Guys...what do you think is worse for the UK? Theresa May's intervention at the Tory party conference causing a run on sterling, or Jezza picking Abbott as Shadow Home Secretary?
A clue to the answer... one is meaningless nonsense, and one is destructive...and pushes the UK into the hinterland.
May's speech was well received by the Tory press. They always get it wrong.
O/T I think the yellow peril will fall short but by less than 2000 votes
I think the Tories will win by at least 5,000.
At least.
This is a solid blue seat.
I posted my forecasts a few days ago, but I'd reckon on the Conservatives in the high 40s, the LibDems hoovering up a lot of Labour support and doing a good job getting their vote out in a low turnout election (say 21%), Labour and UKIP on about 10% each, and the Greens retaining their deposit.
I'm going to make myself look extremely silly, but it wouldn't be the first time, so what the Hell: why does everybody seem automatically to assume that the Lib Dems are going to poll a decent, perhaps even strong, second place in this by-election? I know they've been having some good local council by-election results recently, but these are all over the shop in a variety of different seats and they haven't been making big strides everywhere. The local district council in this part of Oxfordshire currently has as many Labour members on it as LDs (though admittedly very few of each, compared with a great phalanx of Tories.)
Is there evidence emanating from this part of the world to suggest a major Lib Dem revival is on the cards, or are people simply thinking "southern seat + Tory Government = Lib Dem challenge," as if we were in the mid-1990s rather than the mid-2010s, and the Coalition and Corbynmania had never happened?
I think the Lib Dems could benefit from the area having voted Remain.
Do the Tories have a candidate yet? Are they a Brexiteer and if so a hard one or a soft one?
Robert Courts. Not sure if his Brexit credentials.
French to invest in new manufacturing plant in NW England.'
That will upset some headbangers,new investment was not going to happen.
So, is every single piece of individual investment in the UK post Brexit going to be viewed as overwhelming of the success of the vote. Morons....with a huge, great big capital M.
If I was Theresa I would be shitting my kecks...every time she opens up her trap there is another run on sterling.
Guys...what do you think is worse for the UK? Theresa May's intervention at the Tory party conference causing a run on sterling, or Jezza picking Abbott as Shadow Home Secretary?
A clue to the answer... one is meaningless nonsense, and one is destructive...and pushes the UK into the hinterland.
One is acting on the democratic will of the people, the other is a nobody outside the London leftie luvvy circle of marxists
Guys...what do you think is worse for the UK? Theresa May's intervention at the Tory party conference causing a run on sterling, or Jezza picking Abbott as Shadow Home Secretary?
A clue to the answer... one is meaningless nonsense, and one is destructive...and pushes the UK into the hinterland.
May's speech was well received by the Tory press. They always get it wrong.
It seems to me that the Government are losing the plot completely on immigration and Brexit. A large chunk of the anti-immigrant motivated vote in the referendum must have come from areas of the electorate that are never going to vote Conservative, and in areas where they have little prospect of winning seats. Furthermore, it is one thing to take into account public opinion on immigration, quite another to pander to it and even stoke it up to the extent that they have been. The amount of time they have spent having to "explain" and clarify their comments should be a warning sign. There was clearly a sizeable vote for Brexit who were not motivated by pulling up the drawbridge. It would also be electoral suicide to simply ignore the views of half the population just because they voted remain. They are potentially driving themselves into an electoral cul-de-sac with out an easy option to reverse.
Guys...what do you think is worse for the UK? Theresa May's intervention at the Tory party conference causing a run on sterling, or Jezza picking Abbott as Shadow Home Secretary?
A clue to the answer... one is meaningless nonsense, and one is destructive...and pushes the UK into the hinterland.
May's speech was well received by the Tory press. They always get it wrong.
It seems to me that the Government are losing the plot completely on immigration and Brexit. A large chunk of the anti-immigrant motivated vote in the referendum must have come from areas of the electorate that are never going to vote Conservative, and in areas where they have little prospect of winning seats. Furthermore, it is one thing to take into account public opinion on immigration, quite another to pander to it and even stoke it up to the extent that they have been. The amount of time they have spent having to "explain" and clarify their comments should be a warning sign. There was clearly a sizeable vote for Brexit who were not motivated by pulling up the drawbridge. It would also be electoral suicide to simply ignore the views of half the population just because they voted remain. They are potentially driving themselves into an electoral cul-de-sac with out an easy option to reverse.
Guys...what do you think is worse for the UK? Theresa May's intervention at the Tory party conference causing a run on sterling, or Jezza picking Abbott as Shadow Home Secretary?
A clue to the answer... one is meaningless nonsense, and one is destructive...and pushes the UK into the hinterland.
May's speech was well received by the Tory press. They always get it wrong.
What happened to the days when the Tories were at least the party of sensible economics? Halycon days indeed. When I was skint I didn't really give a toss and could be the lefty agitator to my hearts content. Now I have made something of my life, it comes as somewhat as a surprise that the Tories have morphed into ideological headbangers, and are more than happy to destroy the wealth and future of the country for an idea......
French to invest in new manufacturing plant in NW England.'
That will upset some headbangers,new investment was not going to happen.
So, is every single piece of individual investment in the UK post Brexit going to be viewed as overwhelming of the success of the vote. Morons....with a huge, great big capital M.
If I was Theresa I would be shitting my kecks...every time she opens up her trap there is another run on sterling.
Consider Liam Fox – pushing for such a hard Brexit that it was like a Viagra ad every time he opened his mouth – who declared (for the third time in a week) that the UK sold “tea to China, wine to France, and boomerangs to Australia”. Fox had taken the stage right after Leadsom, Britain’s luckiest escape, who had trilled wide-eyed: “We’re selling coffee to Brazil, sparkling wine to France and naan bread to India.” We were even, Andrea smiled excitedly, selling “bottled English countryside air for up to £80 a go”.
Look, no one wants to let daylight in on tragic. But even cursory research reveals that the coffee claim amounts to a very small hill of beans we import from Brazil, then process and export back to Brazil in a deal worth the titchiest fraction of the coffee we buy in. The boomerang triumph can be traced back to a single company in Leighton Buzzard whose own general manager is at pains to stress “Boomerangs are obviously not exactly a huge market”, while the naans-to-India bit is a reference to one baker in Dunstable who has invested in a factory outside Mumbai. Less than 2% of wine exported to France is English – around £940,000 worth – while we import £881m of the French stuff. Arguably, the crowning achievement of this vision of a post-Brexit trade bonanza is the guy selling the £80 jars of “fresh air” to the Chinese. He turns out to be a self-styled “air farmer” with a website so pretentious it reads like a Chris Morris hoax, and who will only admit to having flogged around 300 units of his nonsensical product.
So those are your big bucks post-Brexit beacons, ranging from a boomerang-maker who would very much like you to commute your expectations, to some hipster chancer who has sold fewer than 300 empty jars to Chinese ironists. What the hell do you say? Other than: is that the plan, secretaries of state? Please tell me that isn’t the actual plan, because if it is the plan, then I changed my mind. I want the blue pill. In the name of sweet oblivion, GIVE ME BACK THE FUCKING BLUE PILL.
Guys...what do you think is worse for the UK? Theresa May's intervention at the Tory party conference causing a run on sterling, or Jezza picking Abbott as Shadow Home Secretary?
A clue to the answer... one is meaningless nonsense, and one is destructive...and pushes the UK into the hinterland.
One is acting on the democratic will of the people, the other is a nobody outside the London leftie luvvy circle of marxists
I don't think you answered my question comrade....one is currently wrecking the future of the economy and one is laughable. Choose punk and make my day.....
Guys...what do you think is worse for the UK? Theresa May's intervention at the Tory party conference causing a run on sterling, or Jezza picking Abbott as Shadow Home Secretary?
A clue to the answer... one is meaningless nonsense, and one is destructive...and pushes the UK into the hinterland.
One is acting on the democratic will of the people, the other is a nobody outside the London leftie luvvy circle of marxists
I don't think you answered my question comrade....one is currently wrecking the future of the economy and one is laughable. Choose punk and make my day..... .
So tell me - how would you take us out of the EU - by a quick two year process with the obvious ups and downs or by fudge and delay creating more uncertainty.
French to invest in new manufacturing plant in NW England.'
That will upset some headbangers,new investment was not going to happen.
So, is every single piece of individual investment in the UK post Brexit going to be viewed as overwhelming of the success of the vote. Morons....with a huge, great big capital M.
If I was Theresa I would be shitting my kecks...every time she opens up her trap there is another run on sterling.
Look, no one wants to let daylight in on tragic. But even cursory research reveals that the coffee claim amounts to a very small hill of beans we import from Brazil, then process and export back to Brazil in a deal worth the titchiest fraction of the coffee we buy in. The boomerang triumph can be traced back to a single company in Leighton Buzzard whose own general manager is at pains to stress “Boomerangs are obviously not exactly a huge market”, while the naans-to-India bit is a reference to one baker in Dunstable who has invested in a factory outside Mumbai. Less than 2% of wine exported to France is English – around £940,000 worth – while we import £881m of the French stuff. Arguably, the crowning achievement of this vision of a post-Brexit trade bonanza is the guy selling the £80 jars of “fresh air” to the Chinese. He turns out to be a self-styled “air farmer” with a website so pretentious it reads like a Chris Morris hoax, and who will only admit to having flogged around 300 units of his nonsensical product.
So those are your big bucks post-Brexit beacons, ranging from a boomerang-maker who would very much like you to commute your expectations, to some hipster chancer who has sold fewer than 300 empty jars to Chinese ironists. What the hell do you say? Other than: is that the plan, secretaries of state? Please tell me that isn’t the actual plan, because if it is the plan, then I changed my mind. I want the blue pill. In the name of sweet oblivion, GIVE ME BACK THE FUCKING BLUE PILL.
Can I have a nibble of that blue pill too..........
Can we just say today sterling is trading at around 1.10 Euros.......... Well done Brexit. We are turning the UK into a third world country........ Cheap and cheerful....
It seems to me that the Government are losing the plot completely on immigration and Brexit. A large chunk of the anti-immigrant motivated vote in the referendum must have come from areas of the electorate that are never going to vote Conservative, and in areas where they have little prospect of winning seats. Furthermore, it is one thing to take into account public opinion on immigration, quite another to pander to it and even stoke it up to the extent that they have been. The amount of time they have spent having to "explain" and clarify their comments should be a warning sign. There was clearly a sizeable vote for Brexit who were not motivated by pulling up the drawbridge. It would also be electoral suicide to simply ignore the views of half the population just because they voted remain. They are potentially driving themselves into an electoral cul-de-sac with out an easy option to reverse.
The Conservatives are clearly ambitious. They think they can take seats like Stoke South, Newcastle under Lyme, NE Derbyshire off labour.
Guys...what do you think is worse for the UK? Theresa May's intervention at the Tory party conference causing a run on sterling, or Jezza picking Abbott as Shadow Home Secretary?
A clue to the answer... one is meaningless nonsense, and one is destructive...and pushes the UK into the hinterland.
May's speech was well received by the Tory press. They always get it wrong.
I'm not hugely fond of May's agenda. But, she's the only show in town.
Guys...what do you think is worse for the UK? Theresa May's intervention at the Tory party conference causing a run on sterling, or Jezza picking Abbott as Shadow Home Secretary?
A clue to the answer... one is meaningless nonsense, and one is destructive...and pushes the UK into the hinterland.
One is acting on the democratic will of the people, the other is a nobody outside the London leftie luvvy circle of marxists
I don't think you answered my question comrade....one is currently wrecking the future of the economy and one is laughable. Choose punk and make my day..... .
So tell me - how would you take us out of the EU - by a quick two year process with the obvious ups and downs or by fudge and delay creating more uncertainty.
