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No, not at all. When was the last 5ime a government called a referendum without a plan for a "change" vote?Scott_P said:
Non sequitur much?ThreeQuidder said:Yes there was. They called the referendum.
Asking people to vote places no obligation on the party campaigning for one side to plan what those on the other side will implement.
Not even Trump is stupid enough to claim that...0 -
It could have, but Cameron prevented it.Sean_F said:
Usually, a referendum is called by a government, which sets out a detailed proposal for the people to endorse - or reject.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, but normally the opposition has a set of planned policies which they put into a manifesto. In the referendum the Leave side had - deliberately, one assumes - failed to specify what alternative to the EU they were aiming for. That debate has now started, but it beggars belief that anyone can have the temerity to blame the previous government for not making detailed plans for a political scenario which the Leave side adamantly refused to lay out.RobD said:Except the Civil Service do meet with opposition leaders/shadow cabinet ministers before the election for discussions.
That could not apply in this case.0 -
JuneThreeQuidder said:No, not at all. When was the last 5ime a government called a referendum without a plan for a "change" vote?
But before that, are you claiming the Government had detailed plans to implement AV?
Give it a rest...0 -
If that were true (it's not) the Brexiteers would be able to tell us what that plan would have looked like.ThreeQuidder said:It could have
They can't.
It's not true.
Another Brexit fantasy.0 -
Luckily that is quite easy, and probably doesn't need to plan for it.Scott_P said:
JuneThreeQuidder said:No, not at all. When was the last 5ime a government called a referendum without a plan for a "change" vote?
But before that, are you claiming the Government had detailed plans to implement AV?
Give it a rest...0 -
Your assumption is invalid. The Leave campaign does not now form the government. It therefore has no agency to do anything.viewcode said:
Remind me again. If we assume that the current government is a LEAVE government (and given that we are executing Order 66 -ThreeQuidder said:He has a very valid point: if the losers hadn't kept fighting the battle they had already lost and had advocated an EEA-type solution, there would have been a majority for it.
- then it's a defensible proposition) then what exactly is stopping the current government from going EEA/EFTA?
Leave won. It has agency. Why is it blaming powerless Remainians for anything?
The top two and three out of the top four people in the current government were Remainers...0 -
I've been thru them. The Brexit phone polls were out but the online polls were pretty close and TNS-BRMB (as was) was pretty much bang on.TheKitchenCabinet said:...before anyone starts claiming with Brexit that the polls were "right all along", that is a revisionist argument by the polling companies to save themselves: they generally were not...
Weirdly, I've met Joel Williams and I forgot to tell him...
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A two question ballot paper would have broken the cycle. That's the point of it. You just take two decisions on one day.Scott_P said:
I understand it perfectly, and there is no 2 option ballot paper that would produce a result that anyone is happier with than we have now.ThreeQuidder said:You do understand what I mean by a two question ballot paper, don't you?
I thought it was pretty clear but you don't seem to be grasping it.
Each of the 3 options is singularly more popular than the other 2.
Read the link.0 -
Somebody should tell the Brexiteers that!ThreeQuidder said:The Leave campaign does not now form the government.
They are all over the airwaves claiming a mandate for Leave campaign proposals0 -
Yes, absolutely. Are you claiming that they didn't?Scott_P said:
JuneThreeQuidder said:No, not at all. When was the last 5ime a government called a referendum without a plan for a "change" vote?
But before that, are you claiming the Government had detailed plans to implement AV?
Give it a rest...0 -
No, because the outcome is determined entirely by the order of the questions (it being cyclical)ThreeQuidder said:A two question ballot paper would have broken the cycle. That's the point of it. You just take two decisions on one day.
If three ballot papers were printed with the questions on 3 different orders, they would have produced 3 different results.
No single paper would therefore have satisfied those who wanted the other 2 options0 -
Are David Davis, Liam Fox and (gawdelpus) Boris Johnson not in Government? I assume they are LEAVErs, yes?ThreeQuidder said:
Your assumption is invalid. The Leave campaign does not now form the government. It therefore has no agency to do anything.viewcode said:
Remind me again. If we assume that the current government is a LEAVE government (and given that we are executing Order 66 -ThreeQuidder said:He has a very valid point: if the losers hadn't kept fighting the battle they had already lost and had advocated an EEA-type solution, there would have been a majority for it.
- then it's a defensible proposition) then what exactly is stopping the current government from going EEA/EFTA?
Leave won. It has agency. Why is it blaming powerless Remainians for anything?
The top two and three out of the top four people in the current government were Remainers...0 -
They were deliberately vague about what Leave meant, taking the line that "that would be decided afterwards" but now want to deny parliament a say.Scott_P said:
Somebody should tell the Brexiteers that!ThreeQuidder said:The Leave campaign does not now form the government.
They are all over the airwaves claiming a mandate for Leave campaign proposals
In reality it is not our choice. We cannot impose a deal on the EU, if they don't want to play ball or cannot come to a decision (quite likely in my view) then It is Hard Brexit by default.0 -
Well that's obviously a nonsense. The only mandate is to Leave the political structures of the EU. As long as that is achieved, the democratic process has been respected.Scott_P said:
Somebody should tell the Brexiteers that!ThreeQuidder said:The Leave campaign does not now form the government.
They are all over the airwaves claiming a mandate for Leave campaign proposals
A two question ballot paper would have given a democratic endorsement of a way forward, but Cameron didn't trust us with that. He probably thought it would make it more likely that Leave would win question 1.
And on that note, I'm off to bed.0 -
Loving it - another thread of remain moaning.0
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But the three options aren't equivalent. One was officially the status quo.Scott_P said:
No, because the outcome is determined entirely by the order of the questions (it being cyclical)ThreeQuidder said:A two question ballot paper would have broken the cycle. That's the point of it. You just take two decisions on one day.
If three ballot papers were printed with the questions on 3 different orders, they would have produced 3 different results.
No single paper would therefore have satisfied those who wanted the other 2 options0 -
Only one of those is in the top four of government.viewcode said:
Are David Davis, Liam Fox and (gawdelpus) Boris Johnson not in Government? I assume they are LEAVErs, yes?ThreeQuidder said:
Your assumption is invalid. The Leave campaign does not now form the government. It therefore has no agency to do anything.viewcode said:
Remind me again. If we assume that the current government is a LEAVE government (and given that we are executing Order 66 -ThreeQuidder said:He has a very valid point: if the losers hadn't kept fighting the battle they had already lost and had advocated an EEA-type solution, there would have been a majority for it.
- then it's a defensible proposition) then what exactly is stopping the current government from going EEA/EFTA?
Leave won. It has agency. Why is it blaming powerless Remainians for anything?
The top two and three out of the top four people in the current government were Remainers...0 -
They want to stop parliament tying the negotiators' hands behind their back before they start the negotiations. Of course Parliament should have a say on the deal the government makes.foxinsoxuk said:
They were deliberately vague about what Leave meant, taking the line that "that would be decided afterwards" but now want to deny parliament a say.Scott_P said:
Somebody should tell the Brexiteers that!ThreeQuidder said:The Leave campaign does not now form the government.
