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michelle obama leading the attack on trump. This will be on prime time news. Will he take the bait and attack her back?
FLOTUS: "I can't believe that I'm saying that a candidate for president of the United States has bragged about sexually assaulting women."
.@FLOTUS: "We have a candidate for president of the United States that has said things about women that are so shocking...so demeaning"
FLOTUS on Trump tape: "It has shaken me to my core."
"It now seems very clear that this isn't an isolated incident," Michelle Obama says of Trump
FLOTUS: "This wasn’t locker room banter. This was a powerful individual speaking freely and openly about sexually predatory behavior.”
FLOTUS: "It's that feeling of terror and violation that too many women have felt.
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Second like Unilever.0
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FLOTUS: "Strong men... Don't need to put down women to make themselves feel powerful."0
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Bob Dylan on the leave campaign, perhaps:
While one who sings with his tongue on fire
Gargles in the rat race choir
Bent out of shape from society’s pliers
Cares not to come up any higher
But rather get you down in the hole
That he’s in0 -
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For any high crimes and misdeameanours committed even before they took office as well during office and after leaving office.JohnLoony said:If a POTUS is impeached, can he/she only be impeached for what he/she has done as POTUS? Or in any public office?
Spiro Agnew was threatened with impeachment as Vice President for crimes he committed as Governor of Maryland0 -
Oh how wrong you are OGH.
Only the Suffolk, North Carolina poll was done after the debate, you have to look at the date of the surveys.
Using only the national polls done after the debate it's an average Hillary lead nationally of 3.6%.
She is leading by 2 in N.Carolina, by 3 in Florida by 2 on average in Nevada, all consistent with a national lead for Hillary of around 4 points.
You are behind the curve, the debate did wonders for Trump and cancelled the Tape.0 -
That woman in Northumberland is a beard isn't she.0
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Well blow me down with a feather, Unilever / Tesco blockade is over.0
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Who won ?FrancisUrquhart said:Well blow me down with a feather, Unilever / Tesco blockade is over.
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It will be very interesting to see before and after on Unilver pricing: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-376502340
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No word yet, but I am going to guess a score draw.Speedy said:
Who won ?FrancisUrquhart said:Well blow me down with a feather, Unilever / Tesco blockade is over.
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I bet Unilever will have gotten 3-4%, but that Tesco will freeze prices on Unilever products for a couple of weeks/months so that it looks like there was no price increase. Tesco will then gradually, a couple of pence at a time, raise the prices of various products.Speedy said:
Who won ?FrancisUrquhart said:Well blow me down with a feather, Unilever / Tesco blockade is over.
Just a guess.0 -
And I see that the Thai King has died too.rcs1000 said:It will be very interesting to see before and after on Unilver pricing: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37650234
I missed that one.0 -
You keep repeating this "Trump's debate victory" myth.Speedy said:Oh how wrong you are OGH.
Only the Suffolk, North Carolina poll was done after the debate, you have to look at the date of the surveys.
Using only the national polls done after the debate it's an average Hillary lead nationally of 3.6%.
She is leading by 2 in N.Carolina, by 3 in Florida by 2 on average in Nevada, all consistent with a national lead for Hillary of around 4 points.
You are behind the curve, the debate did wonders for Trump and cancelled the Tape.
All the polls showed a Clinton win. You relate to other polls regularly but choose to ignore the debate polls. Very odd.0 -
I'm watching Trump's speech in Florida.
"Our" campaign represents a "true existential threat" to "global special interests" - in particular to the "media" and "financial" interests who control Washington. The "global power structure" has "stripped our country of its wealth". The "Clinton machine" is at its centre. They meet with international banks to plot destruction in the US. Her and her "special interest friends". She's in it with the "New York Times".
"LOCK HER UP" chants the delirious crowd.
Earlier it was "USA! USA!"
(Someone should tell this guy that "phenomena" is already plural and he doesn't need to say "phenomenas.)
"This is a struggle for the survival of our nation." This election will determine whether we are a "free nation" or controlled by a handful of global special interests. "Anyone who challenges their control is deemed a sexist, a racist, a xenophobe, and morally deformed."0 -
Lol. You live under a rock? Trump is going to go to jail!Speedy said:Oh how wrong you are OGH.
Only the Suffolk, North Carolina poll was done after the debate, you have to look at the date of the surveys.
Using only the national polls done after the debate it's an average Hillary lead nationally of 3.6%.
She is leading by 2 in N.Carolina, by 3 in Florida by 2 on average in Nevada, all consistent with a national lead for Hillary of around 4 points.
You are behind the curve, the debate did wonders for Trump and cancelled the Tape.0 -
She should have stood herself. She's excellent.619 said:https://twitter.com/mmurraypolitics/status/786610600268791809
Yeah this is a brilliant speech
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Bob Dylan: outstanding choice.0
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You know the person he won't dare attack is Michelle.619 said:michelle obama leading the attack on trump. This will be on prime time news. Will he take the bait and attack her back?
