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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Scott_P said:

    Yes there was. They called the referendum.

    Non sequitur much?

    Asking people to vote places no obligation on the party campaigning for one side to plan what those on the other side will implement.

    Not even Trump is stupid enough to claim that...
    No, not at all. When was the last 5ime a government called a referendum without a plan for a "change" vote?
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    viewcode said:

    Leave won. It has agency. Why is it blaming powerless Remainians for anything?

    Cos they can't blame the EU any more. The Brexiteers need other scapegoats for their failure.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Sean_F said:

    RobD said:

    Except the Civil Service do meet with opposition leaders/shadow cabinet ministers before the election for discussions.

    Yes, but normally the opposition has a set of planned policies which they put into a manifesto. In the referendum the Leave side had - deliberately, one assumes - failed to specify what alternative to the EU they were aiming for. That debate has now started, but it beggars belief that anyone can have the temerity to blame the previous government for not making detailed plans for a political scenario which the Leave side adamantly refused to lay out.
    Usually, a referendum is called by a government, which sets out a detailed proposal for the people to endorse - or reject.

    That could not apply in this case.
    It could have, but Cameron prevented it.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    No, not at all. When was the last 5ime a government called a referendum without a plan for a "change" vote?

    June

    But before that, are you claiming the Government had detailed plans to implement AV?

    Give it a rest...
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    It could have

    If that were true (it's not) the Brexiteers would be able to tell us what that plan would have looked like.

    They can't.

    It's not true.

    Another Brexit fantasy.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985
    Scott_P said:

    No, not at all. When was the last 5ime a government called a referendum without a plan for a "change" vote?

    June

    But before that, are you claiming the Government had detailed plans to implement AV?

    Give it a rest...
    Luckily that is quite easy, and probably doesn't need to plan for it.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    viewcode said:

    He has a very valid point: if the losers hadn't kept fighting the battle they had already lost and had advocated an EEA-type solution, there would have been a majority for it.

    Remind me again. If we assume that the current government is a LEAVE government (and given that we are executing Order 66 - :) - then it's a defensible proposition) then what exactly is stopping the current government from going EEA/EFTA?

    Leave won. It has agency. Why is it blaming powerless Remainians for anything?

    Your assumption is invalid. The Leave campaign does not now form the government. It therefore has no agency to do anything.

    The top two and three out of the top four people in the current government were Remainers...
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,899

    ...before anyone starts claiming with Brexit that the polls were "right all along", that is a revisionist argument by the polling companies to save themselves: they generally were not...

    I've been thru them. The Brexit phone polls were out but the online polls were pretty close and TNS-BRMB (as was) was pretty much bang on.

    Weirdly, I've met Joel Williams and I forgot to tell him... :(
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Scott_P said:

    You do understand what I mean by a two question ballot paper, don't you?

    I thought it was pretty clear but you don't seem to be grasping it.

    I understand it perfectly, and there is no 2 option ballot paper that would produce a result that anyone is happier with than we have now.

    Each of the 3 options is singularly more popular than the other 2.

    Read the link.
    A two question ballot paper would have broken the cycle. That's the point of it. You just take two decisions on one day.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    The Leave campaign does not now form the government.

    Somebody should tell the Brexiteers that!

    They are all over the airwaves claiming a mandate for Leave campaign proposals
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Scott_P said:

    No, not at all. When was the last 5ime a government called a referendum without a plan for a "change" vote?

    June

    But before that, are you claiming the Government had detailed plans to implement AV?

    Give it a rest...
    Yes, absolutely. Are you claiming that they didn't?
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    A two question ballot paper would have broken the cycle. That's the point of it. You just take two decisions on one day.

    No, because the outcome is determined entirely by the order of the questions (it being cyclical)

    If three ballot papers were printed with the questions on 3 different orders, they would have produced 3 different results.

    No single paper would therefore have satisfied those who wanted the other 2 options
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,899

    viewcode said:

    He has a very valid point: if the losers hadn't kept fighting the battle they had already lost and had advocated an EEA-type solution, there would have been a majority for it.

    Remind me again. If we assume that the current government is a LEAVE government (and given that we are executing Order 66 - :) - then it's a defensible proposition) then what exactly is stopping the current government from going EEA/EFTA?

    Leave won. It has agency. Why is it blaming powerless Remainians for anything?

    Your assumption is invalid. The Leave campaign does not now form the government. It therefore has no agency to do anything.

    The top two and three out of the top four people in the current government were Remainers...
    Are David Davis, Liam Fox and (gawdelpus) Boris Johnson not in Government? I assume they are LEAVErs, yes?
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited October 2016
    Scott_P said:

    The Leave campaign does not now form the government.

    Somebody should tell the Brexiteers that!

    They are all over the airwaves claiming a mandate for Leave campaign proposals
    They were deliberately vague about what Leave meant, taking the line that "that would be decided afterwards" but now want to deny parliament a say.

    In reality it is not our choice. We cannot impose a deal on the EU, if they don't want to play ball or cannot come to a decision (quite likely in my view) then It is Hard Brexit by default.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Scott_P said:

    The Leave campaign does not now form the government.

    Somebody should tell the Brexiteers that!

    They are all over the airwaves claiming a mandate for Leave campaign proposals
    Well that's obviously a nonsense. The only mandate is to Leave the political structures of the EU. As long as that is achieved, the democratic process has been respected.
    A two question ballot paper would have given a democratic endorsement of a way forward, but Cameron didn't trust us with that. He probably thought it would make it more likely that Leave would win question 1.

    And on that note, I'm off to bed.
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Loving it - another thread of remain moaning.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Scott_P said:

    A two question ballot paper would have broken the cycle. That's the point of it. You just take two decisions on one day.

    No, because the outcome is determined entirely by the order of the questions (it being cyclical)

    If three ballot papers were printed with the questions on 3 different orders, they would have produced 3 different results.

    No single paper would therefore have satisfied those who wanted the other 2 options
    But the three options aren't equivalent. One was officially the status quo.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    He has a very valid point: if the losers hadn't kept fighting the battle they had already lost and had advocated an EEA-type solution, there would have been a majority for it.

    Remind me again. If we assume that the current government is a LEAVE government (and given that we are executing Order 66 - :) - then it's a defensible proposition) then what exactly is stopping the current government from going EEA/EFTA?

    Leave won. It has agency. Why is it blaming powerless Remainians for anything?

    Your assumption is invalid. The Leave campaign does not now form the government. It therefore has no agency to do anything.

    The top two and three out of the top four people in the current government were Remainers...
    Are David Davis, Liam Fox and (gawdelpus) Boris Johnson not in Government? I assume they are LEAVErs, yes?
    Only one of those is in the top four of government.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    Scott_P said:

    The Leave campaign does not now form the government.

    Somebody should tell the Brexiteers that!

    They are all over the airwaves claiming a mandate for Leave campaign proposals
    They were deliberately vague about what Leave meant, taking the line that "that would be decided afterwards" but now want to deny parliament a say.

    In reality it is not our choice. We cannot impose a deal on the EU, if they don't want to play ball or cannot come to a decision (quite likely in my view) then It is Hard Brexit by default.
    They want to stop parliament tying the negotiators' hands behind their back before they start the negotiations. Of course Parliament should have a say on the deal the government makes.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    And now I'm definitely going to bed.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,855
    Scott_P said:

    The Leave campaign does not now form the government.

    Somebody should tell the Brexiteers that!

