I think I'm right in saying that Owen Smith was the Labour candidate in the Blaenau Gwent by election in 2006. He lost to Independent Dai Davies, Peter Law's agent.
He also turned Pontypridd from a rock-solid Labour seat into a marginal in 2010.
And despite the complete Lib Dem collapse in 2015 he only added around 1000 votes.
The Valleys people know when to spot a charlatan when they see one.
The choice for sensible Labour is to fight or to become extinct. Only one option has a chance of political survival.
Presently Labour are irrelevant, made so by their own stupidity, incompetence and stubborn refusal to face reality.
1. The Jezzbollah want Corbyn and they don't care. 2. The PLP want Corbyn out but lack membership support to effect change. 3. Labour voters watch the sorry mess with incredulity. 4. Swing voters are repelled by Labour 5. Nick Palmer doesn't know whether he's Arthur or Martha.
Yes but we now have a Remainer leading the country, so the EU may be a bit more amenable
And she can conduct negotiations on the basis of "I didn't want this any more than you do, but we are where we are".
I'm optimistic of a soft landing for the first time since the vote. As I put it this morning I voted remain, but now I'm a belEEAver, and I suspect that position is quite widespread.
I am one of the rare true europhile/support the idea of ever closer union types - but as it's clear the UK is on a ever diverging path from the rest of the EU, I think an EEA type solution is the best option we have left, and we should go for it - no second votes or parliament blockages of brexit. The EEA option is not perfect, but it is a good compromise all round. If May can deliver a successful brexit-lite then she may put the europe question to bed. I'm no tory but am mildly optimistic for the first time since June 23rd.
Corbyn is Jar Jar Binks supported by the clone army.
Labour are Jawas. Purveyors of outdated scrap, inhabiting a dusty wasteland and who have a tendency to run around like headless chickens at the first sign of trouble, before getting shot in the back.
The Labour war might be solved rather quick than we imagine. NEC vote that Corbyn is off ballot without 51. He resigns. Can't even get the 38 needed in that case. Starts legal proceedings - gets nowhere as a court will rule that NEC is final decider of these matters.
Twitter breaks under the strain of howling Momentum (although bear in mind most of them will be away InterRailing in August) and goes off-line for a week. Deselections start in some local parties.
But, Party bigwigs and union bosses decide on a caretaker from Eagle or Owen, or maybe Benn or even Johnson or Lord Kinnock, anyone to get them through next 12 months. No election as only one candidate can meet the 38 MPs target. Crucially they take control of the branding again.
Corbyn forms own party - Momentum. Starts polling about 5%.
@RobD said in previous thread: A deal in under five months? Interesting!
The deal is already there. We leave the EU and join EFTA/EEA. Not exactly difficult to draft that.
All that has to be decided is what concessions on free movement they will agree and how much Danegeld (in membership fees higher per capita than Norway) that - they will demand/we are prepared to pay - in return.
Dosen't really take that long to agree principles behind closed doors then, after December or whenever, hold a few summits to thrash out the last details and play brinkmanship over the fees/free movement and everyone emerges triumphant into the sunlight.
We get some bells and whistles on free movement stopping people coming over here to take un/low skilled work that isn't viable without housing benefit/tax credits/free NHS (unless their own country offers similar levels which exempts France Germany etc.) they still get much of our contribution which they can ill afford to lose and six months later then France and Germany see to it that EU will implement same free movement restrictions throughout the EU (without any reduction in payments by us of course which become our EFTA "Barnet Formula").
We leave, set up our own trade deals outside the EU, carry on in EFTA and see what happens for a few years. If, in a decade or so EU is a much smaller portion of our trade, we have healthy agriculture, our seas are full of fish because we have replaced CAP/CFP with our own rules, we start handbagging for contribution reductions in the same way as Thatcher got our rebate. The won't want to lose all our contributions if they say no and we leave so will cave in.
Job done.
Actually, Paul, EFTA is quite good at doing trade deals. They have perfectly serviceable ones with Canada, the GCC, etc.
Even if we did decide to leave the EEA later, there's no reason to leave EFTA.
Ah - so I see. (read up). We would be mad ever to leave EFTA. EEA is the more awkward and the one that has free movement /financial services passporting issues.
At the moment we can't afford to leave EEA. Maybe in the future, but now would be too much far too soon.
@RobD said in previous thread: A deal in under five months? Interesting!
The deal is already there. We leave the EU and join EFTA/EEA. Not exactly difficult to draft that.
All that has to be decided is what concessions on free movement they will agree and how much Danegeld (in membership fees higher per capita than Norway) that - they will demand/we are prepared to pay - in return.
Dosen't really take that long to agree principles behind closed doors then, after December or whenever, hold a few summits to thrash out the last details and play brinkmanship over the fees/free movement and everyone emerges triumphant into the sunlight.
We get some bells and whistles on free movement stopping people coming over here to take un/low skilled work that isn't viable without housing benefit/tax credits/free NHS (unless their own country offers similar levels which exempts France Germany etc.) they still get much of our contribution which they can ill afford to lose and six months later then France and Germany see to it that EU will implement same free movement restrictions throughout the EU (without any reduction in payments by us of course which become our EFTA "Barnet Formula").
