Just woken up and seen the result. I'm a bit sad but it's what absolutely what I expected. Leavers - everything that happens now is down to you. I hope you know what you're doing.
Thank you.
Luckily, like all leavers, I am omniscient and know all that has been and will ever be. Including the present and future workings of the global economy, the negotiating strategies of each of the other 27 members, the levels of support we'll enjoy from our non-EU allies and the impact of hitherto unknown economic shocks and 2nd order effects from Brexit.
I think your hope is perhaps a tad overblown. No one knows what will happen. It's too difficult. I don't even know who the government is at the moment.
Leavers seeking the country to unite after the decision might have thought a bit more about the aftermath while conducting their campaign.
Include me out. Pursue your mad agenda obtained by pandering to xenophobia by yourselves. I see no reason why I should assist in such a folly.
Because I believe you are a democrat and a patriot.
Everyone has a duty to serve the public will - we should all do our best to seek the best outcome for the country within the framework of what the people have decided
Yes, remiss of me not to congratulate the Leavers on here. For some of you this must be an extraordinary, emotional, intensely personal moment. What you have dreamed of for so many years has come to pass. How wonderful that must feel. I envy you!
It's been fun debating with you over these last few weeks and I have learned a lot. We will continue to disagree, but let's remember we all want the same thing: what is best for the country. I do think your side now has to take control of the situation and lead, we will need that in the coming months and years. As previously stated - I really hope you're right!!
If they'e not right, then I fear many of them will just look for another 'other' to blame for the problems.
Just woken up and seen the result. I'm a bit sad but it's what absolutely what I expected. Leavers - everything that happens now is down to you. I hope you know what you're doing.
Just woken up myself. Went to bed at 10.30 depressed and upset and thought I was dreaming when I put on the TV. I was seriously considering never voting again but the voice of the ordinary person has spoken. My faith in the decent sensible British citizen has been restored.
I expect a far degree of turmoil over the rest of the year, both economically and politically. I hope we come out of this with a stronger economy and a stronger political system. I cannot see how the political elite can continue along the path we have been following for the last 19 years.
Yes, remiss of me not to congratulate the Leavers on here. For some of you this must be an extraordinary, emotional, intensely personal moment. What you have dreamed of for so many years has come to pass. How wonderful that must feel. I envy you!
It's been fun debating with you over these last few weeks and I have learned a lot. We will continue to disagree, but let's remember we all want the same thing: what is best for the country. I do think your side now has to take control of the situation and lead, we will need that in the coming months and years. As previously stated - I really hope you're right!!
That's very gracious of you. And well done on calling it right, though that is presumably cold comfort.
So how can the Scots avoid calling a referendum (if indeed they don't want one?) Hold it tomorrow and they'd win, presumably.
I doubt they would. The fundamentals for Scotland haven't changed.
How have they not? People will vote for some level of economic turmoil, if they think it is acceptable. They might now have changed their minds on how much they are willing to accept.
Oil prices are still low, Barnett still shovels billions into Scotland which makes free university and free prescriptions possible and Scotland has been in a union for 300 years with the UK not 40, the ties are much deeper. The unionist argument carries a positive message, the EU argument was "in is less shit than out". Even the name of the In campaign was slightly patronising, "stronger in" sends a message that these people believe the UK to be a weak country without the EU.
Personally I'm in favour of Scottish independence, I think they deserve home rule and I'd like for them to achieve that goal. I just don't think being in or out of the EU makes a difference, especially given that Scotland would have been out if they voted for independence in 2014.
The basic questions over currency and schengen haven't been answered either. Without the UK in the EU, there is no precedent for a full opt out of the Denmark are still in ERM II and Sweden, on a theoretical basis, have to join at some point.
How does Scotland's trade with rUK compare to their trade with rump EU?
Aside from the currency issue, I can see that being a major argument.
Yes, well part of the reason Leave was successful is that our trade with the EU is falling already. People may not realise, but it's something you can feel.
Yes this was part of my thinking. If EU trade is half of our total then a certain amount of Brussels influence/interference makes sense. The long term trend is only one way. When that figure becomes 40% or one third, then does it really make sense?
Yes, remiss of me not to congratulate the Leavers on here. For some of you this must be an extraordinary, emotional, intensely personal moment. What you have dreamed of for so many years has come to pass. How wonderful that must feel. I envy you!