They are all over the airwaves claiming a mandate for Leave campaign proposals
In reality it is not our choice. We cannot impose a deal on the EU, if they don't want to play ball or cannot come to a decision (quite likely in my view) then It is Hard Brexit by default.0 -
And now I'm definitely going to bed.0
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Well, it's a matter for Theresa May. She seems to be very enthusiastic for BrexitScott_P said:
Somebody should tell the Brexiteers that!ThreeQuidder said:The Leave campaign does not now form the government.
They are all over the airwaves claiming a mandate for Leave campaign proposals0 -
Actually, let's turn this around for a moment. Let's assume that the current government is staffed full of stealth Remainians and Life Model Decoys of Johnson/Fox/Davis whilst their originals are sequestered in the orbiting spacecraft...ThreeQuidder said:
Your assumption is invalid. The Leave campaign does not now form the government. It therefore has no agency to do anything.viewcode said:
Remind me again. If we assume that the current government is a LEAVE government (and given that we are executing Order 66 -ThreeQuidder said:He has a very valid point: if the losers hadn't kept fighting the battle they had already lost and had advocated an EEA-type solution, there would have been a majority for it.
- then it's a defensible proposition) then what exactly is stopping the current government from going EEA/EFTA?
Leave won. It has agency. Why is it blaming powerless Remainians for anything?
The top two and three out of the top four people in the current government were Remainers...
...then what's stopping them going EEA/EFTA?0 -
Will PB still be arguing about Brexit in 2076?0
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May and Hammond had clearly made more plans for a Leave win than the people actually campaigning for Leave. This is not a good advert for the competence of the Leavers.ThreeQuidder said:The top two and three out of the top four people in the current government were Remainers...
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No, it wasn't.ThreeQuidder said:One was officially the status quo.
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Here's a supposition. I'm putting it here because I suspect I'll need it later.
All the high-level Leaver ideologues: Hannan: Fraser Nelson, Matt Ridley, BoJo have spent most of their working lives writing articles, speaking to audiences, and blaming Remainians/EU for everything. And now at the moment of their greatest triumph, they stride into the halls of power, stand at the banked microphones and...open their laptops, write articles, speak to audiences, and blame Remainians/EU for everything.
Am I correct on thinking that, in the final analysis, that this is all they can actually do? That they've become overspecialised and can't actually do anything else?0 -
I almost forgot to post my weekly update of my average tracking poll.
Hillary 47 +0.5
Trump 42 -1.5
Hillary hit her highest since August 8th, though she is still hitting that 47% ceiling that she is since Sept. 26th.
Trump hit his lowest since August 24th, Trump has been dropping everyday since Oct.1st.
Since the first update.
Hillary 47 46.5 46.5 45.5 44.5 45 46 46.5 47 47 45
Trump 42 43.5 43 44 43.5 42 42 41 40.5 41 43
I guess barring a catastrophe for Hillary she is going to get 47%.
Trump is a like a roller-coaster.
Goodnight.0 -
Hannan's gaffe on Chile is pretty egregious. You'd think the great advocate of free trade would know this stuff. He's been paid a big salary for years precisely to scrutinise it.viewcode said:Am I correct on thinking that, in the final analysis, that this is all they can actually do? That they've become overspecialised and can't actually do anything else?
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Well that's all right then. A government that's exiting the EU, has appointed LEAVErs to actually do the exiting and negotiate trade deals outside the EU, and has appointed the LEAVE campaign's car Garfield as Foreign Secretary, is not actually a LEAVE government. Glad we sorted that out.ThreeQuidder said:
Only one of those is in the top four of government.viewcode said:
Are David Davis, Liam Fox and (gawdelpus) Boris Johnson not in Government? I assume they are LEAVErs, yes?ThreeQuidder said:
Your assumption is invalid. The Leave campaign does not now form the government. It therefore has no agency to do anything.viewcode said:
Remind me again. If we assume that the current government is a LEAVE government (and given that we are executing Order 66 -ThreeQuidder said:He has a very valid point: if the losers hadn't kept fighting the battle they had already lost and had advocated an EEA-type solution, there would have been a majority for it.
- then it's a defensible proposition) then what exactly is stopping the current government from going EEA/EFTA?
Leave won. It has agency. Why is it blaming powerless Remainians for anything?
The top two and three out of the top four people in the current government were Remainers...0 -
He could have made a plan that he thought would be the best realistic Brexit plan, but the Leave campaign would obviously have disowned it and said it was a trick to make Brexit look bad.ThreeQuidder said:
It could have, but Cameron prevented it.Sean_F said:
Usually, a referendum is called by a government, which sets out a detailed proposal for the people to endorse - or reject.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, but normally the opposition has a set of planned policies which they put into a manifesto. In the referendum the Leave side had - deliberately, one assumes - failed to specify what alternative to the EU they were aiming for. That debate has now started, but it beggars belief that anyone can have the temerity to blame the previous government for not making detailed plans for a political scenario which the Leave side adamantly refused to lay out.RobD said:Except the Civil Service do meet with opposition leaders/shadow cabinet ministers before the election for discussions.
That could not apply in this case.0 -
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Passes the time.Tykejohnno said:Loving it - another thread of remain moaning.
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BoJo has only been a leaver for about a year?viewcode said:
All the high-level Leaver ideologues: Hannan: Fraser Nelson, Matt Ridley, BoJo have spent most of their working lives writing articles, speaking to audiences, and blaming Remainians/EU for everything.0 -
To counteract Fox?PlatoSaid said:0 -
These Google polls are a good laugh. LOL. How are they graded a B?
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/updates/0 -
O/T
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3826336/Duchess-York-sues-Mazher-Mahmood-TV-star-jailed-Fake-Sheikh-cocaine-sting-says-happiest-man-alive-undercover-reporter-convicted.html
https://twitter.com/AlastairMorgan/status/785549763160772609
These events are not unrelated. Look into it. It's very interesting-1 -
LEAVE 52%viewcode said:
Passes the time.Tykejohnno said:Loving it - another thread of remain moaning.
REMAIN 48%
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Easiest way to troll TSE is to call him a TINO (Tory In Name Only)IanB2 said:
The trouble with TSE is that he is too sensible to see that his own side don't want him any more...foxinsoxuk said:
Come over to the Dark Side, we have cookies...TheScreamingEagles said:
I really don't.Sean_F said:
I'm sure you did find it amusing. But, I think you're also realising that you have little in common now with people on the right of the political spectrum, and much more in common with Tyson et al.TheScreamingEagles said:
I found it greatly amusing, who knew Leavers were such delicate flowers.Sean_F said:
I don't find it rib-tickingly funny to be described as "nihilistic cunts" but everyone's sense of humour is different.Richard_Nabavi said:Incidentally, I thought the sense-of-humour-failure amongst a string of Leavers on the last thread was very telling indeed.
I'm sure all those PBers offended by Tyson's comments were similarly outraged on the many occasions when SeanT calls remainers 'Traitorous c*nts' 0 -
2015/05/07: £1=$1.52Sunil_Prasannan said:
LEAVE 52%viewcode said:
Passes the time.Tykejohnno said:Loving it - another thread of remain moaning.
