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Well yes...but the problem is (unlike THE ENTIRE F*****G INTERNET) I actually don't dislike the new Ghostbusters: I like Kate McKinnon and Melissa McCarthy, tho' I don't know enough about the other two to have an opinion. I assume it won't be as good as 80's Ghostbusters, but it may turn out to be OldRobocop/NewRobocop, where the reboot actually has some merit.PlatoSaid said:
Ghostbusters vs Ghostbusters2016.viewcode said:
I always wondered about that. I know Old Top Gear was scripted to the inch (isn't this called "constructed reality"?) but who wrote which bits? Did Clarkson write all of it, or was it more distributed?
There's also the question of power distribution. It used to be obvious that Clarkson and May were in charge and Hammond the cheery sidekick (his verbal contributions for his first few seasons were almost exclusively agreeing with Clarkson), but after his accident and concomitant fanmail his value to the show was proven and he became more confident.
As for the Evans/LeBlanc incarnation: well, Joey's good, Evans OK but it does drag, and whilst not the disaster it's being depicted as, I still prefer the C/M/H version
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That is not his idea, Kristol is editor of the conservative Weekly Standard, so the independent is likely to be a Republican or Republican leaningLuckyguy1983 said:
Can only take votes off Hillary surely.rottenborough said:Will we hear to today about the so far mythical third party, independent campaign for POTUS? As promised by Kristol on Sunday.
@BillKristol
Just a heads up over this holiday weekend: There will be an independent candidate--an impressive one, with a strong team and a real chance.
10:00 PM - 29 May 2016
This would certainly mean a rethink on the betting.0 -
So three who hate Cameron publicly, are still hating Cameron in public.HYUFD said:Bill Cash considering a vote of no confidence in PM too
'Sir Bill said he wanted the leadership to correct some of its warnings about the implications of Brexit, but otherwise would send his letter'
He told the Telegraph: “I am certainly considering it. It is up to them. My powerful warning to them is get your act together, make sure that you put voters first and the country first.” '
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/david-cameron/news/75557/tory-mp-turns-pressure-
Golly, shocker.0 -
I don't think wanting to leave the EU is a niche view or insane. I do think part of the right wing of the Tory party (MP's and members~) have some outdated and unpopular social views, and that some of them would find a more natural home at UKIP.Luckyguy1983 said:
Rubbish. What's centre right about them? Sound economics? Mastery over the public finances? Control over immigration? Robust on defence?midwinter said:
Disagee, Currently the Tory party (leadership at least) is centre right. That represents my political views adequately. Why should I want to change and vote for a party with a significant left wing bloc?HYUFD said:
Such voters are ideally suited to the LDs as Luckyguy saidmidwinter said:
That's not necessarily true is it. The point is that that a lot of moderate Tory leaning voters and floating voters are alienated by the right wing of the party in the same way that the left of Labour is unelectable. The personal attacks on Cameron aren't going to improve that situation, particularly given the loons making them.Luckyguy1983 said:
Well vote for them then, they're clearly your natural home.HaroldO said:I haven't really been following the whole carnival of campaign until this weekend and the personal attacks on Cameron, which seem to be an attempt to try and drag down the biggest beast that opposes them and to strike out for the future leadership campaign.
Problem is all it does is alienate people like me who are open to voting Tory (and have in the past) but are adverse to mendacious naval gazing, such as the events of this weekend. I
I would rather vote Lib Dem than see a Tory government run by the rights equivalent of Jeremy Corbyn. Ugh.
Equally if moderate Tory and floating voters were so suited by the Lib Dems then surely they would have performed significantly better at recent elections.
If right wing Tories are so disillusioned by the current (elected) government perhaps they should pop off to a party that suits them......UKIP.
Consistent polling shows us that 40 to 50% want to leave the EU. And even the most ardent europhiles would admit that most of the others are formed of reluctant remainers. That's not a loony or niche view.0 -
It's a Stop Trump operation that's for sure. Whether it will actually happen is another matter.HYUFD said:
That is not his idea, Kristol is editor of the conservative Weekly Standard, so the independent is likely to be a Republican or Republican leaningLuckyguy1983 said:
Can only take votes off Hillary surely.rottenborough said:Will we hear to today about the so far mythical third party, independent campaign for POTUS? As promised by Kristol on Sunday.
