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  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,375
    DNC and GOP conferences in under a month. I can barely keep up.
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    NEC and PLP need to change the rules now and freeze out the Left

    Pong said:

    I've taken the few quid available at 13/1 on Corbyn standing down between October & Dec.

    I don't care if I win a hundred quid though.

    For the good of the party and the country, just go now. Please.

    Limpet Corbyn. What a self-centred, snivelling little man. And this from the party of Aneurin Bevan and Clem Atlee.
    A truly pathetic episode.
  • DanSmithDanSmith Posts: 1,215
    AndyJS said:

    Pulpstar said:

    A General Election in October ?

    Wow.

    These politicians are really spoiling us.

    Don't two-thirds of MPs have to vote in favour of an early election for it to happen? Labour and SNP could block it.
    Only need a simple majority to change the law.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    I'm voting for Boris

    He promised us Brexit with no free movement and £350m a week to the NHS, I want to see him try and deliver it.

    Hmmm. I seem to remember you were originally voting for Leave as well :D
    I saw the error of my ways.

    Now about that 7/4 on Osborne. Heh
    Only makes my Leave vote all the more admirable, imho ;)
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    I told Mike on Saturday to prep for an Autumn election

    @JohnRentoul: Unofficial part of the 1922 Committee timetable: general election on 13 October.

    My assumption was 10th November - hold conferences as manifesto launches, then reconvene parliament and immediately pass the motion for an election. The '22 seem to have binned off conference which means the new leader passing the dissolution motion in the 2 week session of w/c 5th and w/c 12th September.

    Why? Surely they would want their new leader to have a conference to put themselves properly onto people's attention and make their case?

    Either way, I have convened meetings later this week to start our GE prep in my constituency.
    Can't Corbyn only be challenged officially at Conference? If he refuses to resign then a pre Conference election would be against Corbyn right?
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    A General Election in October ?

    Graham Brady hinted this will not take place - saying Brexit vote confers a mandate for the time being (according to tw8tter).
  • SandraMSandraM Posts: 206
    edited June 2016
    BTW did anyone see "The Last Leg" on Friday? Boris's dad, Stanley, was on and was rambling about how the Johnson family play cricket each year against another prominent family and in addition to his sons and grandsons, the guest on their team is Kevin Pietersen.

    How appropriate I thought. Pietersen - the Lord Haw-Haw of the England team.
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807

    I was convinced Boris would be a shoo-in, but now I'm having serious doubts. What with the way the whole Brexit lark is going, the Tories will want to put maximum distance between them and it as soon as possible. They'll try and blame it on UKIP and Labour's ineffectiveness as much as possible. Boris and Gove can just be jettisoned as aberrations.


    What happens if a Remainian wins the Tory leadership contest?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,579
    AndyJS said:

    Pulpstar said:

    A General Election in October ?

    Wow.

    These politicians are really spoiling us.

    Don't two-thirds of MPs have to vote in favour of an early election for it to happen? Labour and SNP could block it.
    They should just repeal the FTPA now.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,855
    Oh crap. What was that bet Pulpy and I had with Tissue Price on the number of Lab MPs at the time of the next Lab leadership contest.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Patrick Kidd
    In defence questions. The newly appointed shadow defence secretary hasn't made it back from Glastonbury in time...
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,375
    Will the seats be the same as last time or 600 seats ?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,810
    Sorry Luciana, I misunderestimated you earlier.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    Oh crap. What was that bet Pulpy and I had with Tissue Price on the number of Lab MPs at the time of the next Lab leadership contest.

    Pulpstar has £50 @1/2 on Labour having 201+ MPs at their next leadership election.

    You have £50 @ 11/5 on 101-200
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited June 2016

    Pong said:

    I've taken the few quid available at 13/1 on Corbyn standing down between October & Dec.

    I don't care if I win a hundred quid though.

    For the good of the party and the country, just go now. Please.

