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I don't agree at all. The UK was rightly described as a democracy long before universal suffrage. The right to vote is the icing on the democratic cake.corporeal said:
The right to vote is the supreme right.0 -
If it's a low turnout by-election (as seems likely), it's possible the LibDems might outperform my 21% forecast.El_Capitano said:
Yes. Neatly observed.slade said:I have spent the last couple of days in Witney. There is in fact little evidence of a bye-election in progress - with one exception. The village of Charlbury is a sea of orange - it is the home of Liz Leffman, the LD candidate and local ward councillor. Elsewhere there are a few Conservative posters in Cassington and one or two Labour ones in Witney. What is noticeable is that the fields and trees are not voting Conservative - perhaps a sign that the Cons have not got a ground game at the moment.
The Lib Dems' challenge is getting Leffman known: she's enormously popular in her ward (landslide majority in an otherwise blue area) but no name recognition in Witney itself. They are at least helped by Robert Courts (Conservative candidate) being even less well known: he represents a remote area on the District Council and has only done so for a couple of years.
He voted Leave.RobD said:Robert Courts. Not sure if his Brexit credentials.
Robert's prediction of the other day is the best I've seen here as to what might actually happen here in Witney. I wonder if the LDs may actually outdo it but let's see.0 -
I remember the documentary on Rhodesia where they interviewed the guy who wrote their post UDI constitution. He explained how they basically cut and pasted the US constitution- except that clause "We didn't agree with that bit so we left it out"rcs1000 said:
Yeah... Not the finest hour of the early US.Richard_Nabavi said:
* As long as they're not dark-skinned, of coursercs1000 said:"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men* are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.")
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Yes this idea that Trump is could and should resign his candidacy is one of the more barking concepts advanced on PB, among a wide and colourful field. Even were it possible, it would be an act of such gross desperation the GOP would be routed regardless of who they put up in Trump's place.david_herdson said:
Less, in fact. Not only will not Trump resign but he cannot resign. His name is literally on the ballots.Mortimer said:Speedy - why do you keep running this concept of Trump resigning the nomination. It's not going to happen any more than Corbyn is going to resign.
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AIUI India has the longest constitution, not far removed from the Govt. of India Act, 1935.rcs1000 said:
It is worth remembering that the US constitution is very, very short. See: http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.htmlPaul_Bedfordshire said:
It solves some problems and creates others - US Gun law, cough...
The problem is that we all generally assume that on the big important things all right thinking people agree.
Hoaever over time, not least due to technological change things change.
If such a constitution with supermajorities had been put in place by the victorians, one would likely have been the criminalisation of homosexuality which would even now be virtually impossible to repeal if it needed 2/3 in both houses.
The problem is that we can see the follies of previous ages but are blind to the follies of our own. Supermajorities bind future generations unwillingly to our generations follies.
That said, the liberals were pratts was to abolish the lords veto without something along the lines you suggest for major constitutional issues - not least it would have meant that we could not have joined the EU without a 2/3 maj in both houses!
And constitutions don't make murder illegal or homosexuality wrong. They define the boundaries of executive and legislative power.0 -
"Wikileaks Appears To Release Hillary Clinton’s Paid Speech Transcripts"619 said:Wikileaks releases emails to help trump
all a bit boring and isnt going to stop pussy gate i feel
https://www.buzzfeed.com/rubycramer/wikileaks-appears-to-release-hillary-clintons-paid-speech-tr?utm_term=.xbmbAWQ3V#.sh7Jb6aLg
Having seen one of Hillary's paid speeches live, I doubt there will be anything interesting in there.0 -
Thank God, or we'd have Prime Minister Miliband propped up by his SNP string-pullers....Sunil_Prasannan said:
Opinion polls are NOT referendaJobabob said:
So were an opinion poll to find that ethnic minorities should be stripped of the vote you would advocate imposing that policy?NoEasyDay said:
We do not have a written constitution so if 50+1 vote to strip the vote from women that is what would happen. There are no rights that transcend parliamentary democracy...only the hated European Court of Human Rights.rcs1000 said:
Should 50+1% of voters get the right to (say) strip the vote from women?NoEasyDay said:Thats the rules, 50% + 1 do get to impose their views no matter what. It always has been that way. In fact it is more like 40% get to impose their views no matter what but I nit pick.
Or are there rights that transcend parliamentary democracy?
Unlikely to happen though as for some reason there are always more women than men in the country.0 -
We WERE asked an OVERLY simple question - hence no practically applicable answer.Sunil_Prasannan said:
We was asked a simple question:Monksfield said:
I refer you to my previous comment. You have no evidence that the majority favour hard brexit.Sunil_Prasannan said:
LEAVE 17,410,742Monksfield said:
As someone who like me has a PhD Dr Prasannan, you should know very well not to push data further than the question which the experiment was designed to answer.Sunil_Prasannan said:
LEAVE 52%Monksfield said:
And now the Tories are giving us hard brexit with less than 37%AndyJS said:
Yes, of course Labour governed between 2005 and 2010 with 35%.williamglenn said:
Quite. Anyone who thinks that democracy means that 50% + 1 get to impose their views no matter what doesn't understand democracy.Jobabob said:
Just because a majority of people support it in one opinion poll doesn't make it right. Tyranny of the majority.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is only the liberal elite calling out this proposal which has been well received by ordinary peoplealex. said:
Your point being?Big_G_NorthWales said:
You do know that You Gov poll confirmed the public back plans to make firms release foreign workers numbers by more than 2 to 1 with even a majority of labour supporters backing it and it is particularly popular in the labour heartlandsalex. said:
It's nothing to do with supporting or opposing remain. It's about the Government going far beyond what is acceptable in stirring up anti-foreigner sentiment. Remember when there were two visions of Brexit, supposedly articulated by the two rival Brexit campaign camps? Wonder what the likes of Dan Hannan are thinking at the moment?NoEasyDay said:
I am sure in ten plot/mistake. Even though we now in an economic boom, and the EU still has mass unemployment. VOTE REJOIN"Big_G_NorthWales said:
Classic remainer comment ?alex. said:It seems to me that the Government are losing the plot completely on immigration and Brexit. A large chunk of the anti-immigrant motivated vote in the referendum must have come from areas of the electorate that are never going to vote Conservative, and in areas .
REMAIN 48%
REMAIN 16,141,241
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I wouldnt count on that Mr 619:619 said:Wikileaks releases emails to help trump
all a bit boring and isnt going to stop pussy gate i feel
https://www.buzzfeed.com/rubycramer/wikileaks-appears-to-release-hillary-clintons-paid-speech-tr?utm_term=.xbmbAWQ3V#.sh7Jb6aLg
"my dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders”
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I was looking forward to some real juicy leaks...I won't mention Pussy here...oops I just did but I think I got away with it.619 said:Wikileaks releases emails to help trump
all a bit boring and isnt going to stop pussy gate i feel
https://www.buzzfeed.com/rubycramer/wikileaks-appears-to-release-hillary-clintons-paid-speech-tr?utm_term=.xbmbAWQ3V#.sh7Jb6aLg
Sadly I don't think Assange has anything.0 -
That depends on who gets to write the consitition.rcs1000 said:
It is worth remembering that the US constitution is very, very short. See: http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.htmlPaul_Bedfordshire said:
It solves some problems and creates others - US Gun law, cough...
The problem is that we all generally assume that on the big important things all right thinking people agree.
Hoaever over time, not least due to technological change things change.
If such a constitution with supermajorities had been put in place by the victorians, one would likely have been the criminalisation of homosexuality which would even now be virtually impossible to repeal if it needed 2/3 in both houses.
The problem is that we can see the follies of previous ages but are blind to the follies of our own. Supermajorities bind future generations unwillingly to our generations follies.
That said, the liberals were pratts was to abolish the lords veto without something along the lines you suggest for major constitutional issues - not least it would have meant that we could not have joined the EU without a 2/3 maj in both houses!
And constitutions don't make murder illegal or homosexuality wrong. They define the boundaries of executive and legislative power.
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How right you are:Sunil_Prasannan said:
AIUI India has the longest constitution, not far removed from the Govt. of India Act, 1935.rcs1000 said:
It is worth remembering that the US constitution is very, very short. See: http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.htmlPaul_Bedfordshire said:
It solves some problems and creates others - US Gun law, cough...
The problem is that we all generally assume that on the big important things all right thinking people agree.
Hoaever over time, not least due to technological change things change.
If such a constitution with supermajorities had been put in place by the victorians, one would likely have been the criminalisation of homosexuality which would even now be virtually impossible to repeal if it needed 2/3 in both houses.
The problem is that we can see the follies of previous ages but are blind to the follies of our own. Supermajorities bind future generations unwillingly to our generations follies.
That said, the liberals were pratts was to abolish the lords veto without something along the lines you suggest for major constitutional issues - not least it would have meant that we could not have joined the EU without a 2/3 maj in both houses!
And constitutions don't make murder illegal or homosexuality wrong. They define the boundaries of executive and legislative power.
