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Sean_F said:

RoyalBlue said:

Charles said:

RoyalBlue said:

Charles said:

Ishmael_X said:

Charles said:

Moses_ said:

PlatoSaid said:

Charles said:

JosiasJessop said:

Charles said:

And I think @Speedy has consistently called against Trump since ?North Carolina?

Charles, whilst you are on:


So, I apologise for whatever it is I said (*) that may have caused you offence.

If you can remember, please let me know so I can apologise properly ...

(*) Perhaps multiple.

I have no idea!

Probably something to do with a bridge...

Wasn't it the Garden Bridge discussion?

I walk along from Waterloo station to Blackfriars regularly and there are quite a few " No to garden Bridge" posters up. Mostly In the council flats along the riverside. Cost?

Building works impacting the Coin Street Collective I guess.

Benefits are more for the Northbank than the Southbank

Which perfectly encapsulates what is wrong with it. A proper bridge benefits both ends exactly equally, unless it's really a pier. Form follows function.

e regeneration. 6m tourists a year on the bridge will help

It does not need 'regenerating'. As someone who works in the area, it's nice that it is not overrun with camera-clutching tourists.

The money would be much better spent linking North East and South East London with a new crossing.

Might be nice for you. But there are pockets of real poverty in the area. A friend of mine was the vicar of St Mary Le Strand and I was surprised to discover how much work he did with deprived kids.

(And your end of Northbank is the nicer one)

I think people who are worried about poverty in Westminster desperately need to step outside zone 1, let alone the M25.

(Am not questioning your desire to improve the area, just don't think it should be a priority and don't agree with the proposal!)

There's real poverty in Westminster. Like London as a whole, it's a borough of contrasts. The presence of a lot of super-rich people pulls up the figures for average incomes in London to a misleading degree.

Sunil_Prasannan said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Scrapheap_as_was said:

DavidL said:

JackW said:

tlg86 said:

JackW said:

Clinton raises $90M in July, Trump $35.8M :

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/clinton-fundraising-totals-july-2016-226553

What an appalling waste of money.

Only if you lose.

Goldman Sachs usually remove that risk by bribing supporting both sides.

without GS and their cut-backs post 9-11, the grumpy persona that is 'scrapheap' would never have existed - all power to their elbow! Then again I might now be as rich as "creases" (tm)

I've entered my fantasy football league.

Prepare to get spanked like a Dominatrix's client.

Or like the Romans at Cannae 2,232 years ago today?

kle4 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/760567521753849856

I hope there are enough sympathetic formerRemainers and softBrexiteers to win the day, although there's no doubting the HardBrexiteers were always the most motivated.

John_M said:

Can't vouch for the credibility of this story. I've fact checked a couple of the key points. Seem kosher. Just shows how febrile the world is:

http://us11.campaign-archive2.com/?u=781d962e0d3dfabcf455f7eff&id=bd1bc671e5

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Scrapheap_as_was said:

DavidL said:

JackW said:

tlg86 said:

JackW said:

Clinton raises $90M in July, Trump $35.8M :

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/clinton-fundraising-totals-july-2016-226553

What an appalling waste of money.

Only if you lose.

Goldman Sachs usually remove that risk by bribing supporting both sides.

without GS and their cut-backs post 9-11, the grumpy persona that is 'scrapheap' would never have existed - all power to their elbow! Then again I might now be as rich as "creases" (tm)

I've entered my fantasy football league.

Prepare to get spanked like a Dominatrix's client.

Or like the Romans at Cannae 2,232 years ago today?

More like the Greek City state alliance at the Battle of Chaeronea which was 2,354 years ago today.

The Battle of Chaeronea is the only decent battle fought on August the 2nd

ReggieCide said:

kle4 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/760567521753849856

I hope there are enough sympathetic formerRemainers and softBrexiteers to win the day, although there's no doubting the HardBrexiteers were always the most motivated.

I'm sure the City will get a very sympathetic hearing from all of those bastards up north who voted LEAVE

No_Offence_Alan said:

EPG said:

It is foolish to look for too much detail from U.S. state polling yet, but the patterns seem to be: Ohio is very marginal. Nevada and New Hampshire appear marginal. Pennsylvania is not yet marginal, but much better for Trump than would be expected on a UNS. On the other hand, North Carolina is better for Clinton than would be expected and would make up for all but five Pennsylvanian votes. VERY tentatively, Michigan and Colorado do not look as marginal as they ought to be (especially Michigan) but perhaps there's not enough evidence for even that agnostic prediction yet.

There are polls out with Clinton +1 in Utah and level in Georgia.