    They are all over the airwaves claiming a mandate for Leave campaign proposals
    Well, it's a matter for Theresa May. She seems to be very enthusiastic for Brexit
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,899

    viewcode said:

    He has a very valid point: if the losers hadn't kept fighting the battle they had already lost and had advocated an EEA-type solution, there would have been a majority for it.

    Remind me again. If we assume that the current government is a LEAVE government (and given that we are executing Order 66 - :) - then it's a defensible proposition) then what exactly is stopping the current government from going EEA/EFTA?

    Leave won. It has agency. Why is it blaming powerless Remainians for anything?

    Your assumption is invalid. The Leave campaign does not now form the government. It therefore has no agency to do anything.

    The top two and three out of the top four people in the current government were Remainers...
    Actually, let's turn this around for a moment. Let's assume that the current government is staffed full of stealth Remainians and Life Model Decoys of Johnson/Fox/Davis whilst their originals are sequestered in the orbiting spacecraft...

    ...then what's stopping them going EEA/EFTA?
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,845
    Will PB still be arguing about Brexit in 2076?
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,101

    The top two and three out of the top four people in the current government were Remainers...

    May and Hammond had clearly made more plans for a Leave win than the people actually campaigning for Leave. This is not a good advert for the competence of the Leavers.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985
    GIN1138 said:

    Will PB still be arguing about Brexit in 2076?

    Back to AV by then, I hope.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    One was officially the status quo.

    No, it wasn't.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,899
    Here's a supposition. I'm putting it here because I suspect I'll need it later.

    All the high-level Leaver ideologues: Hannan: Fraser Nelson, Matt Ridley, BoJo have spent most of their working lives writing articles, speaking to audiences, and blaming Remainians/EU for everything. And now at the moment of their greatest triumph, they stride into the halls of power, stand at the banked microphones and...open their laptops, write articles, speak to audiences, and blame Remainians/EU for everything.

    Am I correct on thinking that, in the final analysis, that this is all they can actually do? That they've become overspecialised and can't actually do anything else?
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited October 2016
    I almost forgot to post my weekly update of my average tracking poll.

    Hillary 47 +0.5
    Trump 42 -1.5

    Hillary hit her highest since August 8th, though she is still hitting that 47% ceiling that she is since Sept. 26th.
    Trump hit his lowest since August 24th, Trump has been dropping everyday since Oct.1st.

    Since the first update.

    Hillary 47 46.5 46.5 45.5 44.5 45 46 46.5 47 47 45
    Trump 42 43.5 43 44 43.5 42 42 41 40.5 41 43

    I guess barring a catastrophe for Hillary she is going to get 47%.
    Trump is a like a roller-coaster.

    Goodnight.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,101
    viewcode said:

    Am I correct on thinking that, in the final analysis, that this is all they can actually do? That they've become overspecialised and can't actually do anything else?

    Hannan's gaffe on Chile is pretty egregious. You'd think the great advocate of free trade would know this stuff. He's been paid a big salary for years precisely to scrutinise it.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,899

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    He has a very valid point: if the losers hadn't kept fighting the battle they had already lost and had advocated an EEA-type solution, there would have been a majority for it.

    Remind me again. If we assume that the current government is a LEAVE government (and given that we are executing Order 66 - :) - then it's a defensible proposition) then what exactly is stopping the current government from going EEA/EFTA?

    Leave won. It has agency. Why is it blaming powerless Remainians for anything?

    Your assumption is invalid. The Leave campaign does not now form the government. It therefore has no agency to do anything.

    The top two and three out of the top four people in the current government were Remainers...
    Are David Davis, Liam Fox and (gawdelpus) Boris Johnson not in Government? I assume they are LEAVErs, yes?
    Only one of those is in the top four of government.
    Well that's all right then. A government that's exiting the EU, has appointed LEAVErs to actually do the exiting and negotiate trade deals outside the EU, and has appointed the LEAVE campaign's car Garfield as Foreign Secretary, is not actually a LEAVE government. Glad we sorted that out.
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    edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,151

    Sean_F said:

    RobD said:

    Except the Civil Service do meet with opposition leaders/shadow cabinet ministers before the election for discussions.

    Yes, but normally the opposition has a set of planned policies which they put into a manifesto. In the referendum the Leave side had - deliberately, one assumes - failed to specify what alternative to the EU they were aiming for. That debate has now started, but it beggars belief that anyone can have the temerity to blame the previous government for not making detailed plans for a political scenario which the Leave side adamantly refused to lay out.
    Usually, a referendum is called by a government, which sets out a detailed proposal for the people to endorse - or reject.

    That could not apply in this case.
    It could have, but Cameron prevented it.
    He could have made a plan that he thought would be the best realistic Brexit plan, but the Leave campaign would obviously have disowned it and said it was a trick to make Brexit look bad.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Speedy said:

    AndyJS said:

    New poll from CBS putting Clinton 14 points ahead nationally.

    Actually it's CBS reporting the NBC poll.
    Bill Mitchell
    New NBC/WSJ poll uses a 447 LV D+8 sample where Obama beat Romney by 13.

    If Hillary is winning, WHY do they need these insane bias samples?
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,899

    Loving it - another thread of remain moaning.

    Passes the time.
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    dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    viewcode said:


    All the high-level Leaver ideologues: Hannan: Fraser Nelson, Matt Ridley, BoJo have spent most of their working lives writing articles, speaking to audiences, and blaming Remainians/EU for everything.

    BoJo has only been a leaver for about a year?
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    dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    PlatoSaid said:

    Speedy said:

    AndyJS said:

    New poll from CBS putting Clinton 14 points ahead nationally.

    Actually it's CBS reporting the NBC poll.
    Bill Mitchell
    New NBC/WSJ poll uses a 447 LV D+8 sample where Obama beat Romney by 13.

    If Hillary is winning, WHY do they need these insane bias samples?
    To counteract Fox?
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    These Google polls are a good laugh. LOL. How are they graded a B?
    http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/updates/
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    viewcode said:

    Loving it - another thread of remain moaning.

    Passes the time.
    LEAVE 52%
    REMAIN 48%

    :innocent:
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    IanB2 said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    Incidentally, I thought the sense-of-humour-failure amongst a string of Leavers on the last thread was very telling indeed.

    I don't find it rib-tickingly funny to be described as "nihilistic cunts" but everyone's sense of humour is different.
    I found it greatly amusing, who knew Leavers were such delicate flowers.

    I'm sure all those PBers offended by Tyson's comments were similarly outraged on the many occasions when SeanT calls remainers 'Traitorous c*nts'
    I'm sure you did find it amusing. But, I think you're also realising that you have little in common now with people on the right of the political spectrum, and much more in common with Tyson et al.
    I really don't.
    Come over to the Dark Side, we have cookies...
    The trouble with TSE is that he is too sensible to see that his own side don't want him any more...
    Easiest way to troll TSE is to call him a TINO (Tory In Name Only)

    :innocent:
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,899

    viewcode said:

    Loving it - another thread of remain moaning.

    Passes the time.
    LEAVE 52%
    REMAIN 48%

    :innocent:
    2015/05/07: £1=$1.52
    2016/10/10: £1=$1.23

    :innocent
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    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Loving it - another thread of remain moaning.

    Passes the time.
    LEAVE 52%
    REMAIN 48%

    :innocent:
    2015/05/07: £1=$1.52
    2016/10/10: £1=$1.23

    :innocent
    LEAVE 17,410,742
    REMAIN 16,141,241

    :lol:
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    dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Loving it - another thread of remain moaning.