The Constitution of India is the longest written constitution of any sovereign country in the world, containing 444 articles in 22 parts, 12 schedules and 118 amendments, with 117,369 words in its English-language translation0 -
nothing in it. she says she wants to work with wall street and she occasionally has a different public and private position on things.williamglenn said:
"Wikileaks Appears To Release Hillary Clinton’s Paid Speech Transcripts"619 said:Wikileaks releases emails to help trump
all a bit boring and isnt going to stop pussy gate i feel
https://www.buzzfeed.com/rubycramer/wikileaks-appears-to-release-hillary-clintons-paid-speech-tr?utm_term=.xbmbAWQ3V#.sh7Jb6aLg
Having seen one of Hillary's paid speeches live, I doubt there will be anything interesting in there.
if thats the best wikileaks can do to help Trump...0 -
NoEasyDay said:
I didn't write any of that.Jobabob said:
Who is the OP ?NoEasyDay said:
Have you been drinkingJobabob said:
So were an opinion poll to find that ethnic minorities should be stripped of the vote you would advocate imposing that policy?NoEasyDay said:
We do not have a written constitution so if 50+1 vote to strip the vote from women that is what would happen. There are no rights that transcend parliamentary democracy...only the hated European Court of Human Rights.rcs1000 said:
Should 50+1% of voters get the right to (say) strip the vote from women?NoEasyDay said:Thats the rules, 50% + 1 do get to impose their views no matter what. It always has been that way. In fact it is more like 40% get to impose their views no matter what but I nit pick.
Or are there rights that transcend parliamentary democracy?
Unlikely to happen though as for some reason there are always more women than men in the country.
The results of opinion polls do not constitute law.
Why do i want to ask him anything ?
Lets leave it to one thing...otherwise it might confuse you
Who is the OP ?
The original poster was Big Wales - he claimed that the policy to flush out foreigners in companies was justified because 59% of people told YouGov they supported it.0 -
Was, were...Jobabob said:
We WERE asked an OVERLY simple question - hence no practically applicable answer.Sunil_Prasannan said:
We was asked a simple question:Monksfield said:
I refer you to my previous comment. You have no evidence that the majority favour hard brexit.Sunil_Prasannan said:
LEAVE 17,410,742Monksfield said:
As someone who like me has a PhD Dr Prasannan, you should know very well not to push data further than the question which the experiment was designed to answer.Sunil_Prasannan said:
LEAVE 52%Monksfield said:
And now the Tories are giving us hard brexit with less than 37%AndyJS said:
Yes, of course Labour governed between 2005 and 2010 with 35%.williamglenn said:
Quite. Anyone who thinks that democracy means that 50% + 1 get to impose their views no matter what doesn't understand democracy.Jobabob said:
Just because a majority of people support it in one opinion poll doesn't make it right. Tyranny of the majority.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is only the liberal elite calling out this proposal which has been well received by ordinary peoplealex. said:
Your point being?Big_G_NorthWales said:
You do know that You Gov poll confirmed the public back plans to make firms release foreign workers numbers by more than 2 to 1 with even a majority of labour supporters backing it and it is particularly popular in the labour heartlandsalex. said:
It's nothing to do with supporting or opposing remain. It's about the Government going far beyond what is acceptable in stirring up anti-foreigner sentiment. Remember when there were two visions of Brexit, supposedly articulated by the two rival Brexit campaign camps? Wonder what the likes of Dan Hannan are thinking at the moment?NoEasyDay said:
I am sure in ten plot/mistake. Even though we now in an economic boom, and the EU still has mass unemployment. VOTE REJOIN"Big_G_NorthWales said:
Classic remainer comment ?alex. said:It seems to me that the Government are Conservative, and in areas .
REMAIN 48%
REMAIN 16,141,241
Should the UK leave or remain in the EU?
We WERE is American English
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'Open borders' from Mexico, the Trump camp will jump on that! Her comments on middle class life “I’m kind of far removed” are also not great for her campaignPaul_Bedfordshire said:
I wouldnt count on that Mr 619:619 said:Wikileaks releases emails to help trump
all a bit boring and isnt going to stop pussy gate i feel
https://www.buzzfeed.com/rubycramer/wikileaks-appears-to-release-hillary-clintons-paid-speech-tr?utm_term=.xbmbAWQ3V#.sh7Jb6aLg
"my dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders”0 -
I agree with you here. I campaigned very hard for and of course voted for Leave. But my vision of a post Brexit Britain is probably a long way from the average UKIP voter. Even some of those leading the Leave campaign were not hoping for what we would now describe as a 'hard' Brexit. To try and claim that this was the settled will of the people based on the referendum question is simply not reasonable.Monksfield said:
I refer you to my previous comment. You have no evidence that the majority favour hard brexit.0 -
She was paid $250k a pop for that "you know, you know" infested drivel?619 said:Wikileaks releases emails to help trump
all a bit boring and isnt going to stop pussy gate i feel
https://www.buzzfeed.com/rubycramer/wikileaks-appears-to-release-hillary-clintons-paid-speech-tr?utm_term=.xbmbAWQ3V#.sh7Jb6aLg
In a normal election cycle there are some terrible sounding quotes which could ripped from just that one email for an attack ad. If Mitt "47%" Romney had said would have caused trouble, but she is against The Donald who daily says offensive stuff.0 -
Which hemisphere? North or West or Pacific?Paul_Bedfordshire said:
I wouldnt count on that Mr 619:619 said:Wikileaks releases emails to help trump
all a bit boring and isnt going to stop pussy gate i feel
https://www.buzzfeed.com/rubycramer/wikileaks-appears-to-release-hillary-clintons-paid-speech-tr?utm_term=.xbmbAWQ3V#.sh7Jb6aLg
"my dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders”0 -
No, she was paid $250k a pop for future political influence.FrancisUrquhart said:
She was paid $250k a pop for that "you know, you know" infested drivel?619 said:Wikileaks releases emails to help trump
all a bit boring and isnt going to stop pussy gate i feel
https://www.buzzfeed.com/rubycramer/wikileaks-appears-to-release-hillary-clintons-paid-speech-tr?utm_term=.xbmbAWQ3V#.sh7Jb6aLg0 -
I very much doubt it. Abortion has been around forever, and debated over forever. You can find justifications of it all the way back to the Ancient Greeks. So there were very likely significant portions of society that didn't believe in that.Richard_Nabavi said:
I think the lesson is more that things are not as absolute as they appear. Autre temps, autres moeursrcs1000 said:
Yeah... Not the finest hour of the early US.Richard_Nabavi said:
* As long as they're not dark-skinned, of coursercs1000 said:"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men* are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.")
After all, there would would have been a pretty much 100% consensus in the Western world in 1776 that the unalienable rights endowed by the Creator arose from the moment of conception. Now, not so much.0 -
Is there a trump operation at the moment? all the GOP senators seems to be abandoning him publically and this seems the big news story. I doubt that one speech will get much tractionHYUFD said:
'Open borders' from Mexico, the Trump camp will jump on that!Paul_Bedfordshire said:
I wouldnt count on that Mr 619:619 said:Wikileaks releases emails to help trump
all a bit boring and isnt going to stop pussy gate i feel
https://www.buzzfeed.com/rubycramer/wikileaks-appears-to-release-hillary-clintons-paid-speech-tr?utm_term=.xbmbAWQ3V#.sh7Jb6aLg
"my dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders”0 -
You voted Leave???Richard_Tyndall said:
I agree with you here. I campaigned very hard for and of course voted for Leave. But my vision of a post Brexit Britain is probably a long way from the average UKIP voter. Even some of those leading the Leave campaign were not hoping for what we would now describe as a 'hard' Brexit. To try and claim that this was the settled will of the people based on the referendum question is simply not reasonable.Monksfield said:
I refer you to my previous comment. You have no evidence that the majority favour hard brexit.
Richard, I've missed you. Please spend more time on pb.0 -
No. We was is Essex English.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Was, were...Jobabob said:
We WERE asked an OVERLY simple question - hence no practically applicable answer.Sunil_Prasannan said:
We was asked a simple question:Monksfield said:
I refer you to my previous comment. You have no evidence that the majority favour hard brexit.Sunil_Prasannan said:
LEAVE 17,410,742Monksfield said:
As someone who like me has a PhD Dr Prasannan, you should know very well not to push data further than the question which the experiment was designed to answer.Sunil_Prasannan said:
LEAVE 52%Monksfield said:
And now the Tories are giving us hard brexit with less than 37%AndyJS said:
Yes, of course Labour governed between 2005 and 2010 with 35%.williamglenn said:
Quite. Anyone who thinks that democracy means that 50% + 1 get to impose their views no matter what doesn't understand democracy.Jobabob said:
Just because a majority of people support it in one opinion poll doesn't make it right. Tyranny of the majority.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is only the liberal elite calling out this proposal which has been well received by ordinary peoplealex. said:
Your point being?Big_G_NorthWales said:
You do know that You Gov poll confirmed the public back plans to make firms release foreign workers numbers by more than 2 to 1 with even a majority of labour supporters backing it and it is particularly popular in the labour heartlandsalex. said:
It's nothing to do with supporting or opposing remain. It's about the Government going far beyond what is acceptable in stirring up anti-foreigner sentiment. Remember when there were two visions of Brexit, supposedly articulated by the two rival Brexit campaign camps? Wonder what the likes of Dan Hannan are thinking at the moment?NoEasyDay said:
I am sure in ten plot/mistake. Even though we now in an economic boom, and the EU still has mass unemployment. VOTE REJOIN"Big_G_NorthWales said:
Classic remainer comment ?alex. said:It seems to me that the Government are Conservative, and in areas .
REMAIN 48%
REMAIN 16,141,241
Should the UK leave or remain in the EU?
