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I’m currently in the red on the next president market. I moved into Trump in late July, saw a big increase in his price, and then failed to cash in before the first debate which, of course, changed the whole narrative.
Mr Glenn, the worst case scenario isn't WTO tariffs, it is a permanent slump from which we take decades to recover from.
The loss of inward investment is the real kicker during this period of uncertainty
It's basically saying GDP growth will be at most 0.6% lower per year, with a central estimate of 0.5%. I think both of those assumes no deal with the EU?
At this stage, being president is out of Trump's hands imo. The majority of the country hate him amd he is in open warfare with the GOP. Unless Clinton makes a horrendous mistake, its an open goal for her.
A close election in the US is one of the most exciting things in politics. This is not going to be that.
My only bet on this is for Trump placed long before he got the republican nomination. Looked pretty good for a while but an all but certain loser now. And thank the lord for that.
Anyone else think the pussygate video was merely an appetising hors d'oeuvre before the main course?
We've already been told that there are worse videos by someone who was in a position to know. Though it's hard to imagine how a video could be worse unless it went beyond words and into action.
Donald Trump's main chance now is that the polls are wrong. The behaviour of Republican luminaries suggests that they are confident that they are not.
The chances of the polls being wrong must be rather greater than usual because of the novel coalition that Donald Trump has put together. But ultimately I trust the Republican party establishment's judgement on this.
Anyone else think the pussygate video was merely an appetising hors d'oeuvre before the main course?
Honestly? I'm sick of it. Trump has the ethics of a pimp (and not the funny film versions) and paws his daughter in public. Clinton's husband may be a rapist. How the frak do we get some kind of nobility from this?
Unless Clinton makes a horrendous mistake, its an open goal for her.
And if she makes a horrendous mistake, it's an open gaol for her.
Is being a bit casual, or even deliberately obscuring with emails a jailing offence?
At most barring from public office, I would have thought.
Wouldn't get her in jail, but I'm surprised no one has been put out to dry for destroying the emails after the subpoena from Congress.
How much down ticket Republican damage would there have to be for the Democrats to take the Senate? The HoR must surely be out of reach.
I cannot see much value on Trump, even on the current 5.7. I cannot see a viable way for him to win FOP. I think the value has mostly gone on the State markets too.
Anyone else think the pussygate video was merely an appetising hors d'oeuvre before the main course?
Honestly? I'm sick of it. Trump has the ethics of a pimp (and not the funny film versions) and paws his daughter in public. Clinton's husband may be a rapist. How the frak do we get some kind of nobility from this?
aside from he said/she said, there is no evidence of clinton being a rapist. Its a 90's right wing fantasy
Anyone else think the pussygate video was merely an appetising hors d'oeuvre before the main course?
Honestly? I'm sick of it. Trump has the ethics of a pimp (and not the funny film versions) and paws his daughter in public. Clinton's husband may be a rapist. How the frak do we get some kind of nobility from this?
aside from he said/she said, there is no evidence of clinton being a rapist. Its a 90's right wing fantasy
Doesn't the same go for Trump's supposed sexual assault? It was just words, but you seem to think it was a confession.
Donald Trump's main chance now is that the polls are wrong. The behaviour of Republican luminaries suggests that they are confident that they are not.
The chances of the polls being wrong must be rather greater than usual because of the novel coalition that Donald Trump has put together. But ultimately I trust the Republican party establishment's judgement on this.
they would have to wrong across several polling companies by a ridiculous amount. If they are this wrong, all the polling companies might as well close their doors and never poll again
Ah, so it's nonsense then - designed to make the public think there'll be an instant £66bn black hole in the public finances on Brexit whereas actually they are saying the economy wouldn't be as big as it otherwise might have been in 15 years time, and it is relying on an assumption of no trade deals with anyone to do so plus some other heroically negative assumptions.
I absolutely smell an Osborne. Those who campaigned to Remain are now campaigning just as hard for the single market as a proxy.
Anyone else think the pussygate video was merely an appetising hors d'oeuvre before the main course?
We've already been told that there are worse videos by someone who was in a position to know. Though it's hard to imagine how a video could be worse unless it went beyond words and into action.
Ah, so it's nonsense then - designed to make the public think there'll be an instant £66bn black hole in the public finances on Brexit whereas actually they are saying the economy wouldn't be as big as it otherwise might have been in 15 years time, and it is relying on an assumption of no trade deals with anyone to do so plus some other heroically negative assumptions.
I absolutely smell an Osborne. Those who campaigned to Remain are now campaigning just as hard for the single market as a proxy.
The Times article said he was involved with it, and it dates from April.
Anyone else think the pussygate video was merely an appetising hors d'oeuvre before the main course?
We've already been told that there are worse videos by someone who was in a position to know. Though it's hard to imagine how a video could be worse unless it went beyond words and into action.
its him using the N word.
I guess we won't know if they don't get published. But that isn't important. What is important is that people think he said it.
