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Was the main reason why the Treasury's forecast of the effects of a Leave vote have already proved to be so wrong, due to the fact that unlike their budget forecasts their referendum forecasts were not made by the OBR? Whereas the OBR approved forecast for Q3 made at the start of 2016, proved to be more accurate than the later Treasury Leave vote forecast.
The OBR may prove to be the wisest decision Osborne ever made.
"In his foreword to the Treasury’s analysis of the short-term effects of a Leave vote – released a month before the referendum – Osborne wrote: “a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession”. There’s no doubt whatsoever that he meant that the economy would enter negative growth immediately after the vote – Table 2.C in the same report predicts growth for this quarter, Q3 2016, of between -0.1 and -1 per cent."0 -
New headline for the Richmond Gazette incoming.MarkSenior said:UKIP not standing in Richmond Park . Unfortunately for Zac they are backing him .
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No, you're having an existential hissy fit and aiming it at me.SouthamObserver said:
Of course you are! All I'm doing is stating the obvious.PlatoSaid said:
You're having a bad day. Really, just stop digging. It says a great deal more about you, than me.SouthamObserver said:
Given your consistent support for xenophobic, racist candidates and parties across the world, it's pretty clear they appeal to you. What puzzles me is why you can't admit it.PlatoSaid said:
Aww - really? I'm a waycist? Shucks. I'm shamed and will now become a Liberal sheep.SouthamObserver said:
As in all elections, you're rooting for the racist. Admit it and set yourself free.PlatoSaid said:
Didn't you vote Remain? I've no idea who'll win. I just think it's a whole lot closer than many liberal PBers hope it is.david_herdson said:
Th two individuals, and various ways to throw your vote away.PlatoSaid said:
snipTheScreamingEagles said:
Some of us are staking real money on this election, you posting nonsense on this subject isn't good.PlatoSaid said:
I used my lying eyes - as have others. Golly. Experts and Cameron chums were wrong. How will I ever cope?TheScreamingEagles said:
So no evidence, The Times also said it was nonsense too, mind you believed the spam email that Clinton received was actually stuff she sent out, so there's no hope.PlatoSaid said:
snipTheScreamingEagles said:
Can you post a link to this green screen stuff?PlatoSaid said:TheWhiteRabbit said:
Because it has been repudiated as nonsense in the past
http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-used-green-screen-to-make-a-fake-crowd-in-nevada/
Agory, Hillary would lose. But she's not up against any of them; she's up against Trump. And for that reason, she'll win.
Seriously? This has to be one of your daftest posts. Evah.
I'm sure Tyson will pile on along with his little HillBullies gang to cast me as some Untouchable.
For a smart guy, you're being so dumb.
EDIT I'm happy to be with Eliot Ness
I'm drinking a beer and scratching my head, whilst laughing.
I'm most amused - do carry on.
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Or possibly a detector of racist morons.Jobabob said:
To quote the great TSE:PlatoSaid said:
Aww - really? I'm a waycist? Shucks. I'm shamed and will now become a Liberal sheep.SouthamObserver said:
As in all elections, you're rooting for the racist. Admit it and set yourself free.PlatoSaid said:
Didn't you vote Remain? I've no idea who'll win. I just think it's a whole lot closer than many liberal PBers hope it is.david_herdson said:
The election is a choice between two individuals, and various ways to throw your vote away.PlatoSaid said:
Aww - DYOR is the perennial, don't try to blame my personal opinion of Hillary appearances for it.TheScreamingEagles said:
Some of us are staking real money on this election, you posting nonsense on this subject isn't good.PlatoSaid said:
I used my lying eyes - as have others. Golly. Experts and Cameron chums were wrong. How will I ever cope?TheScreamingEagles said:
So no evidence, The Times also said it was nonsense too, mind you believed the spam email that Clinton received was actually stuff she sent out, so there's no hope.PlatoSaid said:
And Snopes have been caught out too - I don't believe anyone claiming to fact-check anything from either side. It's become far too partisan. I've watched video with obvious green screening several times and no wide angle. It satisfied me.TheScreamingEagles said:
Can you post a link to this green screen stuff?PlatoSaid said:TheWhiteRabbit said:
Because it has been repudiated as nonsense in the past
http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-used-green-screen-to-make-a-fake-crowd-in-nevada/
Against practically any other GOP candidate from history, Hillary would lose. But she's not up against any of them; she's up against Trump. And for that reason, she'll win.
Seriously? This has to be one of your daftest posts. Evah.
I'm sure Tyson will pile on along with his little HillBullies gang to cast me as some Untouchable.
For a smart guy, you're being so dumb.
"The term waycist is a moron detector."0 -
That is a very nasty smear about Plato.SouthamObserver said:
No, but Plato clearly is.john_zims said:@SouthamObserver
'As in all elections, you're rooting for the racist. Admit it and set yourself free.'
What a pathetic & childish comment,must be the Nissan news or the quarterly growth figures that has upset you.
If I'm not mistaken Plato voted Tory in 2010 & 15 but in your little lefty bubble I guess even Cameron is a racist.
I support wealth redistribution, so why would I be upset by the government paying Nissan to stay in the UK?
Q: Has Hilary made racists statements? The answer is yes. Trump certainly has done the same. They are two awful candidates and in Mrs May we have a better person than those two, although Mrs May is not my choice from the Conservatives!