Sunil_Prasannan said:

ReggieCide said:

kle4 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/760567521753849856

I hope there are enough sympathetic formerRemainers and softBrexiteers to win the day, although there's no doubting the HardBrexiteers were always the most motivated.

I'm sure the City will get a very sympathetic hearing from all of those bastards up north who voted LEAVE

TSE secretly campaigned for LEAVE, is why Sheffield voted for Brexit

TheScreamingEagles said:

TheWhiteRabbit said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

SimonStClare said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

ttps://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/760567521753849856

Who are these ‘Brexit hardliners’ and what are they demanding?

Bernard Jenkins, Liam Fox etc, they want full fat Brexit, so no supremacy of EU law, no freedom of movement etc.

It's "Jenkin" don't you know.

But for a while they are advocating a contradiction, in terms of single market access w/o FoM, they may yet resolve that tension.

I blame auto-correct.

I reckon the big stumbling block is we have to maintain our contribution to the EU budget.

I reckon we'd lose our rebate, and we really would be sending £350m per week to the EU.

TheScreamingEagles said:

SimonStClare said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

ttps://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/760567521753849856

Who are these ‘Brexit hardliners’ and what are they demanding?

Bernard Jenkins, Liam Fox etc, they want full fat Brexit, so no supremacy of EU law, no freedom of movement etc.

DavidL said:

surbiton said:

welshowl said:

surbiton said:

welshowl said:

tlg86 said:

welshowl said:

tlg86 said:

I wonder if tonight's headlines about home ownership will cause some of the MPC to have second thoughts about cutting interest rates? As far as I'm concerned the decision to keep the base rate at 0.5% for over seven years has been incredibly pernicious and cutting it would be quite frankly disgraceful.

Agreed. Who is going to wake up on Friday and say "that 0.25% cut is a real wowser, and I will make that investment I wasn't going to do on Tuesday when they were a ginormous 0.5%". Meanwhile pension deficits balloon and countless millions are poured down that black hole which is largely a construct created by extreme monetary policy and over zealous regulation.

We really really need some inflation to enable interest rates to rise. Time for helicopter money? A Grand for everyone on the electoral role??

The problem is we have had inflation - house price inflation.

Cured by a rise in interest rates of course. Sure some will have negative equity but this fetish for QE and ultra low rates is creating bond and housing bubbles, screwing saving and pensions, depressing investment, and cutting corporate tax take. I think it's utterly fucking nuts and I hope Mark Carney is reading this!!!

TBH, it is not entirely his fault. If we are not careful, we will become like Japan. Every stimulus just fizzles out.

True but it's on his watch and we've been nowhere near 2% for ages So what's he and his mates on the MPC actually doing about it that's effective? I really would try helicopter cash now.

I wrote a few days back, borrow £200-400 billion over various periods. Interest rates suck anyway, and spend on infrastructure, left , right and centre. The economic dividends will be much greater than the £2-4bn interest per year.

That pretty well describes Japan's policy for the last 20 years. It hasn't worked but I must admit that better ideas are thin on the ground.

No_Offence_Alan said:

EPG said:

It is foolish to look for too much detail from U.S. state polling yet, but the patterns seem to be: Ohio is very marginal. Nevada and New Hampshire appear marginal. Pennsylvania is not yet marginal, but much better for Trump than would be expected on a UNS. On the other hand, North Carolina is better for Clinton than would be expected and would make up for all but five Pennsylvanian votes. VERY tentatively, Michigan and Colorado do not look as marginal as they ought to be (especially Michigan) but perhaps there's not enough evidence for even that agnostic prediction yet.

There are polls out with Clinton +1 in Utah and level in Georgia.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

SimonStClare said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

ttps://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/760567521753849856

Who are these ‘Brexit hardliners’ and what are they demanding?

Bernard Jenkins, Liam Fox etc, they want full fat Brexit, so no supremacy of EU law, no freedom of movement etc.

Even a basic Brexit worth its salt should do the former with the repeal of the 1972 European Communities Act.

The real question will be what level of immigration control we get.

I suspect we'll ask and hopefully get a modified freedom of movement principle.

You can only come to the UK if you have a guaranteed job with a salary above a certain de minimis

DavidL said:

What the City will want on financial services is legal equivalence so that operators in the City will still be able to sell their services across the EU under a single passport arrangement. This will require the regulators in the UK to provide the same form and level of supervision that they do at the moment and an undertaking to comply with any changes introduced in the rest of the EU going forward. Whether we are in or out of the EU doesn't really matter, what does matter is being able to trade across boundaries.