REMAIN 48%
2016/10/10: £1=$1.23
:innocent0 -
LEAVE 17,410,742viewcode said:
2015/05/07: £1=$1.52Sunil_Prasannan said:
LEAVE 52%viewcode said:
Passes the time.Tykejohnno said:Loving it - another thread of remain moaning.
REMAIN 48%
2016/10/10: £1=$1.23
:innocent
REMAIN 16,141,241
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do you prefer your brexit hard or soft, Sunil?Sunil_Prasannan said:
LEAVE 17,410,742viewcode said:
2015/05/07: £1=$1.52Sunil_Prasannan said:
LEAVE 52%viewcode said:
Passes the time.Tykejohnno said:Loving it - another thread of remain moaning.
REMAIN 48%
2016/10/10: £1=$1.23
:innocent
REMAIN 16,141,2410 -
PROPER Brexit for PROPER People!dugarbandier said:
do you prefer your brexit hard or soft, Sunil?Sunil_Prasannan said:
LEAVE 17,410,742viewcode said:
2015/05/07: £1=$1.52Sunil_Prasannan said:
LEAVE 52%viewcode said:
Passes the time.Tykejohnno said:Loving it - another thread of remain moaning.
REMAIN 48%
2016/10/10: £1=$1.23
:innocent
REMAIN 16,141,241
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You'd like a wall too?Sunil_Prasannan said:
PROPER Brexit for PROPER People!dugarbandier said:
do you prefer your brexit hard or soft, Sunil?Sunil_Prasannan said:
LEAVE 17,410,742viewcode said:
2015/05/07: £1=$1.52Sunil_Prasannan said:
LEAVE 52%viewcode said:
Passes the time.Tykejohnno said:Loving it - another thread of remain moaning.
REMAIN 48%
2016/10/10: £1=$1.23
:innocent
REMAIN 16,141,241
(I don't mind where you put it. The route of Offa's dyke?)0 -
No, Wales voted for Brexit too!dugarbandier said:
You'd like a wall too?Sunil_Prasannan said:
PROPER Brexit for PROPER People!dugarbandier said:
do you prefer your brexit hard or soft, Sunil?Sunil_Prasannan said:
LEAVE 17,410,742viewcode said:
2015/05/07: £1=$1.52Sunil_Prasannan said:
LEAVE 52%viewcode said:
Passes the time.Tykejohnno said:Loving it - another thread of remain moaning.
REMAIN 48%
2016/10/10: £1=$1.23
:innocent
REMAIN 16,141,241
(I don't mind where you put it. The route of Offa's dyke?)0 -
build it round London thenSunil_Prasannan said:
No, Wales voted for Brexit too!dugarbandier said:
You'd like a wall too?Sunil_Prasannan said:
PROPER Brexit for PROPER People!dugarbandier said:
do you prefer your brexit hard or soft, Sunil?Sunil_Prasannan said:
LEAVE 17,410,742viewcode said:
2015/05/07: £1=$1.52Sunil_Prasannan said:
LEAVE 52%viewcode said:
Passes the time.Tykejohnno said:Loving it - another thread of remain moaning.
REMAIN 48%
2016/10/10: £1=$1.23
:innocent
REMAIN 16,141,241
(I don't mind where you put it. The route of Offa's dyke?) 0 -
5 London Boroughs voted for Brexitdugarbandier said:
build it round London thenSunil_Prasannan said:
No, Wales voted for Brexit too!dugarbandier said:
You'd like a wall too?Sunil_Prasannan said:
PROPER Brexit for PROPER People!dugarbandier said:
do you prefer your brexit hard or soft, Sunil?Sunil_Prasannan said:
LEAVE 17,410,742viewcode said:
2015/05/07: £1=$1.52Sunil_Prasannan said:
LEAVE 52%viewcode said:
Passes the time.Tykejohnno said:Loving it - another thread of remain moaning.
REMAIN 48%
2016/10/10: £1=$1.23
:innocent
REMAIN 16,141,241
(I don't mind where you put it. The route of Offa's dyke?)
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they can have a tunnelSunil_Prasannan said:
5 London Boroughs voted for Brexitdugarbandier said:
build it round London thenSunil_Prasannan said:
No, Wales voted for Brexit too!dugarbandier said:
You'd like a wall too?Sunil_Prasannan said:
PROPER Brexit for PROPER People!dugarbandier said:
do you prefer your brexit hard or soft, Sunil?Sunil_Prasannan said:
LEAVE 17,410,742viewcode said:
2015/05/07: £1=$1.52Sunil_Prasannan said:
LEAVE 52%viewcode said:
Passes the time.Tykejohnno said:Loving it - another thread of remain moaning.
REMAIN 48%
2016/10/10: £1=$1.23
:innocent
REMAIN 16,141,241
(I don't mind where you put it. The route of Offa's dyke?)0 -
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They're all around the edges, so if they vote to Remain in the UK that'll work out fine.dugarbandier said:
they can have a tunnelSunil_Prasannan said:
5 London Boroughs voted for Brexitdugarbandier said:
build it round London thenSunil_Prasannan said:
No, Wales voted for Brexit too!dugarbandier said:
You'd like a wall too?Sunil_Prasannan said:
PROPER Brexit for PROPER People!dugarbandier said:
do you prefer your brexit hard or soft, Sunil?Sunil_Prasannan said:
LEAVE 17,410,742viewcode said:
2015/05/07: £1=$1.52Sunil_Prasannan said:
LEAVE 52%viewcode said:
Passes the time.Tykejohnno said:Loving it - another thread of remain moaning.
REMAIN 48%
2016/10/10: £1=$1.23
:innocent
REMAIN 16,141,241
(I don't mind where you put it. The route of Offa's dyke?)
It's probably better if the UK keeps Heathrow anyhow, but if it also has a border with London that's ideal because you can give it 2 sets of customs.0 -
most educational!Sunil_Prasannan said:0 -
they won't need heathrow, because the underground maglev connecting to paris, scotland and dublin will provide fine airport facilitiesedmundintokyo said:
They're all around the edges, so if they vote to Remain in the UK that'll work out fine.dugarbandier said:
they can have a tunnelSunil_Prasannan said:
5 London Boroughs voted for Brexitdugarbandier said:
build it round London thenSunil_Prasannan said:
No, Wales voted for Brexit too!dugarbandier said:
You'd like a wall too?Sunil_Prasannan said:
PROPER Brexit for PROPER People!dugarbandier said:
do you prefer your brexit hard or soft, Sunil?Sunil_Prasannan said:
LEAVE 17,410,742viewcode said:
2015/05/07: £1=$1.52Sunil_Prasannan said:
LEAVE 52%viewcode said:
Passes the time.Tykejohnno said:Loving it - another thread of remain moaning.
REMAIN 48%
2016/10/10: £1=$1.23
:innocent
REMAIN 16,141,241
(I don't mind where you put it. The route of Offa's dyke?)
It's probably better if the UK keeps Heathrow anyhow, but if it also has a border with London that's ideal because you can give it 2 sets of customs.