We leave, set up our own trade deals outside the EU, carry on in EFTA and see what happens for a few years. If, in a decade or so EU is a much smaller portion of our trade, we have healthy agriculture, our seas are full of fish because we have replaced CAP/CFP with our own rules, we start handbagging for contribution reductions in the same way as Thatcher got our rebate. The won't want to lose all our contributions if they say no and we leave so will cave in.
Job done.
Actually, Paul, EFTA is quite good at doing trade deals. They have perfectly serviceable ones with Canada, the GCC, etc.
Even if we did decide to leave the EEA later, there's no reason to leave EFTA.
Anyone from the BBC here? ......Is Peston here......? .....anyone? ....... At all?
Stupid move to split the unity vote and allow a second round and possible transfers from either of the unity candidates to Corbyn. Now it just looks like unprofessional infighting and squabbling between two people who just want to be leader rather than regicide.
The fact that Eagle and Smith couldn't come to an agreement says it all.
Wasn't Eagle meant to be the stalking donkey though to bring the more formidable contenders into the race?
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The Labour war might be solved rather quick than we imagine. NEC vote that Corbyn is off ballot without 51. He resigns. Can't even get the 38 needed in that case. Starts legal proceedings - gets nowhere as a court will rule that NEC is final decider of these matters.
Twitter breaks under the strain of howling Momentum (although bear in mind most of them will be away InterRailing in August) and goes off-line for a week. Deselections start in some local parties.
But, Party bigwigs and union bosses decide on a caretaker from Eagle or Owen, or maybe Benn or even Johnson or Lord Kinnock, anyone to get them through next 12 months. No election as only one candidate can meet the 38 MPs target. Crucially they take control of the branding again.
Corbyn forms own party - Momentum. Starts polling about 5%.
Rachel Johnson @RachelSJohnson 14m14 minutes ago Dear @jonsnowC4 you know I love you and @Channel4News but I will say this just once. Never introduce me as sister of Boris again. Thank you
"I'm here now with Rachel, sister of Jo Johnson..."
Ben Riley Smith Labour NEC member compares Corbyn to Kim Jong-il over refusal to get nominations. "You can’t have people elected for life.”
It's not elected for life. It's just avoiding the boring hassling MPs for nominations bit, after all there are allotment and appreciation group meetings to attend while the MPs plot (badly) in various backrooms.... After all nominations are for other people....
Let's just say they don't put Corby on the ballot and elect someone else. Can you just imagine the punch up that would ensue for the front bench seat when Corbyn refused to move. The shenanigans of the Beasty of Bolsover would be a kiddies picnic in comparison.
The Labour war might be solved rather quick than we imagine. NEC vote that Corbyn is off ballot without 51. He resigns. Can't even get the 38 needed in that case. Starts legal proceedings - gets nowhere as a court will rule that NEC is final decider of these matters.
Twitter breaks under the strain of howling Momentum (although bear in mind most of them will be away InterRailing in August) and goes off-line for a week. Deselections start in some local parties.
But, Party bigwigs and union bosses decide on a caretaker from Eagle or Owen, or maybe Benn or even Johnson or Lord Kinnock, anyone to get them through next 12 months. No election as only one candidate can meet the 38 MPs target. Crucially they take control of the branding again.
Corbyn forms own party - Momentum. Starts polling about 5%.
@RobD said in previous thread: A deal in under five months? Interesting!
The deal is already there. We leave the EU and join EFTA/EEA. Not exactly difficult to draft that.
All that has to be decided is what concessions on free movement they will agree and how much Danegeld (in membership fees higher per capita than Norway) that - they will demand/we are prepared to pay - in return.
Dosen't really take that long to agree principles behind closed doors then, after December or whenever, hold a few summits to thrash out the last details and play brinkmanship over the fees/free movement and everyone emerges triumphant into the sunlight.
We get some bells and whistles on free movement stopping people coming over here to take un/low skilled work that isn't viable without housing benefit/tax credits/free NHS (unless their own country offers similar levels which exempts France Germany etc.) they still get much of our contribution which they can ill afford to lose and six months later then France and Germany see to it that EU will implement same free movement restrictions throughout the EU (without any reduction in payments by us of course which become our EFTA "Barnet Formula").
We leave, set up our own trade deals outside the EU, carry on in EFTA and see what happens for a few years. If, in a decade or so EU is a much smaller portion of our trade, we have healthy agriculture, our seas are full of fish because we have replaced CAP/CFP with our own rules, we start handbagging for contribution reductions in the same way as Thatcher got our rebate. The won't want to lose all our contributions if they say no and we leave so will cave in.
Job done.
So easy to negotiate with the EU; looks like we're going to get all we want. Phewee.
Just the teensy weensy slightest doubt, however, that it will be such plain sailing. I mean this is the organisation that the Leavers say gave us such a shocking deal a matter of a few months ago.
Yes but we now have a Remainer leading the country, so the EU may be a bit more amenable
And she can conduct negotiations on the basis of "I didn't want this any more than you do, but we are where we are".
I'm optimistic of a soft landing for the first time since the vote. As I put it this morning I voted remain, but now I'm a belEEaver, and I suspect that position is quite widespread.
Many thanks for your pointers on previous thread.
No problem, good luck, final tip: check your household insurance, you may have general legal expenses cover for contractual disputes.
Michael Crick @MichaelLCrick 8m8 minutes ago Owen Smith will definitely run for Labour leader, I'm told, but it may be a few days before he officially declares.
Needs a few days to get his tax returns filed and in order.
