I told Mike on Saturday to prep for an Autumn election
@JohnRentoul: Unofficial part of the 1922 Committee timetable: general election on 13 October.
My assumption was 10th November - hold conferences as manifesto launches, then reconvene parliament and immediately pass the motion for an election. The '22 seem to have binned off conference which means the new leader passing the dissolution motion in the 2 week session of w/c 5th and w/c 12th September.
Why? Surely they would want their new leader to have a conference to put themselves properly onto people's attention and make their case?
Either way, I have convened meetings later this week to start our GE prep in my constituency.
Can't Corbyn only be challenged officially at Conference? If he refuses to resign then a pre Conference election would be against Corbyn right?
BTW did anyone see "The Last Leg" on Friday? Boris's dad, Stanley, was on and was rambling about how the Johnson family play cricket each year against another prominent family and in addition to his sons and grandsons, the guest on their team is Kevin Pietersen.
How appropriate I thought. Pietersen - the Lord Haw-Haw of the England team.
I was convinced Boris would be a shoo-in, but now I'm having serious doubts. What with the way the whole Brexit lark is going, the Tories will want to put maximum distance between them and it as soon as possible. They'll try and blame it on UKIP and Labour's ineffectiveness as much as possible. Boris and Gove can just be jettisoned as aberrations.
What happens if a Remainian wins the Tory leadership contest?
Incredible that Osborne is trying to cling on after the humiliation. Start contrast to grace and dignity of Cameron. Probably thinks he has patronage and power base to cling on like a rat, but surely should go properly after leading the most unsuccessful high-risk gamble? I honestly believe his emergency budget threat - which nobody believed and which he basically admitted today was made up - was a gift to the leave side, and possibly critical to their victory.
@MichaelLCrick: Source from left-wing Campaign for Labour Party Democracy says considering pressing for full mandatory reselection in every Labour seat
If I was a far left type in Labour I would. The other side has this weekend declared all out war on the leader, what else have they got to lose by not seeking mandatory reselection?
Is the triggering and completion of the Labour leadership election now effectively a race, and what are the hurdles to it being wrapped up as fast as the Tories. The triggering should be fast enough, but trying to remember some of the arcane details from last year.
Will it need conference to be pulled forward to August Bank Holiday week? Are the organisers of the Labour election going to be amenable to a rapid election? What roadblocks can be thrown in the way? Any curveballs outwith the leadership election, e.g. this mandatory reselection idea? How much time for 3 quidders to sign back up?
If this isn't possible, could SDP2 emerge by September 2nd as a simple function of practicality - could it be that the need for rapidity is what drives a split? Is that something the Tories have one eye on?
I was convinced Boris would be a shoo-in, but now I'm having serious doubts. What with the way the whole Brexit lark is going, the Tories will want to put maximum distance between them and it as soon as possible. They'll try and blame it on UKIP and Labour's ineffectiveness as much as possible. Boris and Gove can just be jettisoned as aberrations.
What happens if a Remainian wins the Tory leadership contest?
The Tories dodge a very nasty bullet. But Boris is a shoe-in, surely.
Can't Corbyn only be challenged officially at Conference? If he refuses to resign then a pre Conference election would be against Corbyn right?
If he doesn't go this week there will be two conferences - Labour and Progressive Labour...
The powers that be can call an emergency conference for a leadership contest if they so wish. I don't think they envisioned it happening just a few weeks before actual conference, but they could.
I assume that Jeremy Corbyn is a PBer. So, three pieces of advice, Jeremy. 1. Stick it out. They are all paper tigers. 2. Listen to Seumas. He knows how to deal with counter -revolutionaries. 3.Promote Richard Burgon. He could be a natural heir. Oh -I forgot-get your landlord to tie back that rose bush on your front path. Otherwise it will catch somebody in the face and it is embarrassing when you duck down under it. Fraternally yours.
I was convinced Boris would be a shoo-in, but now I'm having serious doubts. What with the way the whole Brexit lark is going, the Tories will want to put maximum distance between them and it as soon as possible. They'll try and blame it on UKIP and Labour's ineffectiveness as much as possible. Boris and Gove can just be jettisoned as aberrations.
What happens if a Remainian wins the Tory leadership contest?
The Tories dodge a very nasty bullet. But Boris is a shoe-in, surely.
Not so sure. I think the Tories will now ditch Boris - a sort of act of penance.
I assume that Jeremy Corbyn is a PBer. So, three pieces of advice, Jeremy. 1. Stick it out. They are all paper tigers. 2. Listen to Seumas. He knows how to deal with counter -revolutionaries. 3.Promote Richard Burgon. He could be a natural heir. Oh -I forgot-get your landlord to tie back that rose bush on your front path. Otherwise it will catch somebody in the face and it is embarrassing when you duck down under it. Fraternally yours.
