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Are there no Russian candidates available?TheScreamingEagles said:
He might choose to be a one term Mayor.Tissue_Price said:
But he won't be in the HoC after that election. He'll have just been re-elected as Mayor.TheScreamingEagles said:
I reckon the mother of all shellackings in 2020 might focus minds.Pulpstar said:
I think 33s is about right. Remember the Lab selectors test first priority is not electabilityTheScreamingEagles said:
*Buffs nails*MikeSmithson said:Inevitably Khan is being talked of as a possible future LAB leader.
I did tip him at 33/1 as next Labour leader, I feel content.
I reckon electing a non white Muslim as Labour leader would appeal to those on the Corbynite left.0 -
No, May will be judged according to the standards of other bakers. Opposing baker Corbyn only offers a sugar free cake substitute.YellowSubmarine said:
In turn I disagree. The polling evidence suggests an absence of buyers remorse but that Brexit should involve having the cake, eating the cake and the cake costing no more than 50p. A very low price for any cake let alone a magic cake. Leave could promise a magic cake. Leave ceased to exist the morning after. There is no way to be hold Leave to account. Governments are different. Maybe May will deliver the cheap magic cake. In which case she'll be a statesperson and I'll be wrong. If the cake turns out to be expensive and can not be eaten or had then May will now be judged by magic cake standards.Mortimer said:I'm sorry, but I entirely disagree. Your approach would last for a news cycle, maybe even a week, before being seen as betrayal by, respectively, a) Tory party activists, who are overwhelmingly leavers, b) Tory party members, who are overwhelmingly in support of Leave, c) Tory party voters, who as a majority support Leave and as a vast majority accept the result of the 23rd June and d) voters in general, who voted for Leave and mostly accept the result as Brexit.
Owning the result and championing it is the only way to:
i) navigate the choppy parliamentary waters - allowing the Govt to brand those troublesome MPs and parties who are questioning the process or the actors as wanting to Leave in name only.
ii) convince our negotiating adversaries that we're willing to walk away
iii) which in turn might be the only way to secure a decent deal, if a deal is possible
iv) which is in turn the best way to go please the majority of the electorate
You're letting your distaste for the result cloud your judgement. You forget that not only are most people now not that bothered that we're leaving, but the majority of voters voted for it and thus want to see it done.0 -
What did Boris do in eight years as London mayor except fail in his ultimate aim of become PM?SquareRoot said:I doubt I am the only one to have mentioned it but Ihave not yet read the comments. Pray precisely what has Khan actually done since being elected? I cannot think of anything significant.
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@faisalislam: Mcfadden: "sight of erstwhile defenders of Parliamentary sovereignty, desperately pleading to give executive a blank check.. will not hold"
Indeed...0 -
Scott_P said:
@MrHarryCole: PA: Pound "hit its lowest point during a speech by Brexit Secretary David Davis. Shortly after Mr Davis sat down, the pound began to rise."
Correlation <> Causation
But you knew that
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I might do a thread urging Seumas Milne to become a Labour MP.Tissue_Price said:
Yes, picking up the pieces in 2020* looks 1997-Hague-like in its appeal; would-be PMs are best advised to wait.YellowSubmarine said:
I'm fairly sure he'll have had eye on 2025 not 2020.TheScreamingEagles said:
He might choose to be a one term Mayor.Tissue_Price said:
But he won't be in the HoC after that election. He'll have just been re-elected as Mayor.TheScreamingEagles said:
I reckon the mother of all shellackings in 2020 might focus minds.Pulpstar said:
I think 33s is about right. Remember the Lab selectors test first priority is not electabilityTheScreamingEagles said:
*Buffs nails*MikeSmithson said:Inevitably Khan is being talked of as a possible future LAB leader.
I did tip him at 33/1 as next Labour leader, I feel content.
I reckon electing a non white Muslim as Labour leader would appeal to those on the Corbynite left.
* assuming the Labour Party is still in one piece. Big assumption.
I'd have to sedate Mike first, who is clearly a major fan of Mr Milne, before I publish that thread0 -
Hurrah !TheScreamingEagles said:
By 2025 there might not be a Labour Party worth saving.YellowSubmarine said:
I'm fairly sure he'll have had eye on 2025 not 2020.TheScreamingEagles said:
He might choose to be a one term Mayor.Tissue_Price said:
But he won't be in the HoC after that election. He'll have just been re-elected as Mayor.TheScreamingEagles said:
I reckon the mother of all shellackings in 2020 might focus minds.Pulpstar said:
I think 33s is about right. Remember the Lab selectors test first priority is not electabilityTheScreamingEagles said:
*Buffs nails*MikeSmithson said:Inevitably Khan is being talked of as a possible future LAB leader.
I did tip him at 33/1 as next Labour leader, I feel content.