It's been fun debating with you over these last few weeks and I have learned a lot. We will continue to disagree, but let's remember we all want the same thing: what is best for the country. I do think your side now has to take control of the situation and lead, we will need that in the coming months and years. As previously stated - I really hope you're right!!
Very gracious. And yes, Leave own this and have to put the work in.
We will probably oust him and replace him with someone who can better explain to our voters why they voted against their own best interests in an act of racist stupidity......
Leavers seeking the country to unite after the decision might have thought a bit more about the aftermath while conducting their campaign.
Include me out. Pursue your mad agenda obtained by pandering to xenophobia by yourselves. I see no reason why I should assist in such a folly.
Because I believe you are a democrat and a patriot.
Everyone has a duty to serve the public will - we should all do our best to seek the best outcome for the country within the framework of what the people have decided
This morning I'm nervous, but excited.
I respect the referendum decision.
I see no reason at all why I should help implement a decision that I believe to be mad and to have been engineered through disgraceful tactics. Those that were hellbent on this crazy course of action can get on with it, but I shall lean against a wall watching their exertions.
As miserable as ever Mr Meeks. Can we have another one of your infamous articles on why the LEAVE campaign will lose?
Seen on another forum: "I think the House should ignore the referendum. Most of the people who took us out of the EU will be dead within ten to twenty years and I'm sick of having every single benefit they had yanked out from under my nose by them."
Obviously, no mainstream party is suicidal enough to publicly say this, but can they keep their activists under control? I'm sure the pro-Leave press would love to run stories about Remain activists wanting to 'defy the referendum result', 'naked contempt for democracy', etc.
Obviously, if it's just a few activists, that won't amount to much, but local councillors saying the same thing will have a bit more impact. The worst case for the pro-Europeans is if a backbench MP says something like this, even off the record.
Yes, remiss of me not to congratulate the Leavers on here. For some of you this must be an extraordinary, emotional, intensely personal moment. What you have dreamed of for so many years has come to pass. How wonderful that must feel. I envy you!
It's been fun debating with you over these last few weeks and I have learned a lot. We will continue to disagree, but let's remember we all want the same thing: what is best for the country. I do think your side now has to take control of the situation and lead, we will need that in the coming months and years. As previously stated - I really hope you're right!!
Here here!
Many thanks. I am also pleased you made a packet. I made a few quid as well.
So how can the Scots avoid calling a referendum (if indeed they don't want one?) Hold it tomorrow and they'd win, presumably.
I doubt they would. The fundamentals for Scotland haven't changed.
How have they not? People will vote for some level of economic turmoil, if they think it is acceptable. They might now have changed their minds on how much they are willing to accept.
Oil prices are still low, Barnett still shovels billions into Scotland which makes free university and free prescriptions possible and Scotland has been in a union for 300 years with the UK not 40, the ties are much deeper. The unionist argument carries a positive message, the EU argument was "in is less shit than out". Even the name of the In campaign was slightly patronising, "stronger in" sends a message that these people believe the UK to be a weak country without the EU.
Personally I'm in favour of Scottish independence, I think they deserve home rule and I'd like for them to achieve that goal. I just don't think being in or out of the EU makes a difference, especially given that Scotland would have been out if they voted for independence in 2014.
The basic questions over currency and schengen haven't been answered either. Without the UK in the EU, there is no precedent for a full opt out of the Denmark are still in ERM II and Sweden, on a theoretical basis, have to join at some point.
How does Scotland's trade with rUK compare to their trade with rump EU?
Aside from the currency issue, I can see that being a major argument.
Yes, well part of the reason Leave was successful is that our trade with the EU is falling already. People may not realise, but it's something you can feel.
Yes this was part of my thinking. If EU trade is half of our total then a certain amount of Brussels influence/interference makes sense. The long term trend is only one way. When that figure becomes 40% or one third, then does it really make sense?
It's about 35-38% at the moment depending on which measure you go by. Our EU exports are also falling by about 2% per year and non-EU exporta rising by about 4% per year.
Meanwhile I am Just waiting for Tyson and Meeks to pop up and blame the result on all the racist xenophobic little Englander nutters that live there for jumping on their collective hobby horses.
You've done the job for me. It's a dark day in our history, a bad decision taken for worse reasons.
We're going to find out what it means to put the country in the hands of people who are tired of experts. I can't say that fills me with optimism.
It hasn't been a good 24 hours for 'experts'.
