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  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,101

    Scott_P said:

    @PCollinsTimes: A debate on leaving the EU in the House of Commons and Gove and Johnson don't turn up. No more pious lectures on democracy from them.

    Was Ms Leadsom there?
    Yes.
  • John_N4John_N4 Posts: 553
    Surely Cameron doesn't dare invoke Article 50 without a vote in the House of Commons? He has no mandate.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,104

    Contemplating Boris's lack of spine, I am reminded of Monty Python's Brave Sir Robin:

    Brave Sir Robin ran away
    (No!)
    Bravely ran away away
    (I didn't!)
    When danger reared its ugly head
    He bravely turned his tail and fled
    (No!)
    Yes, brave Sir Robin turned about
    (I didn't!)
    And gallantly he chickened out

    #wheresBoris
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245

    Extraordinary that Boris has not shown up. What a complete tosser he is. I very much look forward to him taking over as PM and being exposed to the full consequences of the lies he told.

    Wonder if now he has revealed what a cluster fuck he has made if it, Boris will bottle and not stand
  • In the name of sanity will you all calm down. The FTSE was 500 points lower than this last summer when China had a wobble and the pound is only a cent or two lower than it was against the dollar in February.

    Frankly the way our politicians are running round like headless chickens in a student union meltdown it is a testament to our healthy state that a far worse dip hasnt occured.
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,383
    Mr T,

    "I am unnerved by the numbers of people I like, admire, and even love, who are absolutely shattered by this result - in tears, distraught, looking at horrible changes to their lives."

    There will always be soft shites around. Tell them to pull themselves together, there's kids in Africa with nothing to eat. That's more important.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,698

    Corbyn in an implicit call for Cameron to invoke Article 50 tomorrow...

    Not sure it should be tomorrow but I would like to see it done very soon. Delaying it just adds to uncertainty. It will also ensure the if it's calling for the decision to be reversed can't win.

    Edit. By soon I mean within days.
    I understand why it has not been triggered, though. We can't really start negotiations until we have a permanent government, which we won't have until we have a new leader of the Conservative Party. If that process ended up drawn out for any reason, you could end up losing a fifth of your two year window.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Pong said:

    Clegg pleading for an early GE so he can leave the HoC.

    Do you think he'll lose his seat, or not stand?

    I recon he'll keep his seat if he stands.

    Fancy an evens bet?
    He's not going to stand. He'd hold his seat if he did.
  • MontyHallMontyHall Posts: 226

    MontyHall said:

    "Markets overreact and panic. Then they settle down."

    See last Thursday on Betfair for evidence of that

    Last Thursday they under-reacted and failed to panic when they should have done.
    I thought 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 14 & 16/1 about Leaving the EU were over reactions to the last opinion poll myself, but I guess you are right that they didn't panic once the result was obvious

    What price do you think Boris should be for next Con leader?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,365
    If you paid £3 in the first Labour vote do you get to go again for the second one ?
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,295
    John_N4 said:

    Surely Cameron doesn't dare invoke Article 50 without a vote in the House of Commons? He has no mandate.

    My understanding is he doesn't need one.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,925
    Jobabob said:

    Jobabob said:

    Jobabob said:

    Jeremy Corbyn MP ‏@jeremycorbyn 17h17 hours ago
    Those wanting to change Labour's leadership will have to stand in a democratic election in which I'll be a candidate

    Can someone tell me why the splitters dont want to do this.


    It can only be because they want to impose a new leader without members getting a say IMO

    Anyone?

    Surely some of the splitter supporters on here must have a view?
    Corbyn has been given plenty of time. He has utterly failed. If the party has to split and be led in parliament by someone vaguely competent, so be it
    So you dont want a democratic election where members get a say


    Fair enough nor do the splitters
    I prefer to consider the needs of the 9 million who voted Labour in 2015, not the membership which represent 0.5% of them, if that.
    So how do you think a new leader should be chosen?


    Simple question.
    By the PLP.
    Thanks so a couple of hundred self interested get to decide.

    FWIW thats what the splitters want too IMO

    You think thats more democratic than half a million deciding.

    That sounds undemocratic to me but you are entitled to your view
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 10,042

    Jobabob said:

    SeanT said:

    saddened said:

    SeanT said:

    Sean_F said:

    SeanT said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Lammy ranting on Sky: "Referendum needs 2/3rds majority. We can't have rule by the mob! I'll never vote for Brexit in the HoC"

    But if the economic meltdown continues then there will be a lot of people, an awful lot, who would quite like parliament to overrule the people.

    I presume we have all seen Kelvin MacKenzie's public expression of Bremorse in the Sun?

    As I said yesterday, the markets will decide this, and right now the markets are going mental. A bigger loss than Lehmans. We have destabilised not only ourselves, but other countries, some of which were perilously close to chaos already.

    I also suggested that we were entering a dynamic, chaotic state yesterday - that we had set off an entirely unpredictable chain reaction. And I was pooh-poohed by some.

    Maybe the fiend Osborne was right and we have put a bomb under everything. Eeeesh.