Is this achievable? I think it is a very big ask. But the EU will have to recognise that if the City is not inside the tent it will be outside and there is a major risk that a great deal of their more sophisticated and high end trade would effectively go offshore and beyond their control. There is simply nowhere in the EU that is even close to the liquidity, skill base and flexibility of the City and it would take a long time to recreate it. This threatens a significant trading disadvantage to their industry if they were denied these services. We do have cards to play.

MontyHall said:

So what if the city wants to be able to recruit skilled migrants? The motivation of many leavers was the uncontrolled immigration of unskilled migrants, not the ability of those who are after highly paid jobs in the financial sector to work there.

Can't see how it's a collision course at all

MaxPB said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

SimonStClare said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

ttps://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/760567521753849856

Who are these ‘Brexit hardliners’ and what are they demanding?

Bernard Jenkins, Liam Fox etc, they want full fat Brexit, so no supremacy of EU law, no freedom of movement etc.

Even a basic Brexit worth its salt should do the former with the repeal of the 1972 European Communities Act.

The real question will be what level of immigration control we get.

I suspect we'll ask and hopefully get a modified freedom of movement principle.

You can only come to the UK if you have a guaranteed job with a salary above a certain de minimis

I doubt we'd get a minimum salary requirement, I think we're more likely to get an extension on waiting days and as you say, migration linked to working status rather than being available to work. A minimum salary requirement would basically kill free movement across the whole bloc.

FrancisUrquhart said:

Tomorrows bbc lead story...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/02/child-refugees-calais-failed-by-britain

And of course no consideration of why France shouldn't be doing more nor why they haven't claimed asylum there. All nasty Britain's fault & failing.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

SimonStClare said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

ttps://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/760567521753849856

Who are these ‘Brexit hardliners’ and what are they demanding?

Bernard Jenkins, Liam Fox etc, they want full fat Brexit, so no supremacy of EU law, no freedom of movement etc.

Even a basic Brexit worth its salt should do the former with the repeal of the 1972 European Communities Act.

The real question will be what level of immigration control we get.

I suspect we'll ask and hopefully get a modified freedom of movement principle.

You can only come to the UK if you have a guaranteed job with a salary above a certain de minimis

foxinsoxuk said:

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

SimonStClare said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

ttps://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/760567521753849856

Who are these ‘Brexit hardliners’ and what are they demanding?

Bernard Jenkins, Liam Fox etc, they want full fat Brexit, so no supremacy of EU law, no freedom of movement etc.

Even a basic Brexit worth its salt should do the former with the repeal of the 1972 European Communities Act.

The real question will be what level of immigration control we get.

I suspect we'll ask and hopefully get a modified freedom of movement principle.

You can only come to the UK if you have a guaranteed job with a salary above a certain de minimis

I think you may well be proved to be right.

Politically, all May needs to do is demonstrate a fall in numbers. She knows this and will calculate the most politically sustainable way she can do it.

Historically May has a pretty poor record on reducing the numbers under her control.

When the backlash starts it will be popcorn time.

FrancisUrquhart said:

Moses_ said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Tomorrows bbc lead story...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/02/child-refugees-calais-failed-by-britain

And of course no consideration of why France shouldn't be doing more nor why they haven't claimed asylum there. All nasty Britain's fault & failing.

I truly am concerned about these children I really am who would not be.

Meanwhile As soon as we give them sanctuary then the rest of the family will follow claiming right to family life etc etc and the EU will enforce that on us. Yes they will of course they will. They seem completely blind to the French treatment of these people yet if we so much as say we prefer they don't come her the we are " little Englanders"

On the other hand let's think about this ....how many other safe countries have they passed through even to get to France let alone pass through France to Calais unchallenged. Who else is doing this? Who else that pose a threat to us. Why is it pur problem? It really is the EU and the French that are letting them in and the French spraying the tear gas as such it's a French problem. They allowed them across their borders it's for them to deal with it. The French should give these children sanctuary and protection and in the interim may I suggest they make a formal complaint to Merkel.

In the meantime yet again the Channel protects us from this EU folly

There is another crucial bit of info in the guardian article that while they highlight 4 young children (one of which looks a lot of older than give age) even they admit the vast bulk are actually much older...which we know what that means.

FrancisUrquhart said:

MontyHall said:

So what if the city wants to be able to recruit skilled migrants? The motivation of many leavers was the uncontrolled immigration of unskilled migrants, not the ability of those who are after highly paid jobs in the financial sector to work there.

Can't see how it's a collision course at all

MontyHall said:

So what if the city wants to be able to recruit skilled migrants? The motivation of many leavers was the uncontrolled immigration of unskilled migrants, not the ability of those who are after highly paid jobs in the financial sector to work there.

Can't see how it's a collision course at all

Very disappointed in your post ...