FLOTUS: "I can't believe that I'm saying that a candidate for president of the United States has bragged about sexually assaulting women."
.@FLOTUS: "We have a candidate for president of the United States that has said things about women that are so shocking...so demeaning"
FLOTUS on Trump tape: "It has shaken me to my core."
"It now seems very clear that this isn't an isolated incident," Michelle Obama says of Trump
FLOTUS: "This wasn’t locker room banter. This was a powerful individual speaking freely and openly about sexually predatory behavior.”
FLOTUS: "It's that feeling of terror and violation that too many women have felt.
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Imagine there were no polls on the debate at all, and look at all the other evidence of the campaign and other polling data. You would have to conclude that there was an event on Sunday that was favourable to Trump.JackW said:
You keep repeating this "Trump's debate victory" myth.Speedy said:Oh how wrong you are OGH.
Only the Suffolk, North Carolina poll was done after the debate, you have to look at the date of the surveys.
Using only the national polls done after the debate it's an average Hillary lead nationally of 3.6%.
She is leading by 2 in N.Carolina, by 3 in Florida by 2 on average in Nevada, all consistent with a national lead for Hillary of around 4 points.
You are behind the curve, the debate did wonders for Trump and cancelled the Tape.
All the polls showed a Clinton win. You relate to other polls regularly but choose to ignore the debate polls. Very odd.0 -
Perhaps Mich Obama can run in 2024 and reign until 2032 whilst Chelsea prepares to be POTUS from 32-40.
By then one of the Bush grandchildren might have been clean long enough to win for the GOP.
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Michelle Obama doesn't want the Republican candidate to win? I'm shocked.619 said:michelle obama leading the attack on trump. This will be on prime time news. Will he take the bait and attack her back?
FLOTUS: "I can't believe that I'm saying that a candidate for president of the United States has bragged about sexually assaulting women."
.@FLOTUS: "We have a candidate for president of the United States that has said things about women that are so shocking...so demeaning"
FLOTUS on Trump tape: "It has shaken me to my core."
"It now seems very clear that this isn't an isolated incident," Michelle Obama says of Trump
FLOTUS: "This wasn’t locker room banter. This was a powerful individual speaking freely and openly about sexually predatory behavior.”
FLOTUS: "It's that feeling of terror and violation that too many women have felt.
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Michelle Obama Attacking Trump is like Juncker attacking Vote Leave.619 said:michelle obama leading the attack on trump. This will be on prime time news. Will he take the bait and attack her back?
FLOTUS: "I can't believe that I'm saying that a candidate for president of the United States has bragged about sexually assaulting women."
.@FLOTUS: "We have a candidate for president of the United States that has said things about women that are so shocking...so demeaning"
FLOTUS on Trump tape: "It has shaken me to my core."
"It now seems very clear that this isn't an isolated incident," Michelle Obama says of Trump
FLOTUS: "This wasn’t locker room banter. This was a powerful individual speaking freely and openly about sexually predatory behavior.”
FLOTUS: "It's that feeling of terror and violation that too many women have felt.
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If Trump hadn't won the debate then why has he bounced from being down by double digits from before the debate to less than Romney's defeat after the debate ?JackW said:
You keep repeating this "Trump's debate victory" myth.Speedy said:Oh how wrong you are OGH.
Only the Suffolk, North Carolina poll was done after the debate, you have to look at the date of the surveys.
Using only the national polls done after the debate it's an average Hillary lead nationally of 3.6%.
She is leading by 2 in N.Carolina, by 3 in Florida by 2 on average in Nevada, all consistent with a national lead for Hillary of around 4 points.
You are behind the curve, the debate did wonders for Trump and cancelled the Tape.
All the polls showed a Clinton win. You relate to other polls regularly but choose to ignore the debate polls. Very odd.
Average national Hillary lead post-tape, pre-debate: 12.5%
Average national Hillary lead post-debate: 3.6%
That's a 9 point shift, it's what you would see after a Debate Victory.
So kneel before Zod ect ect, I still make the right calls for debate victors.0 -
And carton sizes....rcs1000 said:It will be very interesting to see before and after on Unilver pricing: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37650234
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Many people feel assaulted by Leave, a predator using deception to achieve its ends.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Michelle Obama Attacking Trump is like Juncker attacking Vote Leave.619 said:michelle obama leading the attack on trump. This will be on prime time news. Will he take the bait and attack her back?
FLOTUS: "I can't believe that I'm saying that a candidate for president of the United States has bragged about sexually assaulting women."
.@FLOTUS: "We have a candidate for president of the United States that has said things about women that are so shocking...so demeaning"
FLOTUS on Trump tape: "It has shaken me to my core."
"It now seems very clear that this isn't an isolated incident," Michelle Obama says of Trump
FLOTUS: "This wasn’t locker room banter. This was a powerful individual speaking freely and openly about sexually predatory behavior.”
FLOTUS: "It's that feeling of terror and violation that too many women have felt.