@BillKristol
Just a heads up over this holiday weekend: There will be an independent candidate--an impressive one, with a strong team and a real chance.
10:00 PM - 29 May 2016
This would certainly mean a rethink on the betting.0 -
Does suggest there will be a challenge though, regardless of the resultPlatoSaid said:
So three who hate Cameron publicly, are still hating Cameron in public.HYUFD said:Bill Cash considering a vote of no confidence in PM too
'Sir Bill said he wanted the leadership to correct some of its warnings about the implications of Brexit, but otherwise would send his letter'
He told the Telegraph: “I am certainly considering it. It is up to them. My powerful warning to them is get your act together, make sure that you put voters first and the country first.” '
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/david-cameron/news/75557/tory-mp-turns-pressure-
Golly, shocker.0 -
Amazingly, I did this stuff as a job for many years. What do I know?HYUFD said:
The average voter will have a glance at the two standing together and listen for ten seconds and then switch off, they will not spend hours going over the backstory of what they have said about each other in an election campaignPlatoSaid said:
No, it doesn't. It turns a pledge card PR event into Cameron/Saqid story about what they've said about each other. Total distraction.HYUFD said:
Perhaps but campaigning together gets double the publicity they would get campaigning alone, which is why they took the risk!Luckyguy1983 said:
Which is a good argument for campaigning separately, not together.HYUFD said:
True but if Khan can win London for Remain and Cameron the rest of the country Remain will win, Cameron will just have to deal with his divided party afterwardsMaxPB said:Have to say I think it is probably a misstep for the PM to campaign with Khan. Firstly it looks a little hypocritical given all that the PM said about him just weeks ago, and secondly there is still a lot of ill-feeling among Tory voters towards Khan.
They should have been speaking separately at the same event rather than appear together. It probably hurts the PM with London MPs who are looking at the rising red tide in London worrying about their majorities in 2020.0 -
David Cameron with Sadiq Kahn must be good for remain and David Cameron's repeating we 'just do not know' when referring to out was punchy and may become a theme against leave0
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Genuine poll question - 'How do you think Postman Pat would vote?' Remain 27 Leave 20 WV 8 DK 45
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I am going to pretend Ghostbusters 2016 does not exist. It looks absolutely awful. I believe the trailer on Youtube is the most disliked trailer in the website's history.PlatoSaid said:
Ghostbusters vs Ghostbusters2016.viewcode said:
I always wondered about that. I know Old Top Gear was scripted to the inch (isn't this called "constructed reality"?) but who wrote which bits? Did Clarkson write all of it, or was it more distributed?FrancisUrquhart said:
It was VERY scripted. The fact you could tell, tells you all you need to know. Old Top Gear was also very very carefully scripted by an obsessive Clarkson, but the best episodes were often were you couldn't tell if / when the script stopped.SouthamObserver said:
I did not see it, but it strikes me that Le Blanc is an actor so can handle a script, Evans isn't, so can't.DecrepitJohnL said:
For me the problem was it was scripted as if for the old team, and if you make the comparisons across the two eras, Chris Evans is more like Richard Hammond on speed, with Matt Le Blanc closer to Jeremy Clarkson, delivering dry quips in a deeper voice.glw said:
Just finished watching that. It is utterly barmy if Harris is relegated to the web-only show, and they had the news bit, and Sabine actually got to say something, and Rory Reid seems good enough to be on the main show presenting it.FrancisUrquhart said:Extra Gear guys were better...not fantastic, but better.
There's actually the makings of a decent show that doesn't try to be the old Top Gear, if only the BBC hadn't handed the job to Chris Evans.
There's also the question of power distribution. It used to be obvious that Clarkson and May were in charge and Hammond the cheery sidekick (his verbal contributions for his first few seasons were almost exclusively agreeing with Clarkson), but after his accident and concomitant fanmail his value to the show was proven and he became more confident.