    How do we unclusterfuck this?

    You voted Out!

    This uncertainty and turmoil, wholly predictable and indeed predicted, was the principal reason I backed Remain in the end, to the bemusement of some on here.

    My conscience is at least clear.
    I voted Leave and my conscience is also clear.

    Sean is being a knob. You make your choices and you live with them. You don't go to pieces at the first sign of trouble.
    Quite. I couldn't give a toss about the financial markets.
    I'm not going to pieces, but it would take a halfwit not to be worried by the potential for economic calamity - and the dissolution of the Union.
    Do you ever go back and look at what you have written on here in the past?

    The vitriol you poured on people who declared for remain was quite something. 2 working days in and your flapping like a big girl
    lol. I happily admit it's not been my finest hour. I am unnerved. Im my defence, I am unnerved by the numbers of people I like, admire, and even love, who are absolutely shattered by this result - in tears, distraught, looking at horrible changes to their lives.

    It's very hard to be relentlessly stoical and convinced of one's virtue when this is happening to immediate friends and family.
    Fair play to you for having the cojones to admit you were wrong.
    Kelvin McKenzie this morning, SeanT this afternoon. How many others are out there? What a disaster.
    Sehr Geehrte Frau Merkel,

    Please give BoJo a face saving way out of this,

    Mit freundlichen Gruess,
    The ex-Leavers
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,805
    @SeanT Just to cheer you up a bit - I purchased a copy of The Ice Twins on Saturday; 99p in Oxfam. I look forward to a good read.
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    midwinter said:

    Jobabob said:

    Sean_F said:

    SeanT said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Lammy ranting on Sky: "Referendum needs 2/3rds majority. We can't have rule by the mob! I'll never vote for Brexit in the HoC"

    But if the economic meltdown continues then there will be a lot of people, an awful lot, who would quite like parliament to overrule the people.

    I presume we have all seen Kelvin MacKenzie's public expression of Bremorse in the Sun?

    As I said yesterday, the markets will decide this, and right now the markets are going mental. A bigger loss than Lehmans. We have destabilised not only ourselves, but other countries, some of which were perilously close to chaos already.

    I also suggested that we were entering a dynamic, chaotic state yesterday - that we had set off an entirely unpredictable chain reaction. And I was pooh-poohed by some.

    Maybe the fiend Osborne was right and we have put a bomb under everything. Eeeesh.

    How do we unclusterfuck this?

    You voted Out!

    This uncertainty and turmoil, wholly predictable and indeed predicted, was the principal reason I backed Remain in the end, to the bemusement of some on here.

    My conscience is at least clear.
    I voted Leave and my conscience is also clear.

    Sean is being a knob. You make your choices and you live with them. You don't go to pieces at the first sign of trouble.
    Quite. I couldn't give a toss about the financial markets.
    An insight into the europhobe mentality. It doesn't matter how much value is wiped off the economy, how many pensions are wrecked, how many of people's hard earned assets are crushed in value or how many jobs are lost. As long as we leave the EU, that's a price worth paying.
    Hey...but at least we've got our sovereignty back. Feels great doesn't it.
    Telling Juncker and Merkel to go fly a kite when they demanded immediate trigger of clause 50 was certainly a good feeling.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,040
    saddened said:

    Extraordinary that Boris has not shown up. What a complete tosser he is. I very much look forward to him taking over as PM and being exposed to the full consequences of the lies he told.

    Wonder if now he has revealed what a cluster fuck he has made if it, Boris will bottle and not stand

    And Gove did not turn up either. Jaysus. That is pathetic.

  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,295

    In the name of sanity will you all calm down. The FTSE was 500 points lower than this last summer when China had a wobble and the pound is only a cent or two lower than it was against the dollar in February.

    Frankly the way our politicians are running round like headless chickens in a student union meltdown it is a testament to our healthy state that a far worse dip hasnt occured.

    The FTSE 250 only breached the current level on the way up in 2013.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,873
    Apparently labour mp were shouting resign at corbyn on HoC. Imagine if he does win another leadership contest, how can the PLP carry on?
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807

    John_N4 said:

    Surely Cameron doesn't dare invoke Article 50 without a vote in the House of Commons? He has no mandate.

    My understanding is he doesn't need one.
    He has already confirmed that he will not be invoking Article 50.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    The HoC statement is hilarious

    A series of Brexiteer back-benchers are begging Cameron to get them out of the shit.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,295
    Jonathan said:

    Contemplating Boris's lack of spine, I am reminded of Monty Python's Brave Sir Robin:

    Brave Sir Robin ran away
    (No!)
    Bravely ran away away
    (I didn't!)
    When danger reared its ugly head
    He bravely turned his tail and fled
    (No!)
    Yes, brave Sir Robin turned about
    (I didn't!)
    And gallantly he chickened out

    #wheresBoris
    Boris strikes me as one of those people with a huge intellect backed up by absolutely no common sense at all. Added to that the claims of his laziness I really don't think he is PM material.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,943

    @SeanT Just to cheer you up a bit - I purchased a copy of The Ice Twins on Saturday; 99p in Oxfam. I look forward to a good read.

    you were robbed....
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    MontyHall said:

    MontyHall said:

    "Markets overreact and panic. Then they settle down."

