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EPG said:

Anyone on PB have kids they told to go into a trade instead of going to university? What was the outcome?

I think we can all agree that PB progeny are just the types to benefit from a university education. Other people's kids, not so much.

Theuniondivvie said:

EPG said:

Anyone on PB have kids they told to go into a trade instead of going to university? What was the outcome?

I think we can all agree that PB progeny are just the types to benefit from a university education. Other people's kids, not so much.

One of my kids went to uni, if I can dignify it with the name, the other thought it a waste of time so didn't bother. I'll confess to being a snob; if it's not Russell group or better, it's likely to be a waste of time - though there are a few honourable exceptions.

RobD said:

John_M said:

Theuniondivvie said:

EPG said:

Anyone on PB have kids they told to go into a trade instead of going to university? What was the outcome?

I think we can all agree that PB progeny are just the types to benefit from a university education. Other people's kids, not so much.

One of my kids went to uni, if I can dignify it with the name, the other thought it a waste of time so didn't bother. I'll confess to being a snob; if it's not Russell group or better, it's likely to be a waste of time - though there are a few honourable exceptions.

Hull?

Falmouth .

ydoethur said:

John_M said:

Theuniondivvie said:

EPG said:

Anyone on PB have kids they told to go into a trade instead of going to university? What was the outcome?

I think we can all agree that PB progeny are just the types to benefit from a university education. Other people's kids, not so much.

One of my kids went to uni, if I can dignify it with the name, the other thought it a waste of time so didn't bother. I'll confess to being a snob; if it's not Russell group or better, it's likely to be a waste of time - though there are a few honourable exceptions.

I'm intrigued. What universities are better than the Russell Group?

Some universities in the US.

RobD said:

ydoethur said:

John_M said:

Theuniondivvie said:

EPG said:

Anyone on PB have kids they told to go into a trade instead of going to university? What was the outcome?

I think we can all agree that PB progeny are just the types to benefit from a university education. Other people's kids, not so much.

One of my kids went to uni, if I can dignify it with the name, the other thought it a waste of time so didn't bother. I'll confess to being a snob; if it's not Russell group or better, it's likely to be a waste of time - though there are a few honourable exceptions.

I'm intrigued. What universities are better than the Russell Group?

Some universities in the US.

Yep, some of the Ivy Leagues, MIT, Caltech.

RobD said:

ydoethur said:

John_M said:

Theuniondivvie said:

EPG said:

Anyone on PB have kids they told to go into a trade instead of going to university? What was the outcome?

I think we can all agree that PB progeny are just the types to benefit from a university education. Other people's kids, not so much.

One of my kids went to uni, if I can dignify it with the name, the other thought it a waste of time so didn't bother. I'll confess to being a snob; if it's not Russell group or better, it's likely to be a waste of time - though there are a few honourable exceptions.

I'm intrigued. What universities are better than the Russell Group?

Some universities in the US.

Global Times Higher Educational Rankings currently puts Oxford second (which casts doubt on the system, bluntly) behind the California institute of Technology (which doesn't inspire confidence either). Stanford is third, followed by Cambridge. Fees for those two, plus the eight big Ivy League institutions, are usually vaguely akin to extortionate. Tuition fees for Harvard Law School, for example, are $59,550 this year, although some courses appear to ask for nearer $40,000. These would have to be paid upfront unless you had a scholarship. Unless you are totally minted, that is simply not worth it.

Incidentally, don't get too carried away with the Russell Group as undergraduate providers. There are issues surrounding the quality of teaching in those institutions, for the very simple reason that academics are hired to research rather than teach. Although their graduates tend to be able, remember that they only select able ones in the first place so it is sometimes a case of garbage in, garbage out (not that they are garbage, but you get my meaning)!

With some students who are good but not brilliant, I advise doing a first degree at a different university and then a Masters at the Russell Group later when they have developed the necessary skills. Moreover, a masters is becoming the new baccalaureate so that is to their further advantage.

ydoethur said:

RobD said:

ydoethur said:

John_M said:

Theuniondivvie said:

EPG said:

Anyone on PB have kids they told to go into a trade instead of going to university? What was the outcome?

