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The_Taxman

First like I hope Clinton is when the votes have been counted!

RobD

Second!

Freggles

Third like McMullin

NoEasyDay

Third like TSEs degree.

JackW

Pennsylvania - Muhlenberg/Morning Call - Sample 405 - 30 Oct - 4 Nov

Clinton 48 .. Trump 42

http://www.mcall.com/news/local/elections/mc-pa-poll-trump-clinton-toomey-mcginty-20161105-story.html

ydoethur

Fifth like Comey on a shortlist of three for reappointment.

rcs1000

JackW said:

Pennsylvania - Muhlenberg/Morning Call - Sample 405 - 30 Oct - 4 Nov

Clinton 48 .. Trump 42

http://www.mcall.com/news/local/elections/mc-pa-poll-trump-clinton-toomey-mcginty-20161105-story.html

If that's correct, it's all over.

GIN1138

Looks like Crooked Hillary survives again...

Freggles

Seventh like Labour

williamglenn

Crowds chanting 'Lock her up' right now. Trump: "It's a rigged system and she's protected."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJASTexUOxU

ydoethur

FPT

JosiasJessop said:

Here's an obscure one: I've tried to read CS Lewis's 'The Space Trilogy' before, but not got very far.

Is it worth persevering?

If you found Rolt's Landscape Trilogy turgid, probably not. Similar sort of style and approach especially when it comes to embedded philosophy.

Clinton to take Utah and carry out the first ever public lynching of an ex-FBI director? She's vindictive and she certainly will be plotting her revenge as we speak.

weejonnie

It depends on how vindictive HRC is. JC seems to have done everything 'by the book'. The fact that it was at a politically awkward time should be neither here nor there.

(It also makes a lie of the Rabid Democrat postings that it was rogue FBI trying to influence the elections since in that case JC would have held off until Wednesday).

HYUFD

Thousands of emails reviewed in less than a week. Hmm. A minor boost for Clinton but I doubt it makes virtually any difference, it was still yet another example of her failing to follow proper security procedures and if you disapproved of her email classification measures enough to determine your vote on it, which was probably a small minority anyway, I doubt this changes anything

TheWhiteRabbit

What's the status of early voting in Hew Hampshire?

Blue_rog

Blue_rog said:

tyson said:

AnneJGP said:

tyson said:

john_zims said:

@tyson

'I've just been out to lunch and encountered some UK based publishers. They all said any serious publisher will be looking at moving their operations to the EU in light of Brexit.'


Strange that's what my other half & son ( both with major publishers) do and there has been zero talk about it.

What would be the advantage ?

Online......journals...academic journals.......medical journals.......University attached publishers....for instance Oxford University Press is the largest income generator for the University......

People were even questioning about the use of the English language at European conferences post Brexit.

Really very depressing...but I'm very pleased to hear your son and wife will be OK...

I understand that each member country nominates a language for the official EU business, and since only the UK nominates English, the EU will be obliged to manage without that language once we are no longer a membe
I'm sure they will manage fine - why not?

It is just another step Anne for the UK being parochial.... And why academic and medics and the top brains will choose to go for placements in Europe...

Something that struck me (us) though lunch....is that we (the UK) are sitting in Europe, we have a say on what goes on, we have a veto..it is a huge trading block, the political ramifications affect us in every single way...from security, to everything.... And as the UK we have extra gravitas, our language, our role in the UN etc..... And we have a central role in what is decided...from global warming, to security, to anything....And we've just chucked all of it away...for nothing....


Who in their right minds would choose to move out of that to what? To throw all that influence away with our neighbours for what?

It's not just the publishers that deal with universities....that talent...the brain drain.....Brexit is so utterly depressing on every conceivable level..

But Brexit is Brexit...and the sooner we move to a hard Brexit, and understand how little we are in the grand scheme of things the better for me. Then and only then will people start to understand what we have given up.....

The UK's seat on the UN and Security Council has nothing to do with membership of the EU

weejonnie

(Trump dead-cat bouncing into 5.5 as players see 'value'.)

tyson

I don't blame Comey...he was stuck between a rock and a hard place. I don't think he will resign.

Hopefully this news will provide some healing with GOP once the election is decided next week and they can get back to being political foes, that occasionally try and agree on some things.

GOP need to move on from Trump, the Tea Party and populism.

Anorak

Goddammit. Comey's been got to by the lizards and their MSM shills.

In fact he's probably been replaced by a Clinton-controlled doppelgänger. It's obvious if you look for the signs.

TheWhiteRabbit

rcs1000 said:

JackW said:

Pennsylvania - Muhlenberg/Morning Call - Sample 405 - 30 Oct - 4 Nov

Clinton 48 .. Trump 42

http://www.mcall.com/news/local/elections/mc-pa-poll-trump-clinton-toomey-mcginty-20161105-story.html

If that's correct, it's all over.

My Ardennes comparison my have been slighted, but compare the fates of New Hampshire, with less campaigning, to PA, where there has been lots.

Anorak

HYUFD said:

Thousands of emails reviewed in less than a week. Hmm.

Amazing what you can do with thousands of people, isn't it.

ydoethur

HYUFD said:

Thousands of emails reviewed in less than a week. Hmm. A minor boost for Clinton but I doubt it makes virtually any difference, it was still yet another example of her failing to follow proper security procedures and if you disapproved of her email classification measures enough to determine your vote on it, which was probably a small minority anyway, I doubt this changes anything

The only way it would have made a material difference to the outcome of the election was if she had been arrested, which was not going to happen this week.

It may however encourage GOP voters who were going to abstain rather than vote for Trump to turn out to ensure she faces a hostile Congress, simply because it has given them a brutal reminder of just how incompetent and untrustworthy she is. The old check and balance system may seem suddenly desirable.

