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619 said:

https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/789161290325372928

third, like donald in utah

TheWhiteRabbit said:

I would have posted first, but I am the victim of a media stitch up, a government fix, and I had my internet cut by Ecuador.

TheWhiteRabbit said:

I would have posted first, but I am the victim of a media stitch up, a government fix, and I had my internet cut by Ecuador.

PlatoSaid said:

A man twitter is shadow banning. This whole thing is bizarre. And twitter is - I've seen it myself.

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/152067706781/i-score-the-third-debate

TheScreamingEagles said:

619 said:

https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/789161290325372928

third, like donald in utah

Mothertucker (sic).

Are we on course for a landslide of Reagan v Mondale proportions?

rottenborough said:

DavidL said:

He who hesitates is lost. The perils of refreshing.

I did not watch the third debate but the snippets I have seen show Hilary with Donald on toast. Her comments about every defeat for Trump being a fix were pretty brutal. Her comments on her "bringing Bin Laden to justice" (aka assassination) when he was conducting celebrity apprentice were cutting. From these snippets, which may not show the whole story, she has his measure and outclasses him as a debater.

which isn't a surprise. The guy wont even bother to practice. Because "I'm so good at debating, you won't believe it" etc etc. He has to be the worst candidate in US election history.

TheScreamingEagles said:

619 said:

https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/789161290325372928

third, like donald in utah

Mothertucker (sic).

Are we on course for a landslide of Reagan v Mondale proportions?

taffys said:

I said I wouldn't post any more on Potus 2016, but here's one final parting shot...

The last Ohio poll was 45/45. And yet look at the number for 'country's on the wrong track'

60-odd/ 30-odd for the 'wrong track'

Now, in what world to people who want to change the direction of the country vote for Hillary Clinton? she is the continuity candidate to end all continuity candidates. She is Mrs 'as you were'

Just sayin'

MarqueeMark said:

rottenborough said:

DavidL said:

He who hesitates is lost. The perils of refreshing.

I did not watch the third debate but the snippets I have seen show Hilary with Donald on toast. Her comments about every defeat for Trump being a fix were pretty brutal. Her comments on her "bringing Bin Laden to justice" (aka assassination) when he was conducting celebrity apprentice were cutting. From these snippets, which may not show the whole story, she has his measure and outclasses him as a debater.

which isn't a surprise. The guy wont even bother to practice. Because "I'm so good at debating, you won't believe it" etc etc. He has to be the worst candidate in US election history.

The tragedy of that is he is giving Hillary a free ride, when she really should be explaining her long string of failures.

Scott_P said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Theresa May tells the 27 EU members she will not rubber stamp EU decisions at meetings the UK are not present at.

The arrogance of the 27 who think they can exclude us while we are still full members and paying in have come up against a UK leader who will not be a walk over. Well done Theresa

@faisalislam: EU source to @skynews - Tusk replied to the PM: all this is a result of the Brexit vote, and the EU 27 WILL keep meeting

rcs1000 said:

taffys said:

Tweet from Douglas Carswell...LOL

"Trump refusing to accept US election result would be a bit like some UK Remain MPs and lawyers trying to subvert referendum result"

Yet a vote in parliament on an Article 50 Enabling Bill would be passed 550 to 100 (or more). Mrs May is having a totally unnecessary fight, and one that endangers Brexit.

The more MPs that have demonstrated a commitment to following the will of the people, the less likely there is to be backsliding later.

There seems to be this idea that standing up against the legal challenge somehow increases the chance of Brexit, and prevents MPs stopping it. In fact, it does the opposite. Because an MP who hasn't voted for it, will find it much easier to walk away from Article 50 in 2018 if the UK is in a nasty recession.

JohnWheatley said:

Turn out in by election here in Witney likely to be significantly down on 2015, I have heard from several places

Key talking point today in the town is the sheer scale of the Lib Dem effort. They are all over the place in Witney itself and very visible. They had 250 volunteers one day over the weekend

Having been on the receiving end of the literature blizzard, I do feel that tactic's time may be over. We are the cusp between when paper communication dominated and before electronic completely takes over. No real appropriate equivalent electronically. Paper reaches the older voters (who vote) but doesn't reach younger voters (who don't)

Expecting a UKIP collapse - the 50/1 to come second now looks short odds

rcs1000 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

rcs1000 said:

taffys said:

Tweet from Douglas Carswell...LOL

"Trump refusing to accept US election result would be a bit like some UK Remain MPs and lawyers trying to subvert referendum result"

Yet a vote in parliament on an Article 50 Enabling Bill would be passed 550 to 100 (or more). Mrs May is having a totally unnecessary fight, and one that endangers Brexit.

