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Owen Smith enters the LAB race https://t.co/Szhsj2CA19
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1st like Jezza
BTW Owen Smith is waiting till after tomorrows NEC now before he decides to run or not0 -
Second like The Eagles.0
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Completely irrelevant like Labour.0
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I think Eagles will finish 3rdGIN1138 said:Second like The Eagles.
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Stupid move to split the unity vote and allow a second round and possible transfers from either of the unity candidates to Corbyn. Now it just looks like unprofessional infighting and squabbling between two people who just want to be leader rather than regicide.0
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Seriously, what would summer threads have been without a bizarre leadership contest last year? Apparently they decided it was so good it had to be an annual thing. I see Mike's hand in this.0 -
Sorry to go off-topic so soon, but what are people's thoughts on the Republican convention? Is there any way that Trump doesn't get a bounce?0
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Is Theresa May the last Prime Minister who will face a Labour Opposition?0
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Who's Owen Smith?0
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I think compulsory reselection for all MPs has to be part of Corbyns bid for leader this time round.RodCrosby said:
Lets face it these MPs are off to form SDP2 after a Jezza win anyway0 -
As I commented at the weekend, what a time to be alive in Britain at the moment. We're either on the edge of the Abyss or just starting out on a trek to the Sunny Uplands.
I think Labour are at the Abyss, though, and feeling a bit dizzy looking down.0 -
@RobD said in previous thread: A deal in under five months? Interesting!
The deal is already there. We leave the EU and join EFTA/EEA. Not exactly difficult to draft that.
All that has to be decided is what concessions on free movement they will agree and how much Danegeld (in membership fees higher per capita than Norway) that - they will demand/we are prepared to pay - in return.
Dosen't really take that long to agree principles behind closed doors then, after December or whenever, hold a few summits to thrash out the last details and play brinkmanship over the fees/free movement and everyone emerges triumphant into the sunlight.
We get some bells and whistles on free movement stopping people coming over here to take un/low skilled work that isn't viable without housing benefit/tax credits/free NHS (unless their own country offers similar levels which exempts France Germany etc.) they still get much of our contribution which they can ill afford to lose and six months later then France and Germany see to it that EU will implement same free movement restrictions throughout the EU (without any reduction in payments by us of course which become our EFTA "Barnet Formula").
We leave, set up our own trade deals outside the EU, carry on in EFTA and see what happens for a few years. If, in a decade or so EU is a much smaller portion of our trade, we have healthy agriculture, our seas are full of fish because we have replaced CAP/CFP with our own rules, we start handbagging for contribution reductions in the same way as Thatcher got our rebate. The won't want to lose all our contributions if they say no and we leave so will cave in.
Job done.0 -
No idea is it the name you use when you book into a hotel with a lady who is not your Mrs ??Sean_F said:Who's Owen Smith?
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I would say Owen Smith has a 5% chance of beating Jezza. Angela Eagle has LT a 1% chance IMO0
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out of 2 candidates....bigjohnowls said:
I think Eagles will finish 3rdGIN1138 said:Second like The Eagles.
I just commented on the previous thread, why on earth did she declare when things were clearly still up in the air? - based on Tom Watson's comments this afternoon
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Owen Smith enters the LAB race
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The opening lines of 'A Tale of Two Cities' really come to mindTwistedFireStopper said:As I commented at the weekend, what a time to be alive in Britain at the moment. We're either on the edge of the Abyss or just starting out on a trek to the Sunny Uplands.
I think Labour are at the Abyss, though, and feeling a bit dizzy looking down.0 -
I just saw Angela Eagle give a speech for the first time on the BBC. Jesus Christ, if this is the best they can do they are in major trouble. At least Leadsome could deliver the rhythm of a sentence right.0
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Actually, Paul, EFTA is quite good at doing trade deals. They have perfectly serviceable ones with Canada, the GCC, etc.Paul_Bedfordshire said:@RobD said in previous thread: A deal in under five months? Interesting!
The deal is already there. We leave the EU and join EFTA/EEA. Not exactly difficult to draft that.
All that has to be decided is what concessions on free movement they will agree and how much Danegeld (in membership fees higher per capita than Norway) that - they will demand/we are prepared to pay - in return.
Dosen't really take that long to agree principles behind closed doors then, after December or whenever, hold a few summits to thrash out the last details and play brinkmanship over the fees/free movement and everyone emerges triumphant into the sunlight.