MonikerDiCanio

HYUFD said:

Thousands of emails reviewed in less than a week. Hmm. A minor boost for Clinton but I doubt it makes virtually any difference, it was still yet another example of her failing to follow proper security procedures and if you disapproved of her email classification measures enough to determine your vote on it, which was probably a small minority anyway, I doubt this changes anything

Comey's brief letter is of the either your signature or your brains variety.

The_Taxman

I have just noticed this piece in the Daily Telegraph by Farage.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/06/if-donald-trump-doesnt-win-a-third-party-like-ukip-will-emerge-i/

I don't have access to the whole piece but Farage does not understand that the only reason UKIP succeeded was due to Tony Blair bringing in PR for European elections. Farage would still be getting a couple of hundred votes in Dover council elections had PR not been introduced into UK elections. The United States are winner takes all in the massive majority of institution's for which elections are undertaken and so whilst some third party/ independents have succeeded they tend to get strangled at birth because of the FPTP system.

TheScreamingEagles

TheWhiteRabbit said:

rcs1000 said:

JackW said:

Pennsylvania - Muhlenberg/Morning Call - Sample 405 - 30 Oct - 4 Nov

Clinton 48 .. Trump 42

http://www.mcall.com/news/local/elections/mc-pa-poll-trump-clinton-toomey-mcginty-20161105-story.html

If that's correct, it's all over.

My Ardennes comparison my have been slighted, but compare the fates of New Hampshire, with less campaigning, to PA, where there has been lots.

It's funny, the original thread I had scheduled for tonight was along the lines of Comey's intervention last week might have given Trump optimism the way FDR dying gave Hitler hope he might be able to get an honourable peace.

FrancisUrquhart

Anorak said:

Goddammit. Comey's been got to by the lizards and their MSM shills.

In fact he's probably been replaced by a Clinton-controlled doppelgänger. It's obvious if you look for the signs.

Have you been watching Alex Jones again?

Blue_rog

Blue_rog said:

Blue_rog said:

tyson said:

AnneJGP said:

tyson said:

john_zims said:

@tyson

'I've just been out to lunch and encountered some UK based publishers. They all said any serious publisher will be looking at moving their operations to the EU in light of Brexit.'


Strange that's what my other half & son ( both with major publishers) do and there has been zero talk about it.

What would be the advantage ?

Online......journals...academic journals.......medical journals.......University attached publishers....for instance Oxford University Press is the largest income generator for the University......

People were even questioning about the use of the English language at European conferences post Brexit.

Really very depressing...but I'm very pleased to hear your son and wife will be OK...

I understand that each member country nominates a language for the official EU business, and since only the UK nominates English, the EU will be obliged to manage without that language once we are no longer a membe
I'm sure they will manage fine - why not?

It is just another step Anne for the UK being parochial.... And why academic and medics and the top brains will choose to go for placements in Europe...

Something that struck me (us) though lunch....is that we (the UK) are sitting in Europe, we have a say on what goes on, we have a veto..it is a huge trading block, the political ramifications affect us in every single way...from security, to everything.... And as the UK we have extra gravitas, our language, our role in the UN etc..... And we have a central role in what is decided...from global warming, to security, to anything....And we've just chucked all of it away...for nothing....


Who in their right minds would choose to move out of that to what? To throw all that influence away with our neighbours for what?

It's not just the publishers that deal with universities....that talent...the brain drain.....Brexit is so utterly depressing on every conceivable level..

But Brexit is Brexit...and the sooner we move to a hard Brexit, and understand how little we are in the grand scheme of things the better for me. Then and only then will people start to understand what we have given up.....

The UK's seat on the UN and Security Council has nothing to do with membership of the EU

That was a reply to Tyson from the previous thread

MP_SE

I believe the FBI and IRS are investigating the Clinton Foundation. A Clinton presidency will be mired in sleaze from day 1.

NoEasyDay

MonikerDiCanio said:

HYUFD said:

Thousands of emails reviewed in less than a week. Hmm. A minor boost for Clinton but I doubt it makes virtually any difference, it was still yet another example of her failing to follow proper security procedures and if you disapproved of her email classification measures enough to determine your vote on it, which was probably a small minority anyway, I doubt this changes anything

Comey's brief letter is of the either your signature or your brains variety.

This just increases the chances of an impeachment.

chestnut

"Ed's Ground Game"....."Remain have it in the bag".....

Anorak

FrancisUrquhart said:

Anorak said:

Goddammit. Comey's been got to by the lizards and their MSM shills.

In fact he's probably been replaced by a Clinton-controlled doppelgänger. It's obvious if you look for the signs.

Have you been watching Alex Jones again?

If you look at MonikerDiFruitcake's comment, just after after mine, you can see that this isn't a conspiracy, but cold hard fact.

ydoethur

NoEasyDay said:

MonikerDiCanio said:

HYUFD said:

Thousands of emails reviewed in less than a week. Hmm. A minor boost for Clinton but I doubt it makes virtually any difference, it was still yet another example of her failing to follow proper security procedures and if you disapproved of her email classification measures enough to determine your vote on it, which was probably a small minority anyway, I doubt this changes anything

Comey's brief letter is of the either your signature or your brains variety.

This just increases the chances of an impeachment.

A possible vote in the House, yes.

67 votes for conviction in the Senate? You're having a giraffe.

Realistically, unless something demonstrably criminal comes out, which seems unlikely, she can only be removed over this if she suddenly develops a conscience and resigns. The chances of her doing that are approximately the same as my chance of a date with Margot Robbie.

It may be of course if such a case is brought that the stress kills or incapacitates her. But that outcome would for obvious reasons be suboptimal.

TheScreamingEagles

Rudy Giuliani's FBI sources really are a pint of pish.

MarkHopkins

MP_SE said:

I believe the FBI and IRS are investigating the Clinton Foundation. A Clinton presidency will be mired in sleaze from day 1.

Trump losing, then Clinton kicked out, would probably be the best outcome.

