1. Mike Pence having been dispatched yesterday to shore up Utah is today off to Omaha to fend off Clinton in NE CD02.
2. Clinton campaign moving resources from Nevada to Arizona as it considers the former is moving comfortably into their column.
With another poll showing him only 3% ahead, Mike should forget Omaha and get down to Texas.
I expect Trump to hold Texas by 5+. That said a visit by a Clinton surrogate will raise an eyebrow.
Pence having to campaign in Utah and Omaha speaks volumes. You don't send your Veep pick and one of your few competent surrogates there unless there's trouble.
"The United States of America, more precisely, the future President of the United States of America, Hillary Clinton, will state an ultimatum. And that ultimatum will be to either change its stance on same-sex marriage or pack its bags and get out of America"
Hillary must have looked long and hard to find a less attractive Veep candidate than herself. Kaine isn't as nice as he looks.
I'm a lifelong atheist - but I do respect others with a faith of whatever variety provided it isn't trying to kill me. The Wikileaks emails disparaging Catholics aka Bigots and Evangelicals aka Weirdos astonished me. That the DNC were attempting to overthrow Catholicism from within with liberal values!??!?! They'd two infiltration organisations attempting to do this and funded them.
It's cultural Marxism even I thought was beyond the pale. Apparently not. It's tentacles are everywhere.
1. Mike Pence having been dispatched yesterday to shore up Utah is today off to Omaha to fend off Clinton in NE CD02.
2. Clinton campaign moving resources from Nevada to Arizona as it considers the former is moving comfortably into their column.
With another poll showing him only 3% ahead, Mike should forget Omaha and get down to Texas.
I expect Trump to hold Texas by 5+. That said a visit by a Clinton surrogate will raise an eyebrow.
Pence having to campaign in Utah and Omaha speaks volumes. You don't send your Veep pick and one of your few competent surrogates there unless there's trouble.
"The United States of America, more precisely, the future President of the United States of America, Hillary Clinton, will state an ultimatum. And that ultimatum will be to either change its stance on same-sex marriage or pack its bags and get out of America"
Hillary Clinton to issue an ultimatum to the Pope and threatening to expel the Catholic Church from the USA? That has to be a spoof, doesn't it?
Allison Pearson In more Brexit Bad News, Dutch bank IMG just created 400 new jobs in... the City of London. Don't they know the exodus is about to start?
So, who is IMG? Other than a sports management group.
I honestly don't take much notice of the polling - I just glance at the internals and mostly laugh at the skewed samples - like Brexit, they're making the news not reflecting it.
You might not "take much notice of the polling" but the Trump campaign sure does, with Pence off to Utah and Omaha and Donald pulling resources from Virginia, Wisconsin, Michigan and Colorado.
1. Mike Pence having been dispatched yesterday to shore up Utah is today off to Omaha to fend off Clinton in NE CD02.
2. Clinton campaign moving resources from Nevada to Arizona as it considers the former is moving comfortably into their column.
With another poll showing him only 3% ahead, Mike should forget Omaha and get down to Texas.
I expect Trump to hold Texas by 5+. That said a visit by a Clinton surrogate will raise an eyebrow.
Pence having to campaign in Utah and Omaha speaks volumes. You don't send your Veep pick and one of your few competent surrogates there unless there's trouble.
"The United States of America, more precisely, the future President of the United States of America, Hillary Clinton, will state an ultimatum. And that ultimatum will be to either change its stance on same-sex marriage or pack its bags and get out of America"
Hillary must have looked long and hard to find a less attractive Veep candidate than herself. Kaine isn't as nice as he looks.
I'm a lifelong atheist - but I do respect others with a faith of whatever variety provided it isn't trying to kill me. The Wikileaks emails disparaging Catholics aka Bigots and Evangelicals aka Weirdos astonished me. That the DNC were attempting to overthrow Catholicism from within with liberal values!??!?! They'd two infiltration organisations attempting to do this and funded them.
It's cultural Marxism even I thought was beyond the pale. Apparently not. It's tentacles are everywhere.
@PlatoSaid - that quote attributed to Tim Kaine is FAKE.
I knew the ~KGB had a big share in Wikileaks, but now you've got me wondering how big the Jesuits' share is!
1. Mike Pence having been dispatched yesterday to shore up Utah is today off to Omaha to fend off Clinton in NE CD02.
2. Clinton campaign moving resources from Nevada to Arizona as it considers the former is moving comfortably into their column.
With another poll showing him only 3% ahead, Mike should forget Omaha and get down to Texas.
I expect Trump to hold Texas by 5+. That said a visit by a Clinton surrogate will raise an eyebrow.
Pence having to campaign in Utah and Omaha speaks volumes. You don't send your Veep pick and one of your few competent surrogates there unless there's trouble.
"The United States of America, more precisely, the future President of the United States of America, Hillary Clinton, will state an ultimatum. And that ultimatum will be to either change its stance on same-sex marriage or pack its bags and get out of America"
Hillary must have looked long and hard to find a less attractive Veep candidate than herself. Kaine isn't as nice as he looks.
I'm a lifelong atheist - but I do respect others with a faith of whatever variety provided it isn't trying to kill me. The Wikileaks emails disparaging Catholics aka Bigots and Evangelicals aka Weirdos astonished me. That the DNC were attempting to overthrow Catholicism from within with liberal values!??!?! They'd two infiltration organisations attempting to do this and funded them.
