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I suspect a lot of people are taking notice.1666 said:Within a few years the EU will unravel because politicians have not allowed it to develop gradually. I know no one is taking notice but watch this space.
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From his workRobD said:
It's about a hundred under.Philip_Thompson said:
It wouldn't as Speaker/NI/Green etc aren't in the table. But the SNP row should add up to 54 and should almost all be Definite Remain (I could understand a tiny number being Probable Remain).RobD said:
Something's up as the table doesn't add up to 650.Philip_Thompson said:
12 SNP Definite Remains? Surely be definition it must be 54 SNP Remains?chestnut said:Leave/Remain by Constituency (Hanretty):
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More generally, this exercise allows us to make the following claims:
421 out of 574 English and Welsh constituencies probably voted to Leave
Of these, 270 English and Welsh constituencies almost definitely voted to Leave
152 constituencies probably voted to Remain.
Of these, half (76) almost definitely voted to Remain.
"Bear in mind that these results apply only to England, Wales, and selected Scottish seats."0 -
Oh we can thrive after Brexit. Our growth and success after the seventies are tangential to the EU; it was mainly the pain of moving from old industries to new. We don't have the same problem now.tyson said:Considering we joined the EU with our tail between our legs as the sick man of Europe, I struggle to imagine how we'll thrive this time after Brexit.
Before the referendum I said we could succeed or fail as either part of the EU or an independent state. We have IMO chosen a slightly harder route, but success is still perfectly possible. But the moment we start thinking we will be a failure, we will be.
Although we need to keep an eye out for the new new industries ...0 -
At the time we turned our backs on the Treaty of Rome the first time around in 1958, the two main parties were led by Harold Macmillan and Hugh Gaitskell.tyson said:Considering we joined the EU with our tail between our legs as the sick man of Europe, I struggle to imagine how we'll thrive this time after Brexit.
Now we have Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn, so any comparison with that period is unwarranted.0 -
Ah, thanks!chestnut said:
From his workRobD said:
It's about a hundred under.Philip_Thompson said:
It wouldn't as Speaker/NI/Green etc aren't in the table. But the SNP row should add up to 54 and should almost all be Definite Remain (I could understand a tiny number being Probable Remain).RobD said:
Something's up as the table doesn't add up to 650.Philip_Thompson said:
12 SNP Definite Remains? Surely be definition it must be 54 SNP Remains?chestnut said:Leave/Remain by Constituency (Hanretty):
Quote:
More generally, this exercise allows us to make the following claims:
421 out of 574 English and Welsh constituencies probably voted to Leave
Of these, 270 English and Welsh constituencies almost definitely voted to Leave
152 constituencies probably voted to Remain.
Of these, half (76) almost definitely voted to Remain.
"Bear in mind that these results apply only to England, Wales, and selected Scottish seats."0 -
Fair play to you sir. I regret that I wasn't able to do likewise. Your point about male role models at school is sound. My son - extremely unusually - has had two male primary school teachers in three years. They are still way too rare.JosiasJessop said:
Not as far as I've seen. I *hate* her with a deep passion because of it.GIN1138 said:
That was bad. Did she apologize?JosiasJessop said:
See my post below.GIN1138 said:
What on eatth has Mrs L done to to so upset you?JosiasJessop said:
Andrea Leadsom is a poisonous, misandric witch. The sooner she leaves parliament the better.Casino_Royale said:
I've always liked Andrea Leadsom.SeanT said:I am reaching the reluctant and mournful conclusion that Andrea Leadsom would have been BETTER than Theresa May.
And Boris would have been better still. He might have exploded the country but at least he'd be amusing.
TL;DR: she says employers should not employ male nannies as they might be paedophiles.
http://www.daynurseries.co.uk/news/article.cfm/id/1577238/andrea-leadsom-suggests-male-childcare-workers-might-be-paedophiles
It's a short step from that to people querying why I, a male, gave up work to look after a toddler. Nudge, nudge.
She's sick and unfit for parliament.
Being a man looking after a toddler can be hard. Amongst the vast majority of lovely people, you occasionally get questions like "why did you give up work?" or "Is your wife ill?" Comments such as hers help makes it worse.
Fortunately, a couple of our friends have since made the same decision. I'm a trend-setter.
There's another point as well. Sadly, many children are raised without a father at home. They then attend schools where, especially at primary school, male authority figures are a rarity. We need more men looking after children.
It's also very good for equality. It's also great fun, and I'd recommend it to any male PB reader. Take at least a year off. Yes, nappies are smelly, but I'd take a tonne of nappies over seeing our child's first smile, or his first step.
I've taken to lying, so Mrs J says: "Oh! He's just taken a step." I respond. "Wow! Has he?"
Oddly, women I talk to do the same thing for their husbands ...0 -
A lot of hispanics in TX.Jobabob said:
I mean Trump defeat obviouslyJobabob said:
Getting awfully close in TX. I need a long odds hedge against a Trump win but this just seems insane?JackW said:Texas - University of Houston - Sample 1000 - 7-13 Oct
Clinton 38 .. Trump 41
http://www.opb.org/news/series/election-2016/hillary-clinton-kate-brown-lead-in-new-opb-poll/0 -
I'd like to know if she applied the same caution to her own husband. After all, he's male, and you never know ...Chris said:
Not that cautious to admit publicly that's what you're doing, let alone encourage others to do it, considering that it's unlawful direct discrimination in the terms of the Equality Act.JosiasJessop said:
She said men should not be hired as nannies as they might be paedophiles.
"As an employer we’re not, let’s face it, most of us don’t employ men as nannies, most of us don’t. Now you can call that sexist, I call that cautious and very sensible when you look at the stats.0 -
A fair point, concisely madewilliamglenn said:
At the time we turned our backs on the Treaty of Rome the first time around in 1958, the two main parties were led by Harold Macmillan and Hugh Gaitskell.tyson said:Considering we joined the EU with our tail between our legs as the sick man of Europe, I struggle to imagine how we'll thrive this time after Brexit.
Now we have Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn, so any comparison with that period is unwarranted.0 -
The trend line from several pollsters put TX within the MoE and clearly the demographics of the state are moving blue. However I would be surprised if Clinton came within 5 points. That said she has added an ad spend to the state.Jobabob said:
Getting awfully close in TX. I need a long odds hedge against a Trump win but this just seems insane?JackW said:Texas - University of Houston - Sample 1000 - 7-13 Oct
Clinton 38 .. Trump 41
http://www.opb.org/news/series/election-2016/hillary-clinton-kate-brown-lead-in-new-opb-poll/0 -
By not electing socialists and sticking with the free market reforms that transformed our economy in the eighties.tyson said:Considering we joined the EU with our tail between our legs as the sick man of Europe, I struggle to imagine how we'll thrive this time after Brexit.