I think we can all agree that PB progeny are just the types to benefit from a university education. Other people's kids, not so much.

One of my kids went to uni, if I can dignify it with the name, the other thought it a waste of time so didn't bother. I'll confess to being a snob; if it's not Russell group or better, it's likely to be a waste of time - though there are a few honourable exceptions.

I'm intrigued. What universities are better than the Russell Group?

Some universities in the US.

Global Times Higher Educational Rankings currently puts Oxford second (which casts doubt on the system, bluntly) behind the California institute of Technology (which doesn't inspire confidence either). Stanford is third, followed by Cambridge. Fees for those two, plus the eight big Ivy League institutions, are usually vaguely akin to extortionate. Tuition fees for Harvard Law School, for example, are $59,550 this year, although some courses appear to ask for nearer $40,000. These would have to be paid upfront unless you had a scholarship. Unless you are totally minted, that is simply not worth it.

Incidentally, don't get too carried away with the Russell Group as undergraduate providers. There are issues surrounding the quality of teaching in those institutions, for the very simple reason that academics are hired to research rather than teach. Although their graduates tend to be able, remember that they only select able ones in the first place so it is sometimes a case of garbage in, garbage out (not that they are garbage, but you get my meaning)!

With some students who are good but not brilliant, I advise doing a first degree at a different university and then a Masters at the Russell Group later when they have developed the necessary skills. Moreover, a masters is becoming the new baccalaureate so that is to their further advantage.

Most Ivy League schools have significant scholarships though and if you go to Harvard Law School you will probably soon be working for a Wall Street law firm and making a small fortune so it more than pays off

surbiton said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Dr. Prasannan, wasn't the ban overturned on appeal? Also, Armitstead doesn't come from a country found to have run state-sponsored doping of athletes.

So missing three [ not one, not two, but three ] tests is OK then ?

One of the missed tests was the fault of UKAD though, that's why CAS ruled in her favour. She also volunteered for a test the following day after they buggered up. Again a reason why CAS ruled in her favour. Even the third missed test was down to UKAD being overly harsh.

tlg86 said:

BBC finds an anti Brexit angle via the Fringe Festival.

i'm sure if Britain doesn't finish top of the medal tables at Rio there will be a dilemma.

Should they blame it on Tory cuts or Brexit? Choices, choices.........

surbiton said:

MaxPB said:

surbiton said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Dr. Prasannan, wasn't the ban overturned on appeal? Also, Armitstead doesn't come from a country found to have run state-sponsored doping of athletes.

So missing three [ not one, not two, but three ] tests is OK then ?

One of the missed tests was the fault of UKAD though, that's why CAS ruled in her favour. She also volunteered for a test the following day after they buggered up. Again a reason why CAS ruled in her favour. Even the third missed test was down to UKAD being overly harsh.

But Isinbayeva who never failed a test, either in Russia or abroad , cannot compete.

It would be good if Gatlin wins the gold in 100m.

You're a strangle little man.

ydoethur said:

RobD said:

ydoethur said:

John_M said:

Theuniondivvie said:

EPG said:

Anyone on PB have kids they told to go into a trade instead of going to university? What was the outcome?

I think we can all agree that PB progeny are just the types to benefit from a university education. Other people's kids, not so much.

One of my kids went to uni, if I can dignify it with the name, the other thought it a waste of time so didn't bother. I'll confess to being a snob; if it's not Russell group or better, it's likely to be a waste of time - though there are a few honourable exceptions.

I'm intrigued. What universities are better than the Russell Group?

Some universities in the US.

Global Times Higher Educational Rankings currently puts Oxford second (which casts doubt on the system, bluntly) behind the California institute of Technology (which doesn't inspire confidence either). Stanford is third, followed by Cambridge. Fees for those two, plus the eight big Ivy League institutions, are usually vaguely akin to extortionate. Tuition fees for Harvard Law School, for example, are $59,550 this year, although some courses appear to ask for nearer $40,000. These would have to be paid upfront unless you had a scholarship. Unless you are totally minted, that is simply not worth it.