It's cultural Marxism even I thought was beyond the pale. Apparently not. It's tentacles are everywhere.
@PlatoSaid - that quote attributed to Tim Kaine is FAKE.
I knew the ~KGB had a big share in Wikileaks, but now you've got me wondering how big the Jesuits' share is!
@BBCSimonJack: Nissan conform Qashqai and X-Trail (new) will be built at Sunderland securing 7,000 jobs after "support and assurances" from UK government
We all like a horse race, especially a close one. It is possible to scrape around to find reasons why it might be close but in our hearts we know it won't be. Trump is just unelectable. Labour in particular should look on and reflect. Deeply.
First poll this morning from LA Times has Trump ahead, no poll has Corbyn ahead
I do like your persistence with the least respected poll this cycle.
I respect the poll a lot, their open access data is why people have been able to pick holes with it. They are a paragon of virtue compared to any other pollster.
@BBCSimonJack: Nissan conform Qashqai and X-Trail (new) will be built at Sunderland securing 7,000 jobs after "support and assurances" from UK government
@BBCSimonJack: Nissan conform Qashqai and X-Trail (new) will be built at Sunderland securing 7,000 jobs after "support and assurances" from UK government
I guess Americans are less shy (more brazen) about supporting right wing candidates than the British?
I think there's a few things going on - that resemble the Brexit behaviours.
- Shy Trumpers won't know others who feel the same - despite possibly knowing a few who are equally shy.
- Vocal Trumpers who live in areas where Trumpers are in the majority
- Those who feel their workplace or livelihood could be damaged by saying they'd vote Trump [public sector et al]
- People who don't like Trump per se, but want MAGA rather than Continuity Obama/Hillary
- People who don't vote or haven't for decades and now are - impossible to track
I honestly don't take much notice of the polling - I just glance at the internals and mostly laugh at the skewed samples - like Brexit, they're making the news not reflecting it.
People who haven't voted for decades are not impossible to track. Presumably they haven't been registered for years either and now they have done so.
I honestly don't take much notice of the polling - I just glance at the internals and mostly laugh at the skewed samples - like Brexit, they're making the news not reflecting it.
You might not "take much notice of the polling" but the Trump campaign sure does, with Pence off to Utah and Omaha and Donald pulling resources from Virginia, Wisconsin, Michigan and Colorado.
And there is a yawning gap between nitpicking every poll and watching where you've a problem.
Did you watch the Pence video I posted on FPT - I thought Pence was very good. He's much more suited to that demographic - Trump is too brash even without sex story baggage.
@BBCSimonJack: Nissan conform Qashqai and X-Trail (new) will be built at Sunderland securing 7,000 jobs after "support and assurances" from UK government
Uk government, not Brussels. How refreshing to be back in control.
@BBCSimonJack: Nissan conform Qashqai and X-Trail (new) will be built at Sunderland securing 7,000 jobs after "support and assurances" from UK government
Uk government, not Brussels. How refreshing to be back in control.
Ah the good old days. I hear the new model, the Nissan Allegro. will be built in Sunderland.
We all like a horse race, especially a close one. It is possible to scrape around to find reasons why it might be close but in our hearts we know it won't be. Trump is just unelectable. Labour in particular should look on and reflect. Deeply.
First poll this morning from LA Times has Trump ahead, no poll has Corbyn ahead
I do like your persistence with the least respected poll this cycle.
I respect the poll a lot, their open access data is why people have been able to pick holes with it. They are a paragon of virtue compared to any other pollster.
Maybe respected isn't the right word, but it certianly has massive flaws. ( Weighing the one black Trump voter times 30). It's not something i would pin all my hopes on like the trumpers are. Open access data is a good thing though.
I honestly don't take much notice of the polling - I just glance at the internals and mostly laugh at the skewed samples - like Brexit, they're making the news not reflecting it.
You might not "take much notice of the polling" but the Trump campaign sure does, with Pence off to Utah and Omaha and Donald pulling resources from Virginia, Wisconsin, Michigan and Colorado.
And there is a yawning gap between nitpicking every poll and watching where you've a problem.
Did you watch the Pence video I posted on FPT - I thought Pence was very good. He's much more suited to that demographic - Trump is too brash even without sex story baggage.
I love Utah and SLC.
I agree. Pence would have been a considerable challenge for Clinton. Unfortunately he has found himself defending Trump in the most difficult of circumstances.
Pence has placed himself in a solid position for 2020.
@BBCSimonJack: Nissan conform Qashqai and X-Trail (new) will be built at Sunderland securing 7,000 jobs after "support and assurances" from UK government
Uk government, not Brussels. How refreshing to be back in control.
Ah the good old days. I hear the new model, the Nissan Allegro. will be built in Sunderland.
Looks like Sunderland knew what she was doing in voting for magnificent Brexit. I hear the ad men and corporate lawyers are terribly upset.
@BBCSimonJack: Nissan conform Qashqai and X-Trail (new) will be built at Sunderland securing 7,000 jobs after "support and assurances" from UK government
I honestly don't take much notice of the polling - I just glance at the internals and mostly laugh at the skewed samples - like Brexit, they're making the news not reflecting it.
You might not "take much notice of the polling" but the Trump campaign sure does, with Pence off to Utah and Omaha and Donald pulling resources from Virginia, Wisconsin, Michigan and Colorado.
And there is a yawning gap between nitpicking every poll and watching where you've a problem.