Absolutely if Labour get back in power then we will be straight back to the sick man of Europe but that has nothing to do with Europe.0 -
Is one of them the Chancellor?Sean_F said:
About 55, I'd say. But the main game remains Con vs Lab. The number of Tories who are really angry about Brexit is quite limited, as far as I can tell.SouthamObserver said:Out of interest, how many Tory MPs have seats in areas that voted Remain? If the LDs are doing well in Witney by making Brexit the central issue, that's potentially a significant warning sign for May should she be thinking about seeking a hard Brexit mandate - especially if UKIP's implosion means that Labour is safe in its heartlands.
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And they'll be rarer still with people like the loathsome Leadsom about (sorry, Casino Royale). IMO that should really have been the headline story from her interview, not the vile mothers rubbish.Jobabob said:
Fair play to you sir. I regret that I wasn't able to do likewise. Your point about male role models at school is sound. My son - extremely unusually - has had two male primary school teachers in three years. They are still way too rare.JosiasJessop said:
Not as far as I've seen. I *hate* her with a deep passion because of it.GIN1138 said:
That was bad. Did she apologize?JosiasJessop said:
See my post below.GIN1138 said:
What on eatth has Mrs L done to to so upset you?JosiasJessop said:
Andrea Leadsom is a poisonous, misandric witch. The sooner she leaves parliament the better.Casino_Royale said:
I've always liked Andrea Leadsom.SeanT said:I am reaching the reluctant and mournful conclusion that Andrea Leadsom would have been BETTER than Theresa May.
And Boris would have been better still. He might have exploded the country but at least he'd be amusing.
TL;DR: she says employers should not employ male nannies as they might be paedophiles.
http://www.daynurseries.co.uk/news/article.cfm/id/1577238/andrea-leadsom-suggests-male-childcare-workers-might-be-paedophiles
It's a short step from that to people querying why I, a male, gave up work to look after a toddler. Nudge, nudge.
She's sick and unfit for parliament.
Being a man looking after a toddler can be hard. Amongst the vast majority of lovely people, you occasionally get questions like "why did you give up work?" or "Is your wife ill?" Comments such as hers help makes it worse.
Fortunately, a couple of our friends have since made the same decision. I'm a trend-setter.
There's another point as well. Sadly, many children are raised without a father at home. They then attend schools where, especially at primary school, male authority figures are a rarity. We need more men looking after children.
It's also very good for equality. It's also great fun, and I'd recommend it to any male PB reader. Take at least a year off. Yes, nappies are smelly, but I'd take a tonne of nappies over seeing our child's first smile, or his first step.
I've taken to lying, so Mrs J says: "Oh! He's just taken a step." I respond. "Wow! Has he?"
Oddly, women I talk to do the same thing for their husbands ...0 -
Good for you.JosiasJessop said:
Not as far as I've seen. I *hate* her with a deep passion because of it.GIN1138 said:
That was bad. Did she apologize?JosiasJessop said:
See my post below.GIN1138 said:
What on eatth has Mrs L done to to so upset you?JosiasJessop said:
Andrea Leadsom is a poisonous, misandric witch. The sooner she leaves parliament the better.Casino_Royale said:
I've always liked Andrea Leadsom.SeanT said:I am reaching the reluctant and mournful conclusion that Andrea Leadsom would have been BETTER than Theresa May.
And Boris would have been better still. He might have exploded the country but at least he'd be amusing.
TL;DR: she says employers should not employ male nannies as they might be paedophiles.
http://www.daynurseries.co.uk/news/article.cfm/id/1577238/andrea-leadsom-suggests-male-childcare-workers-might-be-paedophiles
It's a short step from that to people querying why I, a male, gave up work to look after a toddler. Nudge, nudge.
She's sick and unfit for parliament.
Being a man looking after a toddler can be hard. Amongst the vast majority of lovely people, you occasionally get questions like "why did you give up work?" or "Is your wife ill?" Comments such as hers help makes it worse.
Fortunately, a couple of our friends have since made the same decision. I'm a trend-setter.
There's another point as well. Sadly, many children are raised without a father at home. They then attend schools where, especially at primary school, male authority figures are a rarity. We need more men looking after children.
It's also very good for equality. It's also great fun, and I'd recommend it to any male PB reader. Take at least a year off. Yes, nappies are smelly, but I'd take a tonne of nappies over seeing our child's first smile, or his first step.
I've taken to lying, so Mrs J says: "Oh! He's just taken a step." I respond. "Wow! Has he?"
Oddly, women I talk to do the same thing for their husbands ...
People should do whatever works best for them and their families.
Mean spirited, small-minded busy-bodies should mind their own business.0 -
On the contrary, if (Corbynite) Labour get back in power, it will be as a direct result of Brexit.Philip_Thompson said:
By not electing socialists and sticking with the free market reforms that transformed our economy in the eighties.tyson said:Considering we joined the EU with our tail between our legs as the sick man of Europe, I struggle to imagine how we'll thrive this time after Brexit.
Absolutely if Labour get back in power then we will be straight back to the sick man of Europe but that has nothing to do with Europe.0 -
Eh? Heathrow is the busiest two-runway airport in the world - by far. Gatwick is the busiest single runway airport in the world*. Stansted is in a shit location and has struggled to grow. Luton and London City? Whatever.Scott_P said:
Anyway, just because growth is less does not, by any stretch of the imagination, mean that there is no need for a new runway. The need remains immediate, and is acute. I conclude that Faisal is a moron.
* Used to be by far, but now being chased by Mumbai, which although it technically has two runways, can only use one at a time as they cross each other. Also, Mumbai Airport still uses BOM as its code, which is marvellous.0 -
Doesn't the mood on Twitter depend on who you follow?SquareRoot said:
.. and that's why you should never listen to twitter...Sunil_Prasannan said:
The mood on twitter in May 2015 was that Ed would be Prime Minister!Gardenwalker said:The mood on twitters .
Genuine question I've only ever dabbled with Twitter.0 -
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I can understand why you feel strongly. I don't agree with her view, and I note it was from the same disastrous interview that led to her withdrawing from the Conservative race, but I think it was naivety rather than malice.JosiasJessop said:
See my post below.GIN1138 said:
What on eatth has Mrs L done to to so upset you?JosiasJessop said:
Andrea Leadsom is a poisonous, misandric witch. The sooner she leaves parliament the better.Casino_Royale said:
I've always liked Andrea Leadsom.SeanT said:I am reaching the reluctant and mournful conclusion that Andrea Leadsom would have been BETTER than Theresa May.