Incidentally, don't get too carried away with the Russell Group as undergraduate providers. There are issues surrounding the quality of teaching in those institutions, for the very simple reason that academics are hired to research rather than teach. Although their graduates tend to be able, remember that they only select able ones in the first place so it is sometimes a case of garbage in, garbage out (not that they are garbage, but you get my meaning)!

With some students who are good but not brilliant, I advise doing a first degree at a different university and then a Masters at the Russell Group later when they have developed the necessary skills. Moreover, a masters is becoming the new baccalaureate so that is to their further advantage.

I worked in a University Medical School for a while. Research was the only way to progress as an Academic. Teaching Undergraduate Medical Students counted for very little, despite that being the ostensible reason for the institution. Are good researchers also good teachers? Sometimes perhaps but the correlation is poor.

Indeed part of the reason I moved to an NHS post in a University Hospital was that I wanted to teach rather than research.

Fox jr went to UEA rather than a Russell group Uni precisely because the feedback on teaching was so good for his subject.

HYUFD said:

Indigo said:

HYUFD said:

HurstLlama said:

FPT

Sorry just catching up. Re:Tradesmen's earnings versus the graduate premium, unless one is academically very gifted (i.e. about 10% f the young people university would seem a very bad deal compared to taking up a skilled trade).

I have just had the final bill from the chap who ripped out the old and put in a new bathroom - £4,220 for two week's work, that is labour only, materials plus, tiles, fittings etc were in addition. How many people, graduates or otherwise, earn £2,000 a week? The bloke concerned is a graduate and used to work installing and maintaining flight simulators for CAe, he switched to a job that earns him more and allows him to spend more time at home with wife and family. He doesn't advertise, but is now booked solid until mid-January 2017.

The fellow I found, after months of searching, to repoint one corner of the house (five days work at £300 a day) has now pulled out, better money on offer elsewhere. The qualified plumber we had in to re-jig the hot water system prior to the new bathroom, £400 a day. Electricians cost about the same is you can get one (fellow at the pub runs a spark's business, and is run off his feet, cannot recruit enough qualified people and, get this, can't find youngsters to take on as apprentices).

Graduate premium, my bottom. Ok, a sparks is a sparks, a plumber a plumber and there is no career ladder to climb. But at 2 grand a week who would worry.

Most plumbers are on mid £20k or a little above, of course the more people train as plumbers and electricians the less demand there will be for them and the few who are very highly paid will diminish rapidly

Source please ? With special reference to your use of the word "most"

Payscale - The average wage for a plumber is £10.88 an hour, salaries typically range from £12,474 to £36,047. The national average is £22,607
http://www.payscale.com/research/UK/Job=Plumber/Hourly_Rate

Howls of derive laughter. You try getting a plumber for the equivalent of of £22K in the SE, you wouldn't even find one for your top end of £36k.

John_M said:

RobD said:

John_M said:

Theuniondivvie said:

EPG said:

Anyone on PB have kids they told to go into a trade instead of going to university? What was the outcome?

I think we can all agree that PB progeny are just the types to benefit from a university education. Other people's kids, not so much.

One of my kids went to uni, if I can dignify it with the name, the other thought it a waste of time so didn't bother. I'll confess to being a snob; if it's not Russell group or better, it's likely to be a waste of time - though there are a few honourable exceptions.

Hull?

Falmouth .

atleast it wasn't Westminster

foxinsoxuk said:

I worked in a University Medical School for a while. Research was the only way to progress as an Academic. Teaching Undergraduate Medical Students counted for very little, despite that being the ostensible reason for the institution. Are good researchers also good teachers? Sometimes perhaps but the correlation is poor.

Indeed part of the reason I moved to an NHS post in a University Hospital was that I wanted to teach rather than research.

Fox jr went to UEA rather than a Russell group Uni precisely because the feedback on teaching was so good for his subject.

Yeah universities are weird when it comes to teaching. To teach in a primary/secondary school you have to be qualified. To teach an undergraduate course at university requires literally no professional qualifications (a PhD isn't training you to teach)!

nunu said:

tlg86 said:

BBC finds an anti Brexit angle via the Fringe Festival.

i'm sure if Britain doesn't finish top of the medal tables at Rio there will be a dilemma.