AndyJS

There's definitely some value in backing Trump at 6 IMO. He's bound to come in a bit on election night when Kentucky and Indiana are the only states reporting results just after midnight.

GIN1138

chestnut said:

"Ed's Ground Game"....."Remain have it in the bag".....

The only reason a Trump win might (might) have some merit is to see the reaction of PB and CIF on Wednesday morning...

HYUFD

The_Taxman said:

I have just noticed this piece in the Daily Telegraph by Farage.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/06/if-donald-trump-doesnt-win-a-third-party-like-ukip-will-emerge-i/

I don't have access to the whole piece but Farage does not understand that the only reason UKIP succeeded was due to Tony Blair bringing in PR for European elections. Farage would still be getting a couple of hundred votes in Dover council elections had PR not been introduced into UK elections. The United States are winner takes all in the massive majority of institution's for which elections are undertaken and so whilst some third party/ independents have succeeded they tend to get strangled at birth because of the FPTP system.

If he loses though the same populist, anti immigration wing will likely pick the GOP nominee in 2020 ie probably Cruz or maybe Pence

JackW

rcs1000 said:

JackW said:

Pennsylvania - Muhlenberg/Morning Call - Sample 405 - 30 Oct - 4 Nov

Clinton 48 .. Trump 42

http://www.mcall.com/news/local/elections/mc-pa-poll-trump-clinton-toomey-mcginty-20161105-story.html

If that's correct, it's all over.

How very dare you preempt my ARSE before tomorrow morning ....

HYUFD

rcs1000 said:

JackW said:

Pennsylvania - Muhlenberg/Morning Call - Sample 405 - 30 Oct - 4 Nov

Clinton 48 .. Trump 42

http://www.mcall.com/news/local/elections/mc-pa-poll-trump-clinton-toomey-mcginty-20161105-story.html

If that's correct, it's all over.

Not if Trump wins Colorado and Florida, or New Hampshire and Florida

HYUFD

tyson said:

I don't blame Comey...he was stuck between a rock and a hard place. I don't think he will resign.

Hopefully this news will provide some healing with GOP once the election is decided next week and they can get back to being political foes, that occasionally try and agree on some things.

GOP need to move on from Trump, the Tea Party and populism.

Healing? If they lose after this the conspiracy theorists within the GOP will go mad, Hillary may survive a full term but the GOP base will ensure a GOP Congress does not give her an inch from the day after she is inaugrated

tyson

@Blue Rog
I know we have a permanent seat at the UN..but do you not think in matters of security at the EU, the British held extra weight because of our role with the UN?

It defies logic how we could step away from our neighbours and move to pariah status..it really does. No influence on what they do, no veto, no say..no nothing...on our neighbours, our trading partners! We have lost our influence in Europe completely....if we lost an aggressive war, then so be it (the victors dictate the terms)....but to do it in an act of wilful, ignorant self harm is an entirely different matter.

But the die is cast. Brexit is Brexit. We are not going to negotiate a favourable deal, so let's have it quickly rather than endure this death by a thousand cuts.....

Maybe in ten years enough old people will have gone on to better things to change the vote.......

NoEasyDay

ydoethur said:

NoEasyDay said:

MonikerDiCanio said:

HYUFD said:

Thousands of emails reviewed in less than a week. Hmm. A minor boost for Clinton but I doubt it makes virtually any difference, it was still yet another example of her failing to follow proper security procedures and if you disapproved of her email classification measures enough to determine your vote on it, which was probably a small minority anyway, I doubt this changes anything

Comey's brief letter is of the either your signature or your brains variety.

This just increases the chances of an impeachment.

A possible vote in the House, yes.

67 votes for conviction in the Senate? You're having a giraffe.

Realistically, unless something demonstrably criminal comes out, which seems unlikely, she can only be removed over this if she suddenly develops a conscience and resigns. The chances of her doing that are approximately the same as my chance of a date with Margot Robbie.

It may be of course if such a case is brought that the stress kills or incapacitates her. But that outcome would for obvious reasons be suboptimal.

More evidence will emerge. They will have no choice.

Who the feck is Margot Robbie.

Theuniondivvie

Anorak said:

Goddammit. Comey's been got to by the lizards and their MSM shills.

In fact he's probably been replaced by a Clinton-controlled doppelgänger. It's obvious if you look for the signs.

Demonic possession.

FACT!

Scott_P

https://twitter.com/pppolitics/status/795372771945709568

HYUFD

MonikerDiCanio said:

HYUFD said:

Thousands of emails reviewed in less than a week. Hmm. A minor boost for Clinton but I doubt it makes virtually any difference, it was still yet another example of her failing to follow proper security procedures and if you disapproved of her email classification measures enough to determine your vote on it, which was probably a small minority anyway, I doubt this changes anything

Comey's brief letter is of the either your signature or your brains variety.

Yes, those who opposed her on her emails are going to think establishment pressure, in terms of the election it changes virtually nothing, I doubt one Trump voter will switch to Hillary after this news and most Hillary supporters were not swayed by the revelations last week anyway

TheScreamingEagles

Theuniondivvie said:

Anorak said:

Goddammit. Comey's been got to by the lizards and their MSM shills.

In fact he's probably been replaced by a Clinton-controlled doppelgänger. It's obvious if you look for the signs.

Demonic possession.

FACT!

If I were John Roberts, at Hillary's inauguration I wouldn't give her the oath of office but perform an exorcism on her.

NoEasyDay

ydoethur said:

NoEasyDay said:

MonikerDiCanio said:

HYUFD said:

Thousands of emails reviewed in less than a week. Hmm. A minor boost for Clinton but I doubt it makes virtually any difference, it was still yet another example of her failing to follow proper security procedures and if you disapproved of her email classification measures enough to determine your vote on it, which was probably a small minority anyway, I doubt this changes anything

Comey's brief letter is of the either your signature or your brains variety.

This just increases the chances of an impeachment.

A possible vote in the House, yes.