It should have read there are two low skilled & one high skilled workers behind 3 doors...

foxinsoxuk said:

Casino_Royale said:

foxinsoxuk said:

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

SimonStClare said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

ttps://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/760567521753849856

Who are these ‘Brexit hardliners’ and what are they demanding?

Bernard Jenkins, Liam Fox etc, they want full fat Brexit, so no supremacy of EU law, no freedom of movement etc.

Even a basic Brexit worth its salt should do the former with the repeal of the 1972 European Communities Act.

The real question will be what level of immigration control we get.

I suspect we'll ask and hopefully get a modified freedom of movement principle.

You can only come to the UK if you have a guaranteed job with a salary above a certain de minimis

I think you may well be proved to be right.

Politically, all May needs to do is demonstrate a fall in numbers. She knows this and will calculate the most politically sustainable way she can do it.

Historically May has a pretty poor record on reducing the numbers under her control.

When the backlash starts it will be popcorn time.

But for May's reforms the non-EU numbers and net migration figures would be even higher.

The problem remaining with non-EU migration is "students" and family reunions. Those seeking work are now fairly well controlled.

Yeah. Sure.

The numbers are not coming down. May will have to suck it up.

Theresa May is like Gordon Brown without the charm.

Jonathan said:

bigjohnowls said:

BudG said:

Scott_P said:

@iMcKenzied: If nothing else persuades you Corbyn's not up to the job them this will or you are beyond redemption. https://t.co/d6pDcINO7c

I think the Guardian is running out of dirt on Jeremy. They printed the same revelations from this MP two weeks ago.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/18/jeremy-corbyn-labour-mp-had-to-wait-six-weeks-to-find-she-did-not-have-shadow-cabinet-role

Guardian is finished. So many people giving up their long held subscriptions over Anti-Corbyn bias.

Will soon be giving up on reality subscription because of its anti-Corbyn bias.

RoyalBlue said:

Charles said:

RoyalBlue said:

Charles said:

Ishmael_X said:

Charles said:

Moses_ said:

PlatoSaid said:

Charles said:

JosiasJessop said:

Charles said:

And I think @Speedy has consistently called against Trump since ?North Carolina?

Charles, whilst you are on:

This is rather embarrassing, but I have a post-it note with a message to myself to apologise to you on it. Unfortunately I did not note, and cannot remember, what I'm meant to be apologising for. A quick browse through my last few posts has shown nothing apparently relevant.

So, I apologise for whatever it is I said (*) that may have caused you offence.

If you can remember, please let me know so I can apologise properly ...

(*) Perhaps multiple.

I have no idea!

Probably something to do with a bridge...

Wasn't it the Garden Bridge discussion?

I walk along from Waterloo station to Blackfriars regularly and there are quite a few " No to garden Bridge" posters up. Mostly In the council flats along the riverside. Cost?

Building works impacting the Coin Street Collective I guess.

Benefits are more for the Northbank than the Southbank

Which perfectly encapsulates what is wrong with it. A proper bridge benefits both ends exactly equally, unless it's really a pier. Form follows function.

Not really. Southbank is already well developed from a lot of investment. Northbank is marooned between Waterloo and Blackfriars bridges & the Strand & needs a way to drive regeneration. 6m tourists a year on the bridge will help

It does not need 'regenerating'. As someone who works in the area, it's nice that it is not overrun with camera-clutching tourists.

The money would be much better spent linking North East and South East London with a new crossing.

Might be nice for you. But there are pockets of real poverty in the area. A friend of mine was the vicar of St Mary Le Strand and I was surprised to discover how much work he did with deprived kids.

(And your end of Northbank is the nicer one)

I think people who are worried about poverty in Westminster desperately need to step outside zone 1, let alone the M25.

(Am not questioning your desire to improve the area, just don't think it should be a priority and don't agree with the proposal!)

Jonathan said:

rottenborough said:

Jonathan said:

bigjohnowls said:

BudG said:

Scott_P said:

@iMcKenzied: If nothing else persuades you Corbyn's not up to the job them this will or you are beyond redemption. https://t.co/d6pDcINO7c

I think the Guardian is running out of dirt on Jeremy. They printed the same revelations from this MP two weeks ago.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/18/jeremy-corbyn-labour-mp-had-to-wait-six-weeks-to-find-she-did-not-have-shadow-cabinet-role

Guardian is finished. So many people giving up their long held subscriptions over Anti-Corbyn bias.

Will soon be giving up on reality subscription because of its anti-Corbyn bias.

If the Guardian does have an anti-Corbyn bias then it is doing the centre-left a massive favour. He is an utter disaster.