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OK - in every single election held anywhere in the world if a xenophobe or a racist is standing you lead the cheering for him/her on here.PlatoSaid said:
No, you're having an existential hissy fit and aiming it at me.SouthamObserver said:
Of course you are! All I'm doing is stating the obvious.PlatoSaid said:
You're having a bad day. Really, just stop digging. It says a great deal more about you, than me.SouthamObserver said:
Given your co and parties across can't admit it.PlatoSaid said:
Aww - really? I'm a waycist? Shucks. I'm shamed and will now become a Liberal sheep.SouthamObserver said:
As in all elections, you're rooting for the racist. Admit it and set yourself free.PlatoSaid said:
Didn't you vote Remain? I've no idea who'll win. I just think it's a whole lot closer than many liberal PBers hope it is.david_herdson said:
Th two individuals, and various ways to throw your vote away.PlatoSaid said:
snipTheScreamingEagles said:
Some of us are staking real money on this election, you posting nonsense on this subject isn't good.PlatoSaid said:
I used my lying eyes - as have others. Golly. Experts and Cameron chums were wrong. How will I ever cope?TheScreamingEagles said:
So no evidence, The Times also said it was nonsense too, mind you believed the spam email that Clinton received was actually stuff she sent out, so there's no hope.PlatoSaid said:
snipTheScreamingEagles said:
Can you post a link to this green screen stuff?PlatoSaid said:TheWhiteRabbit said:
Because it has been repudiated as nonsense in the past
http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-used-green-screen-to-make-a-fake-crowd-in-nevada/
Agory, Hillary would lose. But she's not up against any of them; she's up against Trump. And for that reason, she'll win.
Seriously? This has to be one of your daftest posts. Evah.
I'm sure Tyson will pile on along with his little HillBullies gang to cast me as some Untouchable.
For a smart guy, you're being so dumb.
EDIT I'm happy to be with Eliot Ness
I'm drinking a beer and scratching my head, whilst laughing.
I'm most amused - do carry on.
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Not a smear. An evidence-based opinion.TCPoliticalBetting said:
That is a very nasty smear about Plato.SouthamObserver said:
No, but Plato clearly is.john_zims said:@SouthamObserver
'As in all elections, you're rooting for the racist. Admit it and set yourself free.'
What a pathetic & childish comment,must be the Nissan news or the quarterly growth figures that has upset you.
If I'm not mistaken Plato voted Tory in 2010 & 15 but in your little lefty bubble I guess even Cameron is a racist.
I support wealth redistribution, so why would I be upset by the government paying Nissan to stay in the UK?
Q: Has Hilary made racists statements? The answer is yes. Trump certainly has done the same. They are two awful candidates and in Mrs May we have a better person than those two, although Mrs May is not my choice from the Conservatives!
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For some reasons independents tend to vote more-Republican. A comparison with 2012/2008 would be more useful.PlatoSaid said:
The independents seem to be breaking his way, if the latest Fox poll is near the mark.Pulpstar said:A crumb of comfort for Trumpton is that in the 10/10 to vote numbers in PA, he leads 48-47.
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Are UKIP as bad as having Jenny Tong backing the Lib Dem candidate? Does that say anything about the Lib Dem having a person backing them who is so comfortable sitting with anti-semites?MarkSenior said:UKIP not standing in Richmond Park . Unfortunately for Zac they are backing him .
http://order-order.com/2016/10/27/jews-blamed-holocaust-jenny-tonge-event/
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There was a most amusing video spat between Katie Hopkins and a CNN Lady on Twitter earlier - it all got very heated and Katie replied to one patronising statement with 'look honey' - and the CNN lady went bonkers.TCPoliticalBetting said:
That is a very nasty smear about Plato.SouthamObserver said:
No, but Plato clearly is.john_zims said:@SouthamObserver
'As in all elections, you're rooting for the racist. Admit it and set yourself free.'
What a pathetic & childish comment,must be the Nissan news or the quarterly growth figures that has upset you.
If I'm not mistaken Plato voted Tory in 2010 & 15 but in your little lefty bubble I guess even Cameron is a racist.
I support wealth redistribution, so why would I be upset by the government paying Nissan to stay in the UK?
Q: Has Hilary made racists statements? The answer is yes. Trump certainly has done the same. They are two awful candidates and in Mrs May we have a better person than those two, although Mrs May is not my choice from the Conservatives!
She was desperate to call Hopkins a sexist, but she was the wrong gender - it was hilarious. Neither came out of it well - but it was fun viewing.
The whole thing has lost the plot.0 -
Has Plato said she is backing Trump? All I have read (as a part time observer) is that she posts links to views contrary to the predicted Clinton surge. Most others post pro-Clinton polls and stories. Since Clinton has very offensive views (deplorables) and uses terms such as n*ggers, presmably you accuse proClinton posts as racist?SouthamObserver said:
Not a smear. An evidence-based opinion.TCPoliticalBetting said:
That is a very nasty smear about Plato.SouthamObserver said:
No, but Plato clearly is.john_zims said:@SouthamObserver
'As in all elections, you're rooting for the racist. Admit it and set yourself free.'
What a pathetic & childish comment,must be the Nissan news or the quarterly growth figures that has upset you.
If I'm not mistaken Plato voted Tory in 2010 & 15 but in your little lefty bubble I guess even Cameron is a racist.
I support wealth redistribution, so why would I be upset by the government paying Nissan to stay in the UK?
Q: Has Hilary made racists statements? The answer is yes. Trump certainly has done the same. They are two awful candidates and in Mrs May we have a better person than those two, although Mrs May is not my choice from the Conservatives!
