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When Boris Johnson was Mayor of London he always manage to secure better poll ratings than just about any of his Tory colleagues. For almost his entire 8 years at City Hall his leadership ratings remained positive and so it has been so far with Sadiq Khan who was elected in May.
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1 possibility is that mayors are dedicated to useful if boring housekeeping tasks whose utility is obvious to everyone. Even their extravagances are relatively trivial (bendy buses and bikes, not HS2 and Hinkley Point) and they don't spend time on whether to enter a customs union with Birmingham and Bristol. National politicians take note.
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There's nothing extraordinary about Tory voters approving of someone who delivers pragmatic politics.0
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*Buffs nails*MikeSmithson said:Inevitably Khan is being talked of as a possible future LAB leader.
I did tip him at 33/1 as next Labour leader, I feel content.0 -
@faisalislam: Nicky Morgan: "All Conservative members of parliament elected in 2015 signed up to 'we say Yes to the Single Market'" in manifesto0
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Especially someone who is content to dismiss the Labour leader as not PM material. He's quite right there.Jason said:There's nothing extraordinary about Tory voters approving of someone who delivers pragmatic politics.
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Even in London, Theresa May is preferred as PM over Corbyn by 42/23%0
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I could see him being the next Labour Prime Minister. Not convinced Labour is in the right position to move straight from Corbyn to Khan as leader though.0
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Sadiq Khan has been one of the most sure-footed Remainers in tone and response to the vote. I expect that in a heavily Remain-leaning city that has done him no harm at all.
I wouldn't back him to be next Labour leader though. His not being in Parliament means that he has a very difficult route to that role.
Next but one, maybe.0 -
Sadiq has managed the media well.
He has charisma and looks the very model of a modern, multi-cultural mayor.
Unfortunately he's not very smart.
That needn't be a hindrance. He's definitely more impressive, in the round, than anyone on the Labour front bench save possibly Sir Keir who seems to have had a good 24 hours!0 -
Labour backbenchers heaping praise on Nicky Morgan...0
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It's funny, the chap in the video, Stefan Molyneux has been accused of running a cult and brainwashing peoplefelix said:
The obsession continues.PlatoSaid said:This is rather fun long watch from a guy specialing in moral philosophy and politics. He's done some really interesting videos. Last week was with Scott Adams.
https://youtu.be/TuLtbcclcfM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/my-child-left-join-cult-62865340 -
Good day today.
Trump won't win.
Yet more evidence that Corbyn is a hard left, Trotskyist stooge and unelectable.
And the government getting some much needed scrutiny from our parliament.
All is right(ish) with the world.0 -
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They also committed to reducing immigration to the 10s of thousands.Scott_P said:@faisalislam: Nicky Morgan: "All Conservative members of parliament elected in 2015 signed up to 'we say Yes to the Single Market'" in manifesto
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But the people voted to LEAVE...Scott_P said:@faisalislam: Nicky Morgan: "All Conservative members of parliament elected in 2015 signed up to 'we say Yes to the Single Market'" in manifesto
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Anna soubury should cross the floor0
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Still available @bet365TheScreamingEagles said:
*Buffs nails*MikeSmithson said:Inevitably Khan is being talked of as a possible future LAB leader.
I did tip him at 33/1 as next Labour leader, I feel content.0 -
''Sadiq Khan has been one of the most sure-footed Remainers in tone and response to the vote. I expect that in a heavily Remain-leaning city that has done him no harm at all.''
He's one of those fearless leftist banker bashers now campaigning against....er.....loss of revenues from the City in the wake of Brexit.0 -
Mildly amused that whilst people, rightly, are dubious of the likes of Fox, they suddenly attribute wisdom to Morgan.0
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To summarise my thought's from the end of the last thread: #1 May's problem is she's stopped triangulating over Brexit. The government isn't doing a bad job judged against reality. May inherited a crock of **** from Cameron and is slowly cleaning it up. As a reluctant Remainer she was ideally placed to do this which is why she became PM. But she immeadiate swung to an extreme taking complete ownership of Brexit and sound like Nigel Farage. So she's now going to be judged against the standards of the Leave Campaign not the " lol what the poor woman inherited " standard. This was entirely her fault. Since Leadsom pulled out she's had plenty of time to tack to the centre but instead has completely owned Brexit and used the Brexit energy to reshape Conservatism into something some Conservatives don't like. Whether this will make her a statesperson or an Eden remains to be seen. But the problems are political. The devaluation is useful economically and traditional parliamentary scrutiny of Brexit negotiations isn't possible. These are political problems because Leave sold it's self in eutopian terms. Now reality based, factual and parliamentary politics have reasserted themselves it's inevitable the government will be judged by Leave's promises unless it renounces them. For some strange reason May hasn't triangulated. She's taken complete ownership of Brexit.0
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRnSnfiUI54TheScreamingEagles said:
*Buffs nails*MikeSmithson said:Inevitably Khan is being talked of as a possible future LAB leader.
I did tip him at 33/1 as next Labour leader, I feel content.0 -
Links to him bashing the bankers pleasetaffys said:''Sadiq Khan has been one of the most sure-footed Remainers in tone and response to the vote. I expect that in a heavily Remain-leaning city that has done him no harm at all.''