He isn't an utter disaster. He is redefining politics and ushering in a new era of inspirational integrity. He leads in a way tired convention simply cannot comprehend.

foxinsoxuk said:

Jonathan said:

rottenborough said:

Jonathan said:

bigjohnowls said:

BudG said:

Scott_P said:

@iMcKenzied: If nothing else persuades you Corbyn's not up to the job them this will or you are beyond redemption. https://t.co/d6pDcINO7c

I think the Guardian is running out of dirt on Jeremy. They printed the same revelations from this MP two weeks ago.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/18/jeremy-corbyn-labour-mp-had-to-wait-six-weeks-to-find-she-did-not-have-shadow-cabinet-role

Guardian is finished. So many people giving up their long held subscriptions over Anti-Corbyn bias.

Will soon be giving up on reality subscription because of its anti-Corbyn bias.

If the Guardian does have an anti-Corbyn bias then it is doing the centre-left a massive favour. He is an utter disaster.

He isn't an utter disaster. He is redefining politics and ushering in a new era of inspirational integrity. He leads in a way tired convention simply cannot comprehend.

He gives a good keynote speech at a rally or protest. Pretty crap at everything else. Looking forward to see him at the conference.

Jonathan said:

rottenborough said:

Jonathan said:

bigjohnowls said:

BudG said:

Scott_P said:

@iMcKenzied: If nothing else persuades you Corbyn's not up to the job them this will or you are beyond redemption. https://t.co/d6pDcINO7c

I think the Guardian is running out of dirt on Jeremy. They printed the same revelations from this MP two weeks ago.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/18/jeremy-corbyn-labour-mp-had-to-wait-six-weeks-to-find-she-did-not-have-shadow-cabinet-role

Guardian is finished. So many people giving up their long held subscriptions over Anti-Corbyn bias.

Will soon be giving up on reality subscription because of its anti-Corbyn bias.

If the Guardian does have an anti-Corbyn bias then it is doing the centre-left a massive favour. He is an utter disaster.

He isn't an utter disaster. He is redefining politics and ushering in a new era of inspirational integrity. He leads in a way tired convention simply cannot comprehend.

Moses_ said:

Jonathan said:

rottenborough said:

Jonathan said:

bigjohnowls said:

BudG said:

Scott_P said:

@iMcKenzied: If nothing else persuades you Corbyn's not up to the job them this will or you are beyond redemption. https://t.co/d6pDcINO7c

I think the Guardian is running out of dirt on Jeremy. They printed the same revelations from this MP two weeks ago.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/18/jeremy-corbyn-labour-mp-had-to-wait-six-weeks-to-find-she-did-not-have-shadow-cabinet-role

Guardian is finished. So many people giving up their long held subscriptions over Anti-Corbyn bias.

Will soon be giving up on reality subscription because of its anti-Corbyn bias.

If the Guardian does have an anti-Corbyn bias then it is doing the centre-left a massive favour. He is an utter disaster.

He isn't an utter disaster. He is redefining politics and ushering in a new era of inspirational integrity. He leads in a way tired convention simply cannot comprehend.

thump!!

*Thats the Sound of many foreheads hitting desk in front of them*

Ye gods...you guys really really have given up on political reality haven't you? Never ever thought I would see this in my lifetime though I am not sad in the slightest.

This is quite simply ........Labourkaze

Jonathan said:

Moses_ said:

Jonathan said:

rottenborough said:

Jonathan said:

bigjohnowls said:

BudG said:

Scott_P said:

@iMcKenzied: If nothing else persuades you Corbyn's not up to the job them this will or you are beyond redemption. https://t.co/d6pDcINO7c

I think the Guardian is running out of dirt on Jeremy. They printed the same revelations from this MP two weeks ago.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/18/jeremy-corbyn-labour-mp-had-to-wait-six-weeks-to-find-she-did-not-have-shadow-cabinet-role

Guardian is finished. So many people giving up their long held subscriptions over Anti-Corbyn bias.

Will soon be giving up on reality subscription because of its anti-Corbyn bias.

If the Guardian does have an anti-Corbyn bias then it is doing the centre-left a massive favour. He is an utter disaster.

He isn't an utter disaster. He is redefining politics and ushering in a new era of inspirational integrity. He leads in a way tired convention simply cannot comprehend.

thump!!

*Thats the Sound of many foreheads hitting desk in front of them*

Ye gods...you guys really really have given up on political reality haven't you? Never ever thought I would see this in my lifetime though I am not sad in the slightest.

This is quite simply ........Labourkaze

Every now and again a politician comes along that changes everything. Lincoln, Gandhi, Mandela, Clegg.

They appear so infrequently you don't recognise them at first. Corbyn is a such a man. Gentle, but profound. Politics will never be the same.