Or maybe by just ignoring the will of the people
Considering we have singlehandedly managed to create an enemy of there entire EU...Hollande, Merkel, Junker, Tusk etc......all of them lining their guns against us, I would choose the option that is most pisses them off.....
" “I moved on her and I failed. I’ll admit it,” Trump is heard saying. It was unclear when the events he was describing took place. The tape was recorded several months after he married his third wife, Melania.
“Whoa,” another voice said.
“I did try and f--- her. She was married,” Trump says.
Trump continues: “And I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out furniture shopping. She wanted to get some furniture. I said, ‘I’ll show you where they have some nice furniture.’”
“I moved on her like a bitch, but I couldn’t get there. And she was married,” Trump says. “Then all of a sudden I see her, she’s now got the big phony tits and everything. She’s totally changed her look.” "
Guys...what do you think is worse for the UK? Theresa May's intervention at the Tory party conference causing a run on sterling, or Jezza picking Abbott as Shadow Home Secretary?
A clue to the answer... one is meaningless nonsense, and one is destructive...and pushes the UK into the hinterland.
One is acting on the democratic will of the people, the other is a nobody outside the London leftie luvvy circle of marxists
I don't think you answered my question comrade....one is currently wrecking the future of the economy and one is laughable. Choose punk and make my day..... .
So tell me - how would you take us out of the EU - by a quick two year process with the obvious ups and downs or by fudge and delay creating more uncertainty.
Or maybe by just ignoring the will of the people
Considering we have singlehandedly managed to create an enemy on there entire EU...Hollande, Merkel, Junker, Tusk etc......all of them lining their guns against us, I would choose the option that is most pisses them off.....
By the end of 2017, how many of those politicians you have just named will still be in post? Not saying that it makes much difference, but it's an interesting thought.
French to invest in new manufacturing plant in NW England.'
That will upset some headbangers,new investment was not going to happen.
So, is every single piece of individual investment in the UK post Brexit going to be viewed as overwhelming of the success of the vote. Morons....with a huge, great big capital M.
If I was Theresa I would be shitting my kecks...every time she opens up her trap there is another run on sterling.
Look, no one wants to let daylight in on tragic. But even cursory research reveals that the coffee claim amounts to a very small hill of beans we import from Brazil, then process and export back to Brazil in a deal worth the titchiest fraction of the coffee we buy in. The boomerang triumph can be traced back to a single company in Leighton Buzzard whose own general manager is at pains to stress “Boomerangs are obviously not exactly a huge market”, while the naans-to-India bit is a reference to one baker in Dunstable who has invested in a factory outside Mumbai. Less than 2% of wine exported to France is English – around £940,000 worth – while we import £881m of the French stuff. Arguably, the crowning achievement of this vision of a post-Brexit trade bonanza is the guy selling the £80 jars of “fresh air” to the Chinese. He turns out to be a self-styled “air farmer” with a website so pretentious it reads like a Chris Morris hoax, and who will only admit to having flogged around 300 units of his nonsensical product.
So those are your big bucks post-Brexit beacons, ranging from a boomerang-maker who would very much like you to commute your expectations, to some hipster chancer who has sold fewer than 300 empty jars to Chinese ironists. What the hell do you say? Other than: is that the plan, secretaries of state? Please tell me that isn’t the actual plan, because if it is the plan, then I changed my mind. I want the blue pill. In the name of sweet oblivion, GIVE ME BACK THE FUCKING BLUE PILL.
Can I have a nibble of that blue pill too..........
Can we just say today sterling is trading at around 1.10 Euros.......... Well done Brexit. We are turning the UK into a third world country........ Cheap and cheerful....
GDP per head is $41,000. Is that Third World?
I've been there, done that. I remember when leaving the ERM was supposed to be a catastrophe.
Guys...what do you think is worse for the UK? Theresa May's intervention at the Tory party conference causing a run on sterling, or Jezza picking Abbott as Shadow Home Secretary?
A clue to the answer... one is meaningless nonsense, and one is destructive...and pushes the UK into the hinterland.
One is acting on the democratic will of the people, the other is a nobody outside the London leftie luvvy circle of marxists
I don't think you answered my question comrade....one is currently wrecking the future of the economy and one is laughable. Choose punk and make my day..... .
So tell me - how would you take us out of the EU - by a quick two year process with the obvious ups and downs or by fudge and delay creating more uncertainty.
Or maybe by just ignoring the will of the people
Considering we have singlehandedly managed to create an enemy of there entire EU...Hollande, Merkel, Junker, Tusk etc......all of them lining their guns against us, I would choose the option that is most pisses them off.....
Yawn, they can either be grown up and make a deal with us that suits their exporters. Or they can go to hell.
It seems to me that the Government are losing the plot completely on immigration and Brexit. A large chunk of the anti-immigrant motivated vote in the referendum must have come from areas of the electorate that are never going to vote Conservative, and in areas where they have little prospect of winning seats. Furthermore, it is one thing to take into account public opinion on immigration, quite another to pander to it and even stoke it up to the extent that they have been. The amount of time they have spent having to "explain" and clarify their comments should be a warning sign. There was clearly a sizeable vote for Brexit who were not motivated by pulling up the drawbridge. It would also be electoral suicide to simply ignore the views of half the population just because they voted remain. They are potentially driving themselves into an electoral cul-de-sac with out an easy option to reverse.
The Conservatives are clearly ambitious. They think they can take seats like Stoke South, Newcastle under Lyme, NE Derbyshire off labour.
Ideally there should be some sort of opportunity for the LibDems to capitalise on this. The trouble is that they've hooked their agenda to the EU and opposing Brexit, when the sensible approach would have been to accept the likelihood of Brexit and focus on being the voice for the section of Brexit vote that was not primarily about immigration. Fair enough if a future opportunity arose for the possibility to avert Brexit then fine, but don't hook themselves to that now.
I know its off topic but Russia has passed into law today that it will have a permanent presence in Syria. Also they are looking at opening bases in Vietnam and Cuba and have told the US they will shoot down their planes over Syria. They have also threatened Finnish and UK airspace this week.
The US has demanded that the UN prosecute Russia and Syria for war crimes
Who wants to venture an opinion on how this will all end
" “I moved on her and I failed. I’ll admit it,” Trump is heard saying. It was unclear when the events he was describing took place. The tape was recorded several months after he married his third wife, Melania.
“Whoa,” another voice said.
“I did try and f--- her. She was married,” Trump says.
Trump continues: “And I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out furniture shopping. She wanted to get some furniture. I said, ‘I’ll show you where they have some nice furniture.’”
“I moved on her like a bitch, but I couldn’t get there. And she was married,” Trump says. “Then all of a sudden I see her, she’s now got the big phony tits and everything. She’s totally changed her look.” "
Will now Trump finally resign the nomination ?
Why would this terminate his nomination when suggesting he'd sleep with his daughter if she wasn't his daughter didn't?
I know its off topic but Russia has passed into law today that it will have a permanent presence in Syria. Also they are looking at opening bases in Vietnam and Cuba and have told the US they will shot down their planes over Syria. They have also threatened Finnish and UK airspace this week.
The US has demanded that the UN sight Russia and Syria for war crimes
Who wants to venture an opinion on how this will all end
Guys...what do you think is worse for the UK? Theresa May's intervention at the Tory party conference causing a run on sterling, or Jezza picking Abbott as Shadow Home Secretary?
A clue to the answer... one is meaningless nonsense, and one is destructive...and pushes the UK into the hinterland.
One is acting on the democratic will of the people, the other is a nobody outside the London leftie luvvy circle of marxists
I don't think you answered my question comrade....one is currently wrecking the future of the economy and one is laughable. Choose punk and make my day..... .
So tell me - how would you take us out of the EU - by a quick two year process with the obvious ups and downs or by fudge and delay creating more uncertainty.
Or maybe by just ignoring the will of the people
Considering we have singlehandedly managed to create an enemy of there entire EU...Hollande, Merkel, Junker, Tusk etc......all of them lining their guns against us, I would choose the option that is most pisses them off.....
Having a government ostensibly led by a pro-EU PM should have been an opportunity to keep things amicable, but the rhetoric, above all about listing foreign workers destroys any goodwill there might be.
It seems to me that the Government are losing the plot completely on immigration and Brexit. A large chunk of the anti-immigrant motivated vote in the referendum must have come from areas of the electorate that are never going to vote Conservative, and in areas where they have little prospect of winning seats. Furthermore, it is one thing to take into account public opinion on immigration, quite another to pander to it and even stoke it up to the extent that they have been. The amount of time they have spent having to "explain" and clarify their comments should be a warning sign. There was clearly a sizeable vote for Brexit who were not motivated by pulling up the drawbridge. It would also be electoral suicide to simply ignore the views of half the population just because they voted remain. They are potentially driving themselves into an electoral cul-de-sac with out an easy option to reverse.
Classic remainer comment ?
I agree "classic remainer comment" It amazes me that reaminers still haven't come to terms that the majority voted to leave. Its like those Japanese soldiers long after the war that continued hiding in the jungles....only to merge decades later.
I am sure in ten years time Paddy Pantsdown will emerge from a West country hostelry saying "We could have another referendum, and change this situation we left the EU eight years ago but we didn't really want to leave, it was all a ghastly plot/mistake. Even though we now in an economic boom, and the EU still has mass unemployment. VOTE REJOIN"
I know its off topic but Russia has passed into law today that it will have a permanent presence in Syria. Also they are looking at opening bases in Vietnam and Cuba and have told the US they will shoot down their planes over Syria. They have also threatened Finnish and UK airspace this week.
The US has demanded that the UN prosecute Russia and Syria for war crimes
Who wants to venture an opinion on how this will all end
" “I moved on her and I failed. I’ll admit it,” Trump is heard saying. It was unclear when the events he was describing took place. The tape was recorded several months after he married his third wife, Melania.
“Whoa,” another voice said.
“I did try and f--- her. She was married,” Trump says.
Trump continues: “And I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out furniture shopping. She wanted to get some furniture. I said, ‘I’ll show you where they have some nice furniture.’”
“I moved on her like a bitch, but I couldn’t get there. And she was married,” Trump says. “Then all of a sudden I see her, she’s now got the big phony tits and everything. She’s totally changed her look.” "
" “I moved on her and I failed. I’ll admit it,” Trump is heard saying. It was unclear when the events he was describing took place. The tape was recorded several months after he married his third wife, Melania.
“Whoa,” another voice said.
“I did try and f--- her. She was married,” Trump says.
Trump continues: “And I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out furniture shopping. She wanted to get some furniture. I said, ‘I’ll show you where they have some nice furniture.’”
“I moved on her like a bitch, but I couldn’t get there. And she was married,” Trump says. “Then all of a sudden I see her, she’s now got the big phony tits and everything. She’s totally changed her look.” "
Will now Trump finally resign the nomination ?
This was eleven years ago FFS.
Its almost as if Trump is doomed is a post brexit comfort blanket for one cohort here.
" “I moved on her and I failed. I’ll admit it,” Trump is heard saying. It was unclear when the events he was describing took place. The tape was recorded several months after he married his third wife, Melania.
“Whoa,” another voice said.
“I did try and f--- her. She was married,” Trump says.
Trump continues: “And I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out furniture shopping. She wanted to get some furniture. I said, ‘I’ll show you where they have some nice furniture.’”
“I moved on her like a bitch, but I couldn’t get there. And she was married,” Trump says. “Then all of a sudden I see her, she’s now got the big phony tits and everything. She’s totally changed her look.” "
Will now Trump finally resign the nomination ?
Why would this terminate his nomination when suggesting he'd sleep with his daughter if she wasn't his daughter didn't?
" “I moved on her and I failed. I’ll admit it,” Trump is heard saying. It was unclear when the events he was describing took place. The tape was recorded several months after he married his third wife, Melania.