Anyone else think the pussygate video was merely an appetising hors d'oeuvre before the main course?
Honestly? I'm sick of it. Trump has the ethics of a pimp (and not the funny film versions) and paws his daughter in public. Clinton's husband may be a rapist. How the frak do we get some kind of nobility from this?
aside from he said/she said, there is no evidence of clinton being a rapist. Its a 90's right wing fantasy
Doesn't the same go for Trump's supposed sexual assault? It was just words, but you seem to think it was a confession.
clearly someone boasting about sexual assault is stronger evidence.
'Acid-washed emails' Claim: Donald Trump claims Hillary Clinton "acid washed" 33,000 personal emails to delete them, something he said was an "expensive process". Reality Check verdict: A claim that has been debunked before. The FBI said Clinton's team used a free software programme called BleachBit. No chemicals were used. When he first made this claim, Trump's campaign said that he did not literally mean "acid washed", adding that it was a play on words and reference to a joke made by Clinton about "wiping" her email server with a cloth. BleachBit debunked Trump's claim on its website saying the software is not "very expensive," adding that it is completely free of charge.
Right now I suggest that the key question is not remain v leave, or hard v soft Brexit.
The most relevant Q is whether we think the government now has at least the outline of an agreed strategy and common approach in place, with the key players more or less on the same page, and is simply doing its best to protect our negotiating position by endeavouring to keep the decisions behind closed doors. And, further, that much of the comment and consequential analysis that is being made might well be clever conditioning in advance of A50 and the formal discussions.
Or, on the other hand, whether we think that the government is still basically clueless and playing things by ear, that the key players have their own agendas with May struggling to keep them in line, that there is a tussle going on mainly inside the Tory party between hard and soft, and a certain amount of fear of those outside the party backing each position (basically UKIP on the one hand and big business on the other).
Whilst the debate here indicates that most remainers lean toward the more pessimistic second view and most leavers towards the optimistic former, it is of course perfectly possible to be a leaver who doesn't think the government is handling it well or has yet got its act together, or a Remainer who believes that May mostly knows what she is doing.
Personally I would have expected to see a bit more common purpose from the top Tories before I bought into the first view. Unfortunately egos are often problematic in politics and the very long-lasting nature of the divisions within the Conservatives together with the suddenness with which we found ourselves in uncharted waters, coupled with experience that clued up politicians with agreed strategies are relatively uncommon, suggests to me that the government probably has a lot more work still to do before we get to March and A50. Plus there are lots of loose ends (Scotland, N Ireland and the border, Gibralter, the legal cases, etc.) still unresolved.
Anyone else think the pussygate video was merely an appetising hors d'oeuvre before the main course?
Honestly? I'm sick of it. Trump has the ethics of a pimp (and not the funny film versions) and paws his daughter in public. Clinton's husband may be a rapist. How the frak do we get some kind of nobility from this?
aside from he said/she said, there is no evidence of clinton being a rapist. Its a 90's right wing fantasy
Doesn't the same go for Trump's supposed sexual assault? It was just words, but you seem to think it was a confession.
clearly someone boasting about sexual assault is stronger evidence.
Unless Clinton makes a horrendous mistake, its an open goal for her.
And if she makes a horrendous mistake, it's an open gaol for her.
Is being a bit casual, or even deliberately obscuring with emails a jailing offence?
At most barring from public office, I would have thought.
Wouldn't get her in jail, but I'm surprised no one has been put out to dry for destroying the emails after the subpoena from Congress.
How much down ticket Republican damage would there have to be for the Democrats to take the Senate? The HoR must surely be out of reach.
I cannot see much value on Trump, even on the current 5.7. I cannot see a viable way for him to win FOP. I think the value has mostly gone on the State markets too.
Not much. The last four Senate results have been very lop- sided, meaning that each party runs the risk of hefty losses, if a good year, six years ago, runs into a bad year, or even an average year, in the current election.
'Acid-washed emails' Claim: Donald Trump claims Hillary Clinton "acid washed" 33,000 personal emails to delete them, something he said was an "expensive process". Reality Check verdict: A claim that has been debunked before. The FBI said Clinton's team used a free software programme called BleachBit. No chemicals were used. When he first made this claim, Trump's campaign said that he did not literally mean "acid washed", adding that it was a play on words and reference to a joke made by Clinton about "wiping" her email server with a cloth. BleachBit debunked Trump's claim on its website saying the software is not "very expensive," adding that it is completely free of charge.
No chemicals were used... you have to laugh
Not 'very expensive'. And I suppose Clinton's IT staff worked for free too?
Unless Clinton makes a horrendous mistake, its an open goal for her.
And if she makes a horrendous mistake, it's an open gaol for her.
Is being a bit casual, or even deliberately obscuring with emails a jailing offence?
At most barring from public office, I would have thought.
Wouldn't get her in jail, but I'm surprised no one has been put out to dry for destroying the emails after the subpoena from Congress.
How much down ticket Republican damage would there have to be for the Democrats to take the Senate? The HoR must surely be out of reach.