We get some bells and whistles on free movement stopping people coming over here to take un/low skilled work that isn't viable without housing benefit/tax credits/free NHS (unless their own country offers similar levels which exempts France Germany etc.) they still get much of our contribution which they can ill afford to lose and six months later then France and Germany see to it that EU will implement same free movement restrictions throughout the EU (without any reduction in payments by us of course which become our EFTA "Barnet Formula").
We leave, set up our own trade deals outside the EU, carry on in EFTA and see what happens for a few years. If, in a decade or so EU is a much smaller portion of our trade, we have healthy agriculture, our seas are full of fish because we have replaced CAP/CFP with our own rules, we start handbagging for contribution reductions in the same way as Thatcher got our rebate. The won't want to lose all our contributions if they say no and we leave so will cave in.
Job done.
Even if we did decide to leave the EEA later, there's no reason to leave EFTA.0 -
The fact that Eagle and Smith couldn't come to an agreement says it all.MaxPB said:Stupid move to split the unity vote and allow a second round and possible transfers from either of the unity candidates to Corbyn. Now it just looks like unprofessional infighting and squabbling between two people who just want to be leader rather than regicide.
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Son of Professor Dai Smith, the Raymond Williams Professor of Cultural History at Swansea University, Chair of Welsh Arts Council, etc.Sean_F said:Who's Owen Smith?
Basically, Welsh Labour aristocracy.0 -
Diane Abbott on C4 News dubs Angela Eagle "The Empire Strikes Back" candidate.0
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FPT. Apologies if this has already been posted, but now looking significantly more grim for the PLP and wider Labour party?
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Watson also told PLP: "I've got my own mandate but if I lost your confidence I would resign, and Jeremy should have done."0 -
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Owen Smith's team tell me "not true" he will launch rival leadership bid tomorrow. Presumably he's waiting to see if Corbyn on ballot paper
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Do labour not know that if you split the anti-x vote you make it easier for x? Good grief they are useless.0
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So easy to negotiate with the EU; looks like we're going to get all we want. Phewee.Paul_Bedfordshire said:@RobD said in previous thread: A deal in under five months? Interesting!
The deal is already there. We leave the EU and join EFTA/EEA. Not exactly difficult to draft that.
All that has to be decided is what concessions on free movement they will agree and how much Danegeld (in membership fees higher per capita than Norway) that - they will demand/we are prepared to pay - in return.
Dosen't really take that long to agree principles behind closed doors then, after December or whenever, hold a few summits to thrash out the last details and play brinkmanship over the fees/free movement and everyone emerges triumphant into the sunlight.
We get some bells and whistles on free movement stopping people coming over here to take un/low skilled work that isn't viable without housing benefit/tax credits/free NHS (unless their own country offers similar levels which exempts France Germany etc.) they still get much of our contribution which they can ill afford to lose and six months later then France and Germany see to it that EU will implement same free movement restrictions throughout the EU (without any reduction in payments by us of course which become our EFTA "Barnet Formula").
We leave, set up our own trade deals outside the EU, carry on in EFTA and see what happens for a few years. If, in a decade or so EU is a much smaller portion of our trade, we have healthy agriculture, our seas are full of fish because we have replaced CAP/CFP with our own rules, we start handbagging for contribution reductions in the same way as Thatcher got our rebate. The won't want to lose all our contributions if they say no and we leave so will cave in.
Job done.
Just the teensy weensy slightest doubt, however, that it will be such plain sailing. I mean this is the organisation that the Leavers say gave us such a shocking deal a matter of a few months ago.0 -
Now May is PM in waiting and with Labour in turmoil she could well be PM for at least as long as Cameron if she calls and wins a snap election and if she waits until 2020 and wins she could be PM for almost a decade, surpassing Cameron and Major and Brown and almost as long as Blair and Thatcher. She will be the UK's Merkel, could dominate the centre and leave the right to UKIP and the left to whatever remains of Labour0
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Son of Professor Dai Smith, the Raymond Williams Professor of Cultural History at Swansea University, Chair of Welsh Arts Council, etc.
Basically, Welsh Labour aristocracy.
'The Crachach...'0 -
Yes but we now have a Remainer leading the country, so the EU may be a bit more amenableTOPPING said:
So easy to negotiate with the EU; looks like we're going to get all we want. Phewee.Paul_Bedfordshire said:@RobD said in previous thread: A deal in under five months? Interesting!