And Boris would have been better still. He might have exploded the country but at least he'd be amusing.
TL;DR: she says employers should not employ male nannies as they might be paedophiles.
http://www.daynurseries.co.uk/news/article.cfm/id/1577238/andrea-leadsom-suggests-male-childcare-workers-might-be-paedophiles
It's a short step from that to people querying why I, a male, gave up work to look after a toddler. Nudge, nudge.
She's sick and unfit for parliament.0 -
The eurocrats just about kept the show on the road after the 2008 crash but for a while it was "touch and go" and I've seen nothing to suggest the next crash (whenever it is) won't be just as touch and go because the inherent flaws in the whole project are still the same.OllyT said:
Christ, how long have we been hearing about the EU and Euro collapsing.1666 said:When the EU collapses we will realise we were right to get out
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I assume having rumbled that they entered the country on false pretenses and intending to subvert the system we promptly threw them out again ? No ? Thought not.chestnut said:0 -
Trouble is a lot of people here are already thinking we will be a failure.JosiasJessop said:
Oh we can thrive after Brexit. Our growth and success after the seventies are tangential to the EU; it was mainly the pain of moving from old industries to new. We don't have the same problem now.tyson said:Considering we joined the EU with our tail between our legs as the sick man of Europe, I struggle to imagine how we'll thrive this time after Brexit.
Before the referendum I said we could succeed or fail as either part of the EU or an independent state. We have IMO chosen a slightly harder route, but success is still perfectly possible. But the moment we start thinking we will be a failure, we will be.
Although we need to keep an eye out for the new new industries ...
By biggest worry about Brexit is that we no longer have the confidence or national self-belief we need in ourselves to make a full success of it, and grasp its opportunities.0 -
Pedant away. Both times were, I think, by myself. I will suitably thrash myself with birch twigs later.rottenborough said:
A pedant writes:JosiasJessop said:
Well, I hope your Leadsom-radar has checked him for any latent signs of paedophilia; i.e. being male.rcs1000 said:
Our current babysitter is 20 year old Raff, who arrives on a skateboard, plays video games, and who my six year old son has decided "is cool".JosiasJessop said:
No, it's reasonable.Casino_Royale said:
What a nasty post.JosiasJessop said:
Andrea Leadsom is a poisonous, misandric witch. The sooner she leaves parliament the better.Casino_Royale said:
I've always liked Andrea Leadsom.SeanT said:I am reaching the reluctant and mournful conclusion that Andrea Leadsom would have been BETTER than Theresa May.
And Boris would have been better still. He might have exploded the country but at least he'd be amusing.
She said men should not be hired as nannies as they might be paedophiles.
"As an employer we’re not, let’s face it, most of us don’t employ men as nannies, most of us don’t. Now you can call that sexist, I call that cautious and very sensible when you look at the stats.
“Your odds are stacked against you if you employ a man. We know paedophiles are attracted to working with children. I’m sorry but they’re the facts.”
http://www.daynurseries.co.uk/news/article.cfm/id/1577238/andrea-leadsom-suggests-male-childcare-workers-might-be-paedophiles
Misandric? Yes. Poisonous? Yes I'll admit 'witch' is up to debate, but I'll stick with it; especially as I look after a child.
Sorry, but "misandric" has been used twice today on PB, but it's not a word.0 -
We are starting to see a few sensible comments about the future or otherwise of the EU.0
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Just bought a 5 TB hard drive for just over a hundred quid !
Wonder how many petabytes of data there are at Google towers these days...0 -
JosiasJessop said:
Pedant away. Both times were, I think, by myself. I will suitably thrash myself with birch twigs later.rottenborough said:
A pedant writes:JosiasJessop said:
Well, I hope your Leadsom-radar has checked him for any latent signs of paedophilia; i.e. being male.rcs1000 said:
Our current babysitter is 20 year old Raff, who arrives on a skateboard, plays video games, and who my six year old son has decided "is cool".JosiasJessop said:
No, it's reasonable.Casino_Royale said:
What a nasty post.JosiasJessop said:
Andrea Leadsom is a poisonous, misandric witch. The sooner she leaves parliament the better.Casino_Royale said:
I've always liked Andrea Leadsom.SeanT said:I am reaching the reluctant and mournful conclusion that Andrea Leadsom would have been BETTER than Theresa May.
And Boris would have been better still. He might have exploded the country but at least he'd be amusing.
She said men should not be hired as nannies as they might be paedophiles.
"As an employer we’re not, let’s face it, most of us don’t employ men as nannies, most of us don’t. Now you can call that sexist, I call that cautious and very sensible when you look at the stats.
“Your odds are stacked against you if you employ a man. We know paedophiles are attracted to working with children. I’m sorry but they’re the facts.”
http://www.daynurseries.co.uk/news/article.cfm/id/1577238/andrea-leadsom-suggests-male-childcare-workers-might-be-paedophiles
Misandric? Yes. Poisonous? Yes I'll admit 'witch' is up to debate, but I'll stick with it; especially as I look after a child.
Sorry, but "misandric" has been used twice today on PB, but it's not a word.
Well, there is f all on the telly tonight, so why not.0 -
She's an MP FFS.Casino_Royale said:
I can understand why you feel strongly. I don't agree with her view, and I note it was from the same disastrous interview that led to her withdrawing from the Conservative race, but I think it was naivety rather than malice.JosiasJessop said:
See my post below.GIN1138 said:
What on eatth has Mrs L done to to so upset you?JosiasJessop said:
Andrea Leadsom is a poisonous, misandric witch. The sooner she leaves parliament the better.Casino_Royale said:
I've always liked Andrea Leadsom.SeanT said:I am reaching the reluctant and mournful conclusion that Andrea Leadsom would have been BETTER than Theresa May.
And Boris would have been better still. He might have exploded the country but at least he'd be amusing.
TL;DR: she says employers should not employ male nannies as they might be paedophiles.
http://www.daynurseries.co.uk/news/article.cfm/id/1577238/andrea-leadsom-suggests-male-childcare-workers-might-be-paedophiles
It's a short step from that to people querying why I, a male, gave up work to look after a toddler. Nudge, nudge.
She's sick and unfit for parliament.
It's more than naivety. Leaving aside the general sh*tness of what she said, it's also illegal for employers to do as she suggests.