    See last Thursday on Betfair for evidence of that

    Last Thursday they under-reacted and failed to panic when they should have done.
    I thought 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 14 & 16/1 about Leaving the EU were over reactions to the last opinion poll myself, but I guess you are right that they didn't panic once the result was obvious

    What price do you think Boris should be for next Con leader?
    Those prices were, in retrospect, reactions to No 10's internal poll (55-45 to Remain, with Lord Cooper predicting 60-40). The even bigger prices were after Farage conceded.

    Perfectly reasonable drift, I suppose. But the post-results prices were insane.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    It's not even funny anymore

    @nedsimons: Rumour that Green MP Caroline Lucas being lined up as the 'surprising name' as shadow energy secretary.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    MontyHall said:

    MontyHall said:

    "Markets overreact and panic. Then they settle down."

    See last Thursday on Betfair for evidence of that

    Last Thursday they under-reacted and failed to panic when they should have done.
    I thought 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 14 & 16/1 about Leaving the EU were over reactions to the last opinion poll myself, but I guess you are right that they didn't panic once the result was obvious

    What price do you think Boris should be for next Con leader?
    I think that I'd put the probabilities at something like 40% Boris, 40% Theresa, 20% Other. But it is early days and things are obviously very volatile.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,295
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    saddened said:

    SeanT said:

    Sean_F said:

    SeanT said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Lammy ranting on Sky: "Referendum needs 2/3rds majority. We can't have rule by the mob! I'll never vote for Brexit in the HoC"

    But if the economic meltdown continues then there will be a lot of people, an awful lot, who would quite like parliament to overrule the people.

    I presume we have all seen Kelvin MacKenzie's public expression of Bremorse in the Sun?

    As I said yesterday, the markets will decide this, and right now the markets are going mental. A bigger loss than Lehmans. We have destabilised not only ourselves, but other countries, some of which were perilously close to chaos already.

    I also suggested that we were entering a dynamic, chaotic state yesterday - that we had set off an entirely unpredictable chain reaction. And I was pooh-poohed by some.

    Maybe the fiend Osborne was right and we have put a bomb under everything. Eeeesh.

    How do we unclusterfuck this?

    You voted Out!

    This uncertainty and turmoil, wholly predictable and indeed predicted, was the principal reason I backed Remain in the end, to the bemusement of some on here.

    My conscience is at least clear.
    I voted Leave and my conscience is also clear.

    Sean is being a knob. You make your choices and you live with them. You don't go to pieces at the first sign of trouble.
    Quite. I couldn't give a toss about the financial markets.
    I'm not going to pieces, but it would take a halfwit not to be worried by the potential for economic calamity - and the dissolution of the Union.
    Do you ever go back and look at what you have written on here in the past?

    The vitriol you poured on people who declared for remain was quite something. 2 working days in and your flapping like a big girl
    lol. I happily admit it's not been my finest hour. I am unnerved. Im my defence, I am unnerved by the numbers of people I like, admire, and even love, who are absolutely shattered by this result - in tears, distraught, looking at horrible changes to their lives.

    It's very hard to be relentlessly stoical and convinced of one's virtue when this is happening to immediate friends and family.
    You were warned.

    Sack up you Quisling pig, which I believe is the comment you aimed at me for backing Remain
    Did I say that? Heh. I've still got the old Insult Mojo Then.

    *cheers up*
    I thought I was the one who called you a quisling (I would never call you a pig mind)
  • John_N4John_N4 Posts: 553
    edited June 2016

    John_N4 said:

    Surely Cameron doesn't dare invoke Article 50 without a vote in the House of Commons? He has no mandate.

    My understanding is he doesn't need one.
    True - he could exercise the royal prerogative, but that would be one hell of a way to treat the Commons on this issue.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    edited June 2016
    weejonnie said:

    Telling Juncker and Merkel to go fly a kite when they demanded immediate trigger of clause 50 was certainly a good feeling.

    Merkel didn't. She's on our side in the internal EU battle.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Pulpstar said:

    If you paid £3 in the first Labour vote do you get to go again for the second one ?

    If the Labour leadership election falls within the annual £3 subscription, I don’t see why not.

    However, given the time scale of the last, I feel that somehow unlikely.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,925
    Scott_P said:

    It's not even funny anymore

    @nedsimons: Rumour that Green MP Caroline Lucas being lined up as the 'surprising name' as shadow energy secretary.

    Excellent news
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Brom said:

    Scott_P said:

    Brexiteers look away, You want to keep pretending this is not happening

    @SkyNewsBreak: National Police Chiefs' Council: reports to online hate crime reporting site up 57% between Thursday and Sunday compared to four weeks ago

    surely online hate crime is more likely from the remain side?
    Indeed it is. I've found the online form to grass up Scott_P for online hatred in the Belief category - which is the closest category to the Remain bile.

    https://www.scotland.police.uk/secureforms/hate-crime/

    I picked Police Scotland from the dropdown as they've got a good reputation for investigating any old crock-of-shit report they get about grumpiness online.

