I believe the challenge arose because of your response to my original post about poor equipment and ammo supply by Labour to the troops. You stated most Labour MPs voted against the Iraq intervention. It matters not what the Tories did it matters a lot that your response was factually incorrect and remains so and uncorrected
As a poster up thread pointed out....be careful with Surbiton and actual facts.
Corbyn appears at 18.27, along with Benn, Foot, Healey, Kinnock, Blair, Owen and Jenkins, essentially the same battles are still being fought again today only this time Corbyn is even more committed to a leftwing agenda than Foot
A very very angry (and uncredited - presumably the makers of the film didn't think it was worth captioning her?) Patricia Hewitt turns up as a conference delegate at about 24:20, absolutely ripping into Callaghan's record in government as not left-wing enough. If only she'd known what future Labour members would think of her role as a minister propping up the Blair regime!!
I cannot immediately see who could that be. Has to be from a very safe seat.
If you look at her feed now, the reports are of 84 resignations
The feed has someone claiming their will be 84 resignations by tomorrow evening. Mmmmm.....Given the moderates were saying today they would remain and fight back it seems rather odd.
Remember the line: we have a balance of payments deficit with them , therefore it is in their interest to offer us the single market.
Really ?
It in the interests of their manufacturing industry, our financial services industry, that does not contradict the headline. Goodnight
The elephant in the room is FoM. The East Europeans won't be budging. They don't export much to the UK. What would they get from your arrangement ?
Protection from Putin by NATO of which we and the French are the largest European military forces and where are our presence will become of even more importance in the event of a Trump presidency. Of course it is the Germans' manufacturing industry we are mainly talking about in particular, they effectively run the EU
Corbyn appears at 18.27, along with Benn, Foot, Healey, Kinnock, Blair, Owen and Jenkins, essentially the same battles are still being fought again today only this time Corbyn is even more committed to a leftwing agenda than Foot
A very very angry (and uncredited - presumably the makers of the film didn't think it was worth captioning her?) Patricia Hewitt turns up as a conference delegate at about 24:20, absolutely ripping into Callaghan's record in government as not left-wing enough. If only she'd known what future Labour members would think of her role as a minister propping up the Blair regime!!
Not just her, Hodge made a similar journey from leftwinger to Blairite too
Corbyn appears at 18.27, along with Benn, Foot, Healey, Kinnock, Blair, Owen and Jenkins, essentially the same battles are still being fought again today only this time Corbyn is even more committed to a leftwing agenda than Foot
A very very angry (and uncredited - presumably the makers of the film didn't think it was worth captioning her?) Patricia Hewitt turns up as a conference delegate at about 24:20, absolutely ripping into Callaghan's record in government as not left-wing enough. If only she'd known what future Labour members would think of her role as a minister propping up the Blair regime!!
Not just her, Hodge made a similar journey from leftwinger to Blairite too
AndyJS put up a great video about the "Bananas Republic" aka "People's Republic of Islington" during the 80s, which shows Hodge et al in action. Funny how some of the things flagged up as outrageous at the time, like LGBT aspects of sex ed, would now be seen as utterly normal ... while on the other hand, the bust of Marx placed the proceedings in the far-distant past.
I cannot immediately see who could that be. Has to be from a very safe seat.
If you look at her feed now, the reports are of 84 resignations
The feed has someone claiming their will be 84 resignations by tomorrow evening. Mmmmm.....Given the moderates were saying today they would remain and fight back it seems rather odd.
Def off now
Looking at the tweets there is no indication it is actually members of the PLP, the Corbynista is just editorialising there. Besides we know the PLP don't have a gonad between them. Probably just some councillors etc.
Have to say I'm sceptical about a large bloc of the PLP forming a whole new party, as of tomorrow. Will believe it when I see it, they don't seem to have the gumption or the guts. Moreover, the kind of people who might be reasonable figureheads for such a movement seem very heavily invested in the Saving Labour/Labour First project.
Some councillors cutting up their membership cards? Sure. Some Lords going cross-bench or finding alternative activities outside parliament? Sure. The odd MP to defect to the Lib Dems? Reasonable. I wouldn't even be knocked out by a defection to Plaid or the Tories, would be thoroughly amused if one joins the Greens.
