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Anecdotal evidence alert. My daughter, who is a poll clerk today at the polling station in the centre of Witney has had time to work on her college studies for much of the time....

Indigo said:

justin124 said:

rcs1000 said:

Mrs May makes it a vote of confidence. The Labour peers dare not stop a Bill that would result in an absolute massacring of their party in the ensuing general.

Also, remember that even LibDems such as Vince Cable and Paddy Ashdown have said the vote must be respected.

But even in those circumstances May would require Corbyn's co-operation re-the timing of an election. He could still frustrate her plans for at least a few weeks.

Not just that, with the new wording in the FTPA there is no "vote of confidence in the government's policy of X" any more, a vote of confidence is now a stand alone motion, so it's perfectly possible for an opposition to reject the substantive motion X and the pass the confidence motion immediately afterwards.

It's all an irrelevency BECAUSE THE ARTICLE 50 ENABLING BILL WOULD BE PASSED 550 to 100!

rcs1000 said:

Indigo said:

justin124 said:

rcs1000 said:

Mrs May makes it a vote of confidence. The Labour peers dare not stop a Bill that would result in an absolute massacring of their party in the ensuing general.

Also, remember that even LibDems such as Vince Cable and Paddy Ashdown have said the vote must be respected.

But even in those circumstances May would require Corbyn's co-operation re-the timing of an election. He could still frustrate her plans for at least a few weeks.

Not just that, with the new wording in the FTPA there is no "vote of confidence in the government's policy of X" any more, a vote of confidence is now a stand alone motion, so it's perfectly possible for an opposition to reject the substantive motion X and the pass the confidence motion immediately afterwards.

It's all an irrelevency BECAUSE THE ARTICLE 50 ENABLING BILL WOULD BE PASSED 550 to 100!

MPs can be ornery for longer than you can be logical.

Do we know when Witney are counting?

MarkHopkins said:

rcs1000 said:

Indigo said:

justin124 said:

rcs1000 said:

Mrs May makes it a vote of confidence. The Labour peers dare not stop a Bill that would result in an absolute massacring of their party in the ensuing general.

Also, remember that even LibDems such as Vince Cable and Paddy Ashdown have said the vote must be respected.

But even in those circumstances May would require Corbyn's co-operation re-the timing of an election. He could still frustrate her plans for at least a few weeks.

Not just that, with the new wording in the FTPA there is no "vote of confidence in the government's policy of X" any more, a vote of confidence is now a stand alone motion, so it's perfectly possible for an opposition to reject the substantive motion X and the pass the confidence motion immediately afterwards.

It's all an irrelevency BECAUSE THE ARTICLE 50 ENABLING BILL WOULD BE PASSED 550 to 100!

MPs can be ornery for longer than you can be logical.

Really, no.

Firstly, any Conservative that voted against would be deselected.
Secondly, any Party that attempted to subvert the will of their own voters would get massacred.

Time is the enemy of Brexit, not MPs. The longer the gap since the referendum, the more politicians can rationalise not following its instructions.

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Cicero said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Theresa May tells the 27 EU members she will not rubber stamp EU decisions at meetings the UK are not present at.

The arrogance of the 27 who think they can exclude us while we are still full members and paying in have come up against a UK leader who will not be a walk over. Well done Theresa

27 countries defending their collective interests is "arrogance". 1 country trying to lecture the other 27 is plucky Britain standing up for itself... Sheesh, you still don't get the fact that Mrs May is massively mishandling this do you? The appointment of the three Brexiteers has not gone down too well elsewhere and the "Citizen of Nowhere" speech has not gone down too well with a very large number of people in the UK. The City is furious. Billions of Pounds just walked out the door and several million jobs are now at risk as inward investment evaporates. Meanwhile the UK housing market is one step from the abyss, to be followed in short order by another banking crisis. Even the offshore billionaires that control most of the U.K. Press are going to toil to gloss over the earthquake that is coming. Still, good thing you took your country back, hope it goes well.

Their talks a classic remoaner and top notch doom monger.

You lost and the UK will exert it's legal right to take full part in EU decisions upto it's exit and when we stop paying in to Juncker's undemocratic gravy train

Here the triumphant Brexiteers are pictured with Big G from North Wales (who voted Remain):

rcs1000 said:

taffys said:

I said I wouldn't post any more on Potus 2016, but here's one final parting shot...