(did birmingham vote for remain?)0 -
With adequate security they should be able to run a high-speed train line overground through the districts.dugarbandier said:
they won't need heathrow, because the underground maglev connecting to paris, scotland and dublin will provide fine airport facilitiesedmundintokyo said:
They're all around the edges, so if they vote to Remain in the UK that'll work out fine.dugarbandier said:
they can have a tunnelSunil_Prasannan said:
5 London Boroughs voted for Brexitdugarbandier said:
build it round London thenSunil_Prasannan said:
No, Wales voted for Brexit too!dugarbandier said:
You'd like a wall too?Sunil_Prasannan said:
PROPER Brexit for PROPER People!dugarbandier said:
do you prefer your brexit hard or soft, Sunil?Sunil_Prasannan said:
LEAVE 17,410,742viewcode said:
2015/05/07: £1=$1.52Sunil_Prasannan said:
LEAVE 52%viewcode said:
Passes the time.Tykejohnno said:Loving it - another thread of remain moaning.
REMAIN 48%
2016/10/10: £1=$1.23
:innocent
REMAIN 16,141,241
(I don't mind where you put it. The route of Offa's dyke?)
It's probably better if the UK keeps Heathrow anyhow, but if it also has a border with London that's ideal because you can give it 2 sets of customs.
(did birmingham vote for remain?)
http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/thehungergames/images/8/8e/Dist11station.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/10400 -
I've never watch that, maybe should try it. Cinema out in the 田舎 all too often dubbed, so I don't often go. considering netflixedmundintokyo said:
With adequate security they should be able to run a high-speed train line overground through the districts.dugarbandier said:
they won't need heathrow, because the underground maglev connecting to paris, scotland and dublin will provide fine airport facilitiesedmundintokyo said:
They're all around the edges, so if they vote to Remain in the UK that'll work out fine.dugarbandier said:
they can have a tunnelSunil_Prasannan said:
5 London Boroughs voted for Brexitdugarbandier said:
build it round London thenSunil_Prasannan said:
No, Wales voted for Brexit too!dugarbandier said:
You'd like a wall too?Sunil_Prasannan said:
PROPER Brexit for PROPER People!dugarbandier said:
do you prefer your brexit hard or soft, Sunil?Sunil_Prasannan said:
LEAVE 17,410,742viewcode said:
2015/05/07: £1=$1.52Sunil_Prasannan said:
LEAVE 52%viewcode said:
Passes the time.Tykejohnno said:Loving it - another thread of remain moaning.
REMAIN 48%
2016/10/10: £1=$1.23
:innocent
REMAIN 16,141,241
(I don't mind where you put it. The route of Offa's dyke?)
It's probably better if the UK keeps Heathrow anyhow, but if it also has a border with London that's ideal because you can give it 2 sets of customs.
(did birmingham vote for remain?)
http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/thehungergames/images/8/8e/Dist11station.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/10400 -
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See the OperationPurgeCucks hashtag for more happy familyness.dugarbandier said:0 -
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/davos/12108569/World-faces-wave-of-epic-debt-defaults-fears-central-bank-veteran.html
"Every major country is engaged in currency wars even though they insist that QE has nothing to do with competitive depreciation. They have all been playing the game except for China - so far - and it is a zero-sum game. China could really up the ante."
If the game is competitive devaulation, brexit must have been a masterstroke...
(I know this is AEP, but at least he is quoting someone else this time)0 -
What is a "cuck" by the way? I am afraid to google itedmundintokyo said:0 -
Wow. "Paul Ryan looks like a muslim" (and many more...)edmundintokyo said:0 -
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In particular note that Trump can't lose, he can only be sabotaged, so if Trump appears to be losing on election day, that's proof of sabotage, and Trump enthusiasts spoil their down-ticket ballots.williamglenn said:0 -
Short for cuckold, apparently.dugarbandier said:
What is a "cuck" by the way? I am afraid to google itedmundintokyo said:
The definition on UD is ... oddAnother name for the great "Onision" leader of the cuckolds. In the cuck fashion, Onision is a liberal feminazi vegetarian only he has millions of followers from all around the world. All bow before the cuck king, Onision, lots of the cuckold empire.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cuck
"There goes lord Onision again, being the biggest cuck in the history of cucks."
Thank you kind warrior, cuckold of Onision!
Edit: Onision is, as far as I can tell, is a US Youtuber.0 -
I watched his Periscopes during the night too - he gets about 2-3k viewers time and was talking with other 'dissidents' today. Lots of well known names for those interested in it.williamglenn said:ttps://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/785625135126421505
And my line is hopping mad with Ryan in particular - Dan Senor has issued a non denial 'a ludicrous suggestion'. So that's a Yes then.
McCain is right in the cross hairs along with bigwigs in Utah - the local GOP team are backing Trump regardless.0 -
They really have let loose a monster haven't they?edmundintokyo said:
In particular note that Trump can't lose, he can only be sabotaged, so if Trump appears to be losing on election day, that's proof of sabotage, and Trump enthusiasts spoil their down-ticket ballots.williamglenn said:0 -
Generally it seems to be shorthand for RINOs, GOP Establishment and turncoats especially NeverTrumpersJosiasJessop said:
Short for cuckold, apparently.dugarbandier said:
What is a "cuck" by the way? I am afraid to google itedmundintokyo said:
The definition on UD is ... oddAnother name for the great "Onision" leader of the cuckolds. In the cuck fashion, Onision is a liberal feminazi vegetarian only he has millions of followers from all around the world. All bow before the cuck king, Onision, lots of the cuckold empire.
"There goes lord Onision again, being the biggest cuck in the history of cucks."
Thank you kind warrior, cuckold of Onision!
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cuck
Edit: Onision is, as far as I can tell, is a US Youtuber.0 -
Trump's PA rally was extraordinary, venue full to capacity and thousands in overflow - queued for up to six hours to get in. The press pack were loudly booed as they came in, Trump kept getting the audience to turn round and heckle them. Chanting of FCUK CNN and Jail Her!!david_herdson said:
They really have let loose a monster haven't they?edmundintokyo said:
In particular note that Trump can't lose, he can only be sabotaged, so if Trump appears to be losing on election day, that's proof of sabotage, and Trump enthusiasts spoil their down-ticket ballots.williamglenn said:0 -
Fascinating all this new langauge!PlatoSaid said:
Generally it seems to be shorthand for RINOs, GOP Establishment and turncoats especially NeverTrumpersJosiasJessop said:
Short for cuckold, apparently.dugarbandier said:
What is a "cuck" by the way? I am afraid to google itedmundintokyo said:
The definition on UD is ... oddAnother name for the great "Onision" leader of the cuckolds. In the cuck fashion, Onision is a liberal feminazi vegetarian only he has millions of followers from all around the world. All bow before the cuck king, Onision, lots of the cuckold empire.
"There goes lord Onision again, being the biggest cuck in the history of cucks."
Thank you kind warrior, cuckold of Onision!
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cuck
Edit: Onision is, as far as I can tell, is a US Youtuber.
I suppose RINO is Republican in Name Only? which seems to apply mainly to these lot threatening not to vote for republicans, only Trump..