I cannot see much value on Trump, even on the current 5.7. I cannot see a viable way for him to win FOP. I think the value has mostly gone on the State markets too.
According to 538, there is a 58% chance that the Democrats will control the Senate (even if it by the casting vote of the VP)
'Acid-washed emails' Claim: Donald Trump claims Hillary Clinton "acid washed" 33,000 personal emails to delete them, something he said was an "expensive process". Reality Check verdict: A claim that has been debunked before. The FBI said Clinton's team used a free software programme called BleachBit. No chemicals were used. When he first made this claim, Trump's campaign said that he did not literally mean "acid washed", adding that it was a play on words and reference to a joke made by Clinton about "wiping" her email server with a cloth. BleachBit debunked Trump's claim on its website saying the software is not "very expensive," adding that it is completely free of charge.
No chemicals were used... you have to laugh
Not 'very expensive'. And I suppose Clinton's IT staff worked for free too?
I just love how totally deadpan that 'verdict' was.
I'm watching "A Most Wanted Man" on Film4. Something's been bugging me throughout all of it, and it's just clicked. Philip Seymour Hoffmann is trying to do und Cherman aksent but by accident he's ended up doing a Welsh/Richard Burton accent. Viewed in that light, it's accidentally hysterical
Unless Clinton makes a horrendous mistake, its an open goal for her.
And if she makes a horrendous mistake, it's an open gaol for her.
Is being a bit casual, or even deliberately obscuring with emails a jailing offence?
At most barring from public office, I would have thought.
Wouldn't get her in jail, but I'm surprised no one has been put out to dry for destroying the emails after the subpoena from Congress.
How much down ticket Republican damage would there have to be for the Democrats to take the Senate? The HoR must surely be out of reach.
I cannot see much value on Trump, even on the current 5.7. I cannot see a viable way for him to win FOP. I think the value has mostly gone on the State markets too.
it depends. the last 14 point lead poll had trump favorables at 29%. Say its actually 36%, and the women/minorities who hate him REALLY hate him.
Democrats and indies who vote Clinton wont split the ticket like that if you support Trump.
If you denounce Trump, you may get a split ticket vote, but you will get a good portion of crazy trumpers voting against you. Even if u survive, you might get primaried for next time.
Anyone else think the pussygate video was merely an appetising hors d'oeuvre before the main course?
Honestly? I'm sick of it. Trump has the ethics of a pimp (and not the funny film versions) and paws his daughter in public. Clinton's husband may be a rapist. How the frak do we get some kind of nobility from this?
aside from he said/she said, there is no evidence of clinton being a rapist. Its a 90's right wing fantasy
Doesn't the same go for Trump's supposed sexual assault? It was just words, but you seem to think it was a confession.
clearly someone boasting about sexual assault is stronger evidence.
It wouldn't stand up in a court of law...
we will find out when the case filed by his former business associate last year, where she accused him of grabbing her vagina, gets to court.
Anyone else think the pussygate video was merely an appetising hors d'oeuvre before the main course?
Honestly? I'm sick of it. Trump has the ethics of a pimp (and not the funny film versions) and paws his daughter in public. Clinton's husband may be a rapist. How the frak do we get some kind of nobility from this?
aside from he said/she said, there is no evidence of clinton being a rapist. Its a 90's right wing fantasy
Doesn't the same go for Trump's supposed sexual assault? It was just words, but you seem to think it was a confession.
clearly someone boasting about sexual assault is stronger evidence.
Do we know who had the Bush/Trump bus recording and has released it now? And I wonder whether he knew of its existence and thought he could get away with its release, or never expected it would see the light of day. Despite having no time for him personally or politically it is remarkable that after all the money and effort he has sunk into his campaign he has come unstuck because of an eleven year old accidental recording.
Anyone else think the pussygate video was merely an appetising hors d'oeuvre before the main course?
Honestly? I'm sick of it. Trump has the ethics of a pimp (and not the funny film versions) and paws his daughter in public. Clinton's husband may be a rapist. How the frak do we get some kind of nobility from this?
aside from he said/she said, there is no evidence of clinton being a rapist. Its a 90's right wing fantasy
Doesn't the same go for Trump's supposed sexual assault? It was just words, but you seem to think it was a confession.
clearly someone boasting about sexual assault is stronger evidence.
It wouldn't stand up in a court of law...
we will find out when the case filed by his former business associate last year, where she accused him of grabbing her vagina, gets to court.
Yeah, I suspect with more evidence than that tape.
The GOP farce is a precursor to how Labour will do with Jez as leader at a general election isn't it?
The leader says something awful and the rest of the party disown him.
I can't wait for the 2020 debates...
That's if May even has them...
There is a former Tory election guru who did say
'Theresa May will have the debates in 2020, she should do everything in her power to ensure Jeremy Corbyn is seen by the wider public, remember the vast majority of the public don't pay attention to politics apart from at a general election'
In answer to your question of the other day, the two currencies that have depreciated more than Sterling since June 24 are: the Mozambican Metzical, and the Sierra Leonean Leone.