The last Ohio poll was 45/45. And yet look at the number for 'country's on the wrong track'

60-odd/ 30-odd for the 'wrong track'

Now, in what world to people who want to change the direction of the country vote for Hillary Clinton? she is the continuity candidate to end all continuity candidates. She is Mrs 'as you were'

Just sayin'

That's why the whole debate is about Trump's suitability. That's why Clinton's team has been so brilliant.

People are scared to vote for Donald, even though they want a change, because the Clinton machine has been utterly brilliant, and utterly ruthless.

I have a half-written thread, which I will probably never finish, arguing that Hillary Clinton has been a top drawer candidate. Her campaign has been utterly ruthless, as you say.

ThreeQuidder said:

rcs1000 said:

Indigo said:

justin124 said:

rcs1000 said:

Mrs May makes it a vote of confidence. The Labour peers dare not stop a Bill that would result in an absolute massacring of their party in the ensuing general.

Also, remember that even LibDems such as Vince Cable and Paddy Ashdown have said the vote must be respected.

But even in those circumstances May would require Corbyn's co-operation re-the timing of an election. He could still frustrate her plans for at least a few weeks.

Not just that, with the new wording in the FTPA there is no "vote of confidence in the government's policy of X" any more, a vote of confidence is now a stand alone motion, so it's perfectly possible for an opposition to reject the substantive motion X and the pass the confidence motion immediately afterwards.

It's all an irrelevency BECAUSE THE ARTICLE 50 ENABLING BILL WOULD BE PASSED 550 to 100!

And chucked out by the Lords.

It won't, really.

Because - given the Queen is a Leaver - the PM can always create 100 new Leaver Lords (I'm willing to volunteer) and put through a different This Ones For Real Brexit Bill.

The idea that the Lords will come out against invocation and then cleverly conspire to prevent a General Election is ridiculous.

Time is the enemy of Brexit, because it means that politicians start to forget having heard the voice of the people. And it increases the possibility of events getting in the way,

The Article 50 Enabling Bill can go through the Commons (and the Lords) next week.

SeanT said:

Just been invited to go Mauritius and the Seychelles, in January.

Anyone been to Mauritius, is it nice?

Mauritius is okay. I didn't really enjoy it, but I did love the Seychelles. I won a company prize and went there for ten days all inclusive at a 5* resort. Wonderful.

SeanT said:

Just been invited to go Mauritius and the Seychelles, in January.

Anyone been to Mauritius, is it nice?

Mauritius is well worth a look. Make sure you take a guided walk through he middle of the island. Go see the trees full of fruit bats - and maybe the critically endangered Pink Pigeon. Good dolphin watching too.

ThreeQuidder said:

rcs1000 said:

any Party that attempted to subvert the will of their own voters would get massacred.

That's just as true after A50 as before.

Are you sure? Brexit begins to look messy May gets punished?

Mortimer said:

Do we know when Witney are counting?

Result expected around 2am unless, haha, there are recounts.

Indigo said:

rcs1000 said:

Indigo said:

justin124 said:

rcs1000 said:

Mrs May makes it a vote of confidence. The Labour peers dare not stop a Bill that would result in an absolute massacring of their party in the ensuing general.

Also, remember that even LibDems such as Vince Cable and Paddy Ashdown have said the vote must be respected.

But even in those circumstances May would require Corbyn's co-operation re-the timing of an election. He could still frustrate her plans for at least a few weeks.

Not just that, with the new wording in the FTPA there is no "vote of confidence in the government's policy of X" any more, a vote of confidence is now a stand alone motion, so it's perfectly possible for an opposition to reject the substantive motion X and the pass the confidence motion immediately afterwards.

It's all an irrelevency BECAUSE THE ARTICLE 50 ENABLING BILL WOULD BE PASSED 550 to 100!

BUT NOT BY THE LORDS!

Then the PM will ennoble 150 more Lords and push it through.

MaxPB said:

Indigo said:

rcs1000 said:

Indigo said:

justin124 said:

rcs1000 said:

Mrs May makes it a vote of confidence. The Labour peers dare not stop a Bill that would result in an absolute massacring of their party in the ensuing general.

Also, remember that even LibDems such as Vince Cable and Paddy Ashdown have said the vote must be respected.

But even in those circumstances May would require Corbyn's co-operation re-the timing of an election. He could still frustrate her plans for at least a few weeks.

Not just that, with the new wording in the FTPA there is no "vote of confidence in the government's policy of X" any more, a vote of confidence is now a stand alone motion, so it's perfectly possible for an opposition to reject the substantive motion X and the pass the confidence motion immediately afterwards.