Should they blame it on Tory cuts or Brexit? Choices, choices.........

I think the only time we topped the medal table was 1908

foxinsoxuk said:

HYUFD said:

ydoethur said:

HYUFD said:

Most Ivy League schools have significant scholarships though and if you go to Harvard Law School you will probably soon be working for a Wall Street law firm and making a small fortune so it more than pays off

If you can get your green card - bearing in mind we are talking about British students here.

Indeed but if you have a Harvard Law degree and a role at a top Manhattan law firm then a green card should not be a major problem

The combination of money and knowledge of immigration law is a good headstart!

Certainly helps

HurstLlama said:

HYUFD said:

Indigo said:

HYUFD said:

HurstLlama said:

FPT

Sorry just catching up. Re:Tradesmen's earnings versus the graduate premium, unless one is academically very gifted (i.e. about 10% f the young people university would seem a very bad deal compared to taking up a skilled trade).

I have just had the final bill from the chap who ripped out the old and put in a new bathroom - £4,220 for two week's work, that is labour only, materials plus, tiles, fittings etc were in addition. How many people, graduates or otherwise, earn £2,000 a week? The bloke concerned is a graduate and used to work installing and maintaining flight simulators for CAe, he switched to a job that earns him more and allows him to spend more time at home with wife and family. He doesn't advertise, but is now booked solid until mid-January 2017.

The fellow I found, after months of searching, to repoint one corner of the house (five days work at £300 a day) has now pulled out, better money on offer elsewhere. The qualified plumber we had in to re-jig the hot water system prior to the new bathroom, £400 a day. Electricians cost about the same is you can get one (fellow at the pub runs a spark's business, and is run off his feet, cannot recruit enough qualified people and, get this, can't find youngsters to take on as apprentices).

Graduate premium, my bottom. Ok, a sparks is a sparks, a plumber a plumber and there is no career ladder to climb. But at 2 grand a week who would worry.

Most plumbers are on mid £20k or a little above, of course the more people train as plumbers and electricians the less demand there will be for them and the few who are very highly paid will diminish rapidly

Source please ? With special reference to your use of the word "most"

Payscale - The average wage for a plumber is £10.88 an hour, salaries typically range from £12,474 to £36,047. The national average is £22,607
http://www.payscale.com/research/UK/Job=Plumber/Hourly_Rate

Howls of derive laughter. You try getting a plumber for the equivalent of of £22K in the SE, you wouldn't even find one for your top end of £36k.

Well any job is paid more in the SE, especially if it is a job for the wealthy Home Counties upper middle classes

RobD said:

foxinsoxuk said:

I worked in a University Medical School for a while. Research was the only way to progress as an Academic. Teaching Undergraduate Medical Students counted for very little, despite that being the ostensible reason for the institution. Are good researchers also good teachers? Sometimes perhaps but the correlation is poor.

Indeed part of the reason I moved to an NHS post in a University Hospital was that I wanted to teach rather than research.

Fox jr went to UEA rather than a Russell group Uni precisely because the feedback on teaching was so good for his subject.

Yeah universities are weird when it comes to teaching. To teach in a primary/secondary school you have to be qualified. To teach an undergraduate course at university requires literally no professional qualifications (a PhD isn't training you to teach)!

However, many unis are now encouraging (even requiring?) lecturers to undertake the Postgraduate Diploma in Learning and Teaching in Higher Education.

I'm about to start my 30s and considering a career change but not sure where to go. I could become a teacher but it's the complicated bits of language learning that appeal to me. I would love teaching undergraduates but like other commenters it seems to be all about research.

Gold in the canoe !

ydoethur said:

RobD said:

foxinsoxuk said:

I worked in a University Medical School for a while. Research was the only way to progress as an Academic. Teaching Undergraduate Medical Students counted for very little, despite that being the ostensible reason for the institution. Are good researchers also good teachers? Sometimes perhaps but the correlation is poor.

