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Before I have to get back to work, I've been working on some numbers on how many "unity" Tory MPs there are and how many are still in the die hard Leave camp.
So far I think there are about 100 die hards and the rest were remain or previous leave now looking at any of the candidates based on merit rather than through the prism of referendum.0 -
I think we may be seeing a large degree of tribal loyalty now PM May looks home and hosed. I do not recall seeing much love expressed for the Home Secretary over the last six years.JohnO said:IIRC thus far, of all the Conservative members posting here, is Plato the only one to declare for Leadsom with May capturing literally every one else? Can't recall that Gove, Crabb and Fox have attracted any votes. It's a sign I tell you....
And either Leadsom is the devil incarnate or a memo went round to trash her. Crabb and Fox were let off lightly -- no-hopers, presumably.
Gove did to the party what he did to the teachers: pointlessly alienating people who ought naturally to have been on his side. If only he'd persuaded or even blackmailed Boris into standing aside instead of publicly humiliating him and (worse) his followers. Gove is just no damn good at politics.0 -
It's excellent spin work. Given how useless the PLP are at actually fronting up an alternative candidate - TeamJezza has seized the tortoise speed initiative. Less than 48hrs til Chilcot...Wulfrun_Phil said:
....as opposed to Tom Watson, who is the last person I want to talk to.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
From the horse's mouth:Charles said:
Article 50 is a max of 2 years, not 2 yearsedmundintokyo said:
The problem is, when is it the last minute?MaxPB said:The idea that the EU isn't going to negotiate before we serve article 50 is stupid. We've already begun negotiating, the new PM will have the outline of a deal ready and then trigger article 50 and hammer out the details once that is done. Both sides will then claim to have got the best deal, there will be some last minute tension and at 11.59pm it will be done.
The EU isn't generally able to deal get anything seriously contentious done without an actual, proper crisis deadline, and it can't always do it even then. This sounds like it's going to be contentious, and there are going to be 28 governments that all need to go through the motions of getting the best possible deal.
With Article 50 it's easy: The deadline is 2 years after they invoke it. But it's hard to imagine basically getting the whole thing worked out then waiting 2 years before finalizing it, so what's going to make this actually happen if it isn't the Article 50 timetable?
"3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period."0 -
The PT is still the PT. But next door is the (Jazz) Cellar (either that or the Cellar moved next door). The PT is more directly affiliated with the Union, but they share a building...Charles said:
It was briefly the Purple Turtle I believe!TheWhiteRabbit said:
How times change.Pulpstar said:https://twitter.com/kingsleydc/status/249819350779981824
Our next PM potentially
It's just called "Cellar" now.0 -
@achrisevans: Stepping down from Top Gear. Gave it my best shot but sometimes that's not enough. The team are beyond brilliant, I wish them all the best.0
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Russia is the 9th biggest economy and doesn't get a great deal from the EU, even before the Crimea incursion. Size isn't everything.PlatoSaid said:
I get increasingly bored by nay-sayers who claim we'd be lucky to get a deal like Norway. We're 5th largest economy, Norway is 13th.John_M said:
That's an excellent point. Our #1 export market is the US. China is #5 on our import list. No hablo FTAs with either. The US has a grand total of 20 FTAs.david_kendrick1 said:
We don't need trade deals deals with the rest of the world. We've never had a trade deal with the US. Over 1M Brits work for American companies, and over 1M Yanks work for Briish companies. Trade deals are vastly over-rated.Scott_P said:
Bollocksdavid_kendrick1 said:May explained that she was going to delegate the job of negotiating Brexit to a minister who backed Leave.
That on its own ought to disqualify her as PM material.
Those negotiations aren't just one of the jobs of the next PM They ought to be his prime focus---pretty much his only concern. It is absolutely key. This is personal to the PM. The harder, and better he works and achieves with our European friends, the better for all of us.
If the Brexiteers are right, we also need to be negotiating with all of the the other trading nations in the World.
Are they less important than the EU, in which case the case for leaving has a slight problem?
Trade deals are immaterial (except at the margin, with out-of-date restrictive groups like the EU). That is where the new PM should concentrate, and really only there because of recent history.
If there were no EU, we'd probably want to do trade deals with 9 or 10 of the EU27, tops.
I'm not saying they don't matter, of course. It'd take a lot of spade work to figure out what the UK's economic priorities should be. More than I'm prepared to do, unpaid
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It's such a bizarre self-defeating mindset. I genuinely have no idea who'd seriously think like this, especially so if they were from a commercial negotiation background.0 -
That will make the next series (if they keep Matt Le Blanc) far more appealing...Scott_P said:@achrisevans: Stepping down from Top Gear. Gave it my best shot but sometimes that's not enough. The team are beyond brilliant, I wish them all the best.
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I have to disagree Andy. I think Gove will go out without ever looking like winning, whether it is on the first or second ballot or by withdrawing.AndyJS said:Gove surely has to be value at 15/1 with Betfair. If he gets into the last three (and he almost certainly will) he's bound to come down to about half of that at least.
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Top Gear needs a new leader as well!0
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I do think that Corbyn holding on, has shown how to deal with the 24 hour rolling news need for activity and narrative - just ignore it. Impetus, momentum, narrative, all are subservient to process, position and authority (!) provided you can hack the pressure.PlatoSaid said:
It's excellent spin work. Given how useless the PLP are at actually fronting up an alternative candidate - TeamJezza has seized the tortoise speed initiative. Less than 48hrs til Chilcot...Wulfrun_Phil said:
....as opposed to Tom Watson, who is the last person I want to talk to.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
"It also says 'the leading IN candidate Theresa May, and the leading OUT candidate Michael Gove."PlatoSaid said:
The text isToryJim said:BBC are running about a Vote Leave email that fails to thank Leadsom whilst thanking everyone else. Also refers to leadership election but mentions Gove and May but nobody else. Hmm.
"This campaign did not win because of support in Westminster - it won because of support in the country that has forced Westminster to listen. But three MPs in particular worked closely together and helped us win: Michael Gove (Conservative), Boris Johnson (Conservative), and Gisela Stuart (Labour) who was also a wonderful Chair. We want to thank all three of them too. They put their careers and reputations on the line. THANK YOU Boris, Gisela, and Michael. Thank you too to other MPs of all parties who helped, such as Anne-Marie Trevelyan and Graham Stringer."
Then recommends following Mr Cummings blog for future 'developments'
The whole think looks like a crude attempt to use the Vote Leave email list to help Mr Gove in his attempt to be the Leave candidate rather than Ms Leadsom.
Tacky.
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@JamieRoss7:
David Cameron: Resigned
Roy Hodgson: Resigned
Nigel Farage: Resigned
Chris Evans: Resigned
Jeremy Corbyn: Lol0 -
It would be possible to get agreement to a longer timetable, if we wanted, before submitting the notice. The leverage of not having submitted the notice might help get the agreement. Since experts reckon it will take at least four or five years to disentangle everything, what's to lose?John_M said:
From the horse's mouth:Charles said:
Article 50 is a max of 2 years, not 2 yearsedmundintokyo said:
The problem is, when is it the last minute?MaxPB said:The idea that the EU isn't going to negotiate before we serve article 50 is stupid. We've already begun negotiating, the new PM will have the outline of a deal ready and then trigger article 50 and hammer out the details once that is done. Both sides will then claim to have got the best deal, there will be some last minute tension and at 11.59pm it will be done.
