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Owen Smith enters the LAB race https://t.co/Szhsj2CA19

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bigjohnowls · July 2016

1st like Jezza

BTW Owen Smith is waiting till after tomorrows NEC now before he decides to run or not

GIN1138 · July 2016

Second like The Eagles.

John_M · July 2016

Completely irrelevant like Labour.

bigjohnowls · July 2016

GIN1138 said:
Second like The Eagles.

I think Eagles will finish 3rd

MaxPB · July 2016

Stupid move to split the unity vote and allow a second round and possible transfers from either of the unity candidates to Corbyn. Now it just looks like unprofessional infighting and squabbling between two people who just want to be leader rather than regicide.

kle4 · July 2016

Labour - committed to providing political pundits with work since 2015.

Seriously, what would summer threads have been without a bizarre leadership contest last year? Apparently they decided it was so good it had to be an annual thing. I see Mike's hand in this.

Wanderer · July 2016

Sorry to go off-topic so soon, but what are people's thoughts on the Republican convention? Is there any way that Trump doesn't get a bounce?

RodCrosby · July 2016

https://twitter.com/danbloom1/status/752561410450817024

Wanderer · July 2016

Is Theresa May the last Prime Minister who will face a Labour Opposition?

Sean_F · July 2016

Who's Owen Smith?

bigjohnowls · July 2016

RodCrosby said:
https://twitter.com/danbloom1/status/752561410450817024

I think compulsory reselection for all MPs has to be part of Corbyns bid for leader this time round.

Lets face it these MPs are off to form SDP2 after a Jezza win anyway

Omnium · July 2016

Wanderer said:
Is Theresa May the last Prime Minister who will face a Labour Opposition?

That was David Cameron

TwistedFireStopper · July 2016

As I commented at the weekend, what a time to be alive in Britain at the moment. We're either on the edge of the Abyss or just starting out on a trek to the Sunny Uplands.
I think Labour are at the Abyss, though, and feeling a bit dizzy looking down.

Paul_Bedfordshire · July 2016

@RobD said in previous thread: A deal in under five months? Interesting!

The deal is already there. We leave the EU and join EFTA/EEA. Not exactly difficult to draft that.

All that has to be decided is what concessions on free movement they will agree and how much Danegeld (in membership fees higher per capita than Norway) that - they will demand/we are prepared to pay - in return.

Dosen't really take that long to agree principles behind closed doors then, after December or whenever, hold a few summits to thrash out the last details and play brinkmanship over the fees/free movement and everyone emerges triumphant into the sunlight.

We get some bells and whistles on free movement stopping people coming over here to take un/low skilled work that isn't viable without housing benefit/tax credits/free NHS (unless their own country offers similar levels which exempts France Germany etc.) they still get much of our contribution which they can ill afford to lose and six months later then France and Germany see to it that EU will implement same free movement restrictions throughout the EU (without any reduction in payments by us of course which become our EFTA "Barnet Formula").

We leave, set up our own trade deals outside the EU, carry on in EFTA and see what happens for a few years. If, in a decade or so EU is a much smaller portion of our trade, we have healthy agriculture, our seas are full of fish because we have replaced CAP/CFP with our own rules, we start handbagging for contribution reductions in the same way as Thatcher got our rebate. The won't want to lose all our contributions if they say no and we leave so will cave in.

Job done.

bigjohnowls · July 2016

Sean_F said:
Who's Owen Smith?

No idea is it the name you use when you book into a hotel with a lady who is not your Mrs ??

bigjohnowls · July 2016

I would say Owen Smith has a 5% chance of beating Jezza. Angela Eagle has LT a 1% chance IMO

eek · July 2016

bigjohnowls said:

GIN1138 said:
Second like The Eagles.
I think Eagles will finish 3rd

out of 2 candidates....

I just commented on the previous thread, why on earth did she declare when things were clearly still up in the air? - based on Tom Watson's comments this afternoon

SimonStClare · July 2016

Owen Smith enters the LAB race

Where do Labour keep finding these political titans ?

rcs1000 · July 2016

Wanderer said:
Is Theresa May the last Prime Minister who will face a Labour Opposition?

You think it's only Labour PMs from now on? Brave.

taffys · July 2016

TwistedFireStopper said:
As I commented at the weekend, what a time to be alive in Britain at the moment. We're either on the edge of the Abyss or just starting out on a trek to the Sunny Uplands.
I think Labour are at the Abyss, though, and feeling a bit dizzy looking down.

The opening lines of 'A Tale of Two Cities' really come to mind

EdgwareJoel · July 2016

I just saw Angela Eagle give a speech for the first time on the BBC. Jesus Christ, if this is the best they can do they are in major trouble. At least Leadsome could deliver the rhythm of a sentence right.

rcs1000 · July 2016

Paul_Bedfordshire said:
@RobD said in previous thread: A deal in under five months? Interesting!

The deal is already there. We leave the EU and join EFTA/EEA. Not exactly difficult to draft that.

All that has to be decided is what concessions on free movement they will agree and how much Danegeld (in membership fees higher per capita than Norway) that - they will demand/we are prepared to pay - in return.

Dosen't really take that long to agree principles behind closed doors then, after December or whenever, hold a few summits to thrash out the last details and play brinkmanship over the fees/free movement and everyone emerges triumphant into the sunlight.