It's all an irrelevency BECAUSE THE ARTICLE 50 ENABLING BILL WOULD BE PASSED 550 to 100!

BUT NOT BY THE LORDS!

Then the PM will ennoble 150 more Lords and push it through.

She'd be better resigning as PM if she were forced by the courts to pass an Act before triggering A50, and was blocked by the Lords from doing so.

Hold an election on upholding the people's wishes against Lab and LD anti-democrats.

If the Lords still played silly afterwards, put forward a bill to abolish it.

david_herdson said:

MaxPB said:

Indigo said:

rcs1000 said:

Indigo said:

justin124 said:

rcs1000 said:

Mrs May makes it a vote of confidence. The Labour peers dare not stop a Bill that would result in an absolute massacring of their party in the ensuing general.

Also, remember that even LibDems such as Vince Cable and Paddy Ashdown have said the vote must be respected.

But even in those circumstances May would require Corbyn's co-operation re-the timing of an election. He could still frustrate her plans for at least a few weeks.

Not just that, with the new wording in the FTPA there is no "vote of confidence in the government's policy of X" any more, a vote of confidence is now a stand alone motion, so it's perfectly possible for an opposition to reject the substantive motion X and the pass the confidence motion immediately afterwards.

It's all an irrelevency BECAUSE THE ARTICLE 50 ENABLING BILL WOULD BE PASSED 550 to 100!

BUT NOT BY THE LORDS!

Then the PM will ennoble 150 more Lords and push it through.

She'd be better resigning as PM if she were forced by the courts to pass an Act before triggering A50, and was blocked by the Lords from doing so.

Hold an election on upholding the people's wishes against Lab and LD anti-democrats.

If the Lords still played silly afterwards, put forward a bill to abolish it.

I know many Leavers are getting jittery, however, as you have said May has plenty of options. The chances of Brexit being scuppered are slim.

AlastairMeeks said:

SeanT said:

rcs1000 said:

SeanT said:

rcs1000 said:

Indigo said:

justin124 said:

rcs1000 said:

Mrs May makes it a vote of confidence. The Labour peers dare not stop a Bill that would result in an absolute massacring of their party in the ensuing general.

Also, remember that even LibDems such as Vince Cable and Paddy Ashdown have said the vote must be respected.

But even in those circumstances May would require Corbyn's co-operation re-the timing of an election. He could still frustrate her plans for at least a few weeks.

It's all an irrelevency BECAUSE THE ARTICLE 50 ENABLING BILL WOULD BE PASSED 550 to 100!

Step away from the gin bottle, Robert

Damn it.

I see stupidity all around.

Cognitive dissonance has set in among my fellow Leavers. They honestly think a vote would be lost.

It would not. Name one MP in a Leave voting area that would vote against the Article 50 Enabling Bill? Oh wait, there are none. Even Paddy and Vince say "accept the result". 99% of Conservatives and the vast bulk of non-Conservatives (except perhaps the SNP) would accept the views of the people.

Not getting it through the Commons now is a monumental mistake that may come back to haunt this government and the whole Brexit cause.

Uhm, no, I just don't see the urgency for a vote. I really don't believe Brexit can be reversed in any likely scenario.

@rcs1000 is right about the dynamics. Already we see the public abandoning the idea of prioritising ending freedom of movement over the single market (though the referendum was won off the back of shutting the borders to nasty foreigners) and believing that Brexit will make them poorer. It's easy to see how that could quite quickly develop into a firm public view that after all Brexit shouldn't happen, especially if the economic weather gets stormier. From a Leaver viewpoint, the Rubicon needs to be crossed early.

Of course, Mrs May supported Remain so perhaps she doesn't have the Leave campaign's best interests at heart. Or maybe she is just a poor strategist. Hard to tell really.

After Hammond's very sensible remarks about migration yesterday, he's been slapped down by May.

Iain Martin is not impressed.

http://reaction.life/number-10-trying-chancellor/?sf

Andrew Lilico, Leaver economist, is also aghast:
"The UK govt's managing of its PR with EU voters seems inept so far. We shld be smothering our partners, their firms & their citizens in love."

SeanT said:

Just been invited to go Mauritius and the Seychelles, in January.

Anyone been to Mauritius, is it nice?

Fuck. Off. You. Smug. Git*.

*Yes, for honeymoon in December. Quite beautiful.

