But is that a proper poll or just internet voodoo?
Doesn't claim to be a proper poll - it's a reader survey. But 1200 responses, and they do a monthly survey. The point is it consolidates Leadsom as May's challenger and rules out a coronation. Leadsom can point at it and ask why should she pull out?
It consolidates Leadsom as the UKIP candidate and the Leadsomites as kippers-manque
Are the tories crazy enough when given the choice of someone who has held down the post of home Sectretary (normally the graveyard of political careers) for over six years and someone no one heard of until a couple of recent TV debates....
At a time when it is vital to have a calm experienced hand on the tiller...
Vote for the complete unknown?
Well they turned down Ken Clarke, one of the best leaders they've never had and an MP since 1970 in favour of IDS.
A point I made earlier - and I bloody voted for him. I was young what can I say...
People tend to become more right wing as they age. To what do we attribute this?
There is a theory that people stay where they are but the zeitgeist moves left. In the 1960s radical causes might have included equal pay for women, homosexual or abortion rights. Those battles have been won. You can repeat the thought exercise for later decades. It is not as if anyone yearns to send small boys up chimneys on collecting their free bus pass.
Advertising conquers ever new ground in advancing what's spun as "individual freedom" but is better termed atomisation, dumbing down and amorality [*]. In the US I understand it's normal for children to decide what families eat for breakfast, on the basis of how they respond to adverts. Look at the "Weakest Link", "Judge Judy" and the utterly execrable "Game of Thrones". Meanwhile, many US schools have stopped teaching joined-up writing (literally). A large proportion of young people think bank loans are some kind of gift. Britain is full of spivs, whether they call themselves plumbers or dentists. And most statesmen now share a press agency that imposes a 140-character limit.
How much further can we f***ing go?
That hardly anyone else on the radical left can see the wood for the trees on these matters irks me no end.
(*) And that's why I think Donald Trump stands a good chance.
The Number Cruncher Politics central projection of 52.7 percent "remain" and 47.3 percent "leave" would have equated to remain gaining 16.2 million votes and "leave" 14.5 million among existing 2015 voters. Using the same samples, but with a likely voter screen that reflects the actual turnout pattern, gives "remain" 16.1 million, "leave" 17.4 million – the exact result."
Bloody hell.
If we hadn't said X and predicted Y and then maybe had said Z.......
They screwed up enormously.
I would like to see how those who won it for Leave voted in the 1980's then stopped. Willing to wager they voted for Thatcher rather more than Tue Labour opposite, even though these are working class people in Labour heartlands. 1983 Falklands war victory could be a good reason to vote Tory as they are very patriotic.
Great to hear Andrea guaranteeing the rights of those EU workers already here the right to stay. May and Hammond are pathetic. Even if the EU commences the ethnic cleansing of Brits from Europe, we should not take out on innocent EU citizens who have made Britain their home.
We really shouldn't be guaranteeing an absolute right to remain on current terms before the negotiations begin. Leavers wanted this outcome they can't really start squealing about the consequences.
This won't be the only contentious issue or consequential one. Leavers encouraged the opening of Pandoras Box, in the words of one of the stupider MPs on that side; suck it up.
If only someone has warned you that a Brexit vote was like setting a bomb under the UK economy huh?
Could just be jitters.
*buys tinned food*
Who needs money or food when you've taken back control.
Feel the sovereignty.
There is no way to square this circle. People really really don't want uncontrolled immigration. They really DO want to take back control of the borders. How do you do that without crashing the economy?
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Controlled dosent necessarily mean a big cut in immigration, just that we set the rules so that, say the whole population of Greece can't turn up overnight, or if Germany gave all the Syrian refugees there German passports, half the population of Syria can't turn up here overnight.
Hotels thrive on people staying for short and long terms, however they wouldn't last long if they didn't limit the number of guests to the number of beds available......
If only someone has warned you that a Brexit vote was like setting a bomb under the UK economy huh?
