Heroin, funnily enough - !! - was given that name by the German doctors who invented it, because they thought it would make German soldiers heroically fearless (and it does make the user blithely and perilously indifferent to pain or danger)
Either way a deep interest in Wagner is a sign of an underlying nervous pathology, in men who want to be soldiers, but can't get it up anymore - or never could.
There's a new book out saying Hitler was utterly addicted to Eukodal (oxycodone) (a heroin type drug) after the 1944 bomb plot.
decent for Trump but looks like an outlier. Be interested to see if the other polls show that.
The post VP debate polls are generally showing it tighter
i think pussygate is really going to screw him over now. all over the news, everyone is talking about it.
I doubt it, most of his core supporters will not have done much different themselves and the main people who will be offended will be feminist women who are already behind Hillary anyway
You are surely right that it won't change many minds. The US is already highly polarized.
But it's all part of a drip, drip about Donald Trump's suitability to become President. And small things add up. If a few tens of middle class Republican women in Nevada or New Hampshire decide not to go to the polls in a month's time, it could result in quite a few electoral votes ending up in Hillary's column.
Middle class women who would have been offended by this type of thing will have switched to Hillary long ago anyway
Every single one? There won't be a single woman who decides not to go to the polling booth because she thinks Trump is a scumbag?
Can you imagine the Town Hall questions towards Trump ? Especially from women ?
Given Bill Clinton's record with women if the Clinton camp brings that up he can respond in kind, he is the US Berlusconi anyway, his supporters already know what he is like, they are not voting for him to be the next Pope!
decent for Trump but looks like an outlier. Be interested to see if the other polls show that.
The post VP debate polls are generally showing it tighter
i think pussygate is really going to screw him over now. all over the news, everyone is talking about it.
I doubt it, most of his core supporters will not have done much different themselves and the main people who will be offended will be feminist women who are already behind Hillary anyway
You are surely right that it won't change many minds. The US is already highly polarized.
But it's all part of a drip, drip about Donald Trump's suitability to become President. And small things add up. If a few tens of middle class Republican women in Nevada or New Hampshire decide not to go to the polls in a month's time, it could result in quite a few electoral votes ending up in Hillary's column.
Middle class women who would have been offended by this type of thing will have switched to Hillary long ago anyway
Every single one? There won't be a single woman who decides not to go to the polling booth because she thinks Trump is a scumbag?
Can you imagine the Town Hall question towards Trump ? Especially from women ?
He better get practicing his apologies....
Trouble is he will just say he was being braggadocious. Unless a woman comes forward of cause.
Doesn't matter anyway, he's lost. It is over. He lost it weeks ago. No ground game, no GOV, no TV ads in the right states, demographics against him, shit debate etc etc etc.
decent for Trump but looks like an outlier. Be interested to see if the other polls show that.
The post VP debate polls are generally showing it tighter
i think pussygate is really going to screw him over now. all over the news, everyone is talking about it.
I doubt it, most of his core supporters will not have done much different themselves and the main people who will be offended will be feminist women who are already behind Hillary anyway
You are surely right that it won't change many minds. The US is already highly polarized.
But it's all part of a drip, drip about Donald Trump's suitability to become President. And small things add up. If a few tens of middle class Republican women in Nevada or New Hampshire decide not to go to the polls in a month's time, it could result in quite a few electoral votes ending up in Hillary's column.
Middle class women who would have been offended by this type of thing will have switched to Hillary long ago anyway
Every single one? There won't be a single woman who decides not to go to the polling booth because she thinks Trump is a scumbag?
Those who think Trump is a scumbag will not be voting for him now and were not voting for him yesterday
decent for Trump but looks like an outlier. Be interested to see if the other polls show that.
The post VP debate polls are generally showing it tighter
i think pussygate is really going to screw him over now. all over the news, everyone is talking about it.
I doubt it, most of his core supporters will not have done much different themselves and the main people who will be offended will be feminist women who are already behind Hillary anyway
You are surely right that it won't change many minds. The US is already highly polarized.
But it's all part of a drip, drip about Donald Trump's suitability to become President. And small things add up. If a few tens of middle class Republican women in Nevada or New Hampshire decide not to go to the polls in a month's time, it could result in quite a few electoral votes ending up in Hillary's column.
Middle class women who would have been offended by this type of thing will have switched to Hillary long ago anyway
Every single one? There won't be a single woman who decides not to go to the polling booth because she thinks Trump is a scumbag?
Can you imagine the Town Hall question towards Trump ? Especially from women ?
He better get practicing his apologies....
Trouble is he will just say he was being braggadocious. Unless a woman comes forward of cause.
"Doesn't matter anyway, he's lost. It is over. He lost it weeks ago. No ground game, no GOV, no TV ads in the right states, demographics against him, shit debate etc etc etc."</blockquote
Yet he is just 2% behind with Fox tonight, which is even closer than most final polls had Remain to Leave
decent for Trump but looks like an outlier. Be interested to see if the other polls show that.
The post VP debate polls are generally showing it tighter
i think pussygate is really going to screw him over now. all over the news, everyone is talking about it.
I doubt it, most of his core supporters will not have done much different themselves and the main people who will be offended will be feminist women who are already behind Hillary anyway
You are surely right that it won't change many minds. The US is already highly polarized.
But it's all part of a drip, drip about Donald Trump's suitability to become President. And small things add up. If a few tens of middle class Republican women in Nevada or New Hampshire decide not to go to the polls in a month's time, it could result in quite a few electoral votes ending up in Hillary's column.
Middle class women who would have been offended by this type of thing will have switched to Hillary long ago anyway
Every single one? There won't be a single woman who decides not to go to the polling booth because she thinks Trump is a scumbag?
Can you imagine the Town Hall question towards Trump ? Especially from women ?
He better get practicing his apologies....
Trouble is he will just say he was being braggadocious. Unless a woman comes forward of cause.
Doesn't matter anyway, he's lost. It is over. He lost it weeks ago. No ground game, no GOV, no TV ads in the right states, demographics against him, shit debate etc etc etc.
And yet if Hillary has a major coughing fit on live TV during the debate, Trump might just win. Scary thought.
decent for Trump but looks like an outlier. Be interested to see if the other polls show that.
The post VP debate polls are generally showing it tighter
i think pussygate is really going to screw him over now. all over the news, everyone is talking about it.
I doubt it, most of his core supporters will not have done much different themselves and the main people who will be offended will be feminist women who are already behind Hillary anyway
You are surely right that it won't change many minds. The US is already highly polarized.
But it's all part of a drip, drip about Donald Trump's suitability to become President. And small things add up. If a few tens of middle class Republican women in Nevada or New Hampshire decide not to go to the polls in a month's time, it could result in quite a few electoral votes ending up in Hillary's column.
Middle class women who would have been offended by this type of thing will have switched to Hillary long ago anyway
Every single one? There won't be a single woman who decides not to go to the polling booth because she thinks Trump is a scumbag?
Can you imagine the Town Hall questions towards Trump ? Especially from women ?
Given Bill Clinton's record with women if the Clinton camp brings that up he can respond in kind, he is the US Berlusconi anyway, his supporters already know what he is like, they are not voting for him to be the next Pope!
He needs to expand his base. He can't win as he is currently.
Clinton never said anything half as bad as Trump said. And Bill isn't running, Trump is.
Heroin, funnily enough - !! - was given that name by the German doctors who invented it, because they thought it would make German soldiers heroically fearless (and it does make the user blithely and perilously indifferent to pain or danger)
Either way a deep interest in Wagner is a sign of an underlying nervous pathology, in men who want to be soldiers, but can't get it up anymore - or never could.
There's a new book out saying Hitler was utterly addicted to Eukodal (oxycodone) (a heroin type drug) after the 1944 bomb plot.
There's an urban myth (never entirely and satisfyingly disproved) that methadone was given its original name - Adolophine - in honour of a major early adopter, Adolf Hitler
Palin was hot favourite in early 2012 polling, in the end it went to the losing runner-up, Romney
But Palin never ran. Also Palin was terrible with her VP role.
Pence has done the opposite, he has made people wish he was the Presidential nominee.
Actually it was Palin who brought in the crowds for McCain, Pence is a reasonable no2, he has neither the presence or charisma or intelligence to be no1
decent for Trump but looks like an outlier. Be interested to see if the other polls show that.
The post VP debate polls are generally showing it tighter
i think pussygate is really going to screw him over now. all over the news, everyone is talking about it.
I doubt it, most of his core supporters will not have done much different themselves and the main people who will be offended will be feminist women who are already behind Hillary anyway
You are surely right that it won't change many minds. The US is already highly polarized.
But it's all part of a drip, drip about Donald Trump's suitability to become President. And small things add up. If a few tens of middle class Republican women in Nevada or New Hampshire decide not to go to the polls in a month's time, it could result in quite a few electoral votes ending up in Hillary's column.
Middle class women who would have been offended by this type of thing will have switched to Hillary long ago anyway
Every single one? There won't be a single woman who decides not to go to the polling booth because she thinks Trump is a scumbag?