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Seriously, you're making an arse of yourself. Just stop - unless you want to continue making my sides ache.SouthamObserver said:
Not a smear. An evidence-based opinion.TCPoliticalBetting said:
That is a very nasty smear about Plato.SouthamObserver said:
No, but Plato clearly is.john_zims said:@SouthamObserver
'As in all elections, you're rooting for the racist. Admit it and set yourself free.'
What a pathetic & childish comment,must be the Nissan news or the quarterly growth figures that has upset you.
If I'm not mistaken Plato voted Tory in 2010 & 15 but in your little lefty bubble I guess even Cameron is a racist.
I support wealth redistribution, so why would I be upset by the government paying Nissan to stay in the UK?
Q: Has Hilary made racists statements? The answer is yes. Trump certainly has done the same. They are two awful candidates and in Mrs May we have a better person than those two, although Mrs May is not my choice from the Conservatives!
You'll be calling me a homophobe next.0 -
This is the problem with localized government: The voters have a hard time keeping track of who's responsible for what, and tend to assume that whoever's in charge of the top level is in charge of the whole thing.619 said:I thought the election apparatus was run by republicans in Texas?
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/7916257987929743360 -
Too long0
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In 2008 Obama won the independents, in 2012 Romney did.TheWhiteRabbit said:
For some reasons independents tend to vote more-Republican. A comparison with 2012/2008 would be more useful.PlatoSaid said:
The independents seem to be breaking his way, if the latest Fox poll is near the mark.Pulpstar said:A crumb of comfort for Trumpton is that in the 10/10 to vote numbers in PA, he leads 48-47.
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2012/11/13/infographic-obama-lost-the-independent-vote-in-almost-every-swing-state0 -
SouthamObserver said:PlatoSaid said:
Ouch! - but so true.david_herdson said:
As in all elections, you're rooting for the racist. Admit it and set yourself free.PlatoSaid said:
Didn't you vote Remain? I've no idea who'll win. I just think it's a whole lot closer than many liberal PBers hope it is.TheScreamingEagles said:
The election is a choice between two individuals, and various ways to throw your vote away.PlatoSaid said:
Aww - DYOR is the perennial, don't try to blame my personal opinion of Hillary appearances for it.TheScreamingEagles said:
Some of us are staking real money on this election, you posting nonsense on this subject isn't good.PlatoSaid said:
I used my lying eyes - as have others. Golly. Experts and Cameron chums were wrong. How will I ever cope?TheScreamingEagles said:
So no evidence, The Times also said it was nonsense too, mind you believed the spam email that Clinton received was actually stuff she sent out, so there's no hope.PlatoSaid said:
And Snopes have been caught out too - I don't believe anyone claiming to fact-check anything from either side. It's become far too partisan. I've watched video with obvious green screening several times and no wide angle. It satisfied me.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Can you post a link to this green screen stuff?justin124 said:
My biggest problem with Hillary polling leads is the DNC + samples. She's supposedly doing better than Obama. It's just not credible. She's terrible rally turnout numbers, green screen fake voter stuff on TV and the rest. He was everywhere and mobbed.619 said:More on Trump losing texas
Kaine rallies are akin to Owen Something - there's no passion here. My disbelief metre is red-lining.
Perhaps a Hillary fan can help me with her policy stance on anything. Trump has a boat load as I posted earlier.
Because it has been repudiated as nonsense in the past
http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-used-green-screen-to-make-a-fake-crowd-in-nevada/
Against practically any other GOP candidate from history, Hillary would lose. But she's not up against any of them; she's up against Trump. And for that reason, she'll win.0 -
In the Batley & Spen by election there were some very unpleasant parties standing - I do not recall Plato backing one of them. So your claim is false and you should withdraw it if a gentleman?SouthamObserver said:
OK - in every single election held anywhere in the world if a xenophobe or a racist is standing you lead the cheering for him/her on here.PlatoSaid said:
No, you're having an existential hissy fit and aiming it at me.SouthamObserver said:
Of course you are! All I'm doing is stating the obvious.PlatoSaid said:
You're having a bad day. Really, just stop digging. It says a great deal more about you, than me.SouthamObserver said:
Given your co and parties across can't admit it.PlatoSaid said:
Aww - really? I'm a waycist? Shucks. I'm shamed and will now become a Liberal sheep.SouthamObserver said:
As in all elections, you're rooting for the racist. Admit it and set yourself free.PlatoSaid said:
Didn't you vote Remain?....david_herdson said:
Th two individuals, and various ways to throw your vote away.PlatoSaid said:
snipTheScreamingEagles said:
Some of us are staking real money on this election, you posting nonsense on this subject isn't good.PlatoSaid said:
I used my lying eyes - as have others. Golly. Experts and Cameron chums were wrong. How will I ever cope?TheScreamingEagles said:
So no evidence, The Times also said it was nonsense too, mind you believed the spam email that Clinton received was actually stuff she sent out, so there's no hope.PlatoSaid said:
snipTheScreamingEagles said:
Can you post a link to this green screen stuff?PlatoSaid said:TheWhiteRabbit said:
Because it has been repudiated as nonsense in the past
http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-used-green-screen-to-make-a-fake-crowd-in-nevada/
Agory, Hillary would lose. But she's not up against any of them; she's up against Trump...
Seriously? This has to be one of your daftest posts. Evah.