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charming fellows. I'm sure it was just shorthand for "Jail her after an appropriate and constitutional legal process"PlatoSaid said:
Trump's PA rally was extraordinary, venue full to capacity and thousands in overflow - queued for up to six hours to get in. The press pack were loudly booed as they came in, Trump kept getting the audience to turn round and heckle them. Chanting of FCUK CNN and Jail Her!!david_herdson said:
They really have let loose a monster haven't they?edmundintokyo said:
In particular note that Trump can't lose, he can only be sabotaged, so if Trump appears to be losing on election day, that's proof of sabotage, and Trump enthusiasts spoil their down-ticket ballots.williamglenn said:
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There's a certain irony that someone who boasts of committing sexual assaults, and has amassed a fortune on the back of not paying taxes or small contractors, is trying to take the moral high ground.dugarbandier said:
charming fellows. I'm sure it was just shorthand for "Jail her after an appropriate and constitutional legal process"PlatoSaid said:
Trump's PA rally was extraordinary, venue full to capacity and thousands in overflow - queued for up to six hours to get in. The press pack were loudly booed as they came in, Trump kept getting the audience to turn round and heckle them. Chanting of FCUK CNN and Jail Her!!david_herdson said:
They really have let loose a monster haven't they?edmundintokyo said:
In particular note that Trump can't lose, he can only be sabotaged, so if Trump appears to be losing on election day, that's proof of sabotage, and Trump enthusiasts spoil their down-ticket ballots.williamglenn said:0 -
Not really - it's more GOPers who've been become very Democrat in their policy outlook. Provided you're loyal to the Party - that's fine even if it's very lukewarm or silent, it's the plotters/sabotagers who seem keener to keep their own bums on seats than choose SCOTUS etc.dugarbandier said:
Fascinating all this new langauge!PlatoSaid said:
Generally it seems to be shorthand for RINOs, GOP Establishment and turncoats especially NeverTrumpersJosiasJessop said:
Short for cuckold, apparently.dugarbandier said:
What is a "cuck" by the way? I am afraid to google itedmundintokyo said:
The definition on UD is ... oddAnother name for the great "Onision" leader of the cuckolds. In the cuck fashion, Onision is a liberal feminazi vegetarian only he has millions of followers from all around the world. All bow before the cuck king, Onision, lots of the cuckold empire.
"There goes lord Onision again, being the biggest cuck in the history of cucks."
Thank you kind warrior, cuckold of Onision!
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cuck
Edit: Onision is, as far as I can tell, is a US Youtuber.
I suppose RINO is Republican in Name Only? which seems to apply mainly to these lot threatening not to vote for republicans, only Trump..
This is being seen as a watershed moment - very like more Cameron vs Brexit/May. And if the Dems win, then they'll essentially control the Supreme Court for decades.0 -
In other words, a load of bo**ocks.PlatoSaid said:
Generally it seems to be shorthand for RINOs, GOP Establishment and turncoats especially NeverTrumpersJosiasJessop said:
Short for cuckold, apparently.dugarbandier said:
What is a "cuck" by the way? I am afraid to google itedmundintokyo said:
The definition on UD is ... oddAnother name for the great "Onision" leader of the cuckolds. In the cuck fashion, Onision is a liberal feminazi vegetarian only he has millions of followers from all around the world. All bow before the cuck king, Onision, lots of the cuckold empire.
"There goes lord Onision again, being the biggest cuck in the history of cucks."
Thank you kind warrior, cuckold of Onision!
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cuck
Edit: Onision is, as far as I can tell, is a US Youtuber.0 -
Plato might not be the best person to ask about the meanings of terms such as RINO, and particularly TINO ...dugarbandier said:
Fascinating all this new langauge!PlatoSaid said:
Generally it seems to be shorthand for RINOs, GOP Establishment and turncoats especially NeverTrumpersJosiasJessop said:
Short for cuckold, apparently.dugarbandier said:
What is a "cuck" by the way? I am afraid to google itedmundintokyo said:
The definition on UD is ... oddAnother name for the great "Onision" leader of the cuckolds. In the cuck fashion, Onision is a liberal feminazi vegetarian only he has millions of followers from all around the world. All bow before the cuck king, Onision, lots of the cuckold empire.
"There goes lord Onision again, being the biggest cuck in the history of cucks."
Thank you kind warrior, cuckold of Onision!
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cuck
Edit: Onision is, as far as I can tell, is a US Youtuber.
I suppose RINO is Republican in Name Only? which seems to apply mainly to these lot threatening not to vote for republicans, only Trump.. 0 -
Someone has 'leaked' his 2013 tax returns - Trump paid $40m in fed taxes and donated $27m mainly to Cato Institute and a couple of other big ones. Same method as last time so presumably same source.rcs1000 said:
There's a certain irony that someone who boasts of committing sexual assaults, and has amassed a fortune on the back of not paying taxes or small contractors, is trying to take the moral high ground.dugarbandier said:
charming fellows. I'm sure it was just shorthand for "Jail her after an appropriate and constitutional legal process"PlatoSaid said:
Trump's PA rally was extraordinary, venue full to capacity and thousands in overflow - queued for up to six hours to get in. The press pack were loudly booed as they came in, Trump kept getting the audience to turn round and heckle them. Chanting of FCUK CNN and Jail Her!!david_herdson said:
They really have let loose a monster haven't they?edmundintokyo said:
In particular note that Trump can't lose, he can only be sabotaged, so if Trump appears to be losing on election day, that's proof of sabotage, and Trump enthusiasts spoil their down-ticket ballots.williamglenn said:0 -
In other news, the Samsung Note 7 recall is a massive blow to Samsung.
I'm starting to wonder if the battery is the cause, or at least the sole cause. Charging firmware might be another or, worse, the charging circuitry.
(I've mentioned in the past that Acorn had problems with Master 128's blowing up when their CMOS battery overcharged. That was down to two circuit tracks being sightly too close together. It took months to reproduce, but was fixed by producing a fault tree and changing anything that might have caused the problem).0 -
As a matter of interest, which of Trump's policies, do you find particularly Republican?PlatoSaid said:
Not really - it's more GOPers who've been become very Democrat in their policy outlook. Provided you're loyal to the Party - that's fine even if it's very lukewarm or silent, it's the plotters/sabotagers who seem keener to keep their own bums on seats than choose SCOTUS etc.dugarbandier said:
Fascinating all this new langauge!PlatoSaid said:
Generally it seems to be shorthand for RINOs, GOP Establishment and turncoats especially NeverTrumpersJosiasJessop said:
Short for cuckold, apparently.dugarbandier said:
What is a "cuck" by the way? I am afraid to google itedmundintokyo said:
The definition on UD is ... oddAnother name for the great "Onision" leader of the cuckolds. In the cuck fashion, Onision is a liberal feminazi vegetarian only he has millions of followers from all around the world. All bow before the cuck king, Onision, lots of the cuckold empire.
"There goes lord Onision again, being the biggest cuck in the history of cucks."
Thank you kind warrior, cuckold of Onision!
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cuck
Edit: Onision is, as far as I can tell, is a US Youtuber.