Rachel Johnson @RachelSJohnson 14m14 minutes ago Dear @jonsnowC4 you know I love you and @Channel4News but I will say this just once. Never introduce me as sister of Boris again. Thank you
Let's just say they don't put Corby on the ballot and elect someone else. Can you just imagine the punch up that would ensue for the front bench seat when Corbyn refused to move. The shenanigans of the Beasty of Bolsover would be a kiddies picnic in comparison.
Let's just say they don't put Corby on the ballot and elect someone else. Can you just imagine the punch up that would ensue for the front bench seat when Corbyn refused to move. The shenanigans of the Beasty of Bolsover would be a kiddies picnic in comparison.
The Labour war might be solved rather quick than we imagine. NEC vote that Corbyn is off ballot without 51. He resigns. Can't even get the 38 needed in that case. Starts legal proceedings - gets nowhere as a court will rule that NEC is final decider of these matters.
Twitter breaks under the strain of howling Momentum (although bear in mind most of them will be away InterRailing in August) and goes off-line for a week. Deselections start in some local parties.
But, Party bigwigs and union bosses decide on a caretaker from Eagle or Owen, or maybe Benn or even Johnson or Lord Kinnock, anyone to get them through next 12 months. No election as only one candidate can meet the 38 MPs target. Crucially they take control of the branding again.
Corbyn forms own party - Momentum. Starts polling about 5%.
The Labour party Leadership rules have been tested to the limit, and have proved to be totally unfit for purpose over the last couple of weeks. It seems incredible that Corbyn will even attempt to get on a Leadership ballot without the PLP nominations required?! You simple cannot run the main Opposition party, never mind a Government without the support of your Parliamentary colleagues however popular you are among the grassroots? Will Corbyn really lead the Labour party down a disastrous blind alley to obscurity over a battle for the Labour party brand?
As much as it may amaze you, the answer to your question is yes. The man is unhinged.
Let's just say they don't put Corby on the ballot and elect someone else. Can you just imagine the punch up that would ensue for the front bench seat when Corbyn refused to move. The shenanigans of the Beasty of Bolsover would be a kiddies picnic in comparison.
The Labour war might be solved rather quick than we imagine. NEC vote that Corbyn is off ballot without 51. He resigns. Can't even get the 38 needed in that case. Starts legal proceedings - gets nowhere as a court will rule that NEC is final decider of these matters.
Twitter breaks under the strain of howling Momentum (although bear in mind most of them will be away InterRailing in August) and goes off-line for a week. Deselections start in some local parties.
But, Party bigwigs and union bosses decide on a caretaker from Eagle or Owen, or maybe Benn or even Johnson or Lord Kinnock, anyone to get them through next 12 months. No election as only one candidate can meet the 38 MPs target. Crucially they take control of the branding again.
Corbyn forms own party - Momentum. Starts polling about 5%.
Thus, endeth the Corbyn era.
That would be the very likely outcome if the NEC sees sense tomorrow. It probably won't, and will put him on the ballot. My wife and many of my friends were Corbyn supporters. There view now? Time to go. The game's up.
Dai Davis This is a really good blog. Just 14% of private sector employees are in a TU. Shocking how we've let this happen. https://t.co/h3zZAvtGiI
If you include self employed and partners in partnerships, then Trade Union members make up just 10.1% of all people who work in the Private sector, and will probably full to less than 10% within a year.
Well, he's got to build his media profile somehow. Would Owen Jones be popular if he got things right occasionally? Of course not! It would mean journalists couldn't feel superior to them. Same with Montie, and he needs the money to keep himself in the style to which he is accustomed.
Rachel Johnson @RachelSJohnson 14m14 minutes ago Dear @jonsnowC4 you know I love you and @Channel4News but I will say this just once. Never introduce me as sister of Boris again. Thank you
smear by association?
They inly have her on because of who her brother is.
The Labour war might be solved rather quick than we imagine. NEC vote that Corbyn is off ballot without 51. He resigns. Can't even get the 38 needed in that case. Starts legal proceedings - gets nowhere as a court will rule that NEC is final decider of these matters.
Twitter breaks under the strain of howling Momentum (although bear in mind most of them will be away InterRailing in August) and goes off-line for a week. Deselections start in some local parties.
But, Party bigwigs and union bosses decide on a caretaker from Eagle or Owen, or maybe Benn or even Johnson or Lord Kinnock, anyone to get them through next 12 months. No election as only one candidate can meet the 38 MPs target. Crucially they take control of the branding again.
Corbyn forms own party - Momentum. Starts polling about 5%.
Thus, endeth the Corbyn era.
In your dreams.
If tomorrows NEC doesn't allow Jezza to stand.
Corbyn gets a 6-0 NEC result from members.
New NEC overules previous exclusion
Jezza wins SDP2 launches
Thus, endeth the Blairite era.
Fantasy. If the NEC says he needs nominations his goose is cooked. They probably won't. But if they do the game's up.
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Chris Christie 17% 21% Newt Gingrich 21% 17% Mary Fallin 11% 13% Mike Pence 12% 12% Jeff Sessions 12% 12%
Rachel Johnson @RachelSJohnson 14m14 minutes ago Dear @jonsnowC4 you know I love you and @Channel4News but I will say this just once. Never introduce me as sister of Boris again. Thank you
"I'm here now with Rachel, sister of Jo Johnson..."