According to linkedin, John Llewellyn was global chief economist at Lehman Brothers for a decade up to September 2008. It does not say why he left. *innocent face*
According to linkedin, John Llewellyn was global chief economist at Lehman Brothers for a decade up to September 2008. It does not say why he left. *innocent face*
I think all he has guaranteed is that after he steps down as PM he won't resign before the next GE, which if it is in October isn't that onerous a promise. You're right about the laughing at him however...
His last action as PM should be to reduce PM salary to that of an MP.
At this rate, the likes of Mauren from Margate and other assorted individuals who write into Jezza every week for his PMQ questions will be in the shadow cabinet.
It reminds we of that infamous story of Harry Redknapp in a preseason friendly bringing on a bloke out the crowd.
Some of my ridiculous Corbynite friends who had gone off Corbyn have now decided to campaign for him again.
Their idiocy is boundless, much as I love them.
For decades the hard left have yearned for control of the Labour Party....so it comes as no surprise that they are hard pressed to go quietly. This is perhaps the last chance of a hard left grouping to take control of a mainstream party......so little wonder they are fighting to hold on.
The problem is that Corbyn, is a duffer. And you cannot get round duffers.
Incredible that Osborne is trying to cling on after the humiliation. Start contrast to grace and dignity of Cameron. Probably thinks he has patronage and power base to cling on like a rat, but surely should go properly after leading the most unsuccessful high-risk gamble? I honestly believe his emergency budget threat - which nobody believed and which he basically admitted today was made up - was a gift to the leave side, and possibly critical to their victory.
He has sensibly confirmed that it will follow an OBR assessment in the Autumn. It won't be pretty if things haven't settled by then and not very nice if they had.
I've just read Boris Johnson's manifesto from yesterday. He says after Brexit there will continue to be free trade and access to the EU single market. Then he says there will be a points-based immigration policy. Well you can't have both, because the single market equals the four freedoms. You simply cannot have both unless you change the EU's policy in a way that one single country that is about to leave the EU will not possibly be able to.
He also says British people will still be able to go and work in the EU, to live there, to study and buy homes there, and to settle down. No conditions mentioned. But Britain, he says, will operate a points-based immigration policy. So we get an irregular verb:
* foreigners come here as immigrants (dirty word) * British people go abroad to work, live, study, and settle down (friendly words)
What is he trying to do? Reform the EU and stay in? We know he has a personal plan and a big ego, but does he actually have a feasible aim here? Doesn't seem to me that he does. Isn't this likely to be realised by even the most diehard Leavites, if not in the re-election-hungry PCP then surely among the membership? Most of them understand "you can't have something for nothing".
It's an obvious point, just as "the SNP doesn't know what currency they want" was in 2014. What will Boris say when it's put to him?
If he teams up with Marine Le Pen and gets France on his side - which would require that she get into the Elysée next May, he might possibly have a chance. But would he do that?
FTSE 250 down over 6% on the day now. That's a 14% fall in the last two trading days.
The Transatlantic Civilisation or " The West " must stand. As prominent UK politicians like Gove and Boris said on national television they wanted Brexit to start the collapse of the EU ( which would trigger a Depression, quasi fascism and Russian incursion into the Baltics ) it's essential the US and Franco/German deep states now Kneecap us to prevent contagion. It's a tragedy but England is an old country. We'll survive just as we survived Suez. I suppose this time though we can't recover from post Imperial Overstretch by joining Europe though. We were told.
@MichaelLCrick: Source from left-wing Campaign for Labour Party Democracy says considering pressing for full mandatory reselection in every Labour seat
If I was a far left type in Labour I would. The other side has this weekend declared all out war on the leader, what else have they got to lose by not seeking mandatory reselection?
There are plenty of people on the right here who have suggested something similar for remainian MPs 'fools to the left of me and fools to the right' - never a truer word sung!
As one of the most experienced shadow ministers he's worth listening to...
Mind you he must be a trifle upset that Rebecca Long-Bailey got the chief secretary role. Who knew she had such a powerful economic mind?
I think I saw her on Sky - looks about 25. Said she'd been a commercial lawyer - but had an interest in economics.
Wiki reckons she's 36, same age as Lisa Nandy
I went along to McDonnell's economics event in London last month. All the shadow economics team were there, and Long-Bailey chaired a couple of the sessions that I attended. I wasn't impressed at all with her contribution. I also got the impression that she was either very much a nailed on Corbynite or seeking to ingratiate herself with the leader.