I haven't been to SL, but I think that Mozambique has had a bit of a raw deal. It is a lovely country and people.
On rolling the dice and getting double sixes vs snake eyes, well Brexit is neither. It is pre-emptive action to protect the nation from a future populist uprising that we've been seeing in the US. They are very lucky that Nige is ineligible to run for president over there, he would have absolutely walked it, and the problems in America don't go away when Trump loses.
All across the EU we're seeing populists in the ascendancy or rising. Fidesz won in Poland, Orban is dominant in Hungary, Bepe Grillo is probably going to be the next Italian PM, Le Pen is in with a shout in France, the FPO will probably win the rerun in Austria, AfD will comfortably be the largest non-governing party in the Bundestag. There are also more UKIP style parties in Northern Europe, PVV in the Netherlands, the True Finns are in the governing coalition, the Sweden Democrats are polling relatively well and will gain seats, possibly end up as the largest party.
So looking across the channel at the rebellion against the establishment, Brexit is a symptom of the larger disease of wealth and income inequality. It is at times like these that we must look after our own and get our own house in order or everything we've built will be swept away. I'd rather Brexit than deal with a very messy populist uprising in 10-15 years.
The GOP farce is a precursor to how Labour will do with Jez as leader at a general election isn't it?
The leader says something awful and the rest of the party disown him.
I can't wait for the 2020 debates...
That's if May even has them...
There is a former Tory election guru who did say
'Theresa May will have the debates in 2020, she should do everything in her power to ensure Jeremy Corbyn is seen by the wider public, remember the vast majority of the public don't pay attention to politics apart from at a general election'
I would advise her to say nothing and let Jezza do all the talking.
In answer to your question of the other day, the two currencies that have depreciated more than Sterling since June 24 are: the Mozambican Metzical, and the Sierra Leonean Leone.
I haven't been to SL, but I think that Mozambique has had a bit of a raw deal. It is a lovely country and people.
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On rolling the dice and getting double sixes vs snake eyes, well Brexit is neither. It is pre-emptive action to protect the nation from a future populist uprising that we've been seeing in the US. They are very lucky that Nige is ineligible to run for president over there, he would have absolutely walked it, and the problems in America don't go away when Trump loses.
All across the EU we're seeing populists in the ascendancy or rising. Fidesz won in Poland, Orban is dominant in Hungary, Bepe Grillo is probably going to be the next Italian PM, Le Pen is in with a shout in France, the FPO will probably win the rerun in Austria, AfD will comfortably be the largest non-governing party in the Bundestag. There are also more UKIP style parties in Northern Europe, PVV in the Netherlands, the True Finns are in the governing coalition, the Sweden Democrats are polling relatively well and will gain seats, possibly end up as the largest party.
So looking across the channel at the rebellion against the establishment, Brexit is a symptom of the larger disease of wealth and income inequality. It is at times like these that we must look after our own and get our own house in order or everything we've built will be swept away. I'd rather Brexit than deal with a very messy populist uprising in 10-15 years.
What of a populist uprising in five years time when the voters rise up against the Leavers who promised them economic sunny uplands if they voted Leave turns out to be an economic disaster?
On rolling the dice and getting double sixes vs snake eyes, well Brexit is neither. It is pre-emptive action to protect the nation from a future populist uprising that we've been seeing in the US. They are very lucky that Nige is ineligible to run for president over there, he would have absolutely walked it, and the problems in America don't go away when Trump loses.
All across the EU we're seeing populists in the ascendancy or rising. Fidesz won in Poland, Orban is dominant in Hungary, Bepe Grillo is probably going to be the next Italian PM, Le Pen is in with a shout in France, the FPO will probably win the rerun in Austria, AfD will comfortably be the largest non-governing party in the Bundestag. There are also more UKIP style parties in Northern Europe, PVV in the Netherlands, the True Finns are in the governing coalition, the Sweden Democrats are polling relatively well and will gain seats, possibly end up as the largest party.
So looking across the channel at the rebellion against the establishment, Brexit is a symptom of the larger disease of wealth and income inequality. It is at times like these that we must look after our own and get our own house in order or everything we've built will be swept away. I'd rather Brexit than deal with a very messy populist uprising in 10-15 years.
Well said Max.
Modern Britain has been fantastic at avoiding revolution. We're doing it again now.
OGH and premature posting....have we checked the markets?
I've already converted all my Sterling into Flanian Pobble Beads... (don't ask me how)
@rcs1000 In answer to your question of the other day, the two currencies that have depreciated more than Sterling since June 24 are: the Mozambican Metzical, and the Sierra Leonean Leone.
I haven't been to SL, but I think that Mozambique has had a bit of a raw deal. It is a lovely country and people.
If you use the full username in the comment, they'll get a notification that they were 'mentioned' in a thread. Useful if they aren't online at the time, and you want them to get the message.