Did you watch the Pence video I posted on FPT - I thought Pence was very good. He's much more suited to that demographic - Trump is too brash even without sex story baggage.
I love Utah and SLC.
I agree. Pence would have been a considerable challenge for Clinton. Unfortunately he has found himself defending Trump in the most difficult of circumstances.
Pence has placed himself in a solid position for 2020.
He's got all the right credentials - son's a Marine, uncle's a cop, comes across as very solid and presidential trustworthy great dad character.
If Trump wins - I expect Pence to be a serious VP - not bored window dressing guy. If Hillary gets it - I've no idea about Kaine. He's made no impression on me bar being irritating.
@BBCPhilipSim: David Mundell being pressed on free movement post-Brexit; he says there is "no intention to stop people coming, completely, from the EU"
Economy booming. Manufacturing assured. Free movement of people
1056 of your 1057 "comments" on here have been one-sided stuff about the US election.
Does this mean you'll be fucking off permanently as soon as its all over?
[crosses fingers]
Unecessary comment.
Would you say the same to @Plato , whose view I disagree with but is of value nevertheless.
PB isn't an echo chamber for one view. PBers are perfectly capable of evaluating competing views without resorting to the immature abuse you opined.
Not unnecessary at all. And no I wouldn't say that to Plato because that would be ridiculous.
Plato has a wide variety of interests, knowledge and life experiences to draw on, shaping her commentary across multiple topics.
619 appears during the life cycle of a single election campaign and comments only on that campaign. If it were a domestic one we'd be assuming a paid astroturfer.
Of course you can see the difference between those two posters and it's rather poor trolling on your part. C- Must Try Harder
The blind-eyeing of the media to Hillary's low profile/green screen speeches is amazing. She did another one with graphics worthy of 80s Dr Who - and no one is pointing them out.
Go on, gives us a link to the crazy rabbit hole of Hilary's green screen CG rallies.
@BBCSimonJack: Nissan conform Qashqai and X-Trail (new) will be built at Sunderland securing 7,000 jobs after "support and assurances" from UK government
That's nice.
Loads of good news this morning!
I've added more bubble bath to my soak in Remoaner tears.
Given the the Nissan Factory and the Honda factory (soon to be one of the Honda Global Manufacturing Centres) were only built here because of government assistance and inducements, what point are you trying to make?
I honestly don't take much notice of the polling - I just glance at the internals and mostly laugh at the skewed samples - like Brexit, they're making the news not reflecting it.
You might not "take much notice of the polling" but the Trump campaign sure does, with Pence off to Utah and Omaha and Donald pulling resources from Virginia, Wisconsin, Michigan and Colorado.
And there is a yawning gap between nitpicking every poll and watching where you've a problem.
Did you watch the Pence video I posted on FPT - I thought Pence was very good. He's much more suited to that demographic - Trump is too brash even without sex story baggage.
I love Utah and SLC.
I agree. Pence would have been a considerable challenge for Clinton. Unfortunately he has found himself defending Trump in the most difficult of circumstances.
Pence has placed himself in a solid position for 2020.
He's got all the right credentials - son's a Marine, uncle's a cop, comes across as very solid and presidential trustworthy great dad character.
If Trump wins - I expect Pence to be a serious VP - not bored window dressing guy. If Hillary gets it - I've no idea about Kaine. He's made no impression on me bar being irritating.
If Trump wins, Pence will be the most important vice-president since, well forever. I can't see Trump bothering with any of the boring day to day stuff, Pence's role will be massive I reckon.
Just returned from three days in Brexit Central (Boston). Lovely weather (even the cabbages are sparkling in the sunshine) and all very cheerful. It's nice to discover that everyone over 25 (unless they're wearing a top hat and monocle) is a Leave voter.
@BBCPhilipSim: David Mundell being pressed on free movement post-Brexit; he says there is "no intention to stop people coming, completely, from the EU"
The key is in the word "completely".
Nobody ever said we didn't want ANY people coming from the EU (or elsewhere) just that we wanted to take back control on who comes and how many.
But you knew that anyway... Keep creating those strawmen.
Given the the Nissan Factory and the Honda factory (soon to be one of the Honda Global Manufacturing Centres) were only built here because of government assistance and inducements, what point are you trying to make?
Inside the EU govt support is good and Brexit govt support is bad ?
@BBCPhilipSim: David Mundell being pressed on free movement post-Brexit; he says there is "no intention to stop people coming, completely, from the EU"
Economy booming. Manufacturing assured. Free movement of people
It's almost like we are members of the EU...
Gove on Sky says there should be principle that all UK immigrants are subject to the same rules regardless of the country they are from.
Andrew Neil ✔ @afneil Case for Bank of England cutting interest rates 2nd time has probably evaporated. Not clear it was necessary they did it post-June 23rd
He was saying "look we've got this covered". Much worse not to have cut, signalled that the BoE was in the slipstream rather than in control, and then any economic shock would have required a catching-up.
The quantum of cut was such that it was neither here nor there, but it said "we're all over this".
Nah, it was a mistake and probably contributed to the fall in sterling. While that is welcome that is not the sort of thing central banks should be encouraging in a time of uncertainty.
But it was a small mistake in the overall scheme of things which will hopefully be reversed quite soon.
In our current global near-zero and negative interest rate environment a small cut in rates sent sterling down by 10%? Not 100% sure that flies. "Contributed to"? Perhaps. Not much though.