Why do you like her?0 -
Has Andrew Neil bitch slapped Faisal yet?Anorak said:
Eh? Heathrow is the busiest two-runway airport in the world - by far. Gatwick is the busiest single runway airport in the world*. Stansted is in a shit location and has struggled to grow. Luton and London City? Whatever.Scott_P said:
Anyway, just because growth is less does not, by any stretch of the imagination, mean that there is no need for a new runway. The need remains immediate, and is acute. I conclude that Faisal is a moron.
* Used to be by far, but now being chased by Mumbai, which although it technically has two runways, can only use one at a time as they cross each other. Also, Mumbai Airport still uses BOM as its code, which is marvellous.
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Thursday, surely?rottenborough said:JosiasJessop said:
Pedant away. Both times were, I think, by myself. I will suitably thrash myself with birch twigs later.rottenborough said:
A pedant writes:JosiasJessop said:
Well, I hope your Leadsom-radar has checked him for any latent signs of paedophilia; i.e. being male.rcs1000 said:
Our current babysitter is 20 year old Raff, who arrives on a skateboard, plays video games, and who my six year old son has decided "is cool".JosiasJessop said:
No, it's reasonable.Casino_Royale said:
What a nasty post.JosiasJessop said:
Andrea Leadsom is a poisonous, misandric witch. The sooner she leaves parliament the better.Casino_Royale said:
I've always liked Andrea Leadsom.SeanT said:I am reaching the reluctant and mournful conclusion that Andrea Leadsom would have been BETTER than Theresa May.
And Boris would have been better still. He might have exploded the country but at least he'd be amusing.
She said men should not be hired as nannies as they might be paedophiles.
"As an employer we’re not, let’s face it, most of us don’t employ men as nannies, most of us don’t. Now you can call that sexist, I call that cautious and very sensible when you look at the stats.
“Your odds are stacked against you if you employ a man. We know paedophiles are attracted to working with children. I’m sorry but they’re the facts.”
http://www.daynurseries.co.uk/news/article.cfm/id/1577238/andrea-leadsom-suggests-male-childcare-workers-might-be-paedophiles
Misandric? Yes. Poisonous? Yes I'll admit 'witch' is up to debate, but I'll stick with it; especially as I look after a child.
Sorry, but "misandric" has been used twice today on PB, but it's not a word.
Well, there is f all on the telly tonight, so why not.0 -
The trouble is that if we had the self-belief, we would be using our influence to reshape Europe at a pivotal moment, not turning our backs on it. Brexit and a self-confident Britain in 2016 are mutually exclusive concepts.Casino_Royale said:
Trouble is a lot of people here are already thinking we will be a failure.JosiasJessop said:
Oh we can thrive after Brexit. Our growth and success after the seventies are tangential to the EU; it was mainly the pain of moving from old industries to new. We don't have the same problem now.tyson said:Considering we joined the EU with our tail between our legs as the sick man of Europe, I struggle to imagine how we'll thrive this time after Brexit.
Before the referendum I said we could succeed or fail as either part of the EU or an independent state. We have IMO chosen a slightly harder route, but success is still perfectly possible. But the moment we start thinking we will be a failure, we will be.
Although we need to keep an eye out for the new new industries ...
By biggest worry about Brexit is that we no longer have the confidence or national self-belief we need in ourselves to make a full success of it, and grasp its opportunities.0 -
Synthetic biology, which the EU - through Its Directive 18 (2001) - essentially bans or makes simply too difficult to do in the EU.JosiasJessop said:
Oh we can thrive after Brexit. Our growth and success after the seventies are tangential to the EU; it was mainly the pain of moving from old industries to new. We don't have the same problem now.tyson said:Considering we joined the EU with our tail between our legs as the sick man of Europe, I struggle to imagine how we'll thrive this time after Brexit.
Before the referendum I said we could succeed or fail as either part of the EU or an independent state. We have IMO chosen a slightly harder route, but success is still perfectly possible. But the moment we start thinking we will be a failure, we will be.
Although we need to keep an eye out for the new new industries ...0 -
I agree. There's bound to be a little unease, as happens when a child takes the stabilisers off his bike. But we can cycle without them. (*)Casino_Royale said:
Trouble is a lot of people here are already thinking we will be a failure.JosiasJessop said:
Oh we can thrive after Brexit. Our growth and success after the seventies are tangential to the EU; it was mainly the pain of moving from old industries to new. We don't have the same problem now.tyson said:Considering we joined the EU with our tail between our legs as the sick man of Europe, I struggle to imagine how we'll thrive this time after Brexit.
Before the referendum I said we could succeed or fail as either part of the EU or an independent state. We have IMO chosen a slightly harder route, but success is still perfectly possible. But the moment we start thinking we will be a failure, we will be.
Although we need to keep an eye out for the new new industries ...
By biggest worry about Brexit is that we no longer have the confidence or national self-belief we need in ourselves to make a full success of it, and grasp its opportunities.
However, success is not guaranteed either. It's why I've been a little disMAYed by our new PM's first few months. She's not being pushy (aggressive?) enough.
(*) Worst. Analogy. Ever.0 -
Just because someone's an MP doesn't mean they can't hold all sorts of dotty views and opinions. In fact given the "odd" characters politics attracts in general I'd say the amount of MP's away with fairies is probably above the national average...JosiasJessop said:
She's an MP FFS.Casino_Royale said:
I can understand why you feel strongly. I don't agree with her view, and I note it was from the same disastrous interview that led to her withdrawing from the Conservative race, but I think it was naivety rather than malice.JosiasJessop said:
See my post below.GIN1138 said:
What on eatth has Mrs L done to to so upset you?JosiasJessop said:
Andrea Leadsom is a poisonous, misandric witch. The sooner she leaves parliament the better.Casino_Royale said:
I've always liked Andrea Leadsom.SeanT said:I am reaching the reluctant and mournful conclusion that Andrea Leadsom would have been BETTER than Theresa May.
And Boris would have been better still. He might have exploded the country but at least he'd be amusing.
TL;DR: she says employers should not employ male nannies as they might be paedophiles.
http://www.daynurseries.co.uk/news/article.cfm/id/1577238/andrea-leadsom-suggests-male-childcare-workers-might-be-paedophiles
It's a short step from that to people querying why I, a male, gave up work to look after a toddler. Nudge, nudge.
She's sick and unfit for parliament.