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For a smart guy, you're being so dumb.
EDIT I'm happy to be with Eliot Ness
I'm drinking a beer and scratching my head, whilst laughing.
I'm most amused - do carry on.
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DMPlatoSaid said:
There was a most amusing video spat between Katie Hopkins and a CNN Lady on Twitter earlier - it all got very heated and Katie replied to one patronising statement with 'look honey' - and the CNN lady went bonkers.TCPoliticalBetting said:
That is a very nasty smear about Plato.SouthamObserver said:
No, but Plato clearly is.john_zims said:@SouthamObserver
'As in all elections, you're rooting for the racist. Admit it and set yourself free.'
What a pathetic & childish comment,must be the Nissan news or the quarterly growth figures that has upset you.
If I'm not mistaken Plato voted Tory in 2010 & 15 but in your little lefty bubble I guess even Cameron is a racist.
I support wealth redistribution, so why would I be upset by the government paying Nissan to stay in the UK?
Q: Has Hilary made racists statements? The answer is yes. Trump certainly has done the same. They are two awful candidates and in Mrs May we have a better person than those two, although Mrs May is not my choice from the Conservatives!
She was desperate to call Hopkins a sexist, but she was the wrong gender - it was hilarious. Neither came out of it well - but it was fun viewing.
The whole thing has lost the plot.
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I honestly think it's a weird mid-life crisis thing. It's beyond rationale and guys don't have a menopause.TCPoliticalBetting said:
In the Batley & Spen by election there were some very unpleasant parties standing - I do not recall Plato backing one of them. So your claim is false and you should withdraw it if a gentleman?SouthamObserver said:
OK - in every single election held anywhere in the world if a xenophobe or a racist is standing you lead the cheering for him/her on here.PlatoSaid said:
No, you're having an existential hissy fit and aiming it at me.SouthamObserver said:
Of course you are! All I'm doing is stating the obvious.PlatoSaid said:
You're having a bad day. Really, just stop digging. It says a great deal more about you, than me.SouthamObserver said:
Given your co and parties across can't admit it.PlatoSaid said:
....SouthamObserver said:PlatoSaid said:
Didn't you vote Remain?....david_herdson said:
Th two individuals, and various ways to throw your vote away.PlatoSaid said:
snipTheScreamingEagles said:
Some of us are staking real money on this election, you posting nonsense on this subject isn't good.PlatoSaid said:
I used my lying eyes - as have others. Golly. Experts and Cameron chums were wrong. How will I ever cope?TheScreamingEagles said:
So no evidence, The Times also said it was nonsense too, mind you believed the spam email that Clinton received was actually stuff she sent out, so there's no hope.PlatoSaid said:
snipTheScreamingEagles said:
Can you post a link to this green screen stuff?PlatoSaid said:TheWhiteRabbit said:
Because it has been repudiated as nonsense in the past
http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-used-green-screen-to-make-a-fake-crowd-in-nevada/
Agory, Hillary would lose. But she's not up against any of them; she's up against Trump...
For a smart guy, you're being so dumb.
EDIT I'm happy to be with Eliot Ness
I'm drinking a beer and scratching my head, whilst laughing.
I'm most amused - do carry on.0 -
ooh, is there going to be a duel?TCPoliticalBetting said:
In the Batley & Spen by election there were some very unpleasant parties standing - I do not recall Plato backing one of them. So your claim is false and you should withdraw it if a gentleman?0 -
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No , just trying to appeal to his better side.dugarbandier said:
ooh, is there going to be a duel?TCPoliticalBetting said:
In the Batley & Spen by election there were some very unpleasant parties standing - I do not recall Plato backing one of them. So your claim is false and you should withdraw it if a gentleman?
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The growth aspect of the " economic shock " prediction has proved wrong because consumers have kept spending in spectacular fashion. The You Gov numbers down thread suggest why. We were just completely wrong about the immeadiate aspect of that. However the £ Devaluation is already greater than severe shock forecast. And us paying Nissan to stay is a sign of economic shock. We'll see what the inflationary wave that's coming does to consumer spending.TCPoliticalBetting said:Was the main reason why the Treasury's forecast of the effects of a Leave vote have already proved to be so wrong, due to the fact that unlike their budget forecasts their referendum forecasts were not made by the OBR? Whereas the OBR approved forecast for Q3 made at the start of 2016, proved to be more accurate than the later Treasury Leave vote forecast.
The OBR may prove to be the wisest decision Osborne ever made.
"In his foreword to the Treasury’s analysis of the short-term effects of a Leave vote – released a month before the referendum – Osborne wrote: “a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession”. There’s no doubt whatsoever that he meant that the economy would enter negative growth immediately after the vote – Table 2.C in the same report predicts growth for this quarter, Q3 2016, of between -0.1 and -1 per cent."0 -
What about a misogynist?Roger said:PlatoSaid said:
Seriously, you're making an arse of yourself. Just stop - unless you want to continue making my sides ache.SouthamObserver said:
Not a smear. An evidence-based opinion.TCPoliticalBetting said:
That is a very nasty smear about Plato.SouthamObserver said:
No, but Plato clearly is.john_zims said:@SouthamObserver
'As in all elections, you're rooting for the racist. Admit it and set yourself free.'
What a pathetic & childish comment,must be the Nissan news or the quarterly growth figures that has upset you.
If I'm not mistaken Plato voted Tory in 2010 & 15 but in your little lefty bubble I guess even Cameron is a racist.