We get some bells and whistles on free movement stopping people coming over here to take un/low skilled work that isn't viable without housing benefit/tax credits/free NHS (unless their own country offers similar levels which exempts France Germany etc.) they still get much of our contribution which they can ill afford to lose and six months later then France and Germany see to it that EU will implement same free movement restrictions throughout the EU (without any reduction in payments by us of course which become our EFTA "Barnet Formula").

We leave, set up our own trade deals outside the EU, carry on in EFTA and see what happens for a few years. If, in a decade or so EU is a much smaller portion of our trade, we have healthy agriculture, our seas are full of fish because we have replaced CAP/CFP with our own rules, we start handbagging for contribution reductions in the same way as Thatcher got our rebate. The won't want to lose all our contributions if they say no and we leave so will cave in.

Job done.

Actually, Paul, EFTA is quite good at doing trade deals. They have perfectly serviceable ones with Canada, the GCC, etc.

Even if we did decide to leave the EEA later, there's no reason to leave EFTA.

AndyJS · July 2016

MaxPB said:
Stupid move to split the unity vote and allow a second round and possible transfers from either of the unity candidates to Corbyn. Now it just looks like unprofessional infighting and squabbling between two people who just want to be leader rather than regicide.

The fact that Eagle and Smith couldn't come to an agreement says it all.

YBarddCwsc · July 2016

Sean_F said:
Who's Owen Smith?

Son of Professor Dai Smith, the Raymond Williams Professor of Cultural History at Swansea University, Chair of Welsh Arts Council, etc.

Basically, Welsh Labour aristocracy.

AndyJS · July 2016

Diane Abbott on C4 News dubs Angela Eagle "The Empire Strikes Back" candidate.

fitalass · July 2016

FPT. Apologies if this has already been posted, but now looking significantly more grim for the PLP and wider Labour party?

Twitter
George Eaton ‏@georgeeaton 36m36 minutes ago
Tom Watson to PLP meeting: "For years I've been told that I'm a fixer. Well, I've tried to fix this and I've failed."

George Eaton ‏@georgeeaton 32m32 minutes ago
Watson also told PLP: "I've got my own mandate but if I lost your confidence I would resign, and Jeremy should have done."

kle4 · July 2016

rcs1000 said:

Wanderer said:
Is Theresa May the last Prime Minister who will face a Labour Opposition?
You think it's only Labour PMs from now on? Brave.

One thing Corbynistas have taught me is that you only ever get Tory PMs - sometimes they just happen to be called Labour at the time.

fitalass · July 2016

Twitter
Sophy Ridge ‏@SophyRidgeSky 43m43 minutes ago
Owen Smith's team tell me "not true" he will launch rival leadership bid tomorrow. Presumably he's waiting to see if Corbyn on ballot paper

HYUFD · July 2016

https://twitter.com/SkyData/status/752564163210280960

ToryJim · July 2016

Do labour not know that if you split the anti-x vote you make it easier for x? Good grief they are useless.

HYUFD · July 2016

https://twitter.com/SkyData/status/752564608175570944

HaroldO · July 2016

AndyJS said:
Diane Abbott on C4 News dubs Angela Eagle "The Empire Strikes Back" candidate.

Did the same this morning IIRC, cheap shot from a tacky politician.

TOPPING · July 2016

Paul_Bedfordshire said:
@RobD said in previous thread: A deal in under five months? Interesting!

The deal is already there. We leave the EU and join EFTA/EEA. Not exactly difficult to draft that.

All that has to be decided is what concessions on free movement they will agree and how much Danegeld (in membership fees higher per capita than Norway) that - they will demand/we are prepared to pay - in return.

Dosen't really take that long to agree principles behind closed doors then, after December or whenever, hold a few summits to thrash out the last details and play brinkmanship over the fees/free movement and everyone emerges triumphant into the sunlight.

We get some bells and whistles on free movement stopping people coming over here to take un/low skilled work that isn't viable without housing benefit/tax credits/free NHS (unless their own country offers similar levels which exempts France Germany etc.) they still get much of our contribution which they can ill afford to lose and six months later then France and Germany see to it that EU will implement same free movement restrictions throughout the EU (without any reduction in payments by us of course which become our EFTA "Barnet Formula").

We leave, set up our own trade deals outside the EU, carry on in EFTA and see what happens for a few years. If, in a decade or so EU is a much smaller portion of our trade, we have healthy agriculture, our seas are full of fish because we have replaced CAP/CFP with our own rules, we start handbagging for contribution reductions in the same way as Thatcher got our rebate. The won't want to lose all our contributions if they say no and we leave so will cave in.

Job done.

So easy to negotiate with the EU; looks like we're going to get all we want. Phewee.

Just the teensy weensy slightest doubt, however, that it will be such plain sailing. I mean this is the organisation that the Leavers say gave us such a shocking deal a matter of a few months ago.

HYUFD · July 2016

Now May is PM in waiting and with Labour in turmoil she could well be PM for at least as long as Cameron if she calls and wins a snap election and if she waits until 2020 and wins she could be PM for almost a decade, surpassing Cameron and Major and Brown and almost as long as Blair and Thatcher. She will be the UK's Merkel, could dominate the centre and leave the right to UKIP and the left to whatever remains of Labour

taffys · July 2016

Son of Professor Dai Smith, the Raymond Williams Professor of Cultural History at Swansea University, Chair of Welsh Arts Council, etc.

Basically, Welsh Labour aristocracy.

'The Crachach...'

