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PlatoSaid said:
Quentin Letts
Utter silence in Chamber as Vaz asks a question (about some terrorism issue). A silence cold as an icicle.
Did he popper da question?0 -
Although too pure and virtuous to have suffered this myself, the bottle/libido conversation does remind me of Shakespeare's porter in MacBeth.
Wine, apparently: provoketh the desire, but unprovoketh the performance.0 -
Post of the day?Cyclefree said:
Dear me! It's not either/or. It's one before the other and often after as well and, if you so desire, during.HurstLlama said:
Crikey, is that not just a factor of age. As a young man I would have prioritised shagging over drinking (except, possibly, on rugger match days). Now, I think I'd sooner have a glass of whisky - far less stressful.Patrick said:
You must have put booze as your preferred vice not womanising!TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm more Palmerston than I am ChurchillFF43 said:
Me too, but then it says I "You love shagging and you love conflict. You're capable of speaking for hours on end, mainly about what a great place England is. Your answer to most questions is to get the Royal Navy to shoot it" I'm not convinced.Pulpstar said:Palmerston for me.
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Pretty shoddy reporting from BBC.MarqueeMark said:Some of us on here did predict that there would be no post-Brexit house-price slump. Rather, that the fall in the pound would see foreign buyers piling in at bargain prices. And lo, it came to pass:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-uk-leaves-the-eu-37260267
One Chinese lady in Colindale does not a "spending spree" make.0 -
I thought that he had stood down from the Chairmanship, if not the committee itself.Tissue_Price said:
Well he remains Chair of the Home Affairs Select Committee so it is right and proper that he always gets to ask a question of the Home Secretary.DavidL said:
Did the Speaker really have to call him today? Its amazing how many of the photos of Vaz used by the media have the Speaker in them.Tissue_Price said:
It was good of him to pop in.PlatoSaid said:Quentin Letts
Utter silence in Chamber as Vaz asks a question (about some terrorism issue). A silence cold as an icicle.0 -
You omit the election campaign of 2015 that he ran so brilliantly and ran the LD party almost into oblivion - at least into a People Mover.MaxPB said:Just caught up with Paddy Ashdown's brownshirt remarks. Do the Lib Dems not have the capability of putting the old fool out to pasture. He made a tit of himself in May last year and again after the referendum. If he wants to call leave voters brownshirts then I think calling remain voters quisling traitors is fair game. I think it is clear that Paddy, at least, is a traitor and would sell this country down the river to get himself on the EU gravy train like Kinnock. It's a shame that treason is no longer a real crime in this country, Blair obviously knew what he was doing.
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Actually no!JackW said:
I take it your moniker details the measures of mothers ruin you consume monthly ...GIN1138 said:Either the thing is fixed or we're all drunks on PB!
I'm still reeling from the shock revelation that you might have gone for LEAVE if you hadn't been medically incapacitated... Here was me thinking your was as REMAIN as it comes!
I've half been expecting you to hit the streets on behalf of the EU with Bob Geldof and Eddie Izzard's beret and stiletto's... And all the time you might have been an "in closet" LEAVER!
That is enough to drive a man to the Mothers Ruin!
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@SouthamObserver
In the comments in the last thread you mentioned that May's government is "turning out to be awful" [or something similar - don't remember ].
I'm curious as to how you came to that conclusion: it appears to be subjective rather than objective. As far as I can see she has helped calm things down by giving people the impression she is competent but hasn't actually *done* very much.
I can see how you reach the judgement on right wing (presumably based on cabinet seats, although I don't think this government will actually be very right wing - more of a equal opportunity approach). But I can't understand how the judgement on good/bad can be more than "unproven".0 -
TBF she doesn't have much choice. Brexit will suck in a huge but undefined amount of money And time. She can't reasonably commit to anything else until she has some idea what's going to happen, and all her options there are horrible.DavidL said:
Also accepting that it is going to take many more years to bring in Universal Credit.MaxPB said:
Well to borrow from a certain Ed, it's pretty hard to judge a blank piece of paper. So far these are the policies I can think of from Mrs May.Richard_Nabavi said:I think Joff is broadly right in his assessment, but the question is: how long will it take for Labour to rid itself of the parasite which is eating away at it from the inside? It could be a very long time.
One minor quibble: Is it really the case that "Theresa May’s government is undoubtedly far more right wing than any we have seen since the time of Margaret Thatcher"? I don't see any basis for that; if anything, she has been making policy statements which place her well to the left of Cameron on economic issues, corporate governance, income disparities, and equality legislation. It's a bit early to tell what the final mix will look like in practice, but at the moment it doesn't seem particularly right-wing at all.
1. Cancel Hinkley Point C
2. "Brexit means Brexit"
3. Maybe possibly somehow bring back grammar schools.
I think that sums it up. I hope her conference speech has more policy detail, it's a bit too sparse at the moment.
And a clear reluctance to take a decision on Heathrow.
And equivocation about HS2.
And an announcement that Osborne's deficit reduction plan is being abandoned without any stated alternative.
And more QE.
Not particularly right wing, not particularly decisive.
A change of leader is and should be a time for a rethink and to test some verities that have perhaps stood unchallenged for too long or to ditch policies which were attracting too much flak for any prospective benefit. That is entirely fair enough. But over the next few weeks we really need to get a clearer idea of what a May government is going to look like, what its priorities are and how it thinks it is going to change this country for the better. So far we barely have an inkling.0 -
Careful. You'll have Robert and Sean arguing over which champagne to use on nipples again, at this rate.Cyclefree said:
Dear me! It's not either/or. It's one before the other and often after as well and, if you so desire, during.HurstLlama said:
Crikey, is that not just a factor of age. As a young man I would have prioritised shagging over drinking (except, possibly, on rugger match days). Now, I think I'd sooner have a glass of whisky - far less stressful.Patrick said:
You must have put booze as your preferred vice not womanising!TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm more Palmerston than I am ChurchillFF43 said:
Me too, but then it says I "You love shagging and you love conflict. You're capable of speaking for hours on end, mainly about what a great place England is. Your answer to most questions is to get the Royal Navy to shoot it" I'm not convinced.Pulpstar said:Palmerston for me.
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I think it was because I preferred the Qing Dynasty as an enemy to Gordon Brown. With the first any fiasco might result in exquisite torture and horrible death for somebody else. It would be over with soon. But Gordon Brown! You would have relentless years of dreariness ahead of you.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm more Palmerston than I am ChurchillFF43 said:
Me too, but then it says I "You love shagging and you love conflict. You're capable of speaking for hours on end, mainly about what a great place England is. Your answer to most questions is to get the Royal Navy to shoot it" I'm not convinced.Pulpstar said:Palmerston for me.
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Calling May's government a failure is just as silly as declaring Brexit a success. We're far too early in to pass judgment on either.Charles said:@SouthamObserver
In the comments in the last thread you mentioned that May's government is "turning out to be awful" [or something similar - don't remember ].
I'm curious as to how you came to that conclusion: it appears to be subjective rather than objective. As far as I can see she has helped calm things down by giving people the impression she is competent but hasn't actually *done* very much.
I can see how you reach the judgement on right wing (presumably based on cabinet seats, although I don't think this government will actually be very right wing - more of a equal opportunity approach). But I can't understand how the judgement on good/bad can be more than "unproven".0 -
Brexit suck in money? Not sure I am seeing the evidence for that yet. Early days but the economy seems to be tootling along in the same way as it was pre-brexit, not exactly flying but doing better than most.edmundintokyo said:
TBF she doesn't have much choice. Brexit will suck in a huge but undefined amount of money And time. She can't reasonably commit to anything else until she has some idea what's going to happen, and all her options there are horrible.DavidL said:
Also accepting that it is going to take many more years to bring in Universal Credit.MaxPB said:
.Richard_Nabavi said:.
And a clear reluctance to take a decision on Heathrow.
And equivocation about HS2.
And an announcement that Osborne's deficit reduction plan is being abandoned without any stated alternative.