He's one of those fearless leftist banker bashers now campaigning against....er.....loss of revenues from the City in the wake of Brexit.0 -
Leaving the EU and remaining in the Single Market are both possible. That why the Conservative manifesto offered a referendum on leaving but made a Single Market pledge.Sunil_Prasannan said:
But the people voted to LEAVE...Scott_P said:@faisalislam: Nicky Morgan: "All Conservative members of parliament elected in 2015 signed up to 'we say Yes to the Single Market'" in manifesto
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We voted to Leave.Sunil_Prasannan said:
But the people voted to LEAVE...Scott_P said:@faisalislam: Nicky Morgan: "All Conservative members of parliament elected in 2015 signed up to 'we say Yes to the Single Market'" in manifesto
But we voted on nothing else. I have no sympathy with the idea that we voted to leave the single market, or reduce immigration, or give £350m a week to the NHS. They were not on the ballot.
Nothing - apart from a formal withdrawal from the EU - necessarily follows from a LEAVE.
It is now the governments job to deliver that in line with the best possible outcome for our country's prosperity and freedoms.
And for the Opposition, or parliament, to hold the government to account.
That is all.0 -
"We are clear about what we want from Europe. We say: yes to the Single Market. Yes to turbocharging free trade. Yes to working together where we are stronger together than alone. Yes to a family of nation states, all part of a European Union – but whose interests, crucially, are guaranteed whether inside the Euro or out. No to ‘ever closer union.’ No to a constant flow of power to Brussels. No to unnecessary interference."Sunil_Prasannan said:
But the people voted to LEAVE...Scott_P said:@faisalislam: Nicky Morgan: "All Conservative members of parliament elected in 2015 signed up to 'we say Yes to the Single Market'" in manifesto
http://openeurope.org.uk/today/blog/conservative-manifesto-reaffirms-inout-eu-referendum-but-is-light-on-the-specifics-of-renegotiation/
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I think a) your 'Brexit-is-dreadful' glassed spectacles and b) your politics make you entirely the wrong audience for Mrs May. It is no wonder that you see failure where others, myself included, see success.YellowSubmarine said:To summarise my thought's from the end of the last thread: #1 May's problem is she's stopped triangulating over Brexit. The government isn't doing a bad job judged against reality. May inherited a crock of **** from Cameron and is slowly cleaning it up. As a reluctant Remainer she was ideally placed to do this which is why she became PM. But she immeadiate swung to an extreme taking complete ownership of Brexit and sound like Nigel Farage. So she's now going to be judged against the standards of the Leave Campaign not the " lol what the poor woman inherited " standard. This was entirely her fault. Since Leadsom pulled out she's had plenty of time to tack to the centre but instead has completely owned Brexit and used the Brexit energy to reshape Conservatism into something some Conservatives don't like. Whether this will make her a statesperson or an Eden remains to be seen. But the problems are political. The devaluation is useful economically and traditional parliamentary scrutiny of Brexit negotiations isn't possible. These are political problems because Leave sold it's self in eutopian terms. Now reality based, factual and parliamentary politics have reasserted themselves it's inevitable the government will be judged by Leave's promises unless it renounces them. For some strange reason May hasn't triangulated. She's taken complete ownership of Brexit.
Luckily, a good 60% of the regularly-voting electorate are up for grabs with the current One Nation Tory administration.0 -
Sadiq Khan is undoubtedly one of the most talented senior Labour politicans left standing. I always thought he was a good candidate for the mayoralty, and so far he seems to have been a good mayor. As Alastair Meeks points out, he's also got the tone right when talking about Brexit and defending London's interests; it's ironic that a Labour politician is coming across as more pro-business than some senior Conservatives.
Overall, therefore, I'm not at all surprised that his ratings are good. We'll have to see what he does on transport and housing, but so far, so good.
As for the future, he'd certainly be a good choice for leader if Labour ever want to go back to being a serious political party again. That's a big 'if' at the moment, of course.0 -
Indeed Mr Dancer.Morris_Dancer said:Mildly amused that whilst people, rightly, are dubious of the likes of Fox, they suddenly attribute wisdom to Morgan.
If anyone makes Fox look like a titan.....0 -
Morgan is being foolish, she was over promoted and it shows. She isn't doing herself any favours with her approach. It's sad.Morris_Dancer said:Mildly amused that whilst people, rightly, are dubious of the likes of Fox, they suddenly attribute wisdom to Morgan.
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Indeed - taken in context it is a stupid thing to quote.Ishmael_X said:
"We are clear about what we want from Europe. We say: yes to the Single Market. Yes to turbocharging free trade. Yes to working together where we are stronger together than alone. Yes to a family of nation states, all part of a European Union – but whose interests, crucially, are guaranteed whether inside the Euro or out. No to ‘ever closer union.’ No to a constant flow of power to Brussels. No to unnecessary interference."Sunil_Prasannan said:
But the people voted to LEAVE...Scott_P said:@faisalislam: Nicky Morgan: "All Conservative members of parliament elected in 2015 signed up to 'we say Yes to the Single Market'" in manifesto
http://openeurope.org.uk/today/blog/conservative-manifesto-reaffirms-inout-eu-referendum-but-is-light-on-the-specifics-of-renegotiation/
for commentary.