Can you imagine the Town Hall questions towards Trump ? Especially from women ?
Given Bill Clinton's record with women if the Clinton camp brings that up he can respond in kind, he is the US Berlusconi anyway, his supporters already know what he is like, they are not voting for him to be the next Pope!
He needs to expand his base. He can't win as he is currently.
Clinton never said anything half as bad as Trump said. And Bill isn't running, Trump is.
and Trump would be wrong to bring up Bill's history. He's standing against Hillary.
decent for Trump but looks like an outlier. Be interested to see if the other polls show that.
The post VP debate polls are generally showing it tighter
i think pussygate is really going to screw him over now. all over the news, everyone is talking about it.
I doubt it, most of his core supporters will not have done much different themselves and the main people who will be offended will be feminist women who are already behind Hillary anyway
You are surely right that it won't change many minds. The US is already highly polarized.
But it's all part of a drip, drip about Donald Trump's suitability to become President. And small things add up. If a few tens of middle class Republican women in Nevada or New Hampshire decide not to go to the polls in a month's time, it could result in quite a few electoral votes ending up in Hillary's column.
Middle class women who would have been offended by this type of thing will have switched to Hillary long ago anyway
Every single one? There won't be a single woman who decides not to go to the polling booth because she thinks Trump is a scumbag?
Can you imagine the Town Hall question towards Trump ? Especially from women ?
He better get practicing his apologies....
Trouble is he will just say he was being braggadocious. Unless a woman comes forward of cause.
"Doesn't matter anyway, he's lost. It is over. He lost it weeks ago. No ground game, no GOV, no TV ads in the right states, demographics against him, shit debate etc etc etc."
Oh well, I guess we'll know soon enough. Only a month to go.
decent for Trump but looks like an outlier. Be interested to see if the other polls show that.
The post VP debate polls are generally showing it tighter
i think pussygate is really going to screw him over now. all over the news, everyone is talking about it.
I doubt it, most of his core supporters will not have done much different themselves and the main people who will be offended will be feminist women who are already behind Hillary anyway
You are surely right that it won't change many minds. The US is already highly polarized.
But it's all part of a drip, drip about Donald Trump's suitability to become President. And small things add up. If a few tens of middle class Republican women in Nevada or New Hampshire decide not to go to the polls in a month's time, it could result in quite a few electoral votes ending up in Hillary's column.
Middle class women who would have been offended by this type of thing will have switched to Hillary long ago anyway
Every single one? There won't be a single woman who decides not to go to the polling booth because she thinks Trump is a scumbag?
Can you imagine the Town Hall question towards Trump ? Especially from women ?
He better get practicing his apologies....
Trouble is he will just say he was being braggadocious. Unless a woman comes forward of cause.
Doesn't matter anyway, he's lost. It is over. He lost it weeks ago. No ground game, no GOV, no TV ads in the right states, demographics against him, shit debate etc etc etc.
A woman came forward a few years ago. Who said Trump grabbed her pussy
decent for Trump but looks like an outlier. Be interested to see if the other polls show that.
The post VP debate polls are generally showing it tighter
i think pussygate is really going to screw him over now. all over the news, everyone is talking about it.
I doubt it, most of his core supporters will not have done much different themselves and the main people who will be offended will be feminist women who are already behind Hillary anyway
You are surely right that it won't change many minds. The US is already highly polarized.
But it's all part of a drip, drip about Donald Trump's suitability to become President. And small things add up. If a few tens of middle class Republican women in Nevada or New Hampshire decide not to go to the polls in a month's time, it could result in quite a few electoral votes ending up in Hillary's column.
Middle class women who would have been offended by this type of thing will have switched to Hillary long ago anyway
Every single one? There won't be a single woman who decides not to go to the polling booth because she thinks Trump is a scumbag?
Can you imagine the Town Hall question towards Trump ? Especially from women ?
He better get practicing his apologies....
Trouble is he will just say he was being braggadocious. Unless a woman comes forward of cause.
Doesn't matter anyway, he's lost. It is over. He lost it weeks ago. No ground game, no GOV, no TV ads in the right states, demographics against him, shit debate etc etc etc.
And yet if Hillary has a major coughing fit on live TV during the debate, Trump might just win. Scary thought.
decent for Trump but looks like an outlier. Be interested to see if the other polls show that.
The post VP debate polls are generally showing it tighter
i think pussygate is really going to screw him over now. all over the news, everyone is talking about it.
I doubt it, most of his core supporters will not have done much different themselves and the main people who will be offended will be feminist women who are already behind Hillary anyway
You are surely right that it won't change many minds. The US is already highly polarized.
But it's all part of a drip, drip about Donald Trump's suitability to become President. And small things add up. If a few tens of middle class Republican women in Nevada or New Hampshire decide not to go to the polls in a month's time, it could result in quite a few electoral votes ending up in Hillary's column.
Middle class women who would have been offended by this type of thing will have switched to Hillary long ago anyway
Every single one? There won't be a single woman who decides not to go to the polling booth because she thinks Trump is a scumbag?
Can you imagine the Town Hall questions towards Trump ? Especially from women ?
Given Bill Clinton's record with women if the Clinton camp brings that up he can respond in kind, he is the US Berlusconi anyway, his supporters already know what he is like, they are not voting for him to be the next Pope!
He needs to expand his base. He can't win as he is currently.
Clinton never said anything half as bad as Trump said. And Bill isn't running, Trump is.
Precisely. Trump's ceiling is made of solid, reinforced concrete.
decent for Trump but looks like an outlier. Be interested to see if the other polls show that.
The post VP debate polls are generally showing it tighter
i think pussygate is really going to screw him over now. all over the news, everyone is talking about it.
I doubt it, most of his core supporters will not have done much different themselves and the main people who will be offended will be feminist women who are already behind Hillary anyway
You are surely right that it won't change many minds. The US is already highly polarized.
But it's all part of a drip, drip about Donald Trump's suitability to become President. And small things add up. If a few tens of middle class Republican women in Nevada or New Hampshire decide not to go to the polls in a month's time, it could result in quite a few electoral votes ending up in Hillary's column.
Middle class women who would have been offended by this type of thing will have switched to Hillary long ago anyway
Every single one? There won't be a single woman who decides not to go to the polling booth because she thinks Trump is a scumbag?
Can you imagine the Town Hall question towards Trump ? Especially from women ?
He better get practicing his apologies....
Trouble is he will just say he was being braggadocious. Unless a woman comes forward of cause.
Doesn't matter anyway, he's lost. It is over. He lost it weeks ago. No ground game, no GOV, no TV ads in the right states, demographics against him, shit debate etc etc etc.
A woman came forward a few years ago. Who said Trump grabbed her pussy
Reince Priebus, chairman of the Republican party, has condemned Donald Trump’s remarks as unequivocally wrong: “No woman should ever be described in these terms or talked about in this manner. Ever.”
decent for Trump but looks like an outlier. Be interested to see if the other polls show that.
The post VP debate polls are generally showing it tighter
i think pussygate is really going to screw him over now. all over the news, everyone is talking about it.
I doubt it, most of his core supporters will not have done much different themselves and the main people who will be offended will be feminist women who are already behind Hillary anyway
You are surely right that it won't change many minds. The US is already highly polarized.
But it's all part of a drip, drip about Donald Trump's suitability to become President. And small things add up. If a few tens of middle class Republican women in Nevada or New Hampshire decide not to go to the polls in a month's time, it could result in quite a few electoral votes ending up in Hillary's column.
Middle class women who would have been offended by this type of thing will have switched to Hillary long ago anyway
Every single one? There won't be a single woman who decides not to go to the polling booth because she thinks Trump is a scumbag?
Can you imagine the Town Hall question towards Trump ? Especially from women ?
He better get practicing his apologies....
Trouble is he will just say he was being braggadocious. Unless a woman comes forward of cause.
Doesn't matter anyway, he's lost. It is over. He lost it weeks ago. No ground game, no GOV, no TV ads in the right states, demographics against him, shit debate etc etc etc.
And yet if Hillary has a major coughing fit on live TV during the debate, Trump might just win. Scary thought.
Those who think Trump is a scumbag will not be voting for him now and were not voting for him yesterday
Until today I though that Trump was just a crazy idiot, now I know that he is a scumbag too.
It's amazing how my opinion of Trump has evolved since he got the nomination, I thought that it was just an act for the primaries, but gradually I've got convinced that it's not an act.
decent for Trump but looks like an outlier. Be interested to see if the other polls show that.
The post VP debate polls are generally showing it tighter
i think pussygate is really going to screw him over now. all over the news, everyone is talking about it.
I doubt it, most of his core supporters will not have done much different themselves and the main people who will be offended will be feminist women who are already behind Hillary anyway
You are surely right that it won't change many minds. The US is already highly polarized.
But it's all part of a drip, drip about Donald Trump's suitability to become President. And small things add up. If a few tens of middle class Republican women in Nevada or New Hampshire decide not to go to the polls in a month's time, it could result in quite a few electoral votes ending up in Hillary's column.