I reckon electing a non white Muslim as Labour leader would appeal to those on the Corbynite left.0 -
The Paul Mason rumour is more interesting.TheScreamingEagles said:
I might do a thread urging Seumas Milne to become a Labour MP.Tissue_Price said:
Yes, picking up the pieces in 2020* looks 1997-Hague-like in its appeal; would-be PMs are best advised to wait.YellowSubmarine said:
I'm fairly sure he'll have had eye on 2025 not 2020.TheScreamingEagles said:
He might choose to be a one term Mayor.Tissue_Price said:
But he won't be in the HoC after that election. He'll have just been re-elected as Mayor.TheScreamingEagles said:
I reckon the mother of all shellackings in 2020 might focus minds.Pulpstar said:
I think 33s is about right. Remember the Lab selectors test first priority is not electabilityTheScreamingEagles said:
*Buffs nails*MikeSmithson said:Inevitably Khan is being talked of as a possible future LAB leader.
I did tip him at 33/1 as next Labour leader, I feel content.
I reckon electing a non white Muslim as Labour leader would appeal to those on the Corbynite left.
* assuming the Labour Party is still in one piece. Big assumption.
I'd have to sedate Mike first, who is clearly a major fan of Mr Milne, before I publish that thread0 -
Anyone would be out of their depth. This isn't just any Brexit. It's an entirely unplanned and accidental Brexit framed by the promises of the postmodern Leave Campaign. In the future everyone will take back control for 15 minutes. In the circumstances the British deep state ( who May personifies ) has done fantastically well so far. ( Criticism of Carney is also unfair. He activated the air bag ) All we had is the necessary devaluation in a relatively orderly manner with a couple of big picture policy choices to give the impression of a plan. None of which means the quicksand's won't consume May in the end. It's just it's implausible to argue anyone else would be doing better. I'm just bemused why she's so categorically taken ownership of the original car crash.FF43 said:I think Theresa May is out of her depth on Brexit, What it needs is someone who can smartly navigate the shark infested waters. Someone with a sharp, agile mind; charm melded with a ruthless focus on the end goal. Instead we have an unimaginative, charmless, process-driven administrator.
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He's FM now. Major also was an FM.nunu said:
What did Boris do in eight years as London mayor except fail in his ultimate aim of become PM?SquareRoot said:I doubt I am the only one to have mentioned it but Ihave not yet read the comments. Pray precisely what has Khan actually done since being elected? I cannot think of anything significant.
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We cannot be that lucky. We hit the jackpot when Corbyn became leader.Tissue_Price said:
The Paul Mason rumour is more interesting.TheScreamingEagles said:
I might do a thread urging Seumas Milne to become a Labour MP.Tissue_Price said:
Yes, picking up the pieces in 2020* looks 1997-Hague-like in its appeal; would-be PMs are best advised to wait.YellowSubmarine said:
I'm fairly sure he'll have had eye on 2025 not 2020.TheScreamingEagles said:
He might choose to be a one term Mayor.Tissue_Price said:
But he won't be in the HoC after that election. He'll have just been re-elected as Mayor.TheScreamingEagles said:
I reckon the mother of all shellackings in 2020 might focus minds.Pulpstar said:
I think 33s is about right. Remember the Lab selectors test first priority is not electabilityTheScreamingEagles said:
*Buffs nails*MikeSmithson said:Inevitably Khan is being talked of as a possible future LAB leader.
I did tip him at 33/1 as next Labour leader, I feel content.
I reckon electing a non white Muslim as Labour leader would appeal to those on the Corbynite left.
* assuming the Labour Party is still in one piece. Big assumption.
I'd have to sedate Mike first, who is clearly a major fan of Mr Milne, before I publish that thread0 -
Mr. Submarine, Cameron had every opportunity (and duty) to do some of the groundwork before the vote.0
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Oh Moeen...Moeen...Moeen....shakes head.0
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I don't think Mandelson would do it though.FF43 said:I think Theresa May is out of her depth on Brexit, What it needs is someone who can smartly navigate the shark infested waters. Someone with a sharp, agile mind; charm melded with a ruthless focus on the end goal. Instead we have an unimaginative, charmless, process-driven administrator.
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Yes. She can't lose to Corbyn. She can only lose to the 1922 Committee.Philip_Thompson said:
No, May will be judged according to the standards of other bakers. Opposing baker Corbyn only offers a sugar free cake substitute.YellowSubmarine said:
In turn I disagree. The polling evidence suggests an absence of buyers remorse but that Brexit should involve having the cake, eating the cake and the cake costing no more than 50p. A very low price for any cake let alone a magic cake. Leave could promise a magic cake. Leave ceased to exist the morning after. There is no way to be hold Leave to account. Governments are different. Maybe May will deliver the cheap magic cake. In which case she'll be a statesperson and I'll be wrong. If the cake turns out to be expensive and can not be eaten or had then May will now be judged by magic cake standards.Mortimer said:I'm sorry, but I entirely disagree. Your approach would last for a news cycle, maybe even a week, before being seen as betrayal by, respectively, a) Tory party activists, who are overwhelmingly leavers, b) Tory party members, who are overwhelmingly in support of Leave, c) Tory party voters, who as a majority support Leave and as a vast majority accept the result of the 23rd June and d) voters in general, who voted for Leave and mostly accept the result as Brexit.
