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  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    rcs1000 said:

    No more analogies please.

    Obligatory xkcd on similes, metaphors and analogies.
    https://xkcd.com/762/
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Pong said:

    The best one was when @casino_royale declared;

    "The Foreign Office is stuffed full of pinkos and traitors."

    http://politicalbetting.vanillaforums.com/discussion/4033/politicalbetting-com-blog-archive-i-m-not-sure-a-jeremy-corbyn-led-labour-party-is-equipped-t/p1
    I thought this was a long accepted fact?
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    Scott_P said:
    Public opinion showing hints of shifting towards Remain.........
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,363

    not compared to an opinion poll of fewer than 2,000
    Probably hugely different in who is being polled...
  • GeoffM said:

    I thought this was a long accepted fact?
    Didn't Dennis Thatcher think it was full of pinkos, trots and traitors too?
  • eekeek Posts: 29,741

    Hard Brexit it is then.

    The U.K.’s exit negotiations with the European Union will be controlled by a select group of 12 ministers that includes all of the most Euroskeptic members of Theresa May’s cabinet, a further sign that the premier may be planning a clean break with the EU.

    The committee will “oversee the negotiations on the withdrawal from the European Union and formation of a new relationship between the United Kingdom and the European Union; and policy on international trade,” according to an unpublished U.K. government document obtained by Bloomberg.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-14/u-k-s-may-loads-team-for-eu-talks-with-pro-brexit-ministers

    Surely we need to wait to the Autumn Statement before we see what is happening. If there is movement towards a contribution based benefits system we may have some leeway with the fom otherwise chances are its a hard exit.
  • Hard Brexit it is then.

    The U.K.’s exit negotiations with the European Union will be controlled by a select group of 12 ministers that includes all of the most Euroskeptic members of Theresa May’s cabinet, a further sign that the premier may be planning a clean break with the EU.

    The committee will “oversee the negotiations on the withdrawal from the European Union and formation of a new relationship between the United Kingdom and the European Union; and policy on international trade,” according to an unpublished U.K. government document obtained by Bloomberg.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-14/u-k-s-may-loads-team-for-eu-talks-with-pro-brexit-ministers

    Good to see the lovely Priti Patel will be involved.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,214
    PlatoSaid said:

    Can't shame me on this - it's a culture war. If Hillary wins - she gives 30m illegals the vote and tilts the election base for generations in her favour.

    And open borders - oh... what does that do bar growing the welfare base that vote Democrat - this is power play on a macro level. It's Tony v2.0
    And how does Hillary - or any president - "give" 30m illegals the vote?
  • eek said:

    Surely we need to wait to the Autumn Statement before we see what is happening. If there is movement towards a contribution based benefits system we may have some leeway with the fom otherwise chances are its a hard exit.
    Alas Mrs May is turning the Tories into UKIP lite
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @DavidAllenGreen: Brexit is a huge and complex legal challenge, and so the Cabinet Brexit committee has *nobody* from MoJ or Attorney-General's office. twitter.com/b_judah/status…
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''Public opinion showing hints of shifting towards Remain.........''

    Allen Green's point seems to be that the EU is so sh8t we must stay.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203
    Scott_P said:
    This can be read as helpful for Remain or Leave.

    Remainers can say, look we won't get a decent deal agreed because the Walloons will veto.

    Brexiters can say, look the EU is moribund and sclerotic and cannot even agree an FTA with Canada.

    On balance, i think it's more supportive of Leave (says this Remainer).
  • rcs1000 said:

    They doubled their number of constituency seats in Scotland! (Admittedly the overall gain was only one seat because they lost at the list level.)
    Nope.

    5 seats before, 5 seats afterwards.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    And how does Hillary - or any president - "give" 30m illegals the vote?
    Executive order. Obama was fond of it.

    These are the issues Trumpers fear.
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807

    And how does Hillary - or any president - "give" 30m illegals the vote?
    You are making the schoolboy error of trying to reason with Plato. Alistair tried it earlier.
    Never ends well.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    On balance, i think it's more supportive of Leave (says this Remainer).

    It contradicts everything the headbangers said about trade before the vote
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Brexit is a huge and complex legal challenge,

    Again, not what Remainers said before the vote. Of course we have sovereignty, they trilled, there's this A-50 button that we can simply push if things aren't going as we would wish.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    PlatoSaid said:

    Can't shame me on this - it's a culture war. If Hillary wins - she gives 30m illegals the vote and tilts the election base for generations in her favour.

    And open borders - oh... what does that do bar growing the welfare base that vote Democrat - this is power play on a macro level. It's Tony v2.0
    Agree with that entirely. She can destroy the USA with half a dozen Executive Orders.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422

    Hard Brexit it is then.

    According to Tusk the options are:

    - 'Hard Brexit'

    - 'No Brexit'
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,823
    Scott_P said:
    Doesn't matter since a UK-EU deal would be carried by QMV and a rubber stamp from the EUparl. No need for 27 nations to ratify it.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Scott_P said:
    I see all those soft Remainers who secerely hated the EU have switched over en masse to Leave.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited October 2016

    Hard Brexit it is then.