67 votes for conviction in the Senate? You're having a giraffe.

Realistically, unless something demonstrably criminal comes out, which seems unlikely, she can only be removed over this if she suddenly develops a conscience and resigns. The chances of her doing that are approximately the same as my chance of a date with Margot Robbie.

It may be of course if such a case is brought that the stress kills or incapacitates her. But that outcome would for obvious reasons be suboptimal.

Just google Margot.......will fight you for her (-;

OllyT

HYUFD said:

Thousands of emails reviewed in less than a week. Hmm. A minor boost for Clinton but I doubt it makes virtually any difference, it was still yet another example of her failing to follow proper security procedures and if you disapproved of her email classification measures enough to determine your vote on it, which was probably a small minority anyway, I doubt this changes anything

Trump's campaign was on the ropes till the original FBI announcement breathed some life back into it. I think it's wishful thinking that tonight's announcement that there was nothing in them will make "virtually no difference".

HYUFD

ydoethur said:

HYUFD said:

Thousands of emails reviewed in less than a week. Hmm. A minor boost for Clinton but I doubt it makes virtually any difference, it was still yet another example of her failing to follow proper security procedures and if you disapproved of her email classification measures enough to determine your vote on it, which was probably a small minority anyway, I doubt this changes anything

The only way it would have made a material difference to the outcome of the election was if she had been arrested, which was not going to happen this week.

It may however encourage GOP voters who were going to abstain rather than vote for Trump to turn out to ensure she faces a hostile Congress, simply because it has given them a brutal reminder of just how incompetent and untrustworthy she is. The old check and balance system may seem suddenly desirable.

Yes, this 'clearing' of Clinton will enrage the GOP base, they will certainly all be at the polls on Tuesday

Blue_rog

tyson said:

@Blue Rog
I know we have a permanent seat at the UN..but do you not think in matters of security at the EU, the British held extra weight because of our role with the UN?

It defies logic how we could step away from our neighbours and move to pariah status..it really does. No influence on what they do, no veto, no say..no nothing...on our neighbours, our trading partners! We have lost our influence in Europe completely....if we lost an aggressive war, then so be it (the victors dictate the terms)....but to do it in an act of wilful, ignorant self harm is an entirely different matter.

But the die is cast. Brexit is Brexit. We are not going to negotiate a favourable deal, so let's have it quickly rather than endure this death by a thousand cuts.....

Maybe in ten years enough old people will have gone on to better things to change the vote.......

As I understand it, security matters are devolved to the individual states.

DavidL

I think Hillary ends up with 351 or 352. Been saying that for a while but feel more comfortable on it now.

edmundintokyo

Not great news for Hillary, they didn't want this vague story that the voters don't understand back in the news for the last two days, especially if the media decide to balance their report on this thing being bullshit by talking about the next bullshit scandal that hasn't yet been fully investigated and proven to be bullshit.

Malmesbury

tyson said:

@Blue Rog
I know we have a permanent seat at the UN..but do you not think in matters of security at the EU, the British held extra weight because of our role with the UN?

It defies logic how we could step away from our neighbours and move to pariah status..it really does. No influence on what they do, no veto, no say..no nothing...on our neighbours, our trading partners! We have lost our influence in Europe completely....if we lost an aggressive war, then so be it (the victors dictate the terms)....but to do it in an act of wilful, ignorant self harm is an entirely different matter.

But the die is cast. Brexit is Brexit. We are not going to negotiate a favourable deal, so let's have it quickly rather than endure this death by a thousand cuts.....

Maybe in ten years enough old people will have gone on to better things to change the vote.......

Nope - the UK position on the security council is/was completely independent of Europe. In Europe we were largely ignored because of our lack of interest in a Euro army. Our lack of interest was mainly on the grounds that a Euro army would simply be a another layer of generals on top of less and less actual capability...

Charles

NoEasyDay said:

ydoethur said:

NoEasyDay said:

MonikerDiCanio said:

HYUFD said:

Thousands of emails reviewed in less than a week. Hmm. A minor boost for Clinton but I doubt it makes virtually any difference, it was still yet another example of her failing to follow proper security procedures and if you disapproved of her email classification measures enough to determine your vote on it, which was probably a small minority anyway, I doubt this changes anything

Comey's brief letter is of the either your signature or your brains variety.

This just increases the chances of an impeachment.

A possible vote in the House, yes.

67 votes for conviction in the Senate? You're having a giraffe.

Realistically, unless something demonstrably criminal comes out, which seems unlikely, she can only be removed over this if she suddenly develops a conscience and resigns. The chances of her doing that are approximately the same as my chance of a date with Margot Robbie.

It may be of course if such a case is brought that the stress kills or incapacitates her. But that outcome would for obvious reasons be suboptimal.

More evidence will emerge. They will have no choice.

Who the feck is Margot Robbie.

A comely Australian who lives in London.

williamglenn

GIN1138 said:

chestnut said:

"Ed's Ground Game"....."Remain have it in the bag".....

The only reason a Trump win might (might) have some merit is to see the reaction of PB and CIF on Wednesday morning...

Similarly the reaction of Farage to a Clinton victory will be something to savour.

DavidL

Charles said:

NoEasyDay said:

ydoethur said:

NoEasyDay said:

MonikerDiCanio said:

HYUFD said:

Thousands of emails reviewed in less than a week. Hmm. A minor boost for Clinton but I doubt it makes virtually any difference, it was still yet another example of her failing to follow proper security procedures and if you disapproved of her email classification measures enough to determine your vote on it, which was probably a small minority anyway, I doubt this changes anything

Comey's brief letter is of the either your signature or your brains variety.

This just increases the chances of an impeachment.

A possible vote in the House, yes.

67 votes for conviction in the Senate? You're having a giraffe.

Realistically, unless something demonstrably criminal comes out, which seems unlikely, she can only be removed over this if she suddenly develops a conscience and resigns. The chances of her doing that are approximately the same as my chance of a date with Margot Robbie.