The deal is already there. We leave the EU and join EFTA/EEA. Not exactly difficult to draft that.
All that has to be decided is what concessions on free movement they will agree and how much Danegeld (in membership fees higher per capita than Norway) that - they will demand/we are prepared to pay - in return.
Dosen't really take that long to agree principles behind closed doors then, after December or whenever, hold a few summits to thrash out the last details and play brinkmanship over the fees/free movement and everyone emerges triumphant into the sunlight.
We get some bells and whistles on free movement stopping people coming over here to take un/low skilled work that isn't viable without housing benefit/tax credits/free NHS (unless their own country offers similar levels which exempts France Germany etc.) they still get much of our contribution which they can ill afford to lose and six months later then France and Germany see to it that EU will implement same free movement restrictions throughout the EU (without any reduction in payments by us of course which become our EFTA "Barnet Formula").
We leave, set up our own trade deals outside the EU, carry on in EFTA and see what happens for a few years. If, in a decade or so EU is a much smaller portion of our trade, we have healthy agriculture, our seas are full of fish because we have replaced CAP/CFP with our own rules, we start handbagging for contribution reductions in the same way as Thatcher got our rebate. The won't want to lose all our contributions if they say no and we leave so will cave in.
Job done.
Just the teensy weensy slightest doubt, however, that it will be such plain sailing. I mean this is the organisation that the Leavers say gave us such a shocking deal a matter of a few months ago.0 -
Will Larry the cat remain in No10, or leave with the Camerons?
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Larry the Cat @Number10cat 2h2 hours ago
Does anyone know a good cat groomer available tomorrow? I need to make a good impression on someone on Wednesday...
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Owen Smith is just waiting to see if Corbyn is on the ballot. If he is then I expect he might not run. Corbyn will do a demolition job on Eagle if he is indeed on.0
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Quite amazing that the Sky Data poll found 18% thought Jezza would be the better PM. Although he didn't quite beat the "Don't Knows".
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Presumably they were the "Don't know who Corbyn is" group?JackW said:Quite amazing that the Sky Data poll found 18% thought Jezza would be the better PM. Although he didn't quite beat the "Don't Knows".
Bless ....0 -
Does anybody know, will those people who paid £3 to vote in the last labour leadership election, automatically get a vote in this one? or will they have to pay again?
I would have thought it was a one-off, but because it is within a year I don't want to assume anything!0 -
And she can conduct negotiations on the basis of "I didn't want this any more than you do, but we are where we are".HYUFD said:
Yes but we now have a Remainer leading the country, so the EU may be a bit more amenableTOPPING said:
So easy to negotiate with the EU; looks like we're going to get all we want. Phewee.Paul_Bedfordshire said:@RobD said in previous thread: A deal in under five months? Interesting!
The deal is already there. We leave the EU and join EFTA/EEA. Not exactly difficult to draft that.
All that has to be decided is what concessions on free movement they will agree and how much Danegeld (in membership fees higher per capita than Norway) that - they will demand/we are prepared to pay - in return.
Dosen't really take that long to agree principles behind closed doors then, after December or whenever, hold a few summits to thrash out the last details and play brinkmanship over the fees/free movement and everyone emerges triumphant into the sunlight.
We get some bells and whistles on free movement stopping people coming over here to take un/low skilled work that isn't viable without housing benefit/tax credits/free NHS (unless their own country offers similar levels which exempts France Germany etc.) they still get much of our contribution which they can ill afford to lose and six months later then France and Germany see to it that EU will implement same free movement restrictions throughout the EU (without any reduction in payments by us of course which become our EFTA "Barnet Formula").
We leave, set up our own trade deals outside the EU, carry on in EFTA and see what happens for a few years. If, in a decade or so EU is a much smaller portion of our trade, we have healthy agriculture, our seas are full of fish because we have replaced CAP/CFP with our own rules, we start handbagging for contribution reductions in the same way as Thatcher got our rebate. The won't want to lose all our contributions if they say no and we leave so will cave in.
Job done.
Just the teensy weensy slightest doubt, however, that it will be such plain sailing. I mean this is the organisation that the Leavers say gave us such a shocking deal a matter of a few months ago.