They called the pound collapse and market meltdown post-Brexit correctly.
Any fool could have predicted the millionaires would panic, like rats on a sinking ship
I may let slip from time to time that my final forecast on Wednesday got the result right to the nearest 0.1%. As a modest chap this will not happen more than once an hour.
Last night was amazing although not quite as exciting for as May 2015. It is with some sadness that I think that Osborne may well have to resign today. I suspect that Cameron will do the same in half an hour although I expect him to stay on until a new leader is chosen. It is a heavy price to pay for a necessary step.
Yes, remiss of me not to congratulate the Leavers on here. For some of you this must be an extraordinary, emotional, intensely personal moment. What you have dreamed of for so many years has come to pass. How wonderful that must feel. I envy you!
It's been fun debating with you over these last few weeks and I have learned a lot. We will continue to disagree, but let's remember we all want the same thing: what is best for the country. I do think your side now has to take control of the situation and lead, we will need that in the coming months and years. As previously stated - I really hope you're right!!
I think when cameron promised the referendum he thought hed get a much better deal from europe. He got peanuts and then felt he had to sell that as good deal to the voters. Im not sure how pro europe he really is. He could have made himself a tory hero if hed admitted the deal was garbage and headed the leave campaign instead.
I'm loving the way that the worst fall in sterling ever against the dollar is being shrugged off on the site as a technical correction.
Biggest fall ever but "worst" implies either a value judgement or some economic portent of doom. Falls in currency are often good things, leading to chancellors singing in the bath, or to strong export performances as in Germany or China, both of whom have been accused of undervaluing their currency.
All the people proclaiming Cameron's incredible genius definitely one of the top all time prime ministers seem strangely absent today.
Will they now accept he was a lucky general who faced two of the worst ever labour leaders and a libdem party hell bent on suicide? He confused his good fortune with some kind of brilliant political skill and has screwed himself and the country.
Leavers seeking the country to unite after the decision might have thought a bit more about the aftermath while conducting their campaign.
Include me out. Pursue your mad agenda obtained by pandering to xenophobia by yourselves. I see no reason why I should assist in such a folly.
Because I believe you are a democrat and a patriot.
Everyone has a duty to serve the public will - we should all do our best to seek the best outcome for the country within the framework of what the people have decided
This morning I'm nervous, but excited.
I respect the referendum decision.
I see no reason at all why I should help implement a decision that I believe to be mad and to have been engineered through disgraceful tactics. Those that were hellbent on this crazy course of action can get on with it, but I shall lean against a wall watching their exertions.
As miserable as ever Mr Meeks. Can we have another one of your infamous articles on why the LEAVE campaign will lose?
You will notice that I hadn't written such an article for quite some time. The Leave campaign eventually alighted on Nigel Farage's original plan of stirring up fears of immigration and exploited it ruthlessly. It was undoubtedly their best choice of campaign if winning was everything (I flagged up several times in my posts that Leave needed to make their pitch visceral).
Now they will have to deal with the consequences of their chosen campaign plan.
Can't blame her. If pandering to xenophobia worked here, there must be a decent chance it would work in France too.
You can't help yourself, can you?
It's true though.
A terrible night for the UK. Singlehandedly, we have marginalised ourselves and sent an economic shock through our economy that will impact as usual on the poorest and our public services.
Populism and nationalism clearly works- tried and tested, as we know. By playing the race card, Brexit will unleash on the UK a negative and dark force that will be impossible to contain, particularly as the UK will struggle as a poorer country. Migrants will be scapegoated even further. And let's face it, this was never about European migrants. This was about Islamaphobia and racism.
Conceding that "this may not have been the result that the majority of our members wanted", the Institute of Directors has called on the Government to ensure that EU citizens currently living in the UK can stay, appeasing concerns about staffing issues.
"British businesses are resilient and, with their characteristic ingenuity, they will weather this storm," said IoD director general Simon Walker.
"It is now beholden on politicians to negotiate a deal with European leaders which preserves the ability of British firms to trade easily with the remaining member states. Even once we have left, the EU will continue to be our biggest trading partner, and the first destination for many companies when they start to export.
"One thing the Government must do immediately is to guarantee the right to remain of EU citizens currently in the UK. Companies do not want to have to worry about losing valued staff."
The last para should go without saying. But I guess people actually do need to hear it.
I see Farage on the Beeb is still going hard on immigration - I doubt if he will be keen on the EFTA/EEA route favoured by some on here.