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Silly. The debate was only four days ago. There are scarcely any national polls available yet that were done entirely after the debate. Nate Silver's site only shows three (and his highest rating for the pollsters is C+).Speedy said:
Using only the national polls done after the debate it's an average Hillary lead nationally of 3.6%.
If you really want to confine yourself to polling after the debate, you need to wait until sufficient data, of sufficient quality, have been released.0 -
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Trump says that "if you take a look at these people" who are making sexual abuse allegations against him, you will "understand" that all of the allegations are lies.0
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That won't wash.Sunil_Prasannan said:0 -
He says he's preparing to sue the NYT. Crowd goes mental. Regarding one accuser: "You take a look. Look at her. (...) Tell me what you think."0
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It does seem odd that they decided to wait until now to speak rather than blowing him out of the water as soon as he became a candidate in the primaries.Dromedary said:Trump says that "if you take a look at these people" who are making sexual abuse allegations against him, you will "understand" that all of the allegations are lies.
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I just had a chat to Sunil at a Santander Call Centre. V nice chap.. Was it you?Sunil_Prasannan said:0 -
Get off your soapbox JonathanJonathan said:
That won't wash.Sunil_Prasannan said:
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He does seem to be taking the keep me in the headlines at all costs principle to extremesDromedary said:He says he's preparing to sue the NYT. Crowd goes mental.
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Jonathan said:
Many people feel assaulted by the EU, a predator using deception to achieve its ends.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Michelle Obama Attacking Trump is like Juncker attacking Vote Leave.619 said:michelle obama leading the attack on trump. This will be on prime time news. Will he take the bait and attack her back?
FLOTUS: "I can't believe that I'm saying that a candidate for president of the United States has bragged about sexually assaulting women."
.@FLOTUS: "We have a candidate for president of the United States that has said things about women that are so shocking...so demeaning"
FLOTUS on Trump tape: "It has shaken me to my core."
"It now seems very clear that this isn't an isolated incident," Michelle Obama says of Trump
FLOTUS: "This wasn’t locker room banter. This was a powerful individual speaking freely and openly about sexually predatory behavior.”
FLOTUS: "It's that feeling of terror and violation that too many women have felt.
Really powerful stuff.
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There are 5 of them, that's a large enough number, even if one was an outlier it wouldn't have affected the average by much.Chris said:
Silly. The debate was only four days ago. There are scarcely any national polls available yet that were done entirely after the debate. Nate Silver's site only shows three (and his highest rating for the pollsters is C+).Speedy said:
Using only the national polls done after the debate it's an average Hillary lead nationally of 3.6%.
If you really want to confine yourself to polling after the debate, you need to wait until sufficient data, of sufficient quality, have been released.
And also the state polls, 4 post debate state polls that also agree with the 5 national polls.
Those are too many polls to brush off.0 -
Her, Bernie, Biden, Elizabeth Warren all would have put Trump away by now, but Clinton is more concerned by gaining power then she is about defeating a far right Trump.Gardenwalker said:
She should have stood herself. She's excellent.619 said:https://twitter.com/mmurraypolitics/status/786610600268791809
Yeah this is a brilliant speech0 -
Sud off.Jobabob said:0 -
I bet you dont use Imperialist Leather to wash with.Jonathan said:
Sud off.Jobabob said:0 -
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No it is not. When has the EU ever stopped seeking to centralise more and more power to itself, and when has it tolerated any meaningful moves to return competences to member states? The commitment to ever closer union is enshrined in the Treaty of Rome and taken very seriously.Gardenwalker said:By the way, your premise that the EU has a logical conclusion through dissolution of the nation state is a sad, Brexit myth. It doesn't stand up to reason, or the facts.
Besides, it won't let go of the Euro for love nor money, and that alone requires a federal treasury accountable to a federal government to make it work.0 -
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Nice post.nielh said:I've been following the debate on here for some time.
I think people have far too much confidence on here that the current government can weather the course they have embarked on.
There must be a high chance that the current government will fall, when the implications of the Brexit strategy fall in to place. As it is starting to now. Scotland is one issue, Ireland is another, the economic fallout of the fall in value of the pound another. And then there are a whole host of other interrelated issues, issues that have already been considered but will start to become more real over the next few months: what happens to trident if Scotland becomes independent. What happens to the land border in Ireland. and so on.
These are all questions that we know about already, but they haven't been thought through by anyone to any conclusion, because there is so much uncertainty, and there are so many distractions as events roll out on a daily basis.
The key developments I would argue is that there is now an organised 'opposition' in parliament. Businesses are spooked. The bizarre movements of the pound. The statements by Nissan, land rover, American banks. Petrol prices have risen 10%.
In the town where I work every single private sector funded major investment project has been stopped or halted due to Brexit.
I'm not saying anything new, but all I am saying is look at the volatility. It is completely unprecedented. The decision to go forward with leaving the EU would result in vast political, economic and constitional chaos. I don't believe that the government can weather it. I believe that they will fall, and that the tories will not be able to decide how resolve it when they call a general election, because the Brexitters are already starting to argue amongst themselves.