Middle class women who would have been offended by this type of thing will have switched to Hillary long ago anyway
Every single one? There won't be a single woman who decides not to go to the polling booth because she thinks Trump is a scumbag?
Can you imagine the Town Hall question towards Trump ? Especially from women ?
He better get practicing his apologies....
And yet if Hillary has a major coughing fit on live TV during the debate, Trump might just win. Scary thought.
Hillary would actually have to puke a lung now, live on TV, if she wants to lose.
Pity the American voters, but I can understand why they are holding their noses, shaking their heads, and sighingly voting for Clinton.
How did the Republicans contrive to lose this election against the worst Democrat candidate in decades? They need a reboot.
"How did the Republicans contrive to lose this election against the worst Democrat candidate in decades? They need a reboot."
A very good question. I suspect at least a dozen books are already being written on that subject.
Reince Priebus, chairman of the Republican party, has condemned Donald Trump’s remarks as unequivocally wrong: “No woman should ever be described in these terms or talked about in this manner. Ever.”
Another nail in the coffin. At what point does Trump withdraw and laugh in all our faces?
Are you in deepest darkest Devon ala Bovey Tracey?
Blissful by Primrose Hill. Off to Devon Sunday
oooof.
Be interested to know how Gidleigh Park is after Michael Caines has been replaced by Michael Wignall. I ate several times at Gidleigh when Caines himself was in the kitchen. His palate for fish dishes is exquisite and (unusually) I didn't begrudge the sizeable tab.
The setting for Gidleigh is delightful - and still manages to pull off the Edwardian weekend house-guest vibe. I've also stayed at Bovey Castle, but found it much more "corporate", albeit, very well run corporate.
Speedy - why do you keep running this concept of Trump resigning the nomination. It's not going to happen any more than Corbyn is going to resign.
Less, in fact. Not only will not Trump resign but he cannot resign. His name is literally on the ballots.
He can resign any time he likes, his name will still be on the ballot but the ballots cast with his name on will be counted for the new nominee not Trump.
And the RNC can nominate whoever they like once Trump resigns.
I insist on bringing that up because it's clear that Trump is not up to the job and neither is Hillary, the best thing for america and the world is for Trump to resign so that Hillary loses too.
It's not clear to him.
In any case, he can't resign as easily as you say. The RNC can nominate another candidate but where filing deadlines have passed - virtually everywhere now - it will be Trump that people are voting for, and while in theory the electors could vote for the new candidate, not every state allows electors to go rogue - some have legal sanctions on such actions - and other electors may not choose to follow Trump out of the race. Besides, do you really think the electorate would accept a change forced on them at this late stage, when the new candidate wouldn't be tested in debates or on the hustings?
Reince Priebus, chairman of the Republican party, has condemned Donald Trump’s remarks as unequivocally wrong: “No woman should ever be described in these terms or talked about in this manner. Ever.”
Another nail in the coffin. At what point does Trump withdraw and laugh in all our faces?
Do you really think one Trump voter is voting for him because Priebus says he should, most are fed up with the GOP establishment anyway and note Priebus did not disendorse Trump either
Reince Priebus, chairman of the Republican party, has condemned Donald Trump’s remarks as unequivocally wrong: “No woman should ever be described in these terms or talked about in this manner. Ever.”
Another nail in the coffin. At what point does Trump withdraw and laugh in all our faces?
Do you really think one Trump voter is voting for him because Priebus says he should, most are fed up with the GOP establishment anyway and note Priebus did not disendorse Trump either
its make a difference for GOTV and money for the campaign.
Reince Priebus, chairman of the Republican party, has condemned Donald Trump’s remarks as unequivocally wrong: “No woman should ever be described in these terms or talked about in this manner. Ever.”
Another nail in the coffin. At what point does Trump withdraw and laugh in all our faces?
Do you really think one Trump voter is voting for him because Priebus says he should, most are fed up with the GOP establishment anyway and note Priebus did not disendorse Trump either
its make a difference for GOTV and money for the campaign.
Speedy - why do you keep running this concept of Trump resigning the nomination. It's not going to happen any more than Corbyn is going to resign.
Less, in fact. Not only will not Trump resign but he cannot resign. His name is literally on the ballots.
He can resign any time he likes, his name will still be on the ballot but the ballots cast with his name on will be counted for the new nominee not Trump.
And the RNC can nominate whoever they like once Trump resigns.
I insist on bringing that up because it's clear that Trump is not up to the job and neither is Hillary, the best thing for america and the world is for Trump to resign so that Hillary loses too.
It's not clear to him.
In any case, he can't resign as easily as you say. The RNC can nominate another candidate but where filing deadlines have passed - virtually everywhere now - it will be Trump that people are voting for, and while in theory the electors could vote for the new candidate, not every state allows electors to go rogue - some have legal sanctions on such actions - and other electors may not choose to follow Trump out of the race. Besides, do you really think the electorate would accept a change forced on them at this late stage, when the new candidate wouldn't be tested in debates or on the hustings?
Yup, the Dems would tell the voters they'd get Trump anyway. No idea if that could be true, but the voters would believe it.
To bring the maneuvre off they need Trump to actually literally die.
decent for Trump but looks like an outlier. Be interested to see if the other polls show that.
The post VP debate polls are generally showing it tighter
i think pussygate is really going to screw him over now. all over the news, everyone is talking about it.
I doubt it, most of his core supporters will not have done much different themselves and the main people who will be offended will be feminist women who are already behind Hillary anyway
You are surely right that it won't change many minds. The US is already highly polarized.
But it's all part of a drip, drip about Donald Trump's suitability to become President. And small things add up. If a few tens of middle class Republican women in Nevada or New Hampshire decide not to go to the polls in a month's time, it could result in quite a few electoral votes ending up in Hillary's column.
Middle class women who would have been offended by this type of thing will have switched to Hillary long ago anyway
Every single one? There won't be a single woman who decides not to go to the polling booth because she thinks Trump is a scumbag?
Can you imagine the Town Hall questions towards Trump ? Especially from women ?
Given Bill Clinton's record with women if the Clinton camp brings that up he can respond in kind, he is the US Berlusconi anyway, his supporters already know what he is like, they are not voting for him to be the next Pope!
He needs to expand his base. He can't win as he is currently.
Clinton never said anything half as bad as Trump said. And Bill isn't running, Trump is.
There are plenty of allegations against Bill in similar vein and Hillary stood by him and did nothing
Reince Priebus, chairman of the Republican party, has condemned Donald Trump’s remarks as unequivocally wrong: “No woman should ever be described in these terms or talked about in this manner. Ever.”
Another nail in the coffin. At what point does Trump withdraw and laugh in all our faces?
Do you really think one Trump voter is voting for him because Priebus says he should, most are fed up with the GOP establishment anyway and note Priebus did not disendorse Trump either
its make a difference for GOTV and money for the campaign.
Trump has plenty of money and Trump voters will be going out to vote for him regardless of what the GOP establishment does
Speedy - why do you keep running this concept of Trump resigning the nomination. It's not going to happen any more than Corbyn is going to resign.
Less, in fact. Not only will not Trump resign but he cannot resign. His name is literally on the ballots.
He can resign any time he likes, his name will still be on the ballot but the ballots cast with his name on will be counted for the new nominee not Trump.
And the RNC can nominate whoever they like once Trump resigns.
I insist on bringing that up because it's clear that Trump is not up to the job and neither is Hillary, the best thing for america and the world is for Trump to resign so that Hillary loses too.
It's not clear to him.
In any case, he can't resign as easily as you say. The RNC can nominate another candidate but where filing deadlines have passed - virtually everywhere now - it will be Trump that people are voting for, and while in theory the electors could vote for the new candidate, not every state allows electors to go rogue - some have legal sanctions on such actions - and other electors may not choose to follow Trump out of the race. Besides, do you really think the electorate would accept a change forced on them at this late stage, when the new candidate wouldn't be tested in debates or on the hustings?
Yup, the Dems would tell the voters they'd get Trump anyway. No idea if that could be true, but the voters would believe it.
To bring the maneuvre off they need Trump to actually literally die.
Hillary would actually have to puke a lung now, live on TV, if she wants to lose.
Pity the American voters, but I can understand why they are holding their noses, shaking their heads, and sighingly voting for Clinton.
How did the Republicans contrive to lose this election against the worst Democrat candidate in decades? They need a reboot.
"How did the Republicans contrive to lose this election against the worst Democrat candidate in decades? They need a reboot."
A very good question. I suspect at least a dozen books are already being written on that subject.
It's simple.
Trump has spent his life on TV, mostly peddiling slogans, commercials and a few lines in his shows. He took Perot's and Buchanan's policies and merged them with some simple slogans and soundbites.
Add to the above the obsession of americans with celebrity and the incompetence, the indifference and the corruption of the republican establishment and he was without serious competition.
Celebrity+Populism+Incompetent and Corrupt Elite=Success
Hillary would actually have to puke a lung now, live on TV, if she wants to lose.