It may be of course if such a case is brought that the stress kills or incapacitates her. But that outcome would for obvious reasons be suboptimal.

More evidence will emerge. They will have no choice.

Who the feck is Margot Robbie.

A comely Australian who lives in London.

Not sure that "comely" quite does her justice.

Malmesbury

MonikerDiCanio said:

HYUFD said:

Thousands of emails reviewed in less than a week. Hmm. A minor boost for Clinton but I doubt it makes virtually any difference, it was still yet another example of her failing to follow proper security procedures and if you disapproved of her email classification measures enough to determine your vote on it, which was probably a small minority anyway, I doubt this changes anything

Comey's brief letter is of the either your signature or your brains variety.

Or of the "We investigated for 10 minutes - nothing to see here" version.

I don't foresee the end of the road for clinton for many a year yet....

TheWhiteRabbit

HYUFD said:

rcs1000 said:

JackW said:

Pennsylvania - Muhlenberg/Morning Call - Sample 405 - 30 Oct - 4 Nov

Clinton 48 .. Trump 42

http://www.mcall.com/news/local/elections/mc-pa-poll-trump-clinton-toomey-mcginty-20161105-story.html

If that's correct, it's all over.

Not if Trump wins Colorado and Florida, or New Hampshire and Florida

For the sake of argument, I put Nevada, Colorado, Florida AND New Hampshire (and Ohio which I have as going to vote Trump) in the red column, Trump still loses.

TheScreamingEagles

https://twitter.com/PeterSchiff/status/795374282331353098

Alistair

AndyJS said:

There's definitely some value in backing Trump at 6 IMO. He's bound to come in a bit on election night when Kentucky and Indiana are the only states reporting results just after midnight.

Clinton will be into 1.1 or lower at the off.

Anorak

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/PeterSchiff/status/795374282331353098

Federal Bureau of Democrats? But, but, but I've just read right here that it's good news for Trump??!!

tyson

Blue_rog said:

tyson said:

@Blue Rog
I know we have a permanent seat at the UN..but do you not think in matters of security at the EU, the British held extra weight because of our role with the UN?

It defies logic how we could step away from our neighbours and move to pariah status..it really does. No influence on what they do, no veto, no say..no nothing...on our neighbours, our trading partners! We have lost our influence in Europe completely....if we lost an aggressive war, then so be it (the victors dictate the terms)....but to do it in an act of wilful, ignorant self harm is an entirely different matter.

But the die is cast. Brexit is Brexit. We are not going to negotiate a favourable deal, so let's have it quickly rather than endure this death by a thousand cuts.....

Maybe in ten years enough old people will have gone on to better things to change the vote.......

As I understand it, security matters are devolved to the individual states.

Please...stop being pedantic...it's excruciating having to reply....do you not think the EU discussed maters of security...people/drugs/arms trafficking......

Being out of the EU of course will affect our security and safety...Remain banged on about it over and over again...but that was project fear and all that....


Anyway this conversation is pointless...we are where we are..we are heading for a Hard Brexit, let's have it....... and then hope that sufficient numbers of Brexit voters pass on to higher places, and then we can review it all from a position of weakness

Charles

DavidL said:

Charles said:

NoEasyDay said:

ydoethur said:

NoEasyDay said:

MonikerDiCanio said:

HYUFD said:

Thousands of emails reviewed in less than a week. Hmm. A minor boost for Clinton but I doubt it makes virtually any difference, it was still yet another example of her failing to follow proper security procedures and if you disapproved of her email classification measures enough to determine your vote on it, which was probably a small minority anyway, I doubt this changes anything

Comey's brief letter is of the either your signature or your brains variety.

This just increases the chances of an impeachment.

A possible vote in the House, yes.

67 votes for conviction in the Senate? You're having a giraffe.

Realistically, unless something demonstrably criminal comes out, which seems unlikely, she can only be removed over this if she suddenly develops a conscience and resigns. The chances of her doing that are approximately the same as my chance of a date with Margot Robbie.

It may be of course if such a case is brought that the stress kills or incapacitates her. But that outcome would for obvious reasons be suboptimal.

More evidence will emerge. They will have no choice.

Who the feck is Margot Robbie.

A comely Australian who lives in London.

Not sure that "comely" quite does her justice.

Tastefully understated

Charles

.

TheScreamingEagles

Anorak said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/PeterSchiff/status/795374282331353098

Federal Bureau of Democrats? But, but, but I've just read right here that it's good news for Trump??!!

It's like Cybernattery on speed.

Everything is good for Trump

Theuniondivvie

GIN1138 said:

chestnut said:

"Ed's Ground Game"....."Remain have it in the bag".....

The only reason a Trump win might (might) have some merit is to see the reaction of PB and CIF on Wednesday morning...

Yeah?
You don't think the reaction to a HRC win by the PB pussy grabbers might be worth seeing? Of course in that circumstance I see a large migration to the 'I always said they were both awful candidates' high ground.

GIN1138

williamglenn said:

GIN1138 said:

chestnut said:

"Ed's Ground Game"....."Remain have it in the bag".....

The only reason a Trump win might (might) have some merit is to see the reaction of PB and CIF on Wednesday morning...

Similarly the reaction of Farage to a Clinton victory will be something to savour.

I doubt Farage would really care that much.

He'll have picked up a nice, fat cheque from The Donald for his help and advice these past few weeks you can bet that.

TheScreamingEagles

Bugger, he deleted his tweet

GIN1138

Theuniondivvie said:

GIN1138 said:

chestnut said:

"Ed's Ground Game"....."Remain have it in the bag".....

The only reason a Trump win might (might) have some merit is to see the reaction of PB and CIF on Wednesday morning...

Yeah?
You don't think the reaction to a HRC win by the PB pussy grabbers might be worth seeing? Of course in that circumstance I see a large migration to the 'I always said they were both awful candidates' high ground.