HYUFD · July 2016

TOPPING said:

Paul_Bedfordshire said:
@RobD said in previous thread: A deal in under five months? Interesting!

The deal is already there. We leave the EU and join EFTA/EEA. Not exactly difficult to draft that.

All that has to be decided is what concessions on free movement they will agree and how much Danegeld (in membership fees higher per capita than Norway) that - they will demand/we are prepared to pay - in return.

Dosen't really take that long to agree principles behind closed doors then, after December or whenever, hold a few summits to thrash out the last details and play brinkmanship over the fees/free movement and everyone emerges triumphant into the sunlight.

We get some bells and whistles on free movement stopping people coming over here to take un/low skilled work that isn't viable without housing benefit/tax credits/free NHS (unless their own country offers similar levels which exempts France Germany etc.) they still get much of our contribution which they can ill afford to lose and six months later then France and Germany see to it that EU will implement same free movement restrictions throughout the EU (without any reduction in payments by us of course which become our EFTA "Barnet Formula").

We leave, set up our own trade deals outside the EU, carry on in EFTA and see what happens for a few years. If, in a decade or so EU is a much smaller portion of our trade, we have healthy agriculture, our seas are full of fish because we have replaced CAP/CFP with our own rules, we start handbagging for contribution reductions in the same way as Thatcher got our rebate. The won't want to lose all our contributions if they say no and we leave so will cave in.

Job done.
So easy to negotiate with the EU; looks like we're going to get all we want. Phewee.

Just the teensy weensy slightest doubt, however, that it will be such plain sailing. I mean this is the organisation that the Leavers say gave us such a shocking deal a matter of a few months ago.

Yes but we now have a Remainer leading the country, so the EU may be a bit more amenable

murali_s · July 2016

AndyJS said:
Diane Abbott on C4 News dubs Angela Eagle "The Empire Strikes Back" candidate.

Does anyone take Diane Abbott seriously? She's comedy gold...

fitalass · July 2016

Will Larry the cat remain in No10, or leave with the Camerons?

Twitter
Larry the Cat ‏@Number10cat 2h2 hours ago
Does anyone know a good cat groomer available tomorrow? I need to make a good impression on someone on Wednesday...

kle4 · July 2016

murali_s said:

AndyJS said:
Diane Abbott on C4 News dubs Angela Eagle "The Empire Strikes Back" candidate.
Does anyone take Diane Abbott seriously? She's comedy gold...

Jeremy Corbyn and by extension his hundreds of thousands of supporters and millions of those who will vote labour do.

Pulpstar · July 2016

Owen Smith is just waiting to see if Corbyn is on the ballot. If he is then I expect he might not run. Corbyn will do a demolition job on Eagle if he is indeed on.

JackW · July 2016

Quite amazing that the Sky Data poll found 18% thought Jezza would be the better PM. Although he didn't quite beat the "Don't Knows".

Bless ....

Alanbrooke · July 2016

murali_s said:

AndyJS said:
Diane Abbott on C4 News dubs Angela Eagle "The Empire Strikes Back" candidate.
Does anyone take Diane Abbott seriously? She's comedy gold...

she's also shadow health secretary. Is the NHS now a joke in Labour circles ?

TwistedFireStopper · July 2016

murali_s said:

AndyJS said:
Diane Abbott on C4 News dubs Angela Eagle "The Empire Strikes Back" candidate.
Does anyone take Diane Abbott seriously? She's comedy gold...

The fact that she is probably one of Labour's "big beasts" should make you worried.

williamglenn · July 2016

JackW said:
Quite amazing that the Sky Data poll found 18% thought Jezza would be the better PM. Although he didn't quite beat the "Don't Knows".

Bless ....

Presumably they were the "Don't know who Corbyn is" group?

BigRich · July 2016

Does anybody know, will those people who paid £3 to vote in the last labour leadership election, automatically get a vote in this one? or will they have to pay again?

I would have thought it was a one-off, but because it is within a year I don't want to assume anything!

Ishmael_X · July 2016

HYUFD said:

TOPPING said:

Paul_Bedfordshire said:
@RobD said in previous thread: A deal in under five months? Interesting!

The deal is already there. We leave the EU and join EFTA/EEA. Not exactly difficult to draft that.

All that has to be decided is what concessions on free movement they will agree and how much Danegeld (in membership fees higher per capita than Norway) that - they will demand/we are prepared to pay - in return.

Dosen't really take that long to agree principles behind closed doors then, after December or whenever, hold a few summits to thrash out the last details and play brinkmanship over the fees/free movement and everyone emerges triumphant into the sunlight.

We get some bells and whistles on free movement stopping people coming over here to take un/low skilled work that isn't viable without housing benefit/tax credits/free NHS (unless their own country offers similar levels which exempts France Germany etc.) they still get much of our contribution which they can ill afford to lose and six months later then France and Germany see to it that EU will implement same free movement restrictions throughout the EU (without any reduction in payments by us of course which become our EFTA "Barnet Formula").

We leave, set up our own trade deals outside the EU, carry on in EFTA and see what happens for a few years. If, in a decade or so EU is a much smaller portion of our trade, we have healthy agriculture, our seas are full of fish because we have replaced CAP/CFP with our own rules, we start handbagging for contribution reductions in the same way as Thatcher got our rebate. The won't want to lose all our contributions if they say no and we leave so will cave in.

Job done.
So easy to negotiate with the EU; looks like we're going to get all we want. Phewee.