“Whoa,” another voice said.
“I did try and f--- her. She was married,” Trump says.
Trump continues: “And I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out furniture shopping. She wanted to get some furniture. I said, ‘I’ll show you where they have some nice furniture.’”
“I moved on her like a bitch, but I couldn’t get there. And she was married,” Trump says. “Then all of a sudden I see her, she’s now got the big phony tits and everything. She’s totally changed her look.” "
Will now Trump finally resign the nomination ?
It's hardly news that Trump is a lecher.
With a married woman ? It's not that he tried to cheat on his third wife, it's also that he tried with a married woman.
Guys...what do you think is worse for the UK? Theresa May's intervention at the Tory party conference causing a run on sterling, or Jezza picking Abbott as Shadow Home Secretary?
A clue to the answer... one is meaningless nonsense, and one is destructive...and pushes the UK into the hinterland.
One is acting on the democratic will of the people, the other is a nobody outside the London leftie luvvy circle of marxists
I don't think you answered my question comrade....one is currently wrecking the future of the economy and one is laughable. Choose punk and make my day..... .
So tell me - how would you take us out of the EU - by a quick two year process with the obvious ups and downs or by fudge and delay creating more uncertainty.
Or maybe by just ignoring the will of the people
Considering we have singlehandedly managed to create an enemy of there entire EU...Hollande, Merkel, Junker, Tusk etc......all of them lining their guns against us, I would choose the option that is most pisses them off.....
The amazing thing is that all of them could be out of office within the year, indeed Hollande has no hope, there are demands for both Schultz and Juncker's heads from within the EU, Tusk is facing criminal charges, and as for Merkel who knows.
I know its off topic but Russia has passed into law today that it will have a permanent presence in Syria. Also they are looking at opening bases in Vietnam and Cuba and have told the US they will shoot down their planes over Syria. They have also threatened Finnish and UK airspace this week.
The US has demanded that the UN prosecute Russia and Syria for war crimes
Who wants to venture an opinion on how this will all end
If those governments wish to invite Russian troops in what business of anyone else is it?
" “I moved on her and I failed. I’ll admit it,” Trump is heard saying. It was unclear when the events he was describing took place. The tape was recorded several months after he married his third wife, Melania.
“Whoa,” another voice said.
“I did try and f--- her. She was married,” Trump says.
Trump continues: “And I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out furniture shopping. She wanted to get some furniture. I said, ‘I’ll show you where they have some nice furniture.’”
“I moved on her like a bitch, but I couldn’t get there. And she was married,” Trump says. “Then all of a sudden I see her, she’s now got the big phony tits and everything. She’s totally changed her look.” "
Will now Trump finally resign the nomination ?
Why would this terminate his nomination when suggesting he'd sleep with his daughter if she wasn't his daughter didn't?
Perhaps the woman he's talking about is Hillary.
Hillary would twitch a lot before passing out.....Maybe Bill would watch
It seems to me that the Government are losing the plot completely on immigration and Brexit. A large chunk of the anti-immigrant motivated vote in the referendum must have come from areas of the electorate that are never going to vote Conservative, and in areas where they have little prospect of winning seats. Furthermore, it is one thing to take into account public opinion on immigration, quite another to pander to it and even stoke it up to the extent that they have been. The amount of time they have spent having to "explain" and clarify their comments should be a warning sign. There was clearly a sizeable vote for Brexit who were not motivated by pulling up the drawbridge. It would also be electoral suicide to simply ignore the views of half the population just because they voted remain. They are potentially driving themselves into an electoral cul-de-sac with out an easy option to reverse.
Classic remainer comment ?
I agree "classic remainer comment" It amazes me that reaminers still haven't come to terms that the majority voted to leave. Its like those Japanese soldiers long after the war that continued hiding in the jungles....only to merge decades later.
I am sure in ten years time Paddy Pantsdown will emerge from a West country hostelry saying "We could have another referendum, and change this situation we left the EU eight years ago but we didn't really want to leave, it was all a ghastly plot/mistake. Even though we now in an economic boom, and the EU still has mass unemployment. VOTE REJOIN"
It's nothing to do with supporting or opposing remain. It's about the Government going far beyond what is acceptable in stirring up anti-foreigner sentiment. Remember when there were two visions of Brexit, supposedly articulated by the two rival Brexit campaign camps? Wonder what the likes of Dan Hannan are thinking at the moment?
" “I moved on her and I failed. I’ll admit it,” Trump is heard saying. It was unclear when the events he was describing took place. The tape was recorded several months after he married his third wife, Melania.
“Whoa,” another voice said.
“I did try and f--- her. She was married,” Trump says.
Trump continues: “And I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out furniture shopping. She wanted to get some furniture. I said, ‘I’ll show you where they have some nice furniture.’”
“I moved on her like a bitch, but I couldn’t get there. And she was married,” Trump says. “Then all of a sudden I see her, she’s now got the big phony tits and everything. She’s totally changed her look.” "
Will now Trump finally resign the nomination ?
whats even worse is that he is talking about ivanka here.
He issued a statement. Its just 'banter', bill clinton has said worse on the golf course and 'i apologise for any offence caused'.
" “I moved on her and I failed. I’ll admit it,” Trump is heard saying. It was unclear when the events he was describing took place. The tape was recorded several months after he married his third wife, Melania.
“Whoa,” another voice said.
“I did try and f--- her. She was married,” Trump says.
Trump continues: “And I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out furniture shopping. She wanted to get some furniture. I said, ‘I’ll show you where they have some nice furniture.’”
“I moved on her like a bitch, but I couldn’t get there. And she was married,” Trump says. “Then all of a sudden I see her, she’s now got the big phony tits and everything. She’s totally changed her look.” "
Will now Trump finally resign the nomination ?
This was eleven years ago FFS.
Its almost as if Trump is doomed is a post brexit comfort blanket for one cohort here.
" “I moved on her and I failed. I’ll admit it,” Trump is heard saying. It was unclear when the events he was describing took place. The tape was recorded several months after he married his third wife, Melania.
“Whoa,” another voice said.
“I did try and f--- her. She was married,” Trump says.
Trump continues: “And I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out furniture shopping. She wanted to get some furniture. I said, ‘I’ll show you where they have some nice furniture.’”
“I moved on her like a bitch, but I couldn’t get there. And she was married,” Trump says. “Then all of a sudden I see her, she’s now got the big phony tits and everything. She’s totally changed her look.” "
Will now Trump finally resign the nomination ?
It's hardly news that Trump is a lecher.
With a married woman ? It's not that he tried to cheat on his third wife, it's also that he tried with a married woman.
Liberals reacting like victorian old maids to moral impurity because it might help the liberal candidate win lol.
Edit - Im not having a go at you personally Speedy. It just happened to be your comments I picked up on.
" “I moved on her and I failed. I’ll admit it,” Trump is heard saying. It was unclear when the events he was describing took place. The tape was recorded several months after he married his third wife, Melania.
“Whoa,” another voice said.
“I did try and f--- her. She was married,” Trump says.
Trump continues: “And I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out furniture shopping. She wanted to get some furniture. I said, ‘I’ll show you where they have some nice furniture.’”
“I moved on her like a bitch, but I couldn’t get there. And she was married,” Trump says. “Then all of a sudden I see her, she’s now got the big phony tits and everything. She’s totally changed her look.” "
Will now Trump finally resign the nomination ?
Why would this terminate his nomination when suggesting he'd sleep with his daughter if she wasn't his daughter didn't?
" “I moved on her and I failed. I’ll admit it,” Trump is heard saying. It was unclear when the events he was describing took place. The tape was recorded several months after he married his third wife, Melania.
“Whoa,” another voice said.
“I did try and f--- her. She was married,” Trump says.
Trump continues: “And I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out furniture shopping. She wanted to get some furniture. I said, ‘I’ll show you where they have some nice furniture.’”
“I moved on her like a bitch, but I couldn’t get there. And she was married,” Trump says. “Then all of a sudden I see her, she’s now got the big phony tits and everything. She’s totally changed her look.” "
Will now Trump finally resign the nomination ?
It's hardly news that Trump is a lecher.
With a married woman ? It's not that he tried to cheat on his third wife, it's also that he tried with a married woman.
also, he says to kiss women and grab their pussy without asking.
It seems to me that the Government are losing the plot completely on immigration and Brexit. A large chunk of the anti-immigrant motivated vote in the referendum must have come from areas of the electorate that are never going to vote Conservative, and in areas where they have little prospect of winning seats. Furthermore, it is one thing to take into account public opinion on immigration, quite another to pander to it and even stoke it up to the extent that they have been. The amount of time they have spent having to "explain" and clarify their comments should be a warning sign. There was clearly a sizeable vote for Brexit who were not motivated by pulling up the drawbridge. It would also be electoral suicide to simply ignore the views of half the population just because they voted remain. They are potentially driving themselves into an electoral cul-de-sac with out an easy option to reverse.
Classic remainer comment ?
I agree "classic remainer comment" It amazes me that reaminers still haven't come to terms that the majority voted to leave. Its like those Japanese soldiers long after the war that continued hiding in the jungles....only to merge decades later.
I am sure in ten years time Paddy Pantsdown will emerge from a West country hostelry saying "We could have another referendum, and change this situation we left the EU eight years ago but we didn't really want to leave, it was all a ghastly plot/mistake. Even though we now in an economic boom, and the EU still has mass unemployment. VOTE REJOIN"
It's nothing to do with supporting or opposing remain. It's about the Government going far beyond what is acceptable in stirring up anti-foreigner sentiment.
Beyond what is acceptable to whom. The people or their liberal moral guardians?
" “I moved on her and I failed. I’ll admit it,” Trump is heard saying. It was unclear when the events he was describing took place. The tape was recorded several months after he married his third wife, Melania.
“Whoa,” another voice said.
“I did try and f--- her. She was married,” Trump says.
Trump continues: “And I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out furniture shopping. She wanted to get some furniture. I said, ‘I’ll show you where they have some nice furniture.’”
“I moved on her like a bitch, but I couldn’t get there. And she was married,” Trump says. “Then all of a sudden I see her, she’s now got the big phony tits and everything. She’s totally changed her look.” "
Will now Trump finally resign the nomination ?
It's hardly news that Trump is a lecher.
With a married woman ? It's not that he tried to cheat on his third wife, it's also that he tried with a married woman.
Liberals reacting like victorian old maids to moral impurity because it might help the liberal candidate win lol
But I'm not a Liberal, I don't like Liberals anymore, I think they are incompetent hypocrites, though I will admit in supporting and voting LD until the coalition was formed.
Guys...what do you think is worse for the UK? Theresa May's intervention at the Tory party conference causing a run on sterling, or Jezza picking Abbott as Shadow Home Secretary?
A clue to the answer... one is meaningless nonsense, and one is destructive...and pushes the UK into the hinterland.
One is acting on the democratic will of the people, the other is a nobody outside the London leftie luvvy circle of marxists
I don't think you answered my question comrade....one is currently wrecking the future of the economy and one is laughable. Choose punk and make my day..... .
So tell me - how would you take us out of the EU - by a quick two year process with the obvious ups and downs or by fudge and delay creating more uncertainty.
Or maybe by just ignoring the will of the people
Considering we have singlehandedly managed to create an enemy of there entire EU...Hollande, Merkel, Junker, Tusk etc......all of them lining their guns against us, I would choose the option that is most pisses them off.....
The amazing thing is that all of them could be out of office within the year, indeed Hollande has no hope, there are demands for both Schultz and Juncker's heads from within the EU, Tusk is facing criminal charges, and as for Merkel who knows.
Tusk, criminal charges?
Don't forget Renzi, he could be gone before Christmas.
" “I moved on her and I failed. I’ll admit it,” Trump is heard saying. It was unclear when the events he was describing took place. The tape was recorded several months after he married his third wife, Melania.