It is straight out of the Remainiac's charter - we won't accept the vote, so will look for documents that undermine it - even if these preceded the vote.0 -
'The latest YouGov London polls finds 58% saying Khan is doing his job well compared with 14% saying “badly”. Extraordinarily more than half (51%) of CON GE2015 voters say Sadiq is doing well and 21% badly'
What's he actually done other than oppose Brexit and renege on his promise to freeze Tube fares ?.0 -
So it appears "Remain" has fallen back to defend the line of "the single market", which is a reasonable enough position per se. Of course a manifesto that said "yes, to the single market", is pretty motherhood and apple pie really. It's all in the prepositions "in", member "of", or access "to", which could describe any position from Germany to Norway to the Turks and Caicos Islands. They all say "yes" I'm sure.Scott_P said:@faisalislam: Nicky Morgan: "All Conservative members of parliament elected in 2015 signed up to 'we say Yes to the Single Market'" in manifesto
As far as I can see the main area of wiggle room between sovereignty over the borders and the present position is the payments to the EU budget. If they were increased, maybe substantially, in exchange for substantial real control, they could claim the UK's deal was "worse than before", ( true), and we could say "we've got control of immigration", ( also true ). Of course the downside is it's 21st Century Danegeld for us, and for them their "4 principles of the single market", could be circumvented for what amounts to a bung in a brown envelope, but hey ho we could both look the other way and both say with some veracity we got what we wanted whilst not bringing the whole house down on free trade ( which harms us both ). Customs union yes/no etc could be discussed if there was a free trade deal replicating current arrangements between UK/EU anyway. Sort of EEA extra loose with extra cash.
Thoughts???0 -
In their grief they have lost all sense.Morris_Dancer said:Mildly amused that whilst people, rightly, are dubious of the likes of Fox, they suddenly attribute wisdom to Morgan.
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Britain's Left is so devastated providing covering fire for the Single Market wing of the Conservatives is all that's left for those outside the Corbyn Cult. We must #1 save as much of the eurosphere as we can. #2 Drag the Brexit brand through as much **** as possible. If we don't discredit the Leave event as a cultural/political phenomenon it'll happen again.Scott_P said:Labour backbenchers heaping praise on Nicky Morgan...
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The EU is the successor to the Common Market, wot we voted to join in 1975.Gardenwalker said:
We voted to Leave.Sunil_Prasannan said:
But the people voted to LEAVE...Scott_P said:@faisalislam: Nicky Morgan: "All Conservative members of parliament elected in 2015 signed up to 'we say Yes to the Single Market'" in manifesto
But we voted on nothing else. I have no sympathy with the idea that we voted to leave the single market, or reduce immigration, or give £350m a week to the NHS. They were not on the ballot.
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Um, the Night Tube, and um.....john_zims said:'The latest YouGov London polls finds 58% saying Khan is doing his job well compared with 14% saying “badly”. Extraordinarily more than half (51%) of CON GE2015 voters say Sadiq is doing well and 21% badly'
What's he actually done other than oppose Brexit and renege on his promise to freeze Tube fares ?.
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Mr. Jim, quite.0
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Hopefully he can start the gun on cross rail 2. HR3 seems to be in the bag, the real coup for him would be to get a commitment on HR4 and a second runway for Gatwick, possibly closing Luton.0
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A response worthy of TSE...
Harry Cole @MrHarryCole
Emma Reynolds tells the Commons "I want a soft Brexit". Then adds she wants no tariffs but controls on free movements.
Christopher Snowdon @cjsnowdon
@MrHarryCole A lot of people object to hard Brexit but nobody really wants soft Brexit. It's like porn.0 -
The night tube was Boris tbh, Sadiq just happened to be the guy in charge when the unions finally gave up.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Um, the Night Tube, and um.....john_zims said:'The latest YouGov London polls finds 58% saying Khan is doing his job well compared with 14% saying “badly”. Extraordinarily more than half (51%) of CON GE2015 voters say Sadiq is doing well and 21% badly'
What's he actually done other than oppose Brexit and renege on his promise to freeze Tube fares ?.0 -
Sunil_Prasannan said:
The EU is the successor to the Common Market, wot we voted to join in 1975.Gardenwalker said:
We voted to Leave.Sunil_Prasannan said:
But the people voted to LEAVE...Scott_P said:@faisalislam: Nicky Morgan: "All Conservative members of parliament elected in 2015 signed up to 'we say Yes to the Single Market'" in manifesto
But we voted on nothing else. I have no sympathy with the idea that we voted to leave the single market, or reduce immigration, or give £350m a week to the NHS. They were not on the ballot.
No it is not. Don't be daft.Sunil_Prasannan said:
The EU is the successor to the Common Market, wot we voted to join in 1975.Gardenwalker said:
We voted to Leave.Sunil_Prasannan said:
But the people voted to LEAVE...Scott_P said:@faisalislam: Nicky Morgan: "All Conservative members of parliament elected in 2015 signed up to 'we say Yes to the Single Market'" in manifesto
But we voted on nothing else. I have no sympathy with the idea that we voted to leave the single market, or reduce immigration, or give £350m a week to the NHS. They were not on the ballot.
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Jacob Rees-Mogg is beginning to sound like Oliver Postgate
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On topic.
Khan will never win the Labour selectorate.
It's very Pro-Corbyn, and Khan has nailed his colours on the anti-Corbyn faction.
On Previous topic.
Leading Republicans rejoin Trump:
https://twitter.com/Taniel/status/786216079479537664
As I said yesterday, a lot of 360 degree turns will occur since Friday.0 -
PROPER Brexit for PROPER PeopleTissue_Price said:A response worthy of TSE...
Harry Cole @MrHarryCole
Emma Reynolds tells the Commons "I want a soft Brexit". Then adds she wants no tariffs but controls on free movements.
Christopher Snowdon @cjsnowdon
@MrHarryCole A lot of people object to hard Brexit but nobody really wants soft Brexit. It's like porn.