We WERE is American English0 -
Have you seen American tv news at the moment? trump is finished.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
I wouldnt count on that Mr 619:619 said:Wikileaks releases emails to help trump
all a bit boring and isnt going to stop pussy gate i feel
https://www.buzzfeed.com/rubycramer/wikileaks-appears-to-release-hillary-clintons-paid-speech-tr?utm_term=.xbmbAWQ3V#.sh7Jb6aLg
"my dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders”0 -
That works for a short while but if it happens longer term, the government gets increasingly divorced from the concerns of the people etc it only takes a few of those paramilitary police to be killed and murdered by mass rioters in a particularly brutal fashion and their weapons stolen for the makings of a violent revolution to be in the offing and government buildings to be stormed. Modern technology and social media makes a well organised revolution easier than ever before too (see Egypt, Libya etc) and even a kitchen knife can be a weapon if neededPaul_Bedfordshire said:
Until a few of them are gunned down by paramilitary police pour encouragement les autres.HYUFD said:In
If you prevent halfMalmesbury said:
So only tax payers should vote in elections? Why not go the whole hog - only freehold owners can vote?Paul_Bedfordshire said:
So you support local elections only having council tax payers on the franchise?foxinsoxuk said:
The Tories have decided to give the tax dodgers the vote for life now.williamglenn said:
Or more plausibly:rcs1000 said:
This is a philosophical question rather than a practical one, but are you comfortable with that?NoEasyDay said:
We do not have a written constitution so if 50+1 vote to strip the vote from women that is what would happen. There are no rights that transcend parliamentary democracy...only the hated European Court of Human Rights.rcs1000 said:
Should 50+1% of voters get the right to (say) strip the vote from women?NoEasyDay said:Thats the rules, 50% + 1 do get to impose their views no matter what. It always has been that way. In fact it is more like 40% get to impose their views no matter what but I nit pick.
Or are there rights that transcend parliamentary democracy?
Unlikely to happen though as for some reason there are always more women than men in the country.
I mean under our democracy, the Womens Equality Party could theoretically win 326 (or 301) seats on less than 20% of the vote. If they then used their majority in parliament to strip men of the vote, I think that would be outrageous, wouldn't you?
"If you think you're a citizen of the world, you're a citizen of nowhere... That's why my government will pass legislation to remove the right to vote from anyone who holds dual-nationality, or who doesn't pay their fair share of tax in the UK."
No representation without taxation!
Problem is modern technology means violently suppressing riots has never been easier.0 -
By the way, I assume everyone has seen the story about Tony Blair considering a return to front line politics: https://www.ft.com/content/f5b14190-8c7b-11e6-8aa5-f79f5696c7310
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All three of them have got places with millions of very poor people.MTimT said:
Which hemisphere? North or West or Pacific?Paul_Bedfordshire said:
I wouldnt count on that Mr 619:619 said:Wikileaks releases emails to help trump
all a bit boring and isnt going to stop pussy gate i feel
https://www.buzzfeed.com/rubycramer/wikileaks-appears-to-release-hillary-clintons-paid-speech-tr?utm_term=.xbmbAWQ3V#.sh7Jb6aLg
"my dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders”
Assuming she means Northern that still includes places like Haiti and Cuba as well as Mexico.
Clinton wants open borders with Haiti, Mexico and Cuba? Good luck explaining that to Middle America.0 -
He can resign any time he likes, his name will still be on the ballot but the ballots cast with his name on will be counted for the new nominee not Trump.david_herdson said:
Less, in fact. Not only will not Trump resign but he cannot resign. His name is literally on the ballots.Mortimer said:Speedy - why do you keep running this concept of Trump resigning the nomination. It's not going to happen any more than Corbyn is going to resign.
And the RNC can nominate whoever they like once Trump resigns.
I insist on bringing that up because it's clear that Trump is not up to the job and neither is Hillary, the best thing for america and the world is for Trump to resign so that Hillary loses too.0 -
How dare you suggest such a thing. Next you will be telling me those $1 million an hour speeches that Bill gives in far flung corners of the world aren't for the good of the charrrdddieee, but are for the same reason.MTimT said:
No, she was paid $250k a pop for future political influence.FrancisUrquhart said:
She was paid $250k a pop for that "you know, you know" infested drivel?619 said:Wikileaks releases emails to help trump
all a bit boring and isnt going to stop pussy gate i feel
https://www.buzzfeed.com/rubycramer/wikileaks-appears-to-release-hillary-clintons-paid-speech-tr?utm_term=.xbmbAWQ3V#.sh7Jb6aLg0 -
I'd say it's rather tricky to claim democracy without the right to vote?williamglenn said:
I don't agree at all. The UK was rightly described as a democracy long before universal suffrage. The right to vote is the icing on the democratic cake.corporeal said:
The right to vote is the supreme right.
"Ankh-Morpork had dallied with many forms of government and had ended up with that form of democracy known as One Man, One Vote. The Patrician was the Man; he had the Vote.”0 -
As is still awaited in North Korea et al?HYUFD said:Her
That works for a short while but if it happens longer term, the government gets increasingly divorced from the concerns of the people etc it only takes a few of those paramilitary police to be killed and murdered by mass rioters in a particularly brutal fashion and their weapons stolen for the makings of a violent revolution to be in the offing and government buildings to be stormed. Modern technology and social media makes a well organised revolution easier than ever before too and even a kitchen knife can be a weapon if neededPaul_Bedfordshire said:
Until a few of them are gunned down by paramilitary police pour encouragement les autres.HYUFD said:In
If you prevent halfMalmesbury said:
So only tax payers should vote in elections? Why not go the whole hog - only freehold owners can vote?Paul_Bedfordshire said:
So you support local elections only having council tax payers on the franchise?foxinsoxuk said:
The Tories have decided to give the tax dodgers the vote for life now.williamglenn said:
Or more plausibly:rcs1000 said:
This is a philosophical question rather than a practical one, but are you comfortable with that?NoEasyDay said:
We do not have a written constitution so if 50+1 vote to strip the vote from women that is what would happen. There are no rights that transcend parliamentary democracy...only the hated European Court of Human Rights.rcs1000 said:
Should 50+1% of voters get the right to (say) strip the vote from women?NoEasyDay said:Thats the rules, 50% + 1 do get to impose their views no matter what. It always has been that way. In fact it is more like 40% get to impose their views no matter what but I nit pick.
Or are there rights that transcend parliamentary democracy?
Unlikely to happen though as for some reason there are always more women than men in the country.
I mean under our democracy, the Womens Equality Party could theoretically win 326 (or 301) seats on less than 20% of the vote. If they then used their majority in parliament to strip men of the vote, I think that would be outrageous, wouldn't you?
"If you think you're a citizen of the world, you're a citizen of nowhere... That's why my government will pass legislation to remove the right to vote from anyone who holds dual-nationality, or who doesn't pay their fair share of tax in the UK."
No representation without taxation!
Problem is modern technology means violently suppressing riots has never been easier.0 -
There is more to come on Trump.
A while back I said that a key figure for pressure from those in the GOP opposed to Trump was Mike Pence. Basically pressure him into jumping ship late on.
I wonder if they are working on it now?
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But if the Patrician has the vote, but not anyone else, in what sense is it a supreme right?corporeal said:
I'd say it's rather tricky to claim democracy without the right to vote?williamglenn said:
I don't agree at all. The UK was rightly described as a democracy long before universal suffrage. The right to vote is the icing on the democratic cake.corporeal said:
The right to vote is the supreme right.
"Ankh-Morpork had dallied with many forms of government and had ended up with that form of democracy known as One Man, One Vote. The Patrician was the Man; he had the Vote.”0 -
Fox national Clinton 44% Trump 42% Johnson 6% Stein 2%. 70% of Trump backers support him 'strongly' 57% of Clinton supporters support her 'strongly'
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/07/fox-news-poll-clinton-edges-trump-by-two-points-one-month-ahead-election.html0 -
Respec'!Jobabob said:
No. We was is Essex English.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Was, were...Jobabob said:
We WERE asked an OVERLY simple question - hence no practically applicable answer.Sunil_Prasannan said:
We was asked a simple question:Monksfield said:
I refer you to my previous comment. You have no evidence that the majority favour hard brexit.Sunil_Prasannan said:
LEAVE 17,410,742Monksfield said:
As someone who like me has a PhD Dr Prasannan, you should know very well not to push data further than the question which the experiment was designed to answer.Sunil_Prasannan said:
LEAVE 52%Monksfield said:
And now the Tories are giving us hard brexit with less than 37%AndyJS said:
Yes, of course Labour governed between 2005 and 2010 with 35%.williamglenn said:
Quite. Anyone who thinks that democracy means that 50% + 1 get to impose their views no matter what doesn't understand democracy.Jobabob said:
Just because a majority of people support it in one opinion poll doesn't make it right. Tyranny of the majority.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is only the liberal elite calling out this proposal which has been well received by ordinary peoplealex. said:
Your point being?Big_G_NorthWales said:
You do know that You Gov poll confirmed the public back plans to make firms release foreign workers numbers by more than 2 to 1 with even a majority of labour supporters backing it and it is particularly popular in the labour heartlandsalex. said:
?NoEasyDay said:
I am sure in ten plot/mistake. Even though we now in an economic boom, and the EU still has mass unemployment. VOTE REJOIN"Big_G_NorthWales said:
Classic remainer comment ?alex. said:It seems to me that the Government are Conservative, and in areas .
REMAIN 48%
REMAIN 16,141,241
Should the UK leave or remain in the EU?