I was convinced Boris would be a shoo-in, but now I'm having serious doubts. What with the way the whole Brexit lark is going, the Tories will want to put maximum distance between them and it as soon as possible. They'll try and blame it on UKIP and Labour's ineffectiveness as much as possible. Boris and Gove can just be jettisoned as aberrations.
What happens if a Remainian wins the Tory leadership contest?
The Tories dodge a very nasty bullet. But Boris is a shoe-in, surely.
Not so sure. I think the Tories will now ditch Boris - a sort of act of penance.
What is he trying to do? Reform the EU and stay in? We know he has a personal plan and a big ego, but does he actually have a feasible aim here? Doesn't seem to me that he does. Isn't this likely to be realised by even the most diehard Leavites, if not in the re-election-hungry PCP then surely among the membership?
It's an obvious point, a bit like "the SNP doesn't know what currency they want" in 2014. What will Boris say when it's put to him?
As this was his stated plan from the beginning it shouldn't shock anyone now.
He's in the process of blowing up his own country to satisfy his ego and go down in the history books as the man who reshaped Europe.
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Graham Brady hinted this will not take place - saying Brexit vote confers a mandate for the time being (according to tw8tter).
How appropriate I thought. Pietersen - the Lord Haw-Haw of the England team.
What happens if a Remainian wins the Tory leadership contest?
In defence questions. The newly appointed shadow defence secretary hasn't made it back from Glastonbury in time...
You have £50 @ 11/5 on 101-200
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/jeremy-corbyn-brexit-labour-leader-shadow-cabinet-latest-news-eu-referendum-a7105666.html
JC to go before next General Election?
Currently 4.3 for 'No' - if he survives this week and the GE is in October that's value?
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.121876619
"Seriously though as an outer I would accept May. I think she would destroy whoever Labour put up."
Gisela Stuart?
Loses the sex advantage straight away.
http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2016/06/justine-greening-the-country-cant-wait-until-october-johnson-and-may-should-reach-an-agreement-and-take-over-now.html
The state of Brexiterr denial is unfathomable
9/1 available with Betfair Exchange for England scoring more than 3 goals vs Iceland and winning the match. Seems like value:
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/football/event?id=27834765&exp=e
Will it need conference to be pulled forward to August Bank Holiday week?
Are the organisers of the Labour election going to be amenable to a rapid election?
What roadblocks can be thrown in the way?
Any curveballs outwith the leadership election, e.g. this mandatory reselection idea?
How much time for 3 quidders to sign back up?
If this isn't possible, could SDP2 emerge by September 2nd as a simple function of practicality - could it be that the need for rapidity is what drives a split? Is that something the Tories have one eye on?
The Momentum lot like to pick on women too, so it won't be nice.
https://twitter.com/chrisgiles_/status/747418086031097856
1. Stick it out. They are all paper tigers.
2. Listen to Seumas. He knows how to deal with counter -revolutionaries.
3.Promote Richard Burgon. He could be a natural heir.
Oh -I forgot-get your landlord to tie back that rose bush on your front path. Otherwise it will catch somebody in the face and it is embarrassing when you duck down under it. Fraternally yours.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-llewellyn-a6249316
It reminds we of that infamous story of Harry Redknapp in a preseason friendly bringing on a bloke out the crowd.
There will be Controls on Immigration
There will be an open border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland
Whichever circle they lied about
The problem is that Corbyn, is a duffer. And you cannot get round duffers.
He also says British people will still be able to go and work in the EU, to live there, to study and buy homes there, and to settle down. No conditions mentioned. But Britain, he says, will operate a points-based immigration policy. So we get an irregular verb:
* foreigners come here as immigrants (dirty word)
* British people go abroad to work, live, study, and settle down (friendly words)
What is he trying to do? Reform the EU and stay in? We know he has a personal plan and a big ego, but does he actually have a feasible aim here? Doesn't seem to me that he does. Isn't this likely to be realised by even the most diehard Leavites, if not in the re-election-hungry PCP then surely among the membership? Most of them understand "you can't have something for nothing".
It's an obvious point, just as "the SNP doesn't know what currency they want" was in 2014. What will Boris say when it's put to him?
If he teams up with Marine Le Pen and gets France on his side - which would require that she get into the Elysée next May, he might possibly have a chance. But would he do that?
Is there value in laying Boris at 2.22?
And he'll not be round for dinner again with Dave and Sam.
He's in the process of blowing up his own country to satisfy his ego and go down in the history books as the man who reshaped Europe.