I suppose RINO is Republican in Name Only? which seems to apply mainly to these lot threatening not to vote for republicans, only Trump..
This is being seen as a watershed moment - very like more Cameron vs Brexit/May. And if the Dems win, then they'll essentially control the Supreme Court for decades.
Aren't most of his policies - opposition to free trade, etc. - mostly traditional Democrat ones?0 -
Which suggests something north of $100m in income for the year. Interesting, albeit just a single year.PlatoSaid said:
Someone has 'leaked' his 2013 tax returns - Trump paid $40m in fed taxes and donated $27m mainly to Cato Institute and a couple of other big ones. Same method as last time so presumably same source.rcs1000 said:
There's a certain irony that someone who boasts of committing sexual assaults, and has amassed a fortune on the back of not paying taxes or small contractors, is trying to take the moral high ground.dugarbandier said:
charming fellows. I'm sure it was just shorthand for "Jail her after an appropriate and constitutional legal process"PlatoSaid said:
Trump's PA rally was extraordinary, venue full to capacity and thousands in overflow - queued for up to six hours to get in. The press pack were loudly booed as they came in, Trump kept getting the audience to turn round and heckle them. Chanting of FCUK CNN and Jail Her!!david_herdson said:
They really have let loose a monster haven't they?edmundintokyo said:
In particular note that Trump can't lose, he can only be sabotaged, so if Trump appears to be losing on election day, that's proof of sabotage, and Trump enthusiasts spoil their down-ticket ballots.williamglenn said:0 -
Are there many of those?PlatoSaid said:
Not really - it's more GOPers who've been become very Democrat in their policy outlook.
well, whoever wins will get to propose judges, right? but if yr trumpeters don't vote republican they're less likely to be able to influence the pick in the case where the donald doesn't winPlatoSaid said:
Provided you're loyal to the Party - that's fine even if it's very lukewarm or silent, it's the plotters/sabotagers who seem keener to keep their own bums on seats than choose SCOTUS etc.
This is being seen as a watershed moment - very like more Cameron vs Brexit/May. And if the Dems win, then they'll essentially control the Supreme Court for decades.0 -
Plato has bravely gone into deep cover in the trumpite hinterland, reading all those tweets so we don't have to.JosiasJessop said:
Plato might not be the best person to ask about the meanings of terms such as RINO, and particularly TINO ...dugarbandier said:
Fascinating all this new langauge!PlatoSaid said:
Generally it seems to be shorthand for RINOs, GOP Establishment and turncoats especially NeverTrumpersJosiasJessop said:
Short for cuckold, apparently.dugarbandier said:
What is a "cuck" by the way? I am afraid to google itedmundintokyo said:
The definition on UD is ... oddAnother name for the great "Onision" leader of the cuckolds. In the cuck fashion, Onision is a liberal feminazi vegetarian only he has millions of followers from all around the world. All bow before the cuck king, Onision, lots of the cuckold empire.
"There goes lord Onision again, being the biggest cuck in the history of cucks."
Thank you kind warrior, cuckold of Onision!
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cuck
Edit: Onision is, as far as I can tell, is a US Youtuber.
I suppose RINO is Republican in Name Only? which seems to apply mainly to these lot threatening not to vote for republicans, only Trump..0 -
Just like our own dear Corbyn's rallies.PlatoSaid said:
Trump's PA rally was extraordinary, venue full to capacity and thousands in overflow - queued for up to six hours to get in. The press pack were loudly booed as they came in, Trump kept getting the audience to turn round and heckle them. Chanting of FCUK CNN and Jail Her!!david_herdson said:
They really have let loose a monster haven't they?edmundintokyo said:
In particular note that Trump can't lose, he can only be sabotaged, so if Trump appears to be losing on election day, that's proof of sabotage, and Trump enthusiasts spoil their down-ticket ballots.williamglenn said:0 -
FPT
The bit in Lithuania ("Memelland") went in 1918 under the Treaty of Versailleswilliamglenn said:
East Prussia was much bigger than the modern day Kaliningrad oblast, with part of it also being part of modern day Lithuania. The use of the term is not illuminating in the slightest.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Because it f***ing well is East Prussia with Kaliningrad the capital being a renamed Konigsberg, the ancient Prussian capital. The western bit of it being lopped off into Poland in 1945 is irrelevant.williamglenn said:
Why do you insist on misusing historical terms like East Prussia? It's non congruous with Kaliningrad you know.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
I note the things you state economically, but they are still trying to sort out a single currency that is causing economic ruin in the south which makes them vulnerable, especially with Uncle Vlad on manouvers and filling East Prussia with missiles.
And the historical parallel is quite creepy. Russia now separated from East Prussia by Poland etc. since 1990 and rather sore about those territorial losses just as Germany was after Versailles.
http://nemet-sorstragedia.lorincz-veger.hu/images/ostpreussen_map_en.jpg
East Prussias Borders are unchanged since then as far west as the point where Stalin put his thumb on the map and the cartographer drew a line along it putting half of it in Russia and the western half in Poland.
Russia haven't forgotten and have seriously considered restoring the names Konigsberg and East Pussia to describe the city and territory in the past, the names are widely used locally in any case:
http://konigsberg.ru/eng/
http://www.eastprussia.ru/
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I believe it's shorthand for people who have been loyal Republicans for years, yet who have committed the terrible, unforgivable crime (*) of not supporting Trump due to his comments. Well known wets such as Paul Ryan.dugarbandier said:
Are there many of those?PlatoSaid said:
Not really - it's more GOPers who've been become very Democrat in their policy outlook.
(Snip)
In the same brain-dead way that the Labour moderates, in the eyes of some Corbynites, are not Labour.
It's not politics: it's a cult.
(*) Not realt.0 -
I have sympathy with law and order, strong borders, making sure that new arrivals are properly vetted, and a strong national identity. An economy that works for everyone - not DC troughers.rcs1000 said:
As a matter of interest, which of Trump's policies, do you find particularly Republican?PlatoSaid said:
Not really - it's more GOPers who've been become very Democrat in their policy outlook. Provided you're loyal to the Party - that's fine even if it's very lukewarm or silent, it's the plotIters/sabotagers who seem keener to keep their own bums on seats than choose SCOTUS etc.dugarbandier said:
Fascinating all this new langauge!PlatoSaid said:
Generally it seems to be shorthand for RINOs, GOP Establishment and turncoats especially NeverTrumpersJosiasJessop said:
Short for cuckold, apparently.dugarbandier said:
What is a "cuck" by the way? I am afraid to google itedmundintokyo said:
The definition on UD is ... oddAnother name for the great "Onision" leader of the cuckolds. In the cuck fashion, Onision is a liberal feminazi vegetarian only he has millions of followers from all around the world. All bow before the cuck king, Onision, lots of the cuckold empire.
"There goes lord Onision again, being the biggest cuck in the history of cucks."
Thank you kind warrior, cuckold of Onision!
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cuck
Edit: Onision is, as far as I can tell, is a US Youtuber.
I suppose RINO is Republican in Name Only? which seems to apply mainly to these lot threatening not to vote for republicans, only Trump..