And more QE.
Not particularly right wing, not particularly decisive.
A change of leader is and should be a time for a rethink and to test some verities that have perhaps stood unchallenged for too long or to ditch policies which were attracting too much flak for any prospective benefit. That is entirely fair enough. But over the next few weeks we really need to get a clearer idea of what a May government is going to look like, what its priorities are and how it thinks it is going to change this country for the better. So far we barely have an inkling.
Brexit will undoubtedly take up a lot of the government's time. It is a significant change of direction.0 -
Yes. Womanising and Qing enemy = Palmerston. I chose Qing enemy 'coz they were the 19th century equivalent of Brussels. Convinced of their own inevitable superiority but actually blind to their own weakness and doomed to fail. You can choose not to compete but you can't choose to not be competed against. With an enemy like that you're bound to win!FF43 said:
I think it was because I preferred the Qing Dynasty as an enemy to Gordon Brown. With the first any fiasco might result in exquisite torture and horrible death for somebody else. It would be over with soon. But Gordon Brown! You would have relentless years of dreariness ahead of you.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm more Palmerston than I am ChurchillFF43 said:
Me too, but then it says I "You love shagging and you love conflict. You're capable of speaking for hours on end, mainly about what a great place England is. Your answer to most questions is to get the Royal Navy to shoot it" I'm not convinced.Pulpstar said:Palmerston for me.
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I'm sorry to have missed that discussion!Animal_pb said:
Careful. You'll have Robert and Sean arguing over which champagne to use on nipples again, at this rate.Cyclefree said:
Dear me! It's not either/or. It's one before the other and often after as well and, if you so desire, during.HurstLlama said:
Crikey, is that not just a factor of age. As a young man I would have prioritised shagging over drinking (except, possibly, on rugger match days). Now, I think I'd sooner have a glass of whisky - far less stressful.Patrick said:
You must have put booze as your preferred vice not womanising!TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm more Palmerston than I am ChurchillFF43 said:
Me too, but then it says I "You love shagging and you love conflict. You're capable of speaking for hours on end, mainly about what a great place England is. Your answer to most questions is to get the Royal Navy to shoot it" I'm not convinced.Pulpstar said:Palmerston for me.
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@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING BMA calls off next week's junior doctors' strike https://t.co/KJMRfaCqsv0
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The "news" as that they reported it at all. Doesn't fit with the narrative....Gardenwalker said:
Pretty shoddy reporting from BBC.MarqueeMark said:Some of us on here did predict that there would be no post-Brexit house-price slump. Rather, that the fall in the pound would see foreign buyers piling in at bargain prices. And lo, it came to pass:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-uk-leaves-the-eu-37260267
One Chinese lady in Colindale does not a "spending spree" make.0 -
Who was that wise fellow who tipped Jeremy Hunt to be Health Secretary on 1st of January 2017?Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING BMA calls off next week's junior doctors' strike https://t.co/KJMRfaCqsv
Yes, I know, I'm bragging about a 1/6 tip0 -
Latest statement from JDC chair Ellen McCourtScott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING BMA calls off next week's junior doctors' strike https://t.co/KJMRfaCqsv
"Over the past few days we have been described as radical, we have been described as militant, we have been described as prioritising ourselves over our patient’s safety.
This is not true."
When they've become the story and not the patients, they have lost the war....0 -
Sorry Jemima, you'll have to cancel the riding lesson.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING BMA calls off next week's junior doctors' strike https://t.co/KJMRfaCqsv
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Mr. Eagles, that's nothing. I got a 2.1 tip right at the weekend. That's right. More than evens.0
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Well speaking from West London (just along from Hammersmith), the market here has utterly dried up. Nothing shifting, no-one looking. Estate agents filled with houses and polyester suits, but no buyers. My neighbour went from a couple of viewings a day on her house to one a fortnight, if that.MarqueeMark said:
The "news" as that they reported it at all. Doesn't fit with the narrative....Gardenwalker said:
Pretty shoddy reporting from BBC.MarqueeMark said:Some of us on here did predict that there would be no post-Brexit house-price slump. Rather, that the fall in the pound would see foreign buyers piling in at bargain prices. And lo, it came to pass:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-uk-leaves-the-eu-37260267
One Chinese lady in Colindale does not a "spending spree" make.0 -
The negotiations for this contract started in October 2013. Some of the junior doctors represented at that time will be consultants by now. But this step back should be acknowledged by the government and an attempt made to bring this to an end.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING BMA calls off next week's junior doctors' strike https://t.co/KJMRfaCqsv
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Losing the support from their senior doctor colleagues and some of those unions has made them bottle it. Falling public support hasn't helped either.
The government needs to keep the pressure on them, they are starting to fragment.0 -
"The story" is probably that a BBC reporter was trying to buy a house in Colindale. And lost out to a Chinese lady....Anorak said:
Well speaking from West London (just along from Hammersmith), the market here has utterly dried up. Nothing shifting, no-one looking. Estate agents filled with houses and polyester suits, but no buyers. My neighbour went from a couple of viewings a day on her house to one a fortnight, if that.MarqueeMark said:
The "news" as that they reported it at all. Doesn't fit with the narrative....Gardenwalker said:
Pretty shoddy reporting from BBC.MarqueeMark said:Some of us on here did predict that there would be no post-Brexit house-price slump. Rather, that the fall in the pound would see foreign buyers piling in at bargain prices. And lo, it came to pass:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-uk-leaves-the-eu-37260267
One Chinese lady in Colindale does not a "spending spree" make.0 -
This is rather clever. 3D model of the UK at amazing detail.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-36654245
The Ordnance Survey is a truly wonderful institution.0 -
Not good for me then, but I've been talking to agencies who seem to be quite bullish. Foxtons gave me a huge valuation.Anorak said:
Well speaking from West London (just along from Hammersmith), the market here has utterly dried up. Nothing shifting, no-one looking. Estate agents filled with houses and polyester suits, but no buyers. My neighbour went from a couple of viewings a day on her house to one a fortnight, if that.MarqueeMark said:
The "news" as that they reported it at all. Doesn't fit with the narrative....Gardenwalker said:
Pretty shoddy reporting from BBC.MarqueeMark said:Some of us on here did predict that there would be no post-Brexit house-price slump. Rather, that the fall in the pound would see foreign buyers piling in at bargain prices. And lo, it came to pass:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-uk-leaves-the-eu-37260267
One Chinese lady in Colindale does not a "spending spree" make.0 -
Next stage will be a group of 'moderate' junior doctors in Nottinghamshire forming the Union of Democratic Medicworkers and crossing the picket lines.jonny83 said:Losing the support from their senior doctor colleagues and some of those unions has made them bottle it. Falling public support hasn't helped either.