It was a signal from the BoE that they saw trouble ahead and were negative on the UK economy as a result of the vote. That is what contributed to the fall. It was the wrong message and the wrong assessment of where we were. But, as I said, it was a small mistake and easily rectified.
I suspect it was an overabundance of caution - heck, he might have even believed Osborn'e Treasury forecasts predicting today's quarterly figure would be between -0.1% and -1.0%......
@BBCSimonJack: Nissan conform Qashqai and X-Trail (new) will be built at Sunderland securing 7,000 jobs after "support and assurances" from UK government
Uk government, not Brussels. How refreshing to be back in control.
Ah the good old days. I hear the new model, the Nissan Allegro. will be built in Sunderland.
Looks like Sunderland knew what she was doing in voting for magnificent Brexit. I hear the ad men and corporate lawyers are terribly upset.
I honestly don't take much notice of the polling - I just glance at the internals and mostly laugh at the skewed samples - like Brexit, they're making the news not reflecting it.
You might not "take much notice of the polling" but the Trump campaign sure does, with Pence off to Utah and Omaha and Donald pulling resources from Virginia, Wisconsin, Michigan and Colorado.
And there is a yawning gap between nitpicking every poll and watching where you've a problem.
Did you watch the Pence video I posted on FPT - I thought Pence was very good. He's much more suited to that demographic - Trump is too brash even without sex story baggage.
I love Utah and SLC.
I agree. Pence would have been a considerable challenge for Clinton. Unfortunately he has found himself defending Trump in the most difficult of circumstances.
Pence has placed himself in a solid position for 2020.
He's got all the right credentials - son's a Marine, uncle's a cop, comes across as very solid and presidential trustworthy great dad character.
If Trump wins - I expect Pence to be a serious VP - not bored window dressing guy. If Hillary gets it - I've no idea about Kaine. He's made no impression on me bar being irritating.
If Trump wins, Pence will be the most important vice-president since, well forever. I can't see Trump bothering with any of the boring day to day stuff, Pence's role will be massive I reckon.
From the first moment I saw Pence - I was WOW. He's got it all - just needed a rocket ship character like Trump to ride on. Trump is like Boris - Pence is the insider who gets things done and reassures the base.
I hope they do it. Pence has taken a leap from business as usual GOP and burned his bridges.
@BBCPhilipSim: David Mundell being pressed on free movement post-Brexit; he says there is "no intention to stop people coming, completely, from the EU"
Economy booming. Manufacturing assured. Free movement of people
It's almost like we are members of the EU...
Gove on Sky says there should be principle that all UK immigrants are subject to the same rules regardless of the country they are from.
the biggest prop ever has been to banking, the industry you still want to subsidise
You mean all those banks and bankers that brought the country to complete ruins in 2008 and rather being allowed to go bust and being put in jail were rewarded by having tax payers money bail them out?
@BBCPhilipSim: David Mundell being pressed on free movement post-Brexit; he says there is "no intention to stop people coming, completely, from the EU"
Economy booming. Manufacturing assured. Free movement of people
It's almost like we are members of the EU...
Gove on Sky says there should be principle that all UK immigrants are subject to the same rules regardless of the country they are from.
Only a racist could disagree with that.
Don't be silly. I disagree with that, and I'm pretty sure I'm not a racist.
I think reciprocal free-movement arrangements with countries that share our values and are economically similar are a wonderful idea. If not for me so much, then certainly for the sake of my children.
Allison Pearson In more Brexit Bad News, Dutch bank IMG just created 400 new jobs in... the City of London. Don't they know the exodus is about to start?
Isn't that news about three weeks old? They are closing their Brussels trading floor, iirc, and sending half the employees to London, and the other half to Amsterdam
Allison Pearson In more Brexit Bad News, Dutch bank IMG just created 400 new jobs in... the City of London. Don't they know the exodus is about to start?
So, who is IMG? Other than a sports management group.
@BBCPhilipSim: David Mundell being pressed on free movement post-Brexit; he says there is "no intention to stop people coming, completely, from the EU"
Economy booming. Manufacturing assured. Free movement of people
It's almost like we are members of the EU...
Gove on Sky says there should be principle that all UK immigrants are subject to the same rules regardless of the country they are from.
@BBCSimonJack: Nissan conform Qashqai and X-Trail (new) will be built at Sunderland securing 7,000 jobs after "support and assurances" from UK government
Uk government, not Brussels. How refreshing to be back in control.
Ah the good old days. I hear the new model, the Nissan Allegro. will be built in Sunderland.
Looks like Sunderland knew what she was doing in voting for magnificent Brexit. I hear the ad men and corporate lawyers are terribly upset.
Just returned from three days in Brexit Central (Boston). Lovely weather (even the cabbages are sparkling in the sunshine) and all very cheerful. It's nice to discover that everyone over 25 (unless they're wearing a top hat and monocle) is a Leave voter.
A new dawn is breaking.
Mr.13, I spent the last two days in and around Lincoln, and had a few beers in Newark whilst waiting for the train (Virgin East Coast, £32.50 each way first class, lovely staff, free food, and as much free booze as I could drink - brilliant). All the people I met, in city, village and airbase, were very cheerful. No idea how they voted though, the subject never came up in conversation.
the biggest prop ever has been to banking, the industry you still want to subsidise
You mean all those banks and bankers that brought the country to complete ruins in 2008 and rather being allowed to go bust and being put in jail were rewarded by having tax payers money bail them out?