Just the teensy weensy slightest doubt, however, that it will be such plain sailing. I mean this is the organisation that the Leavers say gave us such a shocking deal a matter of a few months ago.
Yes but we now have a Remainer leading the country, so the EU may be a bit more amenable

And she can conduct negotiations on the basis of "I didn't want this any more than you do, but we are where we are".

I'm optimistic of a soft landing for the first time since the vote. As I put it this morning I voted remain, but now I'm a belEEAver, and I suspect that position is quite widespread.

HYUFD · July 2016

11% of Londoners want it to be independent post Brexit, 23% want the London Assembly replaced with a London Parliament like Holyrood
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/eleven-per-cent-of-people-want-london-to-become-a-separate-country-after-brexit-vote-a3292701.html

TOPPING · July 2016

murali_s said:

AndyJS said:
Diane Abbott on C4 News dubs Angela Eagle "The Empire Strikes Back" candidate.
Does anyone take Diane Abbott seriously? She's comedy gold...

mu-rarrrrrrrrrrrrrrr-li

Moses_ · July 2016

Ishmael_X said:

HYUFD said:

TOPPING said:

Paul_Bedfordshire said:
@RobD said in previous thread: A deal in under five months? Interesting!

The deal is already there. We leave the EU and join EFTA/EEA. Not exactly difficult to draft that.

All that has to be decided is what concessions on free movement they will agree and how much Danegeld (in membership fees higher per capita than Norway) that - they will demand/we are prepared to pay - in return.

Dosen't really take that long to agree principles behind closed doors then, after December or whenever, hold a few summits to thrash out the last details and play brinkmanship over the fees/free movement and everyone emerges triumphant into the sunlight.

We get some bells and whistles on free movement stopping people coming over here to take un/low skilled work that isn't viable without housing benefit/tax credits/free NHS (unless their own country offers similar levels which exempts France Germany etc.) they still get much of our contribution which they can ill afford to lose and six months later then France and Germany see to it that EU will implement same free movement restrictions throughout the EU (without any reduction in payments by us of course which become our EFTA "Barnet Formula").

We leave, set up our own trade deals outside the EU, carry on in EFTA and see what happens for a few years. If, in a decade or so EU is a much smaller portion of our trade, we have healthy agriculture, our seas are full of fish because we have replaced CAP/CFP with our own rules, we start handbagging for contribution reductions in the same way as Thatcher got our rebate. The won't want to lose all our contributions if they say no and we leave so will cave in.

Job done.
So easy to negotiate with the EU; looks like we're going to get all we want. Phewee.

Just the teensy weensy slightest doubt, however, that it will be such plain sailing. I mean this is the organisation that the Leavers say gave us such a shocking deal a matter of a few months ago.
Yes but we now have a Remainer leading the country, so the EU may be a bit more amenable
And she can conduct negotiations on the basis of "I didn't want this any more than you do, but we are where we are".

I'm optimistic of a soft landing for the first time since the vote. As I put it this morning I voted remain, but now I'm a belEEaver, and I suspect that position is quite widespread.

Many thanks for your pointers on previous thread.

ToryJim · July 2016

So in my lifetime the Conservatives are on their second female leader and Labour on their second existential crisis.

rottenborough · July 2016

williamglenn said:

JackW said:
Quite amazing that the Sky Data poll found 18% thought Jezza would be the better PM. Although he didn't quite beat the "Don't Knows".

Bless ....
Presumably they were the "Don't know who Corbyn is" group?

Think we may have found Labour's floor under Corbyn. Bit less than Hodges' 25 or even 20%.

foxinsoxuk · July 2016

Alanbrooke said:

murali_s said:

AndyJS said:
Diane Abbott on C4 News dubs Angela Eagle "The Empire Strikes Back" candidate.
Does anyone take Diane Abbott seriously? She's comedy gold...
she's also shadow health secretary. Is the NHS now a joke in Labour circles ?

Its all a bit like Hitler's Birthday party in the bunker, as the bombs and shells fall. The level of disconnect from reality is extraordinary.

My respect for Eagle increases. She is the only one with the guts to put herself on the line.

fitalass · July 2016

After Nick Boles landed in hot water when he got caught out trying to get some May supporters in Conservative Parliamentary party to tactically vote for Gove to stop Leadsom getting on ballot paper. I have been left wondering if the May campaign team wisely realised that Gove would have in the end proved a tougher opponent than Leadsom if he had been on that final ballot to be put to the wider membership....

HYUFD · July 2016

Angela Eagle once 'ruthlessly removed' the British Women's Chess Association President in a coup. A sign of things to come?
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londoners-diary/londoners-diary-chilcot-rouses-the-biographers-of-tony-blair-a3292856.html

TheScreamingEagles · July 2016

https://twitter.com/DMcCaffreySKY/status/752556850319679488

Ishmael_X · July 2016

Moses_ said:

Ishmael_X said:

HYUFD said:

TOPPING said:

Paul_Bedfordshire said:
@RobD said in previous thread: A deal in under five months? Interesting!

The deal is already there. We leave the EU and join EFTA/EEA. Not exactly difficult to draft that.

All that has to be decided is what concessions on free movement they will agree and how much Danegeld (in membership fees higher per capita than Norway) that - they will demand/we are prepared to pay - in return.

Dosen't really take that long to agree principles behind closed doors then, after December or whenever, hold a few summits to thrash out the last details and play brinkmanship over the fees/free movement and everyone emerges triumphant into the sunlight.