  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    saddened said:

    Extraordinary that Boris has not shown up. What a complete tosser he is. I very much look forward to him taking over as PM and being exposed to the full consequences of the lies he told.

    Wonder if now he has revealed what a cluster fuck he has made if it, Boris will bottle and not stand

    And Gove did not turn up either. Jaysus. That is pathetic.

    Incorrect, he was by the Speaker's Chair apparently.
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807

    Scott_P said:

    It's not even funny anymore

    @nedsimons: Rumour that Green MP Caroline Lucas being lined up as the 'surprising name' as shadow energy secretary.

    Excellent news
    Laughable
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,101
    Scott_P said:

    It's not even funny anymore

    @nedsimons: Rumour that Green MP Caroline Lucas being lined up as the 'surprising name' as shadow energy secretary.

    An 'opposition of national unity' wouldn't be a bad idea at the moment. Not one led by Corbyn though.

    I wonder if Clegg could even command a majority of MPs made up of mainstream Labour + enough remain Tories.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422

    John_N4 said:

    Surely Cameron doesn't dare invoke Article 50 without a vote in the House of Commons? He has no mandate.

    My understanding is he doesn't need one.
    It's Royal Prerogative - so the PM decides - in practice probably having discussed it with the Cabinet......

    Boris coming in for a lot of stick from all sides......
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited June 2016
    Does anyone know why the word "racist" is being used to describe attacks by Europeans on other Europeans? Maybe I'm being pedantic and should just accept that the meaning of the word has changed to refer to incidents which don't necessarily have anything to do with race.
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    AndyJS said:

    Does anyone know why the word "racist" is being used to describe attacks by Europeans on other Europeans? Maybe I'm being pedantic and should just accept that the meaning of the word has changed.

    What word would you recommend!
  • I am unnerved by the numbers of people I like, admire, and even love, who are absolutely shattered by this result - in tears, distraught, looking at horrible changes to their lives.

    It's very hard to be relentlessly stoical and convinced of one's virtue when this is happening to immediate friends and family.


    These people, though, were the ones happily stoking up all that weight on the camel's back and delightedly sneering at the plebs while they were doing it. You may like or love them but deep down they have some guilt here. The thing I am truly sorry about is that the establishment encouraged the inhabitants of the London bubble - their virtue signalling, their disdain. They still don't realise they're the bad guys. When that realisation dawns (if ever) then we can have a decent politics back.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Jobabob said:

    Scott_P said:

    It's not even funny anymore

    @nedsimons: Rumour that Green MP Caroline Lucas being lined up as the 'surprising name' as shadow energy secretary.

    Excellent news
    Laughable
    First sign of the 'progessive alliance' at the next election?
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,383
    PB fevered imaginations are one thing, but now I'm on holiday for a week tomorrow (bought my foreign currency a month ago). When I come back, Mr P will still be spinning like a top and Mr T will be on his third or fourth change of mind.

    But we'll still be out so that makes the sunshine even brighter. Hope it doesn't rain too hard for you, metaphorically or literally.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,519
    The current situation does appear very volatile, and I can't pretend not to be concerned.

    However.

    I don't believe the EU can go on as it is. Nor do I believe it is a stable prospect for the long term. The degree of integration will be unravelled by centuries of national sentiment, variation of culture, and democratic deficit.

    Consider how difficult things seem now. And then consider how much worse it would be if we were in the euro. Add ten years of integration, or twenty, and disentangling nation-states will not be impossible, but it may be bloody.

    The most alarming aspect appears to be the minimal planning from politicians, which amounts to a dereliction of duty. Damned fools have led us to this point (Cameron with a referendum he never wanted and thought he'd walk, and Boris, campaigning for something he never believed in and never wanted) but we must make the best of it.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited June 2016
    Completely off-topic: something called 'Google Play Service', which I've never consciously used and don't want to use, is using massive amounts of battery power (90%!) on my Android phone. How on earth do I kill it off?
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited June 2016

    the pound is only a cent or two lower than it was against the dollar in February.

    February Low: 1.386

    Current Price: 1.315
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,101
    AndyJS said:

    Does anyone know why the word "racist" is being used to describe attacks by Europeans on other Europeans? Maybe I'm being pedantic and should just accept that the meaning of the word has changed.

    Call it tribalist then. We've sunk even lower down the civilisational hierarchy.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,698


    I'm afraid we're justt going to have to differ on the issue of the relevance of proportions.

    I accept that there's an issue about financial services that's particularly relevant to (EU-friendly) London, given how imbalanced the UK economy has become. However, there's an issue about our declining manufacturing base, that's particularly relevant to us here in the West Midlands. That base has declined at a precipitate rate over the past 40 years, far more steeply than in other industrialised countries, and that coincides with our membership of the EU. Some rebalancing of our economy is necessary and desirable.