But if there are going to be en masse resignations of MPs, it seems to me most likely that they'd be leaving the PLP whip but possibly not resigning from the party as individuals. That would give them some scope and flexibility for what to do next. Quitting after only a year of Corbyn seems rather premature, moreover I'd be astonished if they'd already completed the groundwork for getting a new party up and running. The SDP took significant planning but was basically ready to go at a moment's notice once the work was done. It wasn't a secret that it had been in the works. I suppose this time it could have been plotted via email etc so no need for everyone to meet round somebody's flat... but with any significant numbers, it would have been a pain to keep everyone shtum, surely?
And in reply to whether they would be councillors or MPs, they answered "MPs".
That only comes from this tweeter, not the orginal local Beeb presenter. Judging by their other tweets they probably aren't in the know. Just usual twitter chinese whispers.
Peers far more likely than MPs as Peers have a job for life.
IF it really is 84 members of PLP (which I doubt) then I would imagine it'll be something like:
- 20 MPs - 64 Peers
Amazing how many press reports, before an event, contain the four letters "up to". Wonder why that's not as common as giving the low side of the confidence interval?
And in reply to whether they would be councillors or MPs, they answered "MPs".
That only comes from this tweeter, not the orginal local Beeb presenter. Judging by their other tweets they probably aren't in the know. Just usual twitter chinese whispers.
Except the BBC report said he had seen the letter?
And in reply to whether they would be councillors or MPs, they answered "MPs".
That only comes from this tweeter, not the orginal local Beeb presenter. Judging by their other tweets they probably aren't in the know. Just usual twitter chinese whispers.
Except the BBC report said he had seen the letter?
Yes, the fact that a senior BBC reporter says he's seen a letter makes it all seem a lot more likely than otherwise.
JEREMY Corbyn has confirmed the Labour Party is to be dismantled, greased and put into storage.
Following his re-election, the Labour leader told members that continuing to run a party without any chance of achieving government was wasteful, expensive and bad for the environment, so it would be put away until a more optimistic electoral outcome could be achieved. ...
Unfair but quite funny, and I'm sure it captures the mood of 38% of Labour members and supporters.
He added: “Do not mourn for us for we are not dead. We are merely sleeping until you have need of us again.
“Good luck with all that stuff, by the way. I hope it goes well.”
Looks like there may be backtracking on the NEC seats for Scotland and Wales. If that happens the hard left will have taken Labour over completely. That will be my cue to go. There'll be no coming back. Once the NEC is gone, that's it.
Looks like there may be backtracking on the NEC seats for Scotland and Wales. If that happens the hard left will have taken Labour over completely. That will be my cue to go. There'll be no coming back. Once the NEC is gone, that's it.
If I was Corbyn, I might agree to one Scottish and one Welsh representative, but elected by members not chosen by the party leaders. That might neutralise the effect while still throwing a bone of compromise (imagine Scottish representative would be anti, Welsh might well be pro).
Looks like there may be backtracking on the NEC seats for Scotland and Wales. If that happens the hard left will have taken Labour over completely. That will be my cue to go. There'll be no coming back. Once the NEC is gone, that's it.
Looks like there may be backtracking on the NEC seats for Scotland and Wales. If that happens the hard left will have taken Labour over completely. That will be my cue to go. There'll be no coming back. Once the NEC is gone, that's it.
I just knew Corbyn was going to dissolve the Council permanently.
Looks like there may be backtracking on the NEC seats for Scotland and Wales. If that happens the hard left will have taken Labour over completely. That will be my cue to go. There'll be no coming back. Once the NEC is gone, that's it.
The head of the UK's biggest trade union has said Kezia Dugdale should not have the power to appoint Scotland's representative on Labour's ruling committee. Unite general secretary Len McCluskey told BBC Scotland all representatives should be elected and not appointed
I still think it is a hoax. 176 forming a separate party made sense. Even 117, more than 50% of the PLP, therefore the official opposition in the Commons.
