Okay Sky is really pissing me off talking about EU funding for all these different parts of the UK. Its not EU funding. Its UK taxpayers money laundered back to us via the EU.
We're going to get a lot of this.
It's the insufferable smugness of the Remainers that i'm going to find hardest to bear.
But, we must accept the result if it is this. For now.
I don't think there will be any smugness (other than from TSE, natch). Whatever the final result, it's already clear that Leave have done hugely better than anyone expected. If they haven't won, they've certainly come very close to winning, despite the odds. That's food for thought for all politicians.
As Mike has reminded us for many a long year, the EU isn't of paramount importance to all that many. UKIP is a useful protest vehicle on other topics too (albeit ones that often play to a similar gallery).
As Mike has reminded us for many a long year, the EU isn't of paramount importance to all that many. UKIP is a useful protest vehicle on other topics too (albeit ones that often play to a similar gallery).
so if it wasn't that important why is turnout so high ?
Okay Sky is really pissing me off talking about EU funding for all these different parts of the UK. Its not EU funding. Its UK taxpayers money laundered back to us via the EU.
We're going to get a lot of this.
It's the insufferable smugness of the Remainers that i'm going to find hardest to bear.
But, we must accept the result if it is this. For now.
I don't think there will be any smugness (other than from TSE, natch). Whatever the final result, it's already clear that Leave have done hugely better than anyone expected. If they haven't won, they've certainly come very close to winning, despite the odds. That's food for thought for all politicians.
@BBCVickiYoung: Dozens of Tory MPs sign letter supporting Cameron. Talking to many in last week they were backing PM but gunning for Osborne. #euref
#OsborneOut
He would be made a scapegoat by bitter losers. What has he done that no one else has done in the Cons party who has been for Remain? What has he alone done that hasn't been sanctioned by Cons' Leavers?
Slightly pathetic tbh.
His head. Or no peace.
That's the deal for a reunified party.
The punishment budget. That was a completely unnecessary stunt, unworthy of a CoE. He's had a decent run, time for him to either shift sideways or start concentrating on his post-politics gravy train.
Political parties for as long as anyone on here can remember have always threatened or bribed peoples' pay packets to win whatever election they want to win.
Good lord, what did you get your degree in? Pointing out the bleedin' obvious? Politics is personal. Osborne crossed the line, as did Cameron (and I was a fan of both). I'm sure plenty of other people think everything was fine and dandy and acceptable. I am but one voter.
Nigel will welcome your transfer of allegiance, I have no doubt. Happy canvassing.
Okay Sky is really pissing me off talking about EU funding for all these different parts of the UK. Its not EU funding. Its UK taxpayers money laundered back to us via the EU.
We're going to get a lot of this.
It's the insufferable smugness of the Remainers that i'm going to find hardest to bear.
But, we must accept the result if it is this. For now.
I don't think there will be any smugness (other than from TSE, natch). Whatever the final result, it's already clear that Leave have done hugely better than anyone expected. If they haven't won, they've certainly come very close to winning, despite the odds. That's food for thought for all politicians.
I have nothing to be smug about.
Yet
Nope, even if Remain wins, I have to ensure people like Casino Royale are happy to be a Tory member.,
@BBCVickiYoung: Dozens of Tory MPs sign letter supporting Cameron. Talking to many in last week they were backing PM but gunning for Osborne. #euref
#OsborneOut
He would be made a scapegoat by bitter losers. What has he done that no one else has done in the Cons party who has been for Remain? What has he alone done that hasn't been sanctioned by Cons' Leavers?
Slightly pathetic tbh.
His head. Or no peace.
That's the deal for a reunified party.
The punishment budget. That was a completely unnecessary stunt, unworthy of a CoE. He's had a decent run, time for him to either shift sideways or start concentrating on his post-politics gravy train.
Political parties for as long as anyone on here can remember have always threatened or bribed peoples' pay packets to win whatever election they want to win.
Good lord, what did you get your degree in? Pointing out the bleedin' obvious? Politics is personal. Osborne crossed the line, as did Cameron (and I was a fan of both). I'm sure plenty of other people think everything was fine and dandy and acceptable. I am but one voter.
Nigel will welcome your transfer of allegiance, I have no doubt. Happy canvassing.
is there a link to a cheat sheet by Curtice on Hanratty or somebodrnouy monitoring what the turnout / result should be in each area if the result was 50/50 so we can compare how each count is going compared to expectation?
It just occurred to me there was probably an article in speculating wildly on what will happen to UKIP in either situation.
I suppose if they lose narrowly they can continue to campaign a la the SNP. If they won would they disperse without much left to hold them together, if they lost badly would they sink to a hard core.
Okay Sky is really pissing me off talking about EU funding for all these different parts of the UK. Its not EU funding. Its UK taxpayers money laundered back to us via the EU.
We're going to get a lot of this.
It's the insufferable smugness of the Remainers that i'm going to find hardest to bear.
