Anecdotal evidence alert. My daughter, who is a poll clerk today at the polling station in the centre of Witney has had time to work on her college studies for much of the time....
Mrs May makes it a vote of confidence. The Labour peers dare not stop a Bill that would result in an absolute massacring of their party in the ensuing general.
Also, remember that even LibDems such as Vince Cable and Paddy Ashdown have said the vote must be respected.
But even in those circumstances May would require Corbyn's co-operation re-the timing of an election. He could still frustrate her plans for at least a few weeks.
Not just that, with the new wording in the FTPA there is no "vote of confidence in the government's policy of X" any more, a vote of confidence is now a stand alone motion, so it's perfectly possible for an opposition to reject the substantive motion X and the pass the confidence motion immediately afterwards.
It's all an irrelevency BECAUSE THE ARTICLE 50 ENABLING BILL WOULD BE PASSED 550 to 100!
But even in those circumstances May would require Corbyn's co-operation re-the timing of an election. He could still frustrate her plans for at least a few weeks.
So, he could delay the invocation of Article 50 (which, by the way, he supports) for a couple of weeks, at the expense of seeing himself lose half his seats.
The Lords would not delay an Article 50 Bill; nor would the Commons. She would either have a fabulous mandate, or a large majority.
Instead, she's made a point of principle out of something she'd win by a mile anyway.
Not only does it make it clear how weak she is, but it also endangers Brexit. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.
But he could force her to table a formal No Confidence vote in her own Government - which,in turn, could lead to the constitutional uncertainty discussed here a few days ago.
He doesn't need to. If the Article 50 Enabling Bill is a vote of confidence, they either pass it (job done), or she goes to the country, and gets a mega majority off the back of the Lords (and Labour) trying to subvert the will of the people.
The Lords would not be able to block it post GE, as it would have been in the manifesto.
That's not how the FTPA works.
And even if May does engineer a general election, the Lords would try to block A50 anyway. After all, if they can ignore a referendum they can ignore an election.
But even in those circumstances May would require Corbyn's co-operation re-the timing of an election. He could still frustrate her plans for at least a few weeks.
So, he could delay the invocation of Article 50 (which, by the way, he supports) for a couple of weeks, at the expense of seeing himself lose half his seats.
The Lords would not delay an Article 50 Bill; nor would the Commons. She would either have a fabulous mandate, or a large majority.
Instead, she's made a point of principle out of something she'd win by a mile anyway.
Not only does it make it clear how weak she is, but it also endangers Brexit. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.
But he could force her to table a formal No Confidence vote in her own Government - which,in turn, could lead to the constitutional uncertainty discussed here a few days ago.
He doesn't need to. If the Article 50 Enabling Bill is a vote of confidence, they either pass it (job done), or she goes to the country, and gets a mega majority off the back of the Lords (and Labour) trying to subvert the will of the people.
The Lords would not be able to block it post GE, as it would have been in the manifesto.
Whilst A PM may wish to treat a particular Bill as a confidence vote it would not in itself satisfy the terms of FTA to bring about a Dissolution. May would have to table a separate No Confidence Vote in the Commons.
Mrs May makes it a vote of confidence. The Labour peers dare not stop a Bill that would result in an absolute massacring of their party in the ensuing general.
Also, remember that even LibDems such as Vince Cable and Paddy Ashdown have said the vote must be respected.
But even in those circumstances May would require Corbyn's co-operation re-the timing of an election. He could still frustrate her plans for at least a few weeks.
Not just that, with the new wording in the FTPA there is no "vote of confidence in the government's policy of X" any more, a vote of confidence is now a stand alone motion, so it's perfectly possible for an opposition to reject the substantive motion X and the pass the confidence motion immediately afterwards.
It's all an irrelevency BECAUSE THE ARTICLE 50 ENABLING BILL WOULD BE PASSED 550 to 100!
Theresa May tells the 27 EU members she will not rubber stamp EU decisions at meetings the UK are not present at.
The arrogance of the 27 who think they can exclude us while we are still full members and paying in have come up against a UK leader who will not be a walk over. Well done Theresa
27 countries defending their collective interests is "arrogance". 1 country trying to lecture the other 27 is plucky Britain standing up for itself... Sheesh, you still don't get the fact that Mrs May is massively mishandling this do you? The appointment of the three Brexiteers has not gone down too well elsewhere and the "Citizen of Nowhere" speech has not gone down too well with a very large number of people in the UK. The City is furious. Billions of Pounds just walked out the door and several million jobs are now at risk as inward investment evaporates. Meanwhile the UK housing market is one step from the abyss, to be followed in short order by another banking crisis. Even the offshore billionaires that control most of the U.K. Press are going to toil to gloss over the earthquake that is coming. Still, good thing you took your country back, hope it goes well.
Their talks a classic remoaner and top notch doom monger.
You lost and the UK will exert it's legal right to take full part in EU decisions upto it's exit and when we stop paying in to Juncker's undemocratic gravy train
Mrs May makes it a vote of confidence. The Labour peers dare not stop a Bill that would result in an absolute massacring of their party in the ensuing general.
Also, remember that even LibDems such as Vince Cable and Paddy Ashdown have said the vote must be respected.
But even in those circumstances May would require Corbyn's co-operation re-the timing of an election. He could still frustrate her plans for at least a few weeks.
Not just that, with the new wording in the FTPA there is no "vote of confidence in the government's policy of X" any more, a vote of confidence is now a stand alone motion, so it's perfectly possible for an opposition to reject the substantive motion X and the pass the confidence motion immediately afterwards.
It's all an irrelevency BECAUSE THE ARTICLE 50 ENABLING BILL WOULD BE PASSED 550 to 100!
MPs can be ornery for longer than you can be logical.
Mrs May makes it a vote of confidence. The Labour peers dare not stop a Bill that would result in an absolute massacring of their party in the ensuing general.
Also, remember that even LibDems such as Vince Cable and Paddy Ashdown have said the vote must be respected.
But even in those circumstances May would require Corbyn's co-operation re-the timing of an election. He could still frustrate her plans for at least a few weeks.
Not just that, with the new wording in the FTPA there is no "vote of confidence in the government's policy of X" any more, a vote of confidence is now a stand alone motion, so it's perfectly possible for an opposition to reject the substantive motion X and the pass the confidence motion immediately afterwards.
It's all an irrelevency BECAUSE THE ARTICLE 50 ENABLING BILL WOULD BE PASSED 550 to 100!
Step away from the gin bottle, Robert
Damn it.
I see stupidity all around.
Cognitive dissonance has set in among my fellow Leavers. They honestly think a vote would be lost.
It would not. Name one MP in a Leave voting area that would vote against the Article 50 Enabling Bill? Oh wait, there are none. Even Paddy and Vince say "accept the result". 99% of Conservatives and the vast bulk of non-Conservatives (except perhaps the SNP) would accept the views of the people.
Not getting it through the Commons now is a monumental mistake that may come back to haunt this government and the whole Brexit cause.
Mrs May makes it a vote of confidence. The Labour peers dare not stop a Bill that would result in an absolute massacring of their party in the ensuing general.
Also, remember that even LibDems such as Vince Cable and Paddy Ashdown have said the vote must be respected.
But even in those circumstances May would require Corbyn's co-operation re-the timing of an election. He could still frustrate her plans for at least a few weeks.
Not just that, with the new wording in the FTPA there is no "vote of confidence in the government's policy of X" any more, a vote of confidence is now a stand alone motion, so it's perfectly possible for an opposition to reject the substantive motion X and the pass the confidence motion immediately afterwards.