I support wealth redistribution, so why would I be upset by the government paying Nissan to stay in the UK?
Q: Has Hilary made racists statements? The answer is yes. Trump certainly has done the same. They are two awful candidates and in Mrs May we have a better person than those two, although Mrs May is not my choice from the Conservatives!
You'll be calling me a homophobe next.
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Nothing this end on VanillaTCPoliticalBetting said:
DMPlatoSaid said:
There was a most amusing video spat between Katie Hopkins and a CNN Lady on Twitter earlier - it all got very heated and Katie replied to one patronising statement with 'look honey' - and the CNN lady went bonkers.TCPoliticalBetting said:
That is a very nasty smear about Plato.SouthamObserver said:
No, but Plato clearly is.john_zims said:@SouthamObserver
'As in all elections, you're rooting for the racist. Admit it and set yourself free.'
What a pathetic & childish comment,must be the Nissan news or the quarterly growth figures that has upset you.
If I'm not mistaken Plato voted Tory in 2010 & 15 but in your little lefty bubble I guess even Cameron is a racist.
I support wealth redistribution, so why would I be upset by the government paying Nissan to stay in the UK?
Q: Has Hilary made racists statements? The answer is yes. Trump certainly has done the same. They are two awful candidates and in Mrs May we have a better person than those two, although Mrs May is not my choice from the Conservatives!
She was desperate to call Hopkins a sexist, but she was the wrong gender - it was hilarious. Neither came out of it well - but it was fun viewing.
The whole thing has lost the plot.0 -
Odd how in the USA you "register" as either a Democrat, Republican or Independent voter.TheScreamingEagles said:
In 2008 Obama won the independents, in 2012 Romney did.TheWhiteRabbit said:
For some reasons independents tend to vote more-Republican. A comparison with 2012/2008 would be more useful.PlatoSaid said:
The independents seem to be breaking his way, if the latest Fox poll is near the mark.Pulpstar said:A crumb of comfort for Trumpton is that in the 10/10 to vote numbers in PA, he leads 48-47.
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2012/11/13/infographic-obama-lost-the-independent-vote-in-almost-every-swing-state
Personally I think I'd register as a republican seeing as how their primaries are always much more fun, then vote Democrat anyway.0 -
76.4% of people who deny they are racists are in fact racists - FACT!Chris said:
Or possibly a detector of racist morons.
Actually, I'd guess if you have to spend a disproportionate amount of time denying you're something, there probably is an above average chance that you are that thing.0 -
Just those stages.PlatoSaid said:
I honestly think it's a weird mid-life crisis thing. It's beyond rationale and guys don't have a menopause.TCPoliticalBetting said:
In the Batley & Spen by election there were some very unpleasant parties standing - I do not recall Plato backing one of them. So your claim is false and you should withdraw it if a gentleman?SouthamObserver said:
OK - in every single election held anywhere in the world if a xenophobe or a racist is standing you lead the cheering for him/her on here.PlatoSaid said:
No, you're having an existential hissy fit and aiming it at me.SouthamObserver said:
Of course you are! All I'm doing is stating the obvious.PlatoSaid said:
You're having a bad day. Really, just stop digging. It says a great deal more about you, than me.SouthamObserver said:
Given your co and parties across can't admit it.PlatoSaid said:
....SouthamObserver said:PlatoSaid said:
Didn't you vote Remain?....david_herdson said:
Th two individuals, and various ways to throw your vote away....PlatoSaid said:
snipTheScreamingEagles said:
Some of us are staking real money on this election, you posting nonsense on this subject isn't good.PlatoSaid said:
I used my lying eyes - as have others. Golly. Experts and Cameron chums were wrong. How will I ever cope?TheScreamingEagles said:
So no evidence, The Times also said it was nonsense too, mind you believed the spam email that Clinton received was actually stuff she sent out, so there's no hope.PlatoSaid said:
snipTheScreamingEagles said:
Can you post a link to this green screen stuff?PlatoSaid said:TheWhiteRabbit said:
Because it has been repudiated as nonsense in the past
http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-used-green-screen-to-make-a-fake-crowd-in-nevada/
For a smart guy, you're being so dumb.
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I'm drinking a beer and scratching my head, whilst laughing.
I'm most amused - do carry on.
1. Lose the GE.
2. Lose the Labour leadership to Corbyn (twice)
3. Lose the referendum
It is a lot of losing to bear. Worse than supporting Spurs.
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Similarly I'd register as UKIP here, just for the hilarity.Pulpstar said:
Odd how in the USA you "register" as either a Democrat, Republican or Independent voter.TheScreamingEagles said:
In 2008 Obama won the independents, in 2012 Romney did.TheWhiteRabbit said:
For some reasons independents tend to vote more-Republican. A comparison with 2012/2008 would be more useful.PlatoSaid said:
The independents seem to be breaking his way, if the latest Fox poll is near the mark.Pulpstar said:A crumb of comfort for Trumpton is that in the 10/10 to vote numbers in PA, he leads 48-47.
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2012/11/13/infographic-obama-lost-the-independent-vote-in-almost-every-swing-state
Personally I think I'd register as a republican seeing as how their primaries are always much more fun, then vote Democrat anyway.0 -
Or in this case, the presidential candidate has a hard time doing that.edmundintokyo said:
This is the problem with localized government: The voters have a hard time keeping track of who's responsible for what, and tend to assume that whoever's in charge of the top level is in charge of the whole thing.619 said:I thought the election apparatus was run by republicans in Texas?