    Limpet Corbyn. What a self-centred, snivelling little man. And this from the party of Aneurin Bevan and Clem Atlee.
    No, I won't go personal on him - although many will.
  • bazzerbazzer Posts: 44
    Incredible that Osborne is trying to cling on after the humiliation. Start contrast to grace and dignity of Cameron. Probably thinks he has patronage and power base to cling on like a rat, but surely should go properly after leading the most unsuccessful high-risk gamble? I honestly believe his emergency budget threat - which nobody believed and which he basically admitted today was made up - was a gift to the leave side, and possibly critical to their victory.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited June 2016
    PlatoSaid said:

    Patrick Kidd
    In defence questions. The newly appointed shadow defence secretary hasn't made it back from Glastonbury in time...

    As the former shadow Def minister, Hyacinth Bucket said she'd stand in for him
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,375

    Oh crap. What was that bet Pulpy and I had with Tissue Price on the number of Lab MPs at the time of the next Lab leadership contest.

    I am on 200+ MPs for Jezza when he stands down. You were on 100-200.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    An interesting Betfair market on Corbyn:

    JC to go before next General Election?
    Currently 4.3 for 'No' - if he survives this week and the GE is in October that's value?
    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.121876619
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @nj_morrison: #BREAKING Poland wants second in-out 'Brexit' referendum: ruling party leader @AFP #Poland
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,855

    Oh crap. What was that bet Pulpy and I had with Tissue Price on the number of Lab MPs at the time of the next Lab leadership contest.

    Pulpstar has £50 @1/2 on Labour having 201+ MPs at their next leadership election.

    You have £50 @ 11/5 on 101-200
    I guess I'm going to be sending you some money this week.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    Jonathan said:

    Boris needs to shake off the Hestletine thing. Have May and Osborne made peace?

    Maybe not, but I think you can be very confident that Boris and Osborne aren't exactly the bestest of friends at the moment.
    I thought Osborne's machine was backing Boris.
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,383
    Mr nunu,

    "Seriously though as an outer I would accept May. I think she would destroy whoever Labour put up."

    Gisela Stuart?

    Loses the sex advantage straight away.
  • DanSmith said:

    AndyJS said:

    Pulpstar said:

    A General Election in October ?

    Wow.

    These politicians are really spoiling us.

    Don't two-thirds of MPs have to vote in favour of an early election for it to happen? Labour and SNP could block it.
    Only need a simple majority to change the law.
    They'd have to get it through Lords, where there's no Tory majority.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    "Justine Greening: The country can’t wait until October. Johnson and May should reach an agreement – and take over now."

    http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2016/06/justine-greening-the-country-cant-wait-until-october-johnson-and-may-should-reach-an-agreement-and-take-over-now.html
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Scott_P said:

    @MichaelLCrick: Source from left-wing Campaign for Labour Party Democracy says considering pressing for full mandatory reselection in every Labour seat

    If I was a far left type in Labour I would. The other side has this weekend declared all out war on the leader, what else have they got to lose by not seeking mandatory reselection?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    bazzer said:

    I honestly believe his emergency budget threat - which nobody believed and which he basically admitted today was made up .

    It will be delivered this year

    The state of Brexiterr denial is unfathomable
  • FensterFenster Posts: 2,115
    I bet the polling companies can't wait for an autumn GE!

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    PlatoSaid said:

    Omnium said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Burgon still strongly batting for Corbyn.

    As one of the most experienced shadow ministers he's worth listening to...

    Mind you he must be a trifle upset that Rebecca Long-Bailey got the chief secretary role. Who knew she had such a powerful economic mind?
    I think I saw her on Sky - looks about 25. Said she'd been a commercial lawyer - but had an interest in economics.
    Wiki reckons she's 36, same age as Lisa Nandy
  • YellowSubmarineYellowSubmarine Posts: 2,740
    Christ Almighty. Boris or May vs Corbyn in a General Election on a stability/Brexit ticket. It could very easierly be worse than 1983 for Labour.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    Oh crap. What was that bet Pulpy and I had with Tissue Price on the number of Lab MPs at the time of the next Lab leadership contest.