    Passes the time.
    LEAVE 52%
    REMAIN 48%

    :innocent:
    2015/05/07: £1=$1.52
    2016/10/10: £1=$1.23

    :innocent
    LEAVE 17,410,742
    REMAIN 16,141,241

    :lol:
    do you prefer your brexit hard or soft, Sunil?
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    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Loving it - another thread of remain moaning.

    Passes the time.
    LEAVE 52%
    REMAIN 48%

    :innocent:
    2015/05/07: £1=$1.52
    2016/10/10: £1=$1.23

    :innocent
    LEAVE 17,410,742
    REMAIN 16,141,241

    :lol:
    do you prefer your brexit hard or soft, Sunil?
    PROPER Brexit for PROPER People!

    :sunglasses:
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    dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Loving it - another thread of remain moaning.

    Passes the time.
    LEAVE 52%
    REMAIN 48%

    :innocent:
    2015/05/07: £1=$1.52
    2016/10/10: £1=$1.23

    :innocent
    LEAVE 17,410,742
    REMAIN 16,141,241

    :lol:
    do you prefer your brexit hard or soft, Sunil?
    PROPER Brexit for PROPER People!

    :sunglasses:
    You'd like a wall too? :)

    (I don't mind where you put it. The route of Offa's dyke?)
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    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Loving it - another thread of remain moaning.

    Passes the time.
    LEAVE 52%
    REMAIN 48%

    :innocent:
    2015/05/07: £1=$1.52
    2016/10/10: £1=$1.23

    :innocent
    LEAVE 17,410,742
    REMAIN 16,141,241

    :lol:
    do you prefer your brexit hard or soft, Sunil?
    PROPER Brexit for PROPER People!

    :sunglasses:
    You'd like a wall too? :)

    (I don't mind where you put it. The route of Offa's dyke?)
    No, Wales voted for Brexit too!
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    dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Loving it - another thread of remain moaning.

    Passes the time.
    LEAVE 52%
    REMAIN 48%

    :innocent:
    2015/05/07: £1=$1.52
    2016/10/10: £1=$1.23

    :innocent
    LEAVE 17,410,742
    REMAIN 16,141,241

    :lol:
    do you prefer your brexit hard or soft, Sunil?
    PROPER Brexit for PROPER People!

    :sunglasses:
    You'd like a wall too? :)

    (I don't mind where you put it. The route of Offa's dyke?)
    No, Wales voted for Brexit too!
    build it round London then :)
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    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Loving it - another thread of remain moaning.

    Passes the time.
    LEAVE 52%
    REMAIN 48%

    :innocent:
    2015/05/07: £1=$1.52
    2016/10/10: £1=$1.23

    :innocent
    LEAVE 17,410,742
    REMAIN 16,141,241

    :lol:
    do you prefer your brexit hard or soft, Sunil?
    PROPER Brexit for PROPER People!

    :sunglasses:
    You'd like a wall too? :)

    (I don't mind where you put it. The route of Offa's dyke?)
    No, Wales voted for Brexit too!
    build it round London then :)
    5 London Boroughs voted for Brexit :p
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    dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Loving it - another thread of remain moaning.

    Passes the time.
    LEAVE 52%
    REMAIN 48%

    :innocent:
    2015/05/07: £1=$1.52
    2016/10/10: £1=$1.23

    :innocent
    LEAVE 17,410,742
    REMAIN 16,141,241

    :lol:
    do you prefer your brexit hard or soft, Sunil?
    PROPER Brexit for PROPER People!

    :sunglasses:
    You'd like a wall too? :)

    (I don't mind where you put it. The route of Offa's dyke?)
    No, Wales voted for Brexit too!
    build it round London then :)
    5 London Boroughs voted for Brexit :p
    they can have a tunnel
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    edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,151

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Loving it - another thread of remain moaning.

    Passes the time.
    LEAVE 52%
    REMAIN 48%

    :innocent:
    2015/05/07: £1=$1.52
    2016/10/10: £1=$1.23

    :innocent
    LEAVE 17,410,742
    REMAIN 16,141,241

    :lol:
    do you prefer your brexit hard or soft, Sunil?
    PROPER Brexit for PROPER People!

    :sunglasses:
    You'd like a wall too? :)

    (I don't mind where you put it. The route of Offa's dyke?)
    No, Wales voted for Brexit too!
    build it round London then :)
    5 London Boroughs voted for Brexit :p
    they can have a tunnel
    They're all around the edges, so if they vote to Remain in the UK that'll work out fine.

    It's probably better if the UK keeps Heathrow anyhow, but if it also has a border with London that's ideal because you can give it 2 sets of customs.
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    dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Loving it - another thread of remain moaning.

    Passes the time.
    LEAVE 52%
    REMAIN 48%

    :innocent:
    2015/05/07: £1=$1.52
    2016/10/10: £1=$1.23

    :innocent
    LEAVE 17,410,742
    REMAIN 16,141,241

    :lol:
    do you prefer your brexit hard or soft, Sunil?
    PROPER Brexit for PROPER People!

    :sunglasses:
    You'd like a wall too? :)

    (I don't mind where you put it. The route of Offa's dyke?)
    No, Wales voted for Brexit too!
    build it round London then :)
    5 London Boroughs voted for Brexit :p
    they can have a tunnel
    They're all around the edges, so if they vote to Remain in the UK that'll work out fine.

    It's probably better if the UK keeps Heathrow anyhow, but if it also has a border with London that's ideal because you can give it 2 sets of customs.
    they won't need heathrow, because the underground maglev connecting to paris, scotland and dublin will provide fine airport facilities :)

    (did birmingham vote for remain?)
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    edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,151
    edited October 2016

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Loving it - another thread of remain moaning.

    Passes the time.
    LEAVE 52%
    REMAIN 48%

    :innocent:
    2015/05/07: £1=$1.52
    2016/10/10: £1=$1.23

    :innocent
    LEAVE 17,410,742
    REMAIN 16,141,241

    :lol:
    do you prefer your brexit hard or soft, Sunil?
    PROPER Brexit for PROPER People!

    :sunglasses:
    You'd like a wall too? :)

    (I don't mind where you put it. The route of Offa's dyke?)
    No, Wales voted for Brexit too!
    build it round London then :)
    5 London Boroughs voted for Brexit :p
    they can have a tunnel
    They're all around the edges, so if they vote to Remain in the UK that'll work out fine.

    It's probably better if the UK keeps Heathrow anyhow, but if it also has a border with London that's ideal because you can give it 2 sets of customs.
    they won't need heathrow, because the underground maglev connecting to paris, scotland and dublin will provide fine airport facilities :)

    (did birmingham vote for remain?)
    With adequate security they should be able to run a high-speed train line overground through the districts.

    http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/thehungergames/images/8/8e/Dist11station.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1040
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Ooh - Dan was a Romney guy

    Mike Cernovich
    .@dansenor Writing about #BillyBush tapes, hearing your wife (ex NBC) got a hold of tapes and you pushed the story for your boss. Comment?
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    dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Loving it - another thread of remain moaning.

    Passes the time.
    LEAVE 52%
    REMAIN 48%

    :innocent:
    2015/05/07: £1=$1.52
    2016/10/10: £1=$1.23

    :innocent
    LEAVE 17,410,742
    REMAIN 16,141,241

    :lol:
    do you prefer your brexit hard or soft, Sunil?
    PROPER Brexit for PROPER People!