Ms. Plato might not take it too well... Can't think of anybody else who might have a mini-meltdown though...

TheScreamingEagles

https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/795375741793927170

NoEasyDay

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/795375741793927170

Run !

JosiasJessop

ydoethur said:

FPT

JosiasJessop said:

Here's an obscure one: I've tried to read CS Lewis's 'The Space Trilogy' before, but not got very far.

Is it worth persevering?

If you found Rolt's Landscape Trilogy turgid, probably not. Similar sort of style and approach especially when it comes to embedded philosophy.

Clinton to take Utah and carry out the first ever public lynching of an ex-FBI director? She's vindictive and she certainly will be plotting her revenge as we speak.

Thanks. I did indeed say that about Rolt's Trilogy, which was a shame as I've heard so much good of him as a man.

I picked up The Space Trilogy off my to-be-read bookcase and realised that I'd started it but only got to page 11. I can't remember why I stopped.

It'll be fun to see those who were praising Comey last week now lay into him!

TheScreamingEagles

Hillary is on 314-324 on SPIN.

Good place for Mike to be in.

OllyT

HYUFD said:

ydoethur said:

HYUFD said:

Thousands of emails reviewed in less than a week. Hmm. A minor boost for Clinton but I doubt it makes virtually any difference, it was still yet another example of her failing to follow proper security procedures and if you disapproved of her email classification measures enough to determine your vote on it, which was probably a small minority anyway, I doubt this changes anything

The only way it would have made a material difference to the outcome of the election was if she had been arrested, which was not going to happen this week.

It may however encourage GOP voters who were going to abstain rather than vote for Trump to turn out to ensure she faces a hostile Congress, simply because it has given them a brutal reminder of just how incompetent and untrustworthy she is. The old check and balance system may seem suddenly desirable.

Yes, this 'clearing' of Clinton will enrage the GOP base, they will certainly all be at the polls on Tuesday

I see, it's a good think she's been cleared because it will enrage the GOP base.

Let me get this right then, somebody who wouldn't have bothered to vote against her when the FBI announced the investigation was being reopened will now go out and vote because she's been cleared.

The handful of Trump rampers on here are living in fantasy land.

Theuniondivvie

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/795375741793927170

Our gracious host he is.

foxinsoxuk

GIN1138 said:

williamglenn said:

GIN1138 said:

chestnut said:

"Ed's Ground Game"....."Remain have it in the bag".....

The only reason a Trump win might (might) have some merit is to see the reaction of PB and CIF on Wednesday morning...

Similarly the reaction of Farage to a Clinton victory will be something to savour.

I doubt Farage would really care that much.

He'll have picked up a nice, fat cheque from The Donald for his help and advice these past few weeks you can bet that.

Not sure that the Donald is very good at paying his minions...

JackW

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/795375741793927170

Apparently they're on Trump after following @Plato on PB ....

TheScreamingEagles

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/795364021318877188

tyson

Malmesbury said:

tyson said:

@Blue Rog
I know we have a permanent seat at the UN..but do you not think in matters of security at the EU, the British held extra weight because of our role with the UN?

It defies logic how we could step away from our neighbours and move to pariah status..it really does. No influence on what they do, no veto, no say..no nothing...on our neighbours, our trading partners! We have lost our influence in Europe completely....if we lost an aggressive war, then so be it (the victors dictate the terms)....but to do it in an act of wilful, ignorant self harm is an entirely different matter.

But the die is cast. Brexit is Brexit. We are not going to negotiate a favourable deal, so let's have it quickly rather than endure this death by a thousand cuts.....

Maybe in ten years enough old people will have gone on to better things to change the vote.......

Nope - the UK position on the security council is/was completely independent of Europe. In Europe we were largely ignored because of our lack of interest in a Euro army. Our lack of interest was mainly on the grounds that a Euro army would simply be a another layer of generals on top of less and less actual capability...

Jeez..do your not think that Britain (like France and Germany) held some extra weight on the EU? Or that all 27 states were exactly the same.

I tell you discussing anything with Brexit ideologues is like talking to a 5 year old child, or a dog for the sense you get out of them. At least children and dogs are loveable instead of repulsive, repellant, creatures

But, as I have said, Brexit is Brexit,,,,so let's get on with it and see how it goes

NoEasyDay

MyBurningEars said:

Meh. Not keen to contaminate a US thread with this, but FPT

TOPPING said:

No way. For years if not decades, every government will blame Brexit for anything that goes wrong in any policy sphere.

Far from making UK politicians accountable to themselves, Brexit is, rather, the ultimate get out of jail card.

On the one hand this is clearly true - in 30 years' time, Brexit is going to be "to blame" for a heck of a lot of stuff, to quite varying degrees of accuracy. (As someone else has pointed out, it is likely to snatch the role off the late Mrs T, who in turn grabbed it off "the mess Labour left the country in" after their governments of the 1970s. Perhaps a running theme here is that winners get the blame decades on once the losers have been forgotten.)

On t'other ... however the EU evolves in 30 years' time, I find it almost inconceivable that the majority of Brits (albeit this term may by then only refer to the English and the Welsh) will be looking jealously across the Channel, the Irish Sea and possibly Hadrian's Wall, wishing fervently to be part of it. In most scenarios my imagination can conjure, even the ones where the EU or USE or whatsoever it becomes is a far wealthier, happier and more stable place than today, I can't see it developing into the kind of club that Brits feel comfortable being part of.

This may well be a miscalculation on my part. One assumption I've made is that Eurofederalism is unlikely to catch on here, but who can know the political tastes two generations hence? The other is that it seems to me a smoothly-running and democratic Europe will require a significant transition towards federalism with central institutions subject to the will of a pan-continental demos, not international diplomacy between merely national leaders. A powerful treasury enacting substantial inter-state transfers, a more substantial role for the European Parliament, a development of the democratic mandate of the President of the Commission... the momentum behind these ideas may be limited right now, but it's hard to see the EU (in particular the single currency) function in the long term without them, and the direction of travel for the past 30 years has been very clear. If that direction of travel continues, it will become less and less enticing for the UK. If instead an unreformed Europe continues to flail from crisis to crisis, that will hardly make it more attractive.