    Pulpstar has £50 @1/2 on Labour having 201+ MPs at their next leadership election.

    You have £50 @ 11/5 on 101-200
    I guess I'm going to be sending you some money this week.
    If Corbyn hangs in there I reckon I could scoop this.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    PlatoSaid said:

    Patrick Kidd
    In defence questions. The newly appointed shadow defence secretary hasn't made it back from Glastonbury in time...

    As the former shadow Def minister, Hyacinth Bucket said she'd stand in for him
    This is all beyond bonkers - the papers are barely worth reading, the avalanche of news is overtaking every article or update.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,873
    edited June 2016
    Pro_Rata said:

    ICM GE VI poll out, fieldwork at weekend:

    Con 36% (+1), Lab 32% (-1), UKIP 15% (+1), LD 7% (-2), SNP 5% (+1)

    Volatility in this market not yet kicked in.

    So given the accuracy of the pollsters that means Con somewhere between 30-40, Labour between 25-35....
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited June 2016
    O/T:

    9/1 available with Betfair Exchange for England scoring more than 3 goals vs Iceland and winning the match. Seems like value:

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/football/event?id=27834765&exp=e
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    Christ Almighty. Boris or May vs Corbyn in a General Election on a stability/Brexit ticket. It could very easierly be worse than 1983 for Labour.

    Yes. And Farage v "Unlimited immigration" Corbyn in the North is the wildcard.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,592
    Is the triggering and completion of the Labour leadership election now effectively a race, and what are the hurdles to it being wrapped up as fast as the Tories. The triggering should be fast enough, but trying to remember some of the arcane details from last year.

    Will it need conference to be pulled forward to August Bank Holiday week?
    Are the organisers of the Labour election going to be amenable to a rapid election?
    What roadblocks can be thrown in the way?
    Any curveballs outwith the leadership election, e.g. this mandatory reselection idea?
    How much time for 3 quidders to sign back up?

    If this isn't possible, could SDP2 emerge by September 2nd as a simple function of practicality - could it be that the need for rapidity is what drives a split? Is that something the Tories have one eye on?
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    AndyJS said:

    "Justine Greening: The country can’t wait until October. Johnson and May should reach an agreement – and take over now."

    http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2016/06/justine-greening-the-country-cant-wait-until-october-johnson-and-may-should-reach-an-agreement-and-take-over-now.html

    She was very solid on Sky earlier - a grown-up with no bias.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    What's the timetable if there are only two candidates nominated?
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Scott_P said:

    @nj_morrison: #BREAKING Poland wants second in-out 'Brexit' referendum: ruling party leader @AFP #Poland

    In Britain or Poland?
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    Scott_P said:

    @nj_morrison: #BREAKING Poland wants second in-out 'Brexit' referendum: ruling party leader @AFP #Poland

    They want us to vote again?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @STJamesl: No confidence vote in Corbyn to be held tomorrow, labour sources say
  • FensterFenster Posts: 2,115
    RodCrosby said:
    This will get very nasty.

    The Momentum lot like to pick on women too, so it won't be nice.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Sandpit said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Omnium said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Burgon still strongly batting for Corbyn.

    As one of the most experienced shadow ministers he's worth listening to...

    Mind you he must be a trifle upset that Rebecca Long-Bailey got the chief secretary role. Who knew she had such a powerful economic mind?
    I think I saw her on Sky - looks about 25. Said she'd been a commercial lawyer - but had an interest in economics.
    Wiki reckons she's 36, same age as Lisa Nandy
    I wish I looked 25 when I was 36.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,040
    Jobabob said:

    I was convinced Boris would be a shoo-in, but now I'm having serious doubts. What with the way the whole Brexit lark is going, the Tories will want to put maximum distance between them and it as soon as possible. They'll try and blame it on UKIP and Labour's ineffectiveness as much as possible. Boris and Gove can just be jettisoned as aberrations.