Indeed part of the reason I moved to an NHS post in a University Hospital was that I wanted to teach rather than research.

Fox jr went to UEA rather than a Russell group Uni precisely because the feedback on teaching was so good for his subject.

Yeah universities are weird when it comes to teaching. To teach in a primary/secondary school you have to be qualified. To teach an undergraduate course at university requires literally no professional qualifications (a PhD isn't training you to teach)!

You don't even need the doctorate! I taught with just an MA for two years at one point.

Freggles said:

How did you like academia?

My feelings on it are rather mixed. I like researching, and I like teaching, and I liked the social aspects of travelling and meeting people all over the world and being paid for it. At the same time, I became increasingly disillusioned with the utter pointlessness of a lot of what we were doing to get on in our careers (I think the nadir was a lecturer at Liverpool John Moores who had built a career on looking at how pictures were used in adverts in the 1960s - what use was that to anybody except him?) and I became increasingly frustrated at the huge numbers of students we were expected to take, teach with a light touch and churn out as graduates solely for the sake of the money they brought in. Job insecurity didn't help either. So in the end I left and entered proper teaching.

I don't say that I will never go back to academia. I may do, at some point, if I can. But I do say there will have to be pretty radical changes before it will be a good, rewarding career, and particularly there will need to be some hard thinking on this teaching/research (im)balance.

"I think the nadir was a lecturer at Liverpool John Moores who had built a career on looking at how pictures were used in adverts in the 1960s - what use was that to anybody except him?"

Madmen script writers?

ydoethur said:

RobD said:

foxinsoxuk said:

I worked in a University Medical School for a while. Research was the only way to progress as an Academic. Teaching Undergraduate Medical Students counted for very little, despite that being the ostensible reason for the institution. Are good researchers also good teachers? Sometimes perhaps but the correlation is poor.

Indeed part of the reason I moved to an NHS post in a University Hospital was that I wanted to teach rather than research.

Fox jr went to UEA rather than a Russell group Uni precisely because the feedback on teaching was so good for his subject.

Yeah universities are weird when it comes to teaching. To teach in a primary/secondary school you have to be qualified. To teach an undergraduate course at university requires literally no professional qualifications (a PhD isn't training you to teach)!

You don't even need the doctorate! I taught with just an MA for two years at one point.

Freggles said:

How did you like academia?

My feelings on it are rather mixed. I like researching, and I like teaching, and I liked the social aspects of travelling and meeting people all over the world and being paid for it. At the same time, I became increasingly disillusioned with the utter pointlessness of a lot of what we were doing to get on in our careers (I think the nadir was a lecturer at Liverpool John Moores who had built a career on looking at how pictures were used in adverts in the 1960s - what use was that to anybody except him?) and I became increasingly frustrated at the huge numbers of students we were expected to take, teach with a light touch and churn out as graduates solely for the sake of the money they brought in. Job insecurity didn't help either. So in the end I left and entered proper teaching.

I don't say that I will never go back to academia. I may do, at some point, if I can. But I do say there will have to be pretty radical changes before it will be a good, rewarding career, and particularly there will need to be some hard thinking on this teaching/research (im)balance.

I feel like that already and I'm barely 30

Here's hoping for an job at a research institute where there is a lot less focus on teaching.

rcs1000 said:

Re Trump: did anyone else read this https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/comic-riffs/wp/2016/03/21/donald-trump-will-win-in-a-landslide-the-mind-behind-dilbert-explains-why/

Scott Adams thought McCain would win and endorsed Romney.

welshowl said:

Pulpstar said:

Gold in the canoe !

Our traditional strength area: sitting down sport- boats, bikes, horses.

Fiona Bigwood had a great test in the horse dancing

Onto the women's weightlifting..

surbiton said:

MaxPB said:

surbiton said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Dr. Prasannan, wasn't the ban overturned on appeal? Also, Armitstead doesn't come from a country found to have run state-sponsored doping of athletes.

So missing three [ not one, not two, but three ] tests is OK then ?

One of the missed tests was the fault of UKAD though, that's why CAS ruled in her favour. She also volunteered for a test the following day after they buggered up. Again a reason why CAS ruled in her favour. Even the third missed test was down to UKAD being overly harsh.