The EU isn't generally able to deal get anything seriously contentious done without an actual, proper crisis deadline, and it can't always do it even then. This sounds like it's going to be contentious, and there are going to be 28 governments that all need to go through the motions of getting the best possible deal.
With Article 50 it's easy: The deadline is 2 years after they invoke it. But it's hard to imagine basically getting the whole thing worked out then waiting 2 years before finalizing it, so what's going to make this actually happen if it isn't the Article 50 timetable?
"3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period."0 -
I see Shouty McShouty is having an awkward meeting this weekTwistedFireStopper said:Top Gear needs a new leader as well!
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/chris-evans-faces-sex-assault-claims-87nmcjn9z0 -
Top Gear presenter Chris Evans facing sexual assault probe
Police have confirmed that they are investigating allegations of sexual assault, after Chris Evans was accused of grabbing the breasts of a female colleague in the…
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Somewhere Jeremy Clarkson is laughing his head off!!TwistedFireStopper said:Top Gear needs a new leader as well!
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I genuinely believe all we know for sure about tomorrow's vote is that May wins - beyond that anything is possible.TheWhiteRabbit said:
I have to disagree Andy. I think Gove will go out without ever looking like winning, whether it is on the first or second ballot or by withdrawing.AndyJS said:Gove surely has to be value at 15/1 with Betfair. If he gets into the last three (and he almost certainly will) he's bound to come down to about half of that at least.
The value must be in betting against May - when it's a two horse race her odds have to lengthen for a while.0 -
On Amazon...ToryJim said:
Somewhere Jeremy Clarkson is laughing his head off!!TwistedFireStopper said:Top Gear needs a new leader as well!
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Yesterday some of them seemed to be thinking along the lines of Corbyn as leader in the country and AN Other as leader in parliament, on the back of McCluskey's comments. Perhaps they need to use the possibility of Corbyn not being allowed to re-stand to lever him into it?Jobabob said:
He isn't but he takes an interest in the machinations of the party. I just thought it was worth mentioning.MaxPB said:
It's the party members that are the issue, if you challenge Corbyn outright to a leadership race he probably still wins on the back of £3 voters. Labour are left in the pathetic position of hoping he will resign for the greater good. I also didn't realise Portillo had become a Labour constitutional expert.Jobabob said:
It's the bloody rules that are preventing the deposition, not the will!!
That all said, Portillo thinks that Corbyn will need nominations (which he won't get) – says the incumbency rule won't stand up in court because Corbyn doesn't have the support of the PLP.0 -
The EU can't sort out anything including procuring paper clips in 2 years. We need to delay things a while just to make sure everything one is prepared.edmundintokyo said:
Sure, but the deadline is at the end of 2 years, and the EU can't get anything done without a deadline.Charles said:
Article 50 is a max of 2 years, not 2 yearsedmundintokyo said:
The problem is, when is it the last minute?MaxPB said:The idea that the EU isn't going to negotiate before we serve article 50 is stupid. We've already begun negotiating, the new PM will have the outline of a deal ready and then trigger article 50 and hammer out the details once that is done. Both sides will then claim to have got the best deal, there will be some last minute tension and at 11.59pm it will be done.
The EU isn't generally able to deal get anything seriously contentious done without an actual, proper crisis deadline, and it can't always do it even then. This sounds like it's going to be contentious, and there are going to be 28 governments that all need to go through the motions of getting the best possible deal.
With Article 50 it's easy: The deadline is 2 years after they invoke it. But it's hard to imagine basically getting the whole thing worked out then waiting 2 years before finalizing it, so what's going to make this actually happen if it isn't the Article 50 timetable?
Remember that when Article 50 was created with its 2 year limit no-one ever expected anyone to actually use it...0 -
Totally agree, they feed on frenzy. Keep your nerve.DearPB said:
I do think that Corbyn holding on, has shown how to deal with the 24 hour rolling news need for activity and narrative - just ignore it. Impetus, momentum, narrative, all are subservient to process, position and authority (!) provided you can hack the pressure.PlatoSaid said:
It's excellent spin work. Given how useless the PLP are at actually fronting up an alternative candidate - TeamJezza has seized the tortoise speed initiative. Less than 48hrs til Chilcot...Wulfrun_Phil said:
....as opposed to Tom Watson, who is the last person I want to talk to.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Yep.anotherDave said:
The bod at Vote Leave is Mr Gove's right hand man, isn't he?PlatoSaid said:
The text isToryJim said:BBC are running about a Vote Leave email that fails to thank Leadsom whilst thanking everyone else. Also refers to leadership election but mentions Gove and May but nobody else. Hmm.
"This campaign did not win because of support in Westminster - it won because of support in the country that has forced Westminster to listen. But three MPs in particular worked closely together and helped us win: Michael Gove (Conservative), Boris Johnson (Conservative), and Gisela Stuart (Labour) who was also a wonderful Chair. We want to thank all three of them too. They put their careers and reputations on the line. THANK YOU Boris, Gisela, and Michael. Thank you too to other MPs of all parties who helped, such as Anne-Marie Trevelyan and Graham Stringer."
The mail ends with:
"P.S. If you want to keep in touch with events after we have won, then follow the private blog of our Campaign Director, Dominic Cummings - CLICK HERE. If we ever want to send up a ‘bat signal’ that Westminster is cheating the vote and we need to form a new movement, you will see the bat signal there…"
And Dom will come out of his cave in his tights..
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Ouch!
@paulwaugh
Education minister Ed Timpson says "work experience" v imp for many children - as seen with "many on the Opposition frontbenches" right now0 -
Liam Fox seems to have lost one of his nine supporters today according to Guido's spreadsheet. Not sure who it was, I should have taken a snapshot yesterday:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19mKbV0UnIbX_lbiinKiquP0ghiFpsMl0owUO6_TJyzI/htmlview?usp=sharing&pref=2&pli=1&sle=true0 -
Nick Boles jokingly welcomes Ms Rayner to her post, replacing the "long serving and honourable" Pat Glass - who resigned after two days.0
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@paulwaugh: Woah, not good for Corbyn. Fabian Hamilton quits as Shad Europe Minister. 1 of few who refused to vote for no conf motion (h/t @TomMcTague)0
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Gray, no?AndyJS said:Liam Fox seems to have lost one of his nine supporters today according to Guido's spreadsheet. Not sure who it was, I should have taken a snapshot yesterday:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19mKbV0UnIbX_lbiinKiquP0ghiFpsMl0owUO6_TJyzI/htmlview?usp=sharing&pref=2&pli=1&sle=true0 -
May's a teetotallet because of her diabetes you muppet. It's hard enough to control blood sugar without drinking..Jobabob said:So to summarise... A leader for hard times:
Gove – a gossipy backstabber who treats the UK like an Oxford debating society
Leadsom – a Platoite far right frother funded by Ukip who was a europhile until 2013
Crabb – a bible basher who thinks homosexuality is a disease that can be cured
Fox – Liam Fox, Fox, Fox
May – a teetotal 60-year-old lady with bags of experience who spends her holidays hill walking with her husband
Now let me think.