We get some bells and whistles on free movement stopping people coming over here to take un/low skilled work that isn't viable without housing benefit/tax credits/free NHS (unless their own country offers similar levels which exempts France Germany etc.) they still get much of our contribution which they can ill afford to lose and six months later then France and Germany see to it that EU will implement same free movement restrictions throughout the EU (without any reduction in payments by us of course which become our EFTA "Barnet Formula").

We leave, set up our own trade deals outside the EU, carry on in EFTA and see what happens for a few years. If, in a decade or so EU is a much smaller portion of our trade, we have healthy agriculture, our seas are full of fish because we have replaced CAP/CFP with our own rules, we start handbagging for contribution reductions in the same way as Thatcher got our rebate. The won't want to lose all our contributions if they say no and we leave so will cave in.

Job done.
So easy to negotiate with the EU; looks like we're going to get all we want. Phewee.

Just the teensy weensy slightest doubt, however, that it will be such plain sailing. I mean this is the organisation that the Leavers say gave us such a shocking deal a matter of a few months ago.
Yes but we now have a Remainer leading the country, so the EU may be a bit more amenable
And she can conduct negotiations on the basis of "I didn't want this any more than you do, but we are where we are".

I'm optimistic of a soft landing for the first time since the vote. As I put it this morning I voted remain, but now I'm a belEEaver, and I suspect that position is quite widespread.
Many thanks for your pointers on previous thread.

No problem, good luck, final tip: check your household insurance, you may have general legal expenses cover for contractual disputes.

saddened · July 2016

TwistedFireStopper said:

murali_s said:

AndyJS said:
Diane Abbott on C4 News dubs Angela Eagle "The Empire Strikes Back" candidate.
Does anyone take Diane Abbott seriously? She's comedy gold...
The fact that she is probably one of Labour's "big beasts" should make you worried.

Pretty accurate description, in the land of the blind the one eyed man is king.

HYUFD · July 2016

Ishmael_X said:

HYUFD said:

TOPPING said:

Paul_Bedfordshire said:
@RobD said in previous thread: A deal in under five months? Interesting!

The deal is already there. We leave the EU and join EFTA/EEA. Not exactly difficult to draft that.

All that has to be decided is what concessions on free movement they will agree and how much Danegeld (in membership fees higher per capita than Norway) that - they will demand/we are prepared to pay - in return.

Dosen't really take that long to agree principles behind closed doors then, after December or whenever, hold a few summits to thrash out the last details and play brinkmanship over the fees/free movement and everyone emerges triumphant into the sunlight.

We get some bells and whistles on free movement stopping people coming over here to take un/low skilled work that isn't viable without housing benefit/tax credits/free NHS (unless their own country offers similar levels which exempts France Germany etc.) they still get much of our contribution which they can ill afford to lose and six months later then France and Germany see to it that EU will implement same free movement restrictions throughout the EU (without any reduction in payments by us of course which become our EFTA "Barnet Formula").

We leave, set up our own trade deals outside the EU, carry on in EFTA and see what happens for a few years. If, in a decade or so EU is a much smaller portion of our trade, we have healthy agriculture, our seas are full of fish because we have replaced CAP/CFP with our own rules, we start handbagging for contribution reductions in the same way as Thatcher got our rebate. The won't want to lose all our contributions if they say no and we leave so will cave in.

Job done.
So easy to negotiate with the EU; looks like we're going to get all we want. Phewee.

Just the teensy weensy slightest doubt, however, that it will be such plain sailing. I mean this is the organisation that the Leavers say gave us such a shocking deal a matter of a few months ago.
Yes but we now have a Remainer leading the country, so the EU may be a bit more amenable
And she can conduct negotiations on the basis of "I didn't want this any more than you do, but we are where we are".

I'm optimistic of a soft landing for the first time since the vote. As I put it this morning I voted remain, but now I'm a belEEAver, and I suspect that position is quite widespread.

Agreed, I voted Remain too but as long as May can do some form of EEA deal we will be fine

Pulpstar · July 2016

Interesting to read that Eagle is a very good chess player.

She must full well know she is Tom Watson's gambit pawn.

TOPPING · July 2016

Ishmael_X said:

HYUFD said:

TOPPING said:

Paul_Bedfordshire said:
@RobD said in previous thread: A deal in under five months? Interesting!

The deal is already there. We leave the EU and join EFTA/EEA. Not exactly difficult to draft that.

All that has to be decided is what concessions on free movement they will agree and how much Danegeld (in membership fees higher per capita than Norway) that - they will demand/we are prepared to pay - in return.

Dosen't really take that long to agree principles behind closed doors then, after December or whenever, hold a few summits to thrash out the last details and play brinkmanship over the fees/free movement and everyone emerges triumphant into the sunlight.

We get some bells and whistles on free movement stopping people coming over here to take un/low skilled work that isn't viable without housing benefit/tax credits/free NHS (unless their own country offers similar levels which exempts France Germany etc.) they still get much of our contribution which they can ill afford to lose and six months later then France and Germany see to it that EU will implement same free movement restrictions throughout the EU (without any reduction in payments by us of course which become our EFTA "Barnet Formula").

We leave, set up our own trade deals outside the EU, carry on in EFTA and see what happens for a few years. If, in a decade or so EU is a much smaller portion of our trade, we have healthy agriculture, our seas are full of fish because we have replaced CAP/CFP with our own rules, we start handbagging for contribution reductions in the same way as Thatcher got our rebate. The won't want to lose all our contributions if they say no and we leave so will cave in.