The government needs to keep the pressure on them, they are starting to fragment.0 -
Bloody Chinese, with their money and their nuclear reactors, coming over here taking our houses and our radiation. Can hardly get proper British radiation now, you know, just that foreign muck. Almost impossible to get a good tumour going with that, I tell you.MarqueeMark said:
"The story" is probably that a BBC reporter was trying to buy a house in Colindale. And lost out to a Chinese lady....Anorak said:
Well speaking from West London (just along from Hammersmith), the market here has utterly dried up. Nothing shifting, no-one looking. Estate agents filled with houses and polyester suits, but no buyers. My neighbour went from a couple of viewings a day on her house to one a fortnight, if that.MarqueeMark said:
The "news" as that they reported it at all. Doesn't fit with the narrative....Gardenwalker said:
Pretty shoddy reporting from BBC.MarqueeMark said:Some of us on here did predict that there would be no post-Brexit house-price slump. Rather, that the fall in the pound would see foreign buyers piling in at bargain prices. And lo, it came to pass:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-uk-leaves-the-eu-37260267
One Chinese lady in Colindale does not a "spending spree" make.0 -
French radiation, I'll have you know!Anorak said:
Bloody Chinese, with their money and their nuclear reactors, coming over here taking our houses and our radiation. Can hardly get proper British radiation now, you know, just that foreign muck. Almost impossible to get a good tumour going with that, I tell you.MarqueeMark said:
"The story" is probably that a BBC reporter was trying to buy a house in Colindale. And lost out to a Chinese lady....Anorak said:
Well speaking from West London (just along from Hammersmith), the market here has utterly dried up. Nothing shifting, no-one looking. Estate agents filled with houses and polyester suits, but no buyers. My neighbour went from a couple of viewings a day on her house to one a fortnight, if that.MarqueeMark said:
The "news" as that they reported it at all. Doesn't fit with the narrative....Gardenwalker said:
Pretty shoddy reporting from BBC.MarqueeMark said:Some of us on here did predict that there would be no post-Brexit house-price slump. Rather, that the fall in the pound would see foreign buyers piling in at bargain prices. And lo, it came to pass:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-uk-leaves-the-eu-37260267
One Chinese lady in Colindale does not a "spending spree" make.0 -
The ides of September are not yet gone.TheScreamingEagles said:
Who was that wise fellow who tipped Jeremy Hunt to be Health Secretary on 1st of January 2017?Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING BMA calls off next week's junior doctors' strike https://t.co/KJMRfaCqsv
Yes, I know, I'm bragging about a 1/6 tip0 -
Foxtons stand out even amongst estate agents as a beacon of dodgy practices (or so I've heard alleged, your honour). I would treat them with a great deal of caution.MaxPB said:
Not good for me then, but I've been talking to agencies who seem to be quite bullish. Foxtons gave me a huge valuation.Anorak said:
Well speaking from West London (just along from Hammersmith), the market here has utterly dried up. Nothing shifting, no-one looking. Estate agents filled with houses and polyester suits, but no buyers. My neighbour went from a couple of viewings a day on her house to one a fortnight, if that.MarqueeMark said:
The "news" as that they reported it at all. Doesn't fit with the narrative....Gardenwalker said:
Pretty shoddy reporting from BBC.MarqueeMark said:Some of us on here did predict that there would be no post-Brexit house-price slump. Rather, that the fall in the pound would see foreign buyers piling in at bargain prices. And lo, it came to pass:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-uk-leaves-the-eu-37260267
One Chinese lady in Colindale does not a "spending spree" make.0 -
Junior doctors - was it 40% plus who voted to accept the current deal? I couldn't see many of them striking through a whole week. I'm sure feedback from a large minority of junior doctors has prompted this change of direction.0
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The Chinese will be pillaging us for secrets. It's the French that will be irradiating us, assuming they can make their infernal contraption actually work.Anorak said:
Bloody Chinese, with their money and their nuclear reactors, coming over here taking our houses and our radiation. Can hardly get proper British radiation now, you know, just that foreign muck. Almost impossible to get a good tumour going with that, I tell you.MarqueeMark said:
"The story" is probably that a BBC reporter was trying to buy a house in Colindale. And lost out to a Chinese lady....Anorak said:
Well speaking from West London (just along from Hammersmith), the market here has utterly dried up. Nothing shifting, no-one looking. Estate agents filled with houses and polyester suits, but no buyers. My neighbour went from a couple of viewings a day on her house to one a fortnight, if that.MarqueeMark said:
The "news" as that they reported it at all. Doesn't fit with the narrative....Gardenwalker said:
Pretty shoddy reporting from BBC.MarqueeMark said:Some of us on here did predict that there would be no post-Brexit house-price slump. Rather, that the fall in the pound would see foreign buyers piling in at bargain prices. And lo, it came to pass:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-uk-leaves-the-eu-37260267
One Chinese lady in Colindale does not a "spending spree" make.0 -
I think my old classmate Chris Wesson is in charge of those sorts of projects at OS.Anorak said:This is rather clever. 3D model of the UK at amazing detail.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-36654245
The Ordnance Survey is a truly wonderful institution.0 -
It should come in though - but it is probably 90-95, not 99% certain so I kept my stake to £50 rather than lumping on.AlastairMeeks said:
The ides of September are not yet gone.TheScreamingEagles said:
Who was that wise fellow who tipped Jeremy Hunt to be Health Secretary on 1st of January 2017?Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING BMA calls off next week's junior doctors' strike https://t.co/KJMRfaCqsv
Yes, I know, I'm bragging about a 1/6 tip0 -
What ever possessed them to think that a five day strike wouldn't lose them public support? Or indeed, their senior colleagues. Lions led by donkeys may well come to mind.SandyRentool said:
Next stage will be a group of 'moderate' junior doctors in Nottinghamshire forming the Union of Democratic Medicworkers and crossing the picket lines.jonny83 said:Losing the support from their senior doctor colleagues and some of those unions has made them bottle it. Falling public support hasn't helped either.
The government needs to keep the pressure on them, they are starting to fragment.0 -
She forget to mention "marxist"MarqueeMark said:
Latest statement from JDC chair Ellen McCourtScott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING BMA calls off next week's junior doctors' strike https://t.co/KJMRfaCqsv
"Over the past few days we have been described as radical, we have been described as militant, we have been described as prioritising ourselves over our patient’s safety.
This is not true."
When they've become the story and not the patients, they have lost the war....
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So, to get this right, we're having a nuclear reactor built by a country whose idea of engineering excellence is the 2CV, and financed by a country renowned for espionage. What could possibly go wrong.John_M said:
The Chinese will be pillaging us for secrets. It's the French that will be irradiating us, assuming they can make their infernal contraption actually work.Anorak said:
Bloody Chinese, with their money and their nuclear reactors, coming over here taking our houses and our radiation. Can hardly get proper British radiation now, you know, just that foreign muck. Almost impossible to get a good tumour going with that, I tell you.MarqueeMark said:
"The story" is probably that a BBC reporter was trying to buy a house in Colindale. And lost out to a Chinese lady....Anorak said:
Well speaking from West London (just along from Hammersmith), the market here has utterly dried up. Nothing shifting, no-one looking. Estate agents filled with houses and polyester suits, but no buyers. My neighbour went from a couple of viewings a day on her house to one a fortnight, if that.MarqueeMark said:
The "news" as that they reported it at all. Doesn't fit with the narrative....Gardenwalker said:
Pretty shoddy reporting from BBC.MarqueeMark said:Some of us on here did predict that there would be no post-Brexit house-price slump. Rather, that the fall in the pound would see foreign buyers piling in at bargain prices. And lo, it came to pass:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-uk-leaves-the-eu-37260267
One Chinese lady in Colindale does not a "spending spree" make.0 -
I think many doctors are not nearly as militant as the BMA. Therein lies a problem for doctors and the view the public has of them.rottenborough said:
What ever possessed them to think that a five day strike wouldn't lose them public support? Or indeed, their senior colleagues. Lions led by donkeys may well come to mind.SandyRentool said:
Next stage will be a group of 'moderate' junior doctors in Nottinghamshire forming the Union of Democratic Medicworkers and crossing the picket lines.jonny83 said:Losing the support from their senior doctor colleagues and some of those unions has made them bottle it. Falling public support hasn't helped either.
The government needs to keep the pressure on them, they are starting to fragment.0 -
I decided "no bet" on this one. The divisions on the doctors' side make his departure more not less likely.Pulpstar said:
It should come in though - but it is probably 90-95, not 99% certain so I kept my stake to £50 rather than lumping on.AlastairMeeks said:
The ides of September are not yet gone.TheScreamingEagles said:
Who was that wise fellow who tipped Jeremy Hunt to be Health Secretary on 1st of January 2017?Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING BMA calls off next week's junior doctors' strike https://t.co/KJMRfaCqsv
Yes, I know, I'm bragging about a 1/6 tip0 -
It was the each part of a 4.33 at 1/2 odds right ?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, that's nothing. I got a 2.1 tip right at the weekend. That's right. More than evens.