As for the Evans/LeBlanc incarnation: well, Joey's good, Evans OK but it does drag, and whilst not the disaster it's being depicted as, I still prefer the C/M/H version0 -
Three announces mobile ad-blocking trial
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36397675
I think there will be a lot of advert reliant businesses very concerned by this move. I can see a "shake-down" move coming along, whereby companies have to pay to not be blocked by the mobile providers, to be on their "approved" advertising list.0 -
As I noted earlier - it's the wrong device for the frontmen, with crap content and PR wise very unoriginal.Luckyguy1983 said:
Pledge card. I hate to be optimistic (not the dissapointment, the hope etc. etc.), but the release of a pledge card surely isn't the sign that all goes well for the BSE campaign.PlatoSaid said:
No, it doesn't. It turns a pledge card PR event into Cameron/Saqid story about what they've said about each other. Total distraction.HYUFD said:
Perhaps but campaigning together gets double the publicity they would get campaigning alone, which is why they took the risk!Luckyguy1983 said:
Which is a good argument for campaigning separately, not together.HYUFD said:
True but if Khan can win London for Remain and Cameron the rest of the country Remain will win, Cameron will just have to deal with his divided party afterwardsMaxPB said:Have to say I think it is probably a misstep for the PM to campaign with Khan. Firstly it looks a little hypocritical given all that the PM said about him just weeks ago, and secondly there is still a lot of ill-feeling among Tory voters towards Khan.
They should have been speaking separately at the same event rather than appear together. It probably hurts the PM with London MPs who are looking at the rising red tide in London worrying about their majorities in 2020.
This isn't changing anyone's mind. Fail.
Whomever came up with this needs shooting. They clearly don't have anything bar tired, bad recycling to offer.
It's Pollyfilla content for the sake of it.0 -
I try not to prejudge these things as I often find my views out of kilter with the Internet — for example I think Guardians of the Galaxy is rubbish — but that trailer really does make the film look bad.MP_SE said:I am going to pretend Ghostbusters 2016 does not exist. It looks absolutely awful. I believe the trailer on Youtube is the most disliked trailer in the website's history.
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The Vicar of Dibley is most likely to back Remain apparently, followed by Sir Humphrey Appleby. Jim Royle is most likely to back Leave, followed by Basil Fawlty. Bob the Builder is most likely to be a swing voter
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/737258576264241152
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Does it? It's not as if the usual suspects haven't declared they have the fifty letter sown up in the past is it?HYUFD said:
Does suggest there will be a challenge though, regardless of the resultPlatoSaid said:
So three who hate Cameron publicly, are still hating Cameron in public.HYUFD said:Bill Cash considering a vote of no confidence in PM too
'Sir Bill said he wanted the leadership to correct some of its warnings about the implications of Brexit, but otherwise would send his letter'
He told the Telegraph: “I am certainly considering it. It is up to them. My powerful warning to them is get your act together, make sure that you put voters first and the country first.” '
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/david-cameron/news/75557/tory-mp-turns-pressure-
Golly, shocker.0 -
When you think the NUS can't get any nuttier...
An influential students' group has called for prisons to be abolished because they are 'sexist and racist' in the latest in a series of far-Left interventions by the student movement.
The National Union of Students black students' conference also voted to step up its fight against the Government's anti-extremism agenda.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3616041/Students-call-prisons-banned-NUS-group-says-criminals-freed.html
Sad to see that Cambridge didn't vote to leave last week.0 -
I agree, Postman Pat is definitely for Remain, as too is PC Plum in Balamory. Bob the Builder is working for Leave though.HYUFD said:Genuine poll question - 'How do you think Postman Pat would vote?' Remain 27 Leave 20 WV 8 DK 45
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Bob could go either way!foxinsoxuk said:
I agree, Postman Pat is definitely for Remain, as too is PC Plum in Balamory. Bob the Builder is working for Leave though.HYUFD said:Genuine poll question - 'How do you think Postman Pat would vote?' Remain 27 Leave 20 WV 8 DK 45
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Is Bob the Builder still going? Has he not been replaced by Bogdan the Builder?foxinsoxuk said:
I agree, Postman Pat is definitely for Remain, as too is PC Plum in Balamory. Bob the Builder is working for Leave though.HYUFD said:Genuine poll question - 'How do you think Postman Pat would vote?' Remain 27 Leave 20 WV 8 DK 45