"I'm here now with Rachel, daughter of Stanley Johnson"
The Labour war might be solved rather quick than we imagine. NEC vote that Corbyn is off ballot without 51. He resigns. Can't even get the 38 needed in that case. Starts legal proceedings - gets nowhere as a court will rule that NEC is final decider of these matters.
Twitter breaks under the strain of howling Momentum (although bear in mind most of them will be away InterRailing in August) and goes off-line for a week. Deselections start in some local parties.
But, Party bigwigs and union bosses decide on a caretaker from Eagle or Owen, or maybe Benn or even Johnson or Lord Kinnock, anyone to get them through next 12 months. No election as only one candidate can meet the 38 MPs target. Crucially they take control of the branding again.
Corbyn forms own party - Momentum. Starts polling about 5%.
The Labour war might be solved rather quick than we imagine. NEC vote that Corbyn is off ballot without 51. He resigns. Can't even get the 38 needed in that case. Starts legal proceedings - gets nowhere as a court will rule that NEC is final decider of these matters.
Twitter breaks under the strain of howling Momentum (although bear in mind most of them will be away InterRailing in August) and goes off-line for a week. Deselections start in some local parties.
But, Party bigwigs and union bosses decide on a caretaker from Eagle or Owen, or maybe Benn or even Johnson or Lord Kinnock, anyone to get them through next 12 months. No election as only one candidate can meet the 38 MPs target. Crucially they take control of the branding again.
Corbyn forms own party - Momentum. Starts polling about 5%.
Thus, endeth the Corbyn era.
That would be the very likely outcome if the NEC sees sense tomorrow. It probably won't, and will put him on the ballot. My wife and many of my friends were Corbyn supporters. There view now? Time to go. The game's up.
The Labour war might be solved rather quick than we imagine. NEC vote that Corbyn is off ballot without 51. He resigns. Can't even get the 38 needed in that case. Starts legal proceedings - gets nowhere as a court will rule that NEC is final decider of these matters.
Twitter breaks under the strain of howling Momentum (although bear in mind most of them will be away InterRailing in August) and goes off-line for a week. Deselections start in some local parties.
But, Party bigwigs and union bosses decide on a caretaker from Eagle or Owen, or maybe Benn or even Johnson or Lord Kinnock, anyone to get them through next 12 months. No election as only one candidate can meet the 38 MPs target. Crucially they take control of the branding again.
Corbyn forms own party - Momentum. Starts polling about 5%.
Thus, endeth the Corbyn era.
In your dreams.
If tomorrows NEC doesn't allow Jezza to stand.
Corbyn gets a 6-0 NEC result from members.
New NEC overules previous exclusion
Jezza wins SDP2 launches
Thus, endeth the Blairite era.
What is the timetable for election of new NEC?
i received mine today
5th August it says for new NEC
Just under a month then to instigate a coup in which only 1 person is on the ballot and becomes leader of the Labour party. Branding secured.
Two court bailiffs were killed and a police officer injured when a shooter opened fire on a courthouse in the US. The shooter has been reported dead after shots were fired at the Berrien County Courthouse in St Joseph, Michigan
The Labour war might be solved rather quick than we imagine. NEC vote that Corbyn is off ballot without 51. He resigns. Can't even get the 38 needed in that case. Starts legal proceedings - gets nowhere as a court will rule that NEC is final decider of these matters.
Twitter breaks under the strain of howling Momentum (although bear in mind most of them will be away InterRailing in August) and goes off-line for a week. Deselections start in some local parties.
But, Party bigwigs and union bosses decide on a caretaker from Eagle or Owen, or maybe Benn or even Johnson or Lord Kinnock, anyone to get them through next 12 months. No election as only one candidate can meet the 38 MPs target. Crucially they take control of the branding again.
Corbyn forms own party - Momentum. Starts polling about 5%.
Thus, endeth the Corbyn era.
In your dreams.
If tomorrows NEC doesn't allow Jezza to stand.
Corbyn gets a 6-0 NEC result from members.
New NEC overules previous exclusion
Jezza wins SDP2 launches
Thus, endeth the Blairite era.
Fantasy. If the NEC says he needs nominations his goose is cooked. They probably won't. But if they do the game's up.
Which NEC the one in place by 5th August will cement the lefts control of the party.
SDP2 ensues no union funding bugger all membership.
Let's just say they don't put Corby on the ballot and elect someone else. Can you just imagine the punch up that would ensue for the front bench seat when Corbyn refused to move. The shenanigans of the Beasty of Bolsover would be a kiddies picnic in comparison.
The Labour war might be solved rather quick than we imagine. NEC vote that Corbyn is off ballot without 51. He resigns. Can't even get the 38 needed in that case. Starts legal proceedings - gets nowhere as a court will rule that NEC is final decider of these matters.
Twitter breaks under the strain of howling Momentum (although bear in mind most of them will be away InterRailing in August) and goes off-line for a week. Deselections start in some local parties.
But, Party bigwigs and union bosses decide on a caretaker from Eagle or Owen, or maybe Benn or even Johnson or Lord Kinnock, anyone to get them through next 12 months. No election as only one candidate can meet the 38 MPs target. Crucially they take control of the branding again.
Corbyn forms own party - Momentum. Starts polling about 5%.
Thus, endeth the Corbyn era.
In your dreams.
If tomorrows NEC doesn't allow Jezza to stand.
Corbyn gets a 6-0 NEC result from members.