Job done.
So easy to negotiate with the EU; looks like we're going to get all we want. Phewee.

Just the teensy weensy slightest doubt, however, that it will be such plain sailing. I mean this is the organisation that the Leavers say gave us such a shocking deal a matter of a few months ago.
Yes but we now have a Remainer leading the country, so the EU may be a bit more amenable
And she can conduct negotiations on the basis of "I didn't want this any more than you do, but we are where we are".

I'm optimistic of a soft landing for the first time since the vote. As I put it this morning I voted remain, but now I'm a belEEAver, and I suspect that position is quite widespread.

We shall see. Interesting to hear one of La Leadsom's dimwitted MP supporters trying to structure the debate in terms similar to : "May has said Brexit means Brexit, hence no Norwegian model...."

Of course a) May has said no such thing (about Norway); and b) a lot of people, not perhaps BelEEAvers, perhaps Anti-Foreignevers, will remain unhappy.

Such is life, I suppose.

rottenborough · July 2016

TwistedFireStopper said:

murali_s said:

AndyJS said:
Diane Abbott on C4 News dubs Angela Eagle "The Empire Strikes Back" candidate.
Does anyone take Diane Abbott seriously? She's comedy gold...
The fact that she is probably one of Labour's "big beasts" should make you worried.

Doesn't Luke lose his arm in a fight with Vader in Empire?

MaxPB · July 2016

HYUFD said:
11% of Londoners want it to be independent post Brexit, 23% want the London Assembly replaced with a London Parliament like Holyrood
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/eleven-per-cent-of-people-want-london-to-become-a-separate-country-after-brexit-vote-a3292701.html

Not really a massive "movement" is it.

JackW · July 2016

foxinsoxuk said:
Its all a bit like Hitler's Birthday party in the bunker, as the bombs and shells fall. The level of disconnect from reality is extraordinary.

My respect for Eagle increases. She is the only one with the guts to put herself on the line.

More like Stauffenberg's coup in 1944 ....

rottenborough · July 2016

fitalass said:
Will Larry the cat remain in No10, or leave with the Camerons?

Twitter
Larry the Cat ‏@Number10cat 2h2 hours ago
Does anyone know a good cat groomer available tomorrow? I need to make a good impression on someone on Wednesday...

I thought he was Osborne's cat?

foxinsoxuk · July 2016

Pulpstar said:
Interesting to read that Eagle is a very good chess player.

She must full well know she is Tom Watson's gambit pawn.

The pawn that makes its move may well become Queen...

Moses_ · July 2016

@peter from Putney FPT ...thanks for the advice.

Moses_ · July 2016

Sky news interview on now,

Christine Shawcroft members rep on the NEC does not understand why a challenge to Corbyn is taking place given he got biggest mandate of any leader only 10 months ago. She states she will also vote tomorrow to ensure Corbyn is on the ballot.

Krypes make it stop...I just cannot eat anymore popcorn.

EPG · July 2016

TOPPING said:

Paul_Bedfordshire said:
@RobD said in previous thread: A deal in under five months? Interesting!

The deal is already there. We leave the EU and join EFTA/EEA. Not exactly difficult to draft that.

All that has to be decided is what concessions on free movement they will agree and how much Danegeld (in membership fees higher per capita than Norway) that - they will demand/we are prepared to pay - in return.

Dosen't really take that long to agree principles behind closed doors then, after December or whenever, hold a few summits to thrash out the last details and play brinkmanship over the fees/free movement and everyone emerges triumphant into the sunlight.

We get some bells and whistles on free movement stopping people coming over here to take un/low skilled work that isn't viable without housing benefit/tax credits/free NHS (unless their own country offers similar levels which exempts France Germany etc.) they still get much of our contribution which they can ill afford to lose and six months later then France and Germany see to it that EU will implement same free movement restrictions throughout the EU (without any reduction in payments by us of course which become our EFTA "Barnet Formula").

We leave, set up our own trade deals outside the EU, carry on in EFTA and see what happens for a few years. If, in a decade or so EU is a much smaller portion of our trade, we have healthy agriculture, our seas are full of fish because we have replaced CAP/CFP with our own rules, we start handbagging for contribution reductions in the same way as Thatcher got our rebate. The won't want to lose all our contributions if they say no and we leave so will cave in.

Job done.
So easy to negotiate with the EU; looks like we're going to get all we want. Phewee.

Just the teensy weensy slightest doubt, however, that it will be such plain sailing. I mean this is the organisation that the Leavers say gave us such a shocking deal a matter of a few months ago.

The evil genius jailers have become the happy-clappy supplicants overnight.

HYUFD · July 2016

JackW said:
Quite amazing that the Sky Data poll found 18% thought Jezza would be the better PM. Although he didn't quite beat the "Don't Knows".

Bless ....

Yes, he managed to get over half the percentage Ed Miliband won last May, onwards and upwards Jezza!

AndyJS · July 2016

"Harman: Theresa May must ‘deliver for women’"

http://leftfootforward.org/2016/07/harman-theresa-may-must-deliver-for-women/

foxinsoxuk · July 2016

JackW said:

foxinsoxuk said:
Its all a bit like Hitler's Birthday party in the bunker, as the bombs and shells fall. The level of disconnect from reality is extraordinary.