We WERE is American English
Sunny P
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That was a humorous characterisation of the idea of democracy without universal suffrage.williamglenn said:
But if the Patrician has the vote, but not anyone else, in what sense is it a supreme right?corporeal said:
I'd say it's rather tricky to claim democracy without the right to vote?williamglenn said:
I don't agree at all. The UK was rightly described as a democracy long before universal suffrage. The right to vote is the icing on the democratic cake.corporeal said:
The right to vote is the supreme right.
"Ankh-Morpork had dallied with many forms of government and had ended up with that form of democracy known as One Man, One Vote. The Patrician was the Man; he had the Vote.”0 -
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These rumours have been circulating all day. Quite how he would go about it - and how many people would be willing to listen to him if he did - God alone knows.rcs1000 said:By the way, I assume everyone has seen the story about Tony Blair considering a return to front line politics: https://www.ft.com/content/f5b14190-8c7b-11e6-8aa5-f79f5696c731
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Yeah Trump ain't resigning.0
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It is the 'supreme' right as it is reserved for the 'supreme' being.williamglenn said:
But if the Patrician has the vote, but not anyone else, in what sense is it a supreme right?corporeal said:
I'd say it's rather tricky to claim democracy without the right to vote?williamglenn said:
I don't agree at all. The UK was rightly described as a democracy long before universal suffrage. The right to vote is the icing on the democratic cake.corporeal said:
The right to vote is the supreme right.
"Ankh-Morpork had dallied with many forms of government and had ended up with that form of democracy known as One Man, One Vote. The Patrician was the Man; he had the Vote.”0 -
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I am sure God is sick of hearing about it....Black_Rook said:
These rumours have been circulating all day. Quite how he would go about it - and how many people would be willing to listen to him if he did - God alone knows.rcs1000 said:By the way, I assume everyone has seen the story about Tony Blair considering a return to front line politics: https://www.ft.com/content/f5b14190-8c7b-11e6-8aa5-f79f5696c731
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Sunil_Prasannan said:
Respec'!Jobabob said:
No. We was is Essex English.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Was, were...Jobabob said:
We WERE asked an OVERLY simple question - hence no practically applicable answer.Sunil_Prasannan said:
We was asked a simple question:Monksfield said:
I refer you to my previous comment. You have no evidence that the majority favour hard brexit.Sunil_Prasannan said:
LEAVE 17,410,742Monksfield said:
As someone who like me has a PhD Dr Prasannan, you should know very well not to push data further than the question which the experiment was designed to answer.Sunil_Prasannan said:
LEAVE 52%Monksfield said:
And now the Tories are giving us hard brexit with less than 37%AndyJS said:
Yes, of course Labour governed between 2005 and 2010 with 35%.williamglenn said:
Quite. Anyone who thinks that democracy means that 50% + 1 get to impose their views no matter what doesn't understand democracy.Jobabob said:
Just because a majority of people support it in one opinion poll doesn't make it right. Tyranny of the majority.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is only the liberal elite calling out this proposal which has been well received by ordinary peoplealex. said:
Your point being?Big_G_NorthWales said:
You do know that You Gov poll confirmed the public back plans to make firms release foreign workers numbers by more than 2 to 1 with even a majority of labour supporters backing it and it is particularly popular in the labour heartlandsalex. said:
?NoEasyDay said:
I am sure in ten plot/mistake. Even though we now in an economic boom, and the EU still has mass unemployment. VOTE REJOIN"Big_G_NorthWales said:
Classic remainer comment ?alex. said:It seems to me that the Government are Conservative, and in areas .
REMAIN 48%
REMAIN 16,141,241
Should the UK leave or remain in the EU?
We WERE is American English
Sunny P 0 -
And on cue Wikileaks releases some emails related to Clinton.
Timing eh, got to protect their man.
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Pence is going for 2020, if he abandons Trump he will lose the gains he made by appearing loyal to his party and a better persona than Trump.Y0kel said:There is more to come on Trump.
A while back I said that a key figure for pressure from those in the GOP opposed to Trump was Mike Pence. Basically pressure him into jumping ship late on.
I wonder if they are working on it now?
The daily contrast between the incompetence and crass of Trump makes Pence look like JFK in waiting, the VP debate showed it clearly.0 -
That's the weak point in the planwilliamglenn said:0 -
I think it's a bit more complicated than that.MTimT said:
No, she was paid $250k a pop for future political influence.FrancisUrquhart said:
She was paid $250k a pop for that "you know, you know" infested drivel?619 said:Wikileaks releases emails to help trump
all a bit boring and isnt going to stop pussy gate i feel
https://www.buzzfeed.com/rubycramer/wikileaks-appears-to-release-hillary-clintons-paid-speech-tr?utm_term=.xbmbAWQ3V#.sh7Jb6aLg
About two years ago I met with Hillary Clinton.
Why?
Because I am a fund manager and went to Sandford Bernstein's "Strategic Decisions Conference" in New York. Hillary gave a speech, and then spend about three hours doing little sit downs with three or four investors for 15 minutes apiece.
Sandford Bernstein - a big US broker - gave 1,000 of its investors the chance to hear Hillary, and 50 of them a chance to sit down and chat with her. That's a pretty good way of encouraging investors to do business with Sandford Bernstein. And I'd bet they got more than $250,000 of business from it.
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decent for Trump but looks like an outlier. Be interested to see if the other polls show that.HYUFD said:Fox national Clinton 44% Trump 42% Johnson 6% Stein 2%. 70% of Trump backers support him 'strongly' 57% of Clinton supporters support her 'strongly'
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/07/fox-news-poll-clinton-edges-trump-by-two-points-one-month-ahead-election.html0 -
The post VP debate polls are generally showing it tighter619 said:
decent for Trump but looks like an outlier. Be interested to see if the other polls show that.HYUFD said:Fox national Clinton 44% Trump 42% Johnson 6% Stein 2%. 70% of Trump backers support him 'strongly' 57% of Clinton supporters support her 'strongly'
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/07/fox-news-poll-clinton-edges-trump-by-two-points-one-month-ahead-election.html0 -
And what was your impression of Hiliary "You Know" Clinton, other than she says "You Know" more often than a teenager?rcs1000 said:
I think it's a bit more complicated than that.MTimT said:
No, she was paid $250k a pop for future political influence.FrancisUrquhart said:
She was paid $250k a pop for that "you know, you know" infested drivel?619 said:Wikileaks releases emails to help trump
all a bit boring and isnt going to stop pussy gate i feel
https://www.buzzfeed.com/rubycramer/wikileaks-appears-to-release-hillary-clintons-paid-speech-tr?utm_term=.xbmbAWQ3V#.sh7Jb6aLg
About two years ago I met with Hillary Clinton.
Why?
Because I am a fund manager and went to Sandford Bernstein's "Strategic Decisions Conference" in New York. Hillary gave a speech, and then spend about three hours doing little sit downs with three or four investors for 15 minutes apiece.
Sandford Bernstein - a big US broker - gave 1,000 of its investors the chance to hear Hillary, and 50 of them a chance to sit down and chat with her. That's a pretty good way of encouraging investors to do business with Sandford Bernstein. And I'd bet they got more than $250,000 of business from it.0 -
Robert, I see hobnobbing with Hillary rubbed off on you! "Met with"????rcs1000 said:
I think it's a bit more complicated than that.MTimT said:
No, she was paid $250k a pop for future political influence.FrancisUrquhart said:
She was paid $250k a pop for that "you know, you know" infested drivel?619 said:Wikileaks releases emails to help trump
all a bit boring and isnt going to stop pussy gate i feel
https://www.buzzfeed.com/rubycramer/wikileaks-appears-to-release-hillary-clintons-paid-speech-tr?utm_term=.xbmbAWQ3V#.sh7Jb6aLg
About two years ago I met with Hillary Clinton.
Why?
Because I am a fund manager and went to Sandford Bernstein's "Strategic Decisions Conference" in New York. Hillary gave a speech, and then spend about three hours doing little sit downs with three or four investors for 15 minutes apiece.
Sandford Bernstein - a big US broker - gave 1,000 of its investors the chance to hear Hillary, and 50 of them a chance to sit down and chat with her. That's a pretty good way of encouraging investors to do business with Sandford Bernstein. And I'd bet they got more than $250,000 of business from it.