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Ben Riley Smith
Another day, another Labour resignation -- Fabian Hamilton has quit as shadow Europe minister.
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It helps when there are other things going on!PlatoSaid said:
Totally agree, they feed on frenzy. Keep your nerve.DearPB said:
I do think that Corbyn holding on, has shown how to deal with the 24 hour rolling news need for activity and narrative - just ignore it. Impetus, momentum, narrative, all are subservient to process, position and authority (!) provided you can hack the pressure.PlatoSaid said:
It's excellent spin work. Given how useless the PLP are at actually fronting up an alternative candidate - TeamJezza has seized the tortoise speed initiative. Less than 48hrs til Chilcot...Wulfrun_Phil said:
....as opposed to Tom Watson, who is the last person I want to talk to.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Plenty of Type 1 diabetics drink, although you can't really binge. This is actually a significant driver of chronic hyperglycemia in young people - though the insulin pump is the way forward there.Charles said:
May's a teetotallet because of her diabetes you muppet. It's hard enough to control blood sugar without drinking..Jobabob said:So to summarise... A leader for hard times:
Gove – a gossipy backstabber who treats the UK like an Oxford debating society
Leadsom – a Platoite far right frother funded by Ukip who was a europhile until 2013
Crabb – a bible basher who thinks homosexuality is a disease that can be cured
Fox – Liam Fox, Fox, Fox
May – a teetotal 60-year-old lady with bags of experience who spends her holidays hill walking with her husband
Now let me think.0 -
Isnt Crabb's "homosexuality is a disease that can be cured" not from him but from a church he has being involved in and sourced his staffers from?Charles said:
May's a teetotallet because of her diabetes you muppet. It's hard enough to control blood sugar without drinking..Jobabob said:So to summarise... A leader for hard times:
Gove – a gossipy backstabber who treats the UK like an Oxford debating society
Leadsom – a Platoite far right frother funded by Ukip who was a europhile until 2013
Crabb – a bible basher who thinks homosexuality is a disease that can be cured
Fox – Liam Fox, Fox, Fox
May – a teetotal 60-year-old lady with bags of experience who spends her holidays hill walking with her husband
Now let me think.
Hope no MP has sourced staff from a local islamic or catholic organisation. While the church he was involved in might think that homosexuality can be cured, islam thinks the only cure involves getting thrown off a tall building.0 -
Is there any need to respond like that? Totally uncalled for and I hadn't suggested otherwise. I am aware she is Type 1 diabetic.Charles said:
May's a teetotallet because of her diabetes you muppet. It's hard enough to control blood sugar without drinking..Jobabob said:So to summarise... A leader for hard times:
Gove – a gossipy backstabber who treats the UK like an Oxford debating society
Leadsom – a Platoite far right frother funded by Ukip who was a europhile until 2013
Crabb – a bible basher who thinks homosexuality is a disease that can be cured
Fox – Liam Fox, Fox, Fox
May – a teetotal 60-year-old lady with bags of experience who spends her holidays hill walking with her husband
Now let me think.0 -
Scott_P said:
@paulwaugh: Woah, not good for Corbyn. Fabian Hamilton quits as Shad Europe Minister. 1 of few who refused to vote for no conf motion (h/t @TomMcTague)
C.F. will be next.0 -
Having sex with anonymised individuals sounds like an interesting night out!Pulpstar said:
You can anonymise individuals and still hav their age, sex, VI etc etcTheWhiteRabbit said:
What's left? Voter demographics?PlatoSaid said:
That's all deleted.TheWhiteRabbit said:
what's in their database? no personal information surely.PlatoSaid said:
VoteLeave are about to publish their whole database - for free. It's a huge resource.eek said:
Let's be honest. How many on here would be surprised by that...AlastairMeeks said:
At a wild guess, UKIP gaining dramatically at Labour's expense?Jobabob said:
It's hard to imagine what an 'exciting' Welsh poll looks like.AlastairMeeks said:Now here's a teaser:
https://twitter.com/roger_scully/status/749942620198150144
Plaid Cymru on 50%??
From their email
"We did new things. Nobody in the UK has ever successfully built a web-based electoral database. Companies have spent millions and failed. We did it in a few months and succeeded. The combination of this database, our digital communication effort and our ground campaign broke new ground for political campaigns. This database product is worth a lot of money. We will shortly put the code online so that everyone can use it for free in the future (keep an eye on Github if interested). Hopefully it will help other campaigns give the public a powerful voice as we have. We’ve shown political parties how they can change and stop ignoring large parts of the country.
Why is this important? The British political system is broken in many ways and needs big changes - the EU is not our only problem. Our campaign was never controlled by any party though there were great people from all parties who helped us. All the parties have very deep problems. The way they are structured incentivises MPs to focus on themselves and their party - not the public interest..."0 -
Let's makes this easier... Anyone not resigning?
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1.44 -> 1.5 looks a fair price for Fox last place tommorow.0
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Smearing Crabb with the 'gay cure' nonsense is an example of the Internet at its absolute worst. There are plenty of reasons why he's not the best candidate. That isn't one of them.notme said:
Isnt Crabb's "homosexuality is a disease that can be cured" not from him but from a church he has being involved in and sourced his staffers from?Charles said:
May's a teetotallet because of her diabetes you muppet. It's hard enough to control blood sugar without drinking..Jobabob said:So to summarise... A leader for hard times:
Gove – a gossipy backstabber who treats the UK like an Oxford debating society
Leadsom – a Platoite far right frother funded by Ukip who was a europhile until 2013
Crabb – a bible basher who thinks homosexuality is a disease that can be cured
Fox – Liam Fox, Fox, Fox
May – a teetotal 60-year-old lady with bags of experience who spends her holidays hill walking with her husband
Now let me think.
Hope no MP has sourced staff from a local islamic or catholic organisation. While the church he was involved in might think that homosexuality can be cured, islam thinks the only cure involves getting thrown off a tall building.0 -
Might have something to do with Labour's anti-Semitism controversy.Scott_P said:@paulwaugh: Woah, not good for Corbyn. Fabian Hamilton quits as Shad Europe Minister. 1 of few who refused to vote for no conf motion (h/t @TomMcTague)
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CorbynMarkHopkins said:
Let's makes this easier... Anyone not resigning?0 -
Could be. He's now supporting Leadsom.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Gray, no?AndyJS said:Liam Fox seems to have lost one of his nine supporters today according to Guido's spreadsheet. Not sure who it was, I should have taken a snapshot yesterday:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19mKbV0UnIbX_lbiinKiquP0ghiFpsMl0owUO6_TJyzI/htmlview?usp=sharing&pref=2&pli=1&sle=true0 -
I've taken it. I think it's a little long, but not big money.Pulpstar said:1.44 -> 1.5 looks a fair price for Fox last place tommorow.