I suspect that’s going to be a problem with some at least of those who voted Leave.
We will go EFTA/EEA with certain bespoke concessions (if we manage a good negotiation, somehow) in my view. The politicians will argue that, owing to the close result, there is not a clear enough mandate for complete withdrawal from the single market.
Boris Johnson next PM @11/8 is pretty solid odds right???
It has to be either Johnson or Gove, surely.
I hope and suspect not. We need wiser heads than either of those - I'd prefer Hammond or May - but I hope Cameron can be persuaded to stay on for a while at least.
I may let slip from time to time that my final forecast on Wednesday got the result right to the nearest 0.1%. As a modest chap this will not happen more than once an hour.
Last night was amazing although not quite as exciting for as May 2015. It is with some sadness that I think that Osborne may well have to resign today. I suspect that Cameron will do the same in half an hour although I expect him to stay on until a new leader is chosen. It is a heavy price to pay for a necessary step.
Osborne being turfed out is a net positive IMO. Rubbish at his job and has overseen a huge importation boom while domestic industries are stagnant.
I think when cameron promised the referendum he thought hed get a much better deal from europe. He got peanuts and then felt he had to sell that as good deal to the voters. Im not sure how pro europe he really is. He could have made himself a tory hero if hed admitted the deal was garbage and headed the leave campaign instead.
I'm not sure David Cameron thought about Europe at all, seeing the referendum as a bargaining chip to get voters back from Ukip and then to be negotiated away in coalition talks with the LibDems.
Commiserations to those PBers on the wrong side of the vote. No doubt you are feeling how I genuinely thought I would be feeling. Thanks as always to those responsible for the PB site and well done to successfull punters esp those who backed the big odds against the polls.
I think when cameron promised the referendum he thought hed get a much better deal from europe. He got peanuts and then felt he had to sell that as good deal to the voters. Im not sure how pro europe he really is. He could have made himself a tory hero if hed admitted the deal was garbage and headed the leave campaign instead.
I'm not sure David Cameron thought about Europe at all, seeing the referendum as a bargaining chip to get voters back from Ukip and then to be negotiated away in coalition talks with the LibDems.
Can't blame her. If pandering to xenophobia worked here, there must be a decent chance it would work in France too.
It's statements like that which lost you the referendum.
Most people are fed up with the pointless name calling.
Uncomfortable truths hurt.
This referendum was won by Leave by making people scared and angry about immigration.
Or by Remain failing to counter it. Doesn't matter now. But failing to understand the problem or address it will produce more of the same. At some point voters bite back if they feel their leaders fail to represent them. Your comment is unfortunately too much of the tone that produced this result and will produce much worse unless it changes. Brussels and Westminster need to wake up very fast.
If you look at a map you will see that voters in my area feel just as I do. Londoners have been kidnapped from the EU against their very clear wishes.
If the voters who are propped up by the tax transfers that voters in my area disburse to them aren't willing to engage with the views of voters in my area, voters in my area will feel a damn sight angrier with a damn sight more cause.
Get over yourself. Clearly, you think the majority should be hijacked to pander to your superior opinions Your side lost. Time for the country to get back to life, and make the best out of our future.
Boris Johnson next PM @11/8 is pretty solid odds right???
It has to be either Johnson or Gove, surely.
Either would be disastrous for the Tories.. and the Country
The only silver lining is seeing the Tories tear themselves to shreds. Couldn't happen to nicer folk.
Lol, just wait and watch over the weekend as the Tory party unites behind Leave. It is the natural destination for us, the party was split by loyalty to the leadership, not by the EU. Now that it is settled and the leadership will change the party will not be split.
Can't blame her. If pandering to xenophobia worked here, there must be a decent chance it would work in France too.
It's statements like that which lost you the referendum.
Most people are fed up with the pointless name calling.
Uncomfortable truths hurt.
This referendum was won by Leave by making people scared and angry about immigration.
Or by Remain failing to counter it. Doesn't matter now. But failing to understand the problem or address it will produce more of the same. At some point voters bite back if they feel their leaders fail to represent them. Your comment is unfortunately too much of the tone that produced this result and will produce much worse unless it changes. Brussels and Westminster need to wake up very fast.
If you look at a map you will see that voters in my area feel just as I do. Londoners have been kidnapped from the EU against their very clear wishes.