There will be no EU in five years time.

Anorak

TheScreamingEagles said:

Bugger, he deleted his tweet

Oh. I thought you'd self-censored. Glad to hear that's not the case.

Sunil_Prasannan

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/795375741793927170

They got word that TSE is editing PB this week...

TheScreamingEagles

JackW said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/795375741793927170

Apparently they're on Trump after following @Plato on PB ....

I was going to make a gag about how male prisoners should take a keen interest in your ARSE

ydoethur

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/795375741793927170

Well, if he's talking like Yoda can he use the Force to protect himself?

GIN1138

foxinsoxuk said:

GIN1138 said:

williamglenn said:

GIN1138 said:

chestnut said:

"Ed's Ground Game"....."Remain have it in the bag".....

The only reason a Trump win might (might) have some merit is to see the reaction of PB and CIF on Wednesday morning...

Similarly the reaction of Farage to a Clinton victory will be something to savour.

I doubt Farage would really care that much.

He'll have picked up a nice, fat cheque from The Donald for his help and advice these past few weeks you can bet that.

Not sure that the Donald is very good at paying his minions...

Farage would have got payment and expenses up front. When it comes to money that man has his head screwed on...

Anorak

Sunil_Prasannan said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/795375741793927170

They got word that TSE is editing PB this week...

That was fine, it was when they heard he'd delayed the AV thread again that it all kicked off.

Pulpstar

I've just backed
Clinton£100 @ 1.47 New Hampshire;
Trump £20 @ 6.2 POTUS.

New Hampshire is THE swing state in both @RodCrosby and Nate Silver's analysis.

HYUFD

OllyT said:

HYUFD said:

ydoethur said:

HYUFD said:

Thousands of emails reviewed in less than a week. Hmm. A minor boost for Clinton but I doubt it makes virtually any difference, it was still yet another example of her failing to follow proper security procedures and if you disapproved of her email classification measures enough to determine your vote on it, which was probably a small minority anyway, I doubt this changes anything

The only way it would have made a material difference to the outcome of the election was if she had been arrested, which was not going to happen this week.

It may however encourage GOP voters who were going to abstain rather than vote for Trump to turn out to ensure she faces a hostile Congress, simply because it has given them a brutal reminder of just how incompetent and untrustworthy she is. The old check and balance system may seem suddenly desirable.

Yes, this 'clearing' of Clinton will enrage the GOP base, they will certainly all be at the polls on Tuesday

I see, it's a good think she's been cleared because it will enrage the GOP base.

Let me get this right then, somebody who wouldn't have bothered to vote against her when the FBI announced the investigation was being reopened will now go out and vote because she's been cleared.

The handful of Trump rampers on here are living in fantasy land.

Of course not in most cases but it will add fuel to the fire of the 'conspiracy' theorists and make the base even more determined to vote, while the fact the FBI has not found anything 'criminal' does not excuse the fact sensitive emails were found on Weiner's server

HYUFD

TheWhiteRabbit said:

HYUFD said:

rcs1000 said:

JackW said:

Pennsylvania - Muhlenberg/Morning Call - Sample 405 - 30 Oct - 4 Nov

Clinton 48 .. Trump 42

http://www.mcall.com/news/local/elections/mc-pa-poll-trump-clinton-toomey-mcginty-20161105-story.html

If that's correct, it's all over.

Not if Trump wins Colorado and Florida, or New Hampshire and Florida

For the sake of argument, I put Nevada, Colorado, Florida AND New Hampshire (and Ohio which I have as going to vote Trump) in the red column, Trump still loses.

Not if you add North Carolina, Ohio and Iowa, he then gets to 269 and 270 if you add 1 EC vote from Maine

TheScreamingEagles

Anorak said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/795375741793927170

They got word that TSE is editing PB this week...

That was fine, it was when they heard he'd delayed the AV thread again that it all kicked off.

This is my last 'proper' thread for a few weeks.

TheWhiteRabbit

Pulpstar said:

I've just backed
Clinton£100 @ 1.47 New Hampshire;
Trump £20 @ 6.2 POTUS.

New Hampshire is THE swing state in both @RodCrosby and Nate Silver's analysis.

My wallet is still feeling the result of Rubio coming THIRD in Iowa, yet still "winning", thus ruining my back Rubio in Iowa, lay him for the nomination strategy.

Sunil_Prasannan

TheScreamingEagles said:

Anorak said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/795375741793927170

They got word that TSE is editing PB this week...

That was fine, it was when they heard he'd delayed the AV thread again that it all kicked off.

This is my last 'proper' thread for a few weeks.

PROPER threads for PROPER people!

JosiasJessop

NoEasyDay said:

MyBurningEars said:

Meh. Not keen to contaminate a US thread with this, but FPT

TOPPING said:

No way. For years if not decades, every government will blame Brexit for anything that goes wrong in any policy sphere.

Far from making UK politicians accountable to themselves, Brexit is, rather, the ultimate get out of jail card.

On the one hand this is clearly true - in 30 years' time, Brexit is going to be "to blame" for a heck of a lot of stuff, to quite varying degrees of accuracy. (As someone else has pointed out, it is likely to snatch the role off the late Mrs T, who in turn grabbed it off "the mess Labour left the country in" after their governments of the 1970s. Perhaps a running theme here is that winners get the blame decades on once the losers have been forgotten.)