Charles said:

Jonathan said:

Moses_ said:

Jonathan said:

rottenborough said:

Jonathan said:

bigjohnowls said:

BudG said:

Scott_P said:

@iMcKenzied: If nothing else persuades you Corbyn's not up to the job them this will or you are beyond redemption. https://t.co/d6pDcINO7c

I think the Guardian is running out of dirt on Jeremy. They printed the same revelations from this MP two weeks ago.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/18/jeremy-corbyn-labour-mp-had-to-wait-six-weeks-to-find-she-did-not-have-shadow-cabinet-role

Guardian is finished. So many people giving up their long held subscriptions over Anti-Corbyn bias.

Will soon be giving up on reality subscription because of its anti-Corbyn bias.

If the Guardian does have an anti-Corbyn bias then it is doing the centre-left a massive favour. He is an utter disaster.

He isn't an utter disaster. He is redefining politics and ushering in a new era of inspirational integrity. He leads in a way tired convention simply cannot comprehend.

thump!!

*Thats the Sound of many foreheads hitting desk in front of them*

Ye gods...you guys really really have given up on political reality haven't you? Never ever thought I would see this in my lifetime though I am not sad in the slightest.

This is quite simply ........Labourkaze

Every now and again a politician comes along that changes everything. Lincoln, Gandhi, Mandela, Clegg.

They appear so infrequently you don't recognise them at first. Corbyn is a such a man. Gentle, but profound. Politics will never be the same.

I don't think the Warmonger Lincoln belongs in the same glorious list as the others

ReggieCide said:

Charles said:

Jonathan said:

Moses_ said:

Jonathan said:

rottenborough said:

Jonathan said:

bigjohnowls said:

BudG said:

Scott_P said:

@iMcKenzied: If nothing else persuades you Corbyn's not up to the job them this will or you are beyond redemption. https://t.co/d6pDcINO7c

I think the Guardian is running out of dirt on Jeremy. They printed the same revelations from this MP two weeks ago.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/18/jeremy-corbyn-labour-mp-had-to-wait-six-weeks-to-find-she-did-not-have-shadow-cabinet-role

Guardian is finished. So many people giving up their long held subscriptions over Anti-Corbyn bias.

Will soon be giving up on reality subscription because of its anti-Corbyn bias.

If the Guardian does have an anti-Corbyn bias then it is doing the centre-left a massive favour. He is an utter disaster.

He isn't an utter disaster. He is redefining politics and ushering in a new era of inspirational integrity. He leads in a way tired convention simply cannot comprehend.

thump!!

*Thats the Sound of many foreheads hitting desk in front of them*

Ye gods...you guys really really have given up on political reality haven't you? Never ever thought I would see this in my lifetime though I am not sad in the slightest.

This is quite simply ........Labourkaze

Every now and again a politician comes along that changes everything. Lincoln, Gandhi, Mandela, Clegg.

They appear so infrequently you don't recognise them at first. Corbyn is a such a man. Gentle, but profound. Politics will never be the same.

I don't think the Warmonger Lincoln belongs in the same glorious list as the others

I think the inclusion of Clegg deliberately gives the game away. I doubt even a devout Corbynista would think Clegg's name will be writ large in history, unless he knows for sure that Clegg's got the Edstone.

Charles said:

ReggieCide said:

Charles said:

Jonathan said:

Moses_ said:

Jonathan said:

rottenborough said:

Jonathan said:

bigjohnowls said:

BudG said:

Scott_P said:

@iMcKenzied: If nothing else persuades you Corbyn's not up to the job them this will or you are beyond redemption. https://t.co/d6pDcINO7c

I think the Guardian is running out of dirt on Jeremy. They printed the same revelations from this MP two weeks ago.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/18/jeremy-corbyn-labour-mp-had-to-wait-six-weeks-to-find-she-did-not-have-shadow-cabinet-role

Guardian is finished. So many people giving up their long held subscriptions over Anti-Corbyn bias.

Will soon be giving up on reality subscription because of its anti-Corbyn bias.

If the Guardian does have an anti-Corbyn bias then it is doing the centre-left a massive favour. He is an utter disaster.

He isn't an utter disaster. He is redefining politics and ushering in a new era of inspirational integrity. He leads in a way tired convention simply cannot comprehend.

thump!!

*Thats the Sound of many foreheads hitting desk in front of them*

Ye gods...you guys really really have given up on political reality haven't you? Never ever thought I would see this in my lifetime though I am not sad in the slightest.

This is quite simply ........Labourkaze

Every now and again a politician comes along that changes everything. Lincoln, Gandhi, Mandela, Clegg.

They appear so infrequently you don't recognise them at first. Corbyn is a such a man. Gentle, but profound. Politics will never be the same.