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In this case it has sod all to do with nerve and everything to do with being locked in a bunker by the frothers of the far leftPlatoSaid said:
Totally agree, they feed on frenzy. Keep your nerve.DearPB said:
I do think that Corbyn holding on, has shown how to deal with the 24 hour rolling news need for activity and narrative - just ignore it. Impetus, momentum, narrative, all are subservient to process, position and authority (!) provided you can hack the pressure.PlatoSaid said:
It's excellent spin work. Given how useless the PLP are at actually fronting up an alternative candidate - TeamJezza has seized the tortoise speed initiative. Less than 48hrs til Chilcot...Wulfrun_Phil said:
....as opposed to Tom Watson, who is the last person I want to talk to.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Jezza is answering Select Committee q's at 4pm.
http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/home-affairs-committee/news-parliament-2015/160701-antisemitism-ev/0 -
Charlie FalconerScott_P said:
CorbynMarkHopkins said:
Let's makes this easier... Anyone not resigning?0 -
"Malcolm Turnbull's Coalition Government is facing a desperate fight to hang on to a majority in Parliament. On the count so far it has won at least 68 seats, eight fewer than the 76 needed to command a majority in the Lower House.
While Bill Shorten and Labor also look set to fall short of being able to form a majority government, they have staged an amazing comeback that has again highlighted the volatility of modern Australian politics."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-03/election-results-what-just-happened/75539160 -
I've taken a tiny hit on the Aus elections (Lab + 12.5 (I don't trust their analysis wrt postal votes one bit) and headed in for £40 to this market.TheWhiteRabbit said:
I've taken it. I think it's a little long, but not big money.Pulpstar said:1.44 -> 1.5 looks a fair price for Fox last place tommorow.
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Thats not what you argued originallyedmundintokyo said:
Sure, but the deadline is at the end of 2 years, and the EU can't get anything done without a deadline.Charles said:
Article 50 is a max of 2 years, not 2 yearsedmundintokyo said:
The problem is, when is it the last minute?MaxPB said:The idea that the EU isn't going to negotiate before we serve article 50 is stupid. We've already begun negotiating, the new PM will have the outline of a deal ready and then trigger article 50 and hammer out the details once that is done. Both sides will then claim to have got the best deal, there will be some last minute tension and at 11.59pm it will be done.
The EU isn't generally able to deal get anything seriously contentious done without an actual, proper crisis deadline, and it can't always do it even then. This sounds like it's going to be contentious, and there are going to be 28 governments that all need to go through the motions of getting the best possible deal.
With Article 50 it's easy: The deadline is 2 years after they invoke it. But it's hard to imagine basically getting the whole thing worked out then waiting 2 years before finalizing it, so what's going to make this actually happen if it isn't the Article 50 timetable?0 -
Siraj Datoo
✔ @dats
Two Labour sources tell me that Owen Smith has more backers than Angela Eagle. Understand that many MPs "falling away" from Eagle to Smith.
3:09 PM - 4 Jul 2016
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Postal votes not counted yet, I think it will be a coalition majority. Keep an eye on "Flynn" - flips to coalition according to my analysis.AndyJS said:"Malcolm Turnbull's Coalition Government is facing a desperate fight to hang on to a majority in Parliament. On the count so far it has won at least 68 seats, eight fewer than the 76 needed to command a majority in the Lower House.
While Bill Shorten and Labor also look set to fall short of being able to form a majority government, they have staged an amazing comeback that has again highlighted the volatility of modern Australian politics."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-03/election-results-what-just-happened/75539160 -
Is the latest criticism of Leadsom that she's a fervent Kipper-type who won't ever change her mind, or that she supported EU membership a few years ago? I'm struggling to keep up.0
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And some worry that the field for the Tory Party leadership is thin!0
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Thanks, Andrea. Worth noting that a month or two ago, the centre-right were saying they were doing unusually well in NEC nominations. That seems on these figures to be entirely wrong.AndreaParma_82 said:CLP nominations for Labour NEC - Members representatives (6 to be elected, in First 6 Past the Post)
GA=Centre-Left Grassroots Alliance (some would say they can drop the "centre" bit)
LF= Labour First
Labour First, Progress and Baxter were usually recommended together as the "moderate"/"right" (depending on who was referring to them) slate.
Ann Black (GA) 301
Christine Shawcroft (GA) 189
Pete Willsman (GA) 164
Ellie Reeves (LF) 149
Claudia Webbe (GA) 145
Darren Williams (GA) 144
Bex Bailey (PROG) 132
Rhea Wolfson (GA) 130
Johanna Baxter (Ind) 123
Luke Akehurst (LF) 107
Parmjit Dhanda (PROG) 105
Eddie Izzard (Ind) 91
Peter Wheeler (LF) 87
John Gallagher (Ind) 25
Amanat Gul (Ind) 4
Anecdotally, I've been chatting to a few (four) members about a possible Corbyn-Eagle election. Three were vehemently pro-Corbyn, the fourth would have benn up for an alternative, but not Eagle because of Iraq.
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And some worry that the field for the Tory Party leadership is thin!TheWhiteRabbit said:
Siraj Datoo
✔ @dats
Two Labour sources tell me that Owen Smith has more backers than Angela Eagle. Understand that many MPs "falling away" from Eagle to Smith.
3:09 PM - 4 Jul 2016
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What did Eagle do wrt Iraq?NickPalmer said:
Thanks, Andrea. Worth noting that a month or two ago, the centre-right were saying they were doing unusually well in NEC nominations. That seems on these figures to be entirely wrong.AndreaParma_82 said:CLP nominations for Labour NEC - Members representatives (6 to be elected, in First 6 Past the Post)
GA=Centre-Left Grassroots Alliance (some would say they can drop the "centre" bit)
LF= Labour First
Labour First, Progress and Baxter were usually recommended together as the "moderate"/"right" (depending on who was referring to them) slate.
Ann Black (GA) 301
Christine Shawcroft (GA) 189
Pete Willsman (GA) 164
Ellie Reeves (LF) 149
Claudia Webbe (GA) 145
Darren Williams (GA) 144
Bex Bailey (PROG) 132
Rhea Wolfson (GA) 130
Johanna Baxter (Ind) 123
Luke Akehurst (LF) 107
Parmjit Dhanda (PROG) 105
Eddie Izzard (Ind) 91
Peter Wheeler (LF) 87
John Gallagher (Ind) 25
Amanat Gul (Ind) 4
Anecdotally, I've been chatting to a few (four) members about a possible Corbyn-Eagle election. Three were vehemently pro-Corbyn, the fourth would have benn up for an alternative, but not Eagle because of Iraq.0 -
Ah. It was a Davy's in my day.TheWhiteRabbit said:
The PT is still the PT. But next door is the (Jazz) Cellar (either that or the Cellar moved next door). The PT is more directly affiliated with the Union, but they share a building...Charles said:
It was briefly the Purple Turtle I believe!TheWhiteRabbit said:
How times change.Pulpstar said:https://twitter.com/kingsleydc/status/249819350779981824
Our next PM potentially
It's just called "Cellar" now.