I today had an email from a local restaurant claiming that they were shutting down because their business has collapsed pro-Brexit. So it's at all levels.
I find that difficult to believe. Unless most of the diners are Eurocrats.
Poorly managed businesses used to blame the weather for poor results. Brexit is the new weather.
I today had an email from a local restaurant claiming that they were shutting down because their business has collapsed pro-Brexit. So it's at all levels.
Interesting. Do you live in Brussels or in Strasbourg?
If only someone has warned you that a Brexit vote was like setting a bomb under the UK economy huh?
Could just be jitters.
*buys tinned food*
Who needs money or food when you've taken back control.
Feel the sovereignty.
There is no way to square this circle. People really really don't want uncontrolled immigration. They really DO want to take back control of the borders. How do you do that without crashing the economy?
Answers on an e-postcard to Number 10
Somehow we managed it from 1962 to 1997.
There's a range of options between free migration at one end, and North Korean isolation at the other.
At least the Tories retained a system where MPs have serious say in matters and also don't allow anyone with £3 to vote. Ed Miliband should have resigned from Labour in disgrace over that idea.
It is an absolutely ridiculous idea. Did it predate the Tories' use of open primaries to choose some of their parliamentary candidates?
This genuinely scares me. A complete unknown, untested, non-Cabinet, non-front rank politician who has been an MP for a handful of years might be made PM by the end of August.
How do we know she wont be completely overwhelmed by being PM? We have no clue. None.
Truly politics has gone bonkers.
That's why it simply has to be May vs Gove before the members. An insurance policy. I wouldn't want Gove to win, but I could live with that (as could the country) more than Leadsom winning.
Please Tory MPs, make sure it's May vs Gove.
I am not sure I agree, but I am damn certain I do not like the idea of about 150,000 conservative members deciding who the next PM will be.
I am not as a rule a revolutionary, but I think our essentially 18th century parliamentary system has come to the end of its useful life. How about a directly elected PM, who can appoint who he or she wants to cabinet posts and the whole pack of them are held to account by Parliament?
There's no denying these are ominous signs. Property underpins the UK economy.
Brrr.
We may yet see a reversal of the vote. Or May (if she wins) has to come out and say it's EEA at the minimum, with the Single Market, so very little will change economically - to calm things.
Watch London where nearly 40% of residents are born abroad.
Many BTL landlords are dependent on a never ending flow of migrant workers to give them their yield.
A combination of the Benefits Cap, the BTL tax regime and now this are squeezing them.
The average home in London is now trading at nearly £500k -four times the level of most of the country.
The rest of the country won't feel this anywhere near as much, but London...
Being a BTL landlord and a fanatical remainer seem to go together in my anecdotal experience. For the sake of my kids a house price crash of 50%+ can't come soon enough.
Great to hear Andrea guaranteeing the rights of those EU workers already here the right to stay. May and Hammond are pathetic. Even if the EU commences the ethnic cleansing of Brits from Europe, we should not take out on innocent EU citizens who have made Britain their home.
We really shouldn't be guaranteeing an absolute right to remain on current terms before the negotiations begin. Leavers wanted this outcome they can't really start squealing about the consequences.
This won't be the only contentious issue or consequential one. Leavers encouraged the opening of Pandoras Box, in the words of one of the stupider MPs on that side; suck it up.
While I get the point that we should leave anything off the negotiating table as the rights of Brits abroad aren't yet guaranteed, I find it extremely hard to believe we'll be expelling EU nationals post-leave.
Now, a more important question: I'm toying with not buying any more Game of Thrones DVDs (got the first four seasons as the sets came out) until the series is done, then getting a big box set of all of it.
Sensible idea, or dafter than a mongoose wearing a fez?
What is Game of Thrones? I mean, is it a series with an overall theme, or a game show type thing, or what?