I don't think the Warmonger Lincoln belongs in the same glorious list as the others

I think the inclusion of Clegg deliberately gives the game away. I doubt even a devout Corbynista would think Clegg's name will be writ large in history, unless he knows for sure that Clegg's got the Edstone.

I do hope you realised my description of Lincoln as a Warmonger was tongue in cheek...

John_M said:

It's almost funny to see how Corbyn and Trump are immune to all the usual political slings and arrows. Both should have been toast long ago.

Weirdest political landscape of my lifetime.

kle4 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/760567521753849856

I hope there are enough sympathetic formerRemainers and softBrexiteers to win the day, although there's no doubting the HardBrexiteers were always the most motivated.

scotslass said:

So let us get this right. Dave's list is so dodgy that even his doners and cronies want to withdraw before they get the gong!!! Cameron's reputation is is tatters.

Jonathan said:

Moses_ said:

Jonathan said:

rottenborough said:

Jonathan said:

bigjohnowls said:

BudG said:

Scott_P said:

@iMcKenzied: If nothing else persuades you Corbyn's not up to the job them this will or you are beyond redemption. https://t.co/d6pDcINO7c

I think the Guardian is running out of dirt on Jeremy. They printed the same revelations from this MP two weeks ago.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/18/jeremy-corbyn-labour-mp-had-to-wait-six-weeks-to-find-she-did-not-have-shadow-cabinet-role

Guardian is finished. So many people giving up their long held subscriptions over Anti-Corbyn bias.

Will soon be giving up on reality subscription because of its anti-Corbyn bias.

If the Guardian does have an anti-Corbyn bias then it is doing the centre-left a massive favour. He is an utter disaster.

He isn't an utter disaster. He is redefining politics and ushering in a new era of inspirational integrity. He leads in a way tired convention simply cannot comprehend.

thump!!

*Thats the Sound of many foreheads hitting desk in front of them*

Ye gods...you guys really really have given up on political reality haven't you? Never ever thought I would see this in my lifetime though I am not sad in the slightest.

This is quite simply ........Labourkaze

Every now and again a politician comes along that changes everything. Lincoln, Gandhi, Mandela, Clegg.

They appear so infrequently you don't recognise them at first. Corbyn is a such a man. Gentle, but profound. Politics will never be the same.

john_zims said:

@HYUFD


'The City holds the purse strings so in the end what they say will go regardless of what HardBrexiteers may want, some access to the single market in return for free movement with some controls is the almost inevitable outcome of Brexit'


You seriously believe we go to the trouble of having a referendum which results in a Leave vote only to end up with basically the same arrangements as before ???

Moses_ said:

Jonathan said:

Moses_ said:

Jonathan said:

rottenborough said:

Jonathan said:

bigjohnowls said:

BudG said:

Scott_P said:

@iMcKenzied: If nothing else persuades you Corbyn's not up to the job them this will or you are beyond redemption. https://t.co/d6pDcINO7c

I think the Guardian is running out of dirt on Jeremy. They printed the same revelations from this MP two weeks ago.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/18/jeremy-corbyn-labour-mp-had-to-wait-six-weeks-to-find-she-did-not-have-shadow-cabinet-role

Guardian is finished. So many people giving up their long held subscriptions over Anti-Corbyn bias.

Will soon be giving up on reality subscription because of its anti-Corbyn bias.

If the Guardian does have an anti-Corbyn bias then it is doing the centre-left a massive favour. He is an utter disaster.

He isn't an utter disaster. He is redefining politics and ushering in a new era of inspirational integrity. He leads in a way tired convention simply cannot comprehend.

thump!!

*Thats the Sound of many foreheads hitting desk in front of them*

Ye gods...you guys really really have given up on political reality haven't you? Never ever thought I would see this in my lifetime though I am not sad in the slightest.

This is quite simply ........Labourkaze

Every now and again a politician comes along that changes everything. Lincoln, Gandhi, Mandela, Clegg.

They appear so infrequently you don't recognise them at first. Corbyn is a such a man. Gentle, but profound. Politics will never be the same.

Let me get this completely and absolutely correct so I have not misinterpreted awhat you have just posted there.......

You are now, on this PB forum, formally placing Nick Clegg and Jetemy Corbyn on the same level as Lincoln , Ghandi and Mandela.

(Lincoln? Mmm...)

Clegg spoof

Fine, great, super........

WTF?