Allison Pearson In more Brexit Bad News, Dutch bank IMG just created 400 new jobs in... the City of London. Don't they know the exodus is about to start?
Isn't that news about three weeks old? They are closing their Brussels trading floor, iirc, and sending half the employees to London, and the other half to Amsterdam
I've just spoken to an ING analyst and the news was announced on the 12th of October. Derivatives desks are being moved out of Brussels and Amsterdam, and to London, while commodities trading is being consolidated in Amsterdam. Net net, Brussels will lose jobs, while Amsterdam and London will gain.
@BBCPhilipSim: David Mundell being pressed on free movement post-Brexit; he says there is "no intention to stop people coming, completely, from the EU"
Economy booming. Manufacturing assured. Free movement of people
It's almost like we are members of the EU...
Gove on Sky says there should be principle that all UK immigrants are subject to the same rules regardless of the country they are from.
Only a racist could disagree with that.
I do wonder if its yet dawned on Team Hillary that since her 'deplorables' speech - she's totally destroyed the main shame attack lines. She nuked a whole bunch of -isms in a few minutes, whilst thinking how clever she was.
And the Right are now using the Left's tactics at rallies - something we're entirely unused to. Up to now, the Right were mostly turn-the-other-cheek sorts who didn't play that game. Now the gloves are off and Bill Is A Rapist hecklers turn up to DNC events.
I don't like it from either side - but it must be a shock for Lefties to get a taste of their own medicine for once.
@BBCPhilipSim: David Mundell being pressed on free movement post-Brexit; he says there is "no intention to stop people coming, completely, from the EU"
The key is in the word "completely".
Nobody ever said we didn't want ANY people coming from the EU (or elsewhere) just that we wanted to take back control on who comes and how many.
But you knew that anyway... Keep creating those strawmen.
Usual weasel words from the SNP. Worse than SLab. The same fate awaits them.
@faisalislam: Greg Clark visited Japan to give assurances - deal done on presumption tariffs highly unlikely, either way Nissan won't be worse off
Yup, no problem there, at all.
so having spent 10 months telling us Nissan will definitely close ( despite obvious signs to the contrary ) you're now sulking because they're staying and expanding ?
@BBCPhilipSim: David Mundell being pressed on free movement post-Brexit; he says there is "no intention to stop people coming, completely, from the EU"
Economy booming. Manufacturing assured. Free movement of people
It's almost like we are members of the EU...
Gove on Sky says there should be principle that all UK immigrants are subject to the same rules regardless of the country they are from.
Only a racist could disagree with that.
So we are not going to have any preferential treatment for anyone? No working holiday visas for Australians and New Zealanders?
Allison Pearson In more Brexit Bad News, Dutch bank IMG just created 400 new jobs in... the City of London. Don't they know the exodus is about to start?
So, who is IMG? Other than a sports management group.
IMG is ING?
Yes. Always useful to check your ramping is accurate, though. Otherwise one might think that it's thoughtless, ignorant cut and paste. [and as RCS1000 says, it's hardly new]
@faisalislam: Greg Clark visited Japan to give assurances - deal done on presumption tariffs highly unlikely, either way Nissan won't be worse off
Yup, no problem there, at all.
so having spent 10 months telling us Nissan will definitely close ( despite obvious signs to the contrary ) you're now sulking because they're staying and expanding ?
I'll don't think anyone - not even Scott - would claim that Nissan would leave behind £2bn of invested capital.
@BBCPhilipSim: David Mundell being pressed on free movement post-Brexit; he says there is "no intention to stop people coming, completely, from the EU"
Economy booming. Manufacturing assured. Free movement of people
It's almost like we are members of the EU...
Gove on Sky says there should be principle that all UK immigrants are subject to the same rules regardless of the country they are from.
Only a racist could disagree with that.
I do wonder if its yet dawned on Team Hillary that since her 'deplorables' speech - she's totally destroyed the main shame attack lines. She nuked a whole bunch of -isms in a few minutes, whilst thinking how clever she was.
And the Right are now using the Left's tactics at rallies - something we're entirely unused to. Up to now, the Right were mostly turn-the-other-cheek sorts who didn't play that game. Now the gloves are off and Bill Is A Rapist hecklers turn up to DNC events.
I don't like it from either side - but it must be a shock for Lefties to get a taste of their own medicine for once.
I dunno, Trump being a racist tax cheat who boasts about grabbing women by the pussy without their permission is definitely a message which broke through.
I honestly don't take much notice of the polling - I just glance at the internals and mostly laugh at the skewed samples - like Brexit, they're making the news not reflecting it.
You might not "take much notice of the polling" but the Trump campaign sure does, with Pence off to Utah and Omaha and Donald pulling resources from Virginia, Wisconsin, Michigan and Colorado.
And there is a yawning gap between nitpicking every poll and watching where you've a problem.
Did you watch the Pence video I posted on FPT - I thought Pence was very good. He's much more suited to that demographic - Trump is too brash even without sex story baggage.
I love Utah and SLC.
I agree. Pence would have been a considerable challenge for Clinton. Unfortunately he has found himself defending Trump in the most difficult of circumstances.
Pence has placed himself in a solid position for 2020.
He's got all the right credentials - son's a Marine, uncle's a cop, comes across as very solid and presidential trustworthy great dad character.