New NEC overules previous exclusion
Jezza wins SDP2 launches
Thus, endeth the Blairite era.
Fantasy. If the NEC says he needs nominations his goose is cooked. They probably won't. But if they do the game's up.
Which NEC the one in place by 5th August will cement the lefts control of the party.
SDP2 ensues no union funding bugger all membership.
I n the meantime 15 years of Tory Govt
As I say tomorrow's NEC says he is off the ballot. How fast can a leadership election be run in which only 1 candidate?
The Labour war might be solved rather quick than we imagine. NEC vote that Corbyn is off ballot without 51. He resigns. Can't even get the 38 needed in that case. Starts legal proceedings - gets nowhere as a court will rule that NEC is final decider of these matters.
Twitter breaks under the strain of howling Momentum (although bear in mind most of them will be away InterRailing in August) and goes off-line for a week. Deselections start in some local parties.
But, Party bigwigs and union bosses decide on a caretaker from Eagle or Owen, or maybe Benn or even Johnson or Lord Kinnock, anyone to get them through next 12 months. No election as only one candidate can meet the 38 MPs target. Crucially they take control of the branding again.
Corbyn forms own party - Momentum. Starts polling about 5%.
Thus, endeth the Corbyn era.
That would be the very likely outcome if the NEC sees sense tomorrow. It probably won't, and will put him on the ballot. My wife and many of my friends were Corbyn supporters. There view now? Time to go. The game's up.
I think the NEC will see sense.
Corbyn is finished.
My Corbynista friends (some of which are actually members and voted for him, to my horror) seem to wonder what he is trying to achieve by all this. Party comes first, they say. But we shall see what the NEC do.
The Labour war might be solved rather quick than we imagine. NEC vote that Corbyn is off ballot without 51. He resigns. Can't even get the 38 needed in that case. Starts legal proceedings - gets nowhere as a court will rule that NEC is final decider of these matters.
Twitter breaks under the strain of howling Momentum (although bear in mind most of them will be away InterRailing in August) and goes off-line for a week. Deselections start in some local parties.
But, Party bigwigs and union bosses decide on a caretaker from Eagle or Owen, or maybe Benn or even Johnson or Lord Kinnock, anyone to get them through next 12 months. No election as only one candidate can meet the 38 MPs target. Crucially they take control of the branding again.
Corbyn forms own party - Momentum. Starts polling about 5%.
Thus, endeth the Corbyn era.
In your dreams.
If tomorrows NEC doesn't allow Jezza to stand.
Corbyn gets a 6-0 NEC result from members.
New NEC overules previous exclusion
Jezza wins SDP2 launches
Thus, endeth the Blairite era.
What is the timetable for election of new NEC?
i received mine today
5th August it says for new NEC
Just under a month then to instigate a coup in which only 1 person is on the ballot and becomes leader of the Labour party. Branding secured.
Indeed. As soon as Corbyn goes, the new management will sweep through and clear up the mess and secure the legacy.
How VP picks would affect voters' support for presidential candidate. More likely to support Less likely to support Elizabeth Warren 21% 19% Cory Booker 13% 14% Sherrod Brown 12% 13% Tom Perez 12% 13% Julian Castro 13% 13% Tim Kaine 11% 13%
Chris Christie 17% 21% Newt Gingrich 21% 17% Mary Fallin 11% 13% Mike Pence 12% 12% Jeff Sessions 12% 12%
The Labour war might be solved rather quick than we imagine. NEC vote that Corbyn is off ballot without 51. He resigns. Can't even get the 38 needed in that case. Starts legal proceedings - gets nowhere as a court will rule that NEC is final decider of these matters.
Twitter breaks under the strain of howling Momentum (although bear in mind most of them will be away InterRailing in August) and goes off-line for a week. Deselections start in some local parties.
But, Party bigwigs and union bosses decide on a caretaker from Eagle or Owen, or maybe Benn or even Johnson or Lord Kinnock, anyone to get them through next 12 months. No election as only one candidate can meet the 38 MPs target. Crucially they take control of the branding again.
Corbyn forms own party - Momentum. Starts polling about 5%.
Thus, endeth the Corbyn era.
In your dreams.
If tomorrows NEC doesn't allow Jezza to stand.
Corbyn gets a 6-0 NEC result from members.
New NEC overules previous exclusion
Jezza wins SDP2 launches
Thus, endeth the Blairite era.
What is the timetable for election of new NEC?
i received mine today
5th August it says for new NEC
Just under a month then to instigate a coup in which only 1 person is on the ballot and becomes leader of the Labour party. Branding secured.
Indeed. As soon as Corbyn goes, the new management will sweep through and clear up the mess and secure the legacy.
Stupid move to split the unity vote and allow a second round and possible transfers from either of the unity candidates to Corbyn. Now it just looks like unprofessional infighting and squabbling between two people who just want to be leader rather than regicide.
The fact that Eagle and Smith couldn't come to an agreement says it all.
Wasn't Eagle meant to be the stalking donkey though to bring the more formidable contenders into the race?
Ahhh...yes.... I see what you mean.
Eagle, as much as I agree is atrocious, at least has the spine to stand up and be counted. It appears to be the job of female Labour MP's to be meat shield's for their cowardly comrades.
Watching BBC News it is clear May will struggle to hold on to major chunks of the Leave vote if she backslides at all. Private polling must explain why she had been so strong on 'Brexit means Brexit'.