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Best of luck making a bundle of cash out of the bonkers London housing marketMaxPB said:
Not good for me then, but I've been talking to agencies who seem to be quite bullish. Foxtons gave me a huge valuation.Anorak said:
Well speaking from West London (just along from Hammersmith), the market here has utterly dried up. Nothing shifting, no-one looking. Estate agents filled with houses and polyester suits, but no buyers. My neighbour went from a couple of viewings a day on her house to one a fortnight, if that.MarqueeMark said:
The "news" as that they reported it at all. Doesn't fit with the narrative....Gardenwalker said:
Pretty shoddy reporting from BBC.MarqueeMark said:Some of us on here did predict that there would be no post-Brexit house-price slump. Rather, that the fall in the pound would see foreign buyers piling in at bargain prices. And lo, it came to pass:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-uk-leaves-the-eu-37260267
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Mr. Pulpstar, 1/3 odds. Actually, the No Safety Car tip. Although the one you mentioned was very similar [albeit with an even smaller profit margin because it was each way so the other part failed).0
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The property market has not cooled down in EC2. My downstairs neighbours have just agreed a price on their flat which was about £500,000 more than I had been expecting.0
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F1: no tips, but the winner market for Singapore is interesting.
Last year, Mercedes' performance fell off a cliff. Probably because of that, Hamilton is 2.5 and Rosberg 3.75 to win. Ricciardo's only 4.5 (Oddly, Verstappen is 9).
Red Bull will be best of the rest, likely still behind Mercedes. Ferrari should be third. McLaren may have a good race.
Anyway, I'll contemplate it properly when the markets are all up.0 -
Probably been posted already:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/04/g20-summit-theresa-may-ready-to-block-boris-johnsons-point-based/
Jean-Claude Juncker, the head of the European Commission, has told Theresa May that she should not be holding free trade discussions with other nations while Britain is still a member of the EU.
Mrs May held informal discussions about future free trade deals after Brexit with the US, Australia and India at the G20 summit.
Mr Juncker said: "I don't like the idea that member states of the EU, including those who are still a member state of the European Union, are negotiating free trade agreements," he said on Sunday.
Such discussions were an "exclusive matter" for the European Union on behalf of its members and "we are sticking to it", he told reporters.
What's he going to do, throw us out?
Also good PMI news, although still early days.0 -
London is going to be a city of the very rich and very poor before long. Those in the middle will be completely priced out of the housing market.AlastairMeeks said:The property market has not cooled down in EC2. My downstairs neighbours have just agreed a price on their flat which was about £500,000 more than I had been expecting.
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Drinks on Meeks at the next meet up?AlastairMeeks said:The property market has not cooled down in EC2. My downstairs neighbours have just agreed a price on their flat which was about £500,000 more than I had been expecting.
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Someone, somewhere will buy at the top of the market.AlastairMeeks said:The property market has not cooled down in EC2. My downstairs neighbours have just agreed a price on their flat which was about £500,000 more than I had been expecting.
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Good to see common sense prevailing.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING BMA calls off next week's junior doctors' strike https://t.co/KJMRfaCqsv
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Slightly unfair on the French who have given us the TGV and worked with us well to build the, Chunnel, the Airbus and the Millau Viaduct.Anorak said:So, to get this right, we're having a nuclear reactor built by a country whose idea of engineering excellence is the 2CV, and financed by a country renowned for espionage. What could possibly go wrong.
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The money will go on patronage, buying off people who have a say in the eventual deal or stand to lose out. Partial list:DavidL said:
Brexit suck in money? Not sure I am seeing the evidence for that yet. Early days but the economy seems to be tootling along in the same way as it was pre-brexit, not exactly flying but doing better than most.edmundintokyo said:
TBF she doesn't have much choice. Brexit will suck in a huge but undefined amount of money And time. She can't reasonably commit to anything else until she has some idea what's going to happen, and all her options there are horrible.
Brexit will undoubtedly take up a lot of the government's time. It is a significant change of direction.
- 28 EU countries to get them to sign up to a deal
- Scotland and Northern Ireland because they voted against and have politicians that can cause problems for the Union.
- The White Working Class because they are fed up.
- Pensioners and Old People because they always get the bungs
- State aid and tax breaks for companies who threaten to up sticks to the Single Market that Britain isn't a part of any more
- Farmers who are about to find out what the WTO renegotiations mean for them, and who have direct links to Tory MPs in rural constituencies.
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My last big tip was the next Secretary General NOT to be a woman at 3.60. PaddyPower have cut that to 2.1 so far. Christiana Figueres, one highly though of woman, may soon be pushed out the race. The only veto-wielding power to declare, France, has backed a man.0
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What an idiot he is. Cameron was right to try to block his appointment.RobD said:Jean-Claude Juncker, the head of the European Commission, has told Theresa May that she should not be holding free trade discussions with other nations while Britain is still a member of the EU.
Quite apart from anything else, it is entirely in the EU's interests for our exit to be as smooth and non-disruptive as possible. They should be encouraging us to talk as soon as possible both with the EU and with other countries. Any Article 50 turbulence is going to hit them as well as us.0 -
Thanks for all the comments.
On this being a right wing government, it's a fair point to argue that the case is not proven. My assessment is based on its make-up. We'll see, I guess.0 -
I think he'll go eventually (A la Gove) - but he is not obviously incompetent like Lansley, it'll be next year once he has won and his plans have been stamped through with authority. Hopefully the next health minister will have more intellectual heft than Nicky Morgan mind.AlastairMeeks said:
I decided "no bet" on this one. The divisions on the doctors' side make his departure more not less likely.Pulpstar said:
It should come in though - but it is probably 90-95, not 99% certain so I kept my stake to £50 rather than lumping on.AlastairMeeks said:
The ides of September are not yet gone.TheScreamingEagles said:
Who was that wise fellow who tipped Jeremy Hunt to be Health Secretary on 1st of January 2017?Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING BMA calls off next week's junior doctors' strike https://t.co/KJMRfaCqsv
Yes, I know, I'm bragging about a 1/6 tip0 -
Yep, it's only sensible to have these sort of arrangements in place for when we do leave the EU, since we can't negotiate a trade deal with the EU while negotiating our exit (as I understand it?)Richard_Nabavi said:
What an idiot he is. Cameron was right to try to block his appointment.RobD said:Jean-Claude Juncker, the head of the European Commission, has told Theresa May that she should not be holding free trade discussions with other nations while Britain is still a member of the EU.
Quite apart from anything else, it is entirely in the EU's interests for our exit to be as smooth and non-disruptive as possible. They should be encouraging us to talk as soon as possible both with the EU and with other countries. Any Article 50 turbulence is going to hit them as well as us.0 -
Richard_Nabavi said:
What an idiot he is. Cameron was right to try to block his appointment.RobD said:Jean-Claude Juncker, the head of the European Commission, has told Theresa May that she should not be holding free trade discussions with other nations while Britain is still a member of the EU.
Quite apart from anything else, it is entirely in the EU's interests for our exit to be as smooth and non-disruptive as possible. They should be encouraging us to talk as soon as possible both with the EU and with other countries. Any Article 50 turbulence is going to hit them as well as us.
As far as I'm aware we can sit down with whoever we like and talk about whatever we like?0 -
Wasn't there a joint project in the pipeline for a supersonic passenger jet some years ago? What became of it?Jonathan said:
Slightly unfair on the French who have given us the TGV and worked with us well to build the, Chunnel, the Airbus and the Millau Viaduct.Anorak said:So, to get this right, we're having a nuclear reactor built by a country whose idea of engineering excellence is the 2CV, and financed by a country renowned for espionage. What could possibly go wrong.
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Boring article until you reach the last line...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derwentside_Independents
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In any other institution, Junker should have resigned. The fact that Britain can leave on his watch and he keeps his post is perhaps the biggest inditement of the EU.Richard_Nabavi said:
What an idiot he is. Cameron was right to try to block his appointment.RobD said:Jean-Claude Juncker, the head of the European Commission, has told Theresa May that she should not be holding free trade discussions with other nations while Britain is still a member of the EU.