Owning the result and championing it is the only way to:
i) navigate the choppy parliamentary waters - allowing the Govt to brand those troublesome MPs and parties who are questioning the process or the actors as wanting to Leave in name only.
ii) convince our negotiating adversaries that we're willing to walk away
iii) which in turn might be the only way to secure a decent deal, if a deal is possible
iv) which is in turn the best way to go please the majority of the electorate
You're letting your distaste for the result cloud your judgement. You forget that not only are most people now not that bothered that we're leaving, but the majority of voters voted for it and thus want to see it done.0 -
@WalkTheLinesLDN: Norman St John-Stevas was once accused of name-dropping. 'The Queen said the same to me only yesterday,' he replied.0
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Nonsense, the Tories hit the jackpot when Osborne got sacked.TheScreamingEagles said:
We cannot be that lucky. We hit the jackpot when Corbyn became leader.Tissue_Price said:
The Paul Mason rumour is more interesting.TheScreamingEagles said:
I might do a thread urging Seumas Milne to become a Labour MP.Tissue_Price said:
Yes, picking up the pieces in 2020* looks 1997-Hague-like in its appeal; would-be PMs are best advised to wait.YellowSubmarine said:
I'm fairly sure he'll have had eye on 2025 not 2020.TheScreamingEagles said:
He might choose to be a one term Mayor.Tissue_Price said:
But he won't be in the HoC after that election. He'll have just been re-elected as Mayor.TheScreamingEagles said:
I reckon the mother of all shellackings in 2020 might focus minds.Pulpstar said:
I think 33s is about right. Remember the Lab selectors test first priority is not electabilityTheScreamingEagles said:
*Buffs nails*MikeSmithson said:Inevitably Khan is being talked of as a possible future LAB leader.
I did tip him at 33/1 as next Labour leader, I feel content.
I reckon electing a non white Muslim as Labour leader would appeal to those on the Corbynite left.
* assuming the Labour Party is still in one piece. Big assumption.
I'd have to sedate Mike first, who is clearly a major fan of Mr Milne, before I publish that thread0 -
Things couldn't be going more prefectly for the Dems. These 360 Republicans have managed to alienate a fraction of the NeverTrump and a fraction of the TrueTrump believers. If they turn into DNVs then we could be looking at a wave.Speedy said:On topic.
Khan will never win the Labour selectorate.
It's very Pro-Corbyn, and Khan has nailed his colours on the anti-Corbyn faction.
On Previous topic.
Leading Republicans rejoin Trump:
https://twitter.com/Taniel/status/786216079479537664
As I said yesterday, a lot of 360 degree turns will occur since Friday.
It's almost like Clinton read my pre debate advice.0 -
We need a government of national unity to deal with Brexit.williamglenn said:
I don't think Mandelson would do it though.FF43 said:I think Theresa May is out of her depth on Brexit, What it needs is someone who can smartly navigate the shark infested waters. Someone with a sharp, agile mind; charm melded with a ruthless focus on the end goal. Instead we have an unimaginative, charmless, process-driven administrator.
Ken Clarke as PM
George Osborne as Chancellor
The Lord Mandelson as Brexit & International Trade Secretary
Hilary Benn as Foreign Secretary0 -
Reasons Im glad we are leaving #94.0
Germany pushes to force the EU to BAN petrol and diesel cars by 2030
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Correct. And so mismanaged was Boris' announcement on the Night Tube (hopelessly premature, poorly organised, uncollegiate) that he deserved to lose the credit to Sadiq.AlastairMeeks said:Boris Johnson can't complain about not getting the credit for the night tube. He was entirely happy to have the bikes (inherited from Ken Livingstone) named after him.
It was an easy win of perception for Khan but such is politics –blundering Boris was the architect of his own demise on that particular policy I am afraid.0 -
we could get them nice offices in FranceTheScreamingEagles said:
We need a government of national unity to deal with Brexit.williamglenn said:
I don't think Mandelson would do it though.FF43 said:I think Theresa May is out of her depth on Brexit, What it needs is someone who can smartly navigate the shark infested waters. Someone with a sharp, agile mind; charm melded with a ruthless focus on the end goal. Instead we have an unimaginative, charmless, process-driven administrator.
Ken Clarke as PM
George Osborne as Chancellor
The Lord Mandelson as Brexit & International Trade Secretary
Hilary Benn as Foreign Secretary
Vichy looks good0 -
Not bad except I'd replace Benn with Nick Clegg.TheScreamingEagles said:
We need a government of national unity to deal with Brexit.williamglenn said:
I don't think Mandelson would do it though.FF43 said:I think Theresa May is out of her depth on Brexit, What it needs is someone who can smartly navigate the shark infested waters. Someone with a sharp, agile mind; charm melded with a ruthless focus on the end goal. Instead we have an unimaginative, charmless, process-driven administrator.