I'm optimistic of a soft landing for the first time since the vote. As I put it this morning I voted remain, but now I'm a belEEAver, and I suspect that position is quite widespread.0 -
11% of Londoners want it to be independent post Brexit, 23% want the London Assembly replaced with a London Parliament like Holyrood
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/eleven-per-cent-of-people-want-london-to-become-a-separate-country-after-brexit-vote-a3292701.html0 -
Many thanks for your pointers on previous thread.Ishmael_X said:
And she can conduct negotiations on the basis of "I didn't want this any more than you do, but we are where we are".HYUFD said:
Yes but we now have a Remainer leading the country, so the EU may be a bit more amenableTOPPING said:
So easy to negotiate with the EU; looks like we're going to get all we want. Phewee.Paul_Bedfordshire said:@RobD said in previous thread: A deal in under five months? Interesting!
The deal is already there. We leave the EU and join EFTA/EEA. Not exactly difficult to draft that.
All that has to be decided is what concessions on free movement they will agree and how much Danegeld (in membership fees higher per capita than Norway) that - they will demand/we are prepared to pay - in return.
Dosen't really take that long to agree principles behind closed doors then, after December or whenever, hold a few summits to thrash out the last details and play brinkmanship over the fees/free movement and everyone emerges triumphant into the sunlight.
We get some bells and whistles on free movement stopping people coming over here to take un/low skilled work that isn't viable without housing benefit/tax credits/free NHS (unless their own country offers similar levels which exempts France Germany etc.) they still get much of our contribution which they can ill afford to lose and six months later then France and Germany see to it that EU will implement same free movement restrictions throughout the EU (without any reduction in payments by us of course which become our EFTA "Barnet Formula").
We leave, set up our own trade deals outside the EU, carry on in EFTA and see what happens for a few years. If, in a decade or so EU is a much smaller portion of our trade, we have healthy agriculture, our seas are full of fish because we have replaced CAP/CFP with our own rules, we start handbagging for contribution reductions in the same way as Thatcher got our rebate. The won't want to lose all our contributions if they say no and we leave so will cave in.
Job done.
Just the teensy weensy slightest doubt, however, that it will be such plain sailing. I mean this is the organisation that the Leavers say gave us such a shocking deal a matter of a few months ago.
I'm optimistic of a soft landing for the first time since the vote. As I put it this morning I voted remain, but now I'm a belEEaver, and I suspect that position is quite widespread.0 -
So in my lifetime the Conservatives are on their second female leader and Labour on their second existential crisis.0
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Think we may have found Labour's floor under Corbyn. Bit less than Hodges' 25 or even 20%.williamglenn said:
Presumably they were the "Don't know who Corbyn is" group?JackW said:Quite amazing that the Sky Data poll found 18% thought Jezza would be the better PM. Although he didn't quite beat the "Don't Knows".
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Its all a bit like Hitler's Birthday party in the bunker, as the bombs and shells fall. The level of disconnect from reality is extraordinary.Alanbrooke said:
My respect for Eagle increases. She is the only one with the guts to put herself on the line.0 -
After Nick Boles landed in hot water when he got caught out trying to get some May supporters in Conservative Parliamentary party to tactically vote for Gove to stop Leadsom getting on ballot paper. I have been left wondering if the May campaign team wisely realised that Gove would have in the end proved a tougher opponent than Leadsom if he had been on that final ballot to be put to the wider membership....0
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Angela Eagle once 'ruthlessly removed' the British Women's Chess Association President in a coup. A sign of things to come?
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No problem, good luck, final tip: check your household insurance, you may have general legal expenses cover for contractual disputes.Moses_ said:
Many thanks for your pointers on previous thread.Ishmael_X said:
And she can conduct negotiations on the basis of "I didn't want this any more than you do, but we are where we are".HYUFD said:
Yes but we now have a Remainer leading the country, so the EU may be a bit more amenableTOPPING said:
So easy to negotiate with the EU; looks like we're going to get all we want. Phewee.Paul_Bedfordshire said:@RobD said in previous thread: A deal in under five months? Interesting!
The deal is already there. We leave the EU and join EFTA/EEA. Not exactly difficult to draft that.
All that has to be decided is what concessions on free movement they will agree and how much Danegeld (in membership fees higher per capita than Norway) that - they will demand/we are prepared to pay - in return.