Quite apart from anything else, it is entirely in the EU's interests for our exit to be as smooth and non-disruptive as possible. They should be encouraging us to talk as soon as possible both with the EU and with other countries. Any Article 50 turbulence is going to hit them as well as us.0 -
My favourite French engineering story is not the 2CV: it's the Charles de Gaulle carrier. During trials its flight deck had to be extended to allow certain planes to land, and one of its massively expensive propellers fractured. It, and the other propeller, had been manufactured incorrectly and had to be replaced with props from older carriers. Designs of the new props had been lost and could not be remanufactured. The old props limited the carrier's speed, and made it so noisy that some quarters in the stern were rendered uninhabitable.Anorak said:
So, to get this right, we're having a nuclear reactor built by a country whose idea of engineering excellence is the 2CV, and financed by a country renowned for espionage. What could possibly go wrong.John_M said:
The Chinese will be pillaging us for secrets. It's the French that will be irradiating us, assuming they can make their infernal contraption actually work.Anorak said:
Bloody Chinese, with their money and their nuclear reactors, coming over here taking our houses and our radiation. Can hardly get proper British radiation now, you know, just that foreign muck. Almost impossible to get a good tumour going with that, I tell you.MarqueeMark said:
"The story" is probably that a BBC reporter was trying to buy a house in Colindale. And lost out to a Chinese lady....Anorak said:
Well speaking from West London (just along from Hammersmith), the market here has utterly dried up. Nothing shifting, no-one looking. Estate agents filled with houses and polyester suits, but no buyers. My neighbour went from a couple of viewings a day on her house to one a fortnight, if that.MarqueeMark said:
The "news" as that they reported it at all. Doesn't fit with the narrative....Gardenwalker said:
Pretty shoddy reporting from BBC.MarqueeMark said:Some of us on here did predict that there would be no post-Brexit house-price slump. Rather, that the fall in the pound would see foreign buyers piling in at bargain prices. And lo, it came to pass:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-uk-leaves-the-eu-37260267
One Chinese lady in Colindale does not a "spending spree" make.
So French.
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I think the brief for the 2CV was that a man in a hat had to be able to drive across a ploughed field with a box of eggs on the back seat. Which I think is brilliant. I also think the back bench seat is brilliant because you can take it out and sit on it for a picnic. You would see 2CVs being driven around with the seat thrown into the back like a bag of shopping. Not great from an H&S point and view, I suspectJonathan said:
Slightly unfair on the French who have given us the TGV and worked with us well to build the, Chunnel, the Airbus and the Millau Viaduct.Anorak said:So, to get this right, we're having a nuclear reactor built by a country whose idea of engineering excellence is the 2CV, and financed by a country renowned for espionage. What could possibly go wrong.
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Ours are just for showJosiasJessop said:
My favourite French engineering story is not the 2CV: it's the Charles de Gaulle carrier. During trials its flight deck had to be extended to allow certain planes to land, and one of its massively expensive propellers fractured. It, and the other propeller, had been manufactured incorrectly and had to be replaced with props from older carriers. Designs of the new props had been lost and could not be remanufactured. The old props limited the carrier's speed, and made it so noisy that some quarters in the stern were rendered uninhabitable.Anorak said:
So, to get this right, we're having a nuclear reactor built by a country whose idea of engineering excellence is the 2CV, and financed by a country renowned for espionage. What could possibly go wrong.John_M said:
The Chinese will be pillaging us for secrets. It's the French that will be irradiating us, assuming they can make their infernal contraption actually work.Anorak said:
Bloody Chinese, with their money and their nuclear reactors, coming over here taking our houses and our radiation. Can hardly get proper British radiation now, you know, just that foreign muck. Almost impossible to get a good tumour going with that, I tell you.MarqueeMark said:
"The story" is probably that a BBC reporter was trying to buy a house in Colindale. And lost out to a Chinese lady....Anorak said:
Well speaking from West London (just along from Hammersmith), the market here has utterly dried up. Nothing shifting, no-one looking. Estate agents filled with houses and polyester suits, but no buyers. My neighbour went from a couple of viewings a day on her house to one a fortnight, if that.MarqueeMark said:
The "news" as that they reported it at all. Doesn't fit with the narrative....Gardenwalker said:
Pretty shoddy reporting from BBC.MarqueeMark said:Some of us on here did predict that there would be no post-Brexit house-price slump. Rather, that the fall in the pound would see foreign buyers piling in at bargain prices. And lo, it came to pass:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-uk-leaves-the-eu-37260267
One Chinese lady in Colindale does not a "spending spree" make.
So French.
Compare with our brilliant massive new carriers, which are superb until you ask where the planes are to fly off them ...
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You might as well forbid your girlfriend from talking to other men.RobD said:
Yep, it's only sensible to have these sort of arrangements in place for when we do leave the EU, since we can't negotiate a trade deal with the EU while negotiating our exit (as I understand it?)Richard_Nabavi said:
What an idiot he is. Cameron was right to try to block his appointment.RobD said:Jean-Claude Juncker, the head of the European Commission, has told Theresa May that she should not be holding free trade discussions with other nations while Britain is still a member of the EU.
Quite apart from anything else, it is entirely in the EU's interests for our exit to be as smooth and non-disruptive as possible. They should be encouraging us to talk as soon as possible both with the EU and with other countries. Any Article 50 turbulence is going to hit them as well as us.0 -
Yes, we can't actually ratify any agreement until we leave, and other countries will in any case want to know what our relationship with the EU is going to be before they can get into detailed negotiations, but in the meantime there is a lot of preliminary work we can do to establish areas of common interest and identify any difficult points we'll jointly need to address. Is Juncker really so stupid as to think it's either sensible or realistic to stop UK ambassadors and civil servants having conversations?RobD said:
Yep, it's only sensible to have these sort of arrangements in place for when we do leave the EU, since we can't negotiate a trade deal with the EU while negotiating our exit (as I understand it?)Richard_Nabavi said:
What an idiot he is. Cameron was right to try to block his appointment.RobD said:Jean-Claude Juncker, the head of the European Commission, has told Theresa May that she should not be holding free trade discussions with other nations while Britain is still a member of the EU.
Quite apart from anything else, it is entirely in the EU's interests for our exit to be as smooth and non-disruptive as possible. They should be encouraging us to talk as soon as possible both with the EU and with other countries. Any Article 50 turbulence is going to hit them as well as us.0 -
Citation needed?SandyRentool said:Boring article until you reach the last line...
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I think this is actually an appropriate time for a Nelsonian blind eye to some of the EC's strictures. We're not going to cripple our national interest to flatter the vanity of a jumped up ex-Luxembourg town councillor.RobD said:
Yep, it's only sensible to have these sort of arrangements in place for when we do leave the EU, since we can't negotiate a trade deal with the EU while negotiating our exit (as I understand it?)Richard_Nabavi said:
What an idiot he is. Cameron was right to try to block his appointment.RobD said:Jean-Claude Juncker, the head of the European Commission, has told Theresa May that she should not be holding free trade discussions with other nations while Britain is still a member of the EU.
Quite apart from anything else, it is entirely in the EU's interests for our exit to be as smooth and non-disruptive as possible. They should be encouraging us to talk as soon as possible both with the EU and with other countries. Any Article 50 turbulence is going to hit them as well as us.0 -
... when she's told you she's leaving you.TheWhiteRabbit said:
You might as well forbid your girlfriend from talking to other men.RobD said:
Yep, it's only sensible to have these sort of arrangements in place for when we do leave the EU, since we can't negotiate a trade deal with the EU while negotiating our exit (as I understand it?)Richard_Nabavi said:
What an idiot he is. Cameron was right to try to block his appointment.RobD said:Jean-Claude Juncker, the head of the European Commission, has told Theresa May that she should not be holding free trade discussions with other nations while Britain is still a member of the EU.