Pity the American voters, but I can understand why they are holding their noses, shaking their heads, and sighingly voting for Clinton.
How did the Republicans contrive to lose this election against the worst Democrat candidate in decades? They need a reboot.
"How did the Republicans contrive to lose this election against the worst Democrat candidate in decades? They need a reboot."
A very good question. I suspect at least a dozen books are already being written on that subject.
It's simple.
Trump has spent his life on TV, mostly peddiling slogans, commercials and a few lines in his shows. He took Perot's and Buchanan's policies and merged them with some simple slogans and soundbites.
Add to the above the obsession of americans with celebrity and the incompetence, the indifference and the corruption of the republican establishment and he was without serious competition.
Celebrity+Populism+Incompetent and Corrupt Elite=Success
Trump has connected with white working class anger in a way Jeb Bush or Rubio could never have done and he is better on TV than Cruz, the elites have already written him off and his obituary is being written tonight yet the latest Rasmussen and Fox polls have it almost neck and neck. The big story tonight in the longer term is Hillary's call for 'open borders' everybody already knows Trump is a sexist
"Grab 'em by the p***y" will surely lose Trump votes. If his support from other leading Republicans falls away, will there come a point when he reads the writing on the wall and bails?
Trump has connected with white working class anger in a way Jeb Bush or Rubio could never have done and he is better on TV than Cruz, the elites have already written him off and his obituary is being written tonight yet the latest Rasmussen and Fox polls have it almost neck and neck. The big story tonight in the longer term is Hillary's call for 'open borders' everybody already knows Trump is a sexist
Speedy - why do you keep running this concept of Trump resigning the nomination. It's not going to happen any more than Corbyn is going to resign.
Less, in fact. Not only will not Trump resign but he cannot resign. His name is literally on the ballots.
He can resign any time he likes, his name will still be on the ballot but the ballots cast with his name on will be counted for the new nominee not Trump.
And the RNC can nominate whoever they like once Trump resigns.
I insist on bringing that up because it's clear that Trump is not up to the job and neither is Hillary, the best thing for america and the world is for Trump to resign so that Hillary loses too.
It's not clear to him.
In any case, he can't resign as easily as you say. The RNC can nominate another candidate but where filing deadlines have passed - virtually everywhere now - it will be Trump that people are voting for, and while in theory the electors could vote for the new candidate, not every state allows electors to go rogue - some have legal sanctions on such actions - and other electors may not choose to follow Trump out of the race. Besides, do you really think the electorate would accept a change forced on them at this late stage, when the new candidate wouldn't be tested in debates or on the hustings?
There is still one last debate, assuming Trump doesn't resign before Sunday.
In theory some electors from some states would be bound to vote for Trump regardless if he resigned, however I expect in that case to be clear that the GOP controlled Congress would then select the new nominee as the next President since no one would have 270 electors.
It still works pretty well, and in the crazy year of 2016 anything could happen.
And there is already polling evidence that Republican voters would be really happy with such change.
decent for Trump but looks like an outlier. Be interested to see if the other polls show that.
The post VP debate polls are generally showing it tighter
i think pussygate is really going to screw him over now. all over the news, everyone is talking about it.
I doubt it, most of his core supporters will not have done much different themselves and the main people who will be offended will be feminist women who are already behind Hillary anyway
You are surely right that it won't change many minds. The US is already highly polarized.
But it's all part of a drip, drip about Donald Trump's suitability to become President. And small things add up. If a few tens of middle class Republican women in Nevada or New Hampshire decide not to go to the polls in a month's time, it could result in quite a few electoral votes ending up in Hillary's column.
Middle class women who would have been offended by this type of thing will have switched to Hillary long ago anyway
Every single one? There won't be a single woman who decides not to go to the polling booth because she thinks Trump is a scumbag?
Can you imagine the Town Hall questions towards Trump ? Especially from women ?
Given Bill Clinton's record with women if the Clinton camp brings that up he can respond in kind, he is the US Berlusconi anyway, his supporters already know what he is like, they are not voting for him to be the next Pope!
He needs to expand his base. He can't win as he is currently.
Clinton never said anything half as bad as Trump said. And Bill isn't running, Trump is.
There are plenty of allegations against Bill in similar vein and Hillary stood by him and did nothing
allegations arent as damaging as A VIDEO RECORDING BOASTING ABOUT SEXUAL ASSAULT
decent for Trump but looks like an outlier. Be interested to see if the other polls show that.
The post VP debate polls are generally showing it tighter
i think pussygate is really going to screw him over now. all over the news, everyone is talking about it.
I doubt it, most of his core supporters will not have done much different themselves and the main people who will be offended will be feminist women who are already behind Hillary anyway
You are surely right that it won't change many minds. The US is already highly polarized.
But it's all part of a drip, drip about Donald Trump's suitability to become President. And small things add up. If a few tens of middle class Republican women in Nevada or New Hampshire decide not to go to the polls in a month's time, it could result in quite a few electoral votes ending up in Hillary's column.
Middle class women who would have been offended by this type of thing will have switched to Hillary long ago anyway
Every single one? There won't be a single woman who decides not to go to the polling booth because she thinks Trump is a scumbag?
Can you imagine the Town Hall questions towards Trump ? Especially from women ?
Given Bill Clinton's record with women if the Clinton camp brings that up he can respond in kind, he is the US Berlusconi anyway, his supporters already know what he is like, they are not voting for him to be the next Pope!
He needs to expand his base. He can't win as he is currently.
Clinton never said anything half as bad as Trump said. And Bill isn't running, Trump is.
There are plenty of allegations against Bill in similar vein and Hillary stood by him and did nothing
allegations arent as damaging as A VIDEO RECORDING BOASTING ABOUT SEXUAL ASSAULT
decent for Trump but looks like an outlier. Be interested to see if the other polls show that.
The post VP debate polls are generally showing it tighter
i think pussygate is really going to screw him over now. all over the news, everyone is talking about it.
I doubt it, most of his core supporters will not have done much different themselves and the main people who will be offended will be feminist women who are already behind Hillary anyway
You are surely right that it won't change many minds. The US is already highly polarized.
But it's all part of a drip, drip about Donald Trump's suitability to become President. And small things add up. If a few tens of middle class Republican women in Nevada or New Hampshire decide not to go to the polls in a month's time, it could result in quite a few electoral votes ending up in Hillary's column.
Middle class women who would have been offended by this type of thing will have switched to Hillary long ago anyway
Every single one? There won't be a single woman who decides not to go to the polling booth because she thinks Trump is a scumbag?
Can you imagine the Town Hall questions towards Trump ? Especially from women ?
Given Bill Clinton's record with women if the Clinton camp brings that up he can respond in kind, he is the US Berlusconi anyway, his supporters already know what he is like, they are not voting for him to be the next Pope!
He needs to expand his base. He can't win as he is currently.
Clinton never said anything half as bad as Trump said. And Bill isn't running, Trump is.
There are plenty of allegations against Bill in similar vein and Hillary stood by him and did nothing
allegations arent as damaging as A VIDEO RECORDING BOASTING ABOUT SEXUAL ASSAULT
He never assaulted anyone, it was all banter, as opposed to the numerous women who made allegations against Clinton from Gennifer Flowers to Lewinsky on
Trump has connected with white working class anger in a way Jeb Bush or Rubio could never have done and he is better on TV than Cruz, the elites have already written him off and his obituary is being written tonight yet the latest Rasmussen and Fox polls have it almost neck and neck. The big story tonight in the longer term is Hillary's call for 'open borders' everybody already knows Trump is a sexist
It's not sexism, it's sexual assault.
Has he been charged with sexual assault? NO. So no it is not actually
Trump has connected with white working class anger in a way Jeb Bush or Rubio could never have done and he is better on TV than Cruz, the elites have already written him off and his obituary is being written tonight yet the latest Rasmussen and Fox polls have it almost neck and neck. The big story tonight in the longer term is Hillary's call for 'open borders' everybody already knows Trump is a sexist
Are you in deepest darkest Devon ala Bovey Tracey?
Blissful by Primrose Hill. Off to Devon Sunday
oooof.
Be interested to know how Gidleigh Park is after Michael Caines has been replaced by Michael Wignall. I ate several times at Gidleigh when Caines himself was in the kitchen. His palate for fish dishes is exquisite and (unusually) I didn't begrudge the sizeable tab.
The setting for Gidleigh is delightful - and still manages to pull off the Edwardian weekend house-guest vibe. I've also stayed at Bovey Castle, but found it much more "corporate", albeit, very well run corporate.
Have a great weekend.
Do you have a favourite Devon/Dartmoor restaurant? They're all keen to host me, from the Horn of Plenty to Two Bridges to Ilsington to Borradon to Mill End in Chagford but I can't eat in them all.
Yeah, tough gig.
But seriously, I have to choose one or two, what's your faves?
You won't be dining with the plebs at the Trego Mills food court then?
Speedy - why do you keep running this concept of Trump resigning the nomination. It's not going to happen any more than Corbyn is going to resign.