And it is anyones guess how it could play out after that.
I think people are in denial about the true scale of the political, economic and social volatility the UK is currently in. The phoney peace is currently coming to an end, and people are starting to wake up.
On topic, from a betting point of view, I think the odds that A50 wont be triggered until the second half of next year are very good.
My own view is that it's when no one can see a catalyst for change in sight that change occurs.0 -
On the days events....
Cheers to Bob Dylan..... Poet for our times...
Massive cheers to Jessica Ennis Hill. A better role model for modern Britain would be very hard to find. She had my vote for Spoty in 12 and 15 and will have it again this year. You were fab Jess!
And jeers to Tesco. If the anglish poond drops by more than 15%, prices are going to go up. Period. I noticed petrol was up by 2p at my local BP on the way home. This is the cost of taking back control.0 -
If they are all jumped up trailer park trash wwc bimbettes he may have just game overed himself.Dromedary said:Trump says that "if you take a look at these people" who are making sexual abuse allegations against him, you will "understand" that all of the allegations are lies.
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What evidence ?!?williamglenn said:Imagine there were no polls on the debate at all, and look at all the other evidence of the campaign and other polling data. You would have to conclude that there was an event on Sunday that was favourable to Trump.
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I have a little more fondness for Agnew after reading the history of the Shuttle program.TheScreamingEagles said:Fpt
For any high crimes and misdeameanours committed even before they took office as well during office and after leaving office.JohnLoony said:If a POTUS is impeached, can he/she only be impeached for what he/she has done as POTUS? Or in any public office?
Spiro Agnew was threatened with impeachment as Vice President for crimes he committed as Governor of Maryland0 -
not really. They were scared of coming forward and only felt comfortable after the tape and debate where he said he never did it. very plausible.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
It does seem odd that they decided to wait until now to speak rather than blowing him out of the water as soon as he became a candidate in the primaries.Dromedary said:Trump says that "if you take a look at these people" who are making sexual abuse allegations against him, you will "understand" that all of the allegations are lies.
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Happily what you construe is of only incidental interestGardenwalker said:
You may construe it that way. I do not.Richard_Tyndall said:It is the logical conclusion affirmed by the opening passage in the Treaty of Rome. It is no myth.
And looking at the policy of France, Germany, and the U.K. within the EU over the last decade or so - neither do they.
To quote Sir Thomas More
The world must construe according to its wits; this court must construe according to the law.
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Except she can actually enthuase voters for her cause unlike Junker who has the opposite effect. Clinton needs her has she is currently only getting about 86% (same as Bills first term incedentally)of the AA vote compared to 95% for Obama.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Michelle Obama Attacking Trump is like Juncker attacking Vote Leave.619 said:michelle obama leading the attack on trump. This will be on prime time news. Will he take the bait and attack her back?
FLOTUS: "I can't believe that I'm saying that a candidate for president of the United States has bragged about sexually assaulting women."
.@FLOTUS: "We have a candidate for president of the United States that has said things about women that are so shocking...so demeaning"
FLOTUS on Trump tape: "It has shaken me to my core."
"It now seems very clear that this isn't an isolated incident," Michelle Obama says of Trump
FLOTUS: "This wasn’t locker room banter. This was a powerful individual speaking freely and openly about sexually predatory behavior.”
FLOTUS: "It's that feeling of terror and violation that too many women have felt.
Really powerful stuff.0 -
Well, as Trump has shot himself in the foot/head/pussy that's fair enough.nunu said:
Her, Bernie, Biden, Elizabeth Warren all would have put Trump away by now, but Clinton is more concerned by gaining power then she is about defeating a far right Trump.Gardenwalker said:
She should have stood herself. She's excellent.619 said:https://twitter.com/mmurraypolitics/status/786610600268791809
Yeah this is a brilliant speech
Clinton is a machine politician. I guess the best approximation is Nixon. I have a very low opinion on her probity, but am open-minded about her potential as a capable Pres.0 -
Simple but effective. This lady is so classy!619 said:https://twitter.com/mmurraypolitics/status/786610600268791809
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You are just getting in a lather about it nowJonathan said:
Sud off.Jobabob said:0 -
No, I is based in the UKSquareRoot said:
I just had a chat to Sunil at a Santander Call Centre. V nice chap.. Was it you?Sunil_Prasannan said:
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If nothing else: pre debate the Republicans were making frenzied moves to remove him from the ticket, now they're not.JackW said:
What evidence ?!?williamglenn said:Imagine there were no polls on the debate at all, and look at all the other evidence of the campaign and other polling data. You would have to conclude that there was an event on Sunday that was favourable to Trump.