On rolling the dice and getting double sixes vs snake eyes, well Brexit is neither. It is pre-emptive action to protect the nation from a future populist uprising that we've been seeing in the US. They are very lucky that Nige is ineligible to run for president over there, he would have absolutely walked it, and the problems in America don't go away when Trump loses.
All across the EU we're seeing populists in the ascendancy or rising. Fidesz won in Poland, Orban is dominant in Hungary, Bepe Grillo is probably going to be the next Italian PM, Le Pen is in with a shout in France, the FPO will probably win the rerun in Austria, AfD will comfortably be the largest non-governing party in the Bundestag. There are also more UKIP style parties in Northern Europe, PVV in the Netherlands, the True Finns are in the governing coalition, the Sweden Democrats are polling relatively well and will gain seats, possibly end up as the largest party.
So looking across the channel at the rebellion against the establishment, Brexit is a symptom of the larger disease of wealth and income inequality. It is at times like these that we must look after our own and get our own house in order or everything we've built will be swept away. I'd rather Brexit than deal with a very messy populist uprising in 10-15 years.
Except that Brexit does next to nothing to address the real concerns that you rightly highlight, and if the economy goes pear shaped the wealth/inequality is likely to become worse rather than better. All the other things that May spelled out as aspirations in her conference speech (as yet unsupported by any actual proposals as to how to achieve them) could have been done with or without Brexit.
Unless Clinton makes a horrendous mistake, its an open goal for her.
And if she makes a horrendous mistake, it's an open gaol for her.
Is being a bit casual, or even deliberately obscuring with emails a jailing offence?
At most barring from public office, I would have thought.
Wouldn't get her in jail, but I'm surprised no one has been put out to dry for destroying the emails after the subpoena from Congress.
How much down ticket Republican damage would there have to be for the Democrats to take the Senate? The HoR must surely be out of reach.
I cannot see much value on Trump, even on the current 5.7. I cannot see a viable way for him to win FOP. I think the value has mostly gone on the State markets too.
According to 538, there is a 58% chance that the Democrats will control the Senate (even if it by the casting vote of the VP)
I suspect that Trump won't destroy the Republicans in the Senate. First term Presidents can make hefty gains, like Reagan in 1980, Obama in 2008. But, second or third term big Presidential victories tend not to generate big Senate gains, eg Nixon 1972, Reagan 1984, Bush 1988, Clinton 1996.
But, Clinton doesn't need to win big to win the Senate. The Republicans are defending 24 out of 34. If the Democrats gain just 4, they take control.
"Polling day is four weeks tomorrow and there’s plenty of time for something else to happen", says Mike.
Well, yes, that is partially true, although something like a third of votes will be cast in early voting well before November 8th.
Even if that were not the case, though, the die seems to be, if not yet quite cast, at least solidifying rapidly. It's miles too late to bump Trump off the ticket. The pros and cons (mostly cons) of the two candidates have been clear for yonks. Senior Republicans are backing away as fast as they can. The polls are coming thick and fast, and they're mostly dire for Trump.
Sure, something might turn up. But, most likely, it won't.
On rolling the dice and getting double sixes vs snake eyes, well Brexit is neither. It is pre-emptive action to protect the nation from a future populist uprising that we've been seeing in the US. They are very lucky that Nige is ineligible to run for president over there, he would have absolutely walked it, and the problems in America don't go away when Trump loses.
All across the EU we're seeing populists in the ascendancy or rising. Fidesz won in Poland, Orban is dominant in Hungary, Bepe Grillo is probably going to be the next Italian PM, Le Pen is in with a shout in France, the FPO will probably win the rerun in Austria, AfD will comfortably be the largest non-governing party in the Bundestag. There are also more UKIP style parties in Northern Europe, PVV in the Netherlands, the True Finns are in the governing coalition, the Sweden Democrats are polling relatively well and will gain seats, possibly end up as the largest party.
So looking across the channel at the rebellion against the establishment, Brexit is a symptom of the larger disease of wealth and income inequality. It is at times like these that we must look after our own and get our own house in order or everything we've built will be swept away. I'd rather Brexit than deal with a very messy populist uprising in 10-15 years.
What of a populist uprising in five years time when the voters rise up against the Leavers who promised them economic sunny uplands if they voted Leave turns out to be an economic disaster?
I think that we will see a degree of sobriety returning to the electorate as they see the price of imported good outstretching their incomes, but the punch in the guts will be immigration figures running much the same as before.
Blue passports will of course be more than adequate compensation.
On rolling the dice and getting double sixes vs snake eyes, well Brexit is neither. It is pre-emptive action to protect the nation from a future populist uprising that we've been seeing in the US. They are very lucky that Nige is ineligible to run for president over there, he would have absolutely walked it, and the problems in America don't go away when Trump loses.