My respect for Eagle increases. She is the only one with the guts to put herself on the line.
More like Stauffenberg's coup in 1944 ....

Possibly.

The choice for sensible Labour is to fight or to become extinct. Only one option has a chance of political survival.

TwistedFireStopper · July 2016

AndyJS said:
"Harman: Theresa May must ‘deliver for women’"

http://leftfootforward.org/2016/07/harman-theresa-may-must-deliver-for-women/

Because Labour can't.

AramintaMoonbeamQC · July 2016

Just when it looked like we might be entering a period of calm and stability, along come the Labour Party. Their commitment to giving us something to LOL about is much appreciated.

Young Corbynite on Twitter asking what Labour need to do to win Scotland back from the SNP. Will you tell him, or shall I?

surbiton · July 2016

HYUFD said:

JackW said:
Quite amazing that the Sky Data poll found 18% thought Jezza would be the better PM. Although he didn't quite beat the "Don't Knows".

Bless ....
Yes, he managed to get over half the percentage Ed Miliband won last May, onwards and upwards Jezza!

I think the comparable figure would be the percentage who thought Ed would make the best PM. Cameron always led his party.

fitalass · July 2016

TheScreamingEagles said:
https://twitter.com/DMcCaffreySKY/status/752556850319679488

The Labour party Leadership rules have been tested to the limit, and have proved to be totally unfit for purpose over the last couple of weeks. It seems incredible that Corbyn will even attempt to get on a Leadership ballot without the PLP nominations required?! You simple cannot run the main Opposition party, never mind a Government without the support of your Parliamentary colleagues however popular you are among the grassroots? Will Corbyn really lead the Labour party down a disastrous blind alley to obscurity over a battle for the Labour party brand?

fitalass · July 2016

TwistedFireStopper said:

AndyJS said:
"Harman: Theresa May must ‘deliver for women’"

http://leftfootforward.org/2016/07/harman-theresa-may-must-deliver-for-women/
Because Labour can't.

Priceless!

FrankBooth · July 2016

I think I'm right in saying that Owen Smith was the Labour candidate in the Blaenau Gwent by election in 2006. He lost to Independent Dai Davies, Peter Law's agent.

surbiton · July 2016

rottenborough said:

fitalass said:
Will Larry the cat remain in No10, or leave with the Camerons?

Twitter
Larry the Cat ‏@Number10cat 2h2 hours ago
Does anyone know a good cat groomer available tomorrow? I need to make a good impression on someone on Wednesday...
I thought he was Osborne's cat?

Officially, Larry belongs to the Cabinet Office.

JackW · July 2016

williamglenn said:

JackW said:
Quite amazing that the Sky Data poll found 18% thought Jezza would be the better PM. Although he didn't quite beat the "Don't Knows".

Bless ....
Presumably they were the "Don't know who Corbyn is" group?

Possibly .... or Status Quo - "we're too polite to kick a man when he's down, down, deeper and down."

RobD · July 2016

AndyJS said:
"Harman: Theresa May must ‘deliver for women’"

http://leftfootforward.org/2016/07/harman-theresa-may-must-deliver-for-women/

No. She must deliver for all.

Paristonda · July 2016

Ishmael_X said:

HYUFD said:

Yes but we now have a Remainer leading the country, so the EU may be a bit more amenable
And she can conduct negotiations on the basis of "I didn't want this any more than you do, but we are where we are".

I'm optimistic of a soft landing for the first time since the vote. As I put it this morning I voted remain, but now I'm a belEEAver, and I suspect that position is quite widespread.

I am one of the rare true europhile/support the idea of ever closer union types - but as it's clear the UK is on a ever diverging path from the rest of the EU, I think an EEA type solution is the best option we have left, and we should go for it - no second votes or parliament blockages of brexit. The EEA option is not perfect, but it is a good compromise all round. If May can deliver a successful brexit-lite then she may put the europe question to bed. I'm no tory but am mildly optimistic for the first time since June 23rd.

foxinsoxuk · July 2016

surbiton said:

rottenborough said:

fitalass said:
Will Larry the cat remain in No10, or leave with the Camerons?

Twitter
Larry the Cat ‏@Number10cat 2h2 hours ago
Does anyone know a good cat groomer available tomorrow? I need to make a good impression on someone on Wednesday...
I thought he was Osborne's cat?
Officially, Larry belongs to the Cabinet Office.

I think you are mistaken concerning the power structures of felines.

The Cabinet Office belongs to Larry.

tlg86 · July 2016

So who isn't watching Trainspotting Live on BBC 4?

AndyJS · July 2016

FrankBooth said:
I think I'm right in saying that Owen Smith was the Labour candidate in the Blaenau Gwent by election in 2006. He lost to Independent Dai Davies, Peter Law's agent.

He also turned Pontypridd from a rock-solid Labour seat into a marginal in 2010.

John_M · July 2016

AndyJS said:
"Harman: Theresa May must ‘deliver for women’"

http://leftfootforward.org/2016/07/harman-theresa-may-must-deliver-for-women/

Keep polishing your pink bus, love.

AndyJS · July 2016

tlg86 said:
So who isn't watching Trainspotting Live on BBC 4?

A new series of University Challenge has just started on BBC2.

felix · July 2016

AndyJS said:
"Harman: Theresa May must ‘deliver for women’"

http://leftfootforward.org/2016/07/harman-theresa-may-must-deliver-for-women/

Labour really don't get this uniting the country malarkey do they?

fitalass · July 2016

rottenborough said:

fitalass said:
Will Larry the cat remain in No10, or leave with the Camerons?