“Whoa,” another voice said.
“I did try and f--- her. She was married,” Trump says.
Trump continues: “And I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out furniture shopping. She wanted to get some furniture. I said, ‘I’ll show you where they have some nice furniture.’”
“I moved on her like a bitch, but I couldn’t get there. And she was married,” Trump says. “Then all of a sudden I see her, she’s now got the big phony tits and everything. She’s totally changed her look.” "
Will now Trump finally resign the nomination ?
Why would this terminate his nomination when suggesting he'd sleep with his daughter if she wasn't his daughter didn't?
" “I moved on her and I failed. I’ll admit it,” Trump is heard saying. It was unclear when the events he was describing took place. The tape was recorded several months after he married his third wife, Melania.
“Whoa,” another voice said.
“I did try and f--- her. She was married,” Trump says.
Trump continues: “And I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out furniture shopping. She wanted to get some furniture. I said, ‘I’ll show you where they have some nice furniture.’”
“I moved on her like a bitch, but I couldn’t get there. And she was married,” Trump says. “Then all of a sudden I see her, she’s now got the big phony tits and everything. She’s totally changed her look.” "
Will now Trump finally resign the nomination ?
It's hardly news that Trump is a lecher.
With a married woman ? It's not that he tried to cheat on his third wife, it's also that he tried with a married woman.
It seems to me that the Government are losing the plot completely on immigration and Brexit. A large chunk of the anti-immigrant motivated vote in the referendum must have come from areas of the electorate that are never going to vote Conservative, and in areas where they have little prospect of winning seats. Furthermore, it is one thing to take into account public opinion on immigration, quite another to pander to it and even stoke it up to the extent that they have been. The amount of time they have spent having to "explain" and clarify their comments should be a warning sign. There was clearly a sizeable vote for Brexit who were not motivated by pulling up the drawbridge. It would also be electoral suicide to simply ignore the views of half the population just because they voted remain. They are potentially driving themselves into an electoral cul-de-sac with out an easy option to reverse.
Classic remainer comment ?
I agree "classic remainer comment" It amazes me that reaminers still haven't come to terms that the majority voted to leave. Its like those Japanese soldiers long after the war that continued hiding in the jungles....only to merge decades later.
I am sure in ten years time Paddy Pantsdown will emerge from a West country hostelry saying "We could have another referendum, and change this situation we left the EU eight years ago but we didn't really want to leave, it was all a ghastly plot/mistake. Even though we now in an economic boom, and the EU still has mass unemployment. VOTE REJOIN"
It's nothing to do with supporting or opposing remain. It's about the Government going far beyond what is acceptable in stirring up anti-foreigner sentiment. Remember when there were two visions of Brexit, supposedly articulated by the two rival Brexit campaign camps? Wonder what the likes of Dan Hannan are thinking at the moment?
I don't believe the Government are stirring up anti foreigner sentiment. They are however seeing a large chunk available votes of peeps that are currently and have been for many years feeling disenfranchised and attempting to hoover up their votes.
" “I moved on her and I failed. I’ll admit it,” Trump is heard saying. It was unclear when the events he was describing took place. The tape was recorded several months after he married his third wife, Melania.
“Whoa,” another voice said.
“I did try and f--- her. She was married,” Trump says.
Trump continues: “And I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out furniture shopping. She wanted to get some furniture. I said, ‘I’ll show you where they have some nice furniture.’”
“I moved on her like a bitch, but I couldn’t get there. And she was married,” Trump says. “Then all of a sudden I see her, she’s now got the big phony tits and everything. She’s totally changed her look.” "
Will now Trump finally resign the nomination ?
This was eleven years ago FFS.
Its almost as if Trump is doomed is a post brexit comfort blanket for one cohort here.
and we know what a changed man he is by the last 7 days he spent calling a woman a fat pig who did a non-existent sex tape.
It seems to me that the Government are losing the plot completely on immigration and Brexit. A large chunk of the anti-immigrant motivated vote in the referendum must have come from areas of the electorate that are never going to vote Conservative, and in areas where they have little prospect of winning seats. Furthermore, it is one thing to take into account public opinion on immigration, quite another to pander to it and even stoke it up to the extent that they have been. The amount of time they have spent having to "explain" and clarify their comments should be a warning sign. There was clearly a sizeable vote for Brexit who were not motivated by pulling up the drawbridge. It would also be electoral suicide to simply ignore the views of half the population just because they voted remain. They are potentially driving themselves into an electoral cul-de-sac with out an easy option to reverse.
Classic remainer comment ?
I agree "classic remainer comment" It amazes me that reaminers still haven't come to terms that the majority voted to leave. Its like those Japanese soldiers long after the war that continued hiding in the jungles....only to merge decades later.
I am sure in ten years time Paddy Pantsdown will emerge from a West country hostelry saying "We could have another referendum, and change this situation we left the EU eight years ago but we didn't really want to leave, it was all a ghastly plot/mistake. Even though we now in an economic boom, and the EU still has mass unemployment. VOTE REJOIN"
It's nothing to do with supporting or opposing remain. It's about the Government going far beyond what is acceptable in stirring up anti-foreigner sentiment.
Beyond what is acceptable to whom. The people or their liberal moral guardians?
Question: when do you think it is acceptable for politicians to deliberately stir up anti-foreigner sentiment?
It seems to me that the Government are losing the plot completely on immigration and Brexit. A large chunk of the anti-immigrant motivated vote in the referendum must have come from areas of the electorate that are never going to vote Conservative, and in areas where they have little prospect of winning seats. Furthermore, it is one thing to take into account public opinion on immigration, quite another to pander to it and even stoke it up to the extent that they have been. The amount of time they have spent having to "explain" and clarify their comments should be a warning sign. There was clearly a sizeable vote for Brexit who were not motivated by pulling up the drawbridge. It would also be electoral suicide to simply ignore the views of half the population just because they voted remain. They are potentially driving themselves into an electoral cul-de-sac with out an easy option to reverse.
Classic remainer comment ?
I agree "classic remainer comment" It amazes me that reaminers still haven't come to terms that the majority voted to leave. Its like those Japanese soldiers long after the war that continued hiding in the jungles....only to merge decades later.
I am sure in ten years time Paddy Pantsdown will emerge from a West country hostelry saying "We could have another referendum, and change this situation we left the EU eight years ago but we didn't really want to leave, it was all a ghastly plot/mistake. Even though we now in an economic boom, and the EU still has mass unemployment. VOTE REJOIN"
It's nothing to do with supporting or opposing remain. It's about the Government going far beyond what is acceptable in stirring up anti-foreigner sentiment. Remember when there were two visions of Brexit, supposedly articulated by the two rival Brexit campaign camps? Wonder what the likes of Dan Hannan are thinking at the moment?
You do know that You Gov poll confirmed the public back plans to make firms release foreign workers numbers by more than 2 to 1 with even a majority of labour supporters backing it and it is particularly popular in the labour heartlands
" “I moved on her and I failed. I’ll admit it,” Trump is heard saying. It was unclear when the events he was describing took place. The tape was recorded several months after he married his third wife, Melania.
“Whoa,” another voice said.
“I did try and f--- her. She was married,” Trump says.
Trump continues: “And I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out furniture shopping. She wanted to get some furniture. I said, ‘I’ll show you where they have some nice furniture.’”
“I moved on her like a bitch, but I couldn’t get there. And she was married,” Trump says. “Then all of a sudden I see her, she’s now got the big phony tits and everything. She’s totally changed her look.” "
Will now Trump finally resign the nomination ?
It's hardly news that Trump is a lecher.
With a married woman ? It's not that he tried to cheat on his third wife, it's also that he tried with a married woman.
Liberals reacting like victorian old maids to moral impurity because it might help the liberal candidate win lol
But I'm not a Liberal, I don't like Liberals anymore, I think they are incompetent hypocrites, though I will admit in supporting and voting LD until the coalition was formed.
liberal with a small l in the American sense of the word - you may not be one of those either.
There were others with far more partisan comments. I just happened to alight on yours twice to effectively respond to several similar comments.
It seems to me that the Government are losing the plot completely on immigration and Brexit. A large chunk of the anti-immigrant motivated vote in the referendum must have come from areas of the electorate that are never going to vote Conservative, and in areas where they have little prospect of winning seats. Furthermore, it is one thing to take into account public opinion on immigration, quite another to pander to it and even stoke it up to the extent that they have been. The amount of time they have spent having to "explain" and clarify their comments should be a warning sign. There was clearly a sizeable vote for Brexit who were not motivated by pulling up the drawbridge. It would also be electoral suicide to simply ignore the views of half the population just because they voted remain. They are potentially driving themselves into an electoral cul-de-sac with out an easy option to reverse.
Classic remainer comment ?
I agree "classic remainer comment" It amazes me that reaminers still haven't come to terms that the majority voted to leave. Its like those Japanese soldiers long after the war that continued hiding in the jungles....only to merge decades later.
I am sure in ten years time Paddy Pantsdown will emerge from a West country hostelry saying "We could have another referendum, and change this situation we left the EU eight years ago but we didn't really want to leave, it was all a ghastly plot/mistake. Even though we now in an economic boom, and the EU still has mass unemployment. VOTE REJOIN"
It's nothing to do with supporting or opposing remain. It's about the Government going far beyond what is acceptable in stirring up anti-foreigner sentiment. Remember when there were two visions of Brexit, supposedly articulated by the two rival Brexit campaign camps? Wonder what the likes of Dan Hannan are thinking at the moment?
You do know that You Gov poll confirmed the public back plans to make firms release foreign workers numbers by more than 2 to 1 with even a majority of labour supporters backing it and it is particularly popular in the labour heartlands
It seems to me that the Government are losing the plot completely on immigration and Brexit. A large chunk of the anti-immigrant motivated vote in the referendum must have come from areas of the electorate that are never going to vote Conservative, and in areas where they have little prospect of winning seats. Furthermore, it is one thing to take into account public opinion on immigration, quite another to pander to it and even stoke it up to the extent that they have been. The amount of time they have spent having to "explain" and clarify their comments should be a warning sign. There was clearly a sizeable vote for Brexit who were not motivated by pulling up the drawbridge. It would also be electoral suicide to simply ignore the views of half the population just because they voted remain. They are potentially driving themselves into an electoral cul-de-sac with out an easy option to reverse.
Classic remainer comment ?
I agree "classic remainer comment" It amazes me that reaminers still haven't come to terms that the majority voted to leave. Its like those Japanese soldiers long after the war that continued hiding in the jungles....only to merge decades later.
I am sure in ten years time Paddy Pantsdown will emerge from a West country hostelry saying "We could have another referendum, and change this situation we left the EU eight years ago but we didn't really want to leave, it was all a ghastly plot/mistake. Even though we now in an economic boom, and the EU still has mass unemployment. VOTE REJOIN"
It's nothing to do with supporting or opposing remain. It's about the Government going far beyond what is acceptable in stirring up anti-foreigner sentiment. Remember when there were two visions of Brexit, supposedly articulated by the two rival Brexit campaign camps? Wonder what the likes of Dan Hannan are thinking at the moment?
You do know that You Gov poll confirmed the public back plans to make firms release foreign workers numbers by more than 2 to 1 with even a majority of labour supporters backing it and it is particularly popular in the labour heartlands
It is rather amusing to see Labour foaming about this having forced companies to monitor their workers gender, sexuality, disablement, race, inside leg measurement and report anyone reading the daily mail on the office computer to MI5.