It's all an irrelevency BECAUSE THE ARTICLE 50 ENABLING BILL WOULD BE PASSED 550 to 100!
MPs can be ornery for longer than you can be logical.
Really, no.
Firstly, any Conservative that voted against would be deselected. Secondly, any Party that attempted to subvert the will of their own voters would get massacred.
Time is the enemy of Brexit, not MPs. The longer the gap since the referendum, the more politicians can rationalise not following its instructions.
Theresa May tells the 27 EU members she will not rubber stamp EU decisions at meetings the UK are not present at.
The arrogance of the 27 who think they can exclude us while we are still full members and paying in have come up against a UK leader who will not be a walk over. Well done Theresa
27 countries defending their collective interests is "arrogance". 1 country trying to lecture the other 27 is plucky Britain standing up for itself... Sheesh, you still don't get the fact that Mrs May is massively mishandling this do you? The appointment of the three Brexiteers has not gone down too well elsewhere and the "Citizen of Nowhere" speech has not gone down too well with a very large number of people in the UK. The City is furious. Billions of Pounds just walked out the door and several million jobs are now at risk as inward investment evaporates. Meanwhile the UK housing market is one step from the abyss, to be followed in short order by another banking crisis. Even the offshore billionaires that control most of the U.K. Press are going to toil to gloss over the earthquake that is coming. Still, good thing you took your country back, hope it goes well.
Their talks a classic remoaner and top notch doom monger.
You lost and the UK will exert it's legal right to take full part in EU decisions upto it's exit and when we stop paying in to Juncker's undemocratic gravy train
Here the triumphant Brexiteers are pictured with Big G from North Wales (who voted Remain):
Theresa May tells the 27 EU members she will not rubber stamp EU decisions at meetings the UK are not present at.
The arrogance of the 27 who think they can exclude us while we are still full members and paying in have come up against a UK leader who will not be a walk over. Well done Theresa
27 countries defending their collective interests is "arrogance". 1 country trying to lecture the other 27 is plucky Britain standing up for itself... Sheesh, you still don't get the fact that Mrs May is massively mishandling this do you? The appointment of the three Brexiteers has not gone down too well elsewhere and the "Citizen of Nowhere" speech has not gone down too well with a very large number of people in the UK. The City is furious. Billions of Pounds just walked out the door and several million jobs are now at risk as inward investment evaporates. Meanwhile the UK housing market is one step from the abyss, to be followed in short order by another banking crisis. Even the offshore billionaires that control most of the U.K. Press are going to toil to gloss over the earthquake that is coming. Still, good thing you took your country back, hope it goes well.
Their talks a classic remoaner and top notch doom monger.
You lost and the UK will exert it's legal right to take full part in EU decisions upto it's exit and when we stop paying in to Juncker's undemocratic gravy train
Here the triumphant Brexiteers are pictured with Big G from North Wales (who voted Remain):
That's not Gareth Bale and I am proud to have agreed with the democratic decision of the people
I said I wouldn't post any more on Potus 2016, but here's one final parting shot...
The last Ohio poll was 45/45. And yet look at the number for 'country's on the wrong track'
60-odd/ 30-odd for the 'wrong track'
Now, in what world to people who want to change the direction of the country vote for Hillary Clinton? she is the continuity candidate to end all continuity candidates. She is Mrs 'as you were'
Just sayin'
That's why the whole debate is about Trump's suitability. That's why Clinton's team has been so brilliant.
People are scared to vote for Donald, even though they want a change, because the Clinton machine has been utterly brilliant, and utterly ruthless.
I have a half-written thread, which I will probably never finish, arguing that Hillary Clinton has been a top drawer candidate. Her campaign has been utterly ruthless, as you say.
Mrs May makes it a vote of confidence. The Labour peers dare not stop a Bill that would result in an absolute massacring of their party in the ensuing general.
Also, remember that even LibDems such as Vince Cable and Paddy Ashdown have said the vote must be respected.
But even in those circumstances May would require Corbyn's co-operation re-the timing of an election. He could still frustrate her plans for at least a few weeks.
Not just that, with the new wording in the FTPA there is no "vote of confidence in the government's policy of X" any more, a vote of confidence is now a stand alone motion, so it's perfectly possible for an opposition to reject the substantive motion X and the pass the confidence motion immediately afterwards.
It's all an irrelevency BECAUSE THE ARTICLE 50 ENABLING BILL WOULD BE PASSED 550 to 100!
And chucked out by the Lords.
It won't, really.
Because - given the Queen is a Leaver - the PM can always create 100 new Leaver Lords (I'm willing to volunteer) and put through a different This Ones For Real Brexit Bill.
The idea that the Lords will come out against invocation and then cleverly conspire to prevent a General Election is ridiculous.
Time is the enemy of Brexit, because it means that politicians start to forget having heard the voice of the people. And it increases the possibility of events getting in the way,
The Article 50 Enabling Bill can go through the Commons (and the Lords) next week.
Just been invited to go Mauritius and the Seychelles, in January.
Anyone been to Mauritius, is it nice?
Mauritius is okay. I didn't really enjoy it, but I did love the Seychelles. I won a company prize and went there for ten days all inclusive at a 5* resort. Wonderful.
Mrs May makes it a vote of confidence. The Labour peers dare not stop a Bill that would result in an absolute massacring of their party in the ensuing general.
Also, remember that even LibDems such as Vince Cable and Paddy Ashdown have said the vote must be respected.
But even in those circumstances May would require Corbyn's co-operation re-the timing of an election. He could still frustrate her plans for at least a few weeks.
Not just that, with the new wording in the FTPA there is no "vote of confidence in the government's policy of X" any more, a vote of confidence is now a stand alone motion, so it's perfectly possible for an opposition to reject the substantive motion X and the pass the confidence motion immediately afterwards.
It's all an irrelevency BECAUSE THE ARTICLE 50 ENABLING BILL WOULD BE PASSED 550 to 100!
Just been invited to go Mauritius and the Seychelles, in January.
Anyone been to Mauritius, is it nice?
Mauritius is well worth a look. Make sure you take a guided walk through he middle of the island. Go see the trees full of fruit bats - and maybe the critically endangered Pink Pigeon. Good dolphin watching too.
Mrs May makes it a vote of confidence. The Labour peers dare not stop a Bill that would result in an absolute massacring of their party in the ensuing general.
Also, remember that even LibDems such as Vince Cable and Paddy Ashdown have said the vote must be respected.
But even in those circumstances May would require Corbyn's co-operation re-the timing of an election. He could still frustrate her plans for at least a few weeks.
Not just that, with the new wording in the FTPA there is no "vote of confidence in the government's policy of X" any more, a vote of confidence is now a stand alone motion, so it's perfectly possible for an opposition to reject the substantive motion X and the pass the confidence motion immediately afterwards.
It's all an irrelevency BECAUSE THE ARTICLE 50 ENABLING BILL WOULD BE PASSED 550 to 100!
Step away from the gin bottle, Robert
Damn it.
I see stupidity all around.
Cognitive dissonance has set in among my fellow Leavers. They honestly think a vote would be lost.
It would not. Name one MP in a Leave voting area that would vote against the Article 50 Enabling Bill? Oh wait, there are none. Even Paddy and Vince say "accept the result". 99% of Conservatives and the vast bulk of non-Conservatives (except perhaps the SNP) would accept the views of the people.
Not getting it through the Commons now is a monumental mistake that may come back to haunt this government and the whole Brexit cause.
Uhm, no, I just don't see the urgency for a vote. I really don't believe Brexit can be reversed in any likely scenario.