Less, in fact. Not only will not Trump resign but he cannot resign. His name is literally on the ballots.
He can resign any time he likes, his name will still be on the ballot but the ballots cast with his name on will be counted for the new nominee not Trump.
And the RNC can nominate whoever they like once Trump resigns.
I insist on bringing that up because it's clear that Trump is not up to the job and neither is Hillary, the best thing for america and the world is for Trump to resign so that Hillary loses too.
Good post. It isn't totally clear what will happen if Trump resigns, but the "name must be on the ballot for a candidate to win" argument is unconvincing. What about the write-in option? Sure, writing it in means writing it on the ballot, but if a write-in candidate wins who are the electors who will vote for them in the EC? If Trump resigns and the RNC choose Pence, and a few states say the only options are what are written on the ballot and then when they get taken to the Supreme Court by the Republican Party - who argue that a vote for Trump is now a vote for Pence - the states win, and then the Republican party continues to say the same thing, and "Trump" wins, and the electors vote for Pence anyway, are the states going to jail them? And even if they do, what happens then? Will they demand that Congress gives those electors' ballots back and accepts new ones from new electors? Where's that in the constitution? In practice, if Trump resigns the RNC will replace him and his replacement - probably Mike Pence - will very probably beat Clinton and become the new president. "Grab 'em by the p***y" could mean it's all over by Monday.
Are you in deepest darkest Devon ala Bovey Tracey?
Blissful by Primrose Hill. Off to Devon Sunday
oooof.
Be interested to know how Gidleigh Park is after Michael Caines has been replaced by Michael Wignall. I ate several times at Gidleigh when Caines himself was in the kitchen. His palate for fish dishes is exquisite and (unusually) I didn't begrudge the sizeable tab.
The setting for Gidleigh is delightful - and still manages to pull off the Edwardian weekend house-guest vibe. I've also stayed at Bovey Castle, but found it much more "corporate", albeit, very well run corporate.
Have a great weekend.
Do you have a favourite Devon/Dartmoor restaurant? They're all keen to host me, from the Horn of Plenty to Two Bridges to Ilsington to Borradon to Mill End in Chagford but I can't eat in them all.
Yeah, tough gig.
But seriously, I have to choose one or two, what's your faves?
You won't be dining with the plebs at the Trego Mills food court then?
Mmm
No
As I thought, bloody Metropolitan Elitist Grockle ;-)
Fox national Clinton 44% Trump 42% Johnson 6% Stein 2%. 70% of Trump backers support him 'strongly' if the other polls show that.
The post VP debate polls are generally showing it tighter
i think pussygate is really going to screw him over now. all over the news, everyone is talking about it.
I doubt it, most of his core supporters will not have done much different themselves and the main people who will be offended will be feminist women who are already behind Hillary anyway
You are surely right that it won't change many minds. The US is already highly polarized.
But it's all part of a drip, drip about Donald Trump's suitability to become President. And small things add up. If a few tens of middle class Republican women in Nevada or New Hampshire decide not to go to the polls in a month's time, it could result in quite a few electoral votes ending up in Hillary's column.
Middle class women who would have been offended by this type of thing will have switched to Hillary long ago anyway
Every single one? There won't be a single woman who decides not to go to the polling booth because she thinks Trump is a scumbag?
Can you imagine the Town Hall questions towards Trump ? Especially from women ?
Given Bill Clinton's record with women if the Clinton camp brings that up he can respond in kind, he is the US Berlusconi anyway, his supporters already know what he is like, they are not voting for him to be the next Pope!
He needs to expand his base. He can't win as he is currently.
Clinton never said anything half as bad as Trump said. And Bill isn't running, Trump is.
There are plenty of allegations against Bill in similar vein and Hillary stood by him and did nothing
allegations arent as damaging as A VIDEO RECORDING BOASTING ABOUT SEXUAL ASSAULT
He never assaulted anyone, it was all banter, as opposed to the numerous women who made allegations against Clinton from Gennifer Flowers to Lewinsky on
dude he is saying he kisses women and grabs their pussy without permission. thats admitting to sexual assault
and Trump has a couple of sexual assault cases in the courts at the moment.
Speedy - why do you keep running this concept of Trump resigning the nomination. It's not going to happen any more than Corbyn is going to resign.
Less, in fact. Not only will not Trump resign but he cannot resign. His name is literally on the ballots.
He can resign any time he likes, his name will still be on the ballot but the ballots cast with his name on will be counted for the new nominee not Trump.
And the RNC can nominate whoever they like once Trump resigns.
I insist on bringing that up because it's clear that Trump is not up to the job and neither is Hillary, the best thing for america and the world is for Trump to resign so that Hillary loses too.
Good post. It isn't totally clear what will happen if Trump resigns, but the "name must be on the ballot for a candidate to win" argument is unconvincing. What about the write-in option? Sure, writing it in means writing it on the ballot, but if a write-in candidate wins who are the electors who will vote for them in the EC? If Trump resigns and the RNC choose Pence, and a few states say the only options are what are written on the ballot and then when they get taken to the Supreme Court by the Republican Party - who argue that a vote for Trump is now a vote for Pence - the states win, and then the Republican party continues to say the same thing, and "Trump" wins, and the electors vote for Pence anyway, are the states going to jail them? And even if they do, what happens then? Will they demand that Congress gives those electors' ballots back and accepts new ones from new electors? Where's that in the constitution? In practice, if Trump resigns the RNC will replace him and his replacement - probably Mike Pence - will very probably beat Clinton and become the new president. "Grab 'em by the p***y" could mean it's all over by Monday.
The idea that some banter made 11 years ago will end his campaign is farcical, the second debate is first anyway on Sunday
Trump has connected with white working class anger in a way Jeb Bush or Rubio could never have done and he is better on TV than Cruz, the elites have already written him off and his obituary is being written tonight yet the latest Rasmussen and Fox polls have it almost neck and neck. The big story tonight in the longer term is Hillary's call for 'open borders' everybody already knows Trump is a sexist
It's not sexism, it's sexual assault.
Has he been charged with sexual assault? NO. So no it is not actually
he says he commits sexual assault. Or are u sayimg grabbing a womans vagina isnt sexual assault?
Trump has connected with white working class anger in a way Jeb Bush or Rubio could never have done and he is better on TV than Cruz, the elites have already written him off and his obituary is being written tonight yet the latest Rasmussen and Fox polls have it almost neck and neck. The big story tonight in the longer term is Hillary's call for 'open borders' everybody already knows Trump is a sexist
It's not sexism, it's sexual assault.
Has he been charged with sexual assault? NO. So no it is not actually
he says he commits sexual assault. Or are u sayimg grabbing a womans vagina isnt sexual assault?
Unless and until a complaint is made and he is charged no, no sexual assault has been committed
Fox national Clinton 44% Trump 42% Johnson 6% Stein 2%. 70% of Trump backers support him 'strongly' if the other polls show that.
The post VP debate polls are generally showing it tighter
i think pussygate is really going to screw him over now. all over the news, everyone is talking about it.
I doubt it, most of his core supporters will not have done much different themselves and the main people who will be offended will be feminist women who are already behind Hillary anyway
You are surely right that it won't change many minds. The US is already highly polarized.
But it's all part of a drip, drip about Donald Trump's suitability to become President. And small things add up. If a few tens of blockquote>
Middle class women who would have been offended by this type of thing will have switched to Hillary long ago anyway
Every single one? There won't be a single woman who decides not to go to the polling booth because she thinks Trump is a scumbag?
Can you imagine the Town Hall questions towards Trump ? Especially from women ?
Given Bill Clinton's record with women if the Clinton camp brings that up he can respond in kind, he is the US Berlusconi anyway, his supporters already know what he is like, they are not voting for him to be the next Pope!
He needs to expand his base. He can't win as he is currently.
Clinton never said anything half as bad as Trump said. And Bill isn't running, Trump is.
There are plenty of allegations against Bill in similar vein and Hillary stood by him and did nothing
allegations arent as damaging as A VIDEO RECORDING BOASTING ABOUT SEXUAL ASSAULT
He never assaulted anyone, it was all banter, as opposed to the numerous women who made allegations against Clinton from Gennifer Flowers to Lewinsky on
dude he is saying he kisses women and grabs their pussy without permission. thats admitting to sexual assault
and Trump has a couple of sexual assault cases in the courts at the moment.
also, Bill clinton wasnt charged or comvicted.
There were more allegations made against Clinton than Trump and Trump has not been charged or convicted either
1992 - Ted Weiss, congressman for New York and candidate for re-election, died on 14 September, and his name stayed on the ballots. The Democrats nominated a replacement, Jerrold Nadler, and told everyone that a vote for Weiss was a vote for Nadler. "Weiss", and therefore Nadler, won. Nadler was considered duly elected.
The name on the ballot isn't the issue. What is the issue is the role of the electors. And another issue is what Betfair will say. But if Trump gets replaced by Pence and Pence gets elected I don't think they'll have much room for manoeuvre even if they wanted it.