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Angela Eagle won't be next Labour leader but this news is going to help me sleep a little better.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Siraj Datoo
✔ @dats
Two Labour sources tell me that Owen Smith has more backers than Angela Eagle. Understand that many MPs "falling away" from Eagle to Smith.
3:09 PM - 4 Jul 2016
Yes please0 -
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They should all do swapsies:TwistedFireStopper said:Top Gear needs a new leader as well!
Corbyn to lead UKIP
Evans to lead the Conservatives
Farage to lead Labour
Cameron to host Top Gear (his Bullingdon experience coming in useful)
It's no more ridiculous than what we've seen in the last fourteen months!
Bah! Beaten by ScottP below!0 -
Voted for it - it might not be fair but Labour have to go with someone who did not vote for the Iraq war or they'll be forever split with the membership.TheWhiteRabbit said:
What did Eagle do wrt Iraq?NickPalmer said:
Thanks, Andrea. Worth noting that a month or two ago, the centre-right were saying they were doing unusually well in NEC nominations. That seems on these figures to be entirely wrong.AndreaParma_82 said:CLP nominations for Labour NEC - Members representatives (6 to be elected, in First 6 Past the Post)
GA=Centre-Left Grassroots Alliance (some would say they can drop the "centre" bit)
LF= Labour First
Labour First, Progress and Baxter were usually recommended together as the "moderate"/"right" (depending on who was referring to them) slate.
Ann Black (GA) 301
Christine Shawcroft (GA) 189
Pete Willsman (GA) 164
Ellie Reeves (LF) 149
Claudia Webbe (GA) 145
Darren Williams (GA) 144
Bex Bailey (PROG) 132
Rhea Wolfson (GA) 130
Johanna Baxter (Ind) 123
Luke Akehurst (LF) 107
Parmjit Dhanda (PROG) 105
Eddie Izzard (Ind) 91
Peter Wheeler (LF) 87
John Gallagher (Ind) 25
Amanat Gul (Ind) 4
Anecdotally, I've been chatting to a few (four) members about a possible Corbyn-Eagle election. Three were vehemently pro-Corbyn, the fourth would have benn up for an alternative, but not Eagle because of Iraq.0 -
Voted for it.TheWhiteRabbit said:
What did Eagle do wrt Iraq?NickPalmer said:
Thanks, Andrea. Worth noting that a month or two ago, the centre-right were saying they were doing unusually well in NEC nominations. That seems on these figures to be entirely wrong.AndreaParma_82 said:CLP nominations for Labour NEC - Members representatives (6 to be elected, in First 6 Past the Post)
GA=Centre-Left Grassroots Alliance (some would say they can drop the "centre" bit)
LF= Labour First
Labour First, Progress and Baxter were usually recommended together as the "moderate"/"right" (depending on who was referring to them) slate.
Ann Black (GA) 301
Christine Shawcroft (GA) 189
Pete Willsman (GA) 164
Ellie Reeves (LF) 149
Claudia Webbe (GA) 145
Darren Williams (GA) 144
Bex Bailey (PROG) 132
Rhea Wolfson (GA) 130
Johanna Baxter (Ind) 123
Luke Akehurst (LF) 107
Parmjit Dhanda (PROG) 105
Eddie Izzard (Ind) 91
Peter Wheeler (LF) 87
John Gallagher (Ind) 25
Amanat Gul (Ind) 4
Anecdotally, I've been chatting to a few (four) members about a possible Corbyn-Eagle election. Three were vehemently pro-Corbyn, the fourth would have benn up for an alternative, but not Eagle because of Iraq.0 -
The zeal of a convert, clearly.ManWithThePlan said:Is the latest criticism of Leadsom that she's a fervent Kipper-type who won't ever change her mind, or that she supported EU membership a few years ago? I'm struggling to keep up.
Revelations have so far established that she was still very pro-EU in early 2014 but supporting the Out side of the Referendum by the beginning of 2016. It will be interesting to see if the window of conversion narrows further.
And also interesting that, now she is a leadership candidate, someone in (or working on behalf of) the Tory Party is ploughing through her past speeches and comments, which no-one in the Remain campaign thought to do before the vote.0 -
IanB2 said:
The zeal of a convert, clearly.ManWithThePlan said:Is the latest criticism of Leadsom that she's a fervent Kipper-type who won't ever change her mind, or that she supported EU membership a few years ago? I'm struggling to keep up.
Revelations have so far established that she was still very pro-EU in early 2014 but supporting the Out side of the Referendum by the beginning of 2016. It will be interesting to see if the window of conversion narrows further.
And also interesting that, now she is a leadership candidate, someone in (or working on behalf of someone in) the Tory Party is ploughing through her past speeches and comments, which no-one in the Remain campaign thought to do before the vote.0 -
Hilary Benn needs to be persuaded to change his mind and stand. Maybe I can start a groundswell of opinion in Leeds?NickPalmer said:
Thanks, Andrea. Worth noting that a month or two ago, the centre-right were saying they were doing unusually well in NEC nominations. That seems on these figures to be entirely wrong.AndreaParma_82 said:CLP nominations for Labour NEC - Members representatives (6 to be elected, in First 6 Past the Post)
GA=Centre-Left Grassroots Alliance (some would say they can drop the "centre" bit)
LF= Labour First
Labour First, Progress and Baxter were usually recommended together as the "moderate"/"right" (depending on who was referring to them) slate.
Ann Black (GA) 301
Christine Shawcroft (GA) 189
Pete Willsman (GA) 164
Ellie Reeves (LF) 149
Claudia Webbe (GA) 145
Darren Williams (GA) 144
Bex Bailey (PROG) 132
Rhea Wolfson (GA) 130
Johanna Baxter (Ind) 123
Luke Akehurst (LF) 107
Parmjit Dhanda (PROG) 105
Eddie Izzard (Ind) 91
Peter Wheeler (LF) 87
John Gallagher (Ind) 25
Amanat Gul (Ind) 4
Anecdotally, I've been chatting to a few (four) members about a possible Corbyn-Eagle election. Three were vehemently pro-Corbyn, the fourth would have benn up for an alternative, but not Eagle because of Iraq.0 -
The odds imply it's quite likely he will defect to the Tory party.Scott_P said:0 -
JohnO, a member from 2005 - which is quite a time these days.JohnO said:
Oh, I hadn't realised that TC was a member: had assumed, presumably incorrectly that she/he was a kipper.MaxPB said:
I think @TCPoliticalBetting is undecided and doesn't trust May to deliver on free movement.JohnO said:IIRC thus far, of all the Conservative members posting here, is Plato the only one to declare for Leadsom with May capturing literally every one else? Can't recall that Gove, Crabb and Fox have attracted any votes. It's a sign I tell you....
Mrs May has not set out any new plan for addressing the free movement of labour into unskilled jobs, even though she has the full inside knowledge of the systems and options. I have consistently cut her some slack for the problems Osborne has caused her in delivering tighter border controls due to his budget cuts and Osborne's opposition to controls on immigrant labour. Also I give her allowance for the effects of the EU. But as a prospective PM she is now free of all those factors and where is her Plan? Only silence.