Thanks for the explanation. Yes, I can see how that would be a good marketing stunt.0 -
Not worth the read.rcs1000 said:By the way, I assume everyone has seen the story about Tony Blair considering a return to front line politics: https://www.ft.com/content/f5b14190-8c7b-11e6-8aa5-f79f5696c731
He will rival the LD for insignificance, minus the 8 MP's they got.0 -
Will Straw has signed up as campaign director.Black_Rook said:
These rumours have been circulating all day. Quite how he would go about it - and how many people would be willing to listen to him if he did - God alone knows.rcs1000 said:By the way, I assume everyone has seen the story about Tony Blair considering a return to front line politics: https://www.ft.com/content/f5b14190-8c7b-11e6-8aa5-f79f5696c731
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Can't see why the VP debate would move anythingHYUFD said:
The post VP debate polls are generally showing it tighter619 said:
decent for Trump but looks like an outlier. Be interested to see if the other polls show that.HYUFD said:Fox national Clinton 44% Trump 42% Johnson 6% Stein 2%. 70% of Trump backers support him 'strongly' 57% of Clinton supporters support her 'strongly'
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/07/fox-news-poll-clinton-edges-trump-by-two-points-one-month-ahead-election.html0 -
i think pussygate is really going to screw him over now. all over the news, everyone is talking about it.HYUFD said:
The post VP debate polls are generally showing it tighter619 said:
decent for Trump but looks like an outlier. Be interested to see if the other polls show that.HYUFD said:Fox national Clinton 44% Trump 42% Johnson 6% Stein 2%. 70% of Trump backers support him 'strongly' 57% of Clinton supporters support her 'strongly'
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/07/fox-news-poll-clinton-edges-trump-by-two-points-one-month-ahead-election.html0 -
LOL...would could possibly go wrong. Aren't the plod investigating him?rcs1000 said:
Will Straw has signed up as campaign director.Black_Rook said:
These rumours have been circulating all day. Quite how he would go about it - and how many people would be willing to listen to him if he did - God alone knows.rcs1000 said:By the way, I assume everyone has seen the story about Tony Blair considering a return to front line politics: https://www.ft.com/content/f5b14190-8c7b-11e6-8aa5-f79f5696c731
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Everybody in North Korea is so brainwashed from birth there are never any riots anyway as they see the Supreme Leader as a God, if the majority ever did turn against the regime there would be a swift coup and Kim would be hanging from the nearest lamppost!Paul_Bedfordshire said:
As is still awaited in North Korea et al?HYUFD said:Her
That works for a short while but if it happens longer term, the government gets increasingly divorced from the concerns of the people etc it only takes a few of those paramilitary police to be killed and murdered by mass rioters in a particularlyPaul_Bedfordshire said:
Until a few of them are gunned down by paramilitary police pour encouragement les autres.HYUFD said:In
If you prevent halfMalmesbury said:
So only tax payers should vote in elections? Why not go the whole hog - only freehold owners can vote?Paul_Bedfordshire said:
So you support local elections only having council tax payers on the franchise?foxinsoxuk said:
The Tories have decided to give the tax dodgers the vote for life now.williamglenn said:
Or more plausibly:rcs1000 said:
This is a philosophical question rather than a practical one, but are you comfortable with that?NoEasyDay said:
We do not have a writtenrcs1000 said:
Should 50+1% of voters get the right to (say) strip the vote from women?NoEasyDay said:Thats the rules, 50% + 1 do get to impose their views no matter what. It always has been that way. In fact it is more like 40% get to impose their views no matter what but I nit pick.
Or are there rights that transcend parliamentary democracy?
Unlikely to happen though as for some reason there are always more women than men in the country.
I mean under our democracy, the Womens Equality Party could theoretically win 326 (or 301) seats on less than 20% of the vote. If they then used their majority in parliament to strip men of the vote, I think that would be outrageous, wouldn't you?
"If you think you're a citizen of the world, you're a citizen of nowhere... That's why my government will pass legislation to remove the right to vote from anyone who holds dual-nationality, or who doesn't pay their fair share of tax in the UK."
No representation without taxation!
Problem is modern technology means violently suppressing riots has never been easier.0 -
I would imagine that he would have a great deal of trouble getting to be a Labour candidate (essentially impossible). No other party would touch him.rcs1000 said:By the way, I assume everyone has seen the story about Tony Blair considering a return to front line politics: https://www.ft.com/content/f5b14190-8c7b-11e6-8aa5-f79f5696c731
Some kind of weird think tank thing which involves someone paying lots of money into the Blair Foundation, in return for the occasional speech?0 -
She's clearly very bright.FrancisUrquhart said:
And what was your impression of Hiliary "You Know" Clinton, other than she says "You Know" more often than a teenager?rcs1000 said:
I think it's a bit more complicated than that.MTimT said:
No, she was paid $250k a pop for future political influence.FrancisUrquhart said:
She was paid $250k a pop for that "you know, you know" infested drivel?619 said:Wikileaks releases emails to help trump
all a bit boring and isnt going to stop pussy gate i feel
https://www.buzzfeed.com/rubycramer/wikileaks-appears-to-release-hillary-clintons-paid-speech-tr?utm_term=.xbmbAWQ3V#.sh7Jb6aLg
About two years ago I met with Hillary Clinton.
Why?
Because I am a fund manager and went to Sandford Bernstein's "Strategic Decisions Conference" in New York. Hillary gave a speech, and then spend about three hours doing little sit downs with three or four investors for 15 minutes apiece.
Sandford Bernstein - a big US broker - gave 1,000 of its investors the chance to hear Hillary, and 50 of them a chance to sit down and chat with her. That's a pretty good way of encouraging investors to do business with Sandford Bernstein. And I'd bet they got more than $250,000 of business from it.
But I didn't warm to her in person. There was no connection, no sense of interest in other human beings.
If I voted for her, it would only be on the basis that Donald Trump would be even worse. (And I can't vote as I'm not American.)0 -
If Trump-Pence loses so does Pence's chances of being president, no losing VP candidate has ever won their party's nomination at the subsequent election since WW2Speedy said:
Pence is going for 2020, if he abandons Trump he will lose the gains he made by appearing loyal to his party and a better persona than Trump.Y0kel said:There is more to come on Trump.
A while back I said that a key figure for pressure from those in the GOP opposed to Trump was Mike Pence. Basically pressure him into jumping ship late on.
I wonder if they are working on it now?
The daily contrast between the incompetence and crass of Trump makes Pence look like JFK in waiting, the VP debate showed it clearly.0 -
I suspect Tony Blair brings in more in revenue (for himself) every year than the LibDems do in total donations.Speedy said:
Not worth the read.rcs1000 said:By the way, I assume everyone has seen the story about Tony Blair considering a return to front line politics: https://www.ft.com/content/f5b14190-8c7b-11e6-8aa5-f79f5696c731
He will rival the LD for insignificance, minus the 8 MP's they got.0 -
I don't trust FOX, Reuters, Marist and Rassmussen polls.619 said:
decent for Trump but looks like an outlier. Be interested to see if the other polls show that.HYUFD said:Fox national Clinton 44% Trump 42% Johnson 6% Stein 2%. 70% of Trump backers support him 'strongly' 57% of Clinton supporters support her 'strongly'
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/07/fox-news-poll-clinton-edges-trump-by-two-points-one-month-ahead-election.html
My average daily tracking poll has Trump slumping every day since Oct.1st, like a rug was pulled under him, or like the republican voters collectively said ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
Hillary is barely moving at just under 47% as usual.0 -
I doubt it, most of his core supporters will not have done much different themselves and the main people who will be offended will be feminist women who are already behind Hillary anyway619 said:
i think pussygate is really going to screw him over now. all over the news, everyone is talking about it.HYUFD said:
The post VP debate polls are generally showing it tighter619 said:
decent for Trump but looks like an outlier. Be interested to see if the other polls show that.HYUFD said:Fox national Clinton 44% Trump 42% Johnson 6% Stein 2%. 70% of Trump backers support him 'strongly' 57% of Clinton supporters support her 'strongly'
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/07/fox-news-poll-clinton-edges-trump-by-two-points-one-month-ahead-election.html0 -
Pence won and both Rasmussen and now Fox have seen their polls tighten in the aftermathRobD said:
Can't see why the VP debate would move anythingHYUFD said:
The post VP debate polls are generally showing it tighter619 said:
decent for Trump but looks like an outlier. Be interested to see if the other polls show that.HYUFD said:Fox national Clinton 44% Trump 42% Johnson 6% Stein 2%. 70% of Trump backers support him 'strongly' 57% of Clinton supporters support her 'strongly'
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/07/fox-news-poll-clinton-edges-trump-by-two-points-one-month-ahead-election.html0 -
I was joking... but after his triumphant performance in the referendum campanign, surely looking after Tony Blair is his next "challenge".FrancisUrquhart said:
LOL...would could possibly go wrong. Aren't the plod investigating him?rcs1000 said:
Will Straw has signed up as campaign director.Black_Rook said:
These rumours have been circulating all day. Quite how he would go about it - and how many people would be willing to listen to him if he did - God alone knows.rcs1000 said:By the way, I assume everyone has seen the story about Tony Blair considering a return to front line politics: https://www.ft.com/content/f5b14190-8c7b-11e6-8aa5-f79f5696c731
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"Germany to bar EU migrants claiming benefits
A draft bill would see EU migrants who move to Germany denied "Hartz IV" unemployment and welfare benefits for five years."
http://europe.newsweek.com/germany-benefits-eu-migrants-crackdown-angela-merkel-5072810 -
Watching form a far on tv, the Clinton-Bot-2000 always comes across as incapable of showing much genuine enthusiasm for engaging with other people. From your limited personal experience, it sounds like it isn't even a matter of the basement dwellers vs the people she is more used to encountered on a daily basis.rcs1000 said:
She's clearly very bright.FrancisUrquhart said:
And what was your impression of Hiliary "You Know" Clinton, other than she says "You Know" more often than a teenager?rcs1000 said:
I think it's a bit more complicated than that.MTimT said:
No, she was paid $250k a pop for future political influence.FrancisUrquhart said:
She was paid $250k a pop for that "you know, you know" infested drivel?619 said:Wikileaks releases emails to help trump
all a bit boring and isnt going to stop pussy gate i feel
https://www.buzzfeed.com/rubycramer/wikileaks-appears-to-release-hillary-clintons-paid-speech-tr?utm_term=.xbmbAWQ3V#.sh7Jb6aLg
About two years ago I met with Hillary Clinton.
Why?
Because I am a fund manager and went to Sandford Bernstein's "Strategic Decisions Conference" in New York. Hillary gave a speech, and then spend about three hours doing little sit downs with three or four investors for 15 minutes apiece.