    The U.K.’s exit negotiations with the European Union will be controlled by a select group of 12 ministers that includes all of the most Euroskeptic members of Theresa May’s cabinet, a further sign that the premier may be planning a clean break with the EU.

    The committee will “oversee the negotiations on the withdrawal from the European Union and formation of a new relationship between the United Kingdom and the European Union; and policy on international trade,” according to an unpublished U.K. government document obtained by Bloomberg.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-14/u-k-s-may-loads-team-for-eu-talks-with-pro-brexit-ministers

    Makes sense to have our toughest and most skeptic oversee negotiations in a Nixon to China sense. Most likely to get a good and universally acceptable deal that way and it's not as if our EU counterparts have nominated wallflowers.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,133

    Can they handle the truth?
    TBF that was in a different political climate. The real test will be May 2017.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    Didn't Dennis Thatcher think it was full of pinkos, trots and traitors too?
    He was a top bloke. RIP
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Scott_P said:

    @DavidAllenGreen: Brexit is a huge and complex legal challenge, and so the Cabinet Brexit committee has *nobody* from MoJ or Attorney-General's office. twitter.com/b_judah/status…

    Of course they don't.

    The AG's office is their legal adviser not a member of the committee.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,823
    Scott_P said:

    It contradicts everything the headbangers said about trade before the vote
    It reinforces it you loon. That the EU needs 28 nations to ratify a free trade deal that would be beneficial to the UK more than any other nation is completely ridiculous. Leaving and doing our own free trade agreement with Canada now looks like the only way we will be able to trade freely with them.
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,378
    I'm not anti-Trump, despite him being a bit of loon.

    However, JFK would never have been elected today, nor would most of the better presidents.

    " .... Whose word no man relies on.
    He never said a foolish thing,
    Nor ever did a wise one."

    Said of Charles II, but might apply to HRC today.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    This can be read as helpful for Remain or Leave.

    Remainers can say, look we won't get a decent deal agreed because the Walloons will veto.

    Brexiters can say, look the EU is moribund and sclerotic and cannot even agree an FTA with Canada.

    On balance, i think it's more supportive of Leave (says this Remainer).
    It just shows how prolonged and problematic, and subject to veto, trade agreements can be.

    As a matter of interest what is it that the Waloons object to? It may be a very reasonable objection.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,012

    According to Tusk the options are:

    - 'Hard Brexit'

    - 'No Brexit'
    Shouldn't we just get on with it and do away with the "uncertainty"?
  • Scott_P said:

    It contradicts everything the headbangers said about trade before the vote
    Really? Just think about that for a fraction of a second.

    Unless you aren't counting him as a headbanger Boris Johnson made the argument to leave so we can sign our on trade deals because the EU doing so is "like trying to ride a vast pantomime horse, with 28 people blindly pulling in different directions."

    How does this contradict that?
  • EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,965
    Scott_P said:

    It contradicts everything the headbangers said about trade before the vote
    "We have to stay in the EU because it's crap at making trade deals!"

    There are not enough faces to palm.
  • NEW THREAD

  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,920

    Oh, dear. This nonsense again?

    The government told Parliament that it would be binding, and Parliament didn't object.

    The government then told the people that it would be binding.
    Another enthusiast for the good old British constitution speaking, no doubt.

    But perhaps it's unkind to tell such people they aren't giving Theresa May "binding instructions" when they go into the cubicle and pick up the pencil.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,823

    This can be read as helpful for Remain or Leave.

    Remainers can say, look we won't get a decent deal agreed because the Walloons will veto.

    Brexiters can say, look the EU is moribund and sclerotic and cannot even agree an FTA with Canada.

    On balance, i think it's more supportive of Leave (says this Remainer).
    Except the Remainers can't because A50 doesn't require each nation to ratify any deal, just a QMV and simple EUparl majority to carry it.

    Everything the EU has done since out leave vote, from the EU Army, gumming up trade deals, trying to centralise insolvency procedure etc... shows that we made the right choice. They may not have done these things had we voted to Remain, at least not for a while but we can see what an unbridled integrationist EU looks like.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,079
    I had dinner with two American friends in London last night. They are staunch Republicans. They said they had held their noses and voted for Clinton. They are scared of Trump as President. It wasn't the sex but the danger his thin-skinned vindictiveness posed in foreign policy. Their votes are in Ohio.
  • RobD said:

    Weren't Labour that far ahead while they were losing grounds in the locals?
    From 97 to 2003 inclusive Labour lost in net terms, councillor seats (>4,000) every year.
  • Not sure if this has already been posted. It's got some good info on the Brexit negotiating priorities of different EU countries, and also conveniently summaries some of the trade and migration statistics by country:

    http://cicero-group.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Brexit-negotiations-The-View-from-the-EU.pdf
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