Ken Clarke as PM
George Osborne as Chancellor
The Lord Mandelson as Brexit & International Trade Secretary
Hilary Benn as Foreign Secretary0 -
chortlePaul_Bedfordshire said:
Reasons Im glad we are leaving #94.0
Germany pushes to force the EU to BAN petrol and diesel cars by 2030
http://dailym.ai/2efSQIs
they've made such a success of diesel it was inevitable0 -
Groundwork for what? Some Leavers wanted EEA no customs union, some customs union only, some full WTO, and some full free trade with no external tariffs. What exact ground work would you have wanted and trusted since you clearly didn't trust the modelling work the treasury did on the different options?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Submarine, Cameron had every opportunity (and duty) to do some of the groundwork before the vote.
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Tsk, are you calling Remainers collaborators?Alanbrooke said:
we could get them nice offices in FranceTheScreamingEagles said:
We need a government of national unity to deal with Brexit.williamglenn said:
I don't think Mandelson would do it though.FF43 said:I think Theresa May is out of her depth on Brexit, What it needs is someone who can smartly navigate the shark infested waters. Someone with a sharp, agile mind; charm melded with a ruthless focus on the end goal. Instead we have an unimaginative, charmless, process-driven administrator.
Ken Clarke as PM
George Osborne as Chancellor
The Lord Mandelson as Brexit & International Trade Secretary
Hilary Benn as Foreign Secretary
Vichy looks good0 -
Well it gives VW plenty of time to work out how to hide their engines...Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Reasons Im glad we are leaving #94.0
Germany pushes to force the EU to BAN petrol and diesel cars by 2030
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certainly not.TheScreamingEagles said:
Tsk, are you calling Remainers collaborators?Alanbrooke said:
we could get them nice offices in FranceTheScreamingEagles said:
We need a government of national unity to deal with Brexit.williamglenn said:
I don't think Mandelson would do it though.FF43 said:I think Theresa May is out of her depth on Brexit, What it needs is someone who can smartly navigate the shark infested waters. Someone with a sharp, agile mind; charm melded with a ruthless focus on the end goal. Instead we have an unimaginative, charmless, process-driven administrator.
Ken Clarke as PM
George Osborne as Chancellor
The Lord Mandelson as Brexit & International Trade Secretary
Hilary Benn as Foreign Secretary
Vichy looks good
I'm calling them French0 -
There are two potential Brexit majorities in the current HoC. One is a blocking majority on leaving the Single Market. The other is for complete immigration control. Putting either together will involve lots of cross party and probably contra whip voting. The only alternative is an early election.TheScreamingEagles said:
We need a government of national unity to deal with Brexit.williamglenn said:
I don't think Mandelson would do it though.FF43 said:I think Theresa May is out of her depth on Brexit, What it needs is someone who can smartly navigate the shark infested waters. Someone with a sharp, agile mind; charm melded with a ruthless focus on the end goal. Instead we have an unimaginative, charmless, process-driven administrator.
Ken Clarke as PM
George Osborne as Chancellor
The Lord Mandelson as Brexit & International Trade Secretary
Hilary Benn as Foreign Secretary0 -
That's defamatory.Alanbrooke said:
certainly not.TheScreamingEagles said:
Tsk, are you calling Remainers collaborators?Alanbrooke said:
we could get them nice offices in FranceTheScreamingEagles said:
We need a government of national unity to deal with Brexit.williamglenn said:
I don't think Mandelson would do it though.FF43 said:I think Theresa May is out of her depth on Brexit, What it needs is someone who can smartly navigate the shark infested waters. Someone with a sharp, agile mind; charm melded with a ruthless focus on the end goal. Instead we have an unimaginative, charmless, process-driven administrator.
Ken Clarke as PM
George Osborne as Chancellor
The Lord Mandelson as Brexit & International Trade Secretary
Hilary Benn as Foreign Secretary
Vichy looks good
I'm calling them French0 -
Nor do I. Too busy with his duties as Chair of the shit political failure society. Sudden influx of new members.williamglenn said:
I don't think Mandelson would do it though.FF43 said:I think Theresa May is out of her depth on Brexit, What it needs is someone who can smartly navigate the shark infested waters. Someone with a sharp, agile mind; charm melded with a ruthless focus on the end goal. Instead we have an unimaginative, charmless, process-driven administrator.
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If you had read the head e r you would have realized it was in response to OGH saying voters thought he was doing well ... g having done approx Zippo so far.Monksfield said:
Give the guy a chance? He's had less than 5 months, including the summer.SquareRoot said:I doubt I am the only one to have mentioned it but Ihave not yet read the comments. Pray precisely what has Khan actually done since being elected? I cannot think of anything significant.
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We're leaving the EU and the single market, there should be no blocking or delaying of that. The people have spoken, the bastardsYellowSubmarine said:
There are two potential Brexit majorities in the current HoC. One is a blocking majority on leaving the Single Market. The other is for complete immigration control. Putting either together will involve lots of cross party and probably contra whip voting. The only alternative is an early election.TheScreamingEagles said:
We need a government of national unity to deal with Brexit.williamglenn said:
I don't think Mandelson would do it though.FF43 said:I think Theresa May is out of her depth on Brexit, What it needs is someone who can smartly navigate the shark infested waters. Someone with a sharp, agile mind; charm melded with a ruthless focus on the end goal. Instead we have an unimaginative, charmless, process-driven administrator.