The Labour war might be solved rather quick than we imagine. NEC vote that Corbyn is off ballot without 51. He resigns. Can't even get the 38 needed in that case. Starts legal proceedings - gets nowhere as a court will rule that NEC is final decider of these matters.
Twitter breaks under the strain of howling Momentum (although bear in mind most of them will be away InterRailing in August) and goes off-line for a week. Deselections start in some local parties.
But, Party bigwigs and union bosses decide on a caretaker from Eagle or Owen, or maybe Benn or even Johnson or Lord Kinnock, anyone to get them through next 12 months. No election as only one candidate can meet the 38 MPs target. Crucially they take control of the branding again.
Corbyn forms own party - Momentum. Starts polling about 5%.
Thus, endeth the Corbyn era.
In your dreams.
If tomorrows NEC doesn't allow Jezza to stand.
Corbyn gets a 6-0 NEC result from members.
New NEC overules previous exclusion
Jezza wins SDP2 launches
Thus, endeth the Blairite era.
Fantasy. If the NEC says he needs nominations his goose is cooked. They probably won't. But if they do the game's up.
Which NEC the one in place by 5th August will cement the lefts control of the party.
SDP2 ensues no union funding bugger all membership.
I n the meantime 15 years of Tory Govt
As I say tomorrow's NEC says he is off the ballot. How fast can a leadership election be run in which only 1 candidate?
impossible to run an election by 5/8/16.
Legal challenge, nominations, ballot papers. etc
Emergency Conference are a certainty if Jezza denied a place
Dave is never going to get to use Cam Force One. Tis a shame, he deserved at least one journey!
I do hope he keeps in touch. I need closure on the Nancy Cameron/apprentice issue. She had a fighting chance before. But now Dad is becoming a muggle. We're all rooting for you nonetheless Nancy!
"Voters in Hungary are on a collision course with the European Union as they look certain to reject a refugee quota scheme being imposed on them by Brussels bureaucrats.A referendum is being held on October 2 and the result is expected to be an overwhelming victory for the country's hard-line Prime Minister Viktor Orbán who is leading the 'keep them out' campaign."
He has urged the country to say 'no' to all migrants – and polls suggest he is in tune with the nation with over 75 per cent of the population set to reject the EU imposed quota of 1,294 refugees.
Mr Orbán, the most vociferous anti-immigrant leader among the 28 EU nations, announced the date of the referendum days after the UK Brexit vote.
The Labour war might be solved rather quick than we imagine. NEC vote that Corbyn is off ballot without 51. He resigns. Can't even get the 38 needed in that case. Starts legal proceedings - gets nowhere as a court will rule that NEC is final decider of these matters.
Twitter breaks under the strain of howling Momentum (although bear in mind most of them will be away InterRailing in August) and goes off-line for a week. Deselections start in some local parties.
But, Party bigwigs and union bosses decide on a caretaker from Eagle or Owen, or maybe Benn or even Johnson or Lord Kinnock, anyone to get them through next 12 months. No election as only one candidate can meet the 38 MPs target. Crucially they take control of the branding again.
Corbyn forms own party - Momentum. Starts polling about 5%.
Thus, endeth the Corbyn era.
In your dreams.
If tomorrows NEC doesn't allow Jezza to stand.
Corbyn gets a 6-0 NEC result from members.
New NEC overules previous exclusion
Jezza wins SDP2 launches
Thus, endeth the Blairite era.
What is the timetable for election of new NEC?
i received mine today
5th August it says for new NEC
Just under a month then to instigate a coup in which only 1 person is on the ballot and becomes leader of the Labour party. Branding secured.
Indeed. As soon as Corbyn goes, the new management will sweep through and clear up the mess and secure the legacy.
The Labour war might be solved rather quick than we imagine. NEC vote that Corbyn is off ballot without 51. He resigns. Can't even get the 38 needed in that case. Starts legal proceedings - gets nowhere as a court will rule that NEC is final decider of these matters.
Twitter breaks under the strain of howling Momentum (although bear in mind most of them will be away InterRailing in August) and goes off-line for a week. Deselections start in some local parties.
But, Party bigwigs and union bosses decide on a caretaker from Eagle or Owen, or maybe Benn or even Johnson or Lord Kinnock, anyone to get them through next 12 months. No election as only one candidate can meet the 38 MPs target. Crucially they take control of the branding again.
Corbyn forms own party - Momentum. Starts polling about 5%.
Thus, endeth the Corbyn era.
That would be the very likely outcome if the NEC sees sense tomorrow. It probably won't, and will put him on the ballot. My wife and many of my friends were Corbyn supporters. There view now? Time to go. The game's up.
I think the NEC will see sense.
Corbyn is finished.
My Corbynista friends (some of which are actually members and voted for him, to my horror) seem to wonder what he is trying to achieve by all this. Party comes first, they say. But we shall see what the NEC do.
Although it'll be a poor show for us popcorn addicts, I predict British politics will have returned to normality by the party conferences.
May in Downing Street, 'normal' LOTO in place, Socialist Alliance/Momentum holding mass rallies of at least a hundred people being addressed by Owen.
The Labour war might be solved rather quick than we imagine. NEC vote that Corbyn is off ballot without 51. He resigns. Can't even get the 38 needed in that case. Starts legal proceedings - gets nowhere as a court will rule that NEC is final decider of these matters.