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What did Boris do as mayor, aside from Boris bikes (really a Ken scheme) and the Olympics (won by Labour)? At least Ken made London safe for property developers.john_zims said:'The latest YouGov London polls finds 58% saying Khan is doing his job well compared with 14% saying “badly”. Extraordinarily more than half (51%) of CON GE2015 voters say Sadiq is doing well and 21% badly'
What's he actually done other than oppose Brexit and renege on his promise to freeze Tube fares ?.0 -
He's done nothing, but he looks good on camera - and he exemplifies a "London Open for Business". Early days, but so far so good.john_zims said:'The latest YouGov London polls finds 58% saying Khan is doing his job well compared with 14% saying “badly”. Extraordinarily more than half (51%) of CON GE2015 voters say Sadiq is doing well and 21% badly'
What's he actually done other than oppose Brexit and renege on his promise to freeze Tube fares ?.0 -
donald trumps habit of walking in on naked, underage girls apparently
https://twitter.com/LOLGOP/status/7861993105222123520 -
Hah, that magnum opus on Brexit I told you about talks about stuff like that.Tissue_Price said:A response worthy of TSE...
Harry Cole @MrHarryCole
Emma Reynolds tells the Commons "I want a soft Brexit". Then adds she wants no tariffs but controls on free movements.
Christopher Snowdon @cjsnowdon
@MrHarryCole A lot of people object to hard Brexit but nobody really wants soft Brexit. It's like porn.
Flaccid Brexit is the term I use, and I also talk about the economic equivalent of losing your erection, you're left with the options of an embarrassing withdrawal or do you keep on going on until you achieve the rise0 -
I don't think May is failing. Given the situation she inherited I think she's done really well. Of the current PCP she was the right choice in my view for PM. I'm just arguing that for some strange reason she's changed the standard by which she will be judged. She's gone from triangulation ( uber reluctant submarine Remainer ) to an extreme. She's fashioned a Brexit so hard many Leavers are uncomfortable with. She's voluntarily given up the " I inherited a mess and am cleaning it up " card.Mortimer said:
I think a) your 'Brexit-is-dreadful' glassed spectacles and b) your politics make you entirely the wrong audience for Mrs May. It is no wonder that you see failure where others, myself included, see success.YellowSubmarine said:To summarise my thought's from the end of the last thread: #1 May's problem is she's stopped triangulating over Brexit. The government isn't doing a bad job judged against reality. May inherited a crock of **** from Cameron and is slowly cleaning it up. As a reluctant Remainer she was ideally placed to do this which is why she became PM. But she immeadiate swung to an extreme taking complete ownership of Brexit and sound like Nigel Farage. So she's now going to be judged against the standards of the Leave Campaign not the " lol what the poor woman inherited " standard. This was entirely her fault. Since Leadsom pulled out she's had plenty of time to tack to the centre but instead has completely owned Brexit and used the Brexit energy to reshape Conservatism into something some Conservatives don't like. Whether this will make her a statesperson or an Eden remains to be seen. But the problems are political. The devaluation is useful economically and traditional parliamentary scrutiny of Brexit negotiations isn't possible. These are political problems because Leave sold it's self in eutopian terms. Now reality based, factual and parliamentary politics have reasserted themselves it's inevitable the government will be judged by Leave's promises unless it renounces them. For some strange reason May hasn't triangulated. She's taken complete ownership of Brexit.
Luckily, a good 60% of the regularly-voting electorate are up for grabs with the current One Nation Tory administration.0 -
Got rid of bendy buses?DecrepitJohnL said:
What did Boris do as mayor, aside from Boris bikes (really a Ken scheme) and the Olympics (won by Labour)? At least Ken made London safe for property developers.john_zims said:'The latest YouGov London polls finds 58% saying Khan is doing his job well compared with 14% saying “badly”. Extraordinarily more than half (51%) of CON GE2015 voters say Sadiq is doing well and 21% badly'
What's he actually done other than oppose Brexit and renege on his promise to freeze Tube fares ?.
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Oh the Hokey Cokey, in out in out shake it all about.Speedy said:On topic.
Khan will never win the Labour selectorate.
It's very Pro-Corbyn, and Khan has nailed his colours on the anti-Corbyn faction.
On Previous topic.
Leading Republicans rejoin Trump:
https://twitter.com/Taniel/status/786216079479537664
As I said yesterday, a lot of 360 degree turns will occur since Friday.0 -
Gave oodles of public money to the ridiculous Garden Bridge?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Got rid of bendy buses?DecrepitJohnL said:
What did Boris do as mayor, aside from Boris bikes (really a Ken scheme) and the Olympics (won by Labour)? At least Ken made London safe for property developers.john_zims said:'The latest YouGov London polls finds 58% saying Khan is doing his job well compared with 14% saying “badly”. Extraordinarily more than half (51%) of CON GE2015 voters say Sadiq is doing well and 21% badly'
What's he actually done other than oppose Brexit and renege on his promise to freeze Tube fares ?.
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Steady on! The lagershed's not until later!TheScreamingEagles said:
Hah, that magnum opus on Brexit I told you about talks about stuff like that.Tissue_Price said:A response worthy of TSE...
Harry Cole @MrHarryCole
Emma Reynolds tells the Commons "I want a soft Brexit". Then adds she wants no tariffs but controls on free movements.
Christopher Snowdon @cjsnowdon
@MrHarryCole A lot of people object to hard Brexit but nobody really wants soft Brexit. It's like porn.
Flaccid Brexit is the term I use, and I also talk about the economic equivalent of losing your erection, you're left with the options of an embarrassing withdrawal or do you keep on going on until you achieve the rise
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This is for Sunday morning threadSunil_Prasannan said:
Steady on! The lagershed's not until later!TheScreamingEagles said:
Hah, that magnum opus on Brexit I told you about talks about stuff like that.Tissue_Price said:A response worthy of TSE...
Harry Cole @MrHarryCole
Emma Reynolds tells the Commons "I want a soft Brexit". Then adds she wants no tariffs but controls on free movements.