Ken Clarke as PM
George Osborne as Chancellor
The Lord Mandelson as Brexit & International Trade Secretary
Hilary Benn as Foreign Secretary
What there should be is a comprehensive debate on what that all means, so for posterity we know who the guilty men and women are if Brexit turns out to be an economic disaster, and plus we get the very best trying to get a good deal for the post Brexit world to ensure we get a good deal.0 -
at least collaborators has a sense of self respectTheScreamingEagles said:
That's defamatory.Alanbrooke said:
certainly not.TheScreamingEagles said:
Tsk, are you calling Remainers collaborators?Alanbrooke said:
we could get them nice offices in FranceTheScreamingEagles said:
We need a government of national unity to deal with Brexit.williamglenn said:
I don't think Mandelson would do it though.FF43 said:I think Theresa May is out of her depth on Brexit, What it needs is someone who can smartly navigate the shark infested waters. Someone with a sharp, agile mind; charm melded with a ruthless focus on the end goal. Instead we have an unimaginative, charmless, process-driven administrator.
Ken Clarke as PM
George Osborne as Chancellor
The Lord Mandelson as Brexit & International Trade Secretary
Hilary Benn as Foreign Secretary
Vichy looks good
I'm calling them French0 -
Except deliver the small matter of the Night Tube – yes it was Boris's project but so badly mismanaged was his launch it was eventually actually delivered under Sadiq. And the new mayor has won the credit of the public for bringing it forward.SquareRoot said:
If you had read the head e r you would have realized it was in response to OGH saying voters thought he was doing well ... g having done approx Zippo so far.Monksfield said:
Give the guy a chance? He's had less than 5 months, including the summer.SquareRoot said:I doubt I am the only one to have mentioned it but Ihave not yet read the comments. Pray precisely what has Khan actually done since being elected? I cannot think of anything significant.
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Blame sjw's for that.Morris_Dancer said:On Khan: he has banned images of healthy women in bikinis from ads on the Tube.
Not a fan of that. During the burkini ban fracas he was all in favour of women wearing what they want.0 -
how the hell will we get a good deal if Osbornes involved ? The pied piper of Hinckley is just a faecal Midas.TheScreamingEagles said:
We're leaving the EU and the single market, there should be no blocking or delaying of that. The people have spoken, the bastardsYellowSubmarine said:
There are two potential Brexit majorities in the current HoC. One is a blocking majority on leaving the Single Market. The other is for complete immigration control. Putting either together will involve lots of cross party and probably contra whip voting. The only alternative is an early election.TheScreamingEagles said:
We need a government of national unity to deal with Brexit.williamglenn said:
I don't think Mandelson would do it though.FF43 said:I think Theresa May is out of her depth on Brexit, What it needs is someone who can smartly navigate the shark infested waters. Someone with a sharp, agile mind; charm melded with a ruthless focus on the end goal. Instead we have an unimaginative, charmless, process-driven administrator.
Ken Clarke as PM
George Osborne as Chancellor
The Lord Mandelson as Brexit & International Trade Secretary
Hilary Benn as Foreign Secretary
What there should be is a comprehensive debate on what that all means, so for posterity we know who the guilty men and women are if Brexit turns out to be an economic disaster, and plus we get the very best trying to get a good deal for the post Brexit world to ensure we get a good deal.0 -
Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Reasons Im glad we are leaving #94.0
Germany pushes to force the EU to BAN petrol and diesel cars by 2030
http://dailym.ai/2efSQIs
Sounds very sensible, what's the problem? Hopefully the first autonomous cars will be making an appearance by then.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Reasons Im glad we are leaving #94.0
Germany pushes to force the EU to BAN petrol and diesel cars by 2030
http://dailym.ai/2efSQIs0 -
out here in bumpkin land we still all think Sadiq is a wanker who's done nothing for us.Jobabob said:
Except deliver the small matter of the Night Tube – yes it was Boris's project but so badly mismanaged was his launch it was eventually actually delivered under Sadiq. And the new mayor has won the credit of the public for bringing it forward.SquareRoot said:
If you had read the head e r you would have realized it was in response to OGH saying voters thought he was doing well ... g having done approx Zippo so far.Monksfield said:
Give the guy a chance? He's had less than 5 months, including the summer.SquareRoot said:I doubt I am the only one to have mentioned it but Ihave not yet read the comments. Pray precisely what has Khan actually done since being elected? I cannot think of anything significant.