Dosen't really take that long to agree principles behind closed doors then, after December or whenever, hold a few summits to thrash out the last details and play brinkmanship over the fees/free movement and everyone emerges triumphant into the sunlight.
We get some bells and whistles on free movement stopping people coming over here to take un/low skilled work that isn't viable without housing benefit/tax credits/free NHS (unless their own country offers similar levels which exempts France Germany etc.) they still get much of our contribution which they can ill afford to lose and six months later then France and Germany see to it that EU will implement same free movement restrictions throughout the EU (without any reduction in payments by us of course which become our EFTA "Barnet Formula").
We leave, set up our own trade deals outside the EU, carry on in EFTA and see what happens for a few years. If, in a decade or so EU is a much smaller portion of our trade, we have healthy agriculture, our seas are full of fish because we have replaced CAP/CFP with our own rules, we start handbagging for contribution reductions in the same way as Thatcher got our rebate. The won't want to lose all our contributions if they say no and we leave so will cave in.
Job done.
Just the teensy weensy slightest doubt, however, that it will be such plain sailing. I mean this is the organisation that the Leavers say gave us such a shocking deal a matter of a few months ago.
I'm optimistic of a soft landing for the first time since the vote. As I put it this morning I voted remain, but now I'm a belEEaver, and I suspect that position is quite widespread.0 -
Pretty accurate description, in the land of the blind the one eyed man is king.TwistedFireStopper said:0 -
Agreed, I voted Remain too but as long as May can do some form of EEA deal we will be fineIshmael_X said:
And she can conduct negotiations on the basis of "I didn't want this any more than you do, but we are where we are".HYUFD said:
Yes but we now have a Remainer leading the country, so the EU may be a bit more amenableTOPPING said:
So easy to negotiate with the EU; looks like we're going to get all we want. Phewee.Paul_Bedfordshire said:@RobD said in previous thread: A deal in under five months? Interesting!
The deal is already there. We leave the EU and join EFTA/EEA. Not exactly difficult to draft that.
All that has to be decided is what concessions on free movement they will agree and how much Danegeld (in membership fees higher per capita than Norway) that - they will demand/we are prepared to pay - in return.
Dosen't really take that long to agree principles behind closed doors then, after December or whenever, hold a few summits to thrash out the last details and play brinkmanship over the fees/free movement and everyone emerges triumphant into the sunlight.
We get some bells and whistles on free movement stopping people coming over here to take un/low skilled work that isn't viable without housing benefit/tax credits/free NHS (unless their own country offers similar levels which exempts France Germany etc.) they still get much of our contribution which they can ill afford to lose and six months later then France and Germany see to it that EU will implement same free movement restrictions throughout the EU (without any reduction in payments by us of course which become our EFTA "Barnet Formula").
We leave, set up our own trade deals outside the EU, carry on in EFTA and see what happens for a few years. If, in a decade or so EU is a much smaller portion of our trade, we have healthy agriculture, our seas are full of fish because we have replaced CAP/CFP with our own rules, we start handbagging for contribution reductions in the same way as Thatcher got our rebate. The won't want to lose all our contributions if they say no and we leave so will cave in.
Job done.
Just the teensy weensy slightest doubt, however, that it will be such plain sailing. I mean this is the organisation that the Leavers say gave us such a shocking deal a matter of a few months ago.
I'm optimistic of a soft landing for the first time since the vote. As I put it this morning I voted remain, but now I'm a belEEAver, and I suspect that position is quite widespread.0 -
Interesting to read that Eagle is a very good chess player.
She must full well know she is Tom Watson's gambit pawn.0 -
We shall see. Interesting to hear one of La Leadsom's dimwitted MP supporters trying to structure the debate in terms similar to : "May has said Brexit means Brexit, hence no Norwegian model...."Ishmael_X said:
And she can conduct negotiations on the basis of "I didn't want this any more than you do, but we are where we are".HYUFD said:
Yes but we now have a Remainer leading the country, so the EU may be a bit more amenableTOPPING said:
So easy to negotiate with the EU; looks like we're going to get all we want. Phewee.Paul_Bedfordshire said:@RobD said in previous thread: A deal in under five months? Interesting!
The deal is already there. We leave the EU and join EFTA/EEA. Not exactly difficult to draft that.
All that has to be decided is what concessions on free movement they will agree and how much Danegeld (in membership fees higher per capita than Norway) that - they will demand/we are prepared to pay - in return.