Good post. It isn't totally clear what will happen if Trump resigns, but the "name must be on the ballot for a candidate to win" argument is unconvincing. What about the write-in option? Sure, writing it in means writing it on the ballot, but if a write-in candidate wins who are the electors who will vote for them in the EC? If Trump resigns and the RNC choose Pence, and a few states say the only options are what are written on the ballot and then when they get taken to the Supreme Court by the Republican Party - who argue that a vote for Trump is now a vote for Pence - the states win, and then the Republican party continues to say the same thing, and "Trump" wins, and the electors vote for Pence anyway, are the states going to jail them? And even if they do, what happens then? Will they demand that Congress gives those electors' ballots back and accepts new ones from new electors? Where's that in the constitution? In practice, if Trump resigns the RNC will replace him and his replacement - probably Mike Pence - will very probably beat Clinton and become the new president. "Grab 'em by the p***y" could mean it's all over by Monday.
To make it clearer, this is how it would work :
Step 1. Trump resigns the nomination.
Step 2. RNC selects a new nominee as a fast as possible, probably Pence.
Step 3. Although Trump's name is still on the ballot, everyone will know that it would be a vote for Pence.
Step 4. Some states legally require their electors to vote only for the person on the ballot who won their state, in that case Trump would get some electoral votes so neither Pence or Hillary get to 270 electoral votes.
Step 5. The GOP controlled Congress votes, in the case no one gets to 270, for Pence to be President.
Optional Step 6: President Pence pardons Trump in exchange for his resignation.
Good post. It isn't totally clear what will happen if Trump resigns, but the "name must be on the ballot for a candidate to win" argument is unconvincing. What about the write-in option? Sure, writing it in means writing it on the ballot, but if a write-in candidate wins who are the electors who will vote for them in the EC? If Trump resigns and the RNC choose Pence, and a few states say the only options are what are written on the ballot and then when they get taken to the Supreme Court by the Republican Party - who argue that a vote for Trump is now a vote for Pence - the states win, and then the Republican party continues to say the same thing, and "Trump" wins, and the electors vote for Pence anyway, are the states going to jail them? And even if they do, what happens then? Will they demand that Congress gives those electors' ballots back and accepts new ones from new electors? Where's that in the constitution? In practice, if Trump resigns the RNC will replace him and his replacement - probably Mike Pence - will very probably beat Clinton and become the new president. "Grab 'em by the p***y" could mean it's all over by Monday.
To make it clearer, this is how it would work :
Step 1. Trump resigns the nomination.
Step 2. RNC selects a new nominee as a fast as possible, probably Pence.
Step 3. Although Trump's name is still on the ballot, everyone will know that it would be a vote for Pence.
Step 4. Some states legally require their electors to vote only for the person on the ballot who won their state, in that case Trump would get some electoral votes so neither Pence or Hillary get to 270 electoral votes.
Step 5. The GOP controlled Congress votes, in the case no one gets to 270, for Pence to be President.
Optional Step 6: President Pence pardons Trump in exchange for his resignation.
Goodnight.
Step 7: Betfair apply their rules and pay out on Pence :-)
Good post. It isn't totally clear what will happen if Trump resigns, but the "name must be on the ballot for a candidate to win" argument is unconvincing. What about the write-in option? Sure, writing it in means writing it on the ballot, but if a write-in candidate wins who are the electors who will vote for them in the EC? If Trump resigns and the RNC choose Pence, and a few states say the only options are what are written on the ballot and then when they get taken to the Supreme Court by the Republican Party - who argue that a vote for Trump is now a vote for Pence - the states win, and then the Republican party continues to say the same thing, and "Trump" wins, and the electors vote for Pence anyway, are the states going to jail them? And even if they do, what happens then? Will they demand that Congress gives those electors' ballots back and accepts new ones from new electors? Where's that in the constitution? In practice, if Trump resigns the RNC will replace him and his replacement - probably Mike Pence - will very probably beat Clinton and become the new president. "Grab 'em by the p***y" could mean it's all over by Monday.
To make it clearer, this is how it would work :
Step 1. Trump resigns the nomination.
Step 2. RNC selects a new nominee as a fast as possible, probably Pence.
Step 3. Although Trump's name is still on the ballot, everyone will know that it would be a vote for Pence.
Step 4. Some states legally require their electors to vote only for the person on the ballot who won their state, in that case Trump would get some electoral votes so neither Pence or Hillary get to 270 electoral votes.
Step 5. The GOP controlled Congress votes, in the case no one gets to 270, for Pence to be President.
Optional Step 6: President Pence pardons Trump in exchange for his resignation.
Goodnight.
Not going to happen, Trump won the nomination fair and square
Are you in deepest darkest Devon ala Bovey Tracey?
Blissful by Primrose Hill. Off to Devon Sunday
oooof.
Useless fact: some of my ancestors are from the Milton Damerel area in west Devon. Found out when doing family tree research. Cornwall probably would have been more interesting.
decent for Trump but looks like an outlier. Be interested to see if the other polls show that.
The post VP debate polls are generally showing it tighter
i think pussygate is really going to screw him over now. all over the news, everyone is talking about it.
I doubt it, most of his core supporters will not have done much different themselves and the main people who will be offended will be feminist women who are already behind Hillary anyway
You are surely right that it won't change many minds. The US is already highly polarized.
But it's all part of a drip, drip about Donald Trump's suitability to become President. And small things add up. If a few tens of middle class Republican women in Nevada or New Hampshire decide not to go to the polls in a month's time, it could result in quite a few electoral votes ending up in Hillary's column.
Middle class women who would have been offended by this type of thing will have switched to Hillary long ago anyway
Every single one? There won't be a single woman who decides not to go to the polling booth because she thinks Trump is a scumbag?
Those who think Trump is a scumbag will not be voting for him now and were not voting for him yesterday
He can still win if the main concern of voters is sticking two fingers up at the establishment. (Or rather one finger in the United States. Interesting that two fingers doesn't mean anything there).
decent for Trump but looks like an outlier. Be interested to see if the other polls show that.
The post VP debate polls are generally showing it tighter
i think pussygate is really going to screw him over now. all over the news, everyone is talking about it.
I doubt it, most of his core supporters will not have done much different themselves and the main people who will be offended will be feminist women who are already behind Hillary anyway
You are surely right that it won't change many minds. The US is already highly polarized.
But it's all part of a drip, drip about Donald Trump's suitability to become President. And small things add up. If a few tens of middle class Republican women in Nevada or New Hampshire decide not to go to the polls in a month's time, it could result in quite a few electoral votes ending up in Hillary's column.
Middle class women who would have been offended by this type of thing will have switched to Hillary long ago anyway
Every single one? There won't be a single woman who decides not to go to the polling booth because she thinks Trump is a scumbag?
Those who think Trump is a scumbag will not be voting for him now and were not voting for him yesterday
He can still win if the main concern of voters is sticking two fingers up at the establishment. (Or rather one finger in the United States).
For many it certainly is, Trump is their anti establishment champion and the fact the establishment loathes him may only fire them up even more
decent for Trump but looks like an outlier. Be interested to see if the other polls show that.
The post VP debate polls are generally showing it tighter
i think pussygate is really going to screw him over now. all over the news, everyone is talking about it.
I doubt it, most of his core supporters will not have done much different themselves and the main people who will be offended will be feminist women who are already behind Hillary anyway
You are surely right that it won't change many minds. The US is already highly polarized.
But it's all part of a drip, drip about Donald Trump's suitability to become President. And small things add up. If a few tens of middle class Republican women in Nevada or New Hampshire decide not to go to the polls in a month's time, it could result in quite a few electoral votes ending up in Hillary's column.
Middle class women who would have been offended by this type of thing will have switched to Hillary long ago anyway
Every single one? There won't be a single woman who decides not to go to the polling booth because she thinks Trump is a scumbag?
Those who think Trump is a scumbag will not be voting for him now and were not voting for him yesterday
He can still win if the main concern of voters is sticking two fingers up at the establishment. (Or rather one finger in the United States. Interesting that two fingers doesn't mean anything there).
even if it means voting in a sexist, racist pig like Trump? I dont buy it.
decent for Trump but looks like an outlier. Be interested to see if the other polls show that.
The post VP debate polls are generally showing it tighter
i think pussygate is really going to screw him over now. all over the news, everyone is talking about it.
I doubt it, most of his core supporters will not have done much different themselves and the main people who will be offended will be feminist women who are already behind Hillary anyway
You are surely right that it won't change many minds. The US is already highly polarized.
But it's all part of a drip, drip about Donald Trump's suitability to become President. And small things add up. If a few tens of middle class Republican women in Nevada or New Hampshire decide not to go to the polls in a month's time, it could result in quite a few electoral votes ending up in Hillary's column.
Middle class women who would have been offended by this type of thing will have switched to Hillary long ago anyway
Every single one? There won't be a single woman who decides not to go to the polling booth because she thinks Trump is a scumbag?