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Don't worry, he is going to further outline his argument in the next 11 tweets.Anorak said:
Eh? Heathrow is the busiest two-runway airport in the world - by far. Gatwick is the busiest single runway airport in the world*. Stansted is in a shit location and has struggled to grow. Luton and London City? Whatever.Scott_P said:
Anyway, just because growth is less does not, by any stretch of the imagination, mean that there is no need for a new runway. The need remains immediate, and is acute. I conclude that Faisal is a moron.
* Used to be by far, but now being chased by Mumbai, which although it technically has two runways, can only use one at a time as they cross each other. Also, Mumbai Airport still uses BOM as its code, which is marvellous.0 -
How many times have we heard that tune over decades? The EU is unreformable.williamglenn said:
The trouble is that if we had the self-belief, we would be using our influence to reshape Europe at a pivotal moment, not turning our backs on it. Brexit and a self-confident Britain in 2016 are mutually exclusive concepts.Casino_Royale said:
Trouble is a lot of people here are already thinking we will be a failure.JosiasJessop said:
Oh we can thrive after Brexit. Our growth and success after the seventies are tangential to the EU; it was mainly the pain of moving from old industries to new. We don't have the same problem now.tyson said:Considering we joined the EU with our tail between our legs as the sick man of Europe, I struggle to imagine how we'll thrive this time after Brexit.
Before the referendum I said we could succeed or fail as either part of the EU or an independent state. We have IMO chosen a slightly harder route, but success is still perfectly possible. But the moment we start thinking we will be a failure, we will be.
Although we need to keep an eye out for the new new industries ...
By biggest worry about Brexit is that we no longer have the confidence or national self-belief we need in ourselves to make a full success of it, and grasp its opportunities.
Now, we have no excuses, we are fully in control and the world is our oyster.0 -
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Completely disagreed. We did try to reshape Europe but they didn't listen so a self-confident Britain is walking away from a project that doesn't suit us and embracing a new world instead.williamglenn said:
The trouble is that if we had the self-belief, we would be using our influence to reshape Europe at a pivotal moment, not turning our backs on it. Brexit and a self-confident Britain in 2016 are mutually exclusive concepts.Casino_Royale said:
Trouble is a lot of people here are already thinking we will be a failure.JosiasJessop said:
Oh we can thrive after Brexit. Our growth and success after the seventies are tangential to the EU; it was mainly the pain of moving from old industries to new. We don't have the same problem now.tyson said:Considering we joined the EU with our tail between our legs as the sick man of Europe, I struggle to imagine how we'll thrive this time after Brexit.
Before the referendum I said we could succeed or fail as either part of the EU or an independent state. We have IMO chosen a slightly harder route, but success is still perfectly possible. But the moment we start thinking we will be a failure, we will be.
Although we need to keep an eye out for the new new industries ...
By biggest worry about Brexit is that we no longer have the confidence or national self-belief we need in ourselves to make a full success of it, and grasp its opportunities.
If Britain lacked self-confidence we'd still be in Europe as we'd cling to nurse.0 -
We have stood alone before and survived.0
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domino effect. Now texas looks close, clinton can put some resources into it...rottenborough said:
A lot of hispanics in TX.Jobabob said:
I mean Trump defeat obviouslyJobabob said:
Getting awfully close in TX. I need a long odds hedge against a Trump win but this just seems insane?JackW said:Texas - University of Houston - Sample 1000 - 7-13 Oct
Clinton 38 .. Trump 41
http://www.opb.org/news/series/election-2016/hillary-clinton-kate-brown-lead-in-new-opb-poll/0 -
A fair point, concisely madewilliamglenn said:
At the time we turned our backs on the Treaty of Rome the first time around in 1958, the two main parties were led by Harold Macmillan and Hugh Gaitskell.tyson said:Considering we joined the EU with our tail between our legs as the sick man of Europe, I struggle to imagine how we'll thrive this time after Brexit.
Now we have Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn, so any comparison with that period is unwarranted.
Within the admittedly poor parameters of PB, it's not as bad an analogy as you suggest.JosiasJessop said:
I agree. There's bound to be a little unease, as happens when a child takes the stabilisers off his bike. But we can cycle without them. (*)Casino_Royale said:
Trouble is a lot of people here are already thinking we will be a failure.JosiasJessop said:
Oh we can thrive after Brexit. Our growth and success after the seventies are tangential to the EU; it was mainly the pain of moving from old industries to new. We don't have the same problem now.tyson said:Considering we joined the EU with our tail between our legs as the sick man of Europe, I struggle to imagine how we'll thrive this time after Brexit.
Before the referendum I said we could succeed or fail as either part of the EU or an independent state. We have IMO chosen a slightly harder route, but success is still perfectly possible. But the moment we start thinking we will be a failure, we will be.
Although we need to keep an eye out for the new new industries ...
By biggest worry about Brexit is that we no longer have the confidence or national self-belief we need in ourselves to make a full success of it, and grasp its opportunities.
However, success is not guaranteed either. It's why I've been a little disMAYed by our new PM's first few months. She's not being pushy (aggressive?) enough.
(*) Worst. Analogy. Ever.
Theresa Maybe is like the weak willed father who never pushes his child on the bike without stabilisers, for fear his child might fall and be hurt.
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Explains why hanrrety was so slow to pickup the SNP surge in he only thinks there are 12 constituencies in ScotlandPhilip_Thompson said:
12 SNP Definite Remains? Surely be definition it must be 54 SNP Remains?chestnut said:Leave/Remain by Constituency (Hanretty):
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More generally, this exercise allows us to make the following claims:
421 out of 574 English and Welsh constituencies probably voted to Leave
Of these, 270 English and Welsh constituencies almost definitely voted to Leave
152 constituencies probably voted to Remain.
Of these, half (76) almost definitely voted to Remain.0 -
If Texas goes blue what possible route would the GOP have to the Presidency? Those are ECVs that the GOP can't afford to lose surely?619 said:
domino effect. Now texas looks close, clinton can put some resources into it...rottenborough said:
A lot of hispanics in TX.Jobabob said:
I mean Trump defeat obviouslyJobabob said:
Getting awfully close in TX. I need a long odds hedge against a Trump win but this just seems insane?JackW said:Texas - University of Houston - Sample 1000 - 7-13 Oct
Clinton 38 .. Trump 41
http://www.opb.org/news/series/election-2016/hillary-clinton-kate-brown-lead-in-new-opb-poll/0 -
Colorado - Magellan Strategies - Sample 500 - 12-13 Oct
Clinton 40 .. Trump 35
http://magellanstrategies.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Magellan-Strategies-Colorado-Presidential-and-US-Senate-Survey-Summary-101816.pdf0 -
She also said she had employed a male nanny for over five years after those remarks came out and said she doesn't think that men, or fathers, shouldn't be nannies.JosiasJessop said:
She's an MP FFS.Casino_Royale said:
I can understand why you feel strongly. I don't agree with her view, and I note it was from the same disastrous interview that led to her withdrawing from the Conservative race, but I think it was naivety rather than malice.JosiasJessop said:
See my post below.GIN1138 said:
What on eatth has Mrs L done to to so upset you?JosiasJessop said:
Andrea Leadsom is a poisonous, misandric witch. The sooner she leaves parliament the better.Casino_Royale said:
I've always liked Andrea Leadsom.SeanT said:I am reaching the reluctant and mournful conclusion that Andrea Leadsom would have been BETTER than Theresa May.