@rcs1000 is right about the dynamics. Already we see the public abandoning the idea of prioritising ending freedom of movement over the single market (though the referendum was won off the back of shutting the borders to nasty foreigners) and believing that Brexit will make them poorer. It's easy to see how that could quite quickly develop into a firm public view that after all Brexit shouldn't happen, especially if the economic weather gets stormier. From a Leaver viewpoint, the Rubicon needs to be crossed early.
Of course, Mrs May supported Remain so perhaps she doesn't have the Leave campaign's best interests at heart. Or maybe she is just a poor strategist. Hard to tell really.
Mrs May makes it a vote of confidence. The Labour peers dare not stop a Bill that would result in an absolute massacring of their party in the ensuing general.
Also, remember that even LibDems such as Vince Cable and Paddy Ashdown have said the vote must be respected.
But even in those circumstances May would require Corbyn's co-operation re-the timing of an election. He could still frustrate her plans for at least a few weeks.
Not just that, with the new wording in the FTPA there is no "vote of confidence in the government's policy of X" any more, a vote of confidence is now a stand alone motion, so it's perfectly possible for an opposition to reject the substantive motion X and the pass the confidence motion immediately afterwards.
It's all an irrelevency BECAUSE THE ARTICLE 50 ENABLING BILL WOULD BE PASSED 550 to 100!
BUT NOT BY THE LORDS!
Then the PM will ennoble 150 more Lords and push it through.
It does have a real mix of African, Indian, French and British culture.
I liked it. I didn't realise how small I was until I was on the baggage carousel at Heathrow with the Aussie rugby team who were on the same flight back.
Mrs May makes it a vote of confidence. The Labour peers dare not stop a Bill that would result in an absolute massacring of their party in the ensuing general.
Also, remember that even LibDems such as Vince Cable and Paddy Ashdown have said the vote must be respected.
But even in those circumstances May would require Corbyn's co-operation re-the timing of an election. He could still frustrate her plans for at least a few weeks.
Not just that, with the new wording in the FTPA there is no "vote of confidence in the government's policy of X" any more, a vote of confidence is now a stand alone motion, so it's perfectly possible for an opposition to reject the substantive motion X and the pass the confidence motion immediately afterwards.
It's all an irrelevency BECAUSE THE ARTICLE 50 ENABLING BILL WOULD BE PASSED 550 to 100!
BUT NOT BY THE LORDS!
Then the PM will ennoble 150 more Lords and push it through.
Mrs May makes it a vote of confidence. The Labour peers dare not stop a Bill that would result in an absolute massacring of their party in the ensuing general.
Also, remember that even LibDems such as Vince Cable and Paddy Ashdown have said the vote must be respected.
But even in those circumstances May would require Corbyn's co-operation re-the timing of an election. He could still frustrate her plans for at least a few weeks.
Not just that, with the new wording in the FTPA there is no "vote of confidence in the government's policy of X" any more, a vote of confidence is now a stand alone motion, so it's perfectly possible for an opposition to reject the substantive motion X and the pass the confidence motion immediately afterwards.
It's all an irrelevency BECAUSE THE ARTICLE 50 ENABLING BILL WOULD BE PASSED 550 to 100!
BUT NOT BY THE LORDS!
Then the PM will ennoble 150 more Lords and push it through.
I am sceptical about the practicalities of this, the press and the opposition would have a field day banging on about gerrymandering and the irony of appointing 150 lords when you are trying to trim the Commons by 50 to save costs. Besides which arent Lords (at least nominally) supposed to be appointed according to representation of each party in the commons, would she have to appoint 70 Labour Lords and a dozen LD Lords as well ?
I kind of miss the last couple of by-elections. Newark, Clacton and Rochester were quite interesting to follow. Doubt we will have similar excitement for a while.
Mrs May makes it a vote of confidence. The Labour peers dare not stop a Bill that would result in an absolute massacring of their party in the ensuing general.
Also, remember that even LibDems such as Vince Cable and Paddy Ashdown have said the vote must be respected.
But even in those circumstances May would require Corbyn's co-operation re-the timing of an election. He could still frustrate her plans for at least a few weeks.
Not just that, with the new wording in the FTPA there is no "vote of confidence in the government's policy of X" any more, a vote of confidence is now a stand alone motion, so it's perfectly possible for an opposition to reject the substantive motion X and the pass the confidence motion immediately afterwards.
It's all an irrelevency BECAUSE THE ARTICLE 50 ENABLING BILL WOULD BE PASSED 550 to 100!
BUT NOT BY THE LORDS!
Then the PM will ennoble 150 more Lords and push it through.
She'd be better resigning as PM if she were forced by the courts to pass an Act before triggering A50, and was blocked by the Lords from doing so.
Hold an election on upholding the people's wishes against Lab and LD anti-democrats.
If the Lords still played silly afterwards, put forward a bill to abolish it.
Mrs May makes it a vote of confidence. The Labour peers dare not stop a Bill that would result in an absolute massacring of their party in the ensuing general.
Also, remember that even LibDems such as Vince Cable and Paddy Ashdown have said the vote must be respected.
But even in those circumstances May would require Corbyn's co-operation re-the timing of an election. He could still frustrate her plans for at least a few weeks.
Not just that, with the new wording in the FTPA there is no "vote of confidence in the government's policy of X" any more, a vote of confidence is now a stand alone motion, so it's perfectly possible for an opposition to reject the substantive motion X and the pass the confidence motion immediately afterwards.
It's all an irrelevency BECAUSE THE ARTICLE 50 ENABLING BILL WOULD BE PASSED 550 to 100!
BUT NOT BY THE LORDS!
Then the PM will ennoble 150 more Lords and push it through.
She'd be better resigning as PM if she were forced by the courts to pass an Act before triggering A50, and was blocked by the Lords from doing so.
Hold an election on upholding the people's wishes against Lab and LD anti-democrats.
If the Lords still played silly afterwards, put forward a bill to abolish it.
I know many Leavers are getting jittery, however, as you have said May has plenty of options. The chances of Brexit being scuppered are slim.
Mrs May makes it a vote of confidence. The Labour peers dare not stop a Bill that would result in an absolute massacring of their party in the ensuing general.
Also, remember that even LibDems such as Vince Cable and Paddy Ashdown have said the vote must be respected.
But even in those circumstances May would require Corbyn's co-operation re-the timing of an election. He could still frustrate her plans for at least a few weeks.
It's all an irrelevency BECAUSE THE ARTICLE 50 ENABLING BILL WOULD BE PASSED 550 to 100!
Step away from the gin bottle, Robert
Damn it.
I see stupidity all around.
Cognitive dissonance has set in among my fellow Leavers. They honestly think a vote would be lost.
It would not. Name one MP in a Leave voting area that would vote against the Article 50 Enabling Bill? Oh wait, there are none. Even Paddy and Vince say "accept the result". 99% of Conservatives and the vast bulk of non-Conservatives (except perhaps the SNP) would accept the views of the people.
Not getting it through the Commons now is a monumental mistake that may come back to haunt this government and the whole Brexit cause.
Uhm, no, I just don't see the urgency for a vote. I really don't believe Brexit can be reversed in any likely scenario.
@rcs1000 is right about the dynamics. Already we see the public abandoning the idea of prioritising ending freedom of movement over the single market (though the referendum was won off the back of shutting the borders to nasty foreigners) and believing that Brexit will make them poorer. It's easy to see how that could quite quickly develop into a firm public view that after all Brexit shouldn't happen, especially if the economic weather gets stormier. From a Leaver viewpoint, the Rubicon needs to be crossed early.