But, we must accept the result if it is this. For now.
I don't think there will be any smugness (other than from TSE, natch). Whatever the final result, it's already clear that Leave have done hugely better than anyone expected. If they haven't won, they've certainly come very close to winning, despite the odds. That's food for thought for all politicians.
I have nothing to be smug about.
Yet
Nope, even if Remain wins, I have to ensure people like Casino Royale are happy to be a Tory member.,
Just keep sending him the thoughts of Corbyn and Abbot
Okay Sky is really pissing me off talking about EU funding for all these different parts of the UK. Its not EU funding. Its UK taxpayers money laundered back to us via the EU.
We're going to get a lot of this.
It's the insufferable smugness of the Remainers that i'm going to find hardest to bear.
But, we must accept the result if it is this. For now.
I don't think there will be any smugness (other than from TSE, natch). Whatever the final result, it's already clear that Leave have done hugely better than anyone expected. If they haven't won, they've certainly come very close to winning, despite the odds. That's food for thought for all politicians.
@BBCVickiYoung: Dozens of Tory MPs sign letter supporting Cameron. Talking to many in last week they were backing PM but gunning for Osborne. #euref
#OsborneOut
He would be made a scapegoat by bitter losers. What has he done that no one else has done in the Cons party who has been for Remain? What has he alone done that hasn't been sanctioned by Cons' Leavers?
Slightly pathetic tbh.
His head. Or no peace.
That's the deal for a reunified party.
The punishment budget. That was a completely unnecessary stunt, unworthy of a CoE. He's had a decent run, time for him to either shift sideways or start concentrating on his post-politics gravy train.
Political parties for as long as anyone on here can remember have always threatened or bribed peoples' pay packets to win whatever election they want to win.
Good lord, what did you get your degree in? Pointing out the bleedin' obvious? Politics is personal. Osborne crossed the line, as did Cameron (and I was a fan of both). I'm sure plenty of other people think everything was fine and dandy and acceptable. I am but one voter.
Nigel will welcome your transfer of allegiance, I have no doubt. Happy canvassing.
As Mike has reminded us for many a long year, the EU isn't of paramount importance to all that many. UKIP is a useful protest vehicle on other topics too (albeit ones that often play to a similar gallery).
so if it wasn't that important why is turnout so high ?
Just quoting the Mori Issues index figures. It's not of overriding importance as a vote-determinant. That's not to say that people don't think it'll have an impact on their lives.
Okay Sky is really pissing me off talking about EU funding for all these different parts of the UK. Its not EU funding. Its UK taxpayers money laundered back to us via the EU.
We're going to get a lot of this.
It's the insufferable smugness of the Remainers that i'm going to find hardest to bear.
But, we must accept the result if it is this. For now.
I don't think there will be any smugness (other than from TSE, natch). Whatever the final result, it's already clear that Leave have done hugely better than anyone expected. If they haven't won, they've certainly come very close to winning, despite the odds. That's food for thought for all politicians.
I have nothing to be smug about.
Yet
Nope, even if Remain wins, I have to ensure people like Casino Royale are happy to be a Tory member.,
Sorry can't vote Tory without an outer as leader even if Corbyn is likely to be PM at least he is honest.
Okay Sky is really pissing me off talking about EU funding for all these different parts of the UK. Its not EU funding. Its UK taxpayers money laundered back to us via the EU.
We're going to get a lot of this.
It's the insufferable smugness of the Remainers that i'm going to find hardest to bear.
But, we must accept the result if it is this. For now.
I don't think there will be any smugness (other than from TSE, natch). Whatever the final result, it's already clear that Leave have done hugely better than anyone expected. If they haven't won, they've certainly come very close to winning, despite the odds. That's food for thought for all politicians.
I have nothing to be smug about.
How many did you manage to knock up ? Do you think as the results won't be known for ish six weeks.
I made it. Got into the station at 9.47. Ran to the car, broke every speed limit and got there as they were preparing to close down. I was the second last in; the last person was also a late train casualty and also Remain.
Very pleased to have taken part!
Delighted to hear you made it @SouthamObserver ! Splendid effort
Okay Sky is really pissing me off talking about EU funding for all these different parts of the UK. Its not EU funding. Its UK taxpayers money laundered back to us via the EU.
We're going to get a lot of this.
It's the insufferable smugness of the Remainers that i'm going to find hardest to bear.
But, we must accept the result if it is this. For now.
I don't think there will be any smugness (other than from TSE, natch). Whatever the final result, it's already clear that Leave have done hugely better than anyone expected. If they haven't won, they've certainly come very close to winning, despite the odds. That's food for thought for all politicians.
I have nothing to be smug about.
Yet
Nope, even if Remain wins, I have to ensure people like Casino Royale are happy to be a Tory member.,
by backing EU tax dodging multinats over your own people ?
Theresa Villiers calls it for Remain, blames project fear
I don't get why you would say something like this so early, unless they know something we don't...