The more MPs that have demonstrated a commitment to following the will of the people, the less likely there is to be backsliding later.

There seems to be this idea that standing up against the legal challenge somehow increases the chance of Brexit, and prevents MPs stopping it. In fact, it does the opposite. Because an MP who hasn't voted for it, will find it much easier to walk away from Article 50 in 2018 if the UK is in a nasty recession.

How can they walk away from A50 in 2018 if its been served by March 2017

The threat to Brexit is the government falling during the negotiating period and being replaced by a pro-EU one. Whatever the treaties say, Article 50 can be rescinded by the EU just agreeing to an indefinite extension. And wouldn't they love to do that? See, the UK wanted to Leave, but then realised what a disaster it was, they'd say.

We need to get as many people committed to Brexit as possible. We need as many people as possible to walk through the lobby and affirm the will of the people. An MP that voted on the Article 50 Enabling Bill will find it much harder to change his mind later. One who hasn't will find it much easier to flex.

Not only that, but an Article 50 Enabling Bill passed 550 to 100 makes it clear to the EU how committed the political class in the UK is.

Mrs May is fighting an unecessary battle that endangers Brexit, and makes the possibility of a successful negotiation less likely.

Jonathan said:

AndyJS said:

JohnWheatley said:

Turn out in by election here in Witney likely to be significantly down on 2015, I have heard from several places

Key talking point today in the town is the sheer scale of the Lib Dem effort. They are all over the place in Witney itself and very visible. They had 250 volunteers one day over the weekend

Having been on the receiving end of the literature blizzard, I do feel that tactic's time may be over. We are the cusp between when paper communication dominated and before electronic completely takes over. No real appropriate equivalent electronically. Paper reaches the older voters (who vote) but doesn't reach younger voters (who don't)

Expecting a UKIP collapse - the 50/1 to come second now looks short odds

Someone else was reporting earlier that turnout was surprisingly good for a by-election.

That might point to a safe con hold.

IanB2 said:

rcs1000 said:

taffys said:

Tweet from Douglas Carswell...LOL

"Trump refusing to accept US election result would be a bit like some UK Remain MPs and lawyers trying to subvert referendum result"

Yet a vote in parliament on an Article 50 Enabling Bill would be passed 550 to 100 (or more). Mrs May is having a totally unnecessary fight, and one that endangers Brexit.

The more MPs that have demonstrated a commitment to following the will of the people, the less likely there is to be backsliding later.

There seems to be this idea that standing up against the legal challenge somehow increases the chance of Brexit, and prevents MPs stopping it. In fact, it does the opposite. Because an MP who hasn't voted for it, will find it much easier to walk away from Article 50 in 2018 if the UK is in a nasty recession.

So maybe May is playing her chess in three dimensions whilst we are looking at a flat board? You never know.

williamglenn said:

IanB2 said:

rcs1000 said:

taffys said:

Tweet from Douglas Carswell...LOL

"Trump refusing to accept US election result would be a bit like some UK Remain MPs and lawyers trying to subvert referendum result"

Yet a vote in parliament on an Article 50 Enabling Bill would be passed 550 to 100 (or more). Mrs May is having a totally unnecessary fight, and one that endangers Brexit.

The more MPs that have demonstrated a commitment to following the will of the people, the less likely there is to be backsliding later.

There seems to be this idea that standing up against the legal challenge somehow increases the chance of Brexit, and prevents MPs stopping it. In fact, it does the opposite. Because an MP who hasn't voted for it, will find it much easier to walk away from Article 50 in 2018 if the UK is in a nasty recession.

So maybe May is playing her chess in three dimensions whilst we are looking at a flat board? You never know.

If she can pull off a reversal of Brexit she'll go down as one of the greats, even if she does nothing else.

rcs1000 said:

taffys said:

I said I wouldn't post any more on Potus 2016, but here's one final parting shot...