Dosen't really take that long to agree principles behind closed doors then, after December or whenever, hold a few summits to thrash out the last details and play brinkmanship over the fees/free movement and everyone emerges triumphant into the sunlight.
We get some bells and whistles on free movement stopping people coming over here to take un/low skilled work that isn't viable without housing benefit/tax credits/free NHS (unless their own country offers similar levels which exempts France Germany etc.) they still get much of our contribution which they can ill afford to lose and six months later then France and Germany see to it that EU will implement same free movement restrictions throughout the EU (without any reduction in payments by us of course which become our EFTA "Barnet Formula").
We leave, set up our own trade deals outside the EU, carry on in EFTA and see what happens for a few years. If, in a decade or so EU is a much smaller portion of our trade, we have healthy agriculture, our seas are full of fish because we have replaced CAP/CFP with our own rules, we start handbagging for contribution reductions in the same way as Thatcher got our rebate. The won't want to lose all our contributions if they say no and we leave so will cave in.
Job done.
Just the teensy weensy slightest doubt, however, that it will be such plain sailing. I mean this is the organisation that the Leavers say gave us such a shocking deal a matter of a few months ago.
I'm optimistic of a soft landing for the first time since the vote. As I put it this morning I voted remain, but now I'm a belEEAver, and I suspect that position is quite widespread.
Of course a) May has said no such thing (about Norway); and b) a lot of people, not perhaps BelEEAvers, perhaps Anti-Foreignevers, will remain unhappy.
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Doesn't Luke lose his arm in a fight with Vader in Empire?TwistedFireStopper said:0 -
Not really a massive "movement" is it.HYUFD said:11% of Londoners want it to be independent post Brexit, 23% want the London Assembly replaced with a London Parliament like Holyrood
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/eleven-per-cent-of-people-want-london-to-become-a-separate-country-after-brexit-vote-a3292701.html0 -
More like Stauffenberg's coup in 1944 ....foxinsoxuk said:Its all a bit like Hitler's Birthday party in the bunker, as the bombs and shells fall. The level of disconnect from reality is extraordinary.
My respect for Eagle increases. She is the only one with the guts to put herself on the line.
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I thought he was Osborne's cat?fitalass said:Will Larry the cat remain in No10, or leave with the Camerons?
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Larry the Cat @Number10cat 2h2 hours ago
Does anyone know a good cat groomer available tomorrow? I need to make a good impression on someone on Wednesday...0 -
The pawn that makes its move may well become Queen...Pulpstar said:Interesting to read that Eagle is a very good chess player.
She must full well know she is Tom Watson's gambit pawn.0 -
Sky news interview on now,
Christine Shawcroft members rep on the NEC does not understand why a challenge to Corbyn is taking place given he got biggest mandate of any leader only 10 months ago. She states she will also vote tomorrow to ensure Corbyn is on the ballot.
Krypes make it stop...I just cannot eat anymore popcorn.0 -
The evil genius jailers have become the happy-clappy supplicants overnight.TOPPING said:
So easy to negotiate with the EU; looks like we're going to get all we want. Phewee.Paul_Bedfordshire said:@RobD said in previous thread: A deal in under five months? Interesting!
The deal is already there. We leave the EU and join EFTA/EEA. Not exactly difficult to draft that.
All that has to be decided is what concessions on free movement they will agree and how much Danegeld (in membership fees higher per capita than Norway) that - they will demand/we are prepared to pay - in return.
Dosen't really take that long to agree principles behind closed doors then, after December or whenever, hold a few summits to thrash out the last details and play brinkmanship over the fees/free movement and everyone emerges triumphant into the sunlight.
We get some bells and whistles on free movement stopping people coming over here to take un/low skilled work that isn't viable without housing benefit/tax credits/free NHS (unless their own country offers similar levels which exempts France Germany etc.) they still get much of our contribution which they can ill afford to lose and six months later then France and Germany see to it that EU will implement same free movement restrictions throughout the EU (without any reduction in payments by us of course which become our EFTA "Barnet Formula").
We leave, set up our own trade deals outside the EU, carry on in EFTA and see what happens for a few years. If, in a decade or so EU is a much smaller portion of our trade, we have healthy agriculture, our seas are full of fish because we have replaced CAP/CFP with our own rules, we start handbagging for contribution reductions in the same way as Thatcher got our rebate. The won't want to lose all our contributions if they say no and we leave so will cave in.