    I'm a Leaver, and let's be realistic, that has nothing to do with the EU.

    Look at the last 25 years. In 1991, the Germans got East Germany. It was a mess. There was nothing competitive about East German workers, and their formerly communist businesses were low quality and almost universally loss making.

    Now, East Germany is a manufacturing powerhouse. Wages are well above the levels of Sunderland. Unemployment - while higher than in the West - is now well under 10%, There is new equipment and the region exports to China, India, and the US. There are real jobs for people - and these aren't all in marketing or finance (the two British specialities).

    Rather than blaming external agencies (the EU), we need to ask what is it about the British system that allowed Walsall and Sunderland and Rotherham to be such disasters, while Germany (inside the EU) has made such a success of former East Germany.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180

    @henrymance: Dennis Skinner just flicked a V-sign at Labour MPs in the Commons. It's not quite fighting in the Turkish parliament, but give it time.

    Odds on Skinner being in the Shadow Cabinet by teatime?
    OMG - things must be bad - steady on!
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    @SeanT Just to cheer you up a bit - I purchased a copy of The Ice Twins on Saturday; 99p in Oxfam. I look forward to a good read.

    Many of us are now resisting the urge to post here who did it - and instantly turn your new book into a table leg straightener.

    I won't because I enjoyed reading my copy very much. Excellent book by @SeanT
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    SeanT said:

    In the name of sanity will you all calm down. The FTSE was 500 points lower than this last summer when China had a wobble and the pound is only a cent or two lower than it was against the dollar in February.

    Frankly the way our politicians are running round like headless chickens in a student union meltdown it is a testament to our healthy state that a far worse dip hasnt occured.

    But it's the GLOBAL contagion which is so unnerving. A bigger global stockmarket drop than Lehmans?? Italian banks teetering near default? There's a reasonable chance that Britain will pull through OK - but other countries will go over the edge.

    I know zerohedge is prone to hysteria, but his site is quite mind-bending at the mo.
    It is why the EU will deal. It always has been.

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited June 2016
    saddened said:

    AndyJS said:

    Does anyone know why the word "racist" is being used to describe attacks by Europeans on other Europeans? Maybe I'm being pedantic and should just accept that the meaning of the word has changed.

    What word would you recommend!
    I don't mind really but to use "racist" to describe something that doesn't have anything to do with race doesn't seem like a good choice if we're trying to have some sort of relation between words and their meaning.
  • ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,844
    The EU now wants us out of the EU. All this debate over whether we will invoke article 50 is moot. They didn't want Brexit because of the crisis it triggers, and the short term budget issues. But long term, an eu federation becomes more likely once the biggest obstacle, us, is removed. There is no possible way they could let us stay after this vote, holding the threat of article 50 over their heads

    There won't be contagion, look at Spanish election and a swing back to stability. This has hardly been a swimming start to Brexit and won't intice other countries. The EU wants us gone ASAP and if we don't invoke article 50 soon they will find other ways to shove us towards the door.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,104

    Completely off-topic: something called 'Google Play Service', which I've never consicously used and don't want to use, is using massive amounts of battery power (90!) on my Android phone. How on earth do I kill it off?

    You don't. You probably need it.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Completely off-topic: something called 'Google Play Service', which I've never consciously used and don't want to use, is using massive amounts of battery power (90%!) on my Android phone. How on earth do I kill it off?

    I believe that is how updates are delivered
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    Jonathan said:

    Completely off-topic: something called 'Google Play Service', which I've never consicously used and don't want to use, is using massive amounts of battery power (90!) on my Android phone. How on earth do I kill it off?

    You don't. You probably need it.
    If it's at 90% restart and hope it doesn't continue to leak...
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807

    Scott_P said:

    It's not even funny anymore

    @nedsimons: Rumour that Green MP Caroline Lucas being lined up as the 'surprising name' as shadow energy secretary.

    An 'opposition of national unity' wouldn't be a bad idea at the moment. Not one led by Corbyn though.

    I wonder if Clegg could even command a majority of MPs made up of mainstream Labour + enough remain Tories.
    Now THAT is a great idea.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Jonathan said:

    Completely off-topic: something called 'Google Play Service', which I've never consicously used and don't want to use, is using massive amounts of battery power (90!) on my Android phone. How on earth do I kill it off?

    You don't. You probably need it.
    Well, it wasn't using battery until a few days ago.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    But it's the GLOBAL contagion which is so unnerving. A bigger global stockmarket drop than Lehmans?? Italian banks teetering near default? There's a reasonable chance that Britain will pull through OK - but other countries will go over the edge.

    One aspect of today's performance by the remainer furies is how uncritical they are of the authorities' hand in all this. It Is All The Fault Of British Voters.

    Never mind the world created for us by the global elite has already suffered one heart attack in 2008, and doesn;t deliver for vast swathes of its citizens.

    No siree. It's all our fault. Every bit of it. What an absurd notion.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    The pound was @ 1.51 to the dollar back when the Stock market had the 'blip'
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,044
    CD13 said:

    Just to cheer up you sad Remainers.