Christopher Snowdon @cjsnowdon
@MrHarryCole A lot of people object to hard Brexit but nobody really wants soft Brexit. It's like porn.
Flaccid Brexit is the term I use, and I also talk about the economic equivalent of losing your erection, you're left with the options of an embarrassing withdrawal or do you keep on going on until you achieve the rise0 -
I meant your message just now! PBModerator would be appalled!TheScreamingEagles said:
This is for Sunday morning threadSunil_Prasannan said:
Steady on! The lagershed's not until later!TheScreamingEagles said:
Hah, that magnum opus on Brexit I told you about talks about stuff like that.Tissue_Price said:A response worthy of TSE...
Harry Cole @MrHarryCole
Emma Reynolds tells the Commons "I want a soft Brexit". Then adds she wants no tariffs but controls on free movements.
Christopher Snowdon @cjsnowdon
@MrHarryCole A lot of people object to hard Brexit but nobody really wants soft Brexit. It's like porn.
Flaccid Brexit is the term I use, and I also talk about the economic equivalent of losing your erection, you're left with the options of an embarrassing withdrawal or do you keep on going on until you achieve the rise
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One success of Boris Johnson was decent guidelines on housing development. As a result, new housing - when it is built! - is probably the highest architectural quality in London ever.JosiasJessop said:
Gave oodles of public money to the ridiculous Garden Bridge?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Got rid of bendy buses?DecrepitJohnL said:
What did Boris do as mayor, aside from Boris bikes (really a Ken scheme) and the Olympics (won by Labour)? At least Ken made London safe for property developers.john_zims said:'The latest YouGov London polls finds 58% saying Khan is doing his job well compared with 14% saying “badly”. Extraordinarily more than half (51%) of CON GE2015 voters say Sadiq is doing well and 21% badly'
What's he actually done other than oppose Brexit and renege on his promise to freeze Tube fares ?.
Too bad he didn't do the same about high rises. The Walkie-Talkie is a real disaster.0 -
Which hasn't been built yet!JosiasJessop said:
Gave oodles of public money to the ridiculous Garden Bridge?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Got rid of bendy buses?DecrepitJohnL said:
What did Boris do as mayor, aside from Boris bikes (really a Ken scheme) and the Olympics (won by Labour)? At least Ken made London safe for property developers.john_zims said:'The latest YouGov London polls finds 58% saying Khan is doing his job well compared with 14% saying “badly”. Extraordinarily more than half (51%) of CON GE2015 voters say Sadiq is doing well and 21% badly'
What's he actually done other than oppose Brexit and renege on his promise to freeze Tube fares ?.
Oh Boris did add several stations to the Oystercard network, like Hertford East, Gatwick, Swanley, etc.0 -
Sounds a great thread. Sunday morning glory for you.TheScreamingEagles said:
This is for Sunday morning threadSunil_Prasannan said:
Steady on! The lagershed's not until later!TheScreamingEagles said:
Hah, that magnum opus on Brexit I told you about talks about stuff like that.Tissue_Price said:A response worthy of TSE...
Harry Cole @MrHarryCole
Emma Reynolds tells the Commons "I want a soft Brexit". Then adds she wants no tariffs but controls on free movements.
Christopher Snowdon @cjsnowdon
@MrHarryCole A lot of people object to hard Brexit but nobody really wants soft Brexit. It's like porn.
Flaccid Brexit is the term I use, and I also talk about the economic equivalent of losing your erection, you're left with the options of an embarrassing withdrawal or do you keep on going on until you achieve the rise0 -
I think it's too early to tell, for either the positive or the negative. Many projects take years to run (witness Crossrail and the Olympics) and will cover more than one mayor, even with two four-year terms. Some of Boris's schemes will come to fruition under Khan, or even his successor.DecrepitJohnL said:
What did Boris do as mayor, aside from Boris bikes (really a Ken scheme) and the Olympics (won by Labour)? At least Ken made London safe for property developers.john_zims said:'The latest YouGov London polls finds 58% saying Khan is doing his job well compared with 14% saying “badly”. Extraordinarily more than half (51%) of CON GE2015 voters say Sadiq is doing well and 21% badly'
What's he actually done other than oppose Brexit and renege on his promise to freeze Tube fares ?.
Also, sometimes politicians who do not 'do' much, but run a steady (if boring) ship are much better than ones who try to do much and run from one hare-brained scheme to another.0 -
But he gave the money.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Which hasn't been built yet!JosiasJessop said:
Gave oodles of public money to the ridiculous Garden Bridge?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Got rid of bendy buses?DecrepitJohnL said:
What did Boris do as mayor, aside from Boris bikes (really a Ken scheme) and the Olympics (won by Labour)? At least Ken made London safe for property developers.john_zims said:'The latest YouGov London polls finds 58% saying Khan is doing his job well compared with 14% saying “badly”. Extraordinarily more than half (51%) of CON GE2015 voters say Sadiq is doing well and 21% badly'
What's he actually done other than oppose Brexit and renege on his promise to freeze Tube fares ?.
Oh Boris did add several stations to the Oystercard network, like Hertford East, Gatwick, Swanley, etc. 0 -
Anna Soubry has been hitting the ball out of the park I see.
Roun-der roun-der roun-der!0 -
He also added Grays in 2010 and Broxbourne and Shenfield in 2013JosiasJessop said:
But he gave the money.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Which hasn't been built yet!JosiasJessop said:
Gave oodles of public money to the ridiculous Garden Bridge?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Got rid of bendy buses?DecrepitJohnL said:
What did Boris do as mayor, aside from Boris bikes (really a Ken scheme) and the Olympics (won by Labour)? At least Ken made London safe for property developers.john_zims said:'The latest YouGov London polls finds 58% saying Khan is doing his job well compared with 14% saying “badly”. Extraordinarily more than half (51%) of CON GE2015 voters say Sadiq is doing well and 21% badly'
What's he actually done other than oppose Brexit and renege on his promise to freeze Tube fares ?.