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Cicero said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Theresa May tells the 27 EU members she will not rubber stamp EU decisions at meetings the UK are not present at.

The arrogance of the 27 who think they can exclude us while we are still full members and paying in have come up against a UK leader who will not be a walk over. Well done Theresa

27 countries defending their collective interests is "arrogance". 1 country trying to lecture the other 27 is plucky Britain standing up for itself... Sheesh, you still don't get the fact that Mrs May is massively mishandling this do you? The appointment of the three Brexiteers has not gone down too well elsewhere and the "Citizen of Nowhere" speech has not gone down too well with a very large number of people in the UK. The City is furious. Billions of Pounds just walked out the door and several million jobs are now at risk as inward investment evaporates. Meanwhile the UK housing market is one step from the abyss, to be followed in short order by another banking crisis. Even the offshore billionaires that control most of the U.K. Press are going to toil to gloss over the earthquake that is coming. Still, good thing you took your country back, hope it goes well.

Their talks a classic remoaner and top notch doom monger.

You lost and the UK will exert it's legal right to take full part in EU decisions upto it's exit and when we stop paying in to Juncker's undemocratic gravy train

Not sure I need to take a lecture from someone who confuses "their" with "there". However let me humour you. Not great tactics to continually insult the side you are going to have to negotiate with- and that is exactly what is happening now. The 27 will take ever less notice of the U.K.- in their own natonal interests. Even our former friends, like Sweden or Estonia are aligning away from the UK. People on this side of the channel do read the Express, Mail et al, and the basic assumption is that the UK has lost it. If Brexit really does mean a Hard Brexit, then the UK is in deep trouble. The U.K. Risk premium has just been permanently repriced: Sterling down and Interest rates up, with inbound investment down for the foreseeable future. Not, I am afraid doom mongering, but description. So, keep taking your brief from the Mail and "the rise of a new Britain" by all means, but I suspect that with Scotland restive, and the economy overall in the toilet, that a whole load of people will be rowing back from Brexit triumphalism as fast as they can.

Can the Lords reject the result of a debate in the Commons? It was in the Conservative Manifesto to hold a referendum and honour the result, and under the Salisbury Convention they are not supposed to reject measures in manifestos passed by the Commons.

Fishing said:

Can the Lords reject the result of a debate in the Commons? It was in the Conservative Manifesto to hold a referendum and honour the result, and under the Salisbury Convention they are not supposed to reject measures in manifestos passed by the Commons.

Can they? Yes. The Lib Dems have explicitly disavowed the Salisbury Convention, which remains just a convention.


Would they? I can't imagine so in practice.

Tories out to 1.06... Either this is the best quick return ever or I'm going to feel very stupid soon...

Cicero said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Cicero said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Theresa May tells the 27 EU members she will not rubber stamp EU decisions at meetings the UK are not present at.

The arrogance of the 27 who think they can exclude us while we are still full members and paying in have come up against a UK leader who will not be a walk over. Well done Theresa

27 countries defending their collective interests is "arrogance". 1 country trying to lecture the other 27 is plucky Britain standing up for itself... Sheesh, you still don't get the fact that Mrs May is massively mishandling this do you? The appointment of the three Brexiteers has not gone down too well elsewhere and the "Citizen of Nowhere" speech has not gone down too well with a very large number of people in the UK. The City is furious. Billions of Pounds just walked out the door and several million jobs are now at risk as inward investment evaporates. Meanwhile the UK housing market is one step from the abyss, to be followed in short order by another banking crisis. Even the offshore billionaires that control most of the U.K. Press are going to toil to gloss over the earthquake that is coming. Still, good thing you took your country back, hope it goes well.

Their talks a classic remoaner and top notch doom monger.

You lost and the UK will exert it's legal right to take full part in EU decisions upto it's exit and when we stop paying in to Juncker's undemocratic gravy train

Not sure I need to take a lecture from someone who confuses "their" with "there". However let me humour you. Not great tactics to continually insult the side you are going to have to negotiate with- and that is exactly what is happening now. The 27 will take ever less notice of the U.K.- in their own natonal interests. Even our former friends, like Sweden or Estonia are aligning away from the UK. People on this side of the channel do read the Express, Mail et al, and the basic assumption is that the UK has lost it. If Brexit really does mean a Hard Brexit, then the UK is in deep trouble. The U.K. Risk premium has just been permanently repriced: Sterling down and Interest rates up, with inbound investment down for the foreseeable future. Not, I am afraid doom mongering, but description. So, keep taking your brief from the Mail and "the rise of a new Britain" by all means, but I suspect that with Scotland restive, and the economy overall in the toilet, that a whole load of people will be rowing back from Brexit triumphalism as fast as they can.