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ErrSandyRentool said:
Hilary Benn needs to be persuaded to change his mind and stand. Maybe I can start a groundswell of opinion in Leeds?NickPalmer said:
Thanks, Andrea. Worth noting that a month or two ago, the centre-right were saying they were doing unusually well in NEC nominations. That seems on these figures to be entirely wrong.AndreaParma_82 said:CLP nominations for Labour NEC - Members representatives (6 to be elected, in First 6 Past the Post)
GA=Centre-Left Grassroots Alliance (some would say they can drop the "centre" bit)
LF= Labour First
Labour First, Progress and Baxter were usually recommended together as the "moderate"/"right" (depending on who was referring to them) slate.
Ann Black (GA) 301
Christine Shawcroft (GA) 189
Pete Willsman (GA) 164
Ellie Reeves (LF) 149
Claudia Webbe (GA) 145
Darren Williams (GA) 144
Bex Bailey (PROG) 132
Rhea Wolfson (GA) 130
Johanna Baxter (Ind) 123
Luke Akehurst (LF) 107
Parmjit Dhanda (PROG) 105
Eddie Izzard (Ind) 91
Peter Wheeler (LF) 87
John Gallagher (Ind) 25
Amanat Gul (Ind) 4
Anecdotally, I've been chatting to a few (four) members about a possible Corbyn-Eagle election. Three were vehemently pro-Corbyn, the fourth would have benn up for an alternative, but not Eagle because of Iraq.0 -
The aim is to ensure that Corbyn is not on the ballot. It is utterly preposterous and entirely unconstitutional for him to remain in post. The insane rules of the Labour Party should be changed as soon as someone vaguely sensible takes charge.NickPalmer said:
Thanks, Andrea. Worth noting that a month or two ago, the centre-right were saying they were doing unusually well in NEC nominations. That seems on these figures to be entirely wrong.AndreaParma_82 said:CLP nominations for Labour NEC - Members representatives (6 to be elected, in First 6 Past the Post)
GA=Centre-Left Grassroots Alliance (some would say they can drop the "centre" bit)
LF= Labour First
Labour First, Progress and Baxter were usually recommended together as the "moderate"/"right" (depending on who was referring to them) slate.
Ann Black (GA) 301
Christine Shawcroft (GA) 189
Pete Willsman (GA) 164
Ellie Reeves (LF) 149
Claudia Webbe (GA) 145
Darren Williams (GA) 144
Bex Bailey (PROG) 132
Rhea Wolfson (GA) 130
Johanna Baxter (Ind) 123
Luke Akehurst (LF) 107
Parmjit Dhanda (PROG) 105
Eddie Izzard (Ind) 91
Peter Wheeler (LF) 87
John Gallagher (Ind) 25
Amanat Gul (Ind) 4
Anecdotally, I've been chatting to a few (four) members about a possible Corbyn-Eagle election. Three were vehemently pro-Corbyn, the fourth would have benn up for an alternative, but not Eagle because of Iraq.0 -
She supported voting out to get a better deal for inIanB2 said:Revelations have so far established that she was still very pro-EU in early 2014 but supporting the Out side of the Referendum by the beginning of 2016. It will be interesting to see if the window of conversion narrows further.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-01-14/tory-seeking-to-keep-u-k-in-eu-says-out-vote-might-help0 -
Remain thought they were going to win, right up until Sunderland punched them in the mouth in the early hours of the 24th.IanB2 said:
The zeal of a convert, clearly.ManWithThePlan said:Is the latest criticism of Leadsom that she's a fervent Kipper-type who won't ever change her mind, or that she supported EU membership a few years ago? I'm struggling to keep up.
Revelations have so far established that she was still very pro-EU in early 2014 but supporting the Out side of the Referendum by the beginning of 2016. It will be interesting to see if the window of conversion narrows further.
And also interesting that, now she is a leadership candidate, someone in (or working on behalf of) the Tory Party is ploughing through her past speeches and comments, which no-one in the Remain campaign thought to do before the vote.0 -
My strategy is:Pulpstar said:
Angela Eagle won't be next Labour leader but this news is going to help me sleep a little better.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Siraj Datoo
✔ @dats
Two Labour sources tell me that Owen Smith has more backers than Angela Eagle. Understand that many MPs "falling away" from Eagle to Smith.
3:09 PM - 4 Jul 2016
Yes please
Either Smith wins in a coup; or
Corbyn resigns with a wide field to replace him; or
He holds on for another day.0 -
The Cellar is the club next door that has nowt to do with the Union.Charles said:
Ah. It was a Davy's in my day.TheWhiteRabbit said:
The PT is still the PT. But next door is the (Jazz) Cellar (either that or the Cellar moved next door). The PT is more directly affiliated with the Union, but they share a building...Charles said:
It was briefly the Purple Turtle I believe!TheWhiteRabbit said:
How times change.Pulpstar said:https://twitter.com/kingsleydc/status/249819350779981824
Our next PM potentially
It's just called "Cellar" now.
I doubt that the Turtle was called the Turtle when Gove was there - the first one opened in Reading in 1990.0 -
Italian banks tumble:
Bank 'Monte Paschi' plunges to record low after ECB letter ─► https://t.co/H5tPM0AbtZ https://t.co/w1lBJgnboQ0 -
Has she said she's teetotal - or just doesn't spend her time in the Westminster bars?Charles said:
May's a teetotallet because of her diabetes you muppet. It's hard enough to control blood sugar without drinking..Jobabob said:So to summarise... A leader for hard times:
Gove – a gossipy backstabber who treats the UK like an Oxford debating society
Leadsom – a Platoite far right frother funded by Ukip who was a europhile until 2013
Crabb – a bible basher who thinks homosexuality is a disease that can be cured
Fox – Liam Fox, Fox, Fox
May – a teetotal 60-year-old lady with bags of experience who spends her holidays hill walking with her husband
Now let me think.
She wasn't teetotal at University0 -
So long as it isn't a David Miliband vs Angela Eagle contest I should be ok.TheWhiteRabbit said:
My strategy is:Pulpstar said:
Angela Eagle won't be next Labour leader but this news is going to help me sleep a little better.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Siraj Datoo
✔ @dats
Two Labour sources tell me that Owen Smith has more backers than Angela Eagle. Understand that many MPs "falling away" from Eagle to Smith.
3:09 PM - 4 Jul 2016
Yes please
Either Smith wins in a coup; or
Corbyn resigns with a wide field to replace him; or
He holds on for another day.
A succesful Smith coup would resolve the book quickly so this is my ideal result.0 -
To err is human, to forgive divine?Pulpstar said:
ErrSandyRentool said:
Hilary Benn needs to be persuaded to change his mind and stand. Maybe I can start a groundswell of opinion in Leeds?NickPalmer said:
Thanks, Andrea. Worth noting that a month or two ago, the centre-right were saying they were doing unusually well in NEC nominations. That seems on these figures to be entirely wrong.AndreaParma_82 said:CLP nominations for Labour NEC - Members representatives (6 to be elected, in First 6 Past the Post)
GA=Centre-Left Grassroots Alliance (some would say they can drop the "centre" bit)
LF= Labour First
Labour First, Progress and Baxter were usually recommended together as the "moderate"/"right" (depending on who was referring to them) slate.