    I've phoned one of my brothers in Brexit Central. He says Boston is overjoyed and not worried at all. It's party time there. If you go and claim to have voted Leave you'll be garlanded with flowers.

    Let's see if Boston is still dancing in the streets when Boris has negotiated a deal with continued Freedom of Movement - suckers.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,839
    So where is the coward Boris?

    He's not running a department like Osborne.

    Will Boris will now only be commentating via his Telegraph column?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,101
    rcs1000 said:

    Rather than blaming external agencies (the EU), we need to ask what is it about the British system that allowed Walsall and Sunderland and Rotherham to be such disasters, while Germany (inside the EU) has made such a success of former East Germany.

    So do you see Brexit as just a way of blowing up the Westminster system which has failed large parts of the country? If so, you will probably get your wish but at great cost.

    We would have been far better off if Eurosceptics had spent the last 25 years addressing the real issues at a national level rather than using Europe as a proxy to stoke discontent.
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    utterly classless



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    FUCK OFF KEN CLARKE

  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,229
    RodCrosby said:

    Jobabob said:

    Scott_P said:

    It's not even funny anymore

    @nedsimons: Rumour that Green MP Caroline Lucas being lined up as the 'surprising name' as shadow energy secretary.

    Excellent news
    Laughable
    First sign of the 'progessive alliance' at the next election?
    Which are the Greens' top twenty target seats and who currently holds them?
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822

    Jonathan said:

    Completely off-topic: something called 'Google Play Service', which I've never consicously used and don't want to use, is using massive amounts of battery power (90!) on my Android phone. How on earth do I kill it off?

    You don't. You probably need it.
    If it's at 90% restart and hope it doesn't continue to leak...
    I've restarted several times (not least because the battery has run out).
  • AndyJS said:

    David Lammy on how he thinks parliament should reject the referendum result:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jcATmvGiDQ

    Is that a BBC or ZBC interview?
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    taffys said:

    But it's the GLOBAL contagion which is so unnerving. A bigger global stockmarket drop than Lehmans?? Italian banks teetering near default? There's a reasonable chance that Britain will pull through OK - but other countries will go over the edge.

    One aspect of today's performance by the remainer furies is how uncritical they are of the authorities' hand in all this. It Is All The Fault Of British Voters.

    Never mind the world created for us by the global elite has already suffered one heart attack in 2008, and doesn;t deliver for vast swathes of its citizens.

    No siree. It's all our fault. Every bit of it. What an absurd notion.

    The lack of confidence in a Uk free EU is a big part of it.

  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Was Boris Johnson really absent?
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    AndyJS said:

    Does anyone know why the word "racist" is being used to describe attacks by Europeans on other Europeans? Maybe I'm being pedantic and should just accept that the meaning of the word has changed to refer to incidents which don't necessarily have anything to do with race.

    The word is pretty much meaningless these days. It can mean whatever you choose it to mean.

    Unless you are a rabid SJW the word has lost much of its power through misuse and dilution.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,925
    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    Jobabob said:

    Jeremy Corbyn MP ‏@jeremycorbyn 17h17 hours ago
    Those wanting to change Labour's leadership will have to stand in a democratic election in which I'll be a candidate

    Can someone tell me why the splitters dont want to do this.


    It can only be because they want to impose a new leader without members getting a say IMO

    Anyone?

    Surely some of the splitter supporters on here must have a view?
    Corbyn has been given plenty of time. He has utterly failed. If the party has to split and be led in parliament by someone vaguely competent, so be it
    So you dont want a democratic election where members get a say


    Fair enough nor do the splitters
    Appreciate the effort at spinning. You are Peter Mandelson and I claim my £5
    Do you want the members to decide a new Lab leader?

    Simple question no spin required.

    If so Those wanting to change Labour's leadership will have to stand in a democratic election in which JC will be a candidate.

    Whats the problem?
    I would like to see the leadership rules played with a straight bat. As such candidates should only be nominated if they have the actual, real support of the PLP. Clearly to lead Labour you need the support of both members and MPs.

    If I were to change anything I would amend the £3 rules where anyone can claim to be a supporter of the party and get a vote. We caught some Tories for Corbyn at my CLP (a sitting councillor FFS), but I suspect we didn't catch them all.
    So maybe John McDonnell wouldnt get on the ballot because he might be too popular with members.

    I agree that having some support within the PLP is important but the current PLP views are off the scale to the right of members supporters and in my view voters.

    I think Corbyn might step down if the Labour left could muster even 35 in the PLP but i dont think it can.

    Do you genuinely think the right of the party will allow a straight bat approach if it meant either Corbyn or McDonnell were on the ballot?
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,449
    taffys said:

    But it's the GLOBAL contagion which is so unnerving. A bigger global stockmarket drop than Lehmans?? Italian banks teetering near default? There's a reasonable chance that Britain will pull through OK - but other countries will go over the edge.

    One aspect of today's performance by the remainer furies is how uncritical they are of the authorities' hand in all this. It Is All The Fault Of British Voters.