Of course, Mrs May supported Remain so perhaps she doesn't have the Leave campaign's best interests at heart. Or maybe she is just a poor strategist. Hard to tell really.
After Hammond's very sensible remarks about migration yesterday, he's been slapped down by May.
Andrew Lilico, Leaver economist, is also aghast: "The UK govt's managing of its PR with EU voters seems inept so far. We shld be smothering our partners, their firms & their citizens in love."
Mrs May makes it a vote of confidence. The Labour peers dare not stop a Bill that would result in an absolute massacring of their party in the ensuing general.
Also, remember that even LibDems such as Vince Cable and Paddy Ashdown have said the vote must be respected.
But even in those circumstances May would require Corbyn's co-operation re-the timing of an election. He could still frustrate her plans for at least a few weeks.
Not just that, with the new wording in the FTPA there is no "vote of confidence in the government's policy of X" any more, a vote of confidence is now a stand alone motion, so it's perfectly possible for an opposition to reject the substantive motion X and the pass the confidence motion immediately afterwards.
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It would not. Name one MP in a Leave voting area that would vote against the Article 50 Enabling Bill? Oh wait, there are none. Even Paddy and Vince say "accept the result". 99% of Conservatives and the vast bulk of non-Conservatives (except perhaps the SNP) would accept the views of the people.
Not getting it through the Commons now is a monumental mistake that may come back to haunt this government and the whole Brexit cause.
Uhm, no, I just don't see the urgency for a vote. I really don't believe Brexit can be reversed in any likely scenario.
@rcs1000 is right about the dynamics. Already we see the public abandoning the idea of prioritising ending freedom of movement over the single market (though the referendum was won off the back of shutting the borders to nasty foreigners) and believing that Brexit will make them poorer. It's easy to see how that could quite quickly develop into a firm public view that after all Brexit shouldn't happen, especially if the economic weather gets stormier. From a Leaver viewpoint, the Rubicon needs to be crossed early.
Of course, Mrs May supported Remain so perhaps she doesn't have the Leave campaign's best interests at heart. Or maybe she is just a poor strategist. Hard to tell really.
She is a three-dimensional chess grandmaster, who defeated a bunch of ambitious and ruthless Tories to Prime Minister without appearing to be interested or even try, and is always one move ahead. And who survived in the Home Office longer than anyone and, almost uniquely, left the job for a promotion. We lesser mortals can either struggle to wrap our minds around the extra dimension, or just stand back in wonder. Maybe she will engineer things so that we remain, and she escapes any blame, who knows?
Theresa May tells the 27 EU members she will not rubber stamp EU decisions at meetings the UK are not present at.
The arrogance of the 27 who think they can exclude us while we are still full members and paying in have come up against a UK leader who will not be a walk over. Well done Theresa
27 countries defending their collective interests is "arrogance". 1 country trying to lecture the other 27 is plucky Britain standing up for itself... Sheesh, you still don't get the fact that Mrs May is massively mishandling this do you? The appointment of the three Brexiteers has not gone down too well elsewhere and the "Citizen of Nowhere" speech has not gone down too well with a very large number of people in the UK. The City is furious. Billions of Pounds just walked out the door and several million jobs are now at risk as inward investment evaporates. Meanwhile the UK housing market is one step from the abyss, to be followed in short order by another banking crisis. Even the offshore billionaires that control most of the U.K. Press are going to toil to gloss over the earthquake that is coming. Still, good thing you took your country back, hope it goes well.
Their talks a classic remoaner and top notch doom monger.
You lost and the UK will exert it's legal right to take full part in EU decisions upto it's exit and when we stop paying in to Juncker's undemocratic gravy train
Not sure I need to take a lecture from someone who confuses "their" with "there". However let me humour you. Not great tactics to continually insult the side you are going to have to negotiate with- and that is exactly what is happening now. The 27 will take ever less notice of the U.K.- in their own natonal interests. Even our former friends, like Sweden or Estonia are aligning away from the UK. People on this side of the channel do read the Express, Mail et al, and the basic assumption is that the UK has lost it. If Brexit really does mean a Hard Brexit, then the UK is in deep trouble. The U.K. Risk premium has just been permanently repriced: Sterling down and Interest rates up, with inbound investment down for the foreseeable future. Not, I am afraid doom mongering, but description. So, keep taking your brief from the Mail and "the rise of a new Britain" by all means, but I suspect that with Scotland restive, and the economy overall in the toilet, that a whole load of people will be rowing back from Brexit triumphalism as fast as they can.
Mrs May makes it a vote of confidence. The Labour peers dare not stop a Bill that would result in an absolute massacring of their party in the ensuing general.
Also, remember that even LibDems such as Vince Cable and Paddy Ashdown have said the vote must be respected.
But even in those circumstances May would require Corbyn's co-operation re-the timing of an election. He could still frustrate her plans for at least a few weeks.
Not just that, with the new wording in the FTPA there is no "vote of confidence in the government's policy of X" any more, a vote of confidence is now a stand alone motion, so it's perfectly possible for an opposition to reject the substantive motion X and the pass the confidence motion immediately afterwards.
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@rcs1000 is right about the dynamics. Already we see the public abandoning the idea of prioritising ending freedom of movement over the single market (though the referendum was won off the back of shutting the borders to nasty foreigners) and believing that Brexit will make them poorer. It's easy to see how that could quite quickly develop into a firm public view that after all Brexit shouldn't happen, especially if the economic weather gets stormier. From a Leaver viewpoint, the Rubicon needs to be crossed early.
Of course, Mrs May supported Remain so perhaps she doesn't have the Leave campaign's best interests at heart. Or maybe she is just a poor strategist. Hard to tell really.
She is a three-dimensional chess grandmaster, who defeated a bunch of ambitious and ruthless Tories to Prime Minister without appearing to be interested or even try, and is always one move ahead. And who survived in the Home Office longer than anyone and, almost uniquely, left the job for a promotion. We lesser mortals can either struggle to wrap our minds around the extra dimension, or just stand back in wonder. Maybe she will engineer things so that we remain, and she escapes any blame, who knows?
May is the master at sit and wait. She will sit and wait, watching everyone dance, until she is no longer able to sit and wait.
It has served her well so far. But it's not necessarily the right strategy to deliver Brexit.
Can the Lords reject the result of a debate in the Commons? It was in the Conservative Manifesto to hold a referendum and honour the result, and under the Salisbury Convention they are not supposed to reject measures in manifestos passed by the Commons.
Can the Lords reject the result of a debate in the Commons? It was in the Conservative Manifesto to hold a referendum and honour the result, and under the Salisbury Convention they are not supposed to reject measures in manifestos passed by the Commons.
Can they? Yes. The Lib Dems have explicitly disavowed the Salisbury Convention, which remains just a convention.
Mrs May makes it a vote of confidence. The Labour peers dare not stop a Bill that would result in an absolute massacring of their party in the ensuing general.
Also, remember that even LibDems such as Vince Cable and Paddy Ashdown have said the vote must be respected.
But even in those circumstances May would require Corbyn's co-operation re-the timing of an election. He could still frustrate her plans for at least a few weeks.
It's all an irrelevency BECAUSE THE ARTICLE 50 ENABLING BILL WOULD BE PASSED 550 to 100!
Step away from the gin bottle, Robert
Damn it.
I see stupidity all around.
Cognitive dissonance has set in among my fellow Leavers. They honestly think a vote would be lost.