    :sunglasses:
    You'd like a wall too? :)

    (I don't mind where you put it. The route of Offa's dyke?)
    No, Wales voted for Brexit too!
    build it round London then :)
    5 London Boroughs voted for Brexit :p
    they can have a tunnel
    They're all around the edges, so if they vote to Remain in the UK that'll work out fine.

    It's probably better if the UK keeps Heathrow anyhow, but if it also has a border with London that's ideal because you can give it 2 sets of customs.
    they won't need heathrow, because the underground maglev connecting to paris, scotland and dublin will provide fine airport facilities :)

    (did birmingham vote for remain?)
    With adequate security they should be able to run a high-speed train line overground through the districts.

    http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/thehungergames/images/8/8e/Dist11station.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1040
    I've never watch that, maybe should try it. Cinema out in the 田舎 all too often dubbed, so I don't often go. considering netflix
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    dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    PlatoSaid said:

    Ooh - Dan was a Romney guy

    Mike Cernovich
    .@dansenor Writing about #BillyBush tapes, hearing your wife (ex NBC) got a hold of tapes and you pushed the story for your boss. Comment?

    Those republicans are just one big, happy family, eh?
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    edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,151
    edited October 2016

    PlatoSaid said:

    Ooh - Dan was a Romney guy

    Mike Cernovich
    .@dansenor Writing about #BillyBush tapes, hearing your wife (ex NBC) got a hold of tapes and you pushed the story for your boss. Comment?

    Those republicans are just one big, happy family, eh?
    See the OperationPurgeCucks hashtag for more happy familyness.
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    dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/davos/12108569/World-faces-wave-of-epic-debt-defaults-fears-central-bank-veteran.html

    "Every major country is engaged in currency wars even though they insist that QE has nothing to do with competitive depreciation. They have all been playing the game except for China - so far - and it is a zero-sum game. China could really up the ante."

    If the game is competitive devaulation, brexit must have been a masterstroke...

    (I know this is AEP, but at least he is quoting someone else this time)
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    dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596

    PlatoSaid said:

    Ooh - Dan was a Romney guy

    Mike Cernovich
    .@dansenor Writing about #BillyBush tapes, hearing your wife (ex NBC) got a hold of tapes and you pushed the story for your boss. Comment?

    Those republicans are just one big, happy family, eh?
    See the OperationPurgeCucks hashtag for more happy familyness.
    What is a "cuck" by the way? I am afraid to google it
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    dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596

    PlatoSaid said:

    Ooh - Dan was a Romney guy

    Mike Cernovich
    .@dansenor Writing about #BillyBush tapes, hearing your wife (ex NBC) got a hold of tapes and you pushed the story for your boss. Comment?

    Those republicans are just one big, happy family, eh?
    See the OperationPurgeCucks hashtag for more happy familyness.
    Wow. "Paul Ryan looks like a muslim" (and many more...)
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    edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,151
    edited October 2016
    In particular note that Trump can't lose, he can only be sabotaged, so if Trump appears to be losing on election day, that's proof of sabotage, and Trump enthusiasts spoil their down-ticket ballots.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,054
    edited October 2016

    PlatoSaid said:

    Ooh - Dan was a Romney guy

    Mike Cernovich
    .@dansenor Writing about #BillyBush tapes, hearing your wife (ex NBC) got a hold of tapes and you pushed the story for your boss. Comment?

    Those republicans are just one big, happy family, eh?
    See the OperationPurgeCucks hashtag for more happy familyness.
    What is a "cuck" by the way? I am afraid to google it
    Short for cuckold, apparently.

    The definition on UD is ... odd
    Another name for the great "Onision" leader of the cuckolds. In the cuck fashion, Onision is a liberal feminazi vegetarian only he has millions of followers from all around the world. All bow before the cuck king, Onision, lots of the cuckold empire.
    "There goes lord Onision again, being the biggest cuck in the history of cucks."
    Thank you kind warrior, cuckold of Onision!
    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cuck

    Edit: Onision is, as far as I can tell, is a US Youtuber.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    ttps://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/785625135126421505

    I watched his Periscopes during the night too - he gets about 2-3k viewers time and was talking with other 'dissidents' today. Lots of well known names for those interested in it.

    And my line is hopping mad with Ryan in particular - Dan Senor has issued a non denial 'a ludicrous suggestion'. So that's a Yes then.

    McCain is right in the cross hairs along with bigwigs in Utah - the local GOP team are backing Trump regardless.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419

    In particular note that Trump can't lose, he can only be sabotaged, so if Trump appears to be losing on election day, that's proof of sabotage, and Trump enthusiasts spoil their down-ticket ballots.
    They really have let loose a monster haven't they?
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    edited October 2016

    PlatoSaid said:

    Ooh - Dan was a Romney guy

    Mike Cernovich
    .@dansenor Writing about #BillyBush tapes, hearing your wife (ex NBC) got a hold of tapes and you pushed the story for your boss. Comment?

    Those republicans are just one big, happy family, eh?
    See the OperationPurgeCucks hashtag for more happy familyness.
    What is a "cuck" by the way? I am afraid to google it
    Short for cuckold, apparently.

    The definition on UD is ... odd
    Another name for the great "Onision" leader of the cuckolds. In the cuck fashion, Onision is a liberal feminazi vegetarian only he has millions of followers from all around the world. All bow before the cuck king, Onision, lots of the cuckold empire.
    "There goes lord Onision again, being the biggest cuck in the history of cucks."
    Thank you kind warrior, cuckold of Onision!


    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cuck

    Edit: Onision is, as far as I can tell, is a US Youtuber.
    Generally it seems to be shorthand for RINOs, GOP Establishment and turncoats especially NeverTrumpers
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    In particular note that Trump can't lose, he can only be sabotaged, so if Trump appears to be losing on election day, that's proof of sabotage, and Trump enthusiasts spoil their down-ticket ballots.
    They really have let loose a monster haven't they?
    Trump's PA rally was extraordinary, venue full to capacity and thousands in overflow - queued for up to six hours to get in. The press pack were loudly booed as they came in, Trump kept getting the audience to turn round and heckle them. Chanting of FCUK CNN and Jail Her!!
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    dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    PlatoSaid said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Ooh - Dan was a Romney guy

    Mike Cernovich
    .@dansenor Writing about #BillyBush tapes, hearing your wife (ex NBC) got a hold of tapes and you pushed the story for your boss. Comment?

    Those republicans are just one big, happy family, eh?
    See the OperationPurgeCucks hashtag for more happy familyness.
    What is a "cuck" by the way? I am afraid to google it
    Short for cuckold, apparently.

    The definition on UD is ... odd
    Another name for the great "Onision" leader of the cuckolds. In the cuck fashion, Onision is a liberal feminazi vegetarian only he has millions of followers from all around the world. All bow before the cuck king, Onision, lots of the cuckold empire.
    "There goes lord Onision again, being the biggest cuck in the history of cucks."
    Thank you kind warrior, cuckold of Onision!


    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cuck

    Edit: Onision is, as far as I can tell, is a US Youtuber.
    Generally it seems to be shorthand for RINOs, GOP Establishment and turncoats especially NeverTrumpers
    Fascinating all this new langauge!

    I suppose RINO is Republican in Name Only? which seems to apply mainly to these lot threatening not to vote for republicans, only Trump..