Sandford Bernstein - a big US broker - gave 1,000 of its investors the chance to hear Hillary, and 50 of them a chance to sit down and chat with her. That's a pretty good way of encouraging investors to do business with Sandford Bernstein. And I'd bet they got more than $250,000 of business from it.
But I didn't warm to her in person. There was no connection, no sense of interest in other human beings.
If I voted for her, it would only be on the basis that Donald Trump would be even worse. (And I can't vote as I'm not American.)
Where as Trump has plenty of enthusiasm for engaging with other people...trying to impress other people of just how fabulous he is.0 -
Care to elaborate on that?SeanT said:Bloody hell
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You are surely right that it won't change many minds. The US is already highly polarized.HYUFD said:
I doubt it, most of his core supporters will not have done much different themselves and the main people who will be offended will be feminist women who are already behind Hillary anyway619 said:
i think pussygate is really going to screw him over now. all over the news, everyone is talking about it.HYUFD said:
The post VP debate polls are generally showing it tighter619 said:
decent for Trump but looks like an outlier. Be interested to see if the other polls show that.HYUFD said:Fox national Clinton 44% Trump 42% Johnson 6% Stein 2%. 70% of Trump backers support him 'strongly' 57% of Clinton supporters support her 'strongly'
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/07/fox-news-poll-clinton-edges-trump-by-two-points-one-month-ahead-election.html
But it's all part of a drip, drip about Donald Trump's suitability to become President. And small things add up. If a few tens of middle class Republican women in Nevada or New Hampshire decide not to go to the polls in a month's time, it could result in quite a few electoral votes ending up in Hillary's column.0 -
yeah, he has massive women problem. this doesnt helprcs1000 said:
You are surely right that it won't change many minds. The US is already highly polarized.HYUFD said:
I doubt it, most of his core supporters will not have done much different themselves and the main people who will be offended will be feminist women who are already behind Hillary anyway619 said:
i think pussygate is really going to screw him over now. all over the news, everyone is talking about it.HYUFD said:
The post VP debate polls are generally showing it tighter619 said:
decent for Trump but looks like an outlier. Be interested to see if the other polls show that.HYUFD said:Fox national Clinton 44% Trump 42% Johnson 6% Stein 2%. 70% of Trump backers support him 'strongly' 57% of Clinton supporters support her 'strongly'
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/07/fox-news-poll-clinton-edges-trump-by-two-points-one-month-ahead-election.html
But it's all part of a drip, drip about Donald Trump's suitability to become President. And small things add up. If a few tens of middle class Republican women in Nevada or New Hampshire decide not to go to the polls in a month's time, it could result in quite a few electoral votes ending up in Hillary's column.0 -
Nixon?HYUFD said:
If Trump-Pence loses so does Pence's chances of being president, no losing VP candidate has ever won their party's nomination at the subsequent election since WW2Speedy said:
Pence is going for 2020, if he abandons Trump he will lose the gains he made by appearing loyal to his party and a better persona than Trump.Y0kel said:There is more to come on Trump.
A while back I said that a key figure for pressure from those in the GOP opposed to Trump was Mike Pence. Basically pressure him into jumping ship late on.
I wonder if they are working on it now?
The daily contrast between the incompetence and crass of Trump makes Pence look like JFK in waiting, the VP debate showed it clearly.0 -
Eminently sensible, and I expect that countries across the EU will all change to bar migrants from claiming benefits. One of the curious side effects of Brexit*.AndyJS said:"Germany to bar EU migrants claiming benefits
A draft bill would see EU migrants who move to Germany denied "Hartz IV" unemployment and welfare benefits for five years."
http://europe.newsweek.com/germany-benefits-eu-migrants-crackdown-angela-merkel-507281
* For the record, I think the UK could have easily instituted an effective bar on EU citizens claiming benefits.0 -
Progress Party.Malmesbury said:
I would imagine that he would have a great deal of trouble getting to be a Labour candidate (essentially impossible). No other party would touch him.rcs1000 said:By the way, I assume everyone has seen the story about Tony Blair considering a return to front line politics: https://www.ft.com/content/f5b14190-8c7b-11e6-8aa5-f79f5696c731
Some kind of weird think tank thing which involves someone paying lots of money into the Blair Foundation, in return for the occasional speech?0 -
are they? Or is the hurricane taking all the news?619 said:
i think pussygate is really going to screw him over now. all over the news, everyone is talking about it.HYUFD said:
The post VP debate polls are generally showing it tighter619 said:
decent for Trump but looks like an outlier. Be interested to see if the other polls show that.HYUFD said:Fox national Clinton 44% Trump 42% Johnson 6% Stein 2%. 70% of Trump backers support him 'strongly' 57% of Clinton supporters support her 'strongly'
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/07/fox-news-poll-clinton-edges-trump-by-two-points-one-month-ahead-election.html0 -
Surely Blair is just trying to frighten Labour into heading him off by working towards a new non-Corbyn leader?Jobabob said:
That's the weak point in the planwilliamglenn said:
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I remember a particularly prominent poster used to bang on about Cameron's massive women problem...whatever ever happened to him and that David Cameron?
However, unlike the mythical Cameron women problem, it is clear The Donald is in big big doo doo before this latest helpful find by the media.0 -
I think Pence has serious chances of getting the nomination in 2020 for the following reasons:HYUFD said:
If Trump-Pence loses so does Pence's chances of being president, no losing VP candidate has ever won their party's nomination at the subsequent election since WW2Speedy said:
Pence is going for 2020, if he abandons Trump he will lose the gains he made by appearing loyal to his party and a better persona than Trump.Y0kel said:There is more to come on Trump.
A while back I said that a key figure for pressure from those in the GOP opposed to Trump was Mike Pence. Basically pressure him into jumping ship late on.
I wonder if they are working on it now?
The daily contrast between the incompetence and crass of Trump makes Pence look like JFK in waiting, the VP debate showed it clearly.
1. He is a loyal Republican, unlike Ted Cruz or John Kasich.
2. He can claim inheritance of the Trump movement but without Trump.
3. Pence has proved to be capable, sensible and a winner on the debate stage.
4. After 4 years of Hillary people will beg for morality, decency and a capable person, that spells Pence.
5. Unlike the others Pence was never humiliated by being defeated by Trump in a primary.
He has only 2 big problems:
A. Staying in the limelight for the next 4 years.
B. Paul Ryan may want to run, he would probably be his only rival if he does.0 -
Blimey, who knows. 4 years is a very long time in US politics. There's as likely to be some Governor somewhere who we have probably never even heard of who'll run and win.Speedy said:
I think Pence has serious chances of getting the nomination in 2020 for the following reasons:HYUFD said:
If Trump-Pence loses so does Pence's chances of being president, no losing VP candidate has ever won their party's nomination at the subsequent election since WW2Speedy said:
Pence is going for 2020, if he abandons Trump he will lose the gains he made by appearing loyal to his party and a better persona than Trump.Y0kel said:There is more to come on Trump.
A while back I said that a key figure for pressure from those in the GOP opposed to Trump was Mike Pence. Basically pressure him into jumping ship late on.
I wonder if they are working on it now?
The daily contrast between the incompetence and crass of Trump makes Pence look like JFK in waiting, the VP debate showed it clearly.
1. He is a loyal Republican, unlike Ted Cruz or John Kasich.
2. He can claim inheritance of the Trump movement but without Trump.
3. Pence has proved to be capable, sensible and a winner on the debate stage.
4. After 4 years of Hillary people will beg for morality, decency and a capable person, that spells Pence.
5. Unlike the others Pence was never humiliated by being defeated by Trump in a primary.
He has only 2 big problems:
A. Staying in the limelight for the next 4 years.
B. Paul Ryan may want to run, he would probably be his only rival if he does.0 -
To kick the ball rolling:rottenborough said:
Blimey, who knows. 4 years is a very long time in US politics. There's as likely to be some Governor somewhere who we have probably never even heard of who'll run and win.Speedy said:
I think Pence has serious chances of getting the nomination in 2020 for the following reasons:HYUFD said:
If Trump-Pence loses so does Pence's chances of being president, no losing VP candidate has ever won their party's nomination at the subsequent election since WW2Speedy said:
Pence is going for 2020, if he abandons Trump he will lose the gains he made by appearing loyal to his party and a better persona than Trump.Y0kel said:There is more to come on Trump.
A while back I said that a key figure for pressure from those in the GOP opposed to Trump was Mike Pence. Basically pressure him into jumping ship late on.
I wonder if they are working on it now?
The daily contrast between the incompetence and crass of Trump makes Pence look like JFK in waiting, the VP debate showed it clearly.
1. He is a loyal Republican, unlike Ted Cruz or John Kasich.
2. He can claim inheritance of the Trump movement but without Trump.
3. Pence has proved to be capable, sensible and a winner on the debate stage.
4. After 4 years of Hillary people will beg for morality, decency and a capable person, that spells Pence.
5. Unlike the others Pence was never humiliated by being defeated by Trump in a primary.
He has only 2 big problems:
A. Staying in the limelight for the next 4 years.
B. Paul Ryan may want to run, he would probably be his only rival if he does.
https://twitter.com/MorningConsult/status/7843773011819233290 -
I dunno, Eisenhower was the first U.S. president constitutionally prevented from running for re-election, having served the newly instigated maximum two terms. So his VP didn't lose presumably?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Nixon?HYUFD said:
If Trump-Pence loses so does Pence's chances of being president, no losing VP candidate has ever won their party's nomination at the subsequent election since WW2Speedy said:
Pence is going for 2020, if he abandons Trump he will lose the gains he made by appearing loyal to his party and a better persona than Trump.Y0kel said:There is more to come on Trump.