Job done.
Just the teensy weensy slightest doubt, however, that it will be such plain sailing. I mean this is the organisation that the Leavers say gave us such a shocking deal a matter of a few months ago.0 -
"Harman: Theresa May must ‘deliver for women’"
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Possibly.JackW said:
More like Stauffenberg's coup in 1944 ....foxinsoxuk said:Its all a bit like Hitler's Birthday party in the bunker, as the bombs and shells fall. The level of disconnect from reality is extraordinary.
My respect for Eagle increases. She is the only one with the guts to put herself on the line.
The choice for sensible Labour is to fight or to become extinct. Only one option has a chance of political survival.0 -
Because Labour can't.AndyJS said:"Harman: Theresa May must ‘deliver for women’"
http://leftfootforward.org/2016/07/harman-theresa-may-must-deliver-for-women/0 -
Just when it looked like we might be entering a period of calm and stability, along come the Labour Party. Their commitment to giving us something to LOL about is much appreciated.
Young Corbynite on Twitter asking what Labour need to do to win Scotland back from the SNP. Will you tell him, or shall I?0 -
I think the comparable figure would be the percentage who thought Ed would make the best PM. Cameron always led his party.HYUFD said:
Yes, he managed to get over half the percentage Ed Miliband won last May, onwards and upwards Jezza!JackW said:Quite amazing that the Sky Data poll found 18% thought Jezza would be the better PM. Although he didn't quite beat the "Don't Knows".
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The Labour party Leadership rules have been tested to the limit, and have proved to be totally unfit for purpose over the last couple of weeks. It seems incredible that Corbyn will even attempt to get on a Leadership ballot without the PLP nominations required?! You simple cannot run the main Opposition party, never mind a Government without the support of your Parliamentary colleagues however popular you are among the grassroots? Will Corbyn really lead the Labour party down a disastrous blind alley to obscurity over a battle for the Labour party brand?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Priceless!TwistedFireStopper said:
Because Labour can't.AndyJS said:"Harman: Theresa May must ‘deliver for women’"
http://leftfootforward.org/2016/07/harman-theresa-may-must-deliver-for-women/
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I think I'm right in saying that Owen Smith was the Labour candidate in the Blaenau Gwent by election in 2006. He lost to Independent Dai Davies, Peter Law's agent.0
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Officially, Larry belongs to the Cabinet Office.rottenborough said:
I thought he was Osborne's cat?fitalass said:Will Larry the cat remain in No10, or leave with the Camerons?
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Larry the Cat @Number10cat 2h2 hours ago
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Possibly .... or Status Quo - "we're too polite to kick a man when he's down, down, deeper and down."williamglenn said:
Presumably they were the "Don't know who Corbyn is" group?JackW said:Quite amazing that the Sky Data poll found 18% thought Jezza would be the better PM. Although he didn't quite beat the "Don't Knows".
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No. She must deliver for all.AndyJS said:"Harman: Theresa May must ‘deliver for women’"
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I am one of the rare true europhile/support the idea of ever closer union types - but as it's clear the UK is on a ever diverging path from the rest of the EU, I think an EEA type solution is the best option we have left, and we should go for it - no second votes or parliament blockages of brexit. The EEA option is not perfect, but it is a good compromise all round. If May can deliver a successful brexit-lite then she may put the europe question to bed. I'm no tory but am mildly optimistic for the first time since June 23rd.Ishmael_X said:
And she can conduct negotiations on the basis of "I didn't want this any more than you do, but we are where we are".HYUFD said:
Yes but we now have a Remainer leading the country, so the EU may be a bit more amenable
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I think you are mistaken concerning the power structures of felines.surbiton said:
Officially, Larry belongs to the Cabinet Office.rottenborough said:
I thought he was Osborne's cat?fitalass said:Will Larry the cat remain in No10, or leave with the Camerons?
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Larry the Cat @Number10cat 2h2 hours ago
Does anyone know a good cat groomer available tomorrow? I need to make a good impression on someone on Wednesday...
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He also turned Pontypridd from a rock-solid Labour seat into a marginal in 2010.FrankBooth said:I think I'm right in saying that Owen Smith was the Labour candidate in the Blaenau Gwent by election in 2006. He lost to Independent Dai Davies, Peter Law's agent.