    Never mind the world created for us by the global elite has already suffered one heart attack in 2008, and doesn;t deliver for vast swathes of its citizens.

    No siree. It's all our fault. Every bit of it. What an absurd notion.

    British voters were given plenty of warning of what would happen. It's their fault they ignored the warnings, aided and abetted by Leave celebrities who told them experts weren't needed anymore.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,805

    Jonathan said:

    Completely off-topic: something called 'Google Play Service', which I've never consicously used and don't want to use, is using massive amounts of battery power (90!) on my Android phone. How on earth do I kill it off?

    You don't. You probably need it.
    Well, it wasn't using battery until a few days ago.
    Brussels have implanted a Leave virus onto all UK computers and mobile devices.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    JRM should be PM - class act.
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    SeanT said:

    Compelling photo

    Osborne looks ruined. Grayling looks furious, and maybe also ruined


    https://twitter.com/david_oldbolt/status/747445077895684096

    I imagine it falls into the category of tired and cba. A series of people scrawl graffiti on your walls, shit on your lawn and then hang around abusing you and telling you that it's your job to clean it up.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,839

    Was Boris Johnson really absent?

    Yes.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,121
    TGOHF said:

    JRM should be PM - class act.

    Sorry, did you mean Class Twat. I think you made a spelling mistake.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    Was Boris Johnson really absent?

    Yes.
    What a crass misjudgement.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,023
    matt said:

    SeanT said:

    Compelling photo

    Osborne looks ruined. Grayling looks furious, and maybe also ruined


    https://twitter.com/david_oldbolt/status/747445077895684096

    I imagine it falls into the category of tired and cba. A series of people scrawl graffiti on your walls, shit on your lawn and then hang around abusing you and telling you that it's your job to clean it up.
    As in what Osborne has done to the British economy?
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 10,042

    taffys said:

    But it's the GLOBAL contagion which is so unnerving. A bigger global stockmarket drop than Lehmans?? Italian banks teetering near default? There's a reasonable chance that Britain will pull through OK - but other countries will go over the edge.

    One aspect of today's performance by the remainer furies is how uncritical they are of the authorities' hand in all this. It Is All The Fault Of British Voters.

    Never mind the world created for us by the global elite has already suffered one heart attack in 2008, and doesn;t deliver for vast swathes of its citizens.

    No siree. It's all our fault. Every bit of it. What an absurd notion.

    British voters were given plenty of warning of what would happen. It's their fault they ignored the warnings, aided and abetted by Leave celebrities who told them experts weren't needed anymore.
    But only half of us did that.
  • JonCisBackJonCisBack Posts: 911
    SeanT said:

    saddened said:

    SeanT said:

    Sean_F said:

    SeanT said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Lammy ranting on Sky: "Referendum needs 2/3rds majority. We can't have rule by the mob! I'll never vote for Brexit in the HoC"

    I voted Leave and my conscience is also clear.

    Sean is being a knob. You make your choices and you live with them. You don't go to pieces at the first sign of trouble.
    Quite. I couldn't give a toss about the financial markets.
    I'm not going to pieces, but it would take a halfwit not to be worried by the potential for economic calamity - and the dissolution of the Union.
    Do you ever go back and look at what you have written on here in the past?

    The vitriol you poured on people who declared for remain was quite something. 2 working days in and your flapping like a big girl
    lol. I happily admit it's not been my finest hour. I am unnerved. Im my defence, I am unnerved by the numbers of people I like, admire, and even love, who are absolutely shattered by this result - in tears, distraught, looking at horrible changes to their lives.

    It's very hard to be relentlessly stoical and convinced of one's virtue when this is happening to immediate friends and family.
    Oh man up.

    I am mystified by this belated outpouring of love for the EU. Most people I know were in the end Remainers, but almost to a man and woman they were pretty reluctant, taking a "better the devil you know" or "yeah the EU is a bit shit, but it;s too risky to leave" view. Fair enough I guess.

    But this woe and handwringing is just bizarre, like we'd elected to all relocate to the Pitcairns and live without electricity. The short term uncertainty and even turmoil is totally expected. We will be just fine, and in a couple of years we will not regret it IMHO.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,365

    RodCrosby said:

    Jobabob said:

    Scott_P said:

    It's not even funny anymore

    @nedsimons: Rumour that Green MP Caroline Lucas being lined up as the 'surprising name' as shadow energy secretary.

    Excellent news
    Laughable
    First sign of the 'progessive alliance' at the next election?
    Which are the Greens' top twenty target seats and who currently holds them?
    Norwich South, Bristol West, Sheffield Central ?
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,121
    Observation DC....the best Tory politician of his generation.....

    FWIW....I think the better Cameron comes across now, the more likely Boris will not succeed him.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,925
    Jobabob said:

    Scott_P said:

    It's not even funny anymore

    @nedsimons: Rumour that Green MP Caroline Lucas being lined up as the 'surprising name' as shadow energy secretary.