It would not. Name one MP in a Leave voting area that would vote against the Article 50 Enabling Bill? Oh wait, there are none. Even Paddy and Vince say "accept the result". 99% of Conservatives and the vast bulk of non-Conservatives (except perhaps the SNP) would accept the views of the people.
Not getting it through the Commons now is a monumental mistake that may come back to haunt this government and the whole Brexit cause.
Uhm, no, I just don't see the urgency for a vote. I really don't believe Brexit can be reversed in any likely scenario.
@rcs1000 is right about the dynamics. Already we see the public abandoning the idea of prioritising ending freedom of movement over the single market (though the referendum was won off the back of shutting the borders to nasty foreigners) and believing that Brexit will make them poorer. It's easy to see how that could quite quickly develop into a firm public view that after all Brexit shouldn't happen, especially if the economic weather gets stormier. From a Leaver viewpoint, the Rubicon needs to be crossed early.
Of course, Mrs May supported Remain so perhaps she doesn't have the Leave campaign's best interests at heart. Or maybe she is just a poor strategist. Hard to tell really.
After Hammond's very sensible remarks about migration yesterday, he's been slapped down by May.
Andrew Lilico, Leaver economist, is also aghast: "The UK govt's managing of its PR with EU voters seems inept so far. We shld be smothering our partners, their firms & their citizens in love."
There's a man who doesn't understand the basics - the more needy you appear, the less attractive you are.
Theresa May tells the 27 EU members she will not rubber stamp EU decisions at meetings the UK are not present at.
The arrogance of the 27 who think they can exclude us while we are still full members and paying in have come up against a UK leader who will not be a walk over. Well done Theresa
27 countries defending their collective interests is "arrogance". 1 country trying to lecture the other 27 is plucky Britain standing up for itself... Sheesh, you still don't get the fact that Mrs May is massively mishandling this do you? The appointment of the three Brexiteers has not gone down too well elsewhere and the "Citizen of Nowhere" speech has not gone down too well with a very large number of people in the UK. The City is furious. Billions of Pounds just walked out the door and several million jobs are now at risk as inward investment evaporates. Meanwhile the UK housing market is one step from the abyss, to be followed in short order by another banking crisis. Even the offshore billionaires that control most of the U.K. Press are going to toil to gloss over the earthquake that is coming. Still, good thing you took your country back, hope it goes well.
Their talks a classic remoaner and top notch doom monger.
You lost and the UK will exert it's legal right to take full part in EU decisions upto it's exit and when we stop paying in to Juncker's undemocratic gravy train
Not sure I need to take a lecture from someone who confuses "their" with "there". However let me humour you. Not great tactics to continually insult the side you are going to have to negotiate with- and that is exactly what is happening now. The 27 will take ever less notice of the U.K.- in their own natonal interests. Even our former friends, like Sweden or Estonia are aligning away from the UK. People on this side of the channel do read the Express, Mail et al, and the basic assumption is that the UK has lost it. If Brexit really does mean a Hard Brexit, then the UK is in deep trouble. The U.K. Risk premium has just been permanently repriced: Sterling down and Interest rates up, with inbound investment down for the foreseeable future. Not, I am afraid doom mongering, but description. So, keep taking your brief from the Mail and "the rise of a new Britain" by all means, but I suspect that with Scotland restive, and the economy overall in the toilet, that a whole load of people will be rowing back from Brexit triumphalism as fast as they can.
The EU is failing and it cannot just ignore the UK if it is inconvenient. We will be heard and will not be intimidated by unelected officials and remainer's who simply want to subvert the will of the people.
Furthermore your response is demeaning and unnecessary
''So, keep taking your brief from the Mail and "the rise of a new Britain" by all means, but I suspect that with Scotland restive, and the economy overall in the toilet, that a whole load of people will be rowing back from Brexit triumphalism as fast as they can.''
Must be great to live in Europe. Are you in one of those parts where youth unemployment is close to 50%? Or in one where the banking system has essentially collapsed? Or when with high racial tensions? Or one where it seems terror plots are thwarted on a daily basis? or one with massed PEGIDA marches? Or one where the far right is sweeping the towns?
Yeah Europe. Over there they've REALLY got things sorted.
I kind of miss the last couple of by-elections. Newark, Clacton and Rochester were quite interesting to follow. Doubt we will have similar excitement for a while.
It will be announced that there is a recount. Mad panic at PB.com. Then it will turn out that a candidate was just short of losing their deposit.
Result expected around 2am unless, haha, there are recounts.
Thank you! I'm about to eat, sadly unaccompanied, at my favourite chef's new London gaff after looking at some of the most beautiful books currently for sale on Europe at 2 Temple Place. Think I might wait up for the result.
Mrs May makes it a vote of confidence. The Labour peers dare not stop a Bill that would result in an absolute massacring of their party in the ensuing general.
Also, remember that even LibDems such as Vince Cable and Paddy Ashdown have said the vote must be respected.
But even in those circumstances May would require Corbyn's co-operation re-the timing of an election. He could still frustrate her plans for at least a few weeks.
Not just that, with the new wording in the FTPA there is no "vote of confidence in the government's policy of X" any more, a vote of confidence is now a stand alone motion, so it's perfectly possible for an opposition to reject the substantive motion X and the pass the confidence motion immediately afterwards.
It's all an irrelevency BECAUSE THE ARTICLE 50 ENABLING BILL WOULD BE PASSED 550 to 100!
Step away from the gin bottle, Robert
Damn it.
I see stupidity all around.
Cognitive dissonance has set in among my fellow Leavers. They honestly think a vote would be lost.
It would not. Name one MP in a Leave voting area that would vote against the Article 50 Enabling Bill? Oh wait, there are none. Even Paddy and Vince say "accept the result". 99% of Conservatives and the vast bulk of non-Conservatives (except perhaps the SNP) would accept the views of the people.
Not getting it through the Commons now is a monumental mistake that may come back to haunt this government and the whole Brexit cause.
LD MP Tom Brake whose Carshalton and Wallington constituency voted 56-44 leave butis an ardent remainer still.
''So, keep taking your brief from the Mail and "the rise of a new Britain" by all means, but I suspect that with Scotland restive, and the economy overall in the toilet, that a whole load of people will be rowing back from Brexit triumphalism as fast as they can.''
Must be great to live in Europe. Are you in one of those parts where youth unemployment is close to 50%? Or in one where the banking system has essentially collapsed? Or when with high racial tensions? Or one where it seems terror plots are thwarted on a daily basis? or one with massed PEGIDA marches? Or one where the far right is sweeping the towns?
Yeah Europe. Over there they've REALLY got things sorted.
Keep going. European countries *love* to hear how shite they are from the dusty pits where they wait for apocalyptic fire to end.
Edit: Deleted the inflammatory bits.
Seriously though, this image you have of Europe is verging on defamatory.
I kind of miss the last couple of by-elections. Newark, Clacton and Rochester were quite interesting to follow. Doubt we will have similar excitement for a while.
It will be announced that there is a recount. Mad panic at PB.com. Then it will turn out that a candidate was just short of losing their deposit.
Mrs May makes it a vote of confidence. The Labour peers dare not stop a Bill that would result in an absolute massacring of their party in the ensuing general.
Also, remember that even LibDems such as Vince Cable and Paddy Ashdown have said the vote must be respected.
But even in those circumstances May would require Corbyn's co-operation re-the timing of an election. He could still frustrate her plans for at least a few weeks.
Not just that, with the new wording in the FTPA there is no "vote of confidence in the government's policy of X" any more, a vote of confidence is now a stand alone motion, so it's perfectly possible for an opposition to reject the substantive motion X and the pass the confidence motion immediately afterwards.