The EU is failing and it cannot just ignore the UK if it is inconvenient. We will be heard and will not be intimidated by unelected officials and remainer's who simply want to subvert the will of the people.

Furthermore your response is demeaning and unnecessary

MP_SE said:

Pulpstar said:

Any word from Witney ?

Safe Tory hold.

I kind of miss the last couple of by-elections. Newark, Clacton and Rochester were quite interesting to follow. Doubt we will have similar excitement for a while.

It will be announced that there is a recount. Mad panic at PB.com.
Then it will turn out that a candidate was just short of losing their deposit.

El_Capitano said:

Mortimer said:

Do we know when Witney are counting?

Result expected around 2am unless, haha, there are recounts.

El_Capitano said:

Mortimer said:

Do we know when Witney are counting?

Result expected around 2am unless, haha, there are recounts.

El_Capitano said:

Mortimer said:

Do we know when Witney are counting?

Result expected around 2am unless, haha, there are recounts.

Thank you! I'm about to eat, sadly unaccompanied, at my favourite chef's new London gaff after looking at some of the most beautiful books currently for sale on Europe at 2 Temple Place. Think I might wait up for the result.

taffys said:

''So, keep taking your brief from the Mail and "the rise of a new Britain" by all means, but I suspect that with Scotland restive, and the economy overall in the toilet, that a whole load of people will be rowing back from Brexit triumphalism as fast as they can.''

Must be great to live in Europe. Are you in one of those parts where youth unemployment is close to 50%? Or in one where the banking system has essentially collapsed? Or when with high racial tensions? Or one where it seems terror plots are thwarted on a daily basis? or one with massed PEGIDA marches? Or one where the far right is sweeping the towns?

Yeah Europe. Over there they've REALLY got things sorted.

Keep going. European countries *love* to hear how shite they are from the dusty pits where they wait for apocalyptic fire to end.

Edit: Deleted the inflammatory bits.

Seriously though, this image you have of Europe is verging on defamatory.

weejonnie said:

MP_SE said:

Pulpstar said:

Any word from Witney ?

Safe Tory hold.

I kind of miss the last couple of by-elections. Newark, Clacton and Rochester were quite interesting to follow. Doubt we will have similar excitement for a while.

It will be announced that there is a recount. Mad panic at PB.com.
Then it will turn out that a candidate was just short of losing their deposit.

Is the count straight away ir in the morning?

timmo said:

rcs1000 said:

SeanT said:

rcs1000 said:

Indigo said:

justin124 said:

rcs1000 said:

Mrs May makes it a vote of confidence. The Labour peers dare not stop a Bill that would result in an absolute massacring of their party in the ensuing general.

Also, remember that even LibDems such as Vince Cable and Paddy Ashdown have said the vote must be respected.

But even in those circumstances May would require Corbyn's co-operation re-the timing of an election. He could still frustrate her plans for at least a few weeks.

Not just that, with the new wording in the FTPA there is no "vote of confidence in the government's policy of X" any more, a vote of confidence is now a stand alone motion, so it's perfectly possible for an opposition to reject the substantive motion X and the pass the confidence motion immediately afterwards.

It's all an irrelevency BECAUSE THE ARTICLE 50 ENABLING BILL WOULD BE PASSED 550 to 100!

Step away from the gin bottle, Robert

Damn it.

I see stupidity all around.

Cognitive dissonance has set in among my fellow Leavers. They honestly think a vote would be lost.

It would not. Name one MP in a Leave voting area that would vote against the Article 50 Enabling Bill? Oh wait, there are none. Even Paddy and Vince say "accept the result". 99% of Conservatives and the vast bulk of non-Conservatives (except perhaps the SNP) would accept the views of the people.

Not getting it through the Commons now is a monumental mistake that may come back to haunt this government and the whole Brexit cause.

LD MP Tom Brake whose Carshalton and Wallington constituency voted 56-44 leave butis an ardent remainer still.

That's one...

rcs1000 said:

timmo said:

rcs1000 said:

SeanT said:

rcs1000 said:

Indigo said:

justin124 said:

rcs1000 said:

Mrs May makes it a vote of confidence. The Labour peers dare not stop a Bill that would result in an absolute massacring of their party in the ensuing general.