Oh Boris did add several stations to the Oystercard network, like Hertford East, Gatwick, Swanley, etc.
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He's delivered the small matter of the Night Tube for starters – a project that eluded bumbling Boris, who completely cocked up the announcement several times.john_zims said:'The latest YouGov London polls finds 58% saying Khan is doing his job well compared with 14% saying “badly”. Extraordinarily more than half (51%) of CON GE2015 voters say Sadiq is doing well and 21% badly'
What's he actually done other than oppose Brexit and renege on his promise to freeze Tube fares ?.0 -
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National - Insights West - Sample 953 - 10-11 Oct
Clinton 42 .. Trump 37
http://www.insightswest.com/news/clinton-leads-trump-republicans-reject-changing-their-nominee/0 -
I doubt I am the only one to have mentioned it but Ihave not yet read the comments. Pray precisely what has Khan actually done since being elected? I cannot think of anything significant.0
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Rats rejoining the sinking ship. Novel.Speedy said:On topic.
Khan will never win the Labour selectorate.
It's very Pro-Corbyn, and Khan has nailed his colours on the anti-Corbyn faction.
On Previous topic.
Leading Republicans rejoin Trump:
https://twitter.com/Taniel/status/786216079479537664
As I said yesterday, a lot of 360 degree turns will occur since Friday.
I see Arizona is now blue on 538.0 -
I think 33s is about right. Remember the Lab selectors test first priority is not electabilityTheScreamingEagles said:
*Buffs nails*MikeSmithson said:Inevitably Khan is being talked of as a possible future LAB leader.
I did tip him at 33/1 as next Labour leader, I feel content.0 -
Voter registration extended in Florida until Tuesday - Fox News0
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OGH writes:
"Before Boris the Mayoralty was held by Keb who, certainly for the first few years, achieved good polling numbers"
Keb? Can't remember a Keb 0 -
All three London Mayor's todate have understood the job. There is a strong element of ceremonial presidency with reserve powers to it. You have to embody London and look like it's cheer leader while understanding London is socially liberal but fiscally conservative. The job s designed for Bird's in bright plumage who will occupy the centre ground. So far London has been lucky to find three incumbents who understand the formula and do it well.0
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Give the guy a chance? He's had less than 5 months, including the summer.SquareRoot said:I doubt I am the only one to have mentioned it but Ihave not yet read the comments. Pray precisely what has Khan actually done since being elected? I cannot think of anything significant.
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Sunil_Prasannan said:
Um, the Night Tube, and um.....john_zims said:'The latest YouGov London polls finds 58% saying Khan is doing his job well compared with 14% saying “badly”. Extraordinarily more than half (51%) of CON GE2015 voters say Sadiq is doing well and 21% badly'
What's he actually done other than oppose Brexit and renege on his promise to freeze Tube fares ?.One Hour Bus PassHopper ticket0 -
I'm sorry, but I entirely disagree. Your approach would last for a news cycle, maybe even a week, before being seen as betrayal by, respectively, a) Tory party activists, who are overwhelmingly leavers, b) Tory party members, who are overwhelmingly in support of Leave, c) Tory party voters, who as a majority support Leave and as a vast majority accept the result of the 23rd June and d) voters in general, who voted for Leave and mostly accept the result as Brexit.YellowSubmarine said:
I don't think May is failing. Given the situation she inherited I think she's done really well. Of the current PCP she was the right choice in my view for PM. I'm just arguing that for some strange reason she's changed the standard by which she will be judged. She's gone from triangulation ( uber reluctant submarine Remainer ) to an extreme. She's fashioned a Brexit so hard many Leavers are uncomfortable with. She's voluntarily given up the " I inherited a mess and am cleaning it up " card.Mortimer said:
I think a) your 'Brexit-is-dreadful' glassed spectacles and b) your politics make you entirely the wrong audience for Mrs May. It is no wonder that you see failure where others, myself included, see success.YellowSubmarine said:...
Luckily, a good 60% of the regularly-voting electorate are up for grabs with the current One Nation Tory administration.
Owning the result and championing it is the only way to:
i) navigate the choppy parliamentary waters - allowing the Govt to brand those troublesome MPs and parties who are questioning the process or the actors as wanting to Leave in name only.
ii) convince our negotiating adversaries that we're willing to walk away
iii) which in turn might be the only way to secure a decent deal, if a deal is possible
iv) which is in turn the best way to go please the majority of the electorate
You're letting your distaste for the result cloud your judgement. You forget that not only are most people now not that bothered that we're leaving, but the majority of voters voted for it and thus want to see it done.0 -
I reckon the mother of all shellackings in 2020 might focus minds.Pulpstar said:
I think 33s is about right. Remember the Lab selectors test first priority is not electabilityTheScreamingEagles said:
*Buffs nails*MikeSmithson said:Inevitably Khan is being talked of as a possible future LAB leader.
I did tip him at 33/1 as next Labour leader, I feel content.0 -
LOL. This feed into what I said below: the idea that Khan has magically enabled the night tube is hilarious. Especially as strike action caused it to be delayed from last year!Jobabob said:
He's delivered the small matter of the Night Tube for starters – a project that eluded bumbling Boris, who completely cocked up the announcement several times.john_zims said:'The latest YouGov London polls finds 58% saying Khan is doing his job well compared with 14% saying “badly”. Extraordinarily more than half (51%) of CON GE2015 voters say Sadiq is doing well and 21% badly'
What's he actually done other than oppose Brexit and renege on his promise to freeze Tube fares ?.0 -
It is just so transparent. Trump winning and Democrats getting in down ticket would be hilariouswelshowl said:
Oh the Hokey Cokey, in out in out shake it all about.Speedy said:On topic.