If the voters who are propped up by the tax transfers that voters in my area disburse to them aren't willing to engage with the views of voters in my area, voters in my area will feel a damn sight angrier with a damn sight more cause.
Get over yourself. Clearly, you think the majority should be hijacked to pander to your superior opinions Your side lost. Time for the country to get back to life, and make the best out of our future.
You're rather insulated from the consequences in the USA...
I'm loving the way that the worst fall in sterling ever against the dollar is being shrugged off on the site as a technical correction.
It's risen since. It will continue to do so.
Market traders are crack addicts with a bad gambling habit. I've been watching them for years.
At the risk of stating the bleedin' obvious, then you will know that the kind of market traders you describe are very rare today. A typical market trader is someone managing the risk of your pension while the screens are turning red around him.
Farron has known how the wind was blowing for some time. He has been getting hammered by his constituents on the streets with W&L, who have been more than happy to approach him to argue about the subject, and whilst there have have been a few 'In' signs posted within the constituency, the absence of these in most of the usual LibDem sites has been very telling.
There will have to be a big policy rethink for the LD’s. Europhilia has been a major plank for a long while. Maybe they should take a look at the policies of the residual Liberal Party.
No sign of that from Mr Farron this morning.
Why? It's a policy 48% of the population support. Plenty of votes in being the pro-Europe party.
Yes. He is more responsible for Leave's win than anyone in this country. No limit on immigration. A total disconnect with traditional Labour voters and failing to recognise the downsides of this for their wages, their job security and their opportunities. He has lost the Labour base and it may well not come back.
If you agree that at least we're on the path to making our politicians somewhat more accountable, then Corbyn has to go. We need an old fashioned Labour party, but not quite as old-fashioned as Corbyn's version.
Incidentally, can I say how impressive @SouthamObserver has been as a pundit? He called Corbyn bang to rights and now he's called Brexit. Didn't he also get the GE right last year?
And all the time he's known they're not the results he wants, which means he isn't at risk of confirmation bias like most of us.
I hope that his consistency is some fragile consolation to him this morning, although I'll understand if it isn't.
Can't blame her. If pandering to xenophobia worked here, there must be a decent chance it would work in France too.
It's statements like that which lost you the referendum.
Most people are fed up with the pointless name calling.
Uncomfortable truths hurt.
This referendum was won by Leave by making people scared and angry about immigration.
Or by Remain failing to counter it. Doesn't matter now. But failing to understand the problem or address it will produce more of the same. At some point voters bite back if they feel their leaders fail to represent them. Your comment is unfortunately too much of the tone that produced this result and will produce much worse unless it changes. Brussels and Westminster need to wake up very fast.
If you look at a map you will see that voters in my area feel just as I do. Londoners have been kidnapped from the EU against their very clear wishes.
If the voters who are propped up by the tax transfers that voters in my area disburse to them aren't willing to engage with the views of voters in my area, voters in my area will feel a damn sight angrier with a damn sight more cause.
Get over yourself. Clearly, you think the majority should be hijacked to pander to your superior opinions Your side lost. Time for the country to get back to life, and make the best out of our future.
You're rather insulated from the consequences in the USA...
Maybe. But I still want the UK to be a democracy. And a successful one.
I may let slip from time to time that my final forecast on Wednesday got the result right to the nearest 0.1%. As a modest chap this will not happen more than once an hour.
Last night was amazing although not quite as exciting for as May 2015. It is with some sadness that I think that Osborne may well have to resign today. I suspect that Cameron will do the same in half an hour although I expect him to stay on until a new leader is chosen. It is a heavy price to pay for a necessary step.
I think when cameron promised the referendum he thought hed get a much better deal from europe. He got peanuts and then felt he had to sell that as good deal to the voters. Im not sure how pro europe he really is. He could have made himself a tory hero if hed admitted the deal was garbage and headed the leave campaign instead.
I'm not sure David Cameron thought about Europe at all, seeing the referendum as a bargaining chip to get voters back from Ukip and then to be negotiated away in coalition talks with the LibDems.
Can't blame her. If pandering to xenophobia worked here, there must be a decent chance it would work in France too.
It's statements like that which lost you the referendum.
Most people are fed up with the pointless name calling.
Uncomfortable truths hurt.
This referendum was won by Leave by making people scared and angry about immigration.