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/7916257987929743360 -
I feel free. I have spent far too long not saying what I believe to be true.SeanT said:Have a lie down, Southam.
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I am not sure we want to revisit Plato's reactions to Jo Cox's murder.TCPoliticalBetting said:
In the Batley & Spen by election there were some very unpleasant parties standing - I do not recall Plato backing one of them. So your claim is false and you should withdraw it if a gentleman?SouthamObserver said:
OK - in every single election held anywhere in the world if a xenophobe or a racist is standing you lead the cheering for him/her on here.PlatoSaid said:
No, you're having an existential hissy fit and aiming it at me.SouthamObserver said:
Of course you are! All I'm doing is stating the obvious.PlatoSaid said:
You're having a bad day. Really, just stop digging. It says a great deal more about you, than me.SouthamObserver said:
Given your co and parties across can't admit it.PlatoSaid said:
Aww - really? I'm a waycist? Shucks. I'm shamed and will now become a Liberal sheep.SouthamObserver said:
As in all elections, you're rooting for the racist. Admit it and set yourself free.PlatoSaid said:
Didn't you vote Remain?....david_herdson said:
Th two individuals, and various ways to throw your vote away.PlatoSaid said:
snipTheScreamingEagles said:
Some of us are staking real money on this election, you posting nonsense on this subject isn't good.PlatoSaid said:
I used cope?TheScreamingEagles said:
So no evidence, The Times also said it was nonsense too, mind you believed the spam email that Clinton received was actually stuff she sent out, so there's no hope.PlatoSaid said:
snipTheScreamingEagles said:
Can you post a link to this green screen stuff?PlatoSaid said:TheWhiteRabbit said:
Because it has been repudiated as nonsense in the past
http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-used-green-screen-to-make-a-fake-crowd-in-nevada/
Agory, Hillary would lose. But she's not up against any of them; she's up against Trump...
Seriously? This has to be one of your daftest posts. Evah.
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For a smart guy, you're being so dumb.
EDIT I'm happy to be with Eliot Ness
I'm drinking a beer and scratching my head, whilst laughing.
I'm most amused - do carry on.
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Come and start a political party with me Southam. That's not a euphemism by the way.SouthamObserver said:
I feel free. I have spent far too long not saying what I believe to be true.SeanT said:Have a lie down, Southam.
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Why would I do that?PlatoSaid said:
Seriously, you're making an arse of yourself. Just stop - unless you want to continue making my sides ache.SouthamObserver said:
Not a smear. An evidence-based opinion.TCPoliticalBetting said:
That is a very nasty smear about Plato.SouthamObserver said:
No, but Plato clearly is.john_zims said:@SouthamObserver
'As in all elections, you're rooting for the racist. Admit it and set yourself free.'
What a pathetic & childish comment,must be the Nissan news or the quarterly growth figures that has upset you.
If I'm not mistaken Plato voted Tory in 2010 & 15 but in your little lefty bubble I guess even Cameron is a racist.
I UK?
Q: Has Hilary made racists statements? The answer is yes. Trump certainly has done the same. They are two awful candidates and in Mrs May we have a better person than those two, although Mrs May is not my choice from the Conservatives!
You'll be calling me a homophobe next.
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Or perhaps not so much denying it, as implying that anyone who complains about racism is being babyish. A sign that the users of that term have a lot of growing up to do themselves.Theuniondivvie said:
76.4% of people who deny they are racists are in fact racists - FACT!Chris said:
Or possibly a detector of racist morons.
Actually, I'd guess if you have to spend a disproportionate amount of time denying you're something, there probably is an above average chance that you are that thing.0 -
I am with you brother. We can call it The Pushing the Boulder up the Hill party :-)YellowSubmarine said:
Come and start a political party with me Southam. That's not a euphemism by the way.SouthamObserver said:
I feel free. I have spent far too long not saying what I believe to be true.SeanT said:Have a lie down, Southam.
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Can you score me some Benzos ? After today I want to develop a habit. *Weeps*SeanT said:
Nats like you are constantly accused of being whiny, boring, xenophobic, grievance-mongering titwanks, so clearly you are exactly that.Theuniondivvie said:
76.4% of people who deny they are racists are in fact racists - FACT!Chris said:
Or possibly a detector of racist morons.
Actually, I'd guess if you have to spend a disproportionate amount of time denying you're something, there probably is an above average chance that you are that thing.0 -
And paying to be a full Labour member - coughing up again to be a Supporter and it still thwarted.TCPoliticalBetting said:
Just those stages.PlatoSaid said:
I honestly think it's a weird mid-life crisis thing. It's beyond rationale and guys don't have a menopause.TCPoliticalBetting said:
In the Batley & Spen by election there were some very unpleasant parties standing - I do not recall Plato backing one of them. So your claim is false and you should withdraw it if a gentleman?SouthamObserver said:
OK - in every single election held anywhere in the world if a xenophobe or a racist is standing you lead the cheering for him/her on here.PlatoSaid said:
No, you're having an existential hissy fit and aiming it at me.SouthamObserver said:
Of course you are! All I'm doing is stating the obvious.PlatoSaid said:
You're having a bad day. Really, just stop digging. It says a great deal more about you, than me.SouthamObserver said:
Given your co and parties across can't admit it.PlatoSaid said:
....SouthamObserver said:PlatoSaid said:
Didn't you vote Remain?....david_herdson said:
Th two individuals, and various ways to throw your vote away....PlatoSaid said:
snipTheScreamingEagles said:
Some of us are staking real money on this election, you posting nonsense on this subject isn't good.PlatoSaid said:
I used my lying eyes - as have others. Golly. Experts and Cameron chums were wrong. How will I ever cope?TheScreamingEagles said:
For a smart guy, you're being so dumb.