And Boris would have been better still. He might have exploded the country but at least he'd be amusing.
TL;DR: she says employers should not employ male nannies as they might be paedophiles.
http://www.daynurseries.co.uk/news/article.cfm/id/1577238/andrea-leadsom-suggests-male-childcare-workers-might-be-paedophiles
It's a short step from that to people querying why I, a male, gave up work to look after a toddler. Nudge, nudge.
She's sick and unfit for parliament.
It's more than naivety. Leaving aside the general sh*tness of what she said, it's also illegal for employers to do as she suggests.
Why do you like her?
It was the one interview. I would look for a pattern of behaviour. I think she does have a passion for child development, feels it personally, and not always logically, was under a lot of stress at that time and not thinking clearly. Also, clearly, the Times were looking to help skewer her leadership bid. As were many other Tories.
I like her natural, warm, personable style. I liked her performance on the Treasury select committees, when she grilled Bob Diamond, her standing up to George Osborne, her performance in the ITV debate, her leadership of the Fresh Start group and she put in a good performance on the Open Europe wargames on the EU renegotiation.
I certainly don't think she deserves the opprobrium heaped on her since, which I think is as much about her social conservatism as anything else.0 -
Agree with that.williamglenn said:
The trouble is that if we had the self-belief, we would be using our influence to reshape Europe at a pivotal moment, not turning our backs on it. Brexit and a self-confident Britain in 2016 are mutually exclusive concepts.Casino_Royale said:
Trouble is a lot of people here are already thinking we will be a failure.JosiasJessop said:
Oh we can thrive after Brexit. Our growth and success after the seventies are tangential to the EU; it was mainly the pain of moving from old industries to new. We don't have the same problem now.tyson said:Considering we joined the EU with our tail between our legs as the sick man of Europe, I struggle to imagine how we'll thrive this time after Brexit.
Before the referendum I said we could succeed or fail as either part of the EU or an independent state. We have IMO chosen a slightly harder route, but success is still perfectly possible. But the moment we start thinking we will be a failure, we will be.
Although we need to keep an eye out for the new new industries ...
By biggest worry about Brexit is that we no longer have the confidence or national self-belief we need in ourselves to make a full success of it, and grasp its opportunities.
My biggest fear is that we lack the confidence to stare down our own issues and address them.
The constituency for a delusional Daily Mail view of the world seems too large.
If we and our political class were honest about our educational, productivity, regional imbalances and industrial issues, I'd have confidence in our ability to fix them.
But we prefer to grizzle about asylum seekers, "Europe", and immigrants on one side, (and the privatisation of the NHS, Black Lives Matter, and Palestine on the other").
Not sure what it would take for "Tory Britain", by which I mean a complacent and outdated view of Britain's role in the world, to be shaken.0 -
Your last analogy is something of a stretch, to put it mildly, but I agree that there is an element of New York gloating about Brexit. London had completely eclipsed New York as THE world city. The feeling stateside is that Brexit will redress the balance. Maybe. It will be one of the saddest consequences of London's enforced departure from the Single Market.SeanT said:
I haven't read a single article in liberal New York media which attempts to explain to readers WHY Brexit happened, other than "xenophobia".rottenborough said:
I like the start of this article:Gardenwalker said:http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2016/10/18/brexit-death-of-british-business/
For those who want a bit of depressing reading from the NYRB: the decline in British industry since the 1950s, and how Brexit will make it worse.
Apparently we export only marginally more goods than BELGIUM.
"It is hard to exaggerate the scale of the disaster the British people have inflicted upon themselves with their decision to leave the European Union, taken in the referendum last June."
The sovereignty issue is simply ignored.
This could be briskly remedied by asking Americans how they would feel if the US Supreme Court sat in Mexico City, and conducted proceedings, and gave its rulings, solely in Spanish, as is the case with the ECJ and French.0 -
There is no possible route without TXPhilip_Thompson said:
If Texas goes blue what possible route would the GOP have to the Presidency? Those are ECVs that the GOP can't afford to lose surely?619 said:
domino effect. Now texas looks close, clinton can put some resources into it...rottenborough said:
A lot of hispanics in TX.Jobabob said:
I mean Trump defeat obviouslyJobabob said:
Getting awfully close in TX. I need a long odds hedge against a Trump win but this just seems insane?JackW said:Texas - University of Houston - Sample 1000 - 7-13 Oct
Clinton 38 .. Trump 41
http://www.opb.org/news/series/election-2016/hillary-clinton-kate-brown-lead-in-new-opb-poll/0 -
There are some economists who are saying that Hillary would wish she had not been made President as the dollar is soon to be supplanted by other currencies which will be only one of the problems she will face.0
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I hope Reading General station is safe, because I love it!JosiasJessop said:Off-topic:
When civil engineering goes bad:
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We had some success in shaping regulations in the single market on the energy market and some liberalisation of competition in telecoms, nudging for trade, together with many failures.Philip_Thompson said:
Completely disagreed. We did try to reshape Europe but they didn't listen so a self-confident Britain is walking away from a project that doesn't suit us and embracing a new world instead.williamglenn said:
The trouble is that if we had the self-belief, we would be using our influence to reshape Europe at a pivotal moment, not turning our backs on it. Brexit and a self-confident Britain in 2016 are mutually exclusive concepts.Casino_Royale said:
Trouble is a lot of people here are already thinking we will be a failure.JosiasJessop said:
Oh we can thrive after Brexit. Our growth and success after the seventies are tangential to the EU; it was mainly the pain of moving from old industries to new. We don't have the same problem now.tyson said:Considering we joined the EU with our tail between our legs as the sick man of Europe, I struggle to imagine how we'll thrive this time after Brexit.
Before the referendum I said we could succeed or fail as either part of the EU or an independent state. We have IMO chosen a slightly harder route, but success is still perfectly possible. But the moment we start thinking we will be a failure, we will be.