Quite apart from anything else, it is entirely in the EU's interests for our exit to be as smooth and non-disruptive as possible. They should be encouraging us to talk as soon as possible both with the EU and with other countries. Any Article 50 turbulence is going to hit them as well as us.0 -
Wait, that was a non-binding break up!Richard_Nabavi said:
... when she's told you she's leaving you.TheWhiteRabbit said:
You might as well forbid your girlfriend from talking to other men.RobD said:
Yep, it's only sensible to have these sort of arrangements in place for when we do leave the EU, since we can't negotiate a trade deal with the EU while negotiating our exit (as I understand it?)Richard_Nabavi said:
What an idiot he is. Cameron was right to try to block his appointment.RobD said:Jean-Claude Juncker, the head of the European Commission, has told Theresa May that she should not be holding free trade discussions with other nations while Britain is still a member of the EU.
Quite apart from anything else, it is entirely in the EU's interests for our exit to be as smooth and non-disruptive as possible. They should be encouraging us to talk as soon as possible both with the EU and with other countries. Any Article 50 turbulence is going to hit them as well as us.0 -
The top table of the BMA has been hijacked - read the CVs of those at the top - they would kick Jezza out for being too right wing.Patrick said:
I think many doctors are not nearly as militant as the BMA. Therein lies a problem for doctors and the view the public has of them.rottenborough said:
What ever possessed them to think that a five day strike wouldn't lose them public support? Or indeed, their senior colleagues. Lions led by donkeys may well come to mind.SandyRentool said:
Next stage will be a group of 'moderate' junior doctors in Nottinghamshire forming the Union of Democratic Medicworkers and crossing the picket lines.jonny83 said:Losing the support from their senior doctor colleagues and some of those unions has made them bottle it. Falling public support hasn't helped either.
The government needs to keep the pressure on them, they are starting to fragment.
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@carlgardner: Did Davis just say he intends the UK to stay in the European Arrest Warrant system?
@IanDunt: Yvette Cooper, also brilliant: Have they even looked at what home affairs issues will be? Has he decided if UK will be staying in Europol?
@JohnRentoul: Yvette Cooper gets a straight answer from David Davis: yes the Govt wants to remain part of EU home affairs cooperation.0 -
What time of day is cited for the comment? Methinks it was after wine o'clock.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, we can't actually ratify any agreement until we leave, and other countries will in any case want to know what our relationship with the EU is going to be before they can get into detailed negotiations, but in the meantime there is a lot of preliminary work we can do to establish areas of common interest and identify any difficult points we'll jointly need to address. Is Juncker really so stupid as to think it's either sensible or realistic to stop UK ambassadors and civil servants having conversations?RobD said:
Yep, it's only sensible to have these sort of arrangements in place for when we do leave the EU, since we can't negotiate a trade deal with the EU while negotiating our exit (as I understand it?)Richard_Nabavi said:
What an idiot he is. Cameron was right to try to block his appointment.RobD said:Jean-Claude Juncker, the head of the European Commission, has told Theresa May that she should not be holding free trade discussions with other nations while Britain is still a member of the EU.
Quite apart from anything else, it is entirely in the EU's interests for our exit to be as smooth and non-disruptive as possible. They should be encouraging us to talk as soon as possible both with the EU and with other countries. Any Article 50 turbulence is going to hit them as well as us.0 -
Why not? We crippled our national interest to wound the vanity of a jumped up old Etonian PR man after all.John_M said:
I think this is actually an appropriate time for a Nelsonian blind eye to some of the EC's strictures. We're not going to cripple our national interest to flatter the vanity of a jumped up ex-Luxembourg town councillor.RobD said:
Yep, it's only sensible to have these sort of arrangements in place for when we do leave the EU, since we can't negotiate a trade deal with the EU while negotiating our exit (as I understand it?)Richard_Nabavi said:
What an idiot he is. Cameron was right to try to block his appointment.RobD said:Jean-Claude Juncker, the head of the European Commission, has told Theresa May that she should not be holding free trade discussions with other nations while Britain is still a member of the EU.
Quite apart from anything else, it is entirely in the EU's interests for our exit to be as smooth and non-disruptive as possible. They should be encouraging us to talk as soon as possible both with the EU and with other countries. Any Article 50 turbulence is going to hit them as well as us.
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When the three district councils merged back in the 70s (Consett, Stanley and Lanchester) they had to decide which councillors got which office in the Derwentside council.RobD said:
Citation needed?SandyRentool said:Boring article until you reach the last line...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derwentside_Independents
Because Stanley had more votes than Consett and Lanchester, all the jobs went to ex Stanley councillors.
The last line is obviously trolling and one reason why you should always take subjective information on Wikipedia with a large pinch of Natrium Chloride.0 -
Juncker doesn't care about Europe, or its people. He cares about the EU. He'd happily cut off Europe's nose to spite Britain's face.0
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Crippled our national interest? Starting to sound like the discredited remain campaign now!williamglenn said:
Why not? We crippled our national interest to wound the vanity of a jumped up old Etonian PR man after all.John_M said:
I think this is actually an appropriate time for a Nelsonian blind eye to some of the EC's strictures. We're not going to cripple our national interest to flatter the vanity of a jumped up ex-Luxembourg town councillor.RobD said:
Yep, it's only sensible to have these sort of arrangements in place for when we do leave the EU, since we can't negotiate a trade deal with the EU while negotiating our exit (as I understand it?)Richard_Nabavi said:
What an idiot he is. Cameron was right to try to block his appointment.RobD said:Jean-Claude Juncker, the head of the European Commission, has told Theresa May that she should not be holding free trade discussions with other nations while Britain is still a member of the EU.
Quite apart from anything else, it is entirely in the EU's interests for our exit to be as smooth and non-disruptive as possible. They should be encouraging us to talk as soon as possible both with the EU and with other countries. Any Article 50 turbulence is going to hit them as well as us.0 -
This has always been about 2 things - money/greed and politics. They wanted to do political damage to the elected government. And now they are close to destroying the BMATGOHF said:
The top table of the BMA has been hijacked - read the CVs of those at the top - they would kick Jezza out for being too right wing.Patrick said:
I think many doctors are not nearly as militant as the BMA. Therein lies a problem for doctors and the view the public has of them.rottenborough said:
What ever possessed them to think that a five day strike wouldn't lose them public support? Or indeed, their senior colleagues. Lions led by donkeys may well come to mind.SandyRentool said:
Next stage will be a group of 'moderate' junior doctors in Nottinghamshire forming the Union of Democratic Medicworkers and crossing the picket lines.jonny83 said:Losing the support from their senior doctor colleagues and some of those unions has made them bottle it. Falling public support hasn't helped either.
The government needs to keep the pressure on them, they are starting to fragment.0 -
ahem, a man in a top hat...FF43 said:
I think the brief for the 2CV was that a man in a hat had to be able to drive across a ploughed field with a box of eggs on the back seat. Which I think is brilliant. I also think the back bench seat is brilliant because you can take it out and sit on it for a picnic. You would see 2CVs being driven around with the seat thrown into the back like a bag of shopping. Not great from an H&S point and view, I suspectJonathan said:
Slightly unfair on the French who have given us the TGV and worked with us well to build the, Chunnel, the Airbus and the Millau Viaduct.Anorak said:So, to get this right, we're having a nuclear reactor built by a country whose idea of engineering excellence is the 2CV, and financed by a country renowned for espionage. What could possibly go wrong.