    What happens if a Remainian wins the Tory leadership contest?

    The Tories dodge a very nasty bullet. But Boris is a shoe-in, surely.

  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,011

    Can't Corbyn only be challenged officially at Conference? If he refuses to resign then a pre Conference election would be against Corbyn right?

    If he doesn't go this week there will be two conferences - Labour and Progressive Labour...
  • AndyJS said:

    "Justine Greening: The country can’t wait until October. Johnson and May should reach an agreement – and take over now."

    http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2016/06/justine-greening-the-country-cant-wait-until-october-johnson-and-may-should-reach-an-agreement-and-take-over-now.html

    I'd support that, time to get on with things.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    I understand the Poles want a vote in Poland
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,302
    Scott_P said:

    bazzer said:

    I honestly believe his emergency budget threat - which nobody believed and which he basically admitted today was made up .

    It will be delivered this year

    The state of Brexiterr denial is unfathomable
    Former Chairman of the Bank of England says you don't know anything.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    Scott_P said:

    @nj_morrison: #BREAKING Poland wants second in-out 'Brexit' referendum: ruling party leader @AFP #Poland

    Would have been so much easier if the EU had just offered the concept of Associate Membership in the first place, to those who didn't want the Euro.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,592

    Can't Corbyn only be challenged officially at Conference? If he refuses to resign then a pre Conference election would be against Corbyn right?

    If he doesn't go this week there will be two conferences - Labour and Progressive Labour...
    The powers that be can call an emergency conference for a leadership contest if they so wish. I don't think they envisioned it happening just a few weeks before actual conference, but they could.
  • dyingswandyingswan Posts: 189
    I assume that Jeremy Corbyn is a PBer. So, three pieces of advice, Jeremy.
    1. Stick it out. They are all paper tigers.
    2. Listen to Seumas. He knows how to deal with counter -revolutionaries.
    3.Promote Richard Burgon. He could be a natural heir.
    Oh -I forgot-get your landlord to tie back that rose bush on your front path. Otherwise it will catch somebody in the face and it is embarrassing when you duck down under it. Fraternally yours.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,016

    Jobabob said:

    I was convinced Boris would be a shoo-in, but now I'm having serious doubts. What with the way the whole Brexit lark is going, the Tories will want to put maximum distance between them and it as soon as possible. They'll try and blame it on UKIP and Labour's ineffectiveness as much as possible. Boris and Gove can just be jettisoned as aberrations.


    What happens if a Remainian wins the Tory leadership contest?

    The Tories dodge a very nasty bullet. But Boris is a shoe-in, surely.

    Not so sure. I think the Tories will now ditch Boris - a sort of act of penance.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Sandpit said:

    Scott_P said:

    @nj_morrison: #BREAKING Poland wants second in-out 'Brexit' referendum: ruling party leader @AFP #Poland

    Would have been so much easier if the EU had just offered the concept of Associate Membership in the first place, to those who didn't want the Euro.
    They did. We just decided to leave it.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    edited June 2016
    Fenster said:

    I bet the polling companies can't wait for an autumn GE!

    Will they even bother, now that all their high-paying corporate clients can see how wrong the polls are again, on the front pages?
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    dyingswan said:

    I assume that Jeremy Corbyn is a PBer. So, three pieces of advice, Jeremy.
    1. Stick it out. They are all paper tigers.
    2. Listen to Seumas. He knows how to deal with counter -revolutionaries.
    3.Promote Richard Burgon. He could be a natural heir.
    Oh -I forgot-get your landlord to tie back that rose bush on your front path. Otherwise it will catch somebody in the face and it is embarrassing when you duck down under it. Fraternally yours.