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    dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    PlatoSaid said:

    In particular note that Trump can't lose, he can only be sabotaged, so if Trump appears to be losing on election day, that's proof of sabotage, and Trump enthusiasts spoil their down-ticket ballots.
    They really have let loose a monster haven't they?
    Trump's PA rally was extraordinary, venue full to capacity and thousands in overflow - queued for up to six hours to get in. The press pack were loudly booed as they came in, Trump kept getting the audience to turn round and heckle them. Chanting of FCUK CNN and Jail Her!!
    charming fellows. I'm sure it was just shorthand for "Jail her after an appropriate and constitutional legal process"

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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,031

    PlatoSaid said:

    In particular note that Trump can't lose, he can only be sabotaged, so if Trump appears to be losing on election day, that's proof of sabotage, and Trump enthusiasts spoil their down-ticket ballots.
    They really have let loose a monster haven't they?
    Trump's PA rally was extraordinary, venue full to capacity and thousands in overflow - queued for up to six hours to get in. The press pack were loudly booed as they came in, Trump kept getting the audience to turn round and heckle them. Chanting of FCUK CNN and Jail Her!!
    charming fellows. I'm sure it was just shorthand for "Jail her after an appropriate and constitutional legal process"

    There's a certain irony that someone who boasts of committing sexual assaults, and has amassed a fortune on the back of not paying taxes or small contractors, is trying to take the moral high ground.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    PlatoSaid said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Ooh - Dan was a Romney guy

    Mike Cernovich
    .@dansenor Writing about #BillyBush tapes, hearing your wife (ex NBC) got a hold of tapes and you pushed the story for your boss. Comment?

    Those republicans are just one big, happy family, eh?
    See the OperationPurgeCucks hashtag for more happy familyness.
    What is a "cuck" by the way? I am afraid to google it
    Short for cuckold, apparently.

    The definition on UD is ... odd
    Another name for the great "Onision" leader of the cuckolds. In the cuck fashion, Onision is a liberal feminazi vegetarian only he has millions of followers from all around the world. All bow before the cuck king, Onision, lots of the cuckold empire.
    "There goes lord Onision again, being the biggest cuck in the history of cucks."
    Thank you kind warrior, cuckold of Onision!


    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cuck

    Edit: Onision is, as far as I can tell, is a US Youtuber.
    Generally it seems to be shorthand for RINOs, GOP Establishment and turncoats especially NeverTrumpers
    Fascinating all this new langauge!

    I suppose RINO is Republican in Name Only? which seems to apply mainly to these lot threatening not to vote for republicans, only Trump..

    Not really - it's more GOPers who've been become very Democrat in their policy outlook. Provided you're loyal to the Party - that's fine even if it's very lukewarm or silent, it's the plotters/sabotagers who seem keener to keep their own bums on seats than choose SCOTUS etc.

    This is being seen as a watershed moment - very like more Cameron vs Brexit/May. And if the Dems win, then they'll essentially control the Supreme Court for decades.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,054
    PlatoSaid said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Ooh - Dan was a Romney guy

    Mike Cernovich
    .@dansenor Writing about #BillyBush tapes, hearing your wife (ex NBC) got a hold of tapes and you pushed the story for your boss. Comment?

    Those republicans are just one big, happy family, eh?
    See the OperationPurgeCucks hashtag for more happy familyness.
    What is a "cuck" by the way? I am afraid to google it
    Short for cuckold, apparently.

    The definition on UD is ... odd
    Another name for the great "Onision" leader of the cuckolds. In the cuck fashion, Onision is a liberal feminazi vegetarian only he has millions of followers from all around the world. All bow before the cuck king, Onision, lots of the cuckold empire.
    "There goes lord Onision again, being the biggest cuck in the history of cucks."
    Thank you kind warrior, cuckold of Onision!


    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cuck

    Edit: Onision is, as far as I can tell, is a US Youtuber.
    Generally it seems to be shorthand for RINOs, GOP Establishment and turncoats especially NeverTrumpers
    In other words, a load of bo**ocks.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,054

    PlatoSaid said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Ooh - Dan was a Romney guy

    Mike Cernovich
    .@dansenor Writing about #BillyBush tapes, hearing your wife (ex NBC) got a hold of tapes and you pushed the story for your boss. Comment?

    Those republicans are just one big, happy family, eh?
    See the OperationPurgeCucks hashtag for more happy familyness.
    What is a "cuck" by the way? I am afraid to google it
    Short for cuckold, apparently.

    The definition on UD is ... odd
    Another name for the great "Onision" leader of the cuckolds. In the cuck fashion, Onision is a liberal feminazi vegetarian only he has millions of followers from all around the world. All bow before the cuck king, Onision, lots of the cuckold empire.
    "There goes lord Onision again, being the biggest cuck in the history of cucks."
    Thank you kind warrior, cuckold of Onision!


    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cuck

    Edit: Onision is, as far as I can tell, is a US Youtuber.
    Generally it seems to be shorthand for RINOs, GOP Establishment and turncoats especially NeverTrumpers
    Fascinating all this new langauge!

    I suppose RINO is Republican in Name Only? which seems to apply mainly to these lot threatening not to vote for republicans, only Trump..

    Plato might not be the best person to ask about the meanings of terms such as RINO, and particularly TINO ... :)
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    rcs1000 said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    In particular note that Trump can't lose, he can only be sabotaged, so if Trump appears to be losing on election day, that's proof of sabotage, and Trump enthusiasts spoil their down-ticket ballots.
    They really have let loose a monster haven't they?
    Trump's PA rally was extraordinary, venue full to capacity and thousands in overflow - queued for up to six hours to get in. The press pack were loudly booed as they came in, Trump kept getting the audience to turn round and heckle them. Chanting of FCUK CNN and Jail Her!!
    charming fellows. I'm sure it was just shorthand for "Jail her after an appropriate and constitutional legal process"

    There's a certain irony that someone who boasts of committing sexual assaults, and has amassed a fortune on the back of not paying taxes or small contractors, is trying to take the moral high ground.
    Someone has 'leaked' his 2013 tax returns - Trump paid $40m in fed taxes and donated $27m mainly to Cato Institute and a couple of other big ones. Same method as last time so presumably same source.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,054
    In other news, the Samsung Note 7 recall is a massive blow to Samsung.

    I'm starting to wonder if the battery is the cause, or at least the sole cause. Charging firmware might be another or, worse, the charging circuitry.

    (I've mentioned in the past that Acorn had problems with Master 128's blowing up when their CMOS battery overcharged. That was down to two circuit tracks being sightly too close together. It took months to reproduce, but was fixed by producing a fault tree and changing anything that might have caused the problem).
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,031
    PlatoSaid said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Ooh - Dan was a Romney guy

    Mike Cernovich
    .@dansenor Writing about #BillyBush tapes, hearing your wife (ex NBC) got a hold of tapes and you pushed the story for your boss. Comment?

    Those republicans are just one big, happy family, eh?
    See the OperationPurgeCucks hashtag for more happy familyness.
    What is a "cuck" by the way? I am afraid to google it
    Short for cuckold, apparently.

    The definition on UD is ... odd
    Another name for the great "Onision" leader of the cuckolds. In the cuck fashion, Onision is a liberal feminazi vegetarian only he has millions of followers from all around the world. All bow before the cuck king, Onision, lots of the cuckold empire.
    "There goes lord Onision again, being the biggest cuck in the history of cucks."
    Thank you kind warrior, cuckold of Onision!


    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cuck

    Edit: Onision is, as far as I can tell, is a US Youtuber.
    Generally it seems to be shorthand for RINOs, GOP Establishment and turncoats especially NeverTrumpers
    Fascinating all this new langauge!