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Keep polishing your pink bus, love.AndyJS said:"Harman: Theresa May must ‘deliver for women’"
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Labour really don't get this uniting the country malarkey do they?AndyJS said:"Harman: Theresa May must ‘deliver for women’"
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No, Larry is the No10 cat, the Osborne's cat Freya is the tabby that lives with them next door. I believe that Freya elected herself boss cat in Downing Street without much of a fight from Larry.rottenborough said:
I thought he was Osborne's cat?fitalass said:Will Larry the cat remain in No10, or leave with the Camerons?
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at least that's more positive than cleaning behind the fridge.John_M said:
Keep polishing your pink bus, love.AndyJS said:"Harman: Theresa May must ‘deliver for women’"
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File under "Questions to which the answer is: Yes".fitalass said:
The Labour party Leadership rules have been tested to the limit, and have proved to be totally unfit for purpose over the last couple of weeks. It seems incredible that Corbyn will even attempt to get on a Leadership ballot without the PLP nominations required?! You simple cannot run the main Opposition party, never mind a Government without the support of your Parliamentary colleagues however popular you are among the grassroots? Will Corbyn really lead the Labour party down a disastrous blind alley to obscurity over a battle for the Labour party brand?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
No, the Labour rulebook is very very clear actually.fitalass said:
The Labour party Leadership rules have been tested to the limit, and have proved to be totally unfit for purpose over the last couple of weeks. It seems incredible that Corbyn will even attempt to get on a Leadership ballot without the PLP nominations required?! You simple cannot run the main Opposition party, never mind a Government without the support of your Parliamentary colleagues however popular you are among the grassroots? Will Corbyn really lead the Labour party down a disastrous blind alley to obscurity over a battle for the Labour party brand?TheScreamingEagles said:
Watto just doesn't like what it says and is trying to rig it the wrong way.0 -
I hope she doesn't put the dynamite up against Watson's leg. The assassination will never work.JackW said:
More like Stauffenberg's coup in 1944 ....foxinsoxuk said:Its all a bit like Hitler's Birthday party in the bunker, as the bombs and shells fall. The level of disconnect from reality is extraordinary.
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Presumably one of these two rebels/moderators will redraw before the Corbyn showdown?AndyJS said:
He also turned Pontypridd from a rock-solid Labour seat into a marginal in 2010.FrankBooth said:I think I'm right in saying that Owen Smith was the Labour candidate in the Blaenau Gwent by election in 2006. He lost to Independent Dai Davies, Peter Law's agent.
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It was funny hearing Krishnan Guru-Murthy asking Diane Abbott whether she thought Angela Eagle was Darth Vader.0
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Downfall, what a fine film. And source of endless parody.Fenster said:
I hope she doesn't put the dynamite up against Watson's leg. The assassination will never work.JackW said:
More like Stauffenberg's coup in 1944 ....foxinsoxuk said:Its all a bit like Hitler's Birthday party in the bunker, as the bombs and shells fall. The level of disconnect from reality is extraordinary.
My respect for Eagle increases. She is the only one with the guts to put herself on the line.
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So Larry could be back as Top Cat, when Osborne moves to FO?fitalass said:
No, Larry is the No10 cat, the Osborne's cat Freya is the tabby that lives with them next door. I believe that Freya elected herself boss cat in Downing Street without much of a fight from Larry.rottenborough said:
I thought he was Osborne's cat?fitalass said:Will Larry the cat remain in No10, or leave with the Camerons?
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Larry the Cat @Number10cat 2h2 hours ago
Does anyone know a good cat groomer available tomorrow? I need to make a good impression on someone on Wednesday...0 -
and whether she was princess leia, which I'd posted here this morning!AndyJS said:It was funny hearing Krishnan Guru-Murthy asking Diane Abbott whether she thought Angela Eagle was Darth Vader.
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Currently delayed arrival of 66789.tlg86 said:So who isn't watching Trainspotting Live on BBC 4?
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Corbyn has spent this evening addressing the Cuba Solidarity Campaign.foxinsoxuk said:
Its all a bit like Hitler's Birthday party in the bunker, as the bombs and shells fall. The level of disconnect from reality is extraordinary.Alanbrooke said:
My respect for Eagle increases. She is the only one with the guts to put herself on the line.0