Public credit = zero0 -
Has Hollande just thrown in the towel ?
first he puts Marianne in a burka now he says he'll vote Sarkozy in the second round
http://www.lefigaro.fr/politique/le-scan/2016/10/11/25001-20161011ARTFIG00389-2017-hollande-pret-a-voter-pour-sarkozy-au-second-tour-face-a-le-pen.php0 -
If Parliament want to play silly b's and try and force a substantive vote on Brexit then all May hast to do is link it to a vote of no confidence and win the subsequent GE by a land slide0
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I'm sympathetic to lots of that. Certainly the government is doing everything in it's power to signal we're leaving the Single Market other than selling the words " we're leaving the Single Market ". I can't see the debate going much further until they choose or are forced to say that out loud. The danger is our options collapse one by one and we are left with the Brexit that's left not a Brexit we actively choose. As for the ' all the talents ' issue well in an ideal world yes. But this is politics. So many people are psychologically and politically invested in it being either a triumph or a disaster. Who will selflessly do the grind ? Only Hammond seems to be playing this role as far as I can see. And he's already engulfed in a briefing war to the death with the Three Brexiteers.TheScreamingEagles said:
We're leaving the EU and the single market, there should be no blocking or delaying of that. The people have spoken, the bastardsYellowSubmarine said:
There are two potential Brexit majorities in the current HoC. One is a blocking majority on leaving the Single Market. The other is for complete immigration control. Putting either together will involve lots of cross party and probably contra whip voting. The only alternative is an early election.TheScreamingEagles said:
We need a government of national unity to deal with Brexit.williamglenn said:
I don't think Mandelson would do it though.FF43 said:I think Theresa May is out of her depth on Brexit, What it needs is someone who can smartly navigate the shark infested waters. Someone with a sharp, agile mind; charm melded with a ruthless focus on the end goal. Instead we have an unimaginative, charmless, process-driven administrator.
Ken Clarke as PM
George Osborne as Chancellor
The Lord Mandelson as Brexit & International Trade Secretary
Hilary Benn as Foreign Secretary
What there should be is a comprehensive debate on what that all means, so for posterity we know who the guilty men and women are if Brexit turns out to be an economic disaster, and plus we get the very best trying to get a good deal for the post Brexit world to ensure we get a good deal.0 -
Why would he do anything for you, given that he is mayor of London?Alanbrooke said:
out here in bumpkin land we still all think Sadiq is a wanker who's done nothing for us.Jobabob said:
Except deliver the small matter of the Night Tube – yes it was Boris's project but so badly mismanaged was his launch it was eventually actually delivered under Sadiq. And the new mayor has won the credit of the public for bringing it forward.SquareRoot said:
If you had read the head e r you would have realized it was in response to OGH saying voters thought he was doing well ... g having done approx Zippo so far.Monksfield said:
Give the guy a chance? He's had less than 5 months, including the summer.SquareRoot said:I doubt I am the only one to have mentioned it but Ihave not yet read the comments. Pray precisely what has Khan actually done since being elected? I cannot think of anything significant.
Public credit = zero0 -
Of the people Tezza did not needlessly sack, Hammond is our best hope, and if he can't beat the 3 Brexiteers then we really are up the suwanee...YellowSubmarine said:Who will selflessly do the grind ? Only Hammond seems to be playing this role as far as I can see. And he's already engulfed in a briefing war to the death with the Three Brexiteers.
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Playing with a train set.YellowSubmarine said:All three London Mayor's todate have understood the job.
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London does nothing for us either.Jobabob said:
Why would he do anything for you, given that he is mayor of London?Alanbrooke said:
out here in bumpkin land we still all think Sadiq is a wanker who's done nothing for us.Jobabob said:
Except deliver the small matter of the Night Tube – yes it was Boris's project but so badly mismanaged was his launch it was eventually actually delivered under Sadiq. And the new mayor has won the credit of the public for bringing it forward.SquareRoot said:
If you had read the head e r you would have realized it was in response to OGH saying voters thought he was doing well ... g having done approx Zippo so far.Monksfield said:
Give the guy a chance? He's had less than 5 months, including the summer.SquareRoot said:I doubt I am the only one to have mentioned it but Ihave not yet read the comments. Pray precisely what has Khan actually done since being elected? I cannot think of anything significant.
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Deliver it.. it was only delayed.. what input did he actually hsve??Jobabob said:
Except deliver the small matter of the Night Tube – yes it was Boris's project but so badly mismanaged was his launch it was eventually actually delivered under Sadiq. And the new mayor has won the credit of the public for bringing it forward.SquareRoot said:
If you had read the head e r you would have realized it was in response to OGH saying voters thought he was doing well ... g having done approx Zippo so far.Monksfield said:
Give the guy a chance? He's had less than 5 months, including the summer.SquareRoot said:I doubt I am the only one to have mentioned it but Ihave not yet read the comments. Pray precisely what has Khan actually done since being elected? I cannot think of anything significant.
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A train set with nearly 700 stations!!chestnut said:
Playing with a train set.YellowSubmarine said:All three London Mayor's todate have understood the job.
http://content.tfl.gov.uk/london-rail-and-tube-services-map.pdf
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@faisalislam: Former UK Attorney General Dominic Grieve warns the Commons in Brexit debate that the Repeal process will "jeopardise the rule of law"0
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You seem to have developed bunny boiler tendencies towards Faisal Islam.Scott_P said:@faisalislam: Former UK Attorney General Dominic Grieve warns the Commons in Brexit debate that the Repeal process will "jeopardise the rule of law"
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Were you typing with one hand?TheScreamingEagles said:
We need a government of national unity to deal with Brexit.williamglenn said:
I don't think Mandelson would do it though.FF43 said:I think Theresa May is out of her depth on Brexit, What it needs is someone who can smartly navigate the shark infested waters. Someone with a sharp, agile mind; charm melded with a ruthless focus on the end goal. Instead we have an unimaginative, charmless, process-driven administrator.