Twitter
Larry the Cat ‏@Number10cat 2h2 hours ago
Does anyone know a good cat groomer available tomorrow? I need to make a good impression on someone on Wednesday...
I thought he was Osborne's cat?

No, Larry is the No10 cat, the Osborne's cat Freya is the tabby that lives with them next door. I believe that Freya elected herself boss cat in Downing Street without much of a fight from Larry.

rottenborough · July 2016

John_M said:

AndyJS said:
"Harman: Theresa May must ‘deliver for women’"

http://leftfootforward.org/2016/07/harman-theresa-may-must-deliver-for-women/
Keep polishing your pink bus, love.

at least that's more positive than cleaning behind the fridge.

John_M · July 2016

fitalass said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
https://twitter.com/DMcCaffreySKY/status/752556850319679488
The Labour party Leadership rules have been tested to the limit, and have proved to be totally unfit for purpose over the last couple of weeks. It seems incredible that Corbyn will even attempt to get on a Leadership ballot without the PLP nominations required?! You simple cannot run the main Opposition party, never mind a Government without the support of your Parliamentary colleagues however popular you are among the grassroots? Will Corbyn really lead the Labour party down a disastrous blind alley to obscurity over a battle for the Labour party brand?

File under "Questions to which the answer is: Yes".

Pulpstar · July 2016

fitalass said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
https://twitter.com/DMcCaffreySKY/status/752556850319679488
The Labour party Leadership rules have been tested to the limit, and have proved to be totally unfit for purpose over the last couple of weeks. It seems incredible that Corbyn will even attempt to get on a Leadership ballot without the PLP nominations required?! You simple cannot run the main Opposition party, never mind a Government without the support of your Parliamentary colleagues however popular you are among the grassroots? Will Corbyn really lead the Labour party down a disastrous blind alley to obscurity over a battle for the Labour party brand?

No, the Labour rulebook is very very clear actually.
Watto just doesn't like what it says and is trying to rig it the wrong way.

Fenster · July 2016

JackW said:

foxinsoxuk said:
Its all a bit like Hitler's Birthday party in the bunker, as the bombs and shells fall. The level of disconnect from reality is extraordinary.

My respect for Eagle increases. She is the only one with the guts to put herself on the line.
More like Stauffenberg's coup in 1944 ....

I hope she doesn't put the dynamite up against Watson's leg. The assassination will never work.

rottenborough · July 2016

AndyJS said:

FrankBooth said:
I think I'm right in saying that Owen Smith was the Labour candidate in the Blaenau Gwent by election in 2006. He lost to Independent Dai Davies, Peter Law's agent.
He also turned Pontypridd from a rock-solid Labour seat into a marginal in 2010.

Presumably one of these two rebels/moderators will redraw before the Corbyn showdown?

AndyJS · July 2016

It was funny hearing Krishnan Guru-Murthy asking Diane Abbott whether she thought Angela Eagle was Darth Vader.

rottenborough · July 2016

Fenster said:

JackW said:

foxinsoxuk said:
Its all a bit like Hitler's Birthday party in the bunker, as the bombs and shells fall. The level of disconnect from reality is extraordinary.

My respect for Eagle increases. She is the only one with the guts to put herself on the line.
More like Stauffenberg's coup in 1944 ....

I hope she doesn't put the dynamite up against Watson's leg. The assassination will never work.

Downfall, what a fine film. And source of endless parody.

Where are the Unite battalions to the North?

rottenborough · July 2016

fitalass said:

rottenborough said:

fitalass said:
Will Larry the cat remain in No10, or leave with the Camerons?

Twitter
Larry the Cat ‏@Number10cat 2h2 hours ago
Does anyone know a good cat groomer available tomorrow? I need to make a good impression on someone on Wednesday...
I thought he was Osborne's cat?
No, Larry is the No10 cat, the Osborne's cat Freya is the tabby that lives with them next door. I believe that Freya elected herself boss cat in Downing Street without much of a fight from Larry.

So Larry could be back as Top Cat, when Osborne moves to FO?

tlg86 · July 2016

AndyJS said:

tlg86 said:
So who isn't watching Trainspotting Live on BBC 4?
A new series of University Challenge has just started on BBC2.

Damn it, I'll have to catch up with that on the iPlayer.

Scrapheap_as_was · July 2016

AndyJS said:
It was funny hearing Krishnan Guru-Murthy asking Diane Abbott whether she thought Angela Eagle was Darth Vader.

and whether she was princess leia, which I'd posted here this morning!

foxinsoxuk · July 2016

tlg86 said:
So who isn't watching Trainspotting Live on BBC 4?

Currently delayed arrival of 66789.

Beyond satire and compulsive viewing...

AndyJS · July 2016

foxinsoxuk said:

Alanbrooke said:

murali_s said:

AndyJS said:
Diane Abbott on C4 News dubs Angela Eagle "The Empire Strikes Back" candidate.
Does anyone take Diane Abbott seriously? She's comedy gold...
she's also shadow health secretary. Is the NHS now a joke in Labour circles ?
Its all a bit like Hitler's Birthday party in the bunker, as the bombs and shells fall. The level of disconnect from reality is extraordinary.

My respect for Eagle increases. She is the only one with the guts to put herself on the line.

Corbyn has spent this evening addressing the Cuba Solidarity Campaign.

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