Although we need to keep an eye out for the new new industries ...
By biggest worry about Brexit is that we no longer have the confidence or national self-belief we need in ourselves to make a full success of it, and grasp its opportunities.
If Britain lacked self-confidence we'd still be in Europe as we'd cling to nurse.
Politically, our EU reform efforts (assuming they were ever sincere, despite the spin back home) to decentralise and prevent further integration were all failures.0 -
TX fall is landslide territory. On a scale of Goldwater's fall surely?Jobabob said:
There is no possible route without TXPhilip_Thompson said:
If Texas goes blue what possible route would the GOP have to the Presidency? Those are ECVs that the GOP can't afford to lose surely?619 said:
domino effect. Now texas looks close, clinton can put some resources into it...rottenborough said:
A lot of hispanics in TX.Jobabob said:
I mean Trump defeat obviouslyJobabob said:
Getting awfully close in TX. I need a long odds hedge against a Trump win but this just seems insane?JackW said:Texas - University of Houston - Sample 1000 - 7-13 Oct
Clinton 38 .. Trump 41
http://www.opb.org/news/series/election-2016/hillary-clinton-kate-brown-lead-in-new-opb-poll/0 -
Wankers.SeanT said:
I haven't read a single article in liberal New York media which attempts to explain to readers WHY Brexit happened, other than "xenophobia".rottenborough said:
I like the start of this article:Gardenwalker said:http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2016/10/18/brexit-death-of-british-business/
For those who want a bit of depressing reading from the NYRB: the decline in British industry since the 1950s, and how Brexit will make it worse.
Apparently we export only marginally more goods than BELGIUM.
"It is hard to exaggerate the scale of the disaster the British people have inflicted upon themselves with their decision to leave the European Union, taken in the referendum last June."
The sovereignty issue is simply ignored.
This could be briskly remedied by asking Americans how they would feel if the US Supreme Court sat in Mexico City, and conducted proceedings, and gave its rulings, solely in Spanish, as is the case with the ECJ and French.
It really boils my piss how Brexit is reported overseas about being about xenophobia, and does us immense damage.0 -
Cameron's deal summed up our 'influence'.
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You try ;-)JosiasJessop said:
I agree. There's bound to be a little unease, as happens when a child takes the stabilisers off his bike. But we can cycle without them. (*)Casino_Royale said:
Trouble is a lot of people here are already thinking we will be a failure.JosiasJessop said:
Oh we can thrive after Brexit. Our growth and success after the seventies are tangential to the EU; it was mainly the pain of moving from old industries to new. We don't have the same problem now.tyson said:Considering we joined the EU with our tail between our legs as the sick man of Europe, I struggle to imagine how we'll thrive this time after Brexit.
Before the referendum I said we could succeed or fail as either part of the EU or an independent state. We have IMO chosen a slightly harder route, but success is still perfectly possible. But the moment we start thinking we will be a failure, we will be.
Although we need to keep an eye out for the new new industries ...
By biggest worry about Brexit is that we no longer have the confidence or national self-belief we need in ourselves to make a full success of it, and grasp its opportunities.
However, success is not guaranteed either. It's why I've been a little disMAYed by our new PM's first few months. She's not being pushy (aggressive?) enough.
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Tomorrow's Matt is genius. Again.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/30/matt-cartoons-october-2016/0 -
Vapid bilge?SeanT said:
Oh I'm sure they're gloating. And maybe London will topple, though I am not yet convinced, and I'm not sure New York is best placed to return. Power is moving east, America is in relative decline. Asia prefers London.Jobabob said:
Your last analogy is something of a stretch, to put it mildly, but I agree that there is an element of New York gloating about Brexit. London had completely eclipsed New York as THE world city. The feeling stateside is that Brexit will redress the balance. Maybe. It will be one of the saddest consequences of London's enforced departure from the Single Market.SeanT said:
I haven't read a single article in liberal New York media which attempts to explain to readers WHY Brexit happened, other than "xenophobia".rottenborough said:
I like the start of this article:Gardenwalker said:http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2016/10/18/brexit-death-of-british-business/
For those who want a bit of depressing reading from the NYRB: the decline in British industry since the 1950s, and how Brexit will make it worse.
Apparently we export only marginally more goods than BELGIUM.
"It is hard to exaggerate the scale of the disaster the British people have inflicted upon themselves with their decision to leave the European Union, taken in the referendum last June."
The sovereignty issue is simply ignored.
This could be briskly remedied by asking Americans how they would feel if the US Supreme Court sat in Mexico City, and conducted proceedings, and gave its rulings, solely in Spanish, as is the case with the ECJ and French.
We shall see.
But my point is liberal Americans are simply misinformed, often by ageing, europhile Brit journalists who are as demented by Brexit as some of the Remainiacs on here. Henry Porter on Vanity Fair is a classic example. He describes a Brexit Britain patrolled by skinhead murderers.
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Witney update
The election is almost totally fought in Witney itself, if the unreliable measure of poster count is anything to go by. Witney has loads, in the the villages hardly a thing, except the Leffman stronghold of Charlbury ( I have been forced to drive round a lot of the constituency today)
Hardly any visible Tory activity. Such comments are usually a prelude to a safe Tory majority
One other factor, Witney used to run by a real old fashioned Tory machine politician, Barry Norton. He was very efficient and dedicated. A smart local politician. He was forced to stand down because of health issues. Cameron's replacement agent is relatively inexperienced and a failed candidate for the nomination, not a local person with knowledge of what needs doing in a close fight. Is the Tory bus being driven with energy or complacency?0 -
By which other currency?1666 said:There are some economists who are saying that Hillary would wish she had not been made President as the dollar is soon to be supplanted by other currencies which will be only one of the problems she will face.
Think about it for a fraction of a second before you make a post. Some economists are full of s##t.0 -
There are always some people who say, 'this will be a good election to lose', since the beginning of time.1666 said:There are some economists who are saying that Hillary would wish she had not been made President as the dollar is soon to be supplanted by other currencies which will be only one of the problems she will face.
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Let's take food as anew example of the crossroads we stand at. We import far too much food, and the free market has allowed supermarkets to push an agenda where we import things like root vegetables to save literal pennies on the product. Not even a positive for the consumer as British options reduce choice gets cut and amazingly the stupidly cheap price for imports goes up.
The falling pound and possible hard Brexit is refocusing the industry on how we become more self sufficient that that has to be a positive - a 21st century Dig For Victory consumer campaign to get people eating a British grown diet has to help.