Ken Clarke as PM
George Osborne as Chancellor
The Lord Mandelson as Brexit & International Trade Secretary
Hilary Benn as Foreign Secretary
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Scott_P is Faisal Islam?chestnut said:
You seem to have developed bunny boiler tendencies towards Faisal Islam.Scott_P said:@faisalislam: Former UK Attorney General Dominic Grieve warns the Commons in Brexit debate that the Repeal process will "jeopardise the rule of law"
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There will probably be an exemption for old classic cars - which will be the only ones you'll be able to get anyway, by 2030.not_on_fire said:Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Reasons Im glad we are leaving #94.0
Germany pushes to force the EU to BAN petrol and diesel cars by 2030
http://dailym.ai/2efSQIs
Sounds very sensible, what's the problem? Hopefully the first autonomous cars will be making an appearance by then.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Reasons Im glad we are leaving #94.0
Germany pushes to force the EU to BAN petrol and diesel cars by 2030
http://dailym.ai/2efSQIs
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Mr. P, Grieve's coming across as the sort of chap who lies back and thinks of Brussels.0
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In person early voting starts in Ohio today. Low energy, unenthused Hilary voters slink to the polls. #anecdote #clintonintrouble
https://twitter.com/jaymplant/status/7861645427285073920 -
Shy Trumpeteers surely!Alistair said:In person early voting starts in Ohio today. Low energy, unenthused Hilary voters slink to the polls. #anecdote #clintonintrouble
https://twitter.com/jaymplant/status/786164542728507392
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Mr Dancer - Grieve is a lawyer, I suspect EU laws have been good for trade.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. P, Grieve's coming across as the sort of chap who lies back and thinks of Brussels.
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Masterly inactivity accounts for Mrs May's good marks too.SquareRoot said:
If you had read the head e r you would have realized it was in response to OGH saying voters thought he was doing well ... g having done approx Zippo so far.Monksfield said:
Give the guy a chance? He's had less than 5 months, including the summer.SquareRoot said:I doubt I am the only one to have mentioned it but Ihave not yet read the comments. Pray precisely what has Khan actually done since being elected? I cannot think of anything significant.
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Mr. Jim, I agree entirely, although Grieve does seem wet generally.0
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https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/786247938791972865
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Oh he is, I was at a Conference fringe event a few years ago where he spent the entire evening agreeing with the newly minted Shadow AG.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Jim, I agree entirely, although Grieve does seem wet generally.
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I see this Stephen Phillips is the MP for Sleaford and North Hykeham. I'm sure his constituents aren't too bothered about immigration. I'm also sure he told the absolute truth during the selection process to become the Tory candidate.0
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Thai king in unstable medical condition:
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So did David Davis at another event.ToryJim said:
Oh he is, I was at a Conference fringe event a few years ago where he spent the entire evening agreeing with the newly minted Shadow AG.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Jim, I agree entirely, although Grieve does seem wet generally.
Lest we forget, Andy Burnham had to apologise for smearing both David Davis & Lady Chakrabati
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2008/jun/19/andyburnham.daviddavis0 -
in baby oil ?TheScreamingEagles said:
So did David Davis at another event.ToryJim said:
Oh he is, I was at a Conference fringe event a few years ago where he spent the entire evening agreeing with the newly minted Shadow AG.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Jim, I agree entirely, although Grieve does seem wet generally.
Lest we forget, Andy Burnham had to apologise for smearing both David Davis & Lady Chakrabati
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In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man etc......
Khan hasn't said or done so far anything silly as Mayor (though he was very silly to nominate Corbyn). So obviously he looks like a Titan compared to the Labour front bench. Plus he's no longer an MP so can avoid for now all the shenanigans that have afflicted the PLP over the last year.
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Trump UA energising minority voters in a way Obama never could.Alistair said:In person early voting starts in Ohio today. Low energy, unenthused Hilary voters slink to the polls. #anecdote #clintonintrouble
https://twitter.com/jaymplant/status/7861645427285073920 -
Nate Cohn @Nate_Cohn
Why did Clinton surge in the LAT/USC poll today? One 19 year old black Trump supporter dropped out of the sample http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/13/upshot/how-one-19-year-old-illinois-man-is-distorting-national-polling-averages.html?_r=0
Ive already seen 610 post this, but it is so ridiculous that I'm posting it again.0 -
Its YouGov flawed panel demographics all over again, where those that like Ant are Communists and those that like Dec are fascists.619 said:https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/786247938791972865
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@Jobabob
'Except deliver the small matter of the Night Tube – yes it was Boris's project but so badly mismanaged was his launch it was eventually actually delivered under Sadiq.'
The RMT union that was blocking it recommended acceptance of pay & conditions in February this year.