But Isinbayeva who never failed a test, either in Russia or abroad , cannot compete.

It would be good if Gatlin wins the gold in 100m.

Don't joke about Gatlin, the USA has a dark history of individual coaches doing this and their sprint team is questionable. Isinbayeva should have had all her other compatriots banned; unless the state doping by Russia is punished by all Olympic sports then these people will continue to divide and rule.

If Armitstead had wilfully missed three tests she should have had a twelve month ban, but she didn't, questions to answer and I hope the details are all laid out in public. Those trying to claim some equivalence between what Russia did and other countries are way off beam. It has some equivalence with China and US sprinting but places like the UK are nowhere near.

Boxing not going well for team GB...5 boxers already out.

Freggles said:

I'm about to start my 30s and considering a career change but not sure where to go. I could become a teacher but it's the complicated bits of language learning that appeal to me. I would love teaching undergraduates but like other commenters it seems to be all about research.

Have you looked at the possibilities within NHS management?

There is a recognition that NHS needs a better training structure and I know people who have been positive on some of these courses:

http://www.leadershipacademy.nhs.uk/programmes/programme-guide-2016/

Frankly the quality of NHS management is pretty poor so it is fairly easy to progress if you have any talent at all! I recently interviewed for a Band 8a General Manager so can vouch for the truth of this.

I

HYUFD said:

MarqueeMark said:

GOLD in the paddling pool...

Jo Clarke in the canoeing I see, well done him!

Both golds for team GB so far are from people who live a few miles apart in Staffordshire: Stone and Uttoxeter.

Freggles said:

I'm about to start my 30s and considering a career change but not sure where to go. I could become a teacher but it's the complicated bits of language learning that appeal to me. I would love teaching undergraduates but like other commenters it seems to be all about research.

If you like languages, then consider Cheltenham.

Scott_P said:

Pulpstar said:

Gold in the canoe !

Sadly not allowed to cheer...

@JohnyHelzapopin: @JohnyHelzapopin Canoe/Kayak all non essential to industry boats are Tory, also cultural appropriation from Native Americans, über Tory

That account has to be a false flag, surely?

Scott_P said:

I understand the Corbynistas are upset with the GMB members poll. It asked a biased question, using the word "electability"

Surely the question should be neutral?

foxinsoxuk said:

ydoethur said:

foxinsoxuk said:

ydoethur said:

foxinsoxuk said:

@ydoerhur

I enjoy teaching (though have a certain scepticism of much modern educationalist theory) and have a post-graduate qualification in medical education. I learn a lot from my students, particularly the postgraduate ones. It keeps me on the ball dealing with intelligent questions. There is some research that shows that medical teachers are better clinicians for this reason. Does the same go in teaching?

I have no idea. My immediate answer however would be that I don't think the situation is comparable. Teachers tend not to mix teaching with other aspects (e.g. medical research) because of the punishing hours involved, although I appreciate that is very true of medicine as well!

I was thinking of teachers who run PGCE courses or supervise placements. Is their evidence that they are better at the coalface teaching themselves?

PGCE course teachers do not do any teaching, as a general rule. I am not sure about those who run school-centred teaching courses, but I would guess nobody has done any research. However, bearing in mind they would only have 1 student and would spend on average 1 hour a week working with them, I doubt it would have much impact.

Medical Postgraduate training is in many ways more like an apprenticeship, rather than a classroom experience. It is often one to one and based around specific skills and tasks. It is particularly satisfying as a result.

Sounds very different from teacher training. Maybe that's why it's very satisfying and teacher training is an absolute shambles.

ydoethur said:

foxinsoxuk said:

ydoethur said:

foxinsoxuk said:

ydoethur said:

foxinsoxuk said:

@ydoerhur

I enjoy teaching (though have a certain scepticism of much modern educationalist theory) and have a post-graduate qualification in medical education. I learn a lot from my students, particularly the postgraduate ones. It keeps me on the ball dealing with intelligent questions. There is some research that shows that medical teachers are better clinicians for this reason. Does the same go in teaching?