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To be fair to Juncker I think he was asked for his opinion on Australia's enthusiasm for early negotiation of an FTA with the UK. He was repeating the party line. I think Australia is looking to sell agricultural produce to the UK when it is largely quota'ed out by the EU. I am guessing that will depend on our eventual WTO negotiations and what happens to our share of the EU agricultural quotas. This isn't a trivial question. It determines whether we have a viable farming sectorRichard_Nabavi said:
Yes, we can't actually ratify any agreement until we leave, and other countries will in any case want to know what our relationship with the EU is going to be before they can get into detailed negotiations, but in the meantime there is a lot of preliminary work we can do to establish areas of common interest and identify any difficult points we'll jointly need to address. Is Juncker really so stupid as to think it's either sensible or realistic to stop UK ambassadors and civil servants having conversations?RobD said:
Yep, it's only sensible to have these sort of arrangements in place for when we do leave the EU, since we can't negotiate a trade deal with the EU while negotiating our exit (as I understand it?)Richard_Nabavi said:
What an idiot he is. Cameron was right to try to block his appointment.RobD said:Jean-Claude Juncker, the head of the European Commission, has told Theresa May that she should not be holding free trade discussions with other nations while Britain is still a member of the EU.
Quite apart from anything else, it is entirely in the EU's interests for our exit to be as smooth and non-disruptive as possible. They should be encouraging us to talk as soon as possible both with the EU and with other countries. Any Article 50 turbulence is going to hit them as well as us.0 -
Very blunt!RobD said:
Citation needed?SandyRentool said:Boring article until you reach the last line...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derwentside_Independents0 -
I cannot believe that our national interest required the creation of a prolonged period of economic uncertainlty, over and above the natural state of things.RobD said:
Crippled our national interest? Starting to sound like the discredited remain campaign now!williamglenn said:
Why not? We crippled our national interest to wound the vanity of a jumped up old Etonian PR man after all.John_M said:
I think this is actually an appropriate time for a Nelsonian blind eye to some of the EC's strictures. We're not going to cripple our national interest to flatter the vanity of a jumped up ex-Luxembourg town councillor.RobD said:
Yep, it's only sensible to have these sort of arrangements in place for when we do leave the EU, since we can't negotiate a trade deal with the EU while negotiating our exit (as I understand it?)Richard_Nabavi said:
What an idiot he is. Cameron was right to try to block his appointment.RobD said:Jean-Claude Juncker, the head of the European Commission, has told Theresa May that she should not be holding free trade discussions with other nations while Britain is still a member of the EU.
Quite apart from anything else, it is entirely in the EU's interests for our exit to be as smooth and non-disruptive as possible. They should be encouraging us to talk as soon as possible both with the EU and with other countries. Any Article 50 turbulence is going to hit them as well as us.0 -
The dilemma of Llama's cat (Schrodingers cat with a twist and for real):
Old cats go into very deep sleep and according to Herself it is very dangerous to wake them in case the shock gives them a heart attack from which they die. My cat is on the sofa and doesn't seem to have moved since he had his lunchtime prawns. My eyes are poor but I cannot see any sign of life, I am not sure if he is alive or has passed through the great cat flap. It is now his teatime.
Do I gently stroke his whiskers and so risk killing him or shall I let him sleep on even though he may actually be dead?0 -
That doesn't mean it has "crippled" it.OldKingCole said:
I cannot believe that our national interest required the creation of a prolonged period of economic uncertainlty, over and above the natural state of things.RobD said:
Crippled our national interest? Starting to sound like the discredited remain campaign now!williamglenn said:
Why not? We crippled our national interest to wound the vanity of a jumped up old Etonian PR man after all.John_M said:
I think this is actually an appropriate time for a Nelsonian blind eye to some of the EC's strictures. We're not going to cripple our national interest to flatter the vanity of a jumped up ex-Luxembourg town councillor.RobD said:
Yep, it's only sensible to have these sort of arrangements in place for when we do leave the EU, since we can't negotiate a trade deal with the EU while negotiating our exit (as I understand it?)Richard_Nabavi said:
What an idiot he is. Cameron was right to try to block his appointment.RobD said:Jean-Claude Juncker, the head of the European Commission, has told Theresa May that she should not be holding free trade discussions with other nations while Britain is still a member of the EU.
Quite apart from anything else, it is entirely in the EU's interests for our exit to be as smooth and non-disruptive as possible. They should be encouraging us to talk as soon as possible both with the EU and with other countries. Any Article 50 turbulence is going to hit them as well as us.0 -
A mirror in front of his nose will mist if he is breathing. It is the best way to detect faint breathing.HurstLlama said:The dilemma of Llama's cat (Schrodingers cat with a twist and for real):
Old cats go into very deep sleep and according to Herself it is very dangerous to wake them in case the shock gives them a heart attack from which they die. My cat is on the sofa and doesn't seem to have moved since he had his lunchtime prawns. My eyes are poor but I cannot see any sign of life, I am not sure if he is alive or has passed through the great cat flap. It is now his teatime.
Do I gently stroke his whiskers and so risk killing him or shall I let him sleep on even though he may actually be dead?0 -
Stick a spare prawn under his nose.HurstLlama said:The dilemma of Llama's cat (Schrodingers cat with a twist and for real):
Old cats go into very deep sleep and according to Herself it is very dangerous to wake them in case the shock gives them a heart attack from which they die. My cat is on the sofa and doesn't seem to have moved since he had his lunchtime prawns. My eyes are poor but I cannot see any sign of life, I am not sure if he is alive or has passed through the great cat flap. It is now his teatime.
Do I gently stroke his whiskers and so risk killing him or shall I let him sleep on even though he may actually be dead?
But not a cucumber. No sirreeee.....
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HurstLlama said:
The dilemma of Llama's cat (Schrodingers cat with a twist and for real):
Old cats go into very deep sleep and according to Herself it is very dangerous to wake them in case the shock gives them a heart attack from which they die. My cat is on the sofa and doesn't seem to have moved since he had his lunchtime prawns. My eyes are poor but I cannot see any sign of life, I am not sure if he is alive or has passed through the great cat flap. It is now his teatime.
Do I gently stroke his whiskers and so risk killing him or shall I let him sleep on even though he may actually be dead?
If you killed him by trying to wake him, would you even know?
BTW I've never heard about cats having heart attacks upon waking. It's humans that have weak hearts and are prone to problems with them. With cats, it's their kidneys that are the weak area.
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Best not wake him though. If he was hungry he would let you know. Whether resting in peace or just resting peacefully no need to disturb him.foxinsoxuk said:
A mirror in front of his nose will mist if he is breathing. It is the best way to detect faint breathing.HurstLlama said:The dilemma of Llama's cat (Schrodingers cat with a twist and for real):
Old cats go into very deep sleep and according to Herself it is very dangerous to wake them in case the shock gives them a heart attack from which they die. My cat is on the sofa and doesn't seem to have moved since he had his lunchtime prawns. My eyes are poor but I cannot see any sign of life, I am not sure if he is alive or has passed through the great cat flap. It is now his teatime.
Do I gently stroke his whiskers and so risk killing him or shall I let him sleep on even though he may actually be dead?0 -
Many, many years ago, when a colunist in a now defunct pharmaceutical publication I wrote an article entitled “a small group of politically motivated men”oxfordsimon said:
This has always been about 2 things - money/greed and politics. They wanted to do political damage to the elected government. And now they are close to destroying the BMATGOHF said:
The top table of the BMA has been hijacked - read the CVs of those at the top - they would kick Jezza out for being too right wing.Patrick said:
I think many doctors are not nearly as militant as the BMA. Therein lies a problem for doctors and the view the public has of them.rottenborough said:
What ever possessed them to think that a five day strike wouldn't lose them public support? Or indeed, their senior colleagues. Lions led by donkeys may well come to mind.SandyRentool said:
Next stage will be a group of 'moderate' junior doctors in Nottinghamshire forming the Union of Democratic Medicworkers and crossing the picket lines.jonny83 said:Losing the support from their senior doctor colleagues and some of those unions has made them bottle it. Falling public support hasn't helped either.
The government needs to keep the pressure on them, they are starting to fragment.
This was a quote from Harold Wilson referring to the organisers of a Seamen's strike but in my context it referred to the BMA, with whom, politically, pharmacists were then in conflict.