This is being seen as a watershed moment - very like more Cameron vs Brexit/May. And if the Dems win, then they'll essentially control the Supreme Court for decades.
Aren't most of his policies - opposition to free trade, etc. - mostly traditional Democrat ones?
It's a cultural thing and the Democrats seem very keen to divide with identity politics on steroids.0 -
I think it was on $278m - he's got good accountants.rcs1000 said:
Which suggests something north of $100m in income for the year. Interesting, albeit just a single year.PlatoSaid said:
Someone has 'leaked' his 2013 tax returns - Trump paid $40m in fed taxes and donated $27m mainly to Cato Institute and a couple of other big ones. Same method as last time so presumably same source.rcs1000 said:
There's a certain irony that someone who boasts of committing sexual assaults, and has amassed a fortune on the back of not paying taxes or small contractors, is trying to take the moral high ground.dugarbandier said:
charming fellows. I'm sure it was just shorthand for "Jail her after an appropriate and constitutional legal process"PlatoSaid said:
Trump's PA rally was extraordinary, venue full to capacity and thousands in overflow - queued for up to six hours to get in. The press pack were loudly booed as they came in, Trump kept getting the audience to turn round and heckle them. Chanting of FCUK CNN and Jail Her!!david_herdson said:
They really have let loose a monster haven't they?edmundintokyo said:
In particular note that Trump can't lose, he can only be sabotaged, so if Trump appears to be losing on election day, that's proof of sabotage, and Trump enthusiasts spoil their down-ticket ballots.williamglenn said:0 -
A single year close to Trump running for president. It would be interesting to see a year or two before that.rcs1000 said:
Which suggests something north of $100m in income for the year. Interesting, albeit just a single year.PlatoSaid said:
Someone has 'leaked' his 2013 tax returns - Trump paid $40m in fed taxes and donated $27m mainly to Cato Institute and a couple of other big ones. Same method as last time so presumably same source.rcs1000 said:
There's a certain irony that someone who boasts of committing sexual assaults, and has amassed a fortune on the back of not paying taxes or small contractors, is trying to take the moral high ground.dugarbandier said:
charming fellows. I'm sure it was just shorthand for "Jail her after an appropriate and constitutional legal process"PlatoSaid said:
Trump's PA rally was extraordinary, venue full to capacity and thousands in overflow - queued for up to six hours to get in. The press pack were loudly booed as they came in, Trump kept getting the audience to turn round and heckle them. Chanting of FCUK CNN and Jail Her!!david_herdson said:
They really have let loose a monster haven't they?edmundintokyo said:
In particular note that Trump can't lose, he can only be sabotaged, so if Trump appears to be losing on election day, that's proof of sabotage, and Trump enthusiasts spoil their down-ticket ballots.williamglenn said:0 -
Rubbish. It's Republicans who think that Trump is, in your terminology, a RINO. As well as a misogynist, a sexual predator and ultimately destructive to Republicanism.PlatoSaid said:
Not really - it's more GOPers who've been become very Democrat in their policy outlook. Provided you're loyal to the Party - that's fine even if it's very lukewarm or silent, it's the plotters/sabotagers who seem keener to keep their own bums on seats than choose SCOTUS etc.dugarbandier said:
Fascinating all this new langauge!PlatoSaid said:
Generally it seems to be shorthand for RINOs, GOP Establishment and turncoats especially NeverTrumpersJosiasJessop said:
Short for cuckold, apparently.dugarbandier said:
What is a "cuck" by the way? I am afraid to google itedmundintokyo said:
The definition on UD is ... oddAnother name for the great "Onision" leader of the cuckolds. In the cuck fashion, Onision is a liberal feminazi vegetarian only he has millions of followers from all around the world. All bow before the cuck king, Onision, lots of the cuckold empire.
"There goes lord Onision again, being the biggest cuck in the history of cucks."
Thank you kind warrior, cuckold of Onision!
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cuck
Edit: Onision is, as far as I can tell, is a US Youtuber.
I suppose RINO is Republican in Name Only? which seems to apply mainly to these lot threatening not to vote for republicans, only Trump..
This is being seen as a watershed moment - very like more Cameron vs Brexit/May. And if the Dems win, then they'll essentially control the Supreme Court for decades.0 -
Seriously? You don't think that Trump has divisively played the identity card louder than any candidate since Wallace?PlatoSaid said:
I have sympathy with law and order, strong borders, making sure that new arrivals are properly vetted, and a strong national identity. An economy that works for everyone - not DC troughers.rcs1000 said:
As a matter of interest, which of Trump's policies, do you find particularly Republican?PlatoSaid said:
Not really - it's more GOPers who've been become very Democrat in their policy outlook. Provided you're loyal to the Party - that's fine even if it's very lukewarm or silent, it's the plotIters/sabotagers who seem keener to keep their own bums on seats than choose SCOTUS etc.dugarbandier said:
Fascinating all this new langauge!PlatoSaid said:
Generally it seems to be shorthand for RINOs, GOP Establishment and turncoats especially NeverTrumpersJosiasJessop said:
Short for cuckold, apparently.dugarbandier said:
What is a "cuck" by the way? I am afraid to google itedmundintokyo said:
The definition on UD is ... oddAnother name for the great "Onision" leader of the cuckolds. In the cuck fashion, Onision is a liberal feminazi vegetarian only he has millions of followers from all around the world. All bow before the cuck king, Onision, lots of the cuckold empire.
"There goes lord Onision again, being the biggest cuck in the history of cucks."
Thank you kind warrior, cuckold of Onision!
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cuck
Edit: Onision is, as far as I can tell, is a US Youtuber.
I suppose RINO is Republican in Name Only? which seems to apply mainly to these lot threatening not to vote for republicans, only Trump..
This is being seen as a watershed moment - very like more Cameron vs Brexit/May. And if the Dems win, then they'll essentially control the Supreme Court for decades.
Aren't most of his policies - opposition to free trade, etc. - mostly traditional Democrat ones?
It's a cultural thing and the Democrats seem very keen to divide with identity politics on steroids.0 -
They're playing chicken with the RNC now - if you don't support the nominee - we won't support you. As Cernovich said - 'we'll be your best friend, or worst enemy'dugarbandier said:
Are there many of those?PlatoSaid said:
Not really - it's more GOPers who've been become very Democrat in their policy outlook.
well, whoever wins will get to propose judges, right? but if yr trumpeters don't vote republican they're less likely to be able to influence the pick in the case where the donald doesn't winPlatoSaid said:
Provided you're loyal to the Party - that's fine even if it's very lukewarm or silent, it's the plotters/sabotagers who seem keener to keep their own bums on seats than choose SCOTUS etc.
This is being seen as a watershed moment - very like more Cameron vs Brexit/May. And if the Dems win, then they'll essentially control the Supreme Court for decades.0 -
** It will be if Trump gets in. Jail Them!!! (Or it will be in their minds)JosiasJessop said:
I believe it's shorthand for people who have been loyal Republicans for years, yet who have committed the terrible, unforgivable crime (*) of not supporting Trump due to his comments. Well known wets such as Paul Ryan.dugarbandier said:
Are there many of those?PlatoSaid said:
Not really - it's more GOPers who've been become very Democrat in their policy outlook.