Or by Remain failing to counter it. Doesn't matter now. But failing to understand the problem or address it will produce more of the same. At some point voters bite back if they feel their leaders fail to represent them. Your comment is unfortunately too much of the tone that produced this result and will produce much worse unless it changes. Brussels and Westminster need to wake up very fast.
If you look at a map you will see that voters in my area feel just as I do. Londoners have been kidnapped from the EU against their very clear wishes.
If the voters who are propped up by the tax transfers that voters in my area disburse to them aren't willing to engage with the views of voters in my area, voters in my area will feel a damn sight angrier with a damn sight more cause.
Get over yourself. Clearly, you think the majority should be hijacked to pander to your superior opinions Your side lost. Time for the country to get back to life, and make the best out of our future.
Look at a map. London didn't just decide on balance to remain, it was a landslide. It has a very different demos from the rest of the country. Why should it put up with the rest of the country foisting batshit mental policies on it?
Leavers seeking the country to unite after the decision might have thought a bit more about the aftermath while conducting their campaign.
Include me out. Pursue your mad agenda obtained by pandering to xenophobia by yourselves. I see no reason why I should assist in such a folly.
Because I believe you are a democrat and a patriot.
Everyone has a duty to serve the public will - we should all do our best to seek the best outcome for the country within the framework of what the people have decided
This morning I'm nervous, but excited.
I respect the referendum decision.
I see no reason at all why I should help implement a decision that I believe to be mad and to have been engineered through disgraceful tactics. Those that were hellbent on this crazy course of action can get on with it, but I shall lean against a wall watching their exertions.
Graveyards are full of indispensible people
I'm sure the UK will still function with or without you
Boris Johnson next PM @11/8 is pretty solid odds right???
It has to be either Johnson or Gove, surely.
Either would be disastrous for the Tories.. and the Country
The only silver lining is seeing the Tories tear themselves to shreds. Couldn't happen to nicer folk.
Lol, just wait and watch over the weekend as the Tory party unites behind Leave. It is the natural destination for us, the party was split by loyalty to the leadership, not by the EU. Now that it is settled and the leadership will change the party will not be split.
and it will be a party I cannot vote for and many others wont either. Its fecked.
Farron has known how the wind was blowing for some time. He has been getting hammered by his constituents on the streets with W&L, who have been more than happy to approach him to argue about the subject, and whilst there have have been a few 'In' signs posted within the constituency, the absence of these in most of the usual LibDem sites has been very telling.
There will have to be a big policy rethink for the LD’s. Europhilia has been a major plank for a long while. Maybe they should take a look at the policies of the residual Liberal Party.
No sign of that from Mr Farron this morning.
Why? It's a policy 48% of the population support. Plenty of votes in being the pro-Europe party.
Post-Brexit campaigning to rejoin the EU means explicitly that the UK must adopt the euro. That will get far less than 48% of the vote.
Moreover while we are out, the EU will either be centralising or falling apart (or both!), neither of which makes rejoining more attractive.
Leavers seeking the country to unite after the decision might have thought a bit more about the aftermath while conducting their campaign.
Include me out. Pursue your mad agenda obtained by pandering to xenophobia by yourselves. I see no reason why I should assist in such a folly.
I agree Alistair. I accept the result without equivocation. It must be implemented. But this isn't a General Election. I don't wish the new government well despite not having voted for it. I feel diminished and that part of my identity has been torn away. The people have spoken but they can now get on with it. I feel no need to ' rally round '.
Can't blame her. If pandering to xenophobia worked here, there must be a decent chance it would work in France too.
It's statements like that which lost you the referendum.
Most people are fed up with the pointless name calling.
Uncomfortable truths hurt.
This referendum was won by Leave by making people scared and angry about immigration.
Or by Remain failing to counter it. Doesn't matter now. But failing to understand the problem or address it will produce more of the same. At some point voters bite back if they feel their leaders fail to represent them. Your comment is unfortunately too much of the tone that produced this result and will produce much worse unless it changes. Brussels and Westminster need to wake up very fast.
If you look at a map you will see that voters in my area feel just as I do. Londoners have been kidnapped from the EU against their very clear wishes.
If the voters who are propped up by the tax transfers that voters in my area disburse to them aren't willing to engage with the views of voters in my area, voters in my area will feel a damn sight angrier with a damn sight more cause.
Get over yourself. Clearly, you think the majority should be hijacked to pander to your superior opinions Your side lost. Time for the country to get back to life, and make the best out of our future.