All across the EU we're seeing populists in the ascendancy or rising. Fidesz won in Poland, Orban is dominant in Hungary, Bepe Grillo is probably going to be the next Italian PM, Le Pen is in with a shout in France, the FPO will probably win the rerun in Austria, AfD will comfortably be the largest non-governing party in the Bundestag. There are also more UKIP style parties in Northern Europe, PVV in the Netherlands, the True Finns are in the governing coalition, the Sweden Democrats are polling relatively well and will gain seats, possibly end up as the largest party.
So looking across the channel at the rebellion against the establishment, Brexit is a symptom of the larger disease of wealth and income inequality. It is at times like these that we must look after our own and get our own house in order or everything we've built will be swept away. I'd rather Brexit than deal with a very messy populist uprising in 10-15 years.
What of a populist uprising in five years time when the voters rise up against the Leavers who promised them economic sunny uplands if they voted Leave turns out to be an economic disaster?
It will be far too early to judge.
And, of course, if people aren't happy after we Leave they can always campaign to Rejoin.
On rolling the dice and getting double sixes vs snake eyes, well Brexit is neither. It is pre-emptive action to protect the nation from a future populist uprising that we've been seeing in the US. They are very lucky that Nige is ineligible to run for president over there, he would have absolutely walked it, and the problems in America don't go away when Trump loses.
All across the EU we're seeing populists in the ascendancy or rising. Fidesz won in Poland, Orban is dominant in Hungary, Bepe Grillo is probably going to be the next Italian PM, Le Pen is in with a shout in France, the FPO will probably win the rerun in Austria, AfD will comfortably be the largest non-governing party in the Bundestag. There are also more UKIP style parties in Northern Europe, PVV in the Netherlands, the True Finns are in the governing coalition, the Sweden Democrats are polling relatively well and will gain seats, possibly end up as the largest party.
So looking across the channel at the rebellion against the establishment, Brexit is a symptom of the larger disease of wealth and income inequality. It is at times like these that we must look after our own and get our own house in order or everything we've built will be swept away. I'd rather Brexit than deal with a very messy populist uprising in 10-15 years.
What of a populist uprising in five years time when the voters rise up against the Leavers who promised them economic sunny uplands if they voted Leave turns out to be an economic disaster?
I think that we will see a degree of sobriety returning to the electorate as they see the price of imported good outstretching their incomes, but the punch in the guts will be immigration figures running much the same as before.
(1) There have been several examples within the past 12 months of where the political polling has been out by a considerable margin - Brexit / Spain / Austria
(2) Political polls seem to be particularly prone to be out when one view is particularly controversial / considered toxic - Brexit post-the Jo Cox murder / Austria again with Hofer / AfD in the state polls in Germany to a lesser degree (ps before anyone starts claiming with Brexit that the polls were "right all along", that is a revisionist argument by the polling companies to save themselves: they generally were not).
We know that Trump is considered toxic and also that he attracts a lot of bile. So, if we are assuming that the polls are right in this election, then that would mean that:
(1) US polling is of higher infinitely quality than that in Europe and / or; (2) That US voters are willing to state their views in a way that European voters are not
I definitely do not see much evidence of (1) and, given the US is probably more PC-led than Europe, I have considerable doubts about (2).
So, while Trump looks the underdog, it would be dangerous to place too much emphasis on the polls.
Finally, a point that was raised by Williamglenn earlier - what is interesting about the polls is that, in many cases, the two combined struggle to score above a combined percentage of 90% and that, generally, when Clinton's lead extends, it is more because Trump's score falls than HRC's rises. That may - but only may - be a sign of "Shy Trumpsters".
On rolling the dice and getting double sixes vs snake eyes, well Brexit is neither. It is pre-emptive action to protect the nation from a future populist uprising that we've been seeing in the US. They are very lucky that Nige is ineligible to run for president over there, he would have absolutely walked it, and the problems in America don't go away when Trump loses.
All across the EU we're seeing populists in the ascendancy or rising. Fidesz won in Poland, Orban is dominant in Hungary, Bepe Grillo is probably going to be the next Italian PM, Le Pen is in with a shout in France, the FPO will probably win the rerun in Austria, AfD will comfortably be the largest non-governing party in the Bundestag. There are also more UKIP style parties in Northern Europe, PVV in the Netherlands, the True Finns are in the governing coalition, the Sweden Democrats are polling relatively well and will gain seats, possibly end up as the largest party.
So looking across the channel at the rebellion against the establishment, Brexit is a symptom of the larger disease of wealth and income inequality. It is at times like these that we must look after our own and get our own house in order or everything we've built will be swept away. I'd rather Brexit than deal with a very messy populist uprising in 10-15 years.
What of a populist uprising in five years time when the voters rise up against the Leavers who promised them economic sunny uplands if they voted Leave turns out to be an economic disaster?
An economic disaster for you and I perhaps, it is our industry which is most at risk of being traded for migrant curbs. I'm not sure that someone earning the minimum wage working in Argos really gives a shit though. In fact that person will be earning £9/h in 2020, so should have seen a fairly large real terms pay increase. The short term issues we might have today are worth the long term stability that comes with making our democracy legitimate. Moving power one step closer to the people can only be a good thing, when it becomes too remote people become rebellious. With more decisions being made in Westminster we can hold our politicians to account in a way we've never been able to do with Brussels.