Khan will never win the Labour selectorate.
It's very Pro-Corbyn, and Khan has nailed his colours on the anti-Corbyn faction.
On Previous topic.
Leading Republicans rejoin Trump:
https://twitter.com/Taniel/status/786216079479537664
As I said yesterday, a lot of 360 degree turns will occur since Friday.0 -
Boris delivered the Night Tube happening. The Unions secured their price; it would happen under his Labour successor.0
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Arizona goes Democrat!
According to 538, Arizona and its 11 electoral college votes are now for Hillary (Polls only and Nowcast)
She is now on 341 EC votes to 197.0 -
She has *only* a 5-6 point lead.JackW said:National - Insights West - Sample 953 - 10-11 Oct
Clinton 42 .. Trump 37
http://www.insightswest.com/news/clinton-leads-trump-republicans-reject-changing-their-nominee/
That's comfortable, but no landslide.0 -
"I wasn't the best because I won elections quickly. I was the best because the Selectorate loved me. Win the Selectorate, and you will win your freedom!"Pulpstar said:
I think 33s is about right. Remember the Lab selectors test first priority is not electabilityTheScreamingEagles said:
*Buffs nails*MikeSmithson said:Inevitably Khan is being talked of as a possible future LAB leader.
I did tip him at 33/1 as next Labour leader, I feel content.0 -
Brilliant It's been nagging away at me, wondering where that voice came from!Blue_rog said:Jacob Rees-Mogg is beginning to sound like Oliver Postgate
He could do a revoiced Noggin the Nog for the times of Brexit.....0 -
But he won't be in the HoC after that election. He'll have just been re-elected as Mayor.TheScreamingEagles said:
I reckon the mother of all shellackings in 2020 might focus minds.Pulpstar said:
I think 33s is about right. Remember the Lab selectors test first priority is not electabilityTheScreamingEagles said:
*Buffs nails*MikeSmithson said:Inevitably Khan is being talked of as a possible future LAB leader.
I did tip him at 33/1 as next Labour leader, I feel content.0 -
@MrHarryCole: PA: Pound "hit its lowest point during a speech by Brexit Secretary David Davis. Shortly after Mr Davis sat down, the pound began to rise."0
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In turn I disagree. The polling evidence suggests an absence of buyers remorse but that Brexit should involve having the cake, eating the cake and the cake costing no more than 50p. A very low price for any cake let alone a magic cake. Leave could promise a magic cake. Leave ceased to exist the morning after. There is no way to be hold Leave to account. Governments are different. Maybe May will deliver the cheap magic cake. In which case she'll be a statesperson and I'll be wrong. If the cake turns out to be expensive and can not be eaten or had then May will now be judged by magic cake standards.Mortimer said:
I'm sorry, but I entirely disagree. Your approach would last for a news cycle, maybe even a week, before being seen as betrayal by, respectively, a) Tory party activists, who are overwhelmingly leavers, b) Tory party members, who are overwhelmingly in support of Leave, c) Tory party voters, who as a majority support Leave and as a vast majority accept the result of the 23rd June and d) voters in general, who voted for Leave and mostly accept the result as Brexit.YellowSubmarine said:
I don't think May is failing. Given the situation she inherited I think she's done really well. Of the current PCP she was the right choice in my view for PM. I'm just arguing that for some strange reason she's changed the standard by which she will be judged. She's gone from triangulation ( uber reluctant submarine Remainer ) to an extreme. She's fashioned a Brexit so hard many Leavers are uncomfortable with. She's voluntarily given up the " I inherited a mess and am cleaning it up " card.Mortimer said:
I think a) your 'Brexit-is-dreadful' glassed spectacles and b) your politics make you entirely the wrong audience for Mrs May. It is no wonder that you see failure where others, myself included, see success.YellowSubmarine said:...
Luckily, a good 60% of the regularly-voting electorate are up for grabs with the current One Nation Tory administration.
Owning the result and championing it is the only way to:
i) navigate the choppy parliamentary waters - allowing the Govt to brand those troublesome MPs and parties who are questioning the process or the actors as wanting to Leave in name only.
ii) convince our negotiating adversaries that we're willing to walk away
iii) which in turn might be the only way to secure a decent deal, if a deal is possible
iv) which is in turn the best way to go please the majority of the electorate
You're letting your distaste for the result cloud your judgement. You forget that not only are most people now not that bothered that we're leaving, but the majority of voters voted for it and thus want to see it done.0 -
He might choose to be a one term Mayor.Tissue_Price said:
But he won't be in the HoC after that election. He'll have just been re-elected as Mayor.TheScreamingEagles said:
I reckon the mother of all shellackings in 2020 might focus minds.Pulpstar said:
I think 33s is about right. Remember the Lab selectors test first priority is not electabilityTheScreamingEagles said:
*Buffs nails*MikeSmithson said:Inevitably Khan is being talked of as a possible future LAB leader.
I did tip him at 33/1 as next Labour leader, I feel content.
I reckon electing a non white Muslim as Labour leader would appeal to those on the Corbynite left.0 -
Boris Johnson can't complain about not getting the credit for the night tube. He was entirely happy to have the bikes (inherited from Ken Livingstone) named after him.0
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On Khan: he has banned images of healthy women in bikinis from ads on the Tube.