    100% agree, esp point 3.
  • YellowSubmarineYellowSubmarine Posts: 2,740
    edited June 2016
    Fits in with the ' Suez on Steroids ' analysis. At least the French were on our side in Suez.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,040
    FTSE 250 down over 6% on the day now. That's a 14% fall in the last two trading days.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    SeanT said:

    Some of my ridiculous Corbynite friends who had gone off Corbyn have now decided to campaign for him again.

    Their idiocy is boundless, much as I love them.

    Were they calling for a second referendum aswell?
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    According to linkedin, John Llewellyn was global chief economist at Lehman Brothers for a decade up to September 2008. It does not say why he left. *innocent face*

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-llewellyn-a6249316
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,016
    SeanT said:

    Some of my ridiculous Corbynite friends who had gone off Corbyn have now decided to campaign for him again.

    Their idiocy is boundless, much as I love them.

    Did they explain their thinking?
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    According to linkedin, John Llewellyn was global chief economist at Lehman Brothers for a decade up to September 2008. It does not say why he left. *innocent face*

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-llewellyn-a6249316
    :lol:
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Scott_P said:

    bazzer said:

    I honestly believe his emergency budget threat - which nobody believed and which he basically admitted today was made up .

    It will be delivered this year
    Not by George ..
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,040

    Can't Corbyn only be challenged officially at Conference? If he refuses to resign then a pre Conference election would be against Corbyn right?

    If he doesn't go this week there will be two conferences - Labour and Progressive Labour...

    He is not going anywhere. He'll lead Labour into the general election.

  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    M Gove esq. seems to have gone very quiet since last Thursday...
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,907
    Scott_P said:

    I understand the Poles want a vote in Poland

    Er....?
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180
    JonathanD said:

    Scott_P said:

    @MarkFoxNews: Very good news @David_Cameron intends to remain as an MP. #DavidCameron

    Sitting behind Boris laughing at him...

    I think all he has guaranteed is that after he steps down as PM he won't resign before the next GE, which if it is in October isn't that onerous a promise. You're right about the laughing at him however...

    His last action as PM should be to reduce PM salary to that of an MP.
    If it is Boris why so high?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,873
    At this rate, the likes of Mauren from Margate and other assorted individuals who write into Jezza every week for his PMQ questions will be in the shadow cabinet.

    It reminds we of that infamous story of Harry Redknapp in a preseason friendly bringing on a bloke out the crowd.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    FTSE 250 down over 6% on the day now. That's a 14% fall in the last two trading days.

    Former Chairman of the Bank of England says you don't know anything.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited June 2016
    Can any Leaver tell me how this particular circle is going to be squared?

    There will be Controls on Immigration
    There will be an open border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland
  • perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    Go Theresa!
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    TGOHF said:

    Not by George ..

    Less sure of that today than it looked yesterday
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    They’ll achieve as much by signing an on-line petition, and save on the bus fare.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Alistair said:

    Can any Leaver tell me how this particular circle is going to be squared?

    No

    Whichever circle they lied about
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,121
    SeanT said:

    Some of my ridiculous Corbynite friends who had gone off Corbyn have now decided to campaign for him again.

    Their idiocy is boundless, much as I love them.

    For decades the hard left have yearned for control of the Labour Party....so it comes as no surprise that they are hard pressed to go quietly. This is perhaps the last chance of a hard left grouping to take control of a mainstream party......so little wonder they are fighting to hold on.

    The problem is that Corbyn, is a duffer. And you cannot get round duffers.
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    Alistair said:

    Can any Leaver tell me how this particular circle is going to be squared?

    There will be Controls on Immigration
    There will be an open border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland

    Eire leaves the EU.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,873

    They’ll achieve as much by signing an on-line petition, and save on the bus fare.
    Especially the likes of the ones from the Vatican City and the Arctic...
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180
    bazzer said:

    Incredible that Osborne is trying to cling on after the humiliation. Start contrast to grace and dignity of Cameron. Probably thinks he has patronage and power base to cling on like a rat, but surely should go properly after leading the most unsuccessful high-risk gamble? I honestly believe his emergency budget threat - which nobody believed and which he basically admitted today was made up - was a gift to the leave side, and possibly critical to their victory.