Those who think Trump is a scumbag will not be voting for him now and were not voting for him yesterday
He can still win if the main concern of voters is sticking two fingers up at the establishment. (Or rather one finger in the United States. Interesting that two fingers doesn't mean anything there).
even if it means voting in a sexist, racist pig like Trump? I dont buy it.
Sexist, racist pigs can win, see Silvio Berlusconi!
Trump has connected with white working class anger in a way Jeb Bush or Rubio could never have done and he is better on TV than Cruz, the elites have already written him off and his obituary is being written tonight yet the latest Rasmussen and Fox polls have it almost neck and neck. The big story tonight in the longer term is Hillary's call for 'open borders' everybody already knows Trump is a sexist
It's not sexism, it's sexual assault.
Has he been charged with sexual assault? NO. So no it is not actually
Sexual assault is what he's confessing to on the tape.
Trump has connected with white working class anger in a way Jeb Bush or Rubio could never have done and he is better on TV than Cruz, the elites have already written him off and his obituary is being written tonight yet the latest Rasmussen and Fox polls have it almost neck and neck. The big story tonight in the longer term is Hillary's call for 'open borders' everybody already knows Trump is a sexist
It's not sexism, it's sexual assault.
Has he been charged with sexual assault? NO. So no it is not actually
Sexual assault is what he's confessing to on the tape.
Unless a complaint was made and a charge was brought, neither of which occurred, it is all banter
Trump has connected with white working class anger in a way Jeb Bush or Rubio could never have done and he is better on TV than Cruz, the elites have already written him off and his obituary is being written tonight yet the latest Rasmussen and Fox polls have it almost neck and neck. The big story tonight in the longer term is Hillary's call for 'open borders' everybody already knows Trump is a sexist
It's not sexism, it's sexual assault.
Has he been charged with sexual assault? NO. So no it is not actually
Sexual assault is what he's confessing to on the tape.
It doesn't prove it, since he could have been bragging. Wouldn't surprise me if true though.
decent for Trump but looks like an outlier. Be interested to see if the other polls show that.
The post VP debate polls are generally showing it tighter
i think pussygate is really going to screw him over now. all over the news, everyone is talking about it.
I doubt it, most of his core supporters will not have done much different themselves and the main people who will be offended will be feminist women who are already behind Hillary anyway
You are surely right that it won't change many minds. The US is already highly polarized.
But it's all part of a drip, drip about Donald Trump's suitability to become President. And small things add up. If a few tens of middle class Republican women in Nevada or New Hampshire decide not to go to the polls in a month's time, it could result in quite a few electoral votes ending up in Hillary's column.
Middle class women who would have been offended by this type of thing will have switched to Hillary long ago anyway
Every single one? There won't be a single woman who decides not to go to the polling booth because she thinks Trump is a scumbag?
Those who think Trump is a scumbag will not be voting for him now and were not voting for him yesterday
He can still win if the main concern of voters is sticking two fingers up at the establishment. (Or rather one finger in the United States. Interesting that two fingers doesn't mean anything there).
even if it means voting in a sexist, racist pig like Trump? I dont buy it.
Sexist, racist pigs can win, see Silvio Berlusconi!
The problem will be how he deals with this on sunday night.
Trump being trump, he'll skewer himself.
His campaign have to sit him down and drill him on this from every possible angle of attack. If he's going to apologise, he needs it to be watertight, coherent, concise, authentic - and preemptively cover for any other stuff in the clinton pipeline.
Trump has connected with white working class anger in a way Jeb Bush or Rubio could never have done and he is better on TV than Cruz, the elites have already written him off and his obituary is being written tonight yet the latest Rasmussen and Fox polls have it almost neck and neck. The big story tonight in the longer term is Hillary's call for 'open borders' everybody already knows Trump is a sexist
It's not sexism, it's sexual assault.
Has he been charged with sexual assault? NO. So no it is not actually
Sexual assault is what he's confessing to on the tape.
It doesn't prove it, since he could have been bragging. Wouldn't surprise me if true though.
"After business concluded, Harth and Houraney were on tour of Mar-a-Lago along with a group of young pageant contestants – Trump wanted to “see the quality of the girls he was sponsoring”, Harth recalled – when he pulled her aside into one of the children’s bedrooms."
“He pushed me up against the wall, and had his hands all over me and tried to get up my dress again,” Harth said, “and I had to physically say: ‘What are you doing? Stop it.’"
There's a lot of gold in the recent Wikileaks dump. If this were any other campaign, her dream of a world with "a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders" would really, really hurt her. But for Trump, it'll give him a slight edge in the Midwest and Nevada, and at worst, provide an unintentional dog whistle for those on the left who thought her too centist.
There's a lot of gold in the recent Wikileaks dump. If this were any other campaign, her dream of a world with "a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders" would really, really hurt her. But for Trump, it'll give him a slight edge in the Midwest and Nevada, and at worst, provide an unintentional dog whistle for those on the left who thought her too centist.
CNN: NYT to report shortly that Miss Utah, 1997, says Trump kissed her on the lips, unsolicited. She was stunned.
I wonder how long they've had this information.
Clinton's are a well oiled, well funded, political machine. Team Clinton have never really broken up, they have bounced between White House and Clinton Foundation payrolls. Just going through the gears now.
With Trump standing, it is less of the dusting down the files from the correct filing cabinet, more having to sort through the rooms full of dirt to decide which to use.
It has clearly been carefully coordinated. The Clinton hand grenade at the end of the debate...crow barred in out of nowhere (I actually think she forgot and then went shit shit shit need to get this in)...then the daily drip drip drip of harmless stories all carefully coming out in a nice steady stream.
There's a lot of gold in the recent Wikileaks dump. If this were any other campaign, her dream of a world with "a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders" would really, really hurt her. But for Trump, it'll give him a slight edge in the Midwest and Nevada, and at worst, provide an unintentional dog whistle for those on the left who thought her too centist.
You can tell when these type of scandals are been carefully coordinated. If a normal story breaks, all the editors send out their reports to dig the dirt and scoop the rivals asap, and you get this messy set of stories all appearing at the same time, often outlets talking over one another with similar story or incomplete story with a different angle on it.
When you get story, with each day a little bit being added, then just as it has died, another angle appears, and always just a single source has it...you know their has been planning and coordination.
CNN: NYT to report shortly that Miss Utah, 1997, says Trump kissed her on the lips, unsolicited. She was stunned.
I wonder how long they've had this information.
Clinton's are a well oiled, well funded, political machine. Team Clinton have never really broken up, they have bounced between White House and Clinton Foundation payrolls. Just going through the gears now.
With Trump standing, it is less of the dusting down the files from the correct filing cabinet, more having to sort through the rooms full of dirt to decide which to use.
It has clearly been carefully coordinated. The Clinton hand grenade at the end of the debate...crow barred in out of nowhere (I actually think she forgot and then went shit shit shit need to get this in)...then the daily drip drip drip of harmless stories all carefully coming out in a nice steady stream.
You can tell when these type of scandals are been carefully coordinated. If a normal story breaks, all the editors send out their reports to dig the dirt and scoop the rivals asap, and you get this messy set of stories all appearing at the same time, often outlets talking over one another with similar story or incomplete story with a different angle on it.
When you get story, with each day a little bit being added, then just as it has died, another angle appears, and always just a single source has it...you know their has been planning and coordination.
Wouldn't it have been far better to drop this bomb on November 1st?
I'm back because I've heard some more developments are coming regarding Trump.
There are at least 4 more tapes to come out from the same NBC production team, that contain far far far worse stuff that Trump has said.
Basically the cameras and microphones where on all the time during the Apprentice's entire run when not filming, so you can imagine what Trump was saying behind the scenes and was secretly recorded.
It's the Hot Mic of all Hot Mics.
And there is more even worse to come after the tapes.
Hillary's camp is planning to leak them all one by one almost everyday till election day.
I guess that Trump has about till Monday to resign on his own terms, after that it would be so bad the RNC might be forced to move against him.
I'm back because I've heard some more developments are coming regarding Trump.
There are at least 4 more tapes to come out from the same NBC production team, that contain far far far worse stuff that Trump has said.
Basically the cameras and microphones where on all the time during the Apprentice's entire run when not filming, so you can imagine what Trump was saying behind the scenes and was secretly recorded.
It's the Hot Mic of all Hot Mics.
And there is more even worse to come after the tapes.
Hillary's camp is planning to leak them all one by one almost everyday till election day.
I guess that Trump has about till Monday to resign on his own terms, after that it would be so bad the RNC might be forced to move against him.
I'm back because I've heard some more developments are coming regarding Trump.
There are at least 4 more tapes to come out from the same NBC production team, that contain far far far worse stuff that Trump has said.
Basically the cameras and microphones where on all the time during the Apprentice's entire run when not filming, so you can imagine what Trump was saying behind the scenes and was secretly recorded.
It's the Hot Mic of all Hot Mics.
And there is more even worse to come after the tapes.
Hillary's camp is planning to leak them all one by one almost everyday till election day.