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POTD.Jonathan said:
That won't wash.Sunil_Prasannan said:0 -
Bit like how her husbands similar brilliant speech won it for Remain...oh.murali_s said:
Simple but effective. This lady is so classy!619 said:https://twitter.com/mmurraypolitics/status/786610600268791809
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Trump - "The highly respected Rasmussen poll .... "
Laugh .... I nearly choked on my low calorie "meal" .... 0 -
Be careful, you don't want to get hung out to dry.Jobabob said:0 -
Trump: "The last thing this country needs is four more years of Barack Obama" (!)
He says he never knew the attacks on him would be so bad, but "Nevertheless, I take all of these slings and arrows gladly for you".
"Their media resources are unmatched." "The depth of their immorality is absolutely unmatched."
Are people hearing the dogwhistles? This is NOT going to go down well at the New York Times!0 -
Indeed.TOPPING said:Fpt
Nice post.nielh said:I've been following the debate on here for some time.
I think people have far too much confidence on here that the current government can weather the course they have embarked on.
There must be a high chance that the current government will fall, when the implications of the Brexit strategy fall in to place. As it is starting to now. Scotland is one issue, Ireland is another, the economic fallout of the fall in value of the pound another. And then there are a whole host of other interrelated issues, issues that have already been considered but will start to become more real over the next few months: what happens to trident if Scotland becomes independent. What happens to the land border in Ireland. and so on.
These are all questions that we know about already, but they haven't been thought through by anyone to any conclusion, because there is so much uncertainty, and there are so many distractions as events roll out on a daily basis.
The key developments I would argue is that there is now an organised 'opposition' in parliament. Businesses are spooked. The bizarre movements of the pound. The statements by Nissan, land rover, American banks. Petrol prices have risen 10%.
In the town where I work every single private sector funded major investment project has been stopped or halted due to Brexit.
I'm not saying anything new, but all I am saying is look at the volatility. It is completely unprecedented. The decision to go forward with leaving the EU would result in vast political, economic and constitional chaos. I don't believe that the government can weather it. I believe that they will fall, and that the tories will not be able to decide how resolve it when they call a general election, because the Brexitters are already starting to argue amongst themselves.
And it is anyones guess how it could play out after that.
I think people are in denial about the true scale of the political, economic and social volatility the UK is currently in. The phoney peace is currently coming to an end, and people are starting to wake up.
On topic, from a betting point of view, I think the odds that A50 wont be triggered until the second half of next year are very good.
My own view is that it's when no one can see a catalyst for change in sight that change occurs.
And if the government and/or Parliament overrides the people's democratic decision on EU membership, there will be a major upheaval.0 -
An early bath for all of you!Jobabob said:
You are just getting in a lather about it nowJonathan said:
Sud off.Jobabob said:0 -
Trump: "I take all of these slings and arrows gladly for you, so that we can have our country back."0
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We already knew that every unpopular decision would be blamed on the Leave vote, whether or not it had anything to do with it. A 10% price rise on a product made entirely within the UK has nothing at all to do with it...Monksfield said:On the days events....
Cheers to Bob Dylan..... Poet for our times...
Massive cheers to Jessica Ennis Hill. A better role model for modern Britain would be very hard to find. She had my vote for Spoty in 12 and 15 and will have it again this year. You were fab Jess!
And jeers to Tesco. If the anglish poond drops by more than 15%, prices are going to go up. Period. I noticed petrol was up by 2p at my local BP on the way home. This is the cost of taking back control.0 -
The special thing about that joke is the way that you tell it.Jonathan said:Many people feel assaulted by Leave, a predator using deception to achieve its ends.
Remind us again how many of the aces the Remain campaign was holding ? PM leading it ? Most of the cabinet on side ? BBC cheerleading ? CBI onside ? TUC onside ? Civil Service onside ? Government funded press releases ? Headstart while leave had to wait for the end of the renegotiation ? Most of the newspapers onside ? Almost every business leader, actors, artists, author and other publically visible person cheerleader ? Obama ? IMF ? OECD ? European Leaders ?
Leave had Farage and George Galloway.
Remain lost because the public were concerned about immigration and remain didn't have a credible answer.
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Will he fall into the trap and attack Michelle I wonder?Dromedary said:Trump: "The last thing this country needs is four more years of Barack Obama."
He says he never knew the attacks on him would be so bad, but "Nevertheless, I take all of these slings and arrows gladly for you".0 -
So it's down to the body being resuscitated as a triumph.williamglenn said:
If nothing else: pre debate the Republicans were making frenzied moves to remove him from the ticket, now they're not.JackW said:
What evidence ?!?williamglenn said:Imagine there were no polls on the debate at all, and look at all the other evidence of the campaign and other polling data. You would have to conclude that there was an event on Sunday that was favourable to Trump.
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The Comission, like all bureaucracies, will always try to centralise more power. Separately, the nation states have consistently found more things to cooperate on.Black_Rook said:FPT
No it is not. When has the EU ever stopped seeking to centralise more and more power to itself, and when has it tolerated any meaningful moves to return competences to member states? The commitment to ever closer union is enshrined in the Treaty of Rome and taken very seriously.Gardenwalker said:By the way, your premise that the EU has a logical conclusion through dissolution of the nation state is a sad, Brexit myth. It doesn't stand up to reason, or the facts.