    He has sensibly confirmed that it will follow an OBR assessment in the Autumn. It won't be pretty if things haven't settled by then and not very nice if they had.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 10,047
    Alistair said:

    Can any Leaver tell me how this particular circle is going to be squared?

    There will be Controls on Immigration
    There will be an open border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland

    ... and between England and an independent Scotland.
  • John_N4John_N4 Posts: 553
    edited June 2016
    I've just read Boris Johnson's manifesto from yesterday. He says after Brexit there will continue to be free trade and access to the EU single market. Then he says there will be a points-based immigration policy. Well you can't have both, because the single market equals the four freedoms. You simply cannot have both unless you change the EU's policy in a way that one single country that is about to leave the EU will not possibly be able to.

    He also says British people will still be able to go and work in the EU, to live there, to study and buy homes there, and to settle down. No conditions mentioned. But Britain, he says, will operate a points-based immigration policy. So we get an irregular verb:

    * foreigners come here as immigrants (dirty word)
    * British people go abroad to work, live, study, and settle down (friendly words)

    What is he trying to do? Reform the EU and stay in? We know he has a personal plan and a big ego, but does he actually have a feasible aim here? Doesn't seem to me that he does. Isn't this likely to be realised by even the most diehard Leavites, if not in the re-election-hungry PCP then surely among the membership? Most of them understand "you can't have something for nothing".

    It's an obvious point, just as "the SNP doesn't know what currency they want" was in 2014. What will Boris say when it's put to him?

    If he teams up with Marine Le Pen and gets France on his side - which would require that she get into the Elysée next May, he might possibly have a chance. But would he do that?

    Is there value in laying Boris at 2.22?
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,302

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_P said:

    @nj_morrison: #BREAKING Poland wants second in-out 'Brexit' referendum: ruling party leader @AFP #Poland

    Would have been so much easier if the EU had just offered the concept of Associate Membership in the first place, to those who didn't want the Euro.
    They did. We just decided to leave it.
    LOL. That is a classic of rewriting history. No Richard. Just for the record. They didn't offer anything of the sort.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Fenster said:

    RodCrosby said:
    This will get very nasty.

    The Momentum lot like to pick on women too, so it won't be nice.
    I hope the media village camped out there have roller-shutters...
  • YellowSubmarineYellowSubmarine Posts: 2,740
    edited June 2016

    FTSE 250 down over 6% on the day now. That's a 14% fall in the last two trading days.

    The Transatlantic Civilisation or " The West " must stand. As prominent UK politicians like Gove and Boris said on national television they wanted Brexit to start the collapse of the EU ( which would trigger a Depression, quasi fascism and Russian incursion into the Baltics ) it's essential the US and Franco/German deep states now Kneecap us to prevent contagion. It's a tragedy but England is an old country. We'll survive just as we survived Suez. I suppose this time though we can't recover from post Imperial Overstretch by joining Europe though. We were told.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,770
    taffys said:

    M Gove esq. seems to have gone very quiet since last Thursday...

    Lying in a darkened room, going 'what have I wrought, what have I wrought'.

    And he'll not be round for dinner again with Dave and Sam.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,907
    Alistair said:

    Can any Leaver tell me how this particular circle is going to be squared?

    There will be Controls on Immigration
    There will be an open border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland

    Didn't we always have an open border with Ireland (even before Free Movement) due to the relationship between Ire and N. Ire?
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822

    LOL. That is a classic of rewriting history. No Richard. Just for the record. They didn't offer anything of the sort.