This legal challenge to the Royal Prerogative bvy hundreds of apparently secretive people is rather worrying (or at least it will be if they win and the commons defies the will of the people. Full blown revolutions have been caused by less:
Great to hear Andrea guaranteeing the rights of those EU workers already here the right to stay. May and Hammond are pathetic. Even if the EU commences the ethnic cleansing of Brits from Europe, we should not take out on innocent EU citizens who have made Britain their home.
We really shouldn't be guaranteeing an absolute right to remain on current terms before the negotiations begin. Leavers wanted this outcome they can't really start squealing about the consequences.
This won't be the only contentious issue or consequential one. Leavers encouraged the opening of Pandoras Box, in the words of one of the stupider MPs on that side; suck it up.
While I get the point that we should leave anything off the negotiating table as the rights of Brits abroad aren't yet guaranteed, I find it extremely hard to believe we'll be expelling EU nationals post-leave.
Indeed. So keeping options open isn't or shouldn't be a problem.
Great to hear Andrea guaranteeing the rights of those EU workers already here the right to stay. May and Hammond are pathetic. Even if the EU commences the ethnic cleansing of Brits from Europe, we should not take out on innocent EU citizens who have made Britain their home.
We really shouldn't be guaranteeing an absolute right to remain on current terms before the negotiations begin. Leavers wanted this outcome they can't really start squealing about the consequences.
This won't be the only contenwtious issue or consequential one. Leavers encouraged the opening of Pandoras Box, in the words of one of the stupider MPs on that side; suck it up.
It really is amateur hour on the LEAVE side - you don't go into a negotiation dishing out concessions willy nilly- it makes you look like a push over.
I'm sorry for the EU citizens in the UK (who were exercising MPs in the HoC today) - I'm also sorry for Brits in Europe (who most MPs didn't seem to care about) - but we need a fair deal for BOTH.
This genuinely scares me. A complete unknown, untested, non-Cabinet, non-front rank politician who has been an MP for a handful of years might be made PM by the end of August.
How do we know she wont be completely overwhelmed by being PM? We have no clue. None.
Truly politics has gone bonkers.
It's a survey of ConHome readers, not Tory members.
Indeed it is, but there is a question (final one) about whether the respondent is a party member. I wonder how that changes their 'results' (sic).
I today had an email from a local restaurant claiming that they were shutting down because their business has collapsed pro-Brexit. So it's at all levels.
Interesting. Do you live in Brussels or in Strasbourg?
Now, a more important question: I'm toying with not buying any more Game of Thrones DVDs (got the first four seasons as the sets came out) until the series is done, then getting a big box set of all of it.
Sensible idea, or dafter than a mongoose wearing a fez?
What is Game of Thrones? I mean, is it a series with an overall theme, or a game show type thing, or what?
It's a TV fiction series from the US, largely filmed in Britain, based on books by G R R Martin which have a reading age about six years lower than the works of J R R Tolkien but are compared to them by the kind of commentators I have no hesitation in calling mental retards. The TV series is structured around the depiction of instances of extreme violence, humiliation, incest, etc., desensitising its audience to acts such as mutilation, decapitation, cutting off a man's penis, murdering a pregnant woman by repeatedly stabbing her in the belly, etc., all shown in prime time and directed at a teenage and pre-teen audience; and most of the leading actresses in it made their careers in pornography. If ever there was a case not for censorship but for an outright government ban...
I see UKIP home has May neck and neck with Leadsom in their 'poll', so that's good news for TM!!
That ConHome survey with Leadsom way out in front of the other 3 is a game changer IMHO. LEAVE mps now know the she is the best one to challenge May. She is also the only one prepared to challenge May and Hammond on their threat and upset to the EU people already here.
Now, a more important question: I'm toying with not buying any more Game of Thrones DVDs (got the first four seasons as the sets came out) until the series is done, then getting a big box set of all of it.
Sensible idea, or dafter than a mongoose wearing a fez?