It seems to me that the Government are losing the plot completely on immigration and Brexit. A large chunk of the anti-immigrant motivated vote in the referendum must have come from areas of the electorate that are never going to vote Conservative, and in areas where they have little prospect of winning seats. Furthermore, it is one thing to take into account public opinion on immigration, quite another to pander to it and even stoke it up to the extent that they have been. The amount of time they have spent having to "explain" and clarify their comments should be a warning sign. There was clearly a sizeable vote for Brexit who were not motivated by pulling up the drawbridge. It would also be electoral suicide to simply ignore the views of half the population just because they voted remain. They are potentially driving themselves into an electoral cul-de-sac with out an easy option to reverse.
Classic remainer comment ?
I agree "classic remainer comment" It amazes me that reaminers still haven't come to terms that the majority voted to leave. Its like those Japanese soldiers long after the war that continued hiding in the jungles....only to merge decades later.
I am sure in ten years time Paddy Pantsdown will emerge from a West country hostelry saying "We could have another referendum, and change this situation we left the EU eight years ago but we didn't really want to leave, it was all a ghastly plot/mistake. Even though we now in an economic boom, and the EU still has mass unemployment. VOTE REJOIN"
It's nothing to do with supporting or opposing remain. It's about the Government going far beyond what is acceptable in stirring up anti-foreigner sentiment.
Beyond what is acceptable to whom. The people or their liberal moral guardians?
Question: when do you think it is acceptable for politicians to deliberately stir up anti-foreigner sentiment?
I don't think they are. This is a left-Conservative government.
" “I moved on her and I failed. I’ll admit it,” Trump is heard saying. It was unclear when the events he was describing took place. The tape was recorded several months after he married his third wife, Melania.
“Whoa,” another voice said.
“I did try and f--- her. She was married,” Trump says.
Trump continues: “And I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out furniture shopping. She wanted to get some furniture. I said, ‘I’ll show you where they have some nice furniture.’”
“I moved on her like a bitch, but I couldn’t get there. And she was married,” Trump says. “Then all of a sudden I see her, she’s now got the big phony tits and everything. She’s totally changed her look.” "
Will now Trump finally resign the nomination ?
It's hardly news that Trump is a lecher.
With a married woman ? It's not that he tried to cheat on his third wife, it's also that he tried with a married woman.
Liberals reacting like victorian old maids to moral impurity because it might help the liberal candidate win lol.
Edit - Im not having a go at you personally Speedy. It just happened to be your comments I picked up on.
Except a large part of the Republican base is evangelical christians, if they stay at home then he's done for.
It seems to me that the Government are losing the plot completely on immigration and Brexit. A large chunk of the anti-immigrant motivated vote in the referendum must have come from areas of the electorate that are never going to vote Conservative, and in areas where they have little prospect of winning seats. Furthermore, it is one thing to take into account public opinion on immigration, quite another to pander to it and even stoke it up to the extent that they have been. The amount of time they have spent having to "explain" and clarify their comments should be a warning sign. There was clearly a sizeable vote for Brexit who were not motivated by pulling up the drawbridge. It would also be electoral suicide to simply ignore the views of half the population just because they voted remain. They are potentially driving themselves into an electoral cul-de-sac with out an easy option to reverse.
Classic remainer comment ?
I agree "classic remainer comment" It amazes me that reaminers still haven't come to terms that the majority voted to leave. Its like those Japanese soldiers long after the war that continued hiding in the jungles....only to merge decades later.
I am sure in ten years time Paddy Pantsdown will emerge from a West country hostelry saying "We could have another referendum, and change this situation we left the EU eight years ago but we didn't really want to leave, it was all a ghastly plot/mistake. Even though we now in an economic boom, and the EU still has mass unemployment. VOTE REJOIN"
It's nothing to do with supporting or opposing remain. It's about the Government going far beyond what is acceptable in stirring up anti-foreigner sentiment. Remember when there were two visions of Brexit, supposedly articulated by the two rival Brexit campaign camps? Wonder what the likes of Dan Hannan are thinking at the moment?
You do know that You Gov poll confirmed the public back plans to make firms release foreign workers numbers by more than 2 to 1 with even a majority of labour supporters backing it and it is particularly popular in the labour heartlands
Your point being?
Your opionion as to the issue of whether companies should monitor nationality is an opinion, not a doctrine all must agree with under pain of ostracism.
It seems to me that the Government are losing the plot completely on immigration and Brexit. A large chunk of the anti-immigrant motivated vote in the referendum must have come from areas of the electorate that are never going to vote Conservative, and in areas where they have little prospect of winning seats. Furthermore, it is one thing to take into account public opinion on immigration, quite another to pander to it and even stoke it up to the extent that they have been. The amount of time they have spent having to "explain" and clarify their comments should be a warning sign. There was clearly a sizeable vote for Brexit who were not motivated by pulling up the drawbridge. It would also be electoral suicide to simply ignore the views of half the population just because they voted remain. They are potentially driving themselves into an electoral cul-de-sac with out an easy option to reverse.
Classic remainer comment ?
I agree "classic remainer comment" It amazes me that reaminers still haven't come to terms that the majority voted to leave. Its like those Japanese soldiers long after the war that continued hiding in the jungles....only to merge decades later.
I am sure in ten years time Paddy Pantsdown will emerge from a West country hostelry saying "We could have another referendum, and change this situation we left the EU eight years ago but we didn't really want to leave, it was all a ghastly plot/mistake. Even though we now in an economic boom, and the EU still has mass unemployment. VOTE REJOIN"
It's nothing to do with supporting or opposing remain. It's about the Government going far beyond what is acceptable in stirring up anti-foreigner sentiment. Remember when there were two visions of Brexit, supposedly articulated by the two rival Brexit campaign camps? Wonder what the likes of Dan Hannan are thinking at the moment?
Hannan, Carswell, Boris and the like promised a free trading, small state nirvana, what they are likely to get based on the position of May and the EU is tariffs between ourselves and our largest trading partner, no free trade deal on the imminent horizon beyond possibly Australia and New Zealand and probably a larger state than Cameron and Osborne were heading for. It would take a heart of stone not to laugh!
I think the truly toxic bit of these Trump comments is when he says 'if you're a star, you can do what you want'. There is a level of arrogance and entitlement there that the usual rules of decency don't apply to him. That will put a lot of people off, especially women.
It seems to me that the Government are losing the plot completely on immigration and Brexit. A large chunk of the anti-immigrant motivated vote in the referendum must have come from areas of the electorate that are never going to vote Conservative, and in areas where they have little prospect of winning seats. Furthermore, it is one thing to take into account public opinion on immigration, quite another to pander to it and even stoke it up to the extent that they have been. The amount of time they have spent having to "explain" and clarify their comments should be a warning sign. There was clearly a sizeable vote for Brexit who were not motivated by pulling up the drawbridge. It would also be electoral suicide to simply ignore the views of half the population just because they voted remain. They are potentially driving themselves into an electoral cul-de-sac with out an easy option to reverse.
Classic remainer comment ?
I agree "classic remainer comment" It amazes me that reaminers still haven't come to terms that the majority voted to leave. Its like those Japanese soldiers long after the war that continued hiding in the jungles....only to merge decades later.
I am sure in ten years time Paddy Pantsdown will emerge from a West country hostelry saying "We could have another referendum, and change this situation we left the EU eight years ago but we didn't really want to leave, it was all a ghastly plot/mistake. Even though we now in an economic boom, and the EU still has mass unemployment. VOTE REJOIN"
It's nothing to do with supporting or opposing remain. It's about the Government going far beyond what is acceptable in stirring up anti-foreigner sentiment. Remember when there were two visions of Brexit, supposedly articulated by the two rival Brexit campaign camps? Wonder what the likes of Dan Hannan are thinking at the moment?
You do know that You Gov poll confirmed the public back plans to make firms release foreign workers numbers by more than 2 to 1 with even a majority of labour supporters backing it and it is particularly popular in the labour heartlands
It is rather amusing to see Labour foaming about this having forced companies to monitor their workers gender, sexuality, disablement, race, inside leg measurement and report anyone reading the daily mail on the office computer to MI5.
Ok I made the last two up.
Indeed. Their argument was always Sunlight is the Best Disinfectant.
It seems to me that the Government are losing the plot completely on immigration and Brexit. A large chunk of the anti-immigrant motivated vote in the referendum must have come from areas of the electorate that are never going to vote Conservative, and in areas where they have little prospect of winning seats. Furthermore, it is one thing to take into account public opinion on immigration, quite another to pander to it and even stoke it up to the extent that they have been. The amount of time they have spent having to "explain" and clarify their comments should be a warning sign. There was clearly a sizeable vote for Brexit who were not motivated by pulling up the drawbridge. It would also be electoral suicide to simply ignore the views of half the population just because they voted remain. They are potentially driving themselves into an electoral cul-de-sac with out an easy option to reverse.
Classic remainer comment ?
I agree "classic remainer comment" It amazes me that reaminers still haven't come to terms that the majority voted to leave. Its like those Japanese soldiers long after the war that continued hiding in the jungles....only to merge decades later.
I am sure in ten years time Paddy Pantsdown will emerge from a West country hostelry saying "We could have another referendum, and change this situation we left the EU eight years ago but we didn't really want to leave, it was all a ghastly plot/mistake. Even though we now in an economic boom, and the EU still has mass unemployment. VOTE REJOIN"
It's nothing to do with supporting or opposing remain. It's about the Government going far beyond what is acceptable in stirring up anti-foreigner sentiment.
Beyond what is acceptable to whom. The people or their liberal moral guardians?
Question: when do you think it is acceptable for politicians to deliberately stir up anti-foreigner sentiment?
I don't think they are. This is a left-Conservative government.
What is saying that you'll make firms list their foreign employees if not stirring up anti-foreigner sentiment? It certainly doesn't appear to be a policy they intended to carry forwards.
O/T I think the yellow peril will fall short but by less than 2000 votes
I think the Tories will win by at least 5,000.
At least.
This is a solid blue seat.
I posted my forecasts a few days ago, but I'd reckon on the Conservatives in the high 40s, the LibDems hoovering up a lot of Labour support and doing a good job getting their vote out in a low turnout election (say 21%), Labour and UKIP on about 10% each, and the Greens retaining their deposit.
I'm going to make myself look extremely silly, but it wouldn't be the first time, so what the Hell: why does everybody seem automatically to assume that the Lib Dems are going to poll a decent, perhaps even strong, second place in this by-election? I know they've been having some good local council by-election results recently, but these are all over the shop in a variety of different seats and they haven't been making big strides everywhere. The local district council in this part of Oxfordshire currently has as many Labour members on it as LDs (though admittedly very few of each, compared with a great phalanx of Tories.)
Is there evidence emanating from this part of the world to suggest a major Lib Dem revival is on the cards, or are people simply thinking "southern seat + Tory Government = Lib Dem challenge," as if we were in the mid-1990s rather than the mid-2010s, and the Coalition and Corbynmania had never happened?
I'm offering 10-1 on the LibDems to lose their deposit and 5-2 on Ukip to beat the LibDems of you want to put your money where your mouth is.
I wouldn't be tempted by either of those options, but I may have a fish about and see what I can get for Labour to finish second. I rarely gamble significant sums of money, but a token fiver might have to be wagered down one of the shops in town...
oh. looks like the woman suing him for sexual assault when he grabbed her crotch may have been telling the truth twitter.com/jesseberney/status/784492696341770241
Doubtful. With all of his money why would he settle for someone who looked like that?
It seems to me that the Government are losing the plot completely on immigration and Brexit. A large chunk of the anti-immigrant motivated vote in the referendum must have come from areas of the electorate that are never going to vote Conservative, and in areas where they have little prospect of winning seats. Furthermore, it is one thing to take into account public opinion on immigration, quite another to pander to it and even stoke it up to the extent that they have been. The amount of time they have spent having to "explain" and clarify their comments should be a warning sign. There was clearly a sizeable vote for Brexit who were not motivated by pulling up the drawbridge. It would also be electoral suicide to simply ignore the views of half the population just because they voted remain. They are potentially driving themselves into an electoral cul-de-sac with out an easy option to reverse.