Twitter breaks under the strain of howling Momentum (although bear in mind most of them will be away InterRailing in August) and goes off-line for a week. Deselections start in some local parties.
But, Party bigwigs and union bosses decide on a caretaker from Eagle or Owen, or maybe Benn or even Johnson or Lord Kinnock, anyone to get them through next 12 months. No election as only one candidate can meet the 38 MPs target. Crucially they take control of the branding again.
Corbyn forms own party - Momentum. Starts polling about 5%.
Thus, endeth the Corbyn era.
In your dreams.
If tomorrows NEC doesn't allow Jezza to stand.
Corbyn gets a 6-0 NEC result from members.
New NEC overules previous exclusion
Jezza wins SDP2 launches
Thus, endeth the Blairite era.
Fantasy. If the NEC says he needs nominations his goose is cooked. They probably won't. But if they do the game's up.
Which NEC the one in place by 5th August will cement the lefts control of the party.
SDP2 ensues no union funding bugger all membership.
I n the meantime 15 years of Tory Govt
As I say tomorrow's NEC says he is off the ballot. How fast can a leadership election be run in which only 1 candidate?
impossible to run an election by 5/8/16.
Legal challenge, nominations, ballot papers. etc
Emergency Conference are a certainty if Jezza denied a place
What is happening to Labour would be hilarious if the consequences were not so very serious. It's a bit like watching a car being crashed deliberately by a driver who's too stupid to have seen the warning signs and too stubborn to turn back when they realise they are wrong. But it's your car they're crashing and you've just realised they're not insured on it.
Let's just say they don't put Corby on the ballot and elect someone else. Can you just imagine the punch up that would ensue for the front bench seat when Corbyn refused to move. The shenanigans of the Beasty of Bolsover would be a kiddies picnic in comparison.
The Labour war might be solved rather quick than we imagine. NEC vote that Corbyn is off ballot without 51. He resigns. Can't even get the 38 needed in that case. Starts legal proceedings - gets nowhere as a court will rule that NEC is final decider of these matters.
Twitter breaks under the strain of howling Momentum (although bear in mind most of them will be away InterRailing in August) and goes off-line for a week. Deselections start in some local parties.
But, Party bigwigs and union bosses decide on a caretaker from Eagle or Owen, or maybe Benn or even Johnson or Lord Kinnock, anyone to get them through next 12 months. No election as only one candidate can meet the 38 MPs target. Crucially they take control of the branding again.
Corbyn forms own party - Momentum. Starts polling about 5%.
Thus, endeth the Corbyn era.
In your dreams.
If tomorrows NEC doesn't allow Jezza to stand.
Corbyn gets a 6-0 NEC result from members.
New NEC overules previous exclusion
Jezza wins SDP2 launches
Thus, endeth the Blairite era.
Fantasy. If the NEC says he needs nominations his goose is cooked. They probably won't. But if they do the game's up.
Which NEC the one in place by 5th August will cement the lefts control of the party.
SDP2 ensues no union funding bugger all membership.
I n the meantime 15 years of Tory Govt
As I say tomorrow's NEC says he is off the ballot. How fast can a leadership election be run in which only 1 candidate?
NuLab has a history of ensuring it gets the legal advice it wants to hear though doesn't it?
The Labour war might be solved rather quick than we imagine. NEC vote that Corbyn is off ballot without 51. He resigns. Can't even get the 38 needed in that case. Starts legal proceedings - gets nowhere as a court will rule that NEC is final decider of these matters.
Twitter breaks under the strain of howling Momentum (although bear in mind most of them will be away InterRailing in August) and goes off-line for a week. Deselections start in some local parties.
But, Party bigwigs and union bosses decide on a caretaker from Eagle or Owen, or maybe Benn or even Johnson or Lord Kinnock, anyone to get them through next 12 months. No election as only one candidate can meet the 38 MPs target. Crucially they take control of the branding again.
Corbyn forms own party - Momentum. Starts polling about 5%.
Thus, endeth the Corbyn era.
In your dreams.
If tomorrows NEC doesn't allow Jezza to stand.
Corbyn gets a 6-0 NEC result from members.
New NEC overules previous exclusion
Jezza wins SDP2 launches
Thus, endeth the Blairite era.
What is the timetable for election of new NEC?
i received mine today
5th August it says for new NEC
Just under a month then to instigate a coup in which only 1 person is on the ballot and becomes leader of the Labour party. Branding secured.
Indeed. As soon as Corbyn goes, the new management will sweep through and clear up the mess and secure the legacy.
Never been a more important NEC meeting.
Should be live on Sky.
I'd watch that!
Anti Corbyn NEC reckon Jezza can be kept off iff the NEC vote is a secret ballot.
The Labour war might be solved rather quick than we imagine. NEC vote that Corbyn is off ballot without 51. He resigns. Can't even get the 38 needed in that case. Starts legal proceedings - gets nowhere as a court will rule that NEC is final decider of these matters.
Twitter breaks under the strain of howling Momentum (although bear in mind most of them will be away InterRailing in August) and goes off-line for a week. Deselections start in some local parties.
But, Party bigwigs and union bosses decide on a caretaker from Eagle or Owen, or maybe Benn or even Johnson or Lord Kinnock, anyone to get them through next 12 months. No election as only one candidate can meet the 38 MPs target. Crucially they take control of the branding again.
Corbyn forms own party - Momentum. Starts polling about 5%.
Thus, endeth the Corbyn era.
In your dreams.