The last Ohio poll was 45/45. And yet look at the number for 'country's on the wrong track'

60-odd/ 30-odd for the 'wrong track'

Now, in what world to people who want to change the direction of the country vote for Hillary Clinton? she is the continuity candidate to end all continuity candidates. She is Mrs 'as you were'

Just sayin'

That's why the whole debate is about Trump's suitability. That's why Clinton's team has been so brilliant.

People are scared to vote for Donald, even though they want a change, because the Clinton machine has been utterly brilliant, and utterly ruthless.

rcs1000 said:

RobD said:

rcs1000 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

rcs1000 said:

taffys said:

Tweet from Douglas Carswell...LOL

"Trump refusing to accept US election result would be a bit like some UK Remain MPs and lawyers trying to subvert referendum result"

Yet a vote in parliament on an Article 50 Enabling Bill would be passed 550 to 100 (or more). Mrs May is having a totally unnecessary fight, and one that endangers Brexit.

The more MPs that have demonstrated a commitment to following the will of the people, the less likely there is to be backsliding later.

There seems to be this idea that standing up against the legal challenge somehow increases the chance of Brexit, and prevents MPs stopping it. In fact, it does the opposite. Because an MP who hasn't voted for it, will find it much easier to walk away from Article 50 in 2018 if the UK is in a nasty recession.

How can they walk away from A50 in 2018 if its been served by March 2017

The threat to Brexit is the government falling during the negotiating period and being replaced by a pro-EU one. Whatever the treaties say, Article 50 can be rescinded by the EU just agreeing to an indefinite extension. And wouldn't they love to do that? See, the UK wanted to Leave, but then realised what a disaster it was, they'd say.

We need to get as many people committed to Brexit as possible. We need as many people as possible to walk through the lobby and affirm the will of the people. An MP that voted on the Article 50 Enabling Bill will find it much harder to change his mind later. One who hasn't will find it much easier to flex.

Not only that, but an Article 50 Enabling Bill passed 550 to 100 makes it clear to the EU how committed the political class in the UK is.

Mrs May is fighting an unecessary battle that endangers Brexit, and makes the possibility of a successful negotiation less likely.

Doesn't that defeat the governments view that they can use the royal prerogative. Governments tend not to like giving up powers.

There is no analagous situation; the government is not going to be invoking any other treaty provisions to leave supra-national bodies (unless you think departing from the WTO or NATO is likely). So why bother?

rottenborough said:

PlatoSaid said:

A man twitter is shadow banning. This whole thing is bizarre. And twitter is - I've seen it myself.

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/152067706781/i-score-the-third-debate

Reading his blog post, I'd say he is one step away from believing that lizard men are controlling the electoral machines from a secret hideaway in Patagonia.

His cartoons are funny.

MarkHopkins said:

Scott_P said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Theresa May tells the 27 EU members she will not rubber stamp EU decisions at meetings the UK are not present at.

The arrogance of the 27 who think they can exclude us while we are still full members and paying in have come up against a UK leader who will not be a walk over. Well done Theresa

@faisalislam: EU source to @skynews - Tusk replied to the PM: all this is a result of the Brexit vote, and the EU 27 WILL keep meeting

The Brexit vote is meaningless to the EU.

Remember they said nothing should happen until after A50 is enacted.

So why are they doing anything different?

Alistair said:

rottenborough said:

PlatoSaid said:

A man twitter is shadow banning. This whole thing is bizarre. And twitter is - I've seen it myself.

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/152067706781/i-score-the-third-debate

Reading his blog post, I'd say he is one step away from believing that lizard men are controlling the electoral machines from a secret hideaway in Patagonia.

His cartoons are funny.

He believes in affirmations. That is, if you write down a thing you want to happen 15 times every day then it will happen.

SeanT said:

Anecdote: oysters for lunch with smart Remainer friend. Haven't seen him for a while.

He was in shameful despair about the result in July, now doesn't care, just wants everyone to get on with Leaving, so we know where we are.

I wonder how many Remainers share these sentiments. Quite a few, I suspect.