If Trump wins - I expect Pence to be a serious VP - not bored window dressing guy. If Hillary gets it - I've no idea about Kaine. He's made no impression on me bar being irritating.
Worth watching the Obama Whitehouse series on BBC2. Pence was always in the background.
@BBCPhilipSim: David Mundell being pressed on free movement post-Brexit; he says there is "no intention to stop people coming, completely, from the EU"
Economy booming. Manufacturing assured. Free movement of people
It's almost like we are members of the EU...
Gove on Sky says there should be principle that all UK immigrants are subject to the same rules regardless of the country they are from.
Only a racist could disagree with that.
Don't be silly. I disagree with that, and I'm pretty sure I'm not a racist.
I think reciprocal free-movement arrangements with countries that share our values and are economically similar are a wonderful idea. If not for me so much, then certainly for the sake of my children.
I am never keen on widespread use of the phrase "our values". That's usually code for your values that you think I should share.
@BBCPhilipSim: David Mundell being pressed on free movement post-Brexit; he says there is "no intention to stop people coming, completely, from the EU"
Economy booming. Manufacturing assured. Free movement of people
It's almost like we are members of the EU...
Gove on Sky says there should be principle that all UK immigrants are subject to the same rules regardless of the country they are from.
Only a racist could disagree with that.
I do wonder if its yet dawned on Team Hillary that since her 'deplorables' speech - she's totally destroyed the main shame attack lines. She nuked a whole bunch of -isms in a few minutes, whilst thinking how clever she was.
And the Right are now using the Left's tactics at rallies - something we're entirely unused to. Up to now, the Right were mostly turn-the-other-cheek sorts who didn't play that game. Now the gloves are off and Bill Is A Rapist hecklers turn up to DNC events.
I don't like it from either side - but it must be a shock for Lefties to get a taste of their own medicine for once.
I dunno, Trump being a racist tax cheat who boasts about grabbing women by the pussy without their permission is definitely a message which broke through.
"No idea how they voted though, the subject never came up in conversation."
I go regularly to visit family as I was born and brought up there. They are predominantly Leave voters but the Remainers have come to terms now and accept it's a done deal.
I've mentioned Stefan Molyneux before on here - he's a little rich for my blood, but makes some excellent polemical points from a Rightist political philosophy POV - and entertaining with it.
He did a video podcast with Jim Hoft of Gateway Pundit yesterday and there's some great GOP observations, uncomfortable truths and fun nuggets in there. He's c500k YouTube subscribers.
In the mayoral election, why did Zac Goldsmith get such a low vote in his own backyard?
By Lester Holloway |
Zac Goldsmith’s bid to become London mayor was memorably described as a “dog whistle campaign in a city with no dogs.” And few places in the capital demonstrate that better than Richmond Park itself.
As the local MP you would have thought his personal vote would make it a walkover. First preference mayoral votes, a good indicator of popularity, in Richmond Park shows that Boris Johnson won his second term in 2012 by a greater share in all but one of the constituency’s eleven wards compared to Zac in 2016.
The differences by ward are Coombe Vale (-3), South Richmond, North Richmond, Mortlake & Barnes (all -4), Ham & Petersham, East Sheen, Kew, Barnes (all -5), Canbury (-6), Coombe Hill (-8), and on the plus side for Zac, Tudor ward (+0.04).
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The chances are the memory of the mayoral campaign is still fresh in the minds of disappointed Richmond Park voters. Equally in this post-Brexit era Goldsmith’s anti-Europe stance will jar even more with constituents in one of the most pro-EU areas in Britain. And with the likelihood that all by-election candidates will oppose the third runway, this contest is shaping up not so much as a referendum on Heathrow as a referendum on Zac Goldsmith.
Just returned from three days in Brexit Central (Boston). Lovely weather (even the cabbages are sparkling in the sunshine) and all very cheerful. It's nice to discover that everyone over 25 (unless they're wearing a top hat and monocle) is a Leave voter.
A new dawn is breaking.
Mr.13, I spent the last two days in and around Lincoln, and had a few beers in Newark whilst waiting for the train (Virgin East Coast, £32.50 each way first class, lovely staff, free food, and as much free booze as I could drink - brilliant). All the people I met, in city, village and airbase, were very cheerful. No idea how they voted though, the subject never came up in conversation.
" free food, and as much free booze as I could drink "
@BBCPhilipSim: David Mundell being pressed on free movement post-Brexit; he says there is "no intention to stop people coming, completely, from the EU"
Economy booming. Manufacturing assured. Free movement of people
It's almost like we are members of the EU...
Gove on Sky says there should be principle that all UK immigrants are subject to the same rules regardless of the country they are from.
Only a racist could disagree with that.
So we are not going to have any preferential treatment for anyone? No working holiday visas for Australians and New Zealanders?
Just returned from three days in Brexit Central (Boston). Lovely weather (even the cabbages are sparkling in the sunshine) and all very cheerful. It's nice to discover that everyone over 25 (unless they're wearing a top hat and monocle) is a Leave voter.
A new dawn is breaking.
Mr.13, I spent the last two days in and around Lincoln, and had a few beers in Newark whilst waiting for the train (Virgin East Coast, £32.50 each way first class, lovely staff, free food, and as much free booze as I could drink - brilliant). All the people I met, in city, village and airbase, were very cheerful. No idea how they voted though, the subject never came up in conversation.