Look at a map. London didn't just decide on balance to remain, it was a landslide. It has a very different demos from the rest of the country. Why should it put up with the rest of the country foisting batshit mental policies on it?
I agree that London is a huge issue. I have no idea why people are whittering on about Scotland and Northern Ireland. I'm trying to think of a more fucked up result and failing, mainly through tiredness. Maybe if only England voted for Leave? Yeah, we have the second worst scenario.
All the people proclaiming Cameron's incredible genius definitely one of the top all time prime ministers seem strangely absent today.
Will they now accept he was a lucky general who faced two of the worst ever labour leaders and a libdem party hell bent on suicide? He confused his good fortune with some kind of brilliant political skill and has screwed himself and the country.
Won't Scott'n'Paste be on soon to link to how twitter thinks Cam is exceptional?
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Luckily, like all leavers, I am omniscient and know all that has been and will ever be. Including the present and future workings of the global economy, the negotiating strategies of each of the other 27 members, the levels of support we'll enjoy from our non-EU allies and the impact of hitherto unknown economic shocks and 2nd order effects from Brexit.
I think your hope is perhaps a tad overblown. No one knows what will happen. It's too difficult. I don't even know who the government is at the moment.
I expect a far degree of turmoil over the rest of the year, both economically and politically. I hope we come out of this with a stronger economy and a stronger political system. I cannot see how the political elite can continue along the path we have been following for the last 19 years.
Obviously, no mainstream party is suicidal enough to publicly say this, but can they keep their activists under control? I'm sure the pro-Leave press would love to run stories about Remain activists wanting to 'defy the referendum result', 'naked contempt for democracy', etc.
Obviously, if it's just a few activists, that won't amount to much, but local councillors saying the same thing will have a bit more impact. The worst case for the pro-Europeans is if a backbench MP says something like this, even off the record.
Many thanks. I am also pleased you made a packet. I made a few quid as well.
Oh and pound still rising. (Slowly)
Market traders are crack addicts with a bad gambling habit. I've been watching them for years.
Brexit negotiated by Corbyn would be an interesting prospect.
Blimey.
Last night was amazing although not quite as exciting for as May 2015. It is with some sadness that I think that Osborne may well have to resign today. I suspect that Cameron will do the same in half an hour although I expect him to stay on until a new leader is chosen. It is a heavy price to pay for a necessary step.
It would indeed!
Will they now accept he was a lucky general who faced two of the worst ever labour leaders and a libdem party hell bent on suicide? He confused his good fortune with some kind of brilliant political skill and has screwed himself and the country.
Now they will have to deal with the consequences of their chosen campaign plan.
Populism and nationalism clearly works- tried and tested, as we know. By playing the race card, Brexit will unleash on the UK a negative and dark force that will be impossible to contain, particularly as the UK will struggle as a poorer country. Migrants will be scapegoated even further. And let's face it, this was never about European migrants. This was about Islamaphobia and racism.
So, enjoy your victory Brexiters.
Bad news. My endownent matures in september.
Conceding that "this may not have been the result that the majority of our members wanted", the Institute of Directors has called on the Government to ensure that EU citizens currently living in the UK can stay, appeasing concerns about staffing issues.
"British businesses are resilient and, with their characteristic ingenuity, they will weather this storm," said IoD director general Simon Walker.
"It is now beholden on politicians to negotiate a deal with European leaders which preserves the ability of British firms to trade easily with the remaining member states. Even once we have left, the EU will continue to be our biggest trading partner, and the first destination for many companies when they start to export.
"One thing the Government must do immediately is to guarantee the right to remain of EU citizens currently in the UK. Companies do not want to have to worry about losing valued staff."
The last para should go without saying. But I guess people actually do need to hear it.
Thanks as always to those responsible for the PB site and well done to successfull punters esp those who backed the big odds against the polls.
Cameron turns out to the most democratic PM ever.
May vs Hammond is now the favourite, Crabb the value. The ones who mostly kept their heads down and can start the healing process.
cock squared
And all the time he's known they're not the results he wants, which means he isn't at risk of confirmation bias like most of us.
I hope that his consistency is some fragile consolation to him this morning, although I'll understand if it isn't.
Ooh sorry to interrupt - Jezza's on.
He sounds pathetic.
I'm sure the UK will still function with or without you
Moreover while we are out, the EU will either be centralising or falling apart (or both!), neither of which makes rejoining more attractive.