Besides, it won't let go of the Euro for love nor money, and that alone requires a federal treasury accountable to a federal government to make it work.
But this is not the same thing as nation states dissolving themselves. Indeed, in the tussle between nation states and the Commission, the former do come out on top.
I'm certainly not saying EU governance is perfect - far from! - but the idea that it is a one way traffic to supranational serfdom is simply wrong. And very dangerous; it creates a mythical monster against which we are seem willing to sacrifice actual prosperity.0 -
Whilst it might look like leaning into the culture wars by going big on SCOTUS is a good play for Trump I think it is a double edged sword - making an issue of it will equally motivate unenthused Dems to turn out to stop Trump nominating to SCOTUSPaul_Bedfordshire said:
Supreme Court (presidents nominations of) is why I think Trump might still just squeak it.Alistair said:
Supreme Court is pretty desperate. Have to say making it multi topic hurts Trump. Foreign policy is a decent topic for Trump.Speedy said:There is a change in the format of the 3rd debate, before it would have been about Foreign Policy, now it will include he following:
https://twitter.com/khinman/status/786303822104788992
If Trump repeats his second debate performance I will upgrade his chances of winning the election for the first time since he choose Pence as his VP.0 -
Not al all - Barack is also pure class - very different to right-wing, small-minded and bigoted dimwits like yourself!Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Bit like how her husbands similar brilliant speech won it for Remain...oh.murali_s said:
Simple but effective. This lady is so classy!619 said:https://twitter.com/mmurraypolitics/status/786610600268791809
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That cannot be right.. the brexiters said it would hardly be noticed....ThreeQuidder said:
We already knew that every unpopular decision would be blamed on the Leave vote, whether or not it had anything to do with it. A 10% price rise on a product made entirely within the UK has nothing at all to do with it...Monksfield said:On the days events....
Cheers to Bob Dylan..... Poet for our times...
Massive cheers to Jessica Ennis Hill. A better role model for modern Britain would be very hard to find. She had my vote for Spoty in 12 and 15 and will have it again this year. You were fab Jess!
And jeers to Tesco. If the anglish poond drops by more than 15%, prices are going to go up. Period. I noticed petrol was up by 2p at my local BP on the way home. This is the cost of taking back control.0 -
Trump has now made it absolutely clear what he's saying: "We are going to have a policy: America First".
Crowd chants "USA! USA!"0 -
BREAKING: Utah
Trump 34
Clinton 28
McMullin 20
Johnson 9
Shares my values:
Trump 24 yes
Clinton 29 yes
https://t.co/N35pQ3RpyN
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And because the British public had never agreed with the Project. The EU was unsellable.Indigo said:
The special thing about that joke is the way that you tell it.Jonathan said:Many people feel assaulted by Leave, a predator using deception to achieve its ends.
Remind us again how many of the aces the Remain campaign was holding ? PM leading it ? Most of the cabinet on side ? BBC cheerleading ? CBI onside ? TUC onside ? Civil Service onside ? Government funded press releases ? Headstart while leave had to wait for the end of the renegotiation ? Most of the newspapers onside ? Almost every business leader, actors, artists, author and other publically visible person cheerleader ? Obama ? IMF ? OECD ? European Leaders ?
Leave had Farage and George Galloway.
Remain lost because the public were concerned about immigration and remain didn't have a credible answer.0 -
''Simple but effective. This lady is so classy!''
Yeah, like when the POTUS was taking selfies with the blonde female Danish PM.
OMG THE FACE ON HER!!0 -
Trump is getting better with the teleprompter.
He sounds like a normal delivery, when he first used a teleprompter he was 100% wooden.0 -
Your Brexiteering Utopia has very little chance of becoming reality. Hopefully you realise this before we 48 percenters are consigned to the Tower!Indigo said:FPT:
Happily what you construe is of only incidental interestGardenwalker said:
You may construe it that way. I do not.Richard_Tyndall said:It is the logical conclusion affirmed by the opening passage in the Treaty of Rome. It is no myth.
And looking at the policy of France, Germany, and the U.K. within the EU over the last decade or so - neither do they.
To quote Sir Thomas More
The world must construe according to its wits; this court must construe according to the law.0 -
Also different to left-wing, small-minded and bigoted dimwits like you.murali_s said:
Not al all - Barack is also pure class - very different to right-wing, small-minded and bigoted dimwits like yourself!Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Bit like how her husbands similar brilliant speech won it for Remain...oh.murali_s said:
Simple but effective. This lady is so classy!619 said:https://twitter.com/mmurraypolitics/status/786610600268791809
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When has he ever attacked a woman for speaking out against him?nunu said:
Will he fall into the trap and attack Michelle I wonder?Dromedary said:Trump: "The last thing this country needs is four more years of Barack Obama."
He says he never knew the attacks on him would be so bad, but "Nevertheless, I take all of these slings and arrows gladly for you".