Also, remember that even LibDems such as Vince Cable and Paddy Ashdown have said the vote must be respected.

But even in those circumstances May would require Corbyn's co-operation re-the timing of an election. He could still frustrate her plans for at least a few weeks.

Not just that, with the new wording in the FTPA there is no "vote of confidence in the government's policy of X" any more, a vote of confidence is now a stand alone motion, so it's perfectly possible for an opposition to reject the substantive motion X and the pass the confidence motion immediately afterwards.

It's all an irrelevency BECAUSE THE ARTICLE 50 ENABLING BILL WOULD BE PASSED 550 to 100!

Step away from the gin bottle, Robert

Damn it.

I see stupidity all around.

Cognitive dissonance has set in among my fellow Leavers. They honestly think a vote would be lost.

It would not. Name one MP in a Leave voting area that would vote against the Article 50 Enabling Bill? Oh wait, there are none. Even Paddy and Vince say "accept the result". 99% of Conservatives and the vast bulk of non-Conservatives (except perhaps the SNP) would accept the views of the people.

Not getting it through the Commons now is a monumental mistake that may come back to haunt this government and the whole Brexit cause.

LD MP Tom Brake whose Carshalton and Wallington constituency voted 56-44 leave butis an ardent remainer still.

That's one...

What would Ed & Anna do in their northern towns ?

Gardenwalker said:

taffys said:

''So, keep taking your brief from the Mail and "the rise of a new Britain" by all means, but I suspect that with Scotland restive, and the economy overall in the toilet, that a whole load of people will be rowing back from Brexit triumphalism as fast as they can.''

Must be great to live in Europe. Are you in one of those parts where youth unemployment is close to 50%? Or in one where the banking system has essentially collapsed? Or when with high racial tensions? Or one where it seems terror plots are thwarted on a daily basis? or one with massed PEGIDA marches? Or one where the far right is sweeping the towns?

Yeah Europe. Over there they've REALLY got things sorted.

Keep going. European countries *love* to hear how shite they are from the dusty pits where they wait for apocalyptic fire to end.

Edit: Deleted the inflammatory bits.

Seriously though, this image you have of Europe is verging on defamatory.

Just as a matter of interest what is defamatory about 'Taffys' comments

ThreeQuidder said:

timmo said:

weejonnie said:

MP_SE said:

Pulpstar said:

Any word from Witney ?

Safe Tory hold.

I kind of miss the last couple of by-elections. Newark, Clacton and Rochester were quite interesting to follow. Doubt we will have similar excitement for a while.

It will be announced that there is a recount. Mad panic at PB.com.
Then it will turn out that a candidate was just short of losing their deposit.

Is the count straight away ir in the morning?

Overnight, we have been told (someone, can't remember who, looked it up on the council website).

Me. And, yes, if the count is straightforward expected 2 am or slightly later.

On topically speaking I think Trump, a bully, is not comfortable unless his audience is fully supportive. The debates have of course included a range of voters in the audience. Trump has found a following, and so has taught the US establishment something perhaps. With regard to Brexit a similar realisation seemed to be the gist of Ms May's conference speech.

Pulpstar said:

rcs1000 said:

timmo said:

rcs1000 said:

SeanT said:

rcs1000 said:

Indigo said:

justin124 said:

rcs1000 said:

Mrs May makes it a vote of confidence. The Labour peers dare not stop a Bill that would result in an absolute massacring of their party in the ensuing general.

Also, remember that even LibDems such as Vince Cable and Paddy Ashdown have said the vote must be respected.

But even in those circumstances May would require Corbyn's co-operation re-the timing of an election. He could still frustrate her plans for at least a few weeks.

Not just that, with the new wording in the FTPA there is no "vote of confidence in the government's policy of X" any more, a vote of confidence is now a stand alone motion, so it's perfectly possible for an opposition to reject the substantive motion X and the pass the confidence motion immediately afterwards.

It's all an irrelevency BECAUSE THE ARTICLE 50 ENABLING BILL WOULD BE PASSED 550 to 100!

Step away from the gin bottle, Robert

Damn it.

I see stupidity all around.

Cognitive dissonance has set in among my fellow Leavers. They honestly think a vote would be lost.

It would not. Name one MP in a Leave voting area that would vote against the Article 50 Enabling Bill? Oh wait, there are none. Even Paddy and Vince say "accept the result". 99% of Conservatives and the vast bulk of non-Conservatives (except perhaps the SNP) would accept the views of the people.