On rolling the dice and getting double sixes vs snake eyes, well Brexit is neither. It is pre-emptive action to protect the nation from a future populist uprising that we've been seeing in the US. They are very lucky that Nige is ineligible to run for president over there, he would have absolutely walked it, and the problems in America don't go away when Trump loses.
All across the EU we're seeing populists in the ascendancy or rising. Fidesz won in Poland, Orban is dominant in Hungary, Bepe Grillo is probably going to be the next Italian PM, Le Pen is in with a shout in France, the FPO will probably win the rerun in Austria, AfD will comfortably be the largest non-governing party in the Bundestag. There are also more UKIP style parties in Northern Europe, PVV in the Netherlands, the True Finns are in the governing coalition, the Sweden Democrats are polling relatively well and will gain seats, possibly end up as the largest party.
So looking across the channel at the rebellion against the establishment, Brexit is a symptom of the larger disease of wealth and income inequality. It is at times like these that we must look after our own and get our own house in order or everything we've built will be swept away. I'd rather Brexit than deal with a very messy populist uprising in 10-15 years.
What of a populist uprising in five years time when the voters rise up against the Leavers who promised them economic sunny uplands if they voted Leave turns out to be an economic disaster?
The likelihood is it will be neither an economic disaster, nor an economic boom.
A couple of points. The now Osborne-free Treasury are sticking with the pre-referendum analysis. While Brexit ministers complain about the assumptions made about the kind of deal we would get absent the SIngle Market, they haven't come up with alternative projections:
Moving power one step closer to the people can only be a good thing, when it becomes too remote people become rebellious. With more decisions being made in Westminster we can hold our politicians to account in a way we've never been able to do with Brussels.
You clearly missed the Brexit statement today, where it was made clear that Westminster has naff all say in what happens next.
It's one man, one vote. Tezza is the man, she has the one vote.
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The loss of inward investment is the real kicker during this period of uncertainty
My only bet on this is for Trump placed long before he got the republican nomination. Looked pretty good for a while but an all but certain loser now. And thank the lord for that.
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In Ambridge, Trump warns of voter fraud again - urges his supporters to "watch other communities."
At most barring from public office, I would have thought.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYh66_KweOg
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Clinton campaign lawyer says the Florida Federal Court has extended voter registration to Wednesday at 5p due to Hurricane Matthew.
No idea what 5p means tho.
The chances of the polls being wrong must be rather greater than usual because of the novel coalition that Donald Trump has put together. But ultimately I trust the Republican party establishment's judgement on this.
Is it those sneaky buggers from Waterley Cross again?
I cannot see much value on Trump, even on the current 5.7. I cannot see a viable way for him to win FOP. I think the value has mostly gone on the State markets too.
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/151552548531/why-i-endorse-gary-johnson-this-week
I absolutely smell an Osborne. Those who campaigned to Remain are now campaigning just as hard for the single market as a proxy.
http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37603685
'Acid-washed emails'
Claim: Donald Trump claims Hillary Clinton "acid washed" 33,000 personal emails to delete them, something he said was an "expensive process".
Reality Check verdict: A claim that has been debunked before. The FBI said Clinton's team used a free software programme called BleachBit. No chemicals were used. When he first made this claim, Trump's campaign said that he did not literally mean "acid washed", adding that it was a play on words and reference to a joke made by Clinton about "wiping" her email server with a cloth. BleachBit debunked Trump's claim on its website saying the software is not "very expensive," adding that it is completely free of charge.
No chemicals were used... you have to laugh
Right now I suggest that the key question is not remain v leave, or hard v soft Brexit.
The most relevant Q is whether we think the government now has at least the outline of an agreed strategy and common approach in place, with the key players more or less on the same page, and is simply doing its best to protect our negotiating position by endeavouring to keep the decisions behind closed doors. And, further, that much of the comment and consequential analysis that is being made might well be clever conditioning in advance of A50 and the formal discussions.
Or, on the other hand, whether we think that the government is still basically clueless and playing things by ear, that the key players have their own agendas with May struggling to keep them in line, that there is a tussle going on mainly inside the Tory party between hard and soft, and a certain amount of fear of those outside the party backing each position (basically UKIP on the one hand and big business on the other).
Whilst the debate here indicates that most remainers lean toward the more pessimistic second view and most leavers towards the optimistic former, it is of course perfectly possible to be a leaver who doesn't think the government is handling it well or has yet got its act together, or a Remainer who believes that May mostly knows what she is doing.