He cant be THAT thin skinned surely...0 -
Can you name one power assumed by the EU which on reflection they decided more correctly lay with the nation states in accordance with the principles of subsidiarity ? No ? Neither can I.Gardenwalker said:I'm certainly not saying EU governance is perfect - far from! - but the idea that it is a one way traffic to supranational serfdom is simply wrong. And very dangerous; it creates a mythical monster against which we are seem willing to sacrifice actual prosperity.
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Utah - Monmouth Uni - Sample 403 - 10-12 Oct
Clinton 28 .. Trump 34 .. McMullin 20
http://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/MonmouthPoll_UT_101316/0 -
LEAVE 52%Gardenwalker said:
Your Brexiteering Utopia has very little chance of becoming reality. Hopefully you realise this before we 48 percenters are consigned to the Tower!Indigo said:FPT:
Happily what you construe is of only incidental interestGardenwalker said:
You may construe it that way. I do not.Richard_Tyndall said:It is the logical conclusion affirmed by the opening passage in the Treaty of Rome. It is no myth.
And looking at the policy of France, Germany, and the U.K. within the EU over the last decade or so - neither do they.
To quote Sir Thomas More
The world must construe according to its wits; this court must construe according to the law.
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Trump: "This is our moment of reckoning as a society, and as a civilisation. I didn't need to do this. Believe me. (...) I'm doing it because this country has given me so much (...) and I feel so strongly that it's my turn to give back to the country that I love."
"In my former life, I was an insider (...) Now I'm being punished for leaving the special club and revealing to you the terrible things that are going on."
"Because I used to be part of the club, I'm the only one who can fix it".
"The dark clouds hanging over our government can be lifted (...) It all depends on whether we let the corrupt media decide our future (...) or the American people decide our future"0 -
Mostly Pre-tape, completely Pre-debate, useless.619 said:BREAKING: Utah
Trump 34
Clinton 28
McMullin 20
Johnson 9
Shares my values:
Trump 24 yes
Clinton 29 yes
https://t.co/N35pQ3RpyN
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Very true. Speaking as a former stock controller in a supermarket distribution centre. The cycle through changing pack sizes was well known. The best time to spot them is just after a special offer finishes.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
And carton sizes....rcs1000 said:It will be very interesting to see before and after on Unilver pricing: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37650234
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That is why the referendum result turned so decisively for remain after his speech then ?murali_s said:
Not al all - Barack is also pure class - very different to right-wing, small-minded and bigoted dimwits like yourself!Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Bit like how her husbands similar brilliant speech won it for Remain...oh.murali_s said:
Simple but effective. This lady is so classy!619 said:https://twitter.com/mmurraypolitics/status/786610600268791809
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Trump in full flow. This is what a loser sounds like.0
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It isn't wrong. It is the basic raison d'etre of the EU. It is written right there in the treaties and is confirmed each time the ECJ makes a decision based on those treaties. It was the openly stated aim of the founders of the EEC and has continued to be the basic direction of travel for the EEC/EU over the last 40 years.Gardenwalker said:
The Comission, like all bureaucracies, will always try to centralise more power. Separately, the nation states have consistently found more things to cooperate on.Black_Rook said:FPT
No it is not. When has the EU ever stopped seeking to centralise more and more power to itself, and when has it tolerated any meaningful moves to return competences to member states? The commitment to ever closer union is enshrined in the Treaty of Rome and taken very seriously.Gardenwalker said:By the way, your premise that the EU has a logical conclusion through dissolution of the nation state is a sad, Brexit myth. It doesn't stand up to reason, or the facts.
Besides, it won't let go of the Euro for love nor money, and that alone requires a federal treasury accountable to a federal government to make it work.
But this is not the same thing as nation states dissolving themselves. Indeed, in the tussle between nation states and the Commission, the former do come out on top.
I'm certainly not saying EU governance is perfect - far from! - but the idea that it is a one way traffic to supranational serfdom is simply wrong. And very dangerous; it creates a mythical monster against which we are seem willing to sacrifice actual prosperity.0 -
Do you expect me to just soak this abuse up??ThreeQuidder said:
Be careful, you don't want to get hung out to dry.Jobabob said:0 -
Dominic Cummings doesn't seem like a happy bunny over on Twitter.0
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Aarrgghh the nasty EU man has a straight banana. Quick, let's trash the economy and make foreigners feel so uncomfortable here, they'll leave.0
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Calm down.ThreeQuidder said:
Indeed.TOPPING said:Fpt
Nice post.nielh said:I've been following the debate on here for some time.
I think people have far too much confidence on here that the current government can weather the course they have embarked on.
There must be a high chance that the current government will fall, when the implications of the Brexit strategy fall in to place. As it is starting to now. Scotland is one issue, Ireland is another, the economic fallout of the fall in value of the pound another. And then there are a whole host of other interrelated issues, issues that have already been considered but will start to become more real over the next few months: what happens to trident if Scotland becomes independent. What happens to the land border in Ireland. and so on.