On t'other ... however the EU evolves in 30 years' time, I find it almost inconceivable that the majority of Brits (albeit this term may by then only refer to the English and the Welsh) will be looking jealously across the Channel, the Irish Sea and possibly Hadrian's Wall, wishing fervently to be part of it. In most scenarios my imagination can conjure, even the ones where the EU or USE or whatsoever it becomes is a far wealthier, happier and more stable place than today, I can't see it developing into the kind of club that Brits feel comfortable being part of.

This may well be a miscalculation on my part. One assumption I've made is that Eurofederalism is unlikely to catch on here, but who can know the political tastes two generations hence? The other is that it seems to me a smoothly-running and democratic Europe will require a significant transition towards federalism with central institutions subject to the will of a pan-continental demos, not international diplomacy between merely national leaders. A powerful treasury enacting substantial inter-state transfers, a more substantial role for the European Parliament, a development of the democratic mandate of the President of the Commission... the momentum behind these ideas may be limited right now, but it's hard to see the EU (in particular the single currency) function in the long term without them, and the direction of travel for the past 30 years has been very clear. If that direction of travel continues, it will become less and less enticing for the UK. If instead an unreformed Europe continues to flail from crisis to crisis, that will hardly make it more attractive.

There will be no EU in five years time.

I am not a betting man normally, but that seems like very easy money. Want a bet on it?

NoEasyDay

TheScreamingEagles said:

Anorak said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/795375741793927170

They got word that TSE is editing PB this week...

That was fine, it was when they heard he'd delayed the AV thread again that it all kicked off.

This is my last 'proper' thread for a few weeks.

Opening the Tattinger now.

Blue_rog

tyson said:

Blue_rog said:

tyson said:

@Blue Rog
I know we have a permanent seat at the UN..but do you not think in matters of security at the EU, the British held extra weight because of our role with the UN?

It defies logic how we could step away from our neighbours and move to pariah status..it really does. No influence on what they do, no veto, no say..no nothing...on our neighbours, our trading partners! We have lost our influence in Europe completely....if we lost an aggressive war, then so be it (the victors dictate the terms)....but to do it in an act of wilful, ignorant self harm is an entirely different matter.

But the die is cast. Brexit is Brexit. We are not going to negotiate a favourable deal, so let's have it quickly rather than endure this death by a thousand cuts.....

Maybe in ten years enough old people will have gone on to better things to change the vote.......

As I understand it, security matters are devolved to the individual states.

Please...stop being pedantic...it's excruciating having to reply....do you not think the EU discussed maters of security...people/drugs/arms trafficking......

Being out of the EU of course will affect our security and safety...Remain banged on about it over and over again...but that was project fear and all that....


Anyway this conversation is pointless...we are where we are..we are heading for a Hard Brexit, let's have it....... and then hope that sufficient numbers of Brexit voters pass on to higher places, and then we can review it all from a position of weakness

I think Interpol existed before the EU

williamglenn

MyBurningEars said:

This may well be a miscalculation on my part. One assumption I've made is that Eurofederalism is unlikely to catch on here, but who can know the political tastes two generations hence?

What assumptions are you making about the trends within the UK itself? It's clear that our current constitution is unsustainable. Perhaps if federalism catches on domestically we might start to see the point of the EU.

rottenborough

Go Hillary!! Increased my exposure the other day for 1.35. Hurrah!

FrancisUrquhart

GIN1138 said:

foxinsoxuk said:

GIN1138 said:

williamglenn said:

GIN1138 said:

chestnut said:

"Ed's Ground Game"....."Remain have it in the bag".....

The only reason a Trump win might (might) have some merit is to see the reaction of PB and CIF on Wednesday morning...

Similarly the reaction of Farage to a Clinton victory will be something to savour.

I doubt Farage would really care that much.

He'll have picked up a nice, fat cheque from The Donald for his help and advice these past few weeks you can bet that.

Not sure that the Donald is very good at paying his minions...

Farage would have got payment and expenses up front. When it comes to money that man has his head screwed on...

4 million in expenses and counting....and with the currency exchange rate he even got a pay rise!

Sunil_Prasannan

Blue_rog said:

tyson said:

Blue_rog said:

tyson said:

@Blue Rog
I know we have a permanent seat at the UN..but do you not think in matters of security at the EU, the British held extra weight because of our role with the UN?

It defies logic how we could step away from our neighbours and move to pariah status..it really does. No influence on what they do, no veto, no say..no nothing...on our neighbours, our trading partners! We have lost our influence in Europe completely....if we lost an aggressive war, then so be it (the victors dictate the terms)....but to do it in an act of wilful, ignorant self harm is an entirely different matter.

But the die is cast. Brexit is Brexit. We are not going to negotiate a favourable deal, so let's have it quickly rather than endure this death by a thousand cuts.....

Maybe in ten years enough old people will have gone on to better things to change the vote.......

As I understand it, security matters are devolved to the individual states.

Please...stop being pedantic...it's excruciating having to reply....do you not think the EU discussed maters of security...people/drugs/arms trafficking......

Being out of the EU of course will affect our security and safety...Remain banged on about it over and over again...but that was project fear and all that....


Anyway this conversation is pointless...we are where we are..we are heading for a Hard Brexit, let's have it....... and then hope that sufficient numbers of Brexit voters pass on to higher places, and then we can review it all from a position of weakness

I think Interpol existed before the EU

The NHS existed before the EU
Pensions existed before the EU
Democracy existed before the EU

tyson

Pulpstar said:

I've just backed
Clinton£100 @ 1.47 New Hampshire;
Trump £20 @ 6.2 POTUS.

New Hampshire is THE swing state in both @RodCrosby and Nate Silver's analysis.

Pulps

Trump is going to drift out...I spent an hour going through the polls and he should be more like 9/1.....Andy JS he's the man...Kentucky and Indiana on election night.. first to call and big Trump wins....and then bam...

Alistair

rottenborough said:

Go Hillary!! Increased my exposure the other day for 1.35. Hurrah!

The cash I put on her at 1.19 doesn't look so silly now.

My average bet on her is @ 1.48