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I'm drinking a beer and scratching my head, whilst laughing.
I'm most amused - do carry on.
1. Lose the GE.
2. Lose the Labour leadership to Corbyn (twice)
3. Lose the referendum
It is a lot of losing to bear. Worse than supporting Spurs.
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No, just unemployable.PlatoSaid said:
Seriously, you're making an arse of yourself. Just stop - unless you want to continue making my sides ache.SouthamObserver said:
Not a smear. An evidence-based opinion.TCPoliticalBetting said:
That is a very nasty smear about Plato.SouthamObserver said:
No, but Plato clearly is.john_zims said:@SouthamObserver
'As in all elections, you're rooting for the racist. Admit it and set yourself free.'
What a pathetic & childish comment,must be the Nissan news or the quarterly growth figures that has upset you.
If I'm not mistaken Plato voted Tory in 2010 & 15 but in your little lefty bubble I guess even Cameron is a racist.
I support wealth redistribution, so why would I be upset by the government paying Nissan to stay in the UK?
Q: Has Hilary made racists statements? The answer is yes. Trump certainly has done the same. They are two awful candidates and in Mrs May we have a better person than those two, although Mrs May is not my choice from the Conservatives!
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Plato/Southam, can we consider the spat closed? I was having a very pleasant day what with the GDP figures and Nissan news.
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The inflationary wave depends upon how long the £ stays down below a level of USA1.30. If it recovers above that the inflation will be marginal.YellowSubmarine said:
The growth aspect of the " economic shock " prediction has proved wrong because consumers have kept spending in spectacular fashion. The You Gov numbers down thread suggest why. We were just completely wrong about the immeadiate aspect of that. However the £ Devaluation is already greater than severe shock forecast. And us paying Nissan to stay is a sign of economic shock. We'll see what the inflationary wave that's coming does to consumer spending.TCPoliticalBetting said:Was the main reason why the Treasury's forecast of the effects of a Leave vote have already proved to be so wrong, due to the fact that unlike their budget forecasts their referendum forecasts were not made by the OBR? Whereas the OBR approved forecast for Q3 made at the start of 2016, proved to be more accurate than the later Treasury Leave vote forecast.
The OBR may prove to be the wisest decision Osborne ever made.
"In his foreword to the Treasury’s analysis of the short-term effects of a Leave vote – released a month before the referendum – Osborne wrote: “a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession”. There’s no doubt whatsoever that he meant that the economy would enter negative growth immediately after the vote – Table 2.C in the same report predicts growth for this quarter, Q3 2016, of between -0.1 and -1 per cent."
On your point about consumer confidence, that is a surprise when set against the backdrop of being blitzed via the main theme in the broadcast media (BBC/ITV/C4/SKY) line of an economic slump.
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Agreed.TCPoliticalBetting said:
The inflationary wave depends upon how long the £ stays down below a level of USA1.30. If it recovers above that the inflation will be marginal.YellowSubmarine said:
The growth aspect of the " economic shock " prediction has proved wrong because consumers have kept spending in spectacular fashion. The You Gov numbers down thread suggest why. We were just completely wrong about the immeadiate aspect of that. However the £ Devaluation is already greater than severe shock forecast. And us paying Nissan to stay is a sign of economic shock. We'll see what the inflationary wave that's coming does to consumer spending.TCPoliticalBetting said:Was the main reason why the Treasury's forecast of the effects of a Leave vote have already proved to be so wrong, due to the fact that unlike their budget forecasts their referendum forecasts were not made by the OBR? Whereas the OBR approved forecast for Q3 made at the start of 2016, proved to be more accurate than the later Treasury Leave vote forecast.
The OBR may prove to be the wisest decision Osborne ever made.
"In his foreword to the Treasury’s analysis of the short-term effects of a Leave vote – released a month before the referendum – Osborne wrote: “a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession”. There’s no doubt whatsoever that he meant that the economy would enter negative growth immediately after the vote – Table 2.C in the same report predicts growth for this quarter, Q3 2016, of between -0.1 and -1 per cent."
On your point about consumer confidence, that is a surprise when set against the backdrop of being blitzed via the main theme in the broadcast media (BBC/ITV/C4/SKY) line of an economic slump.0 -
That I thought it was nonsense sentimentality by people who knew her as someone at work? They weren't her family.SouthamObserver said:
I am not sure we want to revisit Plato's reactions to Jo Cox's murder.TCPoliticalBetting said:SouthamObserver said:
OK - in every single election held anywhere in the world if a xenophobe or a racist is standing you lead the cheering for him/her on here.PlatoSaid said:SouthamObserver said:
Of course you are! All I'm doing is stating the obvious.PlatoSaid said:SouthamObserver said:
Given your co and parties across can't admit it.PlatoSaid said:SouthamObserver said:
As in all elections, you're rooting for the racist. Admit it and set yourself free.PlatoSaid said:
Didn't you vote Remain?....david_herdson said:
Th two individuals, and various ways to throw your vote away.PlatoSaid said:
snipTheScreamingEagles said:
Some of us are staking real money on this election, you posting nonsense on this subject isn't good.PlatoSaid said:
I used cope?TheScreamingEagles said:
So no evidence, The Times also said it was nonsense too, mind you believed the spam email that Clinton received was actually stuff she sent out, so there's no hope.PlatoSaid said:
snipTheScreamingEagles said:
Can you post a link to this green screen stuff?PlatoSaid said:TheWhiteRabbit said:
Because it has been repudiated as nonsense in the past
http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-used-green-screen-to-make-a-fake-crowd-in-nevada/
Agory, Hillary would lose. But she's not up against any of them; she's up against Trump...