    I suppose RINO is Republican in Name Only? which seems to apply mainly to these lot threatening not to vote for republicans, only Trump..

    Not really - it's more GOPers who've been become very Democrat in their policy outlook. Provided you're loyal to the Party - that's fine even if it's very lukewarm or silent, it's the plotters/sabotagers who seem keener to keep their own bums on seats than choose SCOTUS etc.

    This is being seen as a watershed moment - very like more Cameron vs Brexit/May. And if the Dems win, then they'll essentially control the Supreme Court for decades.
    As a matter of interest, which of Trump's policies, do you find particularly Republican?

    Aren't most of his policies - opposition to free trade, etc. - mostly traditional Democrat ones?
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,031
    PlatoSaid said:

    rcs1000 said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    In particular note that Trump can't lose, he can only be sabotaged, so if Trump appears to be losing on election day, that's proof of sabotage, and Trump enthusiasts spoil their down-ticket ballots.
    They really have let loose a monster haven't they?
    Trump's PA rally was extraordinary, venue full to capacity and thousands in overflow - queued for up to six hours to get in. The press pack were loudly booed as they came in, Trump kept getting the audience to turn round and heckle them. Chanting of FCUK CNN and Jail Her!!
    charming fellows. I'm sure it was just shorthand for "Jail her after an appropriate and constitutional legal process"

    There's a certain irony that someone who boasts of committing sexual assaults, and has amassed a fortune on the back of not paying taxes or small contractors, is trying to take the moral high ground.
    Someone has 'leaked' his 2013 tax returns - Trump paid $40m in fed taxes and donated $27m mainly to Cato Institute and a couple of other big ones. Same method as last time so presumably same source.
    Which suggests something north of $100m in income for the year. Interesting, albeit just a single year.
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    dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    PlatoSaid said:



    Not really - it's more GOPers who've been become very Democrat in their policy outlook.

    Are there many of those?
    PlatoSaid said:



    Provided you're loyal to the Party - that's fine even if it's very lukewarm or silent, it's the plotters/sabotagers who seem keener to keep their own bums on seats than choose SCOTUS etc.

    This is being seen as a watershed moment - very like more Cameron vs Brexit/May. And if the Dems win, then they'll essentially control the Supreme Court for decades.

    well, whoever wins will get to propose judges, right? but if yr trumpeters don't vote republican they're less likely to be able to influence the pick in the case where the donald doesn't win
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    dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596

    PlatoSaid said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Ooh - Dan was a Romney guy

    Mike Cernovich
    .@dansenor Writing about #BillyBush tapes, hearing your wife (ex NBC) got a hold of tapes and you pushed the story for your boss. Comment?

    Those republicans are just one big, happy family, eh?
    See the OperationPurgeCucks hashtag for more happy familyness.
    What is a "cuck" by the way? I am afraid to google it
    Short for cuckold, apparently.

    The definition on UD is ... odd
    Another name for the great "Onision" leader of the cuckolds. In the cuck fashion, Onision is a liberal feminazi vegetarian only he has millions of followers from all around the world. All bow before the cuck king, Onision, lots of the cuckold empire.
    "There goes lord Onision again, being the biggest cuck in the history of cucks."
    Thank you kind warrior, cuckold of Onision!


    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cuck

    Edit: Onision is, as far as I can tell, is a US Youtuber.
    Generally it seems to be shorthand for RINOs, GOP Establishment and turncoats especially NeverTrumpers
    Fascinating all this new langauge!

    I suppose RINO is Republican in Name Only? which seems to apply mainly to these lot threatening not to vote for republicans, only Trump..

    Plato might not be the best person to ask about the meanings of terms such as RINO, and particularly TINO ... :)
    Plato has bravely gone into deep cover in the trumpite hinterland, reading all those tweets so we don't have to.
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,723
    PlatoSaid said:

    In particular note that Trump can't lose, he can only be sabotaged, so if Trump appears to be losing on election day, that's proof of sabotage, and Trump enthusiasts spoil their down-ticket ballots.
    They really have let loose a monster haven't they?
    Trump's PA rally was extraordinary, venue full to capacity and thousands in overflow - queued for up to six hours to get in. The press pack were loudly booed as they came in, Trump kept getting the audience to turn round and heckle them. Chanting of FCUK CNN and Jail Her!!
    Just like our own dear Corbyn's rallies.
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    Paul_BedfordshirePaul_Bedfordshire Posts: 3,632
    edited October 2016
    FPT


    I note the things you state economically, but they are still trying to sort out a single currency that is causing economic ruin in the south which makes them vulnerable, especially with Uncle Vlad on manouvers and filling East Prussia with missiles.

    Why do you insist on misusing historical terms like East Prussia? It's non congruous with Kaliningrad you know.
    Because it f***ing well is East Prussia with Kaliningrad the capital being a renamed Konigsberg, the ancient Prussian capital. The western bit of it being lopped off into Poland in 1945 is irrelevant.

    And the historical parallel is quite creepy. Russia now separated from East Prussia by Poland etc. since 1990 and rather sore about those territorial losses just as Germany was after Versailles.
    East Prussia was much bigger than the modern day Kaliningrad oblast, with part of it also being part of modern day Lithuania. The use of the term is not illuminating in the slightest.

    http://nemet-sorstragedia.lorincz-veger.hu/images/ostpreussen_map_en.jpg
    The bit in Lithuania ("Memelland") went in 1918 under the Treaty of Versailles

    East Prussias Borders are unchanged since then as far west as the point where Stalin put his thumb on the map and the cartographer drew a line along it putting half of it in Russia and the western half in Poland.

    Russia haven't forgotten and have seriously considered restoring the names Konigsberg and East Pussia to describe the city and territory in the past, the names are widely used locally in any case:

    http://konigsberg.ru/eng/

    http://www.eastprussia.ru/


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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,054

    PlatoSaid said:



    Not really - it's more GOPers who've been become very Democrat in their policy outlook.

    Are there many of those?
    (Snip)
    I believe it's shorthand for people who have been loyal Republicans for years, yet who have committed the terrible, unforgivable crime (*) of not supporting Trump due to his comments. Well known wets such as Paul Ryan.

    In the same brain-dead way that the Labour moderates, in the eyes of some Corbynites, are not Labour.

    It's not politics: it's a cult.

    (*) Not realt.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    rcs1000 said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Ooh - Dan was a Romney guy

    Mike Cernovich
    .@dansenor Writing about #BillyBush tapes, hearing your wife (ex NBC) got a hold of tapes and you pushed the story for your boss. Comment?

    Those republicans are just one big, happy family, eh?
    See the OperationPurgeCucks hashtag for more happy familyness.
    What is a "cuck" by the way? I am afraid to google it
    Short for cuckold, apparently.

    The definition on UD is ... odd
    Another name for the great "Onision" leader of the cuckolds. In the cuck fashion, Onision is a liberal feminazi vegetarian only he has millions of followers from all around the world. All bow before the cuck king, Onision, lots of the cuckold empire.
    "There goes lord Onision again, being the biggest cuck in the history of cucks."
    Thank you kind warrior, cuckold of Onision!


    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cuck

    Edit: Onision is, as far as I can tell, is a US Youtuber.
    Generally it seems to be shorthand for RINOs, GOP Establishment and turncoats especially NeverTrumpers
    Fascinating all this new langauge!

    I suppose RINO is Republican in Name Only? which seems to apply mainly to these lot threatening not to vote for republicans, only Trump..