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LOL David Brent the centre ground on this issue...HYUFD said:The Vicar of Dibley is most likely to back Remain apparently, followed by Sir Humphrey Appleby. Jim Royle is most likely to back Leave, followed by Basil Fawlty. Bob the Builder is most likely to be a swing voter
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That is the nature of globalisation. Mind you, since the Royal Mail was privatised Postman Pat is now known as Pat.FrancisUrquhart said:
Is Bob the Builder still going? Has he not been replaced by Bogdan the Builder?foxinsoxuk said:
I agree, Postman Pat is definitely for Remain, as too is PC Plum in Balamory. Bob the Builder is working for Leave though.HYUFD said:Genuine poll question - 'How do you think Postman Pat would vote?' Remain 27 Leave 20 WV 8 DK 45
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The prisoner 'trapped' 10 years into a 10-month jail sentence
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36410539
Impartial headline...and when you read the details, it isn't true.0 -
Andy Wilman?FrancisUrquhart said:
By all accounts it was Clarkson and his school mate that wrote the overwhelming majority of scripts, came up with the stunt ideas etc etc etc.viewcode said:
I always wondered about that. I know Old Top Gear was scripted to the inch (isn't this called "constructed reality"?) but who wrote which bits? Did Clarkson write all of it, or was it more distributed?FrancisUrquhart said:
It was VERY scripted. The fact you could tell, tells you all you need to know. Old Top Gear was also very very carefully scripted by an obsessive Clarkson, but the best episodes were often were you couldn't tell if / when the script stopped.SouthamObserver said:
I did not see it, but it strikes me that Le Blanc is an actor so can handle a script, Evans isn't, so can't.DecrepitJohnL said:
For me the problem was it was scripted as if for the old team, and if you make the comparisons across the two eras, Chris Evans is more like Richard Hammond on speed, with Matt Le Blanc closer to Jeremy Clarkson, delivering dry quips in a deeper voice.glw said:
Just finished watching that. It is utterly barmy if Harris is relegated to the web-only show, and they had the news bit, and Sabine actually got to say something, and Rory Reid seems good enough to be on the main show presenting it.FrancisUrquhart said:Extra Gear guys were better...not fantastic, but better.
There's actually the makings of a decent show that doesn't try to be the old Top Gear, if only the BBC hadn't handed the job to Chris Evans.
There's also the question of power distribution. It used to be obvious that Clarkson and May were in charge and Hammond the cheery sidekick (his verbal contributions for his first few seasons were almost exclusively agreeing with Clarkson), but after his accident and concomitant fanmail his value to the show was proven and he became more confident.
As for the Evans/LeBlanc incarnation: well, Joey's good, Evans OK but it does drag, and whilst not the disaster it's being depicted as, I still prefer the C/M/H version0 -
Indeed, I would have him a bit further towards Leave on this but perhaps he is concerned about exports of paper to the continent?FrancisUrquhart said:
LOL David Brent the centre ground on this issue...HYUFD said:The Vicar of Dibley is most likely to back Remain apparently, followed by Sir Humphrey Appleby. Jim Royle is most likely to back Leave, followed by Basil Fawlty. Bob the Builder is most likely to be a swing voter
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Yep, it is genuinely hard to distinguish a lot of Tory Leavers from UKIPers these days - especially now they are going so strong on immigration. What does separate them to the extent they need to be in different parties?midwinter said:
I don't think wanting to leave the EU is a niche view or insane. I do think part of the right wing of the Tory party (MP's and members~) have some outdated and unpopular social views, and that some of them would find a more natural home at UKIP.Luckyguy1983 said:
Rubbish. What's centre right about them? Sound economics? Mastery over the public finances? Control over immigration? Robust on defence?midwinter said:
Disagee, Currently the Tory party (leadership at least) is centre right. That represents my political views adequately. Why should I want to change and vote for a party with a significant left wing bloc?HYUFD said:
Such voters are ideally suited to the LDs as Luckyguy saidmidwinter said:
That's not necessarily true is it. The point is that that a lot of moderate Tory leaning voters and floating voters are alienated by the right wing of the party in the same way that the left of Labour is unelectable. The personal attacks on Cameron aren't going to improve that situation, particularly given the loons making them.Luckyguy1983 said:
Well vote for them then, they're clearly your natural home.HaroldO said:I haven't really been following the whole carnival of campaign until this weekend and the personal attacks on Cameron, which seem to be an attempt to try and drag down the biggest beast that opposes them and to strike out for