If tomorrows NEC doesn't allow Jezza to stand.
Corbyn gets a 6-0 NEC result from members.
New NEC overules previous exclusion
Jezza wins SDP2 launches
Thus, endeth the Blairite era.
Fantasy. If the NEC says he needs nominations his goose is cooked. They probably won't. But if they do the game's up.
Which NEC the one in place by 5th August will cement the lefts control of the party.
SDP2 ensues no union funding bugger all membership.
I n the meantime 15 years of Tory Govt
As I say tomorrow's NEC says he is off the ballot. How fast can a leadership election be run in which only 1 candidate?
impossible to run an election by 5/8/16.
Legal challenge, nominations, ballot papers. etc
Emergency Conference are a certainty if Jezza denied a place
An election with one candidate? Ergo a coronation of a caretaker?
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https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/04/23/best-pm-cameron-lead-14/?nh=find-solutions,sectors,political
The Valleys people know when to spot a charlatan when they see one.
1. The Jezzbollah want Corbyn and they don't care.
2. The PLP want Corbyn out but lack membership support to effect change.
3. Labour voters watch the sorry mess with incredulity.
4. Swing voters are repelled by Labour
5. Nick Palmer doesn't know whether he's Arthur or Martha.
Result - Ongoing Conservative government.
This is a really good blog. Just 14% of private sector employees are in a TU. Shocking how we've let this happen. https://t.co/h3zZAvtGiI
Labour NEC member compares Corbyn to Kim Jong-il over refusal to get nominations. "You can’t have people elected for life.”
Twitter breaks under the strain of howling Momentum (although bear in mind most of them will be away InterRailing in August) and goes off-line for a week. Deselections start in some local parties.
But, Party bigwigs and union bosses decide on a caretaker from Eagle or Owen, or maybe Benn or even Johnson or Lord Kinnock, anyone to get them through next 12 months. No election as only one candidate can meet the 38 MPs target. Crucially they take control of the branding again.
Corbyn forms own party - Momentum. Starts polling about 5%.
Thus, endeth the Corbyn era.
At the moment we can't afford to leave EEA. Maybe in the future, but now would be too much far too soon.
I say may.
Hello?
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Ahhh...yes.... I see what you mean.
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If tomorrows NEC doesn't allow Jezza to stand.
Corbyn gets a 6-0 NEC result from members.
New NEC overules previous exclusion
Jezza wins SDP2 launches
Thus, endeth the Blairite era.
Mornington Crescent btw.
Owen Smith will definitely run for Labour leader, I'm told, but it may be a few days before he officially declares.
Needs a few days to get his tax returns filed and in order.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/corbybn-automatically-on-leader-ballot_uk_5783e4dee4b0935d4b4b53bd?jyymz9eig42r442t9
.but three nights of Trainspotting live as a springwatch equivalent on the bbc....
Boogaloo!!!
https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/752587116991877120
Clinton 45 .. Trump 41
http://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/MonmouthPoll_NV_071116/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-36767308?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
The Unions (12 votes) and CLP (6) would give Corbyn a majority...
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07/11/tory-members-defect-ukip/
Clinton 42 .. Trump 41
https://morningconsult.com/2016/07/11/voters-largely-unmoved-potential-vp-picks-poll-shows/
More likely to support Less likely to support
Elizabeth Warren 21% 19%
Cory Booker 13% 14%
Sherrod Brown 12% 13%
Tom Perez 12% 13%
Julian Castro 13% 13%
Tim Kaine 11% 13%
Chris Christie 17% 21%
Newt Gingrich 21% 17%
Mary Fallin 11% 13%
Mike Pence 12% 12%
Jeff Sessions 12% 12%
5th August it says for new NEC
Corbyn is finished.
Toast 41
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/michigan-courthouse-shooting-three-dead-8400552
SDP2 ensues no union funding bugger all membership.
I n the meantime 15 years of Tory Govt
May is the oldest person to become PM since 1976;
This is the first time the PM and the LOTO have had an average age of over 60 since 1983;
The last PM to hold a voluntary election immediately on taking office was Eden in 1955;
I think May is also the first childless PM since Balfour in 1905, although I could be wrong on that.
Well true, but remainers lost IN A VOTE
Never been a more important NEC meeting.
His sole significant achievement is also of course what May is expected to unwind.
Legal challenge, nominations, ballot papers. etc
Emergency Conference are a certainty if Jezza denied a place
"Voters in Hungary are on a collision course with the European Union as they look certain to reject a refugee quota scheme being imposed on them by Brussels bureaucrats.A referendum is being held on October 2 and the result is expected to be an overwhelming victory for the country's hard-line Prime Minister Viktor Orbán who is leading the 'keep them out' campaign."
He has urged the country to say 'no' to all migrants – and polls suggest he is in tune with the nation with over 75 per cent of the population set to reject the EU imposed quota of 1,294 refugees.
Mr Orbán, the most vociferous anti-immigrant leader among the 28 EU nations, announced the date of the referendum days after the UK Brexit vote.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3684113/How-DARE-Brussels-tell-migrants-live-country-Hungary-vote-no-Brexit-inspired-referendum-EU-demands-1-294-refugees-pay-300million-fine-instead.
May in Downing Street, 'normal' LOTO in place, Socialist Alliance/Momentum holding mass rallies of at least a hundred people being addressed by Owen.
Probably not if its a normal vote.
FFS