Classic remainer comment ?
I agree "classic remainer comment" It amazes me that reaminers still haven't come to terms that the majority voted to leave. Its like those Japanese soldiers long after the war that continued hiding in the jungles....only to merge decades later.
I am sure in ten years time Paddy Pantsdown will emerge from a West country hostelry saying "We could have another referendum, and change this situation we left the EU eight years ago but we didn't really want to leave, it was all a ghastly plot/mistake. Even though we now in an economic boom, and the EU still has mass unemployment. VOTE REJOIN"
It's nothing to do with supporting or opposing remain. It's about the Government going far beyond what is acceptable in stirring up anti-foreigner sentiment.
Beyond what is acceptable to whom. The people or their liberal moral guardians?
Question: when do you think it is acceptable for politicians to deliberately stir up anti-foreigner sentiment?
Before that gets answered, explain why companies monitoring nationality is "deliberately stir[ring] up anti foreign sentiment", with not even a n "appear to be" or a "could be construed as"
It seems to me that the Government are losing the plot completely on immigration and Brexit. A large chunk of the anti-immigrant motivated vote in the referendum must have come from areas of the electorate that are never going to vote Conservative, and in areas where they have little prospect of winning seats. Furthermore, it is one thing to take into account public opinion on immigration, quite another to pander to it and even stoke it up to the extent that they have been. The amount of time they have spent having to "explain" and clarify their comments should be a warning sign. There was clearly a sizeable vote for Brexit who were not motivated by pulling up the drawbridge. It would also be electoral suicide to simply ignore the views of half the population just because they voted remain. They are potentially driving themselves into an electoral cul-de-sac with out an easy option to reverse.
Classic remainer comment ?
I agree "classic remainer comment" It amazes me that reaminers still haven't come to terms that the majority voted to leave. Its like those Japanese soldiers long after the war that continued hiding in the jungles....only to merge decades later.
I am sure in ten years time Paddy Pantsdown will emerge from a West country hostelry saying "We could have another referendum, and change this situation we left the EU eight years ago but we didn't really want to leave, it was all a ghastly plot/mistake. Even though we now in an economic boom, and the EU still has mass unemployment. VOTE REJOIN"
It's nothing to do with supporting or opposing remain. It's about the Government going far beyond what is acceptable in stirring up anti-foreigner sentiment.
Beyond what is acceptable to whom. The people or their liberal moral guardians?
Question: when do you think it is acceptable for politicians to deliberately stir up anti-foreigner sentiment?
Before that gets answered, explain why companies monitoring nationality is "deliberately stir[ring] up anti foreign sentiment", with not even a n "appear to be" or a "could be construed as"
Because the intention is to make it less socially acceptable to employ 'foreigners' over native Brits.
" “I moved on her and I failed. I’ll admit it,” Trump is heard saying. It was unclear when the events he was describing took place. The tape was recorded several months after he married his third wife, Melania.
“Whoa,” another voice said.
“I did try and f--- her. She was married,” Trump says.
Trump continues: “And I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out furniture shopping. She wanted to get some furniture. I said, ‘I’ll show you where they have some nice furniture.’”
“I moved on her like a bitch, but I couldn’t get there. And she was married,” Trump says. “Then all of a sudden I see her, she’s now got the big phony tits and everything. She’s totally changed her look.” "
Will now Trump finally resign the nomination ?
It's hardly news that Trump is a lecher.
With a married woman ? It's not that he tried to cheat on his third wife, it's also that he tried with a married woman.
Liberals reacting like victorian old maids to moral impurity because it might help the liberal candidate win lol.
Edit - Im not having a go at you personally Speedy. It just happened to be your comments I picked up on.
Except a large part of the Republican base is evangelical christians, if they stay at home then he's done for.
It seems to me that the Government are losing the plot completely on immigration and Brexit. A large chunk of the anti-immigrant motivated vote in the referendum must have come from areas of the electorate that are never going to vote Conservative, and in areas where they have little prospect of winning seats. Furthermore, it is one thing to take into account public opinion on immigration, quite another to pander to it and even stoke it up to the extent that they have been. The amount of time they have spent having to "explain" and clarify their comments should be a warning sign. There was clearly a sizeable vote for Brexit who were not motivated by pulling up the drawbridge. It would also be electoral suicide to simply ignore the views of half the population just because they voted remain. They are potentially driving themselves into an electoral cul-de-sac with out an easy option to reverse.
Classic remainer comment ?
I agree "classic remainer comment" It amazes me that reaminers still haven't come to terms that the majority voted to leave. Its like those Japanese soldiers long after the war that continued hiding in the jungles....only to merge decades later.
I am sure in ten years time Paddy Pantsdown will emerge from a West country hostelry saying "We could have another referendum, and change this situation we left the EU eight years ago but we didn't really want to leave, it was all a ghastly plot/mistake. Even though we now in an economic boom, and the EU still has mass unemployment. VOTE REJOIN"
It's nothing to do with supporting or opposing remain. It's about the Government going far beyond what is acceptable in stirring up anti-foreigner sentiment.
Beyond what is acceptable to whom. The people or their liberal moral guardians?
Question: when do you think it is acceptable for politicians to deliberately stir up anti-foreigner sentiment?
I don't think they are. This is a left-Conservative government.
What is saying that you'll make firms list their foreign employees if not stirring up anti-foreigner sentiment? It certainly doesn't appear to be a policy they intended to carry forwards.
I think it's a silly policy. I don't think it's stirring anti-foreigner sentiment.
Guys...what do you think is worse for the UK? Theresa May's intervention at the Tory party conference causing a run on sterling, or Jezza picking Abbott as Shadow Home Secretary?
A clue to the answer... one is meaningless nonsense, and one is destructive...and pushes the UK into the hinterland.
One is acting on the democratic will of the people, the other is a nobody outside the London leftie luvvy circle of marxists
I don't think you answered my question comrade....one is currently wrecking the future of the economy and one is laughable. Choose punk and make my day..... .
So tell me - how would you take us out of the EU - by a quick two year process with the obvious ups and downs or by fudge and delay creating more uncertainty.
Or maybe by just ignoring the will of the people
Considering we have singlehandedly managed to create an enemy of there entire EU...Hollande, Merkel, Junker, Tusk etc......all of them lining their guns against us, I would choose the option that is most pisses them off.....
The amazing thing is that all of them could be out of office within the year, indeed Hollande has no hope, there are demands for both Schultz and Juncker's heads from within the EU, Tusk is facing criminal charges, and as for Merkel who knows.
Tusk, criminal charges?
Don't forget Renzi, he could be gone before Christmas.
Tusk is facing a criminal probe by prosecutors in Poland over a cover up following a plane crash that killed the country's president and his wife in 2010 - they are allegedly calling it treason by Tusk, (Various sources Sept 2016)
It seems to me that the Government are losing the plot completely on immigration and Brexit. A large chunk of the anti-immigrant motivated vote in the referendum must have come from areas of the electorate that are never going to vote Conservative, and in areas where they have little prospect of winning seats. Furthermore, it is one thing to take into account public opinion on immigration, quite another to pander to it and even stoke it up to the extent that they have been. The amount of time they have spent having to "explain" and clarify their comments should be a warning sign. There was clearly a sizeable vote for Brexit who were not motivated by pulling up the drawbridge. It would also be electoral suicide to simply ignore the views of half the population just because they voted remain. They are potentially driving themselves into an electoral cul-de-sac with out an easy option to reverse.
Classic remainer comment ?
I agree "classic remainer comment" It amazes me that reaminers still haven't come to terms that the majority voted to leave. Its like those Japanese soldiers long after the war that continued hiding in the jungles....only to merge decades later.
I am sure in ten years time Paddy Pantsdown will emerge from a West country hostelry saying "We could have another referendum, and change this situation we left the EU eight years ago but we didn't really want to leave, it was all a ghastly plot/mistake. Even though we now in an economic boom, and the EU still has mass unemployment. VOTE REJOIN"
It's nothing to do with supporting or opposing remain. It's about the Government going far beyond what is acceptable in stirring up anti-foreigner sentiment. Remember when there were two visions of Brexit, supposedly articulated by the two rival Brexit campaign camps? Wonder what the likes of Dan Hannan are thinking at the moment?
Hannan, Carswell, Boris and the like promised a free trading, small state nirvana, what they are likely to get based on the position of May and the EU is tariffs between ourselves and our largest trading partner, no free trade deal on the imminent horizon beyond possibly Australia and New Zealand and probably a larger state than Cameron and Osborne were heading for. It would take a heart of stone not to laugh!
Worse than that, a country that Canada, NZ and Australia will look at and think, "Strewth, they're in a mess. Could be time to sever ties and become republics..."
I agree "classic remainer comment" It amazes me that reaminers still haven't come to terms that the majority voted to leave. Its like those Japanese soldiers long after the war that continued hiding in the jungles....only to merge decades later.
I am sure in ten years time Paddy Pantsdown will emerge from a West country hostelry saying "We could have another referendum, and change this situation we left the EU eight years ago but we didn't really want to leave, it was all a ghastly plot/mistake. Even though we now in an economic boom, and the EU still has mass unemployment. VOTE REJOIN"
It's nothing to do with supporting or opposing remain. It's about the Government going far beyond what is acceptable in stirring up anti-foreigner sentiment. Remember when there were two visions of Brexit, supposedly articulated by the two rival Brexit campaign camps? Wonder what the likes of Dan Hannan are thinking at the moment?
You do know that You Gov poll confirmed the public back plans to make firms release foreign workers numbers by more than 2 to 1 with even a majority of labour supporters backing it and it is particularly popular in the labour heartlands
Your point being?
Your opionion as to the issue of whether companies should monitor nationality is an opinion, not a doctrine all must agree with under pain of ostracism.
Of course it's an opinion (that the Government are stirring up anti-foreigner sentiment). The whole thread began with "it seems to me..."! Although as it happens it is you who have determined that I was specifically referencing the proposals on company monitoring. It isn't the only example by any means - some of the stuff on doctors is outrageous. And massively counterproductive to the future health of the nation. In my opinion.
" “I moved on her and I failed. I’ll admit it,” Trump is heard saying. It was unclear when the events he was describing took place. The tape was recorded several months after he married his third wife, Melania.
“Whoa,” another voice said.
“I did try and f--- her. She was married,” Trump says.
Trump continues: “And I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out furniture shopping. She wanted to get some furniture. I said, ‘I’ll show you where they have some nice furniture.’”
“I moved on her like a bitch, but I couldn’t get there. And she was married,” Trump says. “Then all of a sudden I see her, she’s now got the big phony tits and everything. She’s totally changed her look.” "
Will now Trump finally resign the nomination ?
It's hardly news that Trump is a lecher.
With a married woman ? It's not that he tried to cheat on his third wife, it's also that he tried with a married woman.
Liberals reacting like victorian old maids to moral impurity because it might help the liberal candidate win lol.
Edit - Im not having a go at you personally Speedy. It just happened to be your comments I picked up on.
Except a large part of the Republican base is evangelical christians, if they stay at home then he's done for.
yeaahhhh... cant see this playing well with them
Even allowing for a lot of hypocracy in the Bible belt, it will not go down well.
Guys...what do you think is worse for the UK? Theresa May's intervention at the Tory party conference causing a run on sterling, or Jezza picking Abbott as Shadow Home Secretary?
A clue to the answer... one is meaningless nonsense, and one is destructive...and pushes the UK into the hinterland.
One is acting on the democratic will of the people, the other is a nobody outside the London leftie luvvy circle of marxists
I don't think you answered my question comrade....one is currently wrecking the future of the economy and one is laughable. Choose punk and make my day..... .