My experience around pharmaceutical politics is that medical doctors are ferocious both in defence of what they see as their rights and against those whom they perceive as threatening them.0 -
Well, it seems unlikely, in the medium term to help.RobD said:
That doesn't mean it has "crippled" it.OldKingCole said:
I cannot believe that our national interest required the creation of a prolonged period of economic uncertainlty, over and above the natural state of things.RobD said:
Crippled our national interest? Starting to sound like the discredited remain campaign now!williamglenn said:
Why not? We crippled our national interest to wound the vanity of a jumped up old Etonian PR man after all.John_M said:
I think this is actually an appropriate time for a Nelsonian blind eye to some of the EC's strictures. We're not going to cripple our national interest to flatter the vanity of a jumped up ex-Luxembourg town councillor.RobD said:
Yep, it's only sensible to have these sort of arrangements in place for when we do leave the EU, since we can't negotiate a trade deal with the EU while negotiating our exit (as I understand it?)Richard_Nabavi said:
What an idiot he is. Cameron was right to try to block his appointment.RobD said:Jean-Claude Juncker, the head of the European Commission, has told Theresa May that she should not be holding free trade discussions with other nations while Britain is still a member of the EU.
Quite apart from anything else, it is entirely in the EU's interests for our exit to be as smooth and non-disruptive as possible. They should be encouraging us to talk as soon as possible both with the EU and with other countries. Any Article 50 turbulence is going to hit them as well as us.0 -
Genuinely surprised no-one has suggested giving him a cat scan....foxinsoxuk said:
Best not wake him though. If he was hungry he would let you know. Whether resting in peace or just resting peacefully no need to disturb him.foxinsoxuk said:
A mirror in front of his nose will mist if he is breathing. It is the best way to detect faint breathing.HurstLlama said:The dilemma of Llama's cat (Schrodingers cat with a twist and for real):
Old cats go into very deep sleep and according to Herself it is very dangerous to wake them in case the shock gives them a heart attack from which they die. My cat is on the sofa and doesn't seem to have moved since he had his lunchtime prawns. My eyes are poor but I cannot see any sign of life, I am not sure if he is alive or has passed through the great cat flap. It is now his teatime.
Do I gently stroke his whiskers and so risk killing him or shall I let him sleep on even though he may actually be dead?0 -
Yes, but I didn't say that, I was merely pointing out the hyperbole from williamglenn!OldKingCole said:
Well, it seems unlikely, in the medium term to help.RobD said:
That doesn't mean it has "crippled" it.OldKingCole said:
I cannot believe that our national interest required the creation of a prolonged period of economic uncertainlty, over and above the natural state of things.RobD said:
Crippled our national interest? Starting to sound like the discredited remain campaign now!williamglenn said:
Why not? We crippled our national interest to wound the vanity of a jumped up old Etonian PR man after all.John_M said:
I think this is actually an appropriate time for a Nelsonian blind eye to some of the EC's strictures. We're not going to cripple our national interest to flatter the vanity of a jumped up ex-Luxembourg town councillor.RobD said:
Yep, it's only sensible to have these sort of arrangements in place for when we do leave the EU, since we can't negotiate a trade deal with the EU while negotiating our exit (as I understand it?)Richard_Nabavi said:
What an idiot he is. Cameron was right to try to block his appointment.RobD said:Jean-Claude Juncker, the head of the European Commission, has told Theresa May that she should not be holding free trade discussions with other nations while Britain is still a member of the EU.
Quite apart from anything else, it is entirely in the EU's interests for our exit to be as smooth and non-disruptive as possible. They should be encouraging us to talk as soon as possible both with the EU and with other countries. Any Article 50 turbulence is going to hit them as well as us.0 -
Your coat.....MarqueeMark said:
Genuinely surprised no-one has suggested giving him a cat scan....foxinsoxuk said:
Best not wake him though. If he was hungry he would let you know. Whether resting in peace or just resting peacefully no need to disturb him.foxinsoxuk said:
A mirror in front of his nose will mist if he is breathing. It is the best way to detect faint breathing.HurstLlama said:The dilemma of Llama's cat (Schrodingers cat with a twist and for real):
Old cats go into very deep sleep and according to Herself it is very dangerous to wake them in case the shock gives them a heart attack from which they die. My cat is on the sofa and doesn't seem to have moved since he had his lunchtime prawns. My eyes are poor but I cannot see any sign of life, I am not sure if he is alive or has passed through the great cat flap. It is now his teatime.
Do I gently stroke his whiskers and so risk killing him or shall I let him sleep on even though he may actually be dead?0 -
It'll be diabetes that does for Simba I expectMarkHopkins said:HurstLlama said:The dilemma of Llama's cat (Schrodingers cat with a twist and for real):
Old cats go into very deep sleep and according to Herself it is very dangerous to wake them in case the shock gives them a heart attack from which they die. My cat is on the sofa and doesn't seem to have moved since he had his lunchtime prawns. My eyes are poor but I cannot see any sign of life, I am not sure if he is alive or has passed through the great cat flap. It is now his teatime.
Do I gently stroke his whiskers and so risk killing him or shall I let him sleep on even though he may actually be dead?
If you killed him by trying to wake him, would you even know?
BTW I've never heard about cats having heart attacks upon waking. It's humans that have weak hearts and are prone to problems with them. With cats, it's their kidneys that are the weak area.
(He and his siblings all eat from the same bowls, he is 6.8 kg and his sister is 2.6...)0 -
Golden opportunity for May to rebuke him publically and tell him to basically mind his own business. Will get her many brownie points with kipperish tory members and voters.Richard_Nabavi said:
What an idiot he is. Cameron was right to try to block his appointment.RobD said:Jean-Claude Juncker, the head of the European Commission, has told Theresa May that she should not be holding free trade discussions with other nations while Britain is still a member of the EU.
Quite apart from anything else, it is entirely in the EU's interests for our exit to be as smooth and non-disruptive as possible. They should be encouraging us to talk as soon as possible both with the EU and with other countries. Any Article 50 turbulence is going to hit them as well as us.
Sending a gunboat or two to blockade Zeebrugge would go down even better with them....dont think it her style though... 0 -
Fair point!RobD said:
Yes, but I didn't say that, I was merely pointing out the hyperbole from williamglenn!OldKingCole said:
Well, it seems unlikely, in the medium term to help.RobD said:
That doesn't mean it has "crippled" it.OldKingCole said:
I cannot believe that our national interest required the creation of a prolonged period of economic uncertainlty, over and above the natural state of things.RobD said:
Crippled our national interest? Starting to sound like the discredited remain campaign now!williamglenn said:
Why not? We crippled our national interest to wound the vanity of a jumped up old Etonian PR man after all.John_M said:
I think this is actually an appropriate time for a Nelsonian blind eye to some of the EC's strictures. We're not going to cripple our national interest to flatter the vanity of a jumped up ex-Luxembourg town councillor.RobD said:
Yep, it's only sensible to have these sort of arrangements in place for when we do leave the EU, since we can't negotiate a trade deal with the EU while negotiating our exit (as I understand it?)Richard_Nabavi said:
What an idiot he is. Cameron was right to try to block his appointment.RobD said:Jean-Claude Juncker, the head of the European Commission, has told Theresa May that she should not be holding free trade discussions with other nations while Britain is still a member of the EU.
Quite apart from anything else, it is entirely in the EU's interests for our exit to be as smooth and non-disruptive as possible. They should be encouraging us to talk as soon as possible both with the EU and with other countries. Any Article 50 turbulence is going to hit them as well as us.0 -
All this talk from Farage about 'backsliding' due to May's comments on the points-based system, despite the fact she thought the points-based system would allow too many migrants into the country (given anyone who meets the criteria can enter, without limit). Bonkers!0
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Good news for me. I think I live up the road from you, I think.AlastairMeeks said:The property market has not cooled down in EC2. My downstairs neighbours have just agreed a price on their flat which was about £500,000 more than I had been expecting.
Sadly not in the position of having a house worth so much an extra £500k could be offered, though.0
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