I guess that Trump has about till Monday to resign on his own terms, after that it would be so bad the RNC might be forced to move against him.
Where did you read this?
My sources include, but not limited too, a Mark Halperin.
You can tell when these type of scandals are been carefully coordinated. If a normal story breaks, all the editors send out their reports to dig the dirt and scoop the rivals asap, and you get this messy set of stories all appearing at the same time, often outlets talking over one another with similar story or incomplete story with a different angle on it.
When you get story, with each day a little bit being added, then just as it has died, another angle appears, and always just a single source has it...you know their has been planning and coordination.
Wouldn't it have been far better to drop this bomb on November 1st?
Early voting has just started in some places...all important 2nd debate on Sunday, which he is now screwed for...and I am guessing they have a months worth of stuff to attack him with.
I'm back because I've heard some more developments are coming regarding Trump.
There are at least 4 more tapes to come out from the same NBC production team, that contain far far far worse stuff that Trump has said.
Basically the cameras and microphones where on all the time during the Apprentice's entire run when not filming, so you can imagine what Trump was saying behind the scenes and was secretly recorded.
It's the Hot Mic of all Hot Mics.
And there is more even worse to come after the tapes.
Hillary's camp is planning to leak them all one by one almost everyday till election day.
I guess that Trump has about till Monday to resign on his own terms, after that it would be so bad the RNC might be forced to move against him.
Where did you read this?
My sources include, but not limited too, a Mark Halperin.
Hm, he hasn't made any tweets recently. Care to share your sources?
I'm back because I've heard some more developments are coming regarding Trump.
There are at least 4 more tapes to come out from the same NBC production team, that contain far far far worse stuff that Trump has said.
Basically the cameras and microphones where on all the time during the Apprentice's entire run when not filming, so you can imagine what Trump was saying behind the scenes and was secretly recorded.
It's the Hot Mic of all Hot Mics.
And there is more even worse to come after the tapes.
Hillary's camp is planning to leak them all one by one almost everyday till election day.
I guess that Trump has about till Monday to resign on his own terms, after that it would be so bad the RNC might be forced to move against him.
The allegations of what kind of thing he said on set of the Apprentice have had an airing before.
Even if he were literally dead, Trump (or his survivors) would have a hard time getting him dropped from a number of state ballots. And "Vote Trump, Get Pence!" as a slogan isn't all that convincing.
So, he'll get sworn into office and the next moment, hand the Speaker of the House a resignation letter? Pence, who just got sworn as Veep, then gets immediately sworn in as President. During those precious few seconds, will said Speaker be technically head of state?
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Also Palin was terrible with her VP role.
Pence has done the opposite, he has made people wish he was the Presidential nominee.
Doesn't matter anyway, he's lost. It is over. He lost it weeks ago. No ground game, no GOV, no TV ads in the right states, demographics against him, shit debate etc etc etc.
Clinton never said anything half as bad as Trump said. And Bill isn't running, Trump is.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/20/donald-trump-sexual-assault-allegations-jill-harth-interview
Reince Priebus, chairman of the Republican party, has condemned Donald Trump’s remarks as unequivocally wrong: “No woman should ever be described in these terms or talked about in this manner. Ever.”
It's amazing how my opinion of Trump has evolved since he got the nomination, I thought that it was just an act for the primaries, but gradually I've got convinced that it's not an act.
That he really is a crazy idiot in real life.
A very good question. I suspect at least a dozen books are already being written on that subject.
The setting for Gidleigh is delightful - and still manages to pull off the Edwardian weekend house-guest vibe. I've also stayed at Bovey Castle, but found it much more "corporate", albeit, very well run corporate.
Have a great weekend.
In any case, he can't resign as easily as you say. The RNC can nominate another candidate but where filing deadlines have passed - virtually everywhere now - it will be Trump that people are voting for, and while in theory the electors could vote for the new candidate, not every state allows electors to go rogue - some have legal sanctions on such actions - and other electors may not choose to follow Trump out of the race. Besides, do you really think the electorate would accept a change forced on them at this late stage, when the new candidate wouldn't be tested in debates or on the hustings?
To bring the maneuvre off they need Trump to actually literally die.
Trump has spent his life on TV, mostly peddiling slogans, commercials and a few lines in his shows.
He took Perot's and Buchanan's policies and merged them with some simple slogans and soundbites.
Add to the above the obsession of americans with celebrity and the incompetence, the indifference and the corruption of the republican establishment and he was without serious competition.
Celebrity+Populism+Incompetent and Corrupt Elite=Success
This is the problem with democracy: The people making the decisions are completely unaccountable.
Clinton 1.375
Sanders 150
Biden 200
Kaine 685
Trump 3.975
Pence 375
Ryan 450
"Grab 'em by the p***y" will surely lose Trump votes. If his support from other leading Republicans falls away, will there come a point when he reads the writing on the wall and bails?
In theory some electors from some states would be bound to vote for Trump regardless if he resigned, however I expect in that case to be clear that the GOP controlled Congress would then select the new nominee as the next President since no one would have 270 electors.
It still works pretty well, and in the crazy year of 2016 anything could happen.
And there is already polling evidence that Republican voters would be really happy with such change.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2406151/Robin-Thicke-caught-getting-VERY-close-fan--picture-tweeted-wife-Paula-Patton.html
He has so far identified 30 potential suspects to German authorities
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3826991/Syrian-migrant-helps-capture-ISIS-terrorist-tortured-home-country-spotting-Islamist-GERMANY.html
Ted Cruz.
lol.
The name on the ballot isn't the issue. What is the issue is the role of the electors. And another issue is what Betfair will say. But if Trump gets replaced by Pence and Pence gets elected I don't think they'll have much room for manoeuvre even if they wanted it.
https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/784538160852267008
@MittRomney
"Hitting on married women? Condoning assault? Such vile degradations demean our wives and daughters and corrupt America's face to the world. "
Not sure this is going to help trump in utah now
Step 1. Trump resigns the nomination.
Step 2. RNC selects a new nominee as a fast as possible, probably Pence.
Step 3. Although Trump's name is still on the ballot, everyone will know that it would be a vote for Pence.
Step 4. Some states legally require their electors to vote only for the person on the ballot who won their state, in that case Trump would get some electoral votes so neither Pence or Hillary get to 270 electoral votes.
Step 5. The GOP controlled Congress votes, in the case no one gets to 270, for Pence to be President.
Optional Step 6: President Pence pardons Trump in exchange for his resignation.
Goodnight.
Trump being trump, he'll skewer himself.
His campaign have to sit him down and drill him on this from every possible angle of attack. If he's going to apologise, he needs it to be watertight, coherent, concise, authentic - and preemptively cover for any other stuff in the clinton pipeline.
Fairly simple political strategy.
Have a look at Jill Harth's accusation against Trump from the 1990s:
"After business concluded, Harth and Houraney were on tour of Mar-a-Lago along with a group of young pageant contestants – Trump wanted to “see the quality of the girls he was sponsoring”, Harth recalled – when he pulled her aside into one of the children’s bedrooms."
“He pushed me up against the wall, and had his hands all over me and tried to get up my dress again,” Harth said, “and I had to physically say: ‘What are you doing? Stop it.’"
And this from Kos: "We All Knew About the Trafficking"-The Untold Story of Trump Model Management (Part 1).
Trump aint going to campaign with Ryan tomorrow
https://twitter.com/KatyTurNBC/status/784560611787145216
With Trump standing, it is less of the dusting down the files from the correct filing cabinet, more having to sort through the rooms full of dirt to decide which to use.
It has clearly been carefully coordinated. The Clinton hand grenade at the end of the debate...crow barred in out of nowhere (I actually think she forgot and then went shit shit shit need to get this in)...then the daily drip drip drip of harmless stories all carefully coming out in a nice steady stream.
When you get story, with each day a little bit being added, then just as it has died, another angle appears, and always just a single source has it...you know their has been planning and coordination.
There are at least 4 more tapes to come out from the same NBC production team, that contain far far far worse stuff that Trump has said.
Basically the cameras and microphones where on all the time during the Apprentice's entire run when not filming, so you can imagine what Trump was saying behind the scenes and was secretly recorded.
It's the Hot Mic of all Hot Mics.
And there is more even worse to come after the tapes.
Hillary's camp is planning to leak them all one by one almost everyday till election day.
I guess that Trump has about till Monday to resign on his own terms, after that it would be so bad the RNC might be forced to move against him.
Pretty absurd that the party is powerless.
Wikileaks
RELEASE: The Podesta Emails #HillaryClinton #Podesta #imWithHer https://t.co/pjX9tmfINt https://t.co/kDTVFYHih7
Knowing what is coming, the RNC will be forced to act if Trump doesn't fall on his sword.
On your edit - How can the RNC act. They are powerless to remove him?
So, he'll get sworn into office and the next moment, hand the Speaker of the House a resignation letter? Pence, who just got sworn as Veep, then gets immediately sworn in as President. During those precious few seconds, will said Speaker be technically head of state?