So tell me - how would you take us out of the EU - by a quick two year process with the obvious ups and downs or by fudge and delay creating more uncertainty.
Or maybe by just ignoring the will of the people
The way to take us out is obvious. You enter into a time limited (say five to seven years) EEA agreement now, and which allows the UK to leave the EU in the next 12 months.
We can then start entering into other trade agreements, and dismantling EU law in the UK. This allows a proper time for EU negotiations, and as we'll have proper relationships with other countries BEFORE we leave the EEA, we'll have a lot more power in negotiations with the EU.
One can hope that what is going on is deliberate expectations management and negotiation tactics. But it's a high risk strategy. I suppose at least they haven't got somebody parading about claiming to be an expert in game theory whilst pursuing it.
O/T I think the yellow peril will fall short but by less than 2000 votes
I think the Tories will win by at least 5,000.
At least.
This is a solid blue seat.
I posted my forecasts a few days ago, but I'd reckon on the Conservatives in the high 40s, the LibDems hoovering up a lot of Labour support and doing a good job getting their vote out in a low turnout election (say 21%), Labour and UKIP on about 10% each, and the Greens retaining their deposit.
I'm going to make myself look extremely silly, but it wouldn't be the first time, so what the Hell: why does everybody seem automatically to assume that the Lib Dems are going to poll a decent, perhaps even strong, second place in this by-election? I know they've been having some good local council by-election results recently, but these are all over the shop in a variety of different seats and they haven't been making big strides everywhere. The local district council in this part of Oxfordshire currently has as many Labour members on it as LDs (though admittedly very few of each, compared with a great phalanx of Tories.)
Is there evidence emanating from this part of the world to suggest a major Lib Dem revival is on the cards, or are people simply thinking "southern seat + Tory Government = Lib Dem challenge," as if we were in the mid-1990s rather than the mid-2010s, and the Coalition and Corbynmania had never happened?
I think the Lib Dems could benefit from the area having voted Remain.
I do also wonder if the Remain/Leave balance of an area is of any great significance in and of itself. What proportion of all voters who turned out for that referendum - especially on the Remain side - committed and enthusiastic, and how many were acting more pragmatically?
To put it another way, Ukip - the party for hardline Brexit - polled about 12% nationally at the last GE. Therefore an anti-Ukip - which is what the Lib Dems appear to be toying with becoming - could presumably rely on winning not that much more than the 8% nationally that they managed to hold onto last year.
But ultimately, I'm guessing here. As I said before, the LDs have been chalking up some very good council by-election results recently, but they haven't been doing it everywhere. Will some Tory voters desert to the Yellows in anger over Brexit, and will fellow lefties forgive them for the Coalition and fall in behind a united challenge, or will they stick by Labour and the Greens? Who can say?
It seems to me that the Government are losing the plot completely on immigration and Brexit. A large chunk of the anti-immigrant motivated vote in the referendum must have come from areas of the electorate that are never going to vote Conservative, and in areas where they have little prospect of winning seats. Furthermore, it is one thing to take into account public opinion on immigration, quite another to pander to it and even stoke it up to the extent that they have been. The amount of time they have spent having to "explain" and clarify their comments should be a warning sign. There was clearly a sizeable vote for Brexit who were not motivated by pulling up the drawbridge. It would also be electoral suicide to simply ignore the views of half the population just because they voted remain. They are potentially driving themselves into an electoral cul-de-sac with out an easy option to reverse.
The Conservatives are clearly ambitious. They think they can take seats like Stoke South, Newcastle under Lyme, NE Derbyshire off labour.
They're probably favourites to win those types of seats with Corbyn and McDonnell in charge.
Although as it happens it is you who have determined that I was specifically referencing the proposals on company monitoring. It isn't the only example by any means - some of the stuff on doctors is outrageous. And massively counterproductive to the future health of the nation. In my opinion.
You think it is outrageous that we train enough doctors in the UK to meet our own needs and then recruit fewer doctors from overseas? Because that's what the policy is basically about.
It seems to me that the Government are losing the plot completely on immigration and Brexit. A large chunk of the anti-immigrant motivated vote in the referendum must have come from areas of the electorate that are never going to vote Conservative, and in areas where they have little prospect of winning seats. Furthermore, it is one thing to take into account public opinion on immigration, quite another to pander to it and even stoke it up to the extent that they have been. The amount of time they have spent having to "explain" and clarify their comments should be a warning sign. There was clearly a sizeable vote for Brexit who were not motivated by pulling up the drawbridge. It would also be electoral suicide to simply ignore the views of half the population just because they voted remain. They are potentially driving themselves into an electoral cul-de-sac with out an easy option to reverse.
Classic remainer comment ?
I agree "classic remainer comment" It amazes me that reaminers still haven't come to terms that the majority voted to leave. Its like those Japanese soldiers long after the war that continued hiding in the jungles....only to merge decades later.
I am sure in ten years time Paddy Pantsdown will emerge from a West country hostelry saying "We could have another referendum, and change this situation we left the EU eight years ago but we didn't really want to leave, it was all a ghastly plot/mistake. Even though we now in an economic boom, and the EU still has mass unemployment. VOTE REJOIN"
It's nothing to do with supporting or opposing remain. It's about the Government going far beyond what is acceptable in stirring up anti-foreigner sentiment. Remember when there were two visions of Brexit, supposedly articulated by the two rival Brexit campaign camps? Wonder what the likes of Dan Hannan are thinking at the moment?
You do know that You Gov poll confirmed the public back plans to make firms release foreign workers numbers by more than 2 to 1 with even a majority of labour supporters backing it and it is particularly popular in the labour heartlands
Your point being?
It is only the liberal elite calling out this proposal which has been well received by ordinary people
It seems to me that the Government are losing the plot completely on immigration and Brexit. A large chunk of the anti-immigrant motivated vote in the referendum must have come from areas of the electorate that are never going to vote Conservative, and in areas where they have little prospect of winning seats. Furthermore, it is one thing to take into account public opinion on immigration, quite another to pander to it and even stoke it up to the extent that they have been. The amount of time they have spent having to "explain" and clarify their comments should be a warning sign. There was clearly a sizeable vote for Brexit who were not motivated by pulling up the drawbridge. It would also be electoral suicide to simply ignore the views of half the population just because they voted remain. They are potentially driving themselves into an electoral cul-de-sac with out an easy option to reverse.
Classic remainer comment ?
I agree "classic remainer comment" It amazes me that reaminers still haven't come to terms that the majority voted to leave. Its like those Japanese soldiers long after the war that continued hiding in the jungles....only to merge decades later.
I am sure in ten years time Paddy Pantsdown will emerge from a West country hostelry saying "We could have another referendum, and change this situation we left the EU eight years ago but we didn't really want to leave, it was all a ghastly plot/mistake. Even though we now in an economic boom, and the EU still has mass unemployment. VOTE REJOIN"
It's nothing to do with supporting or opposing remain. It's about the Government going far beyond what is acceptable in stirring up anti-foreigner sentiment.
Beyond what is acceptable to whom. The people or their liberal moral guardians?
Question: when do you think it is acceptable for politicians to deliberately stir up anti-foreigner sentiment?
Before that gets answered, explain why companies monitoring nationality is "deliberately stir[ring] up anti foreign sentiment", with not even a n "appear to be" or a "could be construed as"
Because the intention is to make it less socially acceptable to employ 'foreigners' over native Brits.
Assuming you are correct and that is the case, on what grounds is it unaccepatable as an objective fact if the majority here support it?
Unacceptable to whom precisely?
I suspect the answer is right thinking urbane metropolitan types?
I know its off topic but Russia has passed into law today that it will have a permanent presence in Syria. Also they are looking at opening bases in Vietnam and Cuba and have told the US they will shoot down their planes over Syria. They have also threatened Finnish and UK airspace this week.
The US has demanded that the UN prosecute Russia and Syria for war crimes
Who wants to venture an opinion on how this will all end
It is always worth remembering that Russia exports less than Belgium does.
It seems to me that the Government are losing the plot completely on immigration and Brexit. A large chunk of the anti-immigrant motivated vote in the referendum must have come from areas of the electorate that are never going to vote Conservative, and in areas where they have little prospect of winning seats. Furthermore, it is one thing to take into account public opinion on immigration, quite another to pander to it and even stoke it up to the extent that they have been. The amount of time they have spent having to "explain" and clarify their comments should be a warning sign. There was clearly a sizeable vote for Brexit who were not motivated by pulling up the drawbridge. It would also be electoral suicide to simply ignore the views of half the population just because they voted remain. They are potentially driving themselves into an electoral cul-de-sac with out an easy option to reverse.
Classic remainer comment ?
I agree "classic remainer comment" It amazes me that reaminers still haven't come to terms that the majority voted to leave. Its like those Japanese soldiers long after the war that continued hiding in the jungles....only to merge decades later.
I am sure in ten years time Paddy Pantsdown will emerge from a West country hostelry saying "We could have another referendum, and change this situation we left the EU eight years ago but we didn't really want to leave, it was all a ghastly plot/mistake. Even though we now in an economic boom, and the EU still has mass unemployment. VOTE REJOIN"
It's nothing to do with supporting or opposing remain. It's about the Government going far beyond what is acceptable in stirring up anti-foreigner sentiment.
Beyond what is acceptable to whom. The people or their liberal moral guardians?
Question: when do you think it is acceptable for politicians to deliberately stir up anti-foreigner sentiment?
Before that gets answered, explain why companies monitoring nationality is "deliberately stir[ring] up anti foreign sentiment", with not even a n "appear to be" or a "could be construed as"
Because the intention is to make it less socially acceptable to employ 'foreigners' over native Brits.
It would be funny to see how football fans react!
Indeed it may well lend a certain continental chic to some companies.
Best value and fast service with www.polishplumber.com etc.
It seems to me that the Government are losing the plot completely on immigration and Brexit. A large chunk of the anti-immigrant motivated vote in the referendum must have come from areas of the electorate that are never going to vote Conservative, and in areas where they have little prospect of winning seats. Furthermore, it is one thing to take into account public opinion on immigration, quite another to pander to it and even stoke it up to the extent that they have been. The amount of time they have spent having to "explain" and clarify their comments should be a warning sign. There was clearly a sizeable vote for Brexit who were not motivated by pulling up the drawbridge. It would also be electoral suicide to simply ignore the views of half the population just because they voted remain. They are potentially driving themselves into an electoral cul-de-sac with out an easy option to reverse.
Classic remainer comment ?
I agree "classic remainer comment" It amazes me that reaminers still haven't come to terms that the majority voted to leave. Its like those Japanese soldiers long after the war that continued hiding in the jungles....only to merge decades later.
I am sure in ten years time Paddy Pantsdown will emerge from a West country hostelry saying "We could have another referendum, and change this situation "
It's nothing to do with supporting or opposing remain. It's about the Government going far beyond what is acceptable in stirring up anti-foreigner sentiment. Remember when there were two visions of Brexit, supposedly articulated by the two rival Brexit campaign camps? Wonder what the likes of Dan Hannan are thinking at the moment?
Hannan, Carswell, Boris and the like promised a free trading, small state nirvana, what they are likely to get based on the position of May and the EU is tariffs between ourselves and our largest trading partner, no free trade deal on the imminent horizon beyond possibly Australia and New Zealand and probably a larger state than Cameron and Osborne were heading for. It would take a heart of stone not to laugh!
Worse than that, a country that Canada, NZ and Australia will look at and think, "Strewth, they're in a mess. Could be time to sever ties and become republics..."
I don't think it will affect the monarchy, those countries (and Russia) are basically the only ones who generally welcome Brexit as they were getting annoyed by being second class citizens when coming to the UK behind citizens of the EU despite their Commonwealth and cultural ties
" “I moved on her and I failed. I’ll admit it,” Trump is heard saying. It was unclear when the events he was describing took place. The tape was recorded several months after he married his third wife, Melania.