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@rcs1000 is right about the dynamics. Already we see the public abandoning the idea of prioritising ending freedom of movement over the single market (though the referendum was won off the back of shutting the borders to nasty foreigners) and believing that Brexit will make them poorer. It's easy to see how that could quite quickly develop into a firm public view that after all Brexit shouldn't happen, especially if the economic weather gets stormier. From a Leaver viewpoint, the Rubicon needs to be crossed early.
Of course, Mrs May supported Remain so perhaps she doesn't have the Leave campaign's best interests at heart. Or maybe she is just a poor strategist. Hard to tell really.
She is a three-dimensional chess grandmaster, who defeated a bunch of ambitious and ruthless Tories to Prime Minister without appearing to be interested or even try, and is always one move ahead. And who survived in the Home Office longer than anyone and, almost uniquely, left the job for a promotion. We lesser mortals can either struggle to wrap our minds around the extra dimension, or just stand back in wonder. Maybe she will engineer things so that we remain, and she escapes any blame, who knows?
May is the master at sit and wait. She will sit and wait, watching everyone dance, until she is no longer able to sit and wait.
It has served her well so far. But it's not necessarily the right strategy to deliver Brexit.
I subscribe to the early view of TM: that her appointment of Fox and Davis demonstrates that she has a highly evolved sense of humour. She will make them demonstrate the viability of extreme hard Brexit and to point to business support. They will fail of course and she will then take it from there.
''So, keep taking your brief from the Mail and "the rise of a new Britain" by all means, but I suspect that with Scotland restive, and the economy overall in the toilet, that a whole load of people will be rowing back from Brexit triumphalism as fast as they can.''
Must be great to live in Europe. Are you in one of those parts where youth unemployment is close to 50%? Or in one where the banking system has essentially collapsed? Or when with high racial tensions? Or one where it seems terror plots are thwarted on a daily basis? or one with massed PEGIDA marches? Or one where the far right is sweeping the towns?
Yeah Europe. Over there they've REALLY got things sorted.
'Then the PM will ennoble 150 more Lords and push it through.'
Amazing how Lib Dems are becoming fans of the unelected House of Lords,I guess after their various attempts to try and subvert the referendum vote we shouldn't be surprised.
Mrs May makes it a vote of confidence. The Labour peers dare not stop a Bill that would result in an absolute massacring of their party in the ensuing general.
Also, remember that even LibDems such as Vince Cable and Paddy Ashdown have said the vote must be respected.
But even in those circumstances May would require Corbyn's co-operation re-the timing of an election. He could still frustrate her plans for at least a few weeks.
Not just that, with the new wording in the FTPA there is no "vote of confidence in the government's policy of X" any more, a vote of confidence is now a stand alone motion, so it's perfectly possible for an opposition to reject the substantive motion X and the pass the confidence motion immediately afterwards.
It's all an irrelevency BECAUSE THE ARTICLE 50 ENABLING BILL WOULD BE PASSED 550 to 100!
Step away from the gin bottle, Robert
Damn it.
I see stupidity all around.
Cognitive dissonance has set in among my fellow Leavers. They honestly think a vote would be lost.
It would not. Name one MP in a Leave voting area that would vote against the Article 50 Enabling Bill? Oh wait, there are none. Even Paddy and Vince say "accept the result". 99% of Conservatives and the vast bulk of non-Conservatives (except perhaps the SNP) would accept the views of the people.
Not getting it through the Commons now is a monumental mistake that may come back to haunt this government and the whole Brexit cause.
LD MP Tom Brake whose Carshalton and Wallington constituency voted 56-44 leave butis an ardent remainer still.
I kind of miss the last couple of by-elections. Newark, Clacton and Rochester were quite interesting to follow. Doubt we will have similar excitement for a while.
It will be announced that there is a recount. Mad panic at PB.com. Then it will turn out that a candidate was just short of losing their deposit.
Is the count straight away ir in the morning?
Overnight, we have been told (someone, can't remember who, looked it up on the council website).
Mrs May makes it a vote of confidence. The Labour peers dare not stop a Bill that would result in an absolute massacring of their party in the ensuing general.
Also, remember that even LibDems such as Vince Cable and Paddy Ashdown have said the vote must be respected.
But even in those circumstances May would require Corbyn's co-operation re-the timing of an election. He could still frustrate her plans for at least a few weeks.
Not just that, with the new wording in the FTPA there is no "vote of confidence in the government's policy of X" any more, a vote of confidence is now a stand alone motion, so it's perfectly possible for an opposition to reject the substantive motion X and the pass the confidence motion immediately afterwards.
It's all an irrelevency BECAUSE THE ARTICLE 50 ENABLING BILL WOULD BE PASSED 550 to 100!
Step away from the gin bottle, Robert
Damn it.
I see stupidity all around.
Cognitive dissonance has set in among my fellow Leavers. They honestly think a vote would be lost.
It would not. Name one MP in a Leave voting area that would vote against the Article 50 Enabling Bill? Oh wait, there are none. Even Paddy and Vince say "accept the result". 99% of Conservatives and the vast bulk of non-Conservatives (except perhaps the SNP) would accept the views of the people.
Not getting it through the Commons now is a monumental mistake that may come back to haunt this government and the whole Brexit cause.
LD MP Tom Brake whose Carshalton and Wallington constituency voted 56-44 leave butis an ardent remainer still.
''So, keep taking your brief from the Mail and "the rise of a new Britain" by all means, but I suspect that with Scotland restive, and the economy overall in the toilet, that a whole load of people will be rowing back from Brexit triumphalism as fast as they can.''
Must be great to live in Europe. Are you in one of those parts where youth unemployment is close to 50%? Or in one where the banking system has essentially collapsed? Or when with high racial tensions? Or one where it seems terror plots are thwarted on a daily basis? or one with massed PEGIDA marches? Or one where the far right is sweeping the towns?
Yeah Europe. Over there they've REALLY got things sorted.
Keep going. European countries *love* to hear how shite they are from the dusty pits where they wait for apocalyptic fire to end.
Edit: Deleted the inflammatory bits.
Seriously though, this image you have of Europe is verging on defamatory.
Just as a matter of interest what is defamatory about 'Taffys' comments
''So, keep taking your brief from the Mail and "the rise of a new Britain" by all means, but I suspect that with Scotland restive, and the economy overall in the toilet, that a whole load of people will be rowing back from Brexit triumphalism as fast as they can.''
Must be great to live in Europe. Are you in one of those parts where youth unemployment is close to 50%? Or in one where the banking system has essentially collapsed? Or when with high racial tensions? Or one where it seems terror plots are thwarted on a daily basis? or one with massed PEGIDA marches? Or one where the far right is sweeping the towns?
Yeah Europe. Over there they've REALLY got things sorted.
Keep going. European countries *love* to hear how shite they are from the dusty pits where they wait for apocalyptic fire to end.
Edit: Deleted the inflammatory bits.
Seriously though, this image you have of Europe is verging on defamatory.
Just as a matter of interest what is defamatory about 'Taffys' comments
As a picture of Europe, it is positively Breitbartian.
I kind of miss the last couple of by-elections. Newark, Clacton and Rochester were quite interesting to follow. Doubt we will have similar excitement for a while.
It will be announced that there is a recount. Mad panic at PB.com. Then it will turn out that a candidate was just short of losing their deposit.
Is the count straight away ir in the morning?
Overnight, we have been told (someone, can't remember who, looked it up on the council website).
Me. And, yes, if the count is straightforward expected 2 am or slightly later.