What is Game of Thrones? I mean, is it a series with an overall theme, or a game show type thing, or what?
It's a TV fiction series from the US, largely filmed in Britain, based on books by G R R Martin which have a reading age about six years lower than the works of J R R Tolkien but are compared to them by the kind of commentators I have no hesitation in calling mental retards. The TV series is structured around the depiction of instances of extreme violence, humiliation, incest, etc., desensitising its audience to acts such as mutilation, decapitation, cutting off a man's penis, murdering a pregnant woman by repeatedly stabbing her in the belly, etc., all shown in prime time and directed at a teenage and pre-teen audience; and most of the leading actresses in it made their careers in pornography. If ever there was a case not for censorship but for an outright government ban...
Great to hear Andrea guaranteeing the rights of those EU workers already here the right to stay. May and Hammond are pathetic. Even if the EU commences the ethnic cleansing of Brits from Europe, we should not take out on innocent EU citizens who have made Britain their home.
We really shouldn't be guaranteeing an absolute right to remain on current terms before the negotiations begin. Leavers wanted this outcome they can't really start squealing about the consequences.
This won't be the only contenwtious issue or consequential one. Leavers encouraged the opening of Pandoras Box, in the words of one of the stupider MPs on that side; suck it up.
It really is amateur hour on the LEAVE side - you don't go into a negotiation dishing out concessions willy nilly- it makes you look like a push over.
I'm sorry for the EU citizens in the UK (who were exercising MPs in the HoC today) - I'm also sorry for Brits in Europe (who most MPs didn't seem to care about) - but we need a fair deal for BOTH.
Smart tactical move by Leadsom to say current EU citizens can stay in UK. Shows a human side and good judgement.
May lacks a human side as demonstatred by saying she would use existing EU citzens in UK as a bargaining chip. Lots of established Conservative members will not welcome this threat by May in my view.
> The last Prime Minister to replace the incumbent – other than through an election – who had not previously held one of those roles was Balfour,
Technically true, but Ramsay MacDonald became Prime Minister in 1924 without ever having held office. While he did replace Baldwin as a result of the 1923 general election, he did not lead the Labour Party to victory in that election; the Conservatives remained the largest party but lost their majority.
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How much further can we f***ing go?
That hardly anyone else on the radical left can see the wood for the trees on these matters irks me no end.
(*) And that's why I think Donald Trump stands a good chance.
http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-36707266
This won't be the only contentious issue or consequential one. Leavers encouraged the opening of Pandoras Box, in the words of one of the stupider MPs on that side; suck it up.
Hotels thrive on people staying for short and long terms, however they wouldn't last long if they didn't limit the number of guests to the number of beds available......
There's a range of options between free migration at one end, and North Korean isolation at the other.
I am not as a rule a revolutionary, but I think our essentially 18th century parliamentary system has come to the end of its useful life. How about a directly elected PM, who can appoint who he or she wants to cabinet posts and the whole pack of them are held to account by Parliament?
How about Nigel Farage for new Top Gear host?
new thread
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/04/id-rather-fight-ten-more-eu-referendums-than-let-a-bunch-of-lawy/
Indeed. So keeping options open isn't or shouldn't be a problem.
I'm sorry for the EU citizens in the UK (who were exercising MPs in the HoC today) - I'm also sorry for Brits in Europe (who most MPs didn't seem to care about) - but we need a fair deal for BOTH.
Text from Tory MP in 1922:
"Lots of arse lickers, toadies and sycophants who all think they'll be Under Secretary for Widgets
May lacks a human side as demonstatred by saying she would use existing EU citzens in UK as a bargaining chip. Lots of established Conservative members will not welcome this threat by May in my view.
Technically true, but Ramsay MacDonald became Prime Minister in 1924 without ever having held office. While he did replace Baldwin as a result of the 1923 general election, he did not lead the Labour Party to victory in that election; the Conservatives remained the largest party but lost their majority.