Khan did nothing. .0 -
It's a shame Ms Perry is no longer Rail Minister. We had a long running joke of referring to her as Katy Perry.Alanbrooke said:ROFL
just watching Ed Cleggy and Claire Perry trying to look relevant0 -
I think it's pretty clear that he is drifting towards his end, which could cause problems given his successor isn't as well regarded etc.Morris_Dancer said:Thai king in unstable medical condition:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-37634077
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Missouri - Monmouth Uni - Sample 406 - 9-11 Oct
Clinton 41 .. Trump 46
http://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/MonmouthPoll_MO_101216/0 -
Anyway, time to go and indulge the joys of proofreading. And also play Tomb Raider. But mostly proofreading.0
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I am simultaneously android delighted and annoyed by this.TheScreamingEagles said:
Delighted because it is an excellent description of what was happening. Pissed of because I was in the middle of requesting the data to analyse myself to find this out.
The way the Black vote jumped in such a huge digital step up and down had made me very suspicious of the weighting and number if African Americans in the poll.0 -
chestnut said:
Playing with a train set.YellowSubmarine said:All three London Mayor's todate have understood the job.
Ychestnut said:
Playing with a train set.YellowSubmarine said:All three London Mayor's todate have understood the job.
Its a glorified county council.chestnut said:
Playing with a train set.YellowSubmarine said:All three London Mayor's todate have understood the job.
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So in the "awkward" squad we have:
Ken Clarke
Anna Soubry
Dominic Grieve
Claire Perry
Chris Philp
Nicky Morgan
Stephen Phillips
If it came to a vote, that leaves a working majority of just 2.
Yes I know, Philips voted to Leave, and I haven't factored in the DUP -- but it's tight all the same.0 -
Except Labour MPs wont all be in one direction on this surely?Gardenwalker said:So in the "awkward" squad we have:
Ken Clarke
Anna Soubry
Dominic Grieve
Claire Perry
Chris Philp
Nicky Morgan
Stephen Phillips
If it came to a vote, that leaves a working majority of just 2.
Yes I know, Philips voted to Leave, and I haven't factored in the DUP -- but it's right all the same.0 -
I doubt it, the Police are on the look out for creepy clowns, it's only a matter of time until they're picked up.Gardenwalker said:So in the "awkward" squad we have:
Ken Clarke
Anna Soubry
Dominic Grieve
Claire Perry
Chris Philp
Nicky Morgan
Stephen Phillips
If it came to a vote, that leaves a working majority of just 2.
Yes I know, Philips voted to Leave, and I haven't factored in the DUP -- but it's right all the same.0 -
https://twitter.com/brookestimes/status/786178606221316097Alanbrooke said:I doubt it, the Police are on the look out for creepy clowns, it's only a matter of time until they're picked up.
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If May can hold on, perhaps immigration will actually go down naturally in response to a falling pound and uncertainties over residency status:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/12/number-of-eu-workers-coming-to-britain-to-fall-sharply-before-br/0 -
Who will spare us from the horror of a democratic verdict being acted upon? *swoon*Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/brookestimes/status/786178606221316097Alanbrooke said:I doubt it, the Police are on the look out for creepy clowns, it's only a matter of time until they're picked up.
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@ITVJoel: Unilever told Tesco it wanted to up its prices by 10% due to weak £. Tesco refused and so, as of today, Unilever is not supplying them.
@PaulBrandITV: Brexit just got real. No more Hellmans Mayo or Marmite in Tesco! twitter.com/itvjoel/status…
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Nicholas Soames, George Osborne and others too. People will be calculating when to stand up and speak out. There will be Labour MPs going the other way, of course. And at some stage Corbyn and McDonnell are going to want to sabotage the whole Labour effort.Gardenwalker said:So in the "awkward" squad we have:
Ken Clarke
Anna Soubry
Dominic Grieve
Claire Perry
Chris Philp
Nicky Morgan
Stephen Phillips
If it came to a vote, that leaves a working majority of just 2.
Yes I know, Philips voted to Leave, and I haven't factored in the DUP -- but it's tight all the same.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbC_HNHQ9JYScott_P said:
https://twitter.com/brookestimes/status/786178606221316097Alanbrooke said:I doubt it, the Police are on the look out for creepy clowns, it's only a matter of time until they're picked up.
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@JoannaPartridge: I've been told #Tesco isn't the only major retailer which has been approached by #Unilever, who are demanding 10% price rises across board0
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who will it hurt more Unilever or Tesco ?Scott_P said:@ITVJoel: Unilever told Tesco it wanted to up its prices by 10% due to weak £. Tesco refused and so, as of today, Unilever is not supplying them.
@PaulBrandITV: Brexit just got real. No more Hellmans Mayo or Marmite in Tesco! twitter.com/itvjoel/status…
@PaulBrandITV: Or online at least - still in stores
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sell UnileverScott_P said:@JoannaPartridge: I've been told #Tesco isn't the only major retailer which has been approached by #Unilever, who are demanding 10% price rises across board
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Is there a current price anywhere for the UK NOT to leave the EU? It's got to be a value bet now. If Jeremy Corbyn is landing blows over Brexit, it's dead in the water.0