A while back I said that a key figure for pressure from those in the GOP opposed to Trump was Mike Pence. Basically pressure him into jumping ship late on.
I wonder if they are working on it now?
The daily contrast between the incompetence and crass of Trump makes Pence look like JFK in waiting, the VP debate showed it clearly.0 -
Ryan will stay as speaker, Pence will fade by 2020 and he does not have the presence to be president. Both Ryan and Pence will have been on losing tickets by 2020 if Trump-Pence loses, Cruz will not and will be the one to beatSpeedy said:
I think Pence has serious chances of getting the nomination in 2020 for the following reasons:HYUFD said:
If Trump-Pence loses so does Pence's chances of being president, no losing VP candidate has ever won their party's nomination at the subsequent election since WW2Speedy said:
Pence is going for 2020, if he abandons Trump he will lose the gains he made by appearing loyal to his party and a better persona than Trump.Y0kel said:There is more to come on Trump.
A while back I said that a key figure for pressure from those in the GOP opposed to Trump was Mike Pence. Basically pressure him into jumping ship late on.
I wonder if they are working on it now?
The daily contrast between the incompetence and crass of Trump makes Pence look like JFK in waiting, the VP debate showed it clearly.
1. He is a loyal Republican, unlike Ted Cruz or John Kasich.
2. He can claim inheritance of the Trump movement but without Trump.
3. Pence has proved to be capable, sensible and a winner on the debate stage.
4. After 4 years of Hillary people will beg for morality, decency and a capable person, that spells Pence.
5. Unlike the others Pence was never humiliated by being defeated by Trump in a primary.
He has only 2 big problems:
A. Staying in the limelight for the next 4 years.
B. Paul Ryan may want to run, he would probably be his only rival if he does.0 -
Are you in deepest darkest Devon ala Bovey Tracey?SeanT said:
Best not. Big evening. Ooof.FrancisUrquhart said:
Care to elaborate on that?SeanT said:Bloody hell
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Nixon was a winning VP with IKE, he lost in 1960 as the presidential nomineeSunil_Prasannan said:
Nixon?HYUFD said:
If Trump-Pence loses so does Pence's chances of being president, no losing VP candidate has ever won their party's nomination at the subsequent election since WW2Speedy said:
Pence is going for 2020, if he abandons Trump he will lose the gains he made by appearing loyal to his party and a better persona than Trump.Y0kel said:There is more to come on Trump.
A while back I said that a key figure for pressure from those in the GOP opposed to Trump was Mike Pence. Basically pressure him into jumping ship late on.
I wonder if they are working on it now?
The daily contrast between the incompetence and crass of Trump makes Pence look like JFK in waiting, the VP debate showed it clearly.0 -
Middle class women who would have been offended by this type of thing will have switched to Hillary long ago anywayrcs1000 said:
You are surely right that it won't change many minds. The US is already highly polarized.HYUFD said:
I doubt it, most of his core supporters will not have done much different themselves and the main people who will be offended will be feminist women who are already behind Hillary anyway619 said:
i think pussygate is really going to screw him over now. all over the news, everyone is talking about it.HYUFD said:
The post VP debate polls are generally showing it tighter619 said:
decent for Trump but looks like an outlier. Be interested to see if the other polls show that.HYUFD said:Fox national Clinton 44% Trump 42% Johnson 6% Stein 2%. 70% of Trump backers support him 'strongly' 57% of Clinton supporters support her 'strongly'
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/07/fox-news-poll-clinton-edges-trump-by-two-points-one-month-ahead-election.html
But it's all part of a drip, drip about Donald Trump's suitability to become President. And small things add up. If a few tens of middle class Republican women in Nevada or New Hampshire decide not to go to the polls in a month's time, it could result in quite a few electoral votes ending up in Hillary's column.0 -
Name recognition.Speedy said:
To kick the ball rolling:rottenborough said:
Blimey, who knows. 4 years is a very long time in US politics. There's as likely to be some Governor somewhere who we have probably never even heard of who'll run and win.Speedy said:
I think Pence has serious chances of getting the nomination in 2020 for the following reasons:HYUFD said:
If Trump-Pence loses so does Pence's chances of being president, no losing VP candidate has ever won their party's nomination at the subsequent election since WW2Speedy said:
Pence is going for 2020, if he abandons Trump he will lose the gains he made by appearing loyal to his party and a better persona than Trump.Y0kel said:There is more to come on Trump.
A while back I said that a key figure for pressure from those in the GOP opposed to Trump was Mike Pence. Basically pressure him into jumping ship late on.
I wonder if they are working on it now?
The daily contrast between the incompetence and crass of Trump makes Pence look like JFK in waiting, the VP debate showed it clearly.
1. He is a loyal Republican, unlike Ted Cruz or John Kasich.
2. He can claim inheritance of the Trump movement but without Trump.
3. Pence has proved to be capable, sensible and a winner on the debate stage.
4. After 4 years of Hillary people will beg for morality, decency and a capable person, that spells Pence.
5. Unlike the others Pence was never humiliated by being defeated by Trump in a primary.
He has only 2 big problems:
A. Staying in the limelight for the next 4 years.
B. Paul Ryan may want to run, he would probably be his only rival if he does.
https://twitter.com/MorningConsult/status/7843773011819233290 -
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Among Republicans only Pence gets 22%, Ryan and Trump get 13% each.rottenborough said:
Name recognition.Speedy said:
To kick the ball rolling:rottenborough said:
Blimey, who knows. 4 years is a very long time in US politics. There's as likely to be some Governor somewhere who we have probably never even heard of who'll run and win.Speedy said:
I think Pence has serious chances of getting the nomination in 2020 for the following reasons:HYUFD said:
If Trump-Pence loses so does Pence's chances of being president, no losing VP candidate has ever won their party's nomination at the subsequent election since WW2Speedy said:
Pence is going for 2020, if he abandons Trump he will lose the gains he made by appearing loyal to his party and a better persona than Trump.Y0kel said:There is more to come on Trump.
A while back I said that a key figure for pressure from those in the GOP opposed to Trump was Mike Pence. Basically pressure him into jumping ship late on.
I wonder if they are working on it now?
The daily contrast between the incompetence and crass of Trump makes Pence look like JFK in waiting, the VP debate showed it clearly.
1. He is a loyal Republican, unlike Ted Cruz or John Kasich.
2. He can claim inheritance of the Trump movement but without Trump.
3. Pence has proved to be capable, sensible and a winner on the debate stage.
4. After 4 years of Hillary people will beg for morality, decency and a capable person, that spells Pence.
5. Unlike the others Pence was never humiliated by being defeated by Trump in a primary.
He has only 2 big problems:
A. Staying in the limelight for the next 4 years.
B. Paul Ryan may want to run, he would probably be his only rival if he does.
https://twitter.com/MorningConsult/status/784377301181923329
But you can see why being the competent VP candidate next to the incompetent P candidate helps in the future.0 -
Every single one? There won't be a single woman who decides not to go to the polling booth because she thinks Trump is a scumbag?HYUFD said:
Middle class women who would have been offended by this type of thing will have switched to Hillary long ago anywayrcs1000 said:
You are surely right that it won't change many minds. The US is already highly polarized.HYUFD said:
I doubt it, most of his core supporters will not have done much different themselves and the main people who will be offended will be feminist women who are already behind Hillary anyway619 said:
i think pussygate is really going to screw him over now. all over the news, everyone is talking about it.HYUFD said:
The post VP debate polls are generally showing it tighter619 said:
decent for Trump but looks like an outlier. Be interested to see if the other polls show that.HYUFD said:Fox national Clinton 44% Trump 42% Johnson 6% Stein 2%. 70% of Trump backers support him 'strongly' 57% of Clinton supporters support her 'strongly'
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/07/fox-news-poll-clinton-edges-trump-by-two-points-one-month-ahead-election.html
But it's all part of a drip, drip about Donald Trump's suitability to become President. And small things add up. If a few tens of middle class Republican women in Nevada or New Hampshire decide not to go to the polls in a month's time, it could result in quite a few electoral votes ending up in Hillary's column.0 -
Yes of course!HYUFD said:
Nixon was a winning VP with IKE, he lost in 1960 as the presidential nomineeSunil_Prasannan said:
Nixon?HYUFD said:
If Trump-Pence loses so does Pence's chances of being president, no losing VP candidate has ever won their party's nomination at the subsequent election since WW2Speedy said:
Pence is going for 2020, if he abandons Trump he will lose the gains he made by appearing loyal to his party and a better persona than Trump.Y0kel said:There is more to come on Trump.
A while back I said that a key figure for pressure from those in the GOP opposed to Trump was Mike Pence. Basically pressure him into jumping ship late on.
I wonder if they are working on it now?