Ann Black (GA) 301
Christine Shawcroft (GA) 189
Pete Willsman (GA) 164
Ellie Reeves (LF) 149
Claudia Webbe (GA) 145
Darren Williams (GA) 144
Bex Bailey (PROG) 132
Rhea Wolfson (GA) 130
Johanna Baxter (Ind) 123
Luke Akehurst (LF) 107
Parmjit Dhanda (PROG) 105
Eddie Izzard (Ind) 91
Peter Wheeler (LF) 87
John Gallagher (Ind) 25
Amanat Gul (Ind) 4
Anecdotally, I've been chatting to a few (four) members about a possible Corbyn-Eagle election. Three were vehemently pro-Corbyn, the fourth would have benn up for an alternative, but not Eagle because of Iraq.0 -
Its that she will finally see off Osborne and challenge the establishment.ManWithThePlan said:Is the latest criticism of Leadsom that she's a fervent Kipper-type who won't ever change her mind, or that she supported EU membership a few years ago? I'm struggling to keep up.
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Gisela Stuart MP @GiselaStuart 2h2 hours ago
#Speaker granted my urgent question on "legal status of EU nationals" at 3.30 this afternoon
You have to be kidding me!! She wouldn't need to be doing this if she hadn't campaigned on a pack of lies and got the public to back her mad idea to leave the EU.0 -
Well, in that case, the Labour Party can do without my donation. Not after his warmongering speech on Syria. How many bombs did we drop anyway ? More than 10 / Less than 10.SandyRentool said:
Hilary Benn needs to be persuaded to change his mind and stand. Maybe I can start a groundswell of opinion in Leeds?NickPalmer said:
Thanks, Andrea. Worth noting that a month or two ago, the centre-right were saying they were doing unusually well in NEC nominations. That seems on these figures to be entirely wrong.AndreaParma_82 said:CLP nominations for Labour NEC - Members representatives (6 to be elected, in First 6 Past the Post)
GA=Centre-Left Grassroots Alliance (some would say they can drop the "centre" bit)
LF= Labour First
Labour First, Progress and Baxter were usually recommended together as the "moderate"/"right" (depending on who was referring to them) slate.
Ann Black (GA) 301
Christine Shawcroft (GA) 189
Pete Willsman (GA) 164
Ellie Reeves (LF) 149
Claudia Webbe (GA) 145
Darren Williams (GA) 144
Bex Bailey (PROG) 132
Rhea Wolfson (GA) 130
Johanna Baxter (Ind) 123
Luke Akehurst (LF) 107
Parmjit Dhanda (PROG) 105
Eddie Izzard (Ind) 91
Peter Wheeler (LF) 87
John Gallagher (Ind) 25
Amanat Gul (Ind) 4
Anecdotally, I've been chatting to a few (four) members about a possible Corbyn-Eagle election. Three were vehemently pro-Corbyn, the fourth would have benn up for an alternative, but not Eagle because of Iraq.
Why was such a fuss created ?0 -
I have slightly cashed in on Smith for the time value of money, so it's a level book. Except Eagle and Miliband. And Umanna. And Jarvis.Pulpstar said:
So long as it isn't a David Miliband vs Angela Eagle contest I should be ok.TheWhiteRabbit said:
My strategy is:Pulpstar said:
Angela Eagle won't be next Labour leader but this news is going to help me sleep a little better.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Siraj Datoo
✔ @dats
Two Labour sources tell me that Owen Smith has more backers than Angela Eagle. Understand that many MPs "falling away" from Eagle to Smith.
3:09 PM - 4 Jul 2016
Yes please
Either Smith wins in a coup; or
Corbyn resigns with a wide field to replace him; or
He holds on for another day.
A succesful Smith coup would resolve the book quickly so this is my ideal result.0 -
She didn't have diabetes then either.CarlottaVance said:
Has she said she's teetotal - or just doesn't spend her time in the Westminster bars?Charles said:
May's a teetotallet because of her diabetes you muppet. It's hard enough to control blood sugar without drinking..Jobabob said:So to summarise... A leader for hard times:
Gove – a gossipy backstabber who treats the UK like an Oxford debating society
Leadsom – a Platoite far right frother funded by Ukip who was a europhile until 2013
Crabb – a bible basher who thinks homosexuality is a disease that can be cured
Fox – Liam Fox, Fox, Fox
May – a teetotal 60-year-old lady with bags of experience who spends her holidays hill walking with her husband
Now let me think.
She wasn't teetotal at University0 -
@STJamesl: Corbyn at home affairs select on antisemitism in nine minutes.... https://t.co/3Dve8A8Muu
@WikiGuido: The star of Labour’s latest Party Political Broadcast said there are “similarities between Israel and Nazis” https://t.co/FVsnWhKxRL0 -
Have you read the quotes in that article? There is nothing there that the candidates aren't saying right now.Scott_P said:
She supported voting out to get a better deal for inIanB2 said:Revelations have so far established that she was still very pro-EU in early 2014 but supporting the Out side of the Referendum by the beginning of 2016. It will be interesting to see if the window of conversion narrows further.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-01-14/tory-seeking-to-keep-u-k-in-eu-says-out-vote-might-help
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Another one in favour of conceding negotiating points before we start negotiating?rottenborough said:Gisela Stuart MP @GiselaStuart 2h2 hours ago
#Speaker granted my urgent question on "legal status of EU nationals" at 3.30 this afternoon
You have to be kidding me!! She wouldn't need to be doing this if she hadn't campaigned on a pack of lies and got the public to back her mad idea to leave the EU.
They really haven't thought this through, have they?
Amateur hour.....0 -
'Useful idiot' springs to mind.rottenborough said:Gisela Stuart MP @GiselaStuart 2h2 hours ago
#Speaker granted my urgent question on "legal status of EU nationals" at 3.30 this afternoon
You have to be kidding me!! She wouldn't need to be doing this if she hadn't campaigned on a pack of lies and got the public to back her mad idea to leave the EU.0 -
Considering half the PLP voted against and new members have come in that should not be a problem.Pulpstar said:
Voted for it - it might not be fair but Labour have to go with someone who did not vote for the Iraq war or they'll be forever split with the membership.TheWhiteRabbit said:
What did Eagle do wrt Iraq?NickPalmer said:
Thanks, Andrea. Worth noting that a month or two ago, the centre-right were saying they were doing unusually well in NEC nominations. That seems on these figures to be entirely wrong.AndreaParma_82 said:CLP nominations for Labour NEC - Members representatives (6 to be elected, in First 6 Past the Post)
GA=Centre-Left Grassroots Alliance (some would say they can drop the "centre" bit)
LF= Labour First
Labour First, Progress and Baxter were usually recommended together as the "moderate"/"right" (depending on who was referring to them) slate.