    In what way would this fabled 'Associate Membership' differ from what we had?
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180

    Scott_P said:

    @MichaelLCrick: Source from left-wing Campaign for Labour Party Democracy says considering pressing for full mandatory reselection in every Labour seat

    If I was a far left type in Labour I would. The other side has this weekend declared all out war on the leader, what else have they got to lose by not seeking mandatory reselection?
    There are plenty of people on the right here who have suggested something similar for remainian MPs 'fools to the left of me and fools to the right' - never a truer word sung!
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,302

    LOL. That is a classic of rewriting history. No Richard. Just for the record. They didn't offer anything of the sort.

    In what way would this fabled 'Associate Membership' differ from what we had?
    You tell me. You are the one saying it was offered to us.
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,081
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    Been away for 2 hours - can someone summarise what's happened and keep it to less than one side of A4 please (if you can!)?
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,782
    Sandpit said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Omnium said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Burgon still strongly batting for Corbyn.

    As one of the most experienced shadow ministers he's worth listening to...

    Mind you he must be a trifle upset that Rebecca Long-Bailey got the chief secretary role. Who knew she had such a powerful economic mind?
    I think I saw her on Sky - looks about 25. Said she'd been a commercial lawyer - but had an interest in economics.
    Wiki reckons she's 36, same age as Lisa Nandy
    I went along to McDonnell's economics event in London last month. All the shadow economics team were there, and Long-Bailey chaired a couple of the sessions that I attended. I wasn't impressed at all with her contribution. I also got the impression that she was either very much a nailed on Corbynite or seeking to ingratiate herself with the leader.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,907
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  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    murali_s said:

    Been away for 2 hours - can someone summarise what's happened and keep it to less than one side of A4 please (if you can!)?

    Charlie Falconer has resigned.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    murali_s said:

    Been away for 2 hours - can someone summarise what's happened and keep it less than one side of A4 please (if you can!)?

    We're fucked. Labour is fucked. The Conservatives are considering whether to be fucked.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 10,047

    Jobabob said:

    I was convinced Boris would be a shoo-in, but now I'm having serious doubts. What with the way the whole Brexit lark is going, the Tories will want to put maximum distance between them and it as soon as possible. They'll try and blame it on UKIP and Labour's ineffectiveness as much as possible. Boris and Gove can just be jettisoned as aberrations.


    What happens if a Remainian wins the Tory leadership contest?

    The Tories dodge a very nasty bullet. But Boris is a shoe-in, surely.

    Not so sure. I think the Tories will now ditch Boris - a sort of act of penance.
    Not good enough.
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    Scott_P said:

    FTSE 250 down over 6% on the day now. That's a 14% fall in the last two trading days.

    Former Chairman of the Bank of England says you don't know anything.
    the buying opportunity outers have disappeared. Judging when to catch a falling knife can be challenging.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,812

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_P said:

    @nj_morrison: #BREAKING Poland wants second in-out 'Brexit' referendum: ruling party leader @AFP #Poland

    Would have been so much easier if the EU had just offered the concept of Associate Membership in the first place, to those who didn't want the Euro.
    They did. We just decided to leave it.
    LOL. That is a classic of rewriting history. No Richard. Just for the record. They didn't offer anything of the sort.
    Oh yes they did. No ever closer union. Special Status.Codified. In a document that on Thursday evening became null and void.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,111
    John_N4 said:

    What is he trying to do? Reform the EU and stay in? We know he has a personal plan and a big ego, but does he actually have a feasible aim here? Doesn't seem to me that he does. Isn't this likely to be realised by even the most diehard Leavites, if not in the re-election-hungry PCP then surely among the membership?

    It's an obvious point, a bit like "the SNP doesn't know what currency they want" in 2014. What will Boris say when it's put to him?

    As this was his stated plan from the beginning it shouldn't shock anyone now.

    He's in the process of blowing up his own country to satisfy his ego and go down in the history books as the man who reshaped Europe.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,716
    There's an excellent piece from the Commerzbank chief economist on Brexit that I can share with anyone who wants to see it,
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