Dromedary said:

"If Britain leaves the EU"

Said twice on the radio today by Dominic Grieve, chairman of the Intelligence and Security Committee.

nunu said:

Moses_ said:

Jonathan said:

Moses_ said:

Jonathan said:

rottenborough said:

Jonathan said:

bigjohnowls said:

BudG said:

Scott_P said:

@iMcKenzied: If nothing else persuades you Corbyn's not up to the job them this will or you are beyond redemption. https://t.co/d6pDcINO7c

I think the Guardian is running out of dirt on Jeremy. They printed the same revelations from this MP two weeks ago.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/18/jeremy-corbyn-labour-mp-had-to-wait-six-weeks-to-find-she-did-not-have-shadow-cabinet-role

Guardian is finished. So many people giving up their long held subscriptions over Anti-Corbyn bias.

Will soon be giving up on reality subscription because of its anti-Corbyn bias.

If the Guardian does have an anti-Corbyn bias then it is doing the centre-left a massive favour. He is an utter disaster.

He isn't an utter disaster. He is redefining politics and ushering in a new era of inspirational integrity. He leads in a way tired convention simply cannot comprehend.

thump!!

*Thats the Sound of many foreheads hitting desk in front of them*

Ye gods...you guys really really have given up on political reality haven't you? Never ever thought I would see this in my lifetime though I am not sad in the slightest.

This is quite simply ........Labourkaze

Every now and again a politician comes along that changes everything. Lincoln, Gandhi, Mandela, Clegg.

They appear so infrequently you don't recognise them at first. Corbyn is a such a man. Gentle, but profound. Politics will never be the same.

Let me get this completely and absolutely correct so I have not misinterpreted awhat you have just posted there.......

You are now, on this PB forum, formally placing Nick Clegg and Jetemy Corbyn on the same level as Lincoln , Ghandi and Mandela.

(Lincoln? Mmm...)

Clegg spoof

Fine, great, super........

WTF?

To be fair I think history will judge Clegg kinder than most do now, he could have sat on the sidelines instead he joined a coalition he knew would cost his party but was in the national intresests.

williamglenn said:

CarlottaVance said:

Dromedary said:

"If Britain leaves the EU"

Said twice on the radio today by Dominic Grieve, chairman of the Intelligence and Security Committee.

'Brexit means Brexit'

Said multiple times by Theresa May, Prime Minister......

'Britain is leaving the EU' in the same sense that Sweden is joining the Euro? Perhaps...

CarlottaVance said:

I see Trump's KFC venture has gone terribly well:

The slogan isn't "utensil lickin' good" for a reason.

While out on the campaign trail, Donald Trump posted a photo on Twitter Monday evening that's prompting questions about his eating habits.

In the photo, Trump appears prepared to dig into a bucket of KFC fried chicken, mashed potatoes and gravy — but he won't be getting his hands on that chicken. He's using a knife and fork.

Many users commented on how the photo was an obvious ploy to appear more relatable, but that it clearly backfired

http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/donald-trump-kfc-1.3703796

DecrepitJohnL said:

CarlottaVance said:

I see Trump's KFC venture has gone terribly well:

The slogan isn't "utensil lickin' good" for a reason.

While out on the campaign trail, Donald Trump posted a photo on Twitter Monday evening that's prompting questions about his eating habits.

In the photo, Trump appears prepared to dig into a bucket of KFC fried chicken, mashed potatoes and gravy — but he won't be getting his hands on that chicken. He's using a knife and fork.

Many users commented on how the photo was an obvious ploy to appear more relatable, but that it clearly backfired

http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/donald-trump-kfc-1.3703796

More interesting was Warren Buffett's criticism of Trump's financial acumen. It may be the Democrats are taking the Rovian route of attacking their opponent's greatest strengths.

Charles said:

JosiasJessop said:

Charles said:

TFL have said £30m needs to be spent on redeveloping Temple Tube. I'm going to take them at their word. The incremental cost of a slightly stronger roof is marginal.

the HMT contribution is forgone VAT. If the Garden Bridge doesn't happen then they don't get the money to spend elsewhere.

Prestige buildings are usually "imposed" by some visionary or other. Things designed by consensus are rarely interesting.

The "practical purpose" is to provide a public green space in central London. It does that well.

"The incremental cost of a slightly stronger roof is marginal."

I must say, that does make me LOL. Increase the strength (and therefore weight) of a roof, and you usually need a stronger support structure, and they need stronger foundations. The last place you want to add weight is the roof.

If TfL are spending £30 million on the tube, then surely that should not be counted as part of the bridge's budget?

And when it comes to the maintenance costs, it looks like Boris agreed to underwrite those costs,

"The "practical purpose" is to provide a public green space in central London. It does that well."

No, it really does not, and particularly not at £175m.

The £30m is budgeted to be spend on redeveloping Temple Tube *anyway*. It is included in the Bridge budget as part of the public contribution. My point was that terminating the bridge will save minimal amount of public money.