    Not really - it's more GOPers who've been become very Democrat in their policy outlook. Provided you're loyal to the Party - that's fine even if it's very lukewarm or silent, it's the plotIters/sabotagers who seem keener to keep their own bums on seats than choose SCOTUS etc.

    This is being seen as a watershed moment - very like more Cameron vs Brexit/May. And if the Dems win, then they'll essentially control the Supreme Court for decades.
    As a matter of interest, which of Trump's policies, do you find particularly Republican?

    Aren't most of his policies - opposition to free trade, etc. - mostly traditional Democrat ones?
    I have sympathy with law and order, strong borders, making sure that new arrivals are properly vetted, and a strong national identity. An economy that works for everyone - not DC troughers.

    It's a cultural thing and the Democrats seem very keen to divide with identity politics on steroids.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    rcs1000 said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    rcs1000 said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    In particular note that Trump can't lose, he can only be sabotaged, so if Trump appears to be losing on election day, that's proof of sabotage, and Trump enthusiasts spoil their down-ticket ballots.
    They really have let loose a monster haven't they?
    Trump's PA rally was extraordinary, venue full to capacity and thousands in overflow - queued for up to six hours to get in. The press pack were loudly booed as they came in, Trump kept getting the audience to turn round and heckle them. Chanting of FCUK CNN and Jail Her!!
    charming fellows. I'm sure it was just shorthand for "Jail her after an appropriate and constitutional legal process"

    There's a certain irony that someone who boasts of committing sexual assaults, and has amassed a fortune on the back of not paying taxes or small contractors, is trying to take the moral high ground.
    Someone has 'leaked' his 2013 tax returns - Trump paid $40m in fed taxes and donated $27m mainly to Cato Institute and a couple of other big ones. Same method as last time so presumably same source.
    Which suggests something north of $100m in income for the year. Interesting, albeit just a single year.
    I think it was on $278m - he's got good accountants.
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    rcs1000 said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    rcs1000 said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    In particular note that Trump can't lose, he can only be sabotaged, so if Trump appears to be losing on election day, that's proof of sabotage, and Trump enthusiasts spoil their down-ticket ballots.
    They really have let loose a monster haven't they?
    Trump's PA rally was extraordinary, venue full to capacity and thousands in overflow - queued for up to six hours to get in. The press pack were loudly booed as they came in, Trump kept getting the audience to turn round and heckle them. Chanting of FCUK CNN and Jail Her!!
    charming fellows. I'm sure it was just shorthand for "Jail her after an appropriate and constitutional legal process"

    There's a certain irony that someone who boasts of committing sexual assaults, and has amassed a fortune on the back of not paying taxes or small contractors, is trying to take the moral high ground.
    Someone has 'leaked' his 2013 tax returns - Trump paid $40m in fed taxes and donated $27m mainly to Cato Institute and a couple of other big ones. Same method as last time so presumably same source.
    Which suggests something north of $100m in income for the year. Interesting, albeit just a single year.
    A single year close to Trump running for president. It would be interesting to see a year or two before that.
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    mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    PlatoSaid said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Ooh - Dan was a Romney guy

    Mike Cernovich
    .@dansenor Writing about #BillyBush tapes, hearing your wife (ex NBC) got a hold of tapes and you pushed the story for your boss. Comment?

    Those republicans are just one big, happy family, eh?
    See the OperationPurgeCucks hashtag for more happy familyness.
    What is a "cuck" by the way? I am afraid to google it
    Short for cuckold, apparently.

    The definition on UD is ... odd
    Another name for the great "Onision" leader of the cuckolds. In the cuck fashion, Onision is a liberal feminazi vegetarian only he has millions of followers from all around the world. All bow before the cuck king, Onision, lots of the cuckold empire.
    "There goes lord Onision again, being the biggest cuck in the history of cucks."
    Thank you kind warrior, cuckold of Onision!


    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cuck

    Edit: Onision is, as far as I can tell, is a US Youtuber.
    Generally it seems to be shorthand for RINOs, GOP Establishment and turncoats especially NeverTrumpers
    Fascinating all this new langauge!

    I suppose RINO is Republican in Name Only? which seems to apply mainly to these lot threatening not to vote for republicans, only Trump..

    Not really - it's more GOPers who've been become very Democrat in their policy outlook. Provided you're loyal to the Party - that's fine even if it's very lukewarm or silent, it's the plotters/sabotagers who seem keener to keep their own bums on seats than choose SCOTUS etc.

    This is being seen as a watershed moment - very like more Cameron vs Brexit/May. And if the Dems win, then they'll essentially control the Supreme Court for decades.
    Rubbish. It's Republicans who think that Trump is, in your terminology, a RINO. As well as a misogynist, a sexual predator and ultimately destructive to Republicanism.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    PlatoSaid said:

    rcs1000 said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Ooh - Dan was a Romney guy

    Mike Cernovich
    .@dansenor Writing about #BillyBush tapes, hearing your wife (ex NBC) got a hold of tapes and you pushed the story for your boss. Comment?

    Those republicans are just one big, happy family, eh?
    See the OperationPurgeCucks hashtag for more happy familyness.
    What is a "cuck" by the way? I am afraid to google it
    Short for cuckold, apparently.

    The definition on UD is ... odd
    Another name for the great "Onision" leader of the cuckolds. In the cuck fashion, Onision is a liberal feminazi vegetarian only he has millions of followers from all around the world. All bow before the cuck king, Onision, lots of the cuckold empire.
    "There goes lord Onision again, being the biggest cuck in the history of cucks."
    Thank you kind warrior, cuckold of Onision!


    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cuck

    Edit: Onision is, as far as I can tell, is a US Youtuber.
    Generally it seems to be shorthand for RINOs, GOP Establishment and turncoats especially NeverTrumpers
    Fascinating all this new langauge!

    I suppose RINO is Republican in Name Only? which seems to apply mainly to these lot threatening not to vote for republicans, only Trump..

    Not really - it's more GOPers who've been become very Democrat in their policy outlook. Provided you're loyal to the Party - that's fine even if it's very lukewarm or silent, it's the plotIters/sabotagers who seem keener to keep their own bums on seats than choose SCOTUS etc.

    This is being seen as a watershed moment - very like more Cameron vs Brexit/May. And if the Dems win, then they'll essentially control the Supreme Court for decades.
    As a matter of interest, which of Trump's policies, do you find particularly Republican?

    Aren't most of his policies - opposition to free trade, etc. - mostly traditional Democrat ones?
    I have sympathy with law and order, strong borders, making sure that new arrivals are properly vetted, and a strong national identity. An economy that works for everyone - not DC troughers.

    It's a cultural thing and the Democrats seem very keen to divide with identity politics on steroids.
    Seriously? You don't think that Trump has divisively played the identity card louder than any candidate since Wallace?
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    PlatoSaid said:



    Not really - it's more GOPers who've been become very Democrat in their policy outlook.

    Are there many of those?
    PlatoSaid said:



    Provided you're loyal to the Party - that's fine even if it's very lukewarm or silent, it's the plotters/sabotagers who seem keener to keep their own bums on seats than choose SCOTUS etc.

    This is being seen as a watershed moment - very like more Cameron vs Brexit/May. And if the Dems win, then they'll essentially control the Supreme Court for decades.

    well, whoever wins will get to propose judges, right? but if yr trumpeters don't vote republican they're less likely to be able to influence the pick in the case where the donald doesn't win
    They're playing chicken with the RNC now - if you don't support the nominee - we won't support you. As Cernovich said - 'we'll be your best friend, or worst enemy'
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419

    PlatoSaid said:



    Not really - it's more GOPers who've been become very Democrat in their policy outlook.