These are all questions that we know about already, but they haven't been thought through by anyone to any conclusion, because there is so much uncertainty, and there are so many distractions as events roll out on a daily basis.
The key developments I would argue is that there is now an organised 'opposition' in parliament. Businesses are spooked. The bizarre movements of the pound. The statements by Nissan, land rover, American banks. Petrol prices have risen 10%.
In the town where I work every single private sector funded major investment project has been stopped or halted due to Brexit.
I'm not saying anything new, but all I am saying is look at the volatility. It is completely unprecedented. The decision to go forward with leaving the EU would result in vast political, economic and constitional chaos. I don't believe that the government can weather it. I believe that they will fall, and that the tories will not be able to decide how resolve it when they call a general election, because the Brexitters are already starting to argue amongst themselves.
And it is anyones guess how it could play out after that.
I think people are in denial about the true scale of the political, economic and social volatility the UK is currently in. The phoney peace is currently coming to an end, and people are starting to wake up.
On topic, from a betting point of view, I think the odds that A50 wont be triggered until the second half of next year are very good.
My own view is that it's when no one can see a catalyst for change in sight that change occurs.
And if the government and/or Parliament overrides the people's democratic decision on EU membership, there will be a major upheaval.
I know there is some daydream with you marching down Whitehall, pikestaff in hand, at the head of a mob of Brexiters, but that won't be required thank you. We're leaving. Really.
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1. If the Eurozone fails to federalise then how is the single currency ever to be made to work properly? The vast economic disparities between the member states can only be addressed through the issuance of common debt, by a common government that can raise common taxes, and by outright fiscal transfers - not through a combination of punitive austerity measures and massive loans (which, in the Greek case at least, the supplicant debtors have no realistic chance of ever repaying.)Gardenwalker said:
The Comission, like all bureaucracies, will always try to centralise more power. Separately, the nation states have consistently found more things to cooperate on.Black_Rook said:FPT
No it is not. When has the EU ever stopped seeking to centralise more and more power to itself, and when has it tolerated any meaningful moves to return competences to member states? The commitment to ever closer union is enshrined in the Treaty of Rome and taken very seriously.Gardenwalker said:By the way, your premise that the EU has a logical conclusion through dissolution of the nation state is a sad, Brexit myth. It doesn't stand up to reason, or the facts.
Besides, it won't let go of the Euro for love nor money, and that alone requires a federal treasury accountable to a federal government to make it work.
But this is not the same thing as nation states dissolving themselves. Indeed, in the tussle between nation states and the Commission, the former do come out on top.
I'm certainly not saying EU governance is perfect - far from! - but the idea that it is a one way traffic to supranational serfdom is simply wrong. And very dangerous; it creates a mythical monster against which we are seem willing to sacrifice actual prosperity.
2. If the Eurozone federalises then it therefore follows that (a) states within it will cease to exist as sovereign entities, and (b) remaining non-Euro states will probably find themselves as fax democracies a la Norway.0 -
I cannot. But it is hardly likely the EU (Commission) would do so. You might ask the same of Westminster, or even your local parish council.Indigo said:
Can you name one power assumed by the EU which on reflection they decided more correctly lay with the nation states in accordance with the principles of subsidiarity ? No ? Neither can I.Gardenwalker said:I'm certainly not saying EU governance is perfect - far from! - but the idea that it is a one way traffic to supranational serfdom is simply wrong. And very dangerous; it creates a mythical monster against which we are seem willing to sacrifice actual prosperity.
It is for the nation states to repatriate powers if they think it advisable. The U.K. has been relatively unsuccessful at pushing this agenda probably because it has preferred and been quite successful at securing the individual opt-out.0 -
Really it is post debate ?JackW said:Utah - Monmouth Uni - Sample 403 - 10-12 Oct
Clinton 28 .. Trump 34 .. McMullin 20
http://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/MonmouthPoll_UT_101316/
So Trump is not losing in Utah anymore?0 -
No, I think they said only people that drank G&T would noticeSquareRoot said:
That cannot be right.. the brexiters said it would hardly be noticed....ThreeQuidder said:
We already knew that every unpopular decision would be blamed on the Leave vote, whether or not it had anything to do with it. A 10% price rise on a product made entirely within the UK has nothing at all to do with it...Monksfield said:On the days events....
Cheers to Bob Dylan..... Poet for our times...
Massive cheers to Jessica Ennis Hill. A better role model for modern Britain would be very hard to find. She had my vote for Spoty in 12 and 15 and will have it again this year. You were fab Jess!
And jeers to Tesco. If the anglish poond drops by more than 15%, prices are going to go up. Period. I noticed petrol was up by 2p at my local BP on the way home. This is the cost of taking back control. 0 -
It's all spin.Jobabob said:
Do you expect me to just soak this abuse up??ThreeQuidder said:
Be careful, you don't want to get hung out to dry.Jobabob said:0