Not getting it through the Commons now is a monumental mistake that may come back to haunt this government and the whole Brexit cause.

LD MP Tom Brake whose Carshalton and Wallington constituency voted 56-44 leave butis an ardent remainer still.

That's one...

What would Ed & Anna do in their northern towns ?

its grim up there

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Gardenwalker said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Gardenwalker said:

taffys said:

''So, keep taking your brief from the Mail and "the rise of a new Britain" by all means, but I suspect that with Scotland restive, and the economy overall in the toilet, that a whole load of people will be rowing back from Brexit triumphalism as fast as they can.''

Must be great to live in Europe. Are you in one of those parts where youth unemployment is close to 50%? Or in one where the banking system has essentially collapsed? Or when with high racial tensions? Or one where it seems terror plots are thwarted on a daily basis? or one with massed PEGIDA marches? Or one where the far right is sweeping the towns?

Yeah Europe. Over there they've REALLY got things sorted.

Keep going. European countries *love* to hear how shite they are from the dusty pits where they wait for apocalyptic fire to end.

Edit: Deleted the inflammatory bits.

Seriously though, this image you have of Europe is verging on defamatory.

Just as a matter of interest what is defamatory about 'Taffys' comments

As a picture of Europe, it is positively Breitbartian.

But why is it defamatory

Obviously you cannot defame a continent, I was talking figuratively. But if you think Taffys picture was accurate I suggest you travel more.

Don't worry, you won't be beset by a PEGIDA mob fleeing a collapsing financial system at Calais.

My final prediction for Witney:

Con 51.3 (-8.9)
LD 27.6 (+20.9)
Lab 10.2 (-7.0)
Green 4.9 (-0.2)
UKIP 4.5 (-4.7)
Others 1.6 (-0.1)

Turnout 55.1 (-18.2)

TheScreamingEagles said:

I reckon if Hillary takes Tennessee at 3AM on November 9th, I reckon that'll be peak KLF on PB.

What is KLF for an outsider?

AndyJS said:

My final prediction for Witney:

Con 51.3 (-8.9)
LD 27.6 (+20.9)
Lab 10.2 (-7.0)
Green 4.9 (-0.2)
UKIP 4.5 (-4.7)
Others 1.6 (-0.1)

Turnout 55.1 (-18.2)

That'd be a respectable showing for the yellows.

Gardenwalker said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Gardenwalker said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Gardenwalker said:

taffys said:

''So, keep taking your brief from the Mail and "the rise of a new Britain" by all means, but I suspect that with Scotland restive, and the economy overall in the toilet, that a whole load of people will be rowing back from Brexit triumphalism as fast as they can.''

Must be great to live in Europe. Are you in one of those parts where youth unemployment is close to 50%? Or in one where the banking system has essentially collapsed? Or when with high racial tensions? Or one where it seems terror plots are thwarted on a daily basis? or one with massed PEGIDA marches? Or one where the far right is sweeping the towns?

Yeah Europe. Over there they've REALLY got things sorted.

Keep going. European countries *love* to hear how shite they are from the dusty pits where they wait for apocalyptic fire to end.

Edit: Deleted the inflammatory bits.

Seriously though, this image you have of Europe is verging on defamatory.

Just as a matter of interest what is defamatory about 'Taffys' comments

As a picture of Europe, it is positively Breitbartian.

But why is it defamatory

Obviously you cannot defame a continent, I was talking figuratively. But if you think Taffys picture was accurate I suggest you travel more.

Don't worry, you won't be beset by a PEGIDA mob fleeing a collapsing financial system at Calais.

Travel more. I have visited every European and Scandanavian country, been round the world seven times in the last 9 years, visited Antarctica and enjoyed three weeks in Italy this summer.

Does that fit the bill for you

Pulpstar said:

Tories out to 1.06... Either this is the best quick return ever or I'm going to feel very stupid soon...

You mean you're backing them at 1.06%?

TheScreamingEagles said:

tyson said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

I reckon if Hillary takes Tennessee at 3AM on November 9th, I reckon that'll be peak KLF on PB.

What is KLF for an outsider?

The KLF are a truly awesome 80s/90s electronica band.

Here's some of their work

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRA93KWL1eY

Of course....Justified and Ancient and we live in Moo Moo Land with Tammy...

ThreeQuidder said:

rcs1000 said:

Indigo said:

justin124 said:

rcs1000 said:

Mrs May makes it a vote of confidence. The Labour peers dare not stop a Bill that would result in an absolute massacring of their party in the ensuing general.