    Are there many of those?
    (Snip)
    I believe it's shorthand for people who have been loyal Republicans for years, yet who have committed the terrible, unforgivable crime (*) of not supporting Trump due to his comments. Well known wets such as Paul Ryan.

    In the same brain-dead way that the Labour moderates, in the eyes of some Corbynites, are not Labour.

    It's not politics: it's a cult.

    (*) Not real.**
    ** It will be if Trump gets in. Jail Them!!! (Or it will be in their minds)
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419

    FPT


    I note the things you state economically, but they are still trying to sort out a single currency that is causing economic ruin in the south which makes them vulnerable, especially with Uncle Vlad on manouvers and filling East Prussia with missiles.

    Why do you insist on misusing historical terms like East Prussia? It's non congruous with Kaliningrad you know.
    Because it f***ing well is East Prussia with Kaliningrad the capital being a renamed Konigsberg, the ancient Prussian capital. The western bit of it being lopped off into Poland in 1945 is irrelevant.

    And the historical parallel is quite creepy. Russia now separated from East Prussia by Poland etc. since 1990 and rather sore about those territorial losses just as Germany was after Versailles.
    East Prussia was much bigger than the modern day Kaliningrad oblast, with part of it also being part of modern day Lithuania. The use of the term is not illuminating in the slightest.

    http://nemet-sorstragedia.lorincz-veger.hu/images/ostpreussen_map_en.jpg
    The bit in Lithuania ("Memelland") went in 1918 under the Treaty of Versailles

    East Prussias Borders are unchanged since then as far west as the point where Stalin put his thumb on the map and the cartographer drew a line along it putting half of it in Russia and the western half in Poland.

    Russia haven't forgotten and have seriously considered restoring the names Konigsberg and East Pussia to describe the city and territory in the past, the names are widely used locally in any case:

    http://konigsberg.ru/eng/

    http://www.eastprussia.ru/


    The original point is half-right though. Memelland went to Lithuania after WWI but East Prussia was split after WWII with about half going to Russia - the Kalingrad enclave - and half being incorporated into Poland.
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    dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    PlatoSaid said:

    PlatoSaid said:



    Not really - it's more GOPers who've been become very Democrat in their policy outlook.

    Are there many of those?
    PlatoSaid said:



    Provided you're loyal to the Party - that's fine even if it's very lukewarm or silent, it's the plotters/sabotagers who seem keener to keep their own bums on seats than choose SCOTUS etc.

    This is being seen as a watershed moment - very like more Cameron vs Brexit/May. And if the Dems win, then they'll essentially control the Supreme Court for decades.

    well, whoever wins will get to propose judges, right? but if yr trumpeters don't vote republican they're less likely to be able to influence the pick in the case where the donald doesn't win
    They're playing chicken with the RNC now - if you don't support the nominee - we won't support you. As Cernovich said - 'we'll be your best friend, or worst enemy'
    I think they may be suffering from the corbynite twitter/rally amplification syndrome, and imagining there are many more of them than there are in reality
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    PlatoSaid said:



    Not really - it's more GOPers who've been become very Democrat in their policy outlook.

    Are there many of those?
    (Snip)
    I believe it's shorthand for people who have been loyal Republicans for years, yet who have committed the terrible, unforgivable crime (*) of not supporting Trump due to his comments. Well known wets such as Paul Ryan.

    In the same brain-dead way that the Labour moderates, in the eyes of some Corbynites, are not Labour.

    It's not politics: it's a cult.

    (*) Not real.**
    ** It will be if Trump gets in. Jail Them!!! (Or it will be in their minds)
    There's a great clip from O'Reilly Factor floating about where he sums up the concerns of the grassroots Republicans.

    He also broke a story that three big media companies have instructed their staff not to support Trump. It's a right old mess - CNN caught red handed coaching their debate focus group was a classic.
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    dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/11/opinion/britains-nuclear-cover-up.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-right-region&region=opinion-c-col-right-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region

    "One might say that with the Hinkley Point project, the British government is using billions of Chinese money to build stealth submarines designed to deter China.

    One can certainly say that the British government is using an ill-advised civilian nuclear energy project as a convoluted means of financing a submarine program."

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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,313

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/11/opinion/britains-nuclear-cover-up.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-right-region&region=opinion-c-col-right-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region

    "One might say that with the Hinkley Point project, the British government is using billions of Chinese money to build stealth submarines designed to deter China.

    One can certainly say that the British government is using an ill-advised civilian nuclear energy project as a convoluted means of financing a submarine program."

    Despite the shock jock headline the meat in this story doesn't appear to be much more than that some of the training expenditure (which must be tiny in relation to the capital spend) is in areas of overlap between civilian and military nuclear technology?
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,783

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/11/opinion/britains-nuclear-cover-up.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-right-region&region=opinion-c-col-right-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region

    "One might say that with the Hinkley Point project, the British government is using billions of Chinese money to build stealth submarines designed to deter China.

    One can certainly say that the British government is using an ill-advised civilian nuclear energy project as a convoluted means of financing a submarine program."

    Peter Wynn Kirby is a nuclear and environmental specialist at the University of Oxford
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,783
    edited October 2016
    It is of course entirely possible to have a free trade area without free movement of people. The North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) is an example of this......

    In each European country there is a small, globe-trotting elite. They often sneer at their own countries and reject national identity as being parochial and old-fashioned. These people are often loud cheerleaders for the EU – while they themselves see themselves as cosmopolitan ‘Europeans’. To them, national borders are simply an archaic annoyance.


    Remind you of anyone....?

    http://tinyurl.com/j6goae2
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    dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596


    Peter Wynn Kirby is a nuclear and environmental specialist at the University of Oxford

    yes, I saw that bit. I wondered what it says about British/US newspapers that it appears in a US one, rather than at home.

    As an oxford fdon, I didn't rate his writing very highly. ":Questionable and ruinous" — surely if it is ruinous, it's not questionable
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    PlatoSaid said:

    PlatoSaid said:



    Not really - it's more GOPers who've been become very Democrat in their policy outlook.

    Are there many of those?
    PlatoSaid said:



    Provided you're loyal to the Party - that's fine even if it's very lukewarm or silent, it's the plotters/sabotagers who seem keener to keep their own bums on seats than choose SCOTUS etc.

    This is being seen as a watershed moment - very like more Cameron vs Brexit/May. And if the Dems win, then they'll essentially control the Supreme Court for decades.

    well, whoever wins will get to propose judges, right? but if yr trumpeters don't vote republican they're less likely to be able to influence the pick in the case where the donald doesn't win
    They're playing chicken with the RNC now - if you don't support the nominee - we won't support you. As Cernovich said - 'we'll be your best friend, or worst enemy'
    I think they may be suffering from the corbynite twitter/rally amplification syndrome, and imagining there are many more of them than there are in reality
    "Lets Make America Grope Again!"
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,193

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/11/opinion/britains-nuclear-cover-up.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-right-region&region=opinion-c-col-right-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region

    "One might say that with the Hinkley Point project, the British government is using billions of Chinese money to build stealth submarines designed to deter China.

    One can certainly say that the British government is using an ill-advised civilian nuclear energy project as a convoluted means of financing a submarine program."

    Interesting. I guess that they mean that the project is to help with designing the nuclear reactors on the submarines rather than the bombs?
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