The daily contrast between the incompetence and crass of Trump makes Pence look like JFK in waiting, the VP debate showed it clearly.0 -
There might not be a single man prepared to go to the polling booth to vote for trump if the sexual assault allegations get darker.rcs1000 said:
Every single one? There won't be a single woman who decides not to go to the polling booth because she thinks Trump is a scumbag?HYUFD said:
Middle class women who would have been offended by this type of thing will have switched to Hillary long ago anywayrcs1000 said:
You are surely right that it won't change many minds. The US is already highly polarized.HYUFD said:
I doubt it, most of his core supporters will not have done much different themselves and the main people who will be offended will be feminist women who are already behind Hillary anyway619 said:
i think pussygate is really going to screw him over now. all over the news, everyone is talking about it.HYUFD said:
The post VP debate polls are generally showing it tighter619 said:
decent for Trump but looks like an outlier. Be interested to see if the other polls show that.HYUFD said:Fox national Clinton 44% Trump 42% Johnson 6% Stein 2%. 70% of Trump backers support him 'strongly' 57% of Clinton supporters support her 'strongly'
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/07/fox-news-poll-clinton-edges-trump-by-two-points-one-month-ahead-election.html
But it's all part of a drip, drip about Donald Trump's suitability to become President. And small things add up. If a few tens of middle class Republican women in Nevada or New Hampshire decide not to go to the polls in a month's time, it could result in quite a few electoral votes ending up in Hillary's column.0 -
Can you imagine the Town Hall questions towards Trump ?rcs1000 said:
Every single one? There won't be a single woman who decides not to go to the polling booth because she thinks Trump is a scumbag?HYUFD said:
Middle class women who would have been offended by this type of thing will have switched to Hillary long ago anywayrcs1000 said:
You are surely right that it won't change many minds. The US is already highly polarized.HYUFD said:
I doubt it, most of his core supporters will not have done much different themselves and the main people who will be offended will be feminist women who are already behind Hillary anyway619 said:
i think pussygate is really going to screw him over now. all over the news, everyone is talking about it.HYUFD said:
The post VP debate polls are generally showing it tighter619 said:
decent for Trump but looks like an outlier. Be interested to see if the other polls show that.HYUFD said:Fox national Clinton 44% Trump 42% Johnson 6% Stein 2%. 70% of Trump backers support him 'strongly' 57% of Clinton supporters support her 'strongly'
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/07/fox-news-poll-clinton-edges-trump-by-two-points-one-month-ahead-election.html
But it's all part of a drip, drip about Donald Trump's suitability to become President. And small things add up. If a few tens of middle class Republican women in Nevada or New Hampshire decide not to go to the polls in a month's time, it could result in quite a few electoral votes ending up in Hillary's column.
Especially from women ?0 -
He better get practicing his apologies....Speedy said:
Can you imagine the Town Hall question towards Trump ?rcs1000 said:
Every single one? There won't be a single woman who decides not to go to the polling booth because she thinks Trump is a scumbag?HYUFD said:
Middle class women who would have been offended by this type of thing will have switched to Hillary long ago anywayrcs1000 said:
You are surely right that it won't change many minds. The US is already highly polarized.HYUFD said:
I doubt it, most of his core supporters will not have done much different themselves and the main people who will be offended will be feminist women who are already behind Hillary anyway619 said:
i think pussygate is really going to screw him over now. all over the news, everyone is talking about it.HYUFD said:
The post VP debate polls are generally showing it tighter619 said:
decent for Trump but looks like an outlier. Be interested to see if the other polls show that.HYUFD said:Fox national Clinton 44% Trump 42% Johnson 6% Stein 2%. 70% of Trump backers support him 'strongly' 57% of Clinton supporters support her 'strongly'
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/07/fox-news-poll-clinton-edges-trump-by-two-points-one-month-ahead-election.html
But it's all part of a drip, drip about Donald Trump's suitability to become President. And small things add up. If a few tens of middle class Republican women in Nevada or New Hampshire decide not to go to the polls in a month's time, it could result in quite a few electoral votes ending up in Hillary's column.
Especially from women ?0 -
Pa
Palin was hot favourite in early 2012 polling, in the end it went to the losing runner-up, RomneySpeedy said:
To kick the ball rolling:rottenborough said:
Blimey, who knows. 4 years is a very long time in US politics. There's as likely to be some Governor somewhere who we have probably never even heard of who'll run and win.Speedy said:
I think Pence has serious chances of getting the nomination in 2020 for the following reasons:HYUFD said:
If Trump-Pence loses so does Pence's chances of being president, no losing VP candidate has ever won their party's nomination at the subsequent election since WW2Speedy said:
Pence is going for 2020, if he abandons Trump he will lose the gains he made by appearing loyal to his party and a better persona than Trump.Y0kel said:There is more to come on Trump.
A while back I said that a key figure for pressure from those in the GOP opposed to Trump was Mike Pence. Basically pressure him into jumping ship late on.
I wonder if they are working on it now?
The daily contrast between the incompetence and crass of Trump makes Pence look like JFK in waiting, the VP debate showed it clearly.
1. He is a loyal Republican, unlike Ted Cruz or John Kasich.
2. He can claim inheritance of the Trump movement but without Trump.
3. Pence has proved to be capable, sensible and a winner on the debate stage.
4. After 4 years of Hillary people will beg for morality, decency and a capable person, that spells Pence.
5. Unlike the others Pence was never humiliated by being defeated by Trump in a primary.
He has only 2 big problems:
A. Staying in the limelight for the next 4 years.
B. Paul Ryan may want to run, he would probably be his only rival if he does.
https://twitter.com/MorningConsult/status/7843773011819233290 -
Feeling tempted tonight to put a huge wager on Clinton winning. 1.37 at moment.Pong said:
There might not be a single man prepared to go to the polling booth to vote for trump if the sexual assault allegations get darker.rcs1000 said:
Every single one? There won't be a single woman who decides not to go to the polling booth because she thinks Trump is a scumbag?HYUFD said:
Middle class women who would have been offended by this type of thing will have switched to Hillary long ago anywayrcs1000 said:
You are surely right that it won't change many minds. The US is already highly polarized.HYUFD said:
I doubt it, most of his core supporters will not have done much different themselves and the main people who will be offended will be feminist women who are already behind Hillary anyway619 said:
i think pussygate is really going to screw him over now. all over the news, everyone is talking about it.HYUFD said:
The post VP debate polls are generally showing it tighter619 said:
decent for Trump but looks like an outlier. Be interested to see if the other polls show that.HYUFD said:Fox national Clinton 44% Trump 42% Johnson 6% Stein 2%. 70% of Trump backers support him 'strongly' 57% of Clinton supporters support her 'strongly'
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/07/fox-news-poll-clinton-edges-trump-by-two-points-one-month-ahead-election.html
But it's all part of a drip, drip about Donald Trump's suitability to become President. And small things add up. If a few tens of middle class Republican women in Nevada or New Hampshire decide not to go to the polls in a month's time, it could result in quite a few electoral votes ending up in Hillary's column.0 -
I am sure Team Clinton will ensure it is asked...not like they have form on this kind of stuff. They are well oiled political machine is working through the gears.Speedy said:
Can you imagine the Town Hall questions towards Trump ?rcs1000 said:
Every single one? There won't be a single woman who decides not to go to the polling booth because she thinks Trump is a scumbag?HYUFD said:
Middle class women who would have been offended by this type of thing will have switched to Hillary long ago anywayrcs1000 said:
You are surely right that it won't change many minds. The US is already highly polarized.HYUFD said:
I doubt it, most of his core supporters will not have done much different themselves and the main people who will be offended will be feminist women who are already behind Hillary anyway619 said:
i think pussygate is really going to screw him over now. all over the news, everyone is talking about it.HYUFD said:
The post VP debate polls are generally showing it tighter619 said:
decent for Trump but looks like an outlier. Be interested to see if the other polls show that.HYUFD said:Fox national Clinton 44% Trump 42% Johnson 6% Stein 2%. 70% of Trump backers support him 'strongly' 57% of Clinton supporters support her 'strongly'
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/07/fox-news-poll-clinton-edges-trump-by-two-points-one-month-ahead-election.html
But it's all part of a drip, drip about Donald Trump's suitability to become President. And small things add up. If a few tens of middle class Republican women in Nevada or New Hampshire decide not to go to the polls in a month's time, it could result in quite a few electoral votes ending up in Hillary's column.
Especially from women ?0 -
But Trump is against practicing for debates.RobD said:
He better get practicing his apologies....Speedy said:
Can you imagine the Town Hall question towards Trump ?rcs1000 said:
Every single one? There won't be a single woman who decides not to go to the polling booth because she thinks Trump is a scumbag?HYUFD said:
Middle class women who would have been offended by this type of thing will have switched to Hillary long ago anywayrcs1000 said:
You are surely right that it won't change many minds. The US is already highly polarized.HYUFD said:
I doubt it, most of his core supporters will not have done much different themselves and the main people who will be offended will be feminist women who are already behind Hillary anyway619 said:
i think pussygate is really going to screw him over now. all over the news, everyone is talking about it.HYUFD said:
The post VP debate polls are generally showing it tighter619 said:
decent for Trump but looks like an outlier. Be interested to see if the other polls show that.HYUFD said:Fox national Clinton 44% Trump 42% Johnson 6% Stein 2%. 70% of Trump backers support him 'strongly' 57% of Clinton supporters support her 'strongly'
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/07/fox-news-poll-clinton-edges-trump-by-two-points-one-month-ahead-election.html
But it's all part of a drip, drip about Donald Trump's suitability to become President. And small things add up. If a few tens of middle class Republican women in Nevada or New Hampshire decide not to go to the polls in a month's time, it could result in quite a few electoral votes ending up in Hillary's column.
Especially from women ?
You can see where this will lead:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFyPJH8BR3o0