(Snip)
In the same brain-dead way that the Labour moderates, in the eyes of some Corbynites, are not Labour.
It's not politics: it's a cult.
(*) Not real.**0 -
The original point is half-right though. Memelland went to Lithuania after WWI but East Prussia was split after WWII with about half going to Russia - the Kalingrad enclave - and half being incorporated into Poland.Paul_Bedfordshire said:FPT
The bit in Lithuania ("Memelland") went in 1918 under the Treaty of Versailleswilliamglenn said:
East Prussia was much bigger than the modern day Kaliningrad oblast, with part of it also being part of modern day Lithuania. The use of the term is not illuminating in the slightest.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Because it f***ing well is East Prussia with Kaliningrad the capital being a renamed Konigsberg, the ancient Prussian capital. The western bit of it being lopped off into Poland in 1945 is irrelevant.williamglenn said:
Why do you insist on misusing historical terms like East Prussia? It's non congruous with Kaliningrad you know.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
I note the things you state economically, but they are still trying to sort out a single currency that is causing economic ruin in the south which makes them vulnerable, especially with Uncle Vlad on manouvers and filling East Prussia with missiles.
And the historical parallel is quite creepy. Russia now separated from East Prussia by Poland etc. since 1990 and rather sore about those territorial losses just as Germany was after Versailles.
http://nemet-sorstragedia.lorincz-veger.hu/images/ostpreussen_map_en.jpg
East Prussias Borders are unchanged since then as far west as the point where Stalin put his thumb on the map and the cartographer drew a line along it putting half of it in Russia and the western half in Poland.
Russia haven't forgotten and have seriously considered restoring the names Konigsberg and East Pussia to describe the city and territory in the past, the names are widely used locally in any case:
http://konigsberg.ru/eng/
http://www.eastprussia.ru/0 -
I think they may be suffering from the corbynite twitter/rally amplification syndrome, and imagining there are many more of them than there are in realityPlatoSaid said:
They're playing chicken with the RNC now - if you don't support the nominee - we won't support you. As Cernovich said - 'we'll be your best friend, or worst enemy'dugarbandier said:
Are there many of those?PlatoSaid said:
Not really - it's more GOPers who've been become very Democrat in their policy outlook.
well, whoever wins will get to propose judges, right? but if yr trumpeters don't vote republican they're less likely to be able to influence the pick in the case where the donald doesn't winPlatoSaid said:
Provided you're loyal to the Party - that's fine even if it's very lukewarm or silent, it's the plotters/sabotagers who seem keener to keep their own bums on seats than choose SCOTUS etc.
This is being seen as a watershed moment - very like more Cameron vs Brexit/May. And if the Dems win, then they'll essentially control the Supreme Court for decades.0 -
There's a great clip from O'Reilly Factor floating about where he sums up the concerns of the grassroots Republicans.david_herdson said:
** It will be if Trump gets in. Jail Them!!! (Or it will be in their minds)JosiasJessop said:
I believe it's shorthand for people who have been loyal Republicans for years, yet who have committed the terrible, unforgivable crime (*) of not supporting Trump due to his comments. Well known wets such as Paul Ryan.dugarbandier said:
Are there many of those?PlatoSaid said:
Not really - it's more GOPers who've been become very Democrat in their policy outlook.
(Snip)
In the same brain-dead way that the Labour moderates, in the eyes of some Corbynites, are not Labour.
It's not politics: it's a cult.
(*) Not real.**
He also broke a story that three big media companies have instructed their staff not to support Trump. It's a right old mess - CNN caught red handed coaching their debate focus group was a classic.0 -
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/11/opinion/britains-nuclear-cover-up.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-right-region®ion=opinion-c-col-right-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region
"One might say that with the Hinkley Point project, the British government is using billions of Chinese money to build stealth submarines designed to deter China.
One can certainly say that the British government is using an ill-advised civilian nuclear energy project as a convoluted means of financing a submarine program."
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Despite the shock jock headline the meat in this story doesn't appear to be much more than that some of the training expenditure (which must be tiny in relation to the capital spend) is in areas of overlap between civilian and military nuclear technology?dugarbandier said:http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/11/opinion/britains-nuclear-cover-up.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-right-region®ion=opinion-c-col-right-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region
"One might say that with the Hinkley Point project, the British government is using billions of Chinese money to build stealth submarines designed to deter China.
One can certainly say that the British government is using an ill-advised civilian nuclear energy project as a convoluted means of financing a submarine program."0 -
Peter Wynn Kirby is a nuclear and environmental specialist at the University of Oxforddugarbandier said:http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/11/opinion/britains-nuclear-cover-up.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-right-region®ion=opinion-c-col-right-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region
"One might say that with the Hinkley Point project, the British government is using billions of Chinese money to build stealth submarines designed to deter China.
One can certainly say that the British government is using an ill-advised civilian nuclear energy project as a convoluted means of financing a submarine program."0 -
It is of course entirely possible to have a free trade area without free movement of people. The North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) is an example of this......
In each European country there is a small, globe-trotting elite. They often sneer at their own countries and reject national identity as being parochial and old-fashioned. These people are often loud cheerleaders for the EU – while they themselves see themselves as cosmopolitan ‘Europeans’. To them, national borders are simply an archaic annoyance.
Remind you of anyone....?
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yes, I saw that bit. I wondered what it says about British/US newspapers that it appears in a US one, rather than at home.CarlottaVance said:
Peter Wynn Kirby is a nuclear and environmental specialist at the University of Oxford
As an oxford fdon, I didn't rate his writing very highly. ":Questionable and ruinous" — surely if it is ruinous, it's not questionable0 -
"Lets Make America Grope Again!"dugarbandier said:
I think they may be suffering from the corbynite twitter/rally amplification syndrome, and imagining there are many more of them than there are in realityPlatoSaid said:
They're playing chicken with the RNC now - if you don't support the nominee - we won't support you. As Cernovich said - 'we'll be your best friend, or worst enemy'dugarbandier said:
Are there many of those?PlatoSaid said:
Not really - it's more GOPers who've been become very Democrat in their policy outlook.
well, whoever wins will get to propose judges, right? but if yr trumpeters don't vote republican they're less likely to be able to influence the pick in the case where the donald doesn't winPlatoSaid said:
Provided you're loyal to the Party - that's fine even if it's very lukewarm or silent, it's the plotters/sabotagers who seem keener to keep their own bums on seats than choose SCOTUS etc.
This is being seen as a watershed moment - very like more Cameron vs Brexit/May. And if the Dems win, then they'll essentially control the Supreme Court for decades.0 -
Interesting. I guess that they mean that the project is to help with designing the nuclear reactors on the submarines rather than the bombs?dugarbandier said:http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/11/opinion/britains-nuclear-cover-up.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-right-region®ion=opinion-c-col-right-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region
"One might say that with the Hinkley Point project, the British government is using billions of Chinese money to build stealth submarines designed to deter China.
One can certainly say that the British government is using an ill-advised civilian nuclear energy project as a convoluted means of financing a submarine program."0
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