I have no idea. My immediate answer however would be that I don't think the situation is comparable. Teachers tend not to mix teaching with other aspects (e.g. medical research) because of the punishing hours involved, although I appreciate that is very true of medicine as well!

I was thinking of teachers who run PGCE courses or supervise placements. Is their evidence that they are better at the coalface teaching themselves?

PGCE course teachers do not do any teaching, as a general rule. I am not sure about those who run school-centred teaching courses, but I would guess nobody has done any research. However, bearing in mind they would only have 1 student and would spend on average 1 hour a week working with them, I doubt it would have much impact.

Medical Postgraduate training is in many ways more like an apprenticeship, rather than a classroom experience. It is often one to one and based around specific skills and tasks. It is particularly satisfying as a result.

Sounds very different from teacher training. Maybe that's why it's very satisfying and teacher training is an absolute shambles.

The educationalists try to wreck it on a regular basis!

JackW said:

Wisconsin - Marquette

Clinton 52 .. Trump 37 - LV
Clinton 46 .. Trump 36 - RV

https://law.marquette.edu/poll/

Obama only won by 7pts. Interesting.

The torrent of stupidity flowing from the Labour Party is reaching dangerous levels

@andrewspoooner: Momentum & Corbynistas are now OPPOSED to minimum threshold turnouts in Trade Union ballots. EXACTLY same as Tories https://t.co/aj3VKfHrzD

foxinsoxuk said:

Freggles said:

I'm about to start my 30s and considering a career change but not sure where to go. I could become a teacher but it's the complicated bits of language learning that appeal to me. I would love teaching undergraduates but like other commenters it seems to be all about research.

Have you looked at the possibilities within NHS management?

There is a recognition that NHS needs a better training structure and I know people who have been positive on some of these courses:

http://www.leadershipacademy.nhs.uk/programmes/programme-guide-2016/

Frankly the quality of NHS management is pretty poor so it is fairly easy to progress if you have any talent at all! I recently interviewed for a Band 8a General Manager so can vouch for the truth of this.

I

Will inbox you

https://twitter.com/mrianleslie/status/763336752203501568

John_M said:

Freggles said:

I'm about to start my 30s and considering a career change but not sure where to go. I could become a teacher but it's the complicated bits of language learning that appeal to me. I would love teaching undergraduates but like other commenters it seems to be all about research.

If you like languages, then consider Cheltenham.

Or try BBC Monitoring at Caversham.

GeoffM said:

Freggles said:

foxinsoxuk said:

Freggles said:

I'm about to start my 30s and considering a career change but not sure where to go. I could become a teacher but it's the complicated bits of language learning that appeal to me. I would love teaching undergraduates but like other commenters it seems to be all about research.

Have you looked at the possibilities within NHS management?

There is a recognition that NHS needs a better training structure and I know people who have been positive on some of these courses:

http://www.leadershipacademy.nhs.uk/programmes/programme-guide-2016/

Frankly the quality of NHS management is pretty poor so it is fairly easy to progress if you have any talent at all! I recently interviewed for a Band 8a General Manager so can vouch for the truth of this.

I

Will inbox you

I would shred your CV just for using that hideous phrase.

Yeah, I've resisted it for some time but it has become ubiquitous on social media.

GeoffM said:

EPG said:

Anyone on PB have kids they told to go into a trade instead of going to university? What was the outcome?

My son Scott was too stupid to go to university but he's getting really well paid now for posting political comments on the internet.

His current contract is with the EU Department Of Eternal Truth and he's making a mint spreading their messages. All he has to do is ignore his own low feelings of self-worth and downplay any residual personal integrity.

LOL.

Just brutal

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/trump-lies/

Fingers crossed in the pool dive bombing ...

SeanT said:

This is a farce at the diving.

Yes, the lack of hay bales on the most dangerous part of the cycling road race to fill in the death trap gutters was quite telling too. This olympics has been piss poor from an organisational viewpoint.

/TSE-mode = on

checks medal table

sees we are 9th

*cries*

realises we are ahead of France

*smiles*

GB back into first in the diving - COME ON!