Also, remember that even LibDems such as Vince Cable and Paddy Ashdown have said the vote must be respected.

But even in those circumstances May would require Corbyn's co-operation re-the timing of an election. He could still frustrate her plans for at least a few weeks.

Not just that, with the new wording in the FTPA there is no "vote of confidence in the government's policy of X" any more, a vote of confidence is now a stand alone motion, so it's perfectly possible for an opposition to reject the substantive motion X and the pass the confidence motion immediately afterwards.

It's all an irrelevency BECAUSE THE ARTICLE 50 ENABLING BILL WOULD BE PASSED 550 to 100!

And chucked out by the Lords.

RCS is right.

What Prime Minister would not fancy asking members on both sides of the house to accept the will of the people? This isn't defending drone strikes, it is the easiest speech to write.

SeanT said:

tyson said:

SeanT said:

IanB2 said:

Anorak said:

SeanT said:

Just been invited to go Mauritius and the Seychelles, in January.

Anyone been to Mauritius, is it nice?

Fuck. Off. You. Smug. Git*.

*Yes, for honeymoon in December. Quite beautiful.

I preferred yesterday's post when he was banging on about being an idiot who drinks too much.

I shan't tell you about my impending commission to visit the new Six Senses in Cambodia, on its own private island

http://www.traveldailymedia.com/237975/six-senses-to-debut-in-cambodia-with-luxury-island-resort/

In early November I will be, officially, the first British journalist to see the new amazing 3D Lascaux complex. Two days ahead of Anthony Peregrine, of the Sunday Times

I'm staying here

http://www.chateaudelatreyne.com/en/

A week later I'm flying to the Gourmet Escape Food Festival in Margaret River Australia,

etc etc etc

My life is ridiculous. It's sometimes lonely. But also fantastic. We do what we do, then we die.

You do realise Sean you share many things in common with The Donald. A bit of comradely advice......not good.... always using hyperbole to describe how great you are. It makes you look desperate or sad, or pathetic, or a combination of the aforementioned.

We have already agreed we are both appalling narcissists. The rest is detail.

I suppose it takes one to know one, and we'll leave it at that......

Whoever bought this asylum seeker's Rolex for £3,000 got a bargain. That is at least a £5,000 watch depending on its age.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3856266/Syrian-doctor-says-return-war-ravaged-country-stay-UK.html

If we going to be on thread then it's this one we need to refer to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dGj9h8ggCc

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Gardenwalker said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Gardenwalker said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Gardenwalker said:

taffys said:

''So, keep taking your brief from the Mail and "the rise of a new Britain" by all means, but I suspect that with Scotland restive, and the economy overall in the toilet, that a whole load of people will be rowing back from Brexit triumphalism as fast as they can.''

Must be great to live in Europe. Are you in one of those parts where youth unemployment is close to 50%? Or in one where the banking system has essentially collapsed? Or when with high racial tensions? Or one where it seems terror plots are thwarted on a daily basis? or one with massed PEGIDA marches? Or one where the far right is sweeping the towns?

Yeah Europe. Over there they've REALLY got things sorted.

Keep going. European countries *love* to hear how shite they are from the dusty pits where they wait for apocalyptic fire to end.

Edit: Deleted the inflammatory bits.

Seriously though, this image you have of Europe is verging on defamatory.

Just as a matter of interest what is defamatory about 'Taffys' comments

As a picture of Europe, it is positively Breitbartian.

But why is it defamatory

Obviously you cannot defame a continent, I was talking figuratively. But if you think Taffys picture was accurate I suggest you travel more.

Don't worry, you won't be beset by a PEGIDA mob fleeing a collapsing financial system at Calais.

Travel more. I have visited every European and Scandanavian country, been round the world seven times in the last 9 years, visited Antarctica and enjoyed three weeks in Italy this summer.

Does that fit the bill for you

Very impressive.

Did you see any massed PEGIDA marches?
Have any trouble withdrawing cash from the ATMs in Europe's "essentially collapsed" financial system?

Of course not.

In fact you enjoyed an undoubtedly very pleasant three weeks in Italy, a country which despite all its troubles is still very liveable.

My concern is that the kind of delusional talk from Taffy above fosters the worst kind of Brexit. Culturally insular and economically disastrous. Whatever happens, Europe is our neighbourhood. We need to work with them, not pour bile on them.