She didn't call it as such, just said if pressed she'd say it will be Remain.
She's one of the Cameron signatories. Thinks Project Fear might have scared voters into Remain but still happy to sit opposite Cameron at the cabinet table...
As Mike has reminded us for many a long year, the EU isn't of paramount importance to all that many. UKIP is a useful protest vehicle on other topics too (albeit ones that often play to a similar gallery).
I think the turnout today shows that the EU is important to lots of people !!
Okay Sky is really pissing me off talking about EU funding for all these different parts of the UK. Its not EU funding. Its UK taxpayers money laundered back to us via the EU.
We're going to get a lot of this.
It's the insufferable smugness of the Remainers that i'm going to find hardest to bear.
But, we must accept the result if it is this. For now.
I don't think there will be any smugness (other than from TSE, natch). Whatever the final result, it's already clear that Leave have done hugely better than anyone expected. If they haven't won, they've certainly come very close to winning, despite the odds. That's food for thought for all politicians.
I have nothing to be smug about.
Yet
Nope, even if Remain wins, I have to ensure people like Casino Royale are happy to be a Tory member.,
by backing EU tax dodging multinats over your own people ?
I can see a problem
A scandalous misrepresentation of my views and of the EU.
is there a link to a cheat sheet by Curtice on Hanratty or somebodrnouy monitoring what the turnout / result should be in each area if the result was 50/50 so we can compare how each count is going compared to expectation?
Not sure anyone's done that but I'll stand corrected if they have.
Okay Sky is really pissing me off talking about EU funding for all these different parts of the UK. Its not EU funding. Its UK taxpayers money laundered back to us via the EU.
We're going to get a lot of this.
It's the insufferable smugness of the Remainers that i'm going to find hardest to bear.
But, we must accept the result if it is this. For now.
I don't think there will be any smugness (other than from TSE, natch). Whatever the final result, it's already clear that Leave have done hugely better than anyone expected. If they haven't won, they've certainly come very close to winning, despite the odds. That's food for thought for all politicians.
I have nothing to be smug about.
Yet
Nope, even if Remain wins, I have to ensure people like Casino Royale are happy to be a Tory member.,
by backing EU tax dodging multinats over your own people ?
I can see a problem
A scandalous misrepresentation of my views and of the EU.
Okay Sky is really pissing me off talking about EU funding for all these different parts of the UK. Its not EU funding. Its UK taxpayers money laundered back to us via the EU.
I was with you on that, Richard, but given that the Leave campaign made such a big deal of the £350 million a week line, I think it became valid again.
It's £350 million a week if we ignore the £100 million a week direct rebate and about £120 million a week of that EU funding, of course, and I certainly know you weren't one of those pushing that daft line. As someone who started off leaning Leave, it pissed me off somewhat (partly because I'd already, like you, got my hackles up at the "EU funding" claim; the Leave line more than legitimised the Remain claim, it went way beyond that into outright mendacity.
I know it might be daft to get into this now but the rebate is not £100 million. It is about £60 million a week. Our donation to the EU is £288 million a week after the rebate. That is the number they should have been using as I said before.
It's EU spending in the UK.
Evidently we needn't replicate it but some in Leave have say we would.
No its UK taxpayers money that we send to the EU and they send back to us with their own conditions attached - including often a demand for matched funding.
More Eurosceptics deserting the Tory part is presumably very good for Tory pro-Europeans in getting a Remainer as thier next leader.
57% of Tory voters voted Leave according to Yougov, not much good if the Tories get a Remainer as leader and are left with just 43% of their own voters.
The best bit of campaigning I remember seeing was the "call your nan" campaign by the remain side. I'm not sure how long it ran or how effective it was, but the idea of using it to mobilise your supporters into activity while also taking what's probably your only shot of shifting some of your solid opponents.
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He's the great unifier
You still fancying Leave for this? You have any doubts at all.
I still do. I'm still not convinced the polls, markets and bookies are right. Something feels wrong.
when things change youre fkd - for at least a decade
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hCtN3IY76azcr_6OiFPvZI0eXi_8JJqxT7d8vNhW2Do/edit#gid=0
53.9 - 46.1 in favour of Leave if ENGLAND goes 50-50. Suspect you need to add a point to take into account Scotland + N. Ireland - Wales
I suppose if they lose narrowly they can continue to campaign a la the SNP. If they won would they disperse without much left to hold them together, if they lost badly would they sink to a hard core.
This ain't over people....
That isnt the case of others
Giggle.
(edited for spelling)
I can see a problem
She's one of the Cameron signatories. Thinks Project Fear might have scared voters into Remain but still happy to sit opposite Cameron at the cabinet table...
Rather than loons.
I also did it to keep Northern Ireland peaceful
We might not know the final result for weeks....
DD, describing Kettering's turnout of 76% vs 67% at the GE said:
"This is really interesting."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obAoPP1bdIM
All to play for at 54%.