Ann Black (GA) 301
Christine Shawcroft (GA) 189
Pete Willsman (GA) 164
Ellie Reeves (LF) 149
Claudia Webbe (GA) 145
Darren Williams (GA) 144
Bex Bailey (PROG) 132
Rhea Wolfson (GA) 130
Johanna Baxter (Ind) 123
Luke Akehurst (LF) 107
Parmjit Dhanda (PROG) 105
Eddie Izzard (Ind) 91
Peter Wheeler (LF) 87
John Gallagher (Ind) 25
Amanat Gul (Ind) 4
Anecdotally, I've been chatting to a few (four) members about a possible Corbyn-Eagle election. Three were vehemently pro-Corbyn, the fourth would have benn up for an alternative, but not Eagle because of Iraq.
My problem with Angela is not her vote on Iraq but that her charisma quotient is equal to that of a wet lettuce !0 -
Remain could have totally destroyed Leadsom's credibility during the campaign and it would not have changed one vote. As Gove calculated, Johnson was the face of Leave and did his job perfectly.John_M said:
Remain thought they were going to win, right up until Sunderland punched them in the mouth in the early hours of the 24th.IanB2 said:
The zeal of a convert, clearly.ManWithThePlan said:Is the latest criticism of Leadsom that she's a fervent Kipper-type who won't ever change her mind, or that she supported EU membership a few years ago? I'm struggling to keep up.
Revelations have so far established that she was still very pro-EU in early 2014 but supporting the Out side of the Referendum by the beginning of 2016. It will be interesting to see if the window of conversion narrows further.
And also interesting that, now she is a leadership candidate, someone in (or working on behalf of) the Tory Party is ploughing through her past speeches and comments, which no-one in the Remain campaign thought to do before the vote.
No point in wasting ammunition on Leadsom at that time.
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Is Evans quitting as TG host really the No 1 most important news story right now, per the BBC News website headlines?
Really...?0 -
Huw Merriman is the only Tory MP who failed to declare a referendum voting intention and has also not declared for a leadership candidate. Clearly fancies his leadership chances next time around and is keeping his powder dry. Either that or he's completely pointless!0
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HASC live from 4pm http://parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/89a8f38d-0676-4873-b388-46666415e8bf0
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The new incarnation of Top Gear didn't last long did it.0
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You just happened to be in the line of fire...Jobabob said:
Is there any need to respond like that? Totally uncalled for and I hadn't suggested otherwise. I am aware she is Type 1 diabetic.Charles said:
May's a teetotallet because of her diabetes you muppet. It's hard enough to control blood sugar without drinking..Jobabob said:So to summarise... A leader for hard times:
Gove – a gossipy backstabber who treats the UK like an Oxford debating society
Leadsom – a Platoite far right frother funded by Ukip who was a europhile until 2013
Crabb – a bible basher who thinks homosexuality is a disease that can be cured
Fox – Liam Fox, Fox, Fox
May – a teetotal 60-year-old lady with bags of experience who spends her holidays hill walking with her husband
Now let me think.
Getting irritated by people making an issue of a reduction in drinking for health reasons0 -
Italy must surely be too big to bail out?PlatoSaid said:Italian banks tumble:
Bank 'Monte Paschi' plunges to record low after ECB letter ─► https://t.co/H5tPM0AbtZ https://t.co/w1lBJgnboQ
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Whether you agree with the contents or not, surely you have to agree that it was a great speech?surbiton said:
Well, in that case, the Labour Party can do without my donation. Not after his warmongering speech on Syria. How many bombs did we drop anyway ? More than 10 / Less than 10.SandyRentool said:
Hilary Benn needs to be persuaded to change his mind and stand. Maybe I can start a groundswell of opinion in Leeds?NickPalmer said:
Thanks, Andrea. Worth noting that a month or two ago, the centre-right were saying they were doing unusually well in NEC nominations. That seems on these figures to be entirely wrong.AndreaParma_82 said:CLP nominations for Labour NEC - Members representatives (6 to be elected, in First 6 Past the Post)
GA=Centre-Left Grassroots Alliance (some would say they can drop the "centre" bit)
LF= Labour First
Labour First, Progress and Baxter were usually recommended together as the "moderate"/"right" (depending on who was referring to them) slate.
Ann Black (GA) 301
Christine Shawcroft (GA) 189
Pete Willsman (GA) 164
Ellie Reeves (LF) 149
Claudia Webbe (GA) 145
Darren Williams (GA) 144
Bex Bailey (PROG) 132
Rhea Wolfson (GA) 130
Johanna Baxter (Ind) 123
Luke Akehurst (LF) 107
Parmjit Dhanda (PROG) 105
Eddie Izzard (Ind) 91
Peter Wheeler (LF) 87
John Gallagher (Ind) 25
Amanat Gul (Ind) 4
Anecdotally, I've been chatting to a few (four) members about a possible Corbyn-Eagle election. Three were vehemently pro-Corbyn, the fourth would have benn up for an alternative, but not Eagle because of Iraq.
Why was such a fuss created ?
I didn't think he had it in him, but in that 15 minutes he rose in my eyes from journeyman to statesman.0 -
Or against it depending on how you think about it!PlatoSaid said:
Voted for it.TheWhiteRabbit said:
What did Eagle do wrt Iraq?NickPalmer said:
Thanks, Andrea. Worth noting that a month or two ago, the centre-right were saying they were doing unusually well in NEC nominations. That seems on these figures to be entirely wrong.AndreaParma_82 said:CLP nominations for Labour NEC - Members representatives (6 to be elected, in First 6 Past the Post)
GA=Centre-Left Grassroots Alliance (some would say they can drop the "centre" bit)
LF= Labour First
Labour First, Progress and Baxter were usually recommended together as the "moderate"/"right" (depending on who was referring to them) slate.
Ann Black (GA) 301
Christine Shawcroft (GA) 189
Pete Willsman (GA) 164
Ellie Reeves (LF) 149
Claudia Webbe (GA) 145
Darren Williams (GA) 144
Bex Bailey (PROG) 132
Rhea Wolfson (GA) 130
Johanna Baxter (Ind) 123
Luke Akehurst (LF) 107
Parmjit Dhanda (PROG) 105
Eddie Izzard (Ind) 91
Peter Wheeler (LF) 87
John Gallagher (Ind) 25
Amanat Gul (Ind) 4
Anecdotally, I've been chatting to a few (four) members about a possible Corbyn-Eagle election. Three were vehemently pro-Corbyn, the fourth would have benn up for an alternative, but not Eagle because of Iraq.0 -
The Purple Turtle Union Bar
The free entry, student nightclub for Union members. Back in the 1960s, Michael Heseltine (as Union President) converted the Union's coal cellars into a downstairs Cellar Bar. During the 1980s, half the cellars were leased off. Since October 1998, the Union Cellars are now re-joined, and relaunched as the 'Purple Turtle Union Bar'.
Right, so maybe once the lease expired they moved in next door.0 -
In this rather unstable period, what do we know about the financial states of the main parties?
Which are good, and which might find funding a sudden GE campaign difficult?0