84 ? A good number, that's about it. Good for the Tories.
I think it was 15 against the amendment. But that's just a diversion from the fact that your original statement was wrong.
The original statement was hinting that it was Labour who was gung-ho about Iraq. I pointed out that it was the s.o.b Bliar and his lackeys and not Labour as a whole.
In fact, as you have confirmed Tory MPs were more pro Iraq war than Labour MPs. I think the Tory numbers were higher than 15 though.
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As a poster up thread pointed out....be careful with Surbiton and actual facts.
Good night.
Def off now
Remember the PLP consists of MPs and Peers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Democratic_Party_(UK)
Kim Wilde was number two in the charts with Kids In America:
http://www.officialcharts.com/charts/singles-chart/19810322/7501/
And in reply to whether they would be councillors or MPs, they answered "MPs".
https://twitter.com/BBCPeterH/status/780068180156964864
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/correspondents/peterhenley
https://twitter.com/BBCPeterH/status/780079844310810624
https://twitter.com/groovy_julia/status/780173552284753920
Some councillors cutting up their membership cards? Sure. Some Lords going cross-bench or finding alternative activities outside parliament? Sure. The odd MP to defect to the Lib Dems? Reasonable. I wouldn't even be knocked out by a defection to Plaid or the Tories, would be thoroughly amused if one joins the Greens.
But if there are going to be en masse resignations of MPs, it seems to me most likely that they'd be leaving the PLP whip but possibly not resigning from the party as individuals. That would give them some scope and flexibility for what to do next. Quitting after only a year of Corbyn seems rather premature, moreover I'd be astonished if they'd already completed the groundwork for getting a new party up and running. The SDP took significant planning but was basically ready to go at a moment's notice once the work was done. It wasn't a secret that it had been in the works. I suppose this time it could have been plotted via email etc so no need for everyone to meet round somebody's flat... but with any significant numbers, it would have been a pain to keep everyone shtum, surely?
IF it really is 84 members of PLP (which I doubt) then I would imagine it'll be something like:
- 20 MPs
- 64 Peers
Sugar
Adonis
Grabiner
Warner
And then Lord Mitchell resigned from Lab yesterday.
Another batch of Peers is entirely possible.
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http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/corbyn-announces-decommissioning-of-labour-party-20160924114312
JEREMY Corbyn has confirmed the Labour Party is to be dismantled, greased and put into storage.
Following his re-election, the Labour leader told members that continuing to run a party without any chance of achieving government was wasteful, expensive and bad for the environment, so it would be put away until a more optimistic electoral outcome could be achieved. ...
Unfair but quite funny, and I'm sure it captures the mood of 38% of Labour members and supporters.
He added: “Do not mourn for us for we are not dead. We are merely sleeping until you have need of us again.
“Good luck with all that stuff, by the way. I hope it goes well.”
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/150919416661/why-i-switched-my-endorsement-from-clinton-to
2017 is looking ever more interesting.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37468209
Bonkers....
https://twitter.com/SocialistVoice/status/780210665101426688
Then we heard of the death of Arnold Palmer. Sad news indeed.
Also provides valuable assistance when driving one's tank divisions thro belgium.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/hitlers-all-conquering-stormtroopers-felt-invincible-because-of-crystal-meth-style-drug-pervitin-10499087.html
One for the bucketlist!
Moore could have won it with an 8 foot putt on the 18th in regulation - lipped out.
Then Rory had an even shorter putt for eagle to win on the 1st extra hole - lipped out.
Rory looked in control throughout play-off but then he nearly lost it at 3rd extra hole.
Amazing that it went to your hole - did you wait out there throughout in case it did?
Unite general secretary Len McCluskey told BBC Scotland all representatives should be elected and not appointed
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-37468147
84 ? A good number, that's about it. Good for the Tories.
In fact, as you have confirmed Tory MPs were more pro Iraq war than Labour MPs. I think the Tory numbers were higher than 15 though.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3806974/Presidential-debate-preparations-reach-final-stage-Hillary-Clinton-Donald-Trump-meet-Benjamin-Netanyahu.html