''So, keep taking your brief from the Mail and "the rise of a new Britain" by all means, but I suspect that with Scotland restive, and the economy overall in the toilet, that a whole load of people will be rowing back from Brexit triumphalism as fast as they can.''
Must be great to live in Europe. Are you in one of those parts where youth unemployment is close to 50%? Or in one where the banking system has essentially collapsed? Or when with high racial tensions? Or one where it seems terror plots are thwarted on a daily basis? or one with massed PEGIDA marches? Or one where the far right is sweeping the towns?
Yeah Europe. Over there they've REALLY got things sorted.
Keep going. European countries *love* to hear how shite they are from the dusty pits where they wait for apocalyptic fire to end.
Edit: Deleted the inflammatory bits.
Seriously though, this image you have of Europe is verging on defamatory.
Just as a matter of interest what is defamatory about 'Taffys' comments
As a picture of Europe, it is positively Breitbartian.
On topically speaking I think Trump, a bully, is not comfortable unless his audience is fully supportive. The debates have of course included a range of voters in the audience. Trump has found a following, and so has taught the US establishment something perhaps. With regard to Brexit a similar realisation seemed to be the gist of Ms May's conference speech.
Mrs May makes it a vote of confidence. The Labour peers dare not stop a Bill that would result in an absolute massacring of their party in the ensuing general.
Also, remember that even LibDems such as Vince Cable and Paddy Ashdown have said the vote must be respected.
But even in those circumstances May would require Corbyn's co-operation re-the timing of an election. He could still frustrate her plans for at least a few weeks.
Not just that, with the new wording in the FTPA there is no "vote of confidence in the government's policy of X" any more, a vote of confidence is now a stand alone motion, so it's perfectly possible for an opposition to reject the substantive motion X and the pass the confidence motion immediately afterwards.
It's all an irrelevency BECAUSE THE ARTICLE 50 ENABLING BILL WOULD BE PASSED 550 to 100!
Step away from the gin bottle, Robert
Damn it.
I see stupidity all around.
Cognitive dissonance has set in among my fellow Leavers. They honestly think a vote would be lost.
It would not. Name one MP in a Leave voting area that would vote against the Article 50 Enabling Bill? Oh wait, there are none. Even Paddy and Vince say "accept the result". 99% of Conservatives and the vast bulk of non-Conservatives (except perhaps the SNP) would accept the views of the people.
Not getting it through the Commons now is a monumental mistake that may come back to haunt this government and the whole Brexit cause.
LD MP Tom Brake whose Carshalton and Wallington constituency voted 56-44 leave butis an ardent remainer still.
''So, keep taking your brief from the Mail and "the rise of a new Britain" by all means, but I suspect that with Scotland restive, and the economy overall in the toilet, that a whole load of people will be rowing back from Brexit triumphalism as fast as they can.''
Must be great to live in Europe. Are you in one of those parts where youth unemployment is close to 50%? Or in one where the banking system has essentially collapsed? Or when with high racial tensions? Or one where it seems terror plots are thwarted on a daily basis? or one with massed PEGIDA marches? Or one where the far right is sweeping the towns?
Yeah Europe. Over there they've REALLY got things sorted.
Keep going. European countries *love* to hear how shite they are from the dusty pits where they wait for apocalyptic fire to end.
Edit: Deleted the inflammatory bits.
Seriously though, this image you have of Europe is verging on defamatory.
Just as a matter of interest what is defamatory about 'Taffys' comments
As a picture of Europe, it is positively Breitbartian.
But why is it defamatory
Obviously you cannot defame a continent, I was talking figuratively. But if you think Taffys picture was accurate I suggest you travel more.
Don't worry, you won't be beset by a PEGIDA mob fleeing a collapsing financial system at Calais.
In early November I will be, officially, the first British journalist to see the new amazing 3D Lascaux complex. Two days ahead of Anthony Peregrine, of the Sunday Times
A week later I'm flying to the Gourmet Escape Food Festival in Margaret River Australia,
etc etc etc
My life is ridiculous. It's sometimes lonely. But also fantastic. We do what we do, then we die.
You do realise Sean you share many things in common with The Donald. A bit of comradely advice......not good.... always using hyperbole to describe how great you are. It makes you look desperate or sad, or pathetic, or a combination of the aforementioned.
Trump made this a referendum on himself by trying to hotshot a political career in less than two years which left him with little time to learn how to do things like debate and learn important facts quickly. He just binned all those steps and went straight to the end of the process of being a top statesman, the showy bits where he is on TV and gets to tell people what to do.
''So, keep taking your brief from the Mail and "the rise of a new Britain" by all means, but I suspect that with Scotland restive, and the economy overall in the toilet, that a whole load of people will be rowing back from Brexit triumphalism as fast as they can.''
Must be great to live in Europe. Are you in one of those parts where youth unemployment is close to 50%? Or in one where the banking system has essentially collapsed? Or when with high racial tensions? Or one where it seems terror plots are thwarted on a daily basis? or one with massed PEGIDA marches? Or one where the far right is sweeping the towns?
Yeah Europe. Over there they've REALLY got things sorted.
Keep going. European countries *love* to hear how shite they are from the dusty pits where they wait for apocalyptic fire to end.
Edit: Deleted the inflammatory bits.
Seriously though, this image you have of Europe is verging on defamatory.
Just as a matter of interest what is defamatory about 'Taffys' comments
As a picture of Europe, it is positively Breitbartian.
But why is it defamatory
Obviously you cannot defame a continent, I was talking figuratively. But if you think Taffys picture was accurate I suggest you travel more.
Don't worry, you won't be beset by a PEGIDA mob fleeing a collapsing financial system at Calais.
Travel more. I have visited every European and Scandanavian country, been round the world seven times in the last 9 years, visited Antarctica and enjoyed three weeks in Italy this summer.
Mrs May makes it a vote of confidence. The Labour peers dare not stop a Bill that would result in an absolute massacring of their party in the ensuing general.
Also, remember that even LibDems such as Vince Cable and Paddy Ashdown have said the vote must be respected.
But even in those circumstances May would require Corbyn's co-operation re-the timing of an election. He could still frustrate her plans for at least a few weeks.
Not just that, with the new wording in the FTPA there is no "vote of confidence in the government's policy of X" any more, a vote of confidence is now a stand alone motion, so it's perfectly possible for an opposition to reject the substantive motion X and the pass the confidence motion immediately afterwards.
It's all an irrelevency BECAUSE THE ARTICLE 50 ENABLING BILL WOULD BE PASSED 550 to 100!
And chucked out by the Lords.
RCS is right.
What Prime Minister would not fancy asking members on both sides of the house to accept the will of the people? This isn't defending drone strikes, it is the easiest speech to write.
In early November I will be, officially, the first British journalist to see the new amazing 3D Lascaux complex. Two days ahead of Anthony Peregrine, of the Sunday Times
A week later I'm flying to the Gourmet Escape Food Festival in Margaret River Australia,
etc etc etc
My life is ridiculous. It's sometimes lonely. But also fantastic. We do what we do, then we die.
You do realise Sean you share many things in common with The Donald. A bit of comradely advice......not good.... always using hyperbole to describe how great you are. It makes you look desperate or sad, or pathetic, or a combination of the aforementioned.
Trying to turn discussion on a political forum around to the wonderful life you are having, night after night, isn't a sign of good psychological health, to be sure.