AndyJS said:

JohnWheatley said:

Turn out in by election here in Witney likely to be significantly down on 2015, I have heard from several places

Key talking point today in the town is the sheer scale of the Lib Dem effort. They are all over the place in Witney itself and very visible. They had 250 volunteers one day over the weekend

Having been on the receiving end of the literature blizzard, I do feel that tactic's time may be over. We are the cusp between when paper communication dominated and before electronic completely takes over. No real appropriate equivalent electronically. Paper reaches the older voters (who vote) but doesn't reach younger voters (who don't)

Expecting a UKIP collapse - the 50/1 to come second now looks short odds

Someone else was reporting earlier that turnout was surprisingly good for a by-election.

justin124 said:

Does anyone know whether Labour tried to play the Coalition card against the LibDems at Witney?

justin124 said:

But even in those circumstances May would require Corbyn's co-operation re-the timing of an election. He could still frustrate her plans for at least a few weeks.

MarkSenior said:

AndyJS said:

JohnWheatley said:

Turn out in by election here in Witney likely to be significantly down on 2015, I have heard from several places

Key talking point today in the town is the sheer scale of the Lib Dem effort. They are all over the place in Witney itself and very visible. They had 250 volunteers one day over the weekend

Having been on the receiving end of the literature blizzard, I do feel that tactic's time may be over. We are the cusp between when paper communication dominated and before electronic completely takes over. No real appropriate equivalent electronically. Paper reaches the older voters (who vote) but doesn't reach younger voters (who don't)

Expecting a UKIP collapse - the 50/1 to come second now looks short odds

Someone else was reporting earlier that turnout was surprisingly good for a by-election.

The turnout can be both well down on the GE yet surprisingly good for a typical by election

AndyJS said:

MarkSenior said:

AndyJS said:

JohnWheatley said:

Turn out in by election here in Witney likely to be significantly down on 2015, I have heard from several places

Key talking point today in the town is the sheer scale of the Lib Dem effort. They are all over the place in Witney itself and very visible. They had 250 volunteers one day over the weekend

Having been on the receiving end of the literature blizzard, I do feel that tactic's time may be over. We are the cusp between when paper communication dominated and before electronic completely takes over. No real appropriate equivalent electronically. Paper reaches the older voters (who vote) but doesn't reach younger voters (who don't)

Expecting a UKIP collapse - the 50/1 to come second now looks short odds

Someone else was reporting earlier that turnout was surprisingly good for a by-election.

The turnout can be both well down on the GE yet surprisingly good for a typical by election

I know.

El_Capitano said:

justin124 said:

Does anyone know whether Labour tried to play the Coalition card against the LibDems at Witney?

Yes, Labour's big attack has been on the NHS and their leaflets have repeatedly referred to the Health and Social Care Act 2012 as a Tory/Lib Dem creation.

Indigo said:

rcs1000 said:

Yet a vote in parliament on an Article 50 Enabling Bill would be passed 550 to 100 (or more). Mrs May is having a totally unnecessary fight, and one that endangers Brexit.

She is (rightly) concerned that the House of Lords will throw it out and she will have to piss around for a year with the parliament act, which would then put the final leave in the same year as the next general election, giving her all the bad press and short term market reaction just when she doesnt need it.

rcs1000 said:

justin124 said:

But even in those circumstances May would require Corbyn's co-operation re-the timing of an election. He could still frustrate her plans for at least a few weeks.

So, he could delay the invocation of Article 50 (which, by the way, he supports) for a couple of weeks, at the expense of seeing himself lose half his seats.

The Lords would not delay an Article 50 Bill; nor would the Commons. She would either have a fabulous mandate, or a large majority.

Instead, she's made a point of principle out of something she'd win by a mile anyway.

Not only does it make it clear how weak she is, but it also endangers Brexit. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.

justin124 said:

rcs1000 said:

justin124 said:

But even in those circumstances May would require Corbyn's co-operation re-the timing of an election. He could still frustrate her plans for at least a few weeks.

So, he could delay the invocation of Article 50 (which, by the way, he supports) for a couple of weeks, at the expense of seeing himself lose half his seats.

The Lords would not delay an Article 50 Bill; nor would the Commons. She would either have a fabulous mandate, or a large majority.

Instead, she's made a point of principle out of something she'd win by a mile anyway.

Not only does it make it clear how weak she is, but it also endangers Brexit. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.

But he could force her to table a formal No Confidence vote in her own Government - which,in turn, could lead to the constitutional uncertainty discussed here a few days ago.