    Excellent news
    Laughable
    Do you not like Caroline?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,839

    Was Boris Johnson really absent?

    Yes.
    What a crass misjudgement.
    And Gove cowering behind The Speaker's chair.

    At least Grayling manned up and sat on the front bench
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454

    Jonathan said:

    Completely off-topic: something called 'Google Play Service', which I've never consicously used and don't want to use, is using massive amounts of battery power (90!) on my Android phone. How on earth do I kill it off?

    You don't. You probably need it.
    If it's at 90% restart and hope it doesn't continue to leak...
    I've restarted several times (not least because the battery has run out).
    \Is your firmware up to date?
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180

    Extraordinary that Boris has not shown up. What a complete tosser he is. I very much look forward to him taking over as PM and being exposed to the full consequences of the lies he told.

    I must admit it's a cowardly thing to do - I'd have thought Gove would have had a greater sense of decency, but there you go.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,925

    Jonathan said:

    Completely off-topic: something called 'Google Play Service', which I've never consicously used and don't want to use, is using massive amounts of battery power (90!) on my Android phone. How on earth do I kill it off?

    You don't. You probably need it.
    Well, it wasn't using battery until a few days ago.
    Brussels have implanted a Leave virus onto all UK computers and mobile devices.
    Its only affecting remainers mobile devices I understand
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited June 2016
    Corbyn's speech at 15:40. Once again he doesn't sound particularly heartbroken by the result of the referendum, starting off by praising the high turnout:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbcparliament
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807

    Jobabob said:

    Scott_P said:

    It's not even funny anymore

    @nedsimons: Rumour that Green MP Caroline Lucas being lined up as the 'surprising name' as shadow energy secretary.

    Excellent news
    Laughable
    Do you not like Caroline?
    She's okay, but the fact that Corbyn is having to resort to MPs from other parties to fill his OWN FRONT BENCH should tell you all you need to know about his power in parliament
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''British voters were given plenty of warning of what would happen. It's their fault they ignored the warnings, aided and abetted by Leave celebrities who told them experts weren't needed anymore. ''

    The global economy should be able to take in its stride a change in political direction its fifth or sixth largest participant, surely.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    tyson said:

    TGOHF said:

    JRM should be PM - class act.

    Sorry, did you mean Class Twat. I think you made a spelling mistake.
    you appear to be a class obsessed twat - please try and get over categorising people by their heritage and birth - it's awful.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,198
    Today is one of the finest demonstration of Statesmanship by David Cameron and the pity is that neither Boris or Gove had the courtesy to attend. In my opinion he will be sadly missed
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792

    AndyJS said:

    David Lammy on how he thinks parliament should reject the referendum result:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jcATmvGiDQ

    Is that a BBC or ZBC interview?
    Keep it up Lammy. You're doing God's work.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    Completely off-topic: something called 'Google Play Service', which I've never consicously used and don't want to use, is using massive amounts of battery power (90!) on my Android phone. How on earth do I kill it off?

    You can hunt around the menus for the running apps and see what options you have...

    OR, and this is what I do, use the power/restart for your phone to clear it all up.

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @StigAbell: Boris Johnson doesn't attend commons debate on Brexit. He explains why next Monday only in the Telegraph.
  • JonathanDJonathanD Posts: 2,400



    I don't believe the EU can go on as it is. Nor do I believe it is a stable prospect for the long term.

    Five years ago you were warning of the imminent collapse of the euro - its still going. The only union that is going to collapse now is the UK.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    There was always going to be buyer’s remorse whichever way the result went. If it had been a close Remain vote a lot of floating voters who voted Remain would have been giving interviews now saying how they wish they’d voted Leave.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    rcs1000 said:

    Rather than blaming external agencies (the EU), we need to ask what is it about the British system that allowed Walsall and Sunderland and Rotherham to be such disasters, while Germany (inside the EU) has made such a success of former East Germany.

    ....

    We would have been far better off if Eurosceptics had spent the last 25 years addressing the real issues at a national level rather than using Europe as a proxy to stoke discontent.
    Some of us were, just look at the posts on here from Alanbrooke and myself, amongst others, over the past few years. Every time someone tried to protest they were fobbed off, the politicians knew best, them and those terribly clever fellows in the city.

    Look, FFS, at what Osborne himself said back in 2010; then consider what he actually did and weep.

    However, it is not an either or. Yes we have huge structural problems that no one seems to want to address and there is a bigger issue with democracy and accountability, which we are now starting to address.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,839
    AndyJS said:

    There was always going to be buyer’s remorse whichever way the result went. If it had been a close Remain vote a lot of floating voters who voted Remain would have been giving interviews now saying how they wish they’d voted Leave.

    Nah, Remain wouldn't have seen the financial market reactions we'd seen with Leave winning
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    AndyJS said:

    There was always going to be buyer’s remorse whichever way the result went. If it had been a close Remain vote a lot of floating voters who voted Remain would have been giving interviews now saying how they wish they’d voted Leave.

    Much less likely. We'd have all forgotten about it by now and would have been getting on with out lives.
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