Personally I would have expected to see a bit more common purpose from the top Tories before I bought into the first view. Unfortunately egos are often problematic in politics and the very long-lasting nature of the divisions within the Conservatives together with the suddenness with which we found ourselves in uncharted waters, coupled with experience that clued up politicians with agreed strategies are relatively uncommon, suggests to me that the government probably has a lot more work still to do before we get to March and A50. Plus there are lots of loose ends (Scotland, N Ireland and the border, Gibralter, the legal cases, etc.) still unresolved.
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/senate/?ex_cid=2016-forecast
The leader says something awful and the rest of the party disown him.
Democrats and indies who vote Clinton wont split the ticket like that if you support Trump.
If you denounce Trump, you may get a split ticket vote, but you will get a good portion of crazy trumpers voting against you. Even if u survive, you might get primaried for next time.
So, your kinda screwedd either way
'Theresa May will have the debates in 2020, she should do everything in her power to ensure Jeremy Corbyn is seen by the wider public, remember the vast majority of the public don't pay attention to politics apart from at a general election'
In answer to your question of the other day, the two currencies that have depreciated more than Sterling since June 24 are: the Mozambican Metzical, and the Sierra Leonean Leone.
I haven't been to SL, but I think that Mozambique has had a bit of a raw deal. It is a lovely country and people.
On rolling the dice and getting double sixes vs snake eyes, well Brexit is neither. It is pre-emptive action to protect the nation from a future populist uprising that we've been seeing in the US. They are very lucky that Nige is ineligible to run for president over there, he would have absolutely walked it, and the problems in America don't go away when Trump loses.
All across the EU we're seeing populists in the ascendancy or rising. Fidesz won in Poland, Orban is dominant in Hungary, Bepe Grillo is probably going to be the next Italian PM, Le Pen is in with a shout in France, the FPO will probably win the rerun in Austria, AfD will comfortably be the largest non-governing party in the Bundestag. There are also more UKIP style parties in Northern Europe, PVV in the Netherlands, the True Finns are in the governing coalition, the Sweden Democrats are polling relatively well and will gain seats, possibly end up as the largest party.
So looking across the channel at the rebellion against the establishment, Brexit is a symptom of the larger disease of wealth and income inequality. It is at times like these that we must look after our own and get our own house in order or everything we've built will be swept away. I'd rather Brexit than deal with a very messy populist uprising in 10-15 years.
Modern Britain has been fantastic at avoiding revolution. We're doing it again now.
But, Clinton doesn't need to win big to win the Senate. The Republicans are defending 24 out of 34. If the Democrats gain just 4, they take control.
Well, yes, that is partially true, although something like a third of votes will be cast in early voting well before November 8th.
Even if that were not the case, though, the die seems to be, if not yet quite cast, at least solidifying rapidly. It's miles too late to bump Trump off the ticket. The pros and cons (mostly cons) of the two candidates have been clear for yonks. Senior Republicans are backing away as fast as they can. The polls are coming thick and fast, and they're mostly dire for Trump.
Sure, something might turn up. But, most likely, it won't.
a/ Some of those on the Leave side now downplaying importance of immigration are in danger of self-delusion
b/ The immigration of past 15 yrs/TV pics of refugee crisis was a necessary condition for Vote Leave to win but it was not sufficient
c/ Idea that there was a majority for Leave based just on desire for democratic self-government is, unfortunately, a romantic delusion
Blue passports will of course be more than adequate compensation.
And, of course, if people aren't happy after we Leave they can always campaign to Rejoin.
Well, duh...
(1) There have been several examples within the past 12 months of where the political polling has been out by a considerable margin - Brexit / Spain / Austria
(2) Political polls seem to be particularly prone to be out when one view is particularly controversial / considered toxic - Brexit post-the Jo Cox murder / Austria again with Hofer / AfD in the state polls in Germany to a lesser degree (ps before anyone starts claiming with Brexit that the polls were "right all along", that is a revisionist argument by the polling companies to save themselves: they generally were not).
We know that Trump is considered toxic and also that he attracts a lot of bile. So, if we are assuming that the polls are right in this election, then that would mean that:
(1) US polling is of higher infinitely quality than that in Europe and / or;
(2) That US voters are willing to state their views in a way that European voters are not
I definitely do not see much evidence of (1) and, given the US is probably more PC-led than Europe, I have considerable doubts about (2).
So, while Trump looks the underdog, it would be dangerous to place too much emphasis on the polls.
Finally, a point that was raised by Williamglenn earlier - what is interesting about the polls is that, in many cases, the two combined struggle to score above a combined percentage of 90% and that, generally, when Clinton's lead extends, it is more because Trump's score falls than HRC's rises. That may - but only may - be a sign of "Shy Trumpsters".
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/785596818054840320
My last major trade was balancing my book against Donald @ ~3.1 a few minutes into the first debate right as he was stumbling over his tax returns.
Currently;
+27 Clinton
+75 Kaine
+-0 Donald & everyone else who can be laid
+150 Anyone else.
I could green out for +22.5, but I think Clinton is still value @ 1.24 so I'm not going to.
A bit of tarring and feathering is long overdue.
It's one man, one vote. Tezza is the man, she has the one vote.