But then the big question - who will grow the food? The apparently hated eastern European migrants in Lincolnshire didn't force plucky British workers out of a job, they were welcomed in because 30 years of neo-Liberalism X Factor you are your iPhone societal "improvements" have turned people off working for a living. Remove the foreign workforce and despite unemployment being a big issue will the fieldsame once again be full of natives...?0 -
Erghhhh...... Brexit is actually causing us immense damage abroad. If you haven't picked that up by now you are as bonkers as Plato's obsessive ramping of Trump.Casino_Royale said:
Wankers.SeanT said:
I haven't read a single article in liberal New York media which attempts to explain to readers WHY Brexit happened, other than "xenophobia".rottenborough said:
I like the start of this article:Gardenwalker said:http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2016/10/18/brexit-death-of-british-business/
For those who want a bit of depressing reading from the NYRB: the decline in British industry since the 1950s, and how Brexit will make it worse.
Apparently we export only marginally more goods than BELGIUM.
"It is hard to exaggerate the scale of the disaster the British people have inflicted upon themselves with their decision to leave the European Union, taken in the referendum last June."
The sovereignty issue is simply ignored.
This could be briskly remedied by asking Americans how they would feel if the US Supreme Court sat in Mexico City, and conducted proceedings, and gave its rulings, solely in Spanish, as is the case with the ECJ and French.
It really boils my piss how Brexit is reported overseas about being about xenophobia, and does us immense damage.
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I agree that Asians' general anglophilia might help us through it.SeanT said:
Oh I'm sure they're gloating. And maybe London will topple, though I am not yet convinced, and I'm not sure New York is best placed to return. Power is moving east, America is in relative decline. Asia prefers London.Jobabob said:
Your last analogy is something of a stretch, to put it mildly, but I agree that there is an element of New York gloating about Brexit. London had completely eclipsed New York as THE world city. The feeling stateside is that Brexit will redress the balance. Maybe. It will be one of the saddest consequences of London's enforced departure from the Single Market.SeanT said:
I haven't read a single article in liberal New York media which attempts to explain to readers WHY Brexit happened, other than "xenophobia".rottenborough said:
I like the start of this article:Gardenwalker said:http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2016/10/18/brexit-death-of-british-business/
For those who want a bit of depressing reading from the NYRB: the decline in British industry since the 1950s, and how Brexit will make it worse.
Apparently we export only marginally more goods than BELGIUM.
"It is hard to exaggerate the scale of the disaster the British people have inflicted upon themselves with their decision to leave the European Union, taken in the referendum last June."
The sovereignty issue is simply ignored.
This could be briskly remedied by asking Americans how they would feel if the US Supreme Court sat in Mexico City, and conducted proceedings, and gave its rulings, solely in Spanish, as is the case with the ECJ and French.
We shall see.
But my point is liberal Americans are simply misinformed, often by ageing, europhile Brit journalists who are as demented by Brexit as some of the Remainiacs on here. Henry Porter on Vanity Fair is a classic example. He describes a Brexit Britain patrolled by skinhead murderers.
It's nuts. Americans reading this bilge will be surprised if Britain emerges intact, prosperous and tolerant, after all.0 -
It's a great and sobering article. No doubt all the usual ostriches will remain firmly head in the sand clucking about their special britishness...rottenborough said:
I like the start of this article:Gardenwalker said:http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2016/10/18/brexit-death-of-british-business/
For those who want a bit of depressing reading from the NYRB: the decline in British industry since the 1950s, and how Brexit will make it worse.
Apparently we export only marginally more goods than BELGIUM.
"It is hard to exaggerate the scale of the disaster the British people have inflicted upon themselves with their decision to leave the European Union, taken in the referendum last June."0 -
What do you expect from bloody foreigners?Casino_Royale said:
It really boils my piss how Brexit is reported overseas about being about xenophobia, and does us immense damage.0 -
Yes, there's the first ostrich spotted!Philip_Thompson said:
By not electing socialists and sticking with the free market reforms that transformed our economy in the eighties.tyson said:Considering we joined the EU with our tail between our legs as the sick man of Europe, I struggle to imagine how we'll thrive this time after Brexit.
Absolutely if Labour get back in power then we will be straight back to the sick man of Europe but that has nothing to do with Europe.0 -
Cruella is the one letting them come, remember...chestnut said:0 -
Never mind confidence, it's more that our captains of industry have spent the last thirty years perfecting the art of asset stripping. A whole change in culture is required.Casino_Royale said:
Trouble is a lot of people here are already thinking we will be a failure.JosiasJessop said:
Oh we can thrive after Brexit. Our growth and success after the seventies are tangential to the EU; it was mainly the pain of moving from old industries to new. We don't have the same problem now.tyson said:Considering we joined the EU with our tail between our legs as the sick man of Europe, I struggle to imagine how we'll thrive this time after Brexit.
Before the referendum I said we could succeed or fail as either part of the EU or an independent state. We have IMO chosen a slightly harder route, but success is still perfectly possible. But the moment we start thinking we will be a failure, we will be.
Although we need to keep an eye out for the new new industries ...
By biggest worry about Brexit is that we no longer have the confidence or national self-belief we need in ourselves to make a full success of it, and grasp its opportunities.0 -
Well we could issue work permits to E Europeans ( or whomever ) to pick the veg, or pay the Brits more to make it more attractive. There's a balance to be struck and the market has to find its level depending on the value of Sterling, the amount of work permits we wish to issue ( which will affect any market of course), and the price of veg sold to the retailers.RochdalePioneers said:Let's take food as anew example of the crossroads we stand at. We import far too much food, and the free market has allowed supermarkets to push an agenda where we import things like root vegetables to save literal pennies on the product. Not even a positive for the consumer as British options reduce choice gets cut and amazingly the stupidly cheap price for imports goes up.
The falling pound and possible hard Brexit is refocusing the industry on how we become more self sufficient that that has to be a positive - a 21st century Dig For Victory consumer campaign to get people eating a British grown diet has to help.
But then the big question - who will grow the food? The apparently hated eastern European migrants in Lincolnshire didn't force plucky British workers out of a job, they were welcomed in because 30 years of neo-Liberalism X Factor you are your iPhone societal "improvements" have turned people off working for a living. Remove the foreign workforce and despite unemployment being a big issue will the fieldsame once again be full of natives...?
Whatever, it's different to having carte blanche to 60 odd million working age adults in E Europe prepared to work for less than the locals with the consequences of large scale immigration which clearly has not done down well in large parts of E England ( heart of agriculture country).0
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