“Whoa,” another voice said.
“I did try and f--- her. She was married,” Trump says.
Trump continues: “And I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out furniture shopping. She wanted to get some furniture. I said, ‘I’ll show you where they have some nice furniture.’”
“I moved on her like a bitch, but I couldn’t get there. And she was married,” Trump says. “Then all of a sudden I see her, she’s now got the big phony tits and everything. She’s totally changed her look.” "
Will now Trump finally resign the nomination ?
It's hardly news that Trump is a lecher.
With a married woman ? It's not that he tried to cheat on his third wife, it's also that he tried with a married woman.
I have spent the last couple of days in Witney. There is in fact little evidence of a bye-election in progress - with one exception. The village of Charlbury is a sea of orange - it is the home of Liz Leffman, the LD candidate and local ward councillor. Elsewhere there are a few Conservative posters in Cassington and one or two Labour ones in Witney. What is noticeable is that the fields and trees are not voting Conservative - perhaps a sign that the Cons have not got a ground game at the moment.
" “I moved on her and I failed. I’ll admit it,” Trump is heard saying. It was unclear when the events he was describing took place. The tape was recorded several months after he married his third wife, Melania.
“Whoa,” another voice said.
“I did try and f--- her. She was married,” Trump says.
Trump continues: “And I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out furniture shopping. She wanted to get some furniture. I said, ‘I’ll show you where they have some nice furniture.’”
“I moved on her like a bitch, but I couldn’t get there. And she was married,” Trump says. “Then all of a sudden I see her, she’s now got the big phony tits and everything. She’s totally changed her look.” "
Will now Trump finally resign the nomination ?
It's hardly news that Trump is a lecher.
With a married woman ? It's not that he tried to cheat on his third wife, it's also that he tried with a married woman.
Liberals reacting like victorian old maids to moral impurity because it might help the liberal candidate win lol.
Edit - Im not having a go at you personally Speedy. It just happened to be your comments I picked up on.
Except a large part of the Republican base is evangelical christians, if they stay at home then he's done for.
yeaahhhh... cant see this playing well with them
Even allowing for a lot of hypocracy in the Bible belt, it will not go down well.
Why vote for the New York Yankee fornicator?
Because the alternative is hardline abortion supporting secularist who wants to marginalise Christianity.
Guys...what do you think is worse for the UK? Theresa May's intervention at the Tory party conference causing a run on sterling, or Jezza picking Abbott as Shadow Home Secretary?
A clue to the answer... one is meaningless nonsense, and one is destructive...and pushes the UK into the hinterland.
One is acting on the democratic will of the people, the other is a nobody outside the London leftie luvvy circle of marxists
I don't think you answered my question comrade....one is currently wrecking the future of the economy and one is laughable. Choose punk and make my day..... .
So tell me - how would you take us out of the EU - by a quick two year process with the obvious ups and downs or by fudge and delay creating more uncertainty.
Or maybe by just ignoring the will of the people
Considering we have singlehandedly managed to create an enemy of there entire EU...Hollande, Merkel, Junker, Tusk etc......all of them lining their guns against us, I would choose the option that is most pisses them off.....
The amazing thing is that all of them could be out of office within the year, indeed Hollande has no hope, there are demands for both Schultz and Juncker's heads from within the EU, Tusk is facing criminal charges, and as for Merkel who knows.
Tusk, criminal charges?
Don't forget Renzi, he could be gone before Christmas.
Tusk is facing a criminal probe by prosecutors in Poland over a cover up following a plane crash that killed the country's president and his wife in 2010 - they are allegedly calling it treason by Tusk, (Various sources Sept 2016)
Hmmmm...
My knowledge of the internal politics of Poland could be written on the back of a postage stamp, BUT... isn't the party to the Right of Tusk's now in the driving seat in Warsaw, and part of this "illiberal democracy" trend in the V4 states? I distinctly remember a big row over appointments to the constitutional court, in which the EU institutions tried to intervene, making the news earlier this year.
Thus, it seems quite possible that either (a) there's some measure of truth to this, or (b) it's a politically motivated inquiry. Regardless, sounds like yet another headache that the European institutions could really do without right now.
French to invest in new manufacturing plant in NW England.'
That will upset some headbangers,new investment was not going to happen.
So, is every single piece of individual investment in the UK post Brexit going to be viewed as overwhelming of the success of the vote. Morons....with a huge, great big capital M.
If I was Theresa I would be shitting my kecks...every time she opens up her trap there is another run on sterling.
"So, is every single piece of individual disinvestment in the UK post Brexit going to be viewed as overwhelming of the failure of the vote. Morons....with a huge, great big capital M"
Corrected for you....
Perhaps now you and Yellow Sub can give it a fecking rest for a while then.
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So, is every single piece of individual investment in the UK post Brexit going to be viewed as overwhelming of the success of the vote. Morons....with a huge, great big capital M.
If I was Theresa I would be shitting my kecks...every time she opens up her trap there is another run on sterling.
Does the run on Sterling reflect real capital flight?
Have we an inkling as to whether foreigners are any longer wanting to pay for our current account deficit?
For comparison, the same model has Trump ahead by 24 among those who voted by this point in 2012
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Our models suggest Trump is ahead by 1 point among NC absentee voters who have returned ballots https://twitter.com/ElectProject/status/784370010701430784 …
WTF does this mean? Does this mean trump is underpreforming Romney by 23%? Is it good for him? Bad?
Consider Liam Fox – pushing for such a hard Brexit that it was like a Viagra ad every time he opened his mouth – who declared (for the third time in a week) that the UK sold “tea to China, wine to France, and boomerangs to Australia”. Fox had taken the stage right after Leadsom, Britain’s luckiest escape, who had trilled wide-eyed: “We’re selling coffee to Brazil, sparkling wine to France and naan bread to India.” We were even, Andrea smiled excitedly, selling “bottled English countryside air for up to £80 a go”.
Look, no one wants to let daylight in on tragic. But even cursory research reveals that the coffee claim amounts to a very small hill of beans we import from Brazil, then process and export back to Brazil in a deal worth the titchiest fraction of the coffee we buy in. The boomerang triumph can be traced back to a single company in Leighton Buzzard whose own general manager is at pains to stress “Boomerangs are obviously not exactly a huge market”, while the naans-to-India bit is a reference to one baker in Dunstable who has invested in a factory outside Mumbai. Less than 2% of wine exported to France is English – around £940,000 worth – while we import £881m of the French stuff. Arguably, the crowning achievement of this vision of a post-Brexit trade bonanza is the guy selling the £80 jars of “fresh air” to the Chinese. He turns out to be a self-styled “air farmer” with a website so pretentious it reads like a Chris Morris hoax, and who will only admit to having flogged around 300 units of his nonsensical product.
So those are your big bucks post-Brexit beacons, ranging from a boomerang-maker who would very much like you to commute your expectations, to some hipster chancer who has sold fewer than 300 empty jars to Chinese ironists. What the hell do you say? Other than: is that the plan, secretaries of state? Please tell me that isn’t the actual plan, because if it is the plan, then I changed my mind. I want the blue pill. In the name of sweet oblivion, GIVE ME BACK THE FUCKING BLUE PILL.
Or maybe by just ignoring the will of the people
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-recorded-having-extremely-lewd-conversation-about-women-in-2005/2016/10/07/3b9ce776-8cb4-11e6-bf8a-3d26847eeed4_story.html?postshare=2491475870527101&tid=ss_tw
Can we just say today sterling is trading at around 1.10 Euros.......... Well done Brexit. We are turning the UK into a third world country........ Cheap and cheerful....
Considering we have singlehandedly managed to create an enemy of there entire EU...Hollande, Merkel, Junker, Tusk etc......all of them lining their guns against us, I would choose the option that is most pisses them off.....
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-recorded-having-extremely-lewd-conversation-about-women-in-2005/2016/10/07/3b9ce776-8cb4-11e6-bf8a-3d26847eeed4_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_no-name:page/breaking-news-bar&tid=a_breakingnews
" “I moved on her and I failed. I’ll admit it,” Trump is heard saying. It was unclear when the events he was describing took place. The tape was recorded several months after he married his third wife, Melania.
“Whoa,” another voice said.
“I did try and f--- her. She was married,” Trump says.
Trump continues: “And I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out furniture shopping. She wanted to get some furniture. I said, ‘I’ll show you where they have some nice furniture.’”
“I moved on her like a bitch, but I couldn’t get there. And she was married,” Trump says. “Then all of a sudden I see her, she’s now got the big phony tits and everything. She’s totally changed her look.” "
Will now Trump finally resign the nomination ?
I've been there, done that. I remember when leaving the ERM was supposed to be a catastrophe.
The US has demanded that the UN prosecute Russia and Syria for war crimes
Who wants to venture an opinion on how this will all end
It amazes me that reaminers still haven't come to terms that the majority voted to leave. Its like those Japanese soldiers long after the war that continued hiding in the jungles....only to merge decades later.
I am sure in ten years time Paddy Pantsdown will emerge from a West country hostelry saying
"We could have another referendum, and change this situation we left the EU eight years ago but we didn't really want to leave, it was all a ghastly plot/mistake. Even though we now in an economic boom, and the EU still has mass unemployment. VOTE REJOIN"
Its almost as if Trump is doomed is a post brexit comfort blanket for one cohort here.
It's not that he tried to cheat on his third wife, it's also that he tried with a married woman.
Presumably that he failed to close the deal?
He issued a statement. Its just 'banter', bill clinton has said worse on the golf course and 'i apologise for any offence caused'.
not 100% sure this will work...
Edit - Im not having a go at you personally Speedy. It just happened to be your comments I picked up on.
Thats sexuall assault.
He was 59 at the time
Don't forget Renzi, he could be gone before Christmas.
And there were never just two visions of Brexit.
There were others with far more partisan comments. I just happened to alight on yours twice to effectively respond to several similar comments.
Ok I made the last two up.
https://twitter.com/jesseberney/status/784492696341770241
But there's no doubt that right now the markets are spooked.
(Various sources Sept 2016)
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-amaya-m-a-idUSKCN12725E
Why vote for the New York Yankee fornicator?
We can then start entering into other trade agreements, and dismantling EU law in the UK. This allows a proper time for EU negotiations, and as we'll have proper relationships with other countries BEFORE we leave the EEA, we'll have a lot more power in negotiations with the EU.
To put it another way, Ukip - the party for hardline Brexit - polled about 12% nationally at the last GE. Therefore an anti-Ukip - which is what the Lib Dems appear to be toying with becoming - could presumably rely on winning not that much more than the 8% nationally that they managed to hold onto last year.
But ultimately, I'm guessing here. As I said before, the LDs have been chalking up some very good council by-election results recently, but they haven't been doing it everywhere. Will some Tory voters desert to the Yellows in anger over Brexit, and will fellow lefties forgive them for the Coalition and fall in behind a united challenge, or will they stick by Labour and the Greens? Who can say?
Unacceptable to whom precisely?
I suspect the answer is right thinking urbane metropolitan types?
Indeed it may well lend a certain continental chic to some companies.
Best value and fast service with www.polishplumber.com etc.
My knowledge of the internal politics of Poland could be written on the back of a postage stamp, BUT... isn't the party to the Right of Tusk's now in the driving seat in Warsaw, and part of this "illiberal democracy" trend in the V4 states? I distinctly remember a big row over appointments to the constitutional court, in which the EU institutions tried to intervene, making the news earlier this year.
Thus, it seems quite possible that either (a) there's some measure of truth to this, or (b) it's a politically motivated inquiry. Regardless, sounds like yet another headache that the European institutions could really do without right now.
Corrected for you....
Perhaps now you and Yellow Sub can give it a fecking rest for a while then.
Somehow I think you won't