In early November I will be, officially, the first British journalist to see the new amazing 3D Lascaux complex. Two days ahead of Anthony Peregrine, of the Sunday Times
A week later I'm flying to the Gourmet Escape Food Festival in Margaret River Australia,
etc etc etc
My life is ridiculous. It's sometimes lonely. But also fantastic. We do what we do, then we die.
You do realise Sean you share many things in common with The Donald. A bit of comradely advice......not good.... always using hyperbole to describe how great you are. It makes you look desperate or sad, or pathetic, or a combination of the aforementioned.
We have already agreed we are both appalling narcissists. The rest is detail.
I suppose it takes one to know one, and we'll leave it at that......
''So, keep taking your brief from the Mail and "the rise of a new Britain" by all means, but I suspect that with Scotland restive, and the economy overall in the toilet, that a whole load of people will be rowing back from Brexit triumphalism as fast as they can.''
Must be great to live in Europe. Are you in one of those parts where youth unemployment is close to 50%? Or in one where the banking system has essentially collapsed? Or when with high racial tensions? Or one where it seems terror plots are thwarted on a daily basis? or one with massed PEGIDA marches? Or one where the far right is sweeping the towns?
Yeah Europe. Over there they've REALLY got things sorted.
Keep going. European countries *love* to hear how shite they are from the dusty pits where they wait for apocalyptic fire to end.
Edit: Deleted the inflammatory bits.
Seriously though, this image you have of Europe is verging on defamatory.
Just as a matter of interest what is defamatory about 'Taffys' comments
As a picture of Europe, it is positively Breitbartian.
But why is it defamatory
Obviously you cannot defame a continent, I was talking figuratively. But if you think Taffys picture was accurate I suggest you travel more.
Don't worry, you won't be beset by a PEGIDA mob fleeing a collapsing financial system at Calais.
Travel more. I have visited every European and Scandanavian country, been round the world seven times in the last 9 years, visited Antarctica and enjoyed three weeks in Italy this summer.
Does that fit the bill for you
Very impressive.
Did you see any massed PEGIDA marches? Have any trouble withdrawing cash from the ATMs in Europe's "essentially collapsed" financial system?
Of course not.
In fact you enjoyed an undoubtedly very pleasant three weeks in Italy, a country which despite all its troubles is still very liveable.
My concern is that the kind of delusional talk from Taffy above fosters the worst kind of Brexit. Culturally insular and economically disastrous. Whatever happens, Europe is our neighbourhood. We need to work with them, not pour bile on them.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_jV7ocKGTAc
And even if May does engineer a general election, the Lords would try to block A50 anyway. After all, if they can ignore a referendum they can ignore an election.
Enough already. Alea iacta est.
You lost and the UK will exert it's legal right to take full part in EU decisions upto it's exit and when we stop paying in to Juncker's undemocratic gravy train
MPs can be ornery for longer than you can be logical.
I see stupidity all around.
Cognitive dissonance has set in among my fellow Leavers. They honestly think a vote would be lost.
It would not. Name one MP in a Leave voting area that would vote against the Article 50 Enabling Bill? Oh wait, there are none. Even Paddy and Vince say "accept the result". 99% of Conservatives and the vast bulk of non-Conservatives (except perhaps the SNP) would accept the views of the people.
Not getting it through the Commons now is a monumental mistake that may come back to haunt this government and the whole Brexit cause.
Firstly, any Conservative that voted against would be deselected.
Secondly, any Party that attempted to subvert the will of their own voters would get massacred.
Time is the enemy of Brexit, not MPs. The longer the gap since the referendum, the more politicians can rationalise not following its instructions.
Lots of local too on the beach. It is not a tourist ghetto.
Because - given the Queen is a Leaver - the PM can always create 100 new Leaver Lords (I'm willing to volunteer) and put through a different This Ones For Real Brexit Bill.
The idea that the Lords will come out against invocation and then cleverly conspire to prevent a General Election is ridiculous.
Time is the enemy of Brexit, because it means that politicians start to forget having heard the voice of the people. And it increases the possibility of events getting in the way,
The Article 50 Enabling Bill can go through the Commons (and the Lords) next week.
Of course, Mrs May supported Remain so perhaps she doesn't have the Leave campaign's best interests at heart. Or maybe she is just a poor strategist. Hard to tell really.
I'm not joking.
http://www.capitalgazette.com/news/elections/ph-ac-cn-arundel-election-poll-1020-20161019-story.html
They vote UKIP ?!?
It does have a real mix of African, Indian, French and British culture.
I liked it. I didn't realise how small I was until I was on the baggage carousel at Heathrow with the Aussie rugby team who were on the same flight back.
I kind of miss the last couple of by-elections. Newark, Clacton and Rochester were quite interesting to follow. Doubt we will have similar excitement for a while.
Hold an election on upholding the people's wishes against Lab and LD anti-democrats.
If the Lords still played silly afterwards, put forward a bill to abolish it.
Iain Martin is not impressed.
http://reaction.life/number-10-trying-chancellor/?sf
Andrew Lilico, Leaver economist, is also aghast:
"The UK govt's managing of its PR with EU voters seems inept so far. We shld be smothering our partners, their firms & their citizens in love."
*Yes, for honeymoon in December. Quite beautiful.
She will sit and wait, watching everyone dance, until she is no longer able to sit and wait.
It has served her well so far.
But it's not necessarily the right strategy to deliver Brexit.
Would they? I can't imagine so in practice.
nor an emf one.
unbelievable.
Furthermore your response is demeaning and unnecessary
Must be great to live in Europe. Are you in one of those parts where youth unemployment is close to 50%? Or in one where the banking system has essentially collapsed? Or when with high racial tensions? Or one where it seems terror plots are thwarted on a daily basis? or one with massed PEGIDA marches? Or one where the far right is sweeping the towns?
Yeah Europe. Over there they've REALLY got things sorted.
Then it will turn out that a candidate was just short of losing their deposit.
Edit: Deleted the inflammatory bits.
Seriously though, this image you have of Europe is verging on defamatory.
'Then the PM will ennoble 150 more Lords and push it through.'
Amazing how Lib Dems are becoming fans of the unelected House of Lords,I guess after their various attempts to try and subvert the referendum vote we shouldn't be surprised.
And I'm sure I did a 'Justified and Ancient' reference in another thread.
Don't worry, you won't be beset by a PEGIDA mob fleeing a collapsing financial system at Calais.
You do realise Sean you share many things in common with The Donald. A bit of comradely advice......not good.... always using hyperbole to describe how great you are. It makes you look desperate or sad, or pathetic, or a combination of the aforementioned.
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He just binned all those steps and went straight to the end of the process of being a top statesman, the showy bits where he is on TV and gets to tell people what to do.
Does that fit the bill for you
Here's some of their work
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRA93KWL1eY
Of course....Justified and Ancient and we live in Moo Moo Land with Tammy...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7i7Rn__3Mco
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtbrnPnHwqY
What Prime Minister would not fancy asking members on both sides of the house to accept the will of the people? This isn't defending drone strikes, it is the easiest speech to write.
Classic eighties electronica
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3856266/Syrian-doctor-says-return-war-ravaged-country-stay-UK.html
That's why I'm always nervous about these bets
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dGj9h8ggCc
Did you see any massed PEGIDA marches?
Have any trouble withdrawing cash from the ATMs in Europe's "essentially collapsed" financial system?
Of course not.
In fact you enjoyed an undoubtedly very pleasant three weeks in Italy, a country which despite all its troubles is still very liveable.
My concern is that the kind of delusional talk from Taffy above fosters the worst kind of Brexit. Culturally insular and economically disastrous. Whatever happens, Europe is our neighbourhood. We need to work with them, not pour bile on them.