Not a fan of that. During the burkini ban fracas he was all in favour of women wearing what they want.0 -
As long as she's had a decent go at making the magic cake, and it doesn't have a soggy bottom, she'll be fine. Maybe not Star Baker, but through to next week.....YellowSubmarine said:
In turn I disagree. The polling evidence suggests an absence of buyers remorse but that Brexit should involve having the cake, eating the cake and the cake costing no more than 50p. A very low price for any cake let alone a magic cake. Leave could promise a magic cake. Leave ceased to exist the morning after. There is no way to be hold Leave to account. Governments are different. Maybe May will deliver the cheap magic cake. In which case she'll be a statesperson and I'll be wrong. If the cake turns out to be expensive and can not be eaten or had then May will now be judged by magic cake standards.0 -
I'm fairly sure he'll have had eye on 2025 not 2020.TheScreamingEagles said:
He might choose to be a one term Mayor.Tissue_Price said:
But he won't be in the HoC after that election. He'll have just been re-elected as Mayor.TheScreamingEagles said:
I reckon the mother of all shellackings in 2020 might focus minds.Pulpstar said:
I think 33s is about right. Remember the Lab selectors test first priority is not electabilityTheScreamingEagles said:
*Buffs nails*MikeSmithson said:Inevitably Khan is being talked of as a possible future LAB leader.
I did tip him at 33/1 as next Labour leader, I feel content.
I reckon electing a non white Muslim as Labour leader would appeal to those on the Corbynite left.0 -
TSE as Labour leader? Possible, I guessTheScreamingEagles said:
He might choose to be a one term Mayor.Tissue_Price said:
But he won't be in the HoC after that election. He'll have just been re-elected as Mayor.TheScreamingEagles said:
I reckon the mother of all shellackings in 2020 might focus minds.Pulpstar said:
I think 33s is about right. Remember the Lab selectors test first priority is not electabilityTheScreamingEagles said:
*Buffs nails*MikeSmithson said:Inevitably Khan is being talked of as a possible future LAB leader.
I did tip him at 33/1 as next Labour leader, I feel content.
I reckon electing a non white Muslim as Labour leader would appeal to those on the Corbynite left.
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National polls are a fine appetizer to the main course. Credible state polls are the main course and pud ..Pong said:
She has *only* a 5-6 point lead.JackW said:National - Insights West - Sample 953 - 10-11 Oct
Clinton 42 .. Trump 37
http://www.insightswest.com/news/clinton-leads-trump-republicans-reject-changing-their-nominee/
That's comfortable, but no landslide. 0 -
Agreed.MarqueeMark said:
As long as she's had a decent go at making the magic cake, and it doesn't have a soggy bottom, she'll be fine. Maybe not Star Baker, but through to next week.....YellowSubmarine said:
In turn I disagree. The polling evidence suggests an absence of buyers remorse but that Brexit should involve having the cake, eating the cake and the cake costing no more than 50p. A very low price for any cake let alone a magic cake. Leave could promise a magic cake. Leave ceased to exist the morning after. There is no way to be hold Leave to account. Governments are different. Maybe May will deliver the cheap magic cake. In which case she'll be a statesperson and I'll be wrong. If the cake turns out to be expensive and can not be eaten or had then May will now be judged by magic cake standards.0 -
I think Theresa May is out of her depth on Brexit, What it needs is someone who can smartly navigate the shark infested waters. Someone with a sharp, agile mind; charm melded with a ruthless focus on the end goal. Instead we have an unimaginative, charmless, process-driven administrator.0
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He has plenty of adverts on the tube with the "Sadiq Khan has introduced a new fare blah blah..." - your public money going to shill for Labour.Morris_Dancer said:On Khan: he has banned images of healthy women in bikinis from ads on the Tube.
Not a fan of that. During the burkini ban fracas he was all in favour of women wearing what they want.
See here
https://tfl.gov.uk/campaign/hopper-fare
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By 2025 there might not be a Labour Party worth saving.YellowSubmarine said:
I'm fairly sure he'll have had eye on 2025 not 2020.TheScreamingEagles said:
He might choose to be a one term Mayor.Tissue_Price said:
But he won't be in the HoC after that election. He'll have just been re-elected as Mayor.TheScreamingEagles said:
I reckon the mother of all shellackings in 2020 might focus minds.Pulpstar said:
I think 33s is about right. Remember the Lab selectors test first priority is not electabilityTheScreamingEagles said:
*Buffs nails*MikeSmithson said:Inevitably Khan is being talked of as a possible future LAB leader.
I did tip him at 33/1 as next Labour leader, I feel content.
I reckon electing a non white Muslim as Labour leader would appeal to those on the Corbynite left.0 -
Yes, picking up the pieces in 2020* looks 1997-Hague-like in its appeal; would-be PMs are best advised to wait.YellowSubmarine said:
I'm fairly sure he'll have had eye on 2025 not 2020.TheScreamingEagles said:
He might choose to be a one term Mayor.Tissue_Price said:
But he won't be in the HoC after that election. He'll have just been re-elected as Mayor.TheScreamingEagles said:
I reckon the mother of all shellackings in 2020 might focus minds.Pulpstar said:
I think 33s is about right. Remember the Lab selectors test first priority is not electabilityTheScreamingEagles said:
*Buffs nails*MikeSmithson said:Inevitably Khan is being talked of as a possible future LAB leader.
I did tip him at 33/1 as next Labour leader, I feel content.
I reckon electing a non white Muslim as Labour leader would appeal to those on the Corbynite left.
* assuming the Labour Party is still in one piece. Big assumption.0