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For a smart guy, you're being so dumb.
EDIT I'm happy to be with Eliot Ness
I stand by it entirely. I knew people who dropped dead in meetings and didn't need grief counselling or days off to grieve. It was twaddle then and now.
You accused me of virtue signalling for saying I went back to work the day after my mother died because I did what I thought she'd want. Urgh.
Look at yourself. You'll score a cheap point at any level.0 -
Lol.TCPoliticalBetting said:
Just those stages.
1. Lose the GE.
2. Lose the Labour leadership to Corbyn (twice)
3. Lose the referendum
It is a lot of losing to bear. Worse than supporting Spurs.
Top trolling.
Possibly beats Will Straw when it comes to backing losers.
Must be pretty confusing to be so out of touch with the UK on so many issues.0 -
@TCPoliticalBetting
I honestly think it's a weird mid-life crisis thing. It's beyond rationale and guys don't have a menopause.
Just those stages.
1. Lose the GE.
2. Lose the Labour leadership to Corbyn (twice)
3. Lose the referendum
It is a lot of losing to bear. Worse than supporting Spurs.
To-day's growth figures,the Nissan news & the 400 new jobs in the city were the tipping point.0 -
Not usually all at the same time, but thanks!SeanT said:
Nats like you are constantly accused of being whiny, boring, xenophobic, grievance-mongering titwanks, so clearly you are exactly that.Theuniondivvie said:
76.4% of people who deny they are racists are in fact racists - FACT!Chris said:
Or possibly a detector of racist morons.
Actually, I'd guess if you have to spend a disproportionate amount of time denying you're something, there probably is an above average chance that you are that thing.0 -
The remoaners turning nasty - lol0
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Comments were raised about Rubio doing much better than Trump in the relative opinion polls (in Florida) and it was argued that this was an anti-Trump position.
But Trump WON Florida over Rubio in the primaries.0 -
Or the Sisyphusians for short.SouthamObserver said:... We can call it The Pushing the Boulder up the Hill party :-)
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NEW THREAD
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Oh well.SeanT said:SouthamObserver said:
I feel free. I have spent far too long not saying what I believe to be true.SeanT said:Have a lie down, Southam.
It may be what you believe to be true, it is also boring, offensive, repetitive and largely irrelevant, and makes you sound like some tedious Corbynite with their shrill and Maoist accusations of unsound thinking.
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I caught up on posts earlier and didTykejohnno said:The remoaners turning nasty - lol
at your mirth.
It's most amusing. I've scrolled by 80% of posts arguing partisan stuff for days and yours caught my eye.0 -
@faisalislam: Smart Brexiteers might perhaps ask: "what has the PM and Greg Clark promised to Nissan? What is the impact for customs union/SM exit?"SeanT said:The last couple of days have been unquestionably good for Leavers.
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Just for Nunu
Jared Wyand
Trump cared about blacks even 30 years ago We can put the money into Harlem https://t.co/wpkG9xcSqx
The Wyzer
@WDFx2EU7 But that was when he was a Democrat. Now that he is a Republican, it some how undoes everything good he ever did.0 -
Paul Joseph Watson
Wikileaks Email: Clinton Operative Thinks “Black Voters Are Stupid” - https://t.co/mdp7BiAd3p #PodestaEmails20 https://t.co/ruVBDUye4E0 -
SkyNews
West Midlands Police says a 32-year-old man from Coventry has been arrested at Birmingham Airport on suspicion of funding terrorism0 -
The Daily Caller
POLL: 74 Percent Of Hillary’s Own Supporters Admit The Media’s Totally Biased For Her https://t.co/LZzvRcQwxf https://t.co/Yni9OhjZ0A0 -
He discriminated against a black woman for housing and was birther in chief for five years. Pull the other one.PlatoSaid said:Just for Nunu
Jared Wyand
Trump cared about blacks even 30 years ago We can put the money into Harlem https://t.co/wpkG9xcSqx
The Wyzer
@WDFx2EU7 But that was when he was a Democrat. Now that he is a Republican, it some how undoes everything good he ever did.0 -
Not wishing to get drawn into a private spat, but can I say I agree with you on the grief counselling and going back to work issues. I have lost both parents, a sister and all too many friends and have never felt the need for counselling. Death is part of life, so at the appropriate time raise a glass (or three) to them, treasure the memories you have of them and get on with life. That seems a much healthier attitude than making a big song and dance about someone's death and seeking help to deal with one's feelings.PlatoSaid said:
That I thought it was nonsense sentimentality by people who knew her as someone at work? They weren't her family.
I stand by it entirely. I knew people who dropped dead in meetings and didn't need grief counselling or days off to grieve. It was twaddle then and now.
You accused me of virtue signalling for saying I went back to work the day after my mother died because I did what I thought she'd want. Urgh.
Look at yourself. You'll score a cheap point at any level.0