Presumably Mr 13 didn't speak to any EU migrants whilst in Boston.
"having spent 10 months telling us Nissan will definitely close "
You made it up
sorry was it twelve ?
Come on Brookey, don't be ornery, admit it, it is thanks to George Osborne's magnificent stewardship of the economy that has made us so resilient to the Brexit shocks and why Nissan don't want to leave.
Not even Gordon Brown could screw up Osborne's golden legacy.
@BBCPhilipSim: David Mundell being pressed on free movement post-Brexit; he says there is "no intention to stop people coming, completely, from the EU"
Economy booming. Manufacturing assured. Free movement of people
It's almost like we are members of the EU...
Gove on Sky says there should be principle that all UK immigrants are subject to the same rules regardless of the country they are from.
Only a racist could disagree with that.
I do wonder if its yet dawned on Team Hillary that since her 'deplorables' speech - she's totally destroyed the main shame attack lines. She nuked a whole bunch of -isms in a few minutes, whilst thinking how clever she was.
And the Right are now using the Left's tactics at rallies - something we're entirely unused to. Up to now, the Right were mostly turn-the-other-cheek sorts who didn't play that game. Now the gloves are off and Bill Is A Rapist hecklers turn up to DNC events.
I don't like it from either side - but it must be a shock for Lefties to get a taste of their own medicine for once.
I dunno, Trump being a racist tax cheat who boasts about grabbing women by the pussy without their permission is definitely a message which broke through.
Well a racist tax cheat who boasts about grabbing women might have policies that would help the 300 million Americans much better than a sick, demented, woman who spent her time at the Whitehouse in clamping down on Bill Clinton's sexual conquests and doesn't know of the meaning of the word classified.
@BBCPhilipSim: David Mundell being pressed on free movement post-Brexit; he says there is "no intention to stop people coming, completely, from the EU"
Economy booming. Manufacturing assured. Free movement of people
It's almost like we are members of the EU...
Gove on Sky says there should be principle that all UK immigrants are subject to the same rules regardless of the country they are from.
Only a racist could disagree with that.
I do wonder if its yet dawned on Team Hillary that since her 'deplorables' speech - she's totally destroyed the main shame attack lines. She nuked a whole bunch of -isms in a few minutes, whilst thinking how clever she was.
And the Right are now using the Left's tactics at rallies - something we're entirely unused to. Up to now, the Right were mostly turn-the-other-cheek sorts who didn't play that game. Now the gloves are off and Bill Is A Rapist hecklers turn up to DNC events.
I don't like it from either side - but it must be a shock for Lefties to get a taste of their own medicine for once.
I dunno, Trump being a racist tax cheat who boasts about grabbing women by the pussy without their permission is definitely a message which broke through.
I just wonder sometimes what alternate universe Plato lives in
@BBCPhilipSim: David Mundell being pressed on free movement post-Brexit; he says there is "no intention to stop people coming, completely, from the EU"
Economy booming. Manufacturing assured. Free movement of people
It's almost like we are members of the EU...
Gove on Sky says there should be principle that all UK immigrants are subject to the same rules regardless of the country they are from.
Only a racist could disagree with that.
Don't be silly. I disagree with that, and I'm pretty sure I'm not a racist.
I think reciprocal free-movement arrangements with countries that share our values and are economically similar are a wonderful idea. If not for me so much, then certainly for the sake of my children.
I am never keen on widespread use of the phrase "our values". That's usually code for your values that you think I should share.
I know what you mean - and this is not 'purge the impure', SJW value set!
I'll try and lay out what I meant by it - you can let me know which parts (if any) make you uneasy.
I use it as a fairly broad term which covers culture (in general) and legal system (in general). Broad things which have characterised the UK for decades, such as respect for the views and beliefs of others, gender equality, free speech, democracy, free press, a lack of corruption, etc.
It's not meant to be a liberal manifesto, but (to me) describes a generally tolerant and open society. Similar countries don't have to be a total match - I disagree with the US death penalty for example, but would welcome freedom of movement between our countries.
"having spent 10 months telling us Nissan will definitely close "
You made it up
sorry was it twelve ?
Come on Brookey, don't be ornery, admit it, it is thanks to George Osborne's magnificent stewardship of the economy that has made us so resilient to the Brexit shocks and why Nissan don't want to leave.
Not even Gordon Brown could screw up Osborne's golden legacy.
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Also are the growth stats done on the overall economy or a per capita basis.
Does this mean you'll be fucking off permanently as soon as its all over?
[crosses fingers]
'In a couple of years, I'll be dating you'
It's cultural Marxism even I thought was beyond the pale. Apparently not. It's tentacles are everywhere.
I knew the ~KGB had a big share in Wikileaks, but now you've got me wondering how big the Jesuits' share is!
http://www.politisink.com/2011/04/scott-adams-melts-down-all-over-the-internet/
What a guy. <-- ironic
It was this http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2016/10/14/catholic-bishops-and-campaigners-condemn-ugly-and-anti-catholic-emails-between-clinton-team/
Would you say the same to @Plato , whose view I disagree with but is of value nevertheless.
PB isn't an echo chamber for one view. PBers are perfectly capable of evaluating competing views without resorting to the immature abuse you opined.
Did you watch the Pence video I posted on FPT - I thought Pence was very good. He's much more suited to that demographic - Trump is too brash even without sex story baggage.
I love Utah and SLC.
Cos that's NEVER gone wrong before...
Ok, I accept that was a step too far. Sorry.
That awkward moment when Patrick Minford's forecast outperforms the "macroeconomic consensus". Again.
Pence has placed himself in a solid position for 2020.
Loads of good news this morning!
If Trump wins - I expect Pence to be a serious VP - not bored window dressing guy. If Hillary gets it - I've no idea about Kaine. He's made no impression on me bar being irritating.
Economy booming. Manufacturing assured. Free movement of people
It's almost like we are members of the EU...
Plato has a wide variety of interests, knowledge and life experiences to draw on, shaping her commentary across multiple topics.
619 appears during the life cycle of a single election campaign and comments only on that campaign. If it were a domestic one we'd be assuming a paid astroturfer.
Of course you can see the difference between those two posters and it's rather poor trolling on your part. C- Must Try Harder
Just returned from three days in Brexit Central (Boston). Lovely weather (even the cabbages are sparkling in the sunshine) and all very cheerful. It's nice to discover that everyone over 25 (unless they're wearing a top hat and monocle) is a Leave voter.
A new dawn is breaking.
Nobody ever said we didn't want ANY people coming from the EU (or elsewhere) just that we wanted to take back control on who comes and how many.
But you knew that anyway... Keep creating those strawmen.
Gove on Sky says there should be principle that all UK immigrants are subject to the same rules regardless of the country they are from.
the biggest prop ever has been to banking, the industry you still want to subsidise
"I've added more bubble bath to my soak in Remoaner tears."
Cruel but accurate - but only for the bitter few.
I hope they do it. Pence has taken a leap from business as usual GOP and burned his bridges.
I think reciprocal free-movement arrangements with countries that share our values and are economically similar are a wonderful idea. If not for me so much, then certainly for the sake of my children.
Yup, no problem there, at all.
Scott's a big fan of their business model
Clinton 43
Trump 39
Johnson 6
Stein 3
https://t.co/oMNGv4W6oo
And the Right are now using the Left's tactics at rallies - something we're entirely unused to. Up to now, the Right were mostly turn-the-other-cheek sorts who didn't play that game. Now the gloves are off and Bill Is A Rapist hecklers turn up to DNC events.
I don't like it from either side - but it must be a shock for Lefties to get a taste of their own medicine for once.
try reading through what you post some time
one year of endless scaremongering and horse shit
try being a bit more discerning before you post
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/trump-clinton-texas-red-state-230368
"No idea how they voted though, the subject never came up in conversation."
I go regularly to visit family as I was born and brought up there. They are predominantly Leave voters but the Remainers have come to terms now and accept it's a done deal.
He did a video podcast with Jim Hoft of Gateway Pundit yesterday and there's some great GOP observations, uncomfortable truths and fun nuggets in there. He's c500k YouTube subscribers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLv2gV1nbvk
"having spent 10 months telling us Nissan will definitely close "
You made it up
LIBERAL DEMOCRAT VOICE
In the mayoral election, why did Zac Goldsmith get such a low vote in his own backyard?
By Lester Holloway |
Zac Goldsmith’s bid to become London mayor was memorably described as a “dog whistle campaign in a city with no dogs.” And few places in the capital demonstrate that better than Richmond Park itself.
As the local MP you would have thought his personal vote would make it a walkover. First preference mayoral votes, a good indicator of popularity, in Richmond Park shows that Boris Johnson won his second term in 2012 by a greater share in all but one of the constituency’s eleven wards compared to Zac in 2016.
The differences by ward are Coombe Vale (-3), South Richmond, North Richmond, Mortlake & Barnes (all -4), Ham & Petersham, East Sheen, Kew, Barnes (all -5), Canbury (-6), Coombe Hill (-8), and on the plus side for Zac, Tudor ward (+0.04).
...............
The chances are the memory of the mayoral campaign is still fresh in the minds of disappointed Richmond Park voters. Equally in this post-Brexit era Goldsmith’s anti-Europe stance will jar even more with constituents in one of the most pro-EU areas in Britain. And with the likelihood that all by-election candidates will oppose the third runway, this contest is shaping up not so much as a referendum on Heathrow as a referendum on Zac Goldsmith.
http://www.libdemvoice.org/in-the-mayoral-election-why-did-zac-goldsmith-get-such-a-low-vote-in-his-own-backyard-52282.html
Obama will be hitting the campaign Trail hard. Good for Clinton.
That's impressive!! LOL.
One of my nephews in Boston actually voted Remain but we've forgiven him - he's only 24.
Yeh. Totally racist.
Not even Gordon Brown could screw up Osborne's golden legacy.
or
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=sunderland+brexit+nissan&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-ab&gfe_rd=cr&ei=EtcRWOajLcnv8Aeko6qoCg#q=sunderland+brexit+nissan+scott_p+cache:politicalbetting.com+
Another one we can add to the list......
I'll try and lay out what I meant by it - you can let me know which parts (if any) make you uneasy.
I use it as a fairly broad term which covers culture (in general) and legal system (in general). Broad things which have characterised the UK for decades, such as respect for the views and beliefs of others, gender equality, free speech, democracy, free press, a lack of corruption, etc.
It's not meant to be a liberal manifesto, but (to me) describes a generally tolerant and open society. Similar countries don't have to be a total match - I disagree with the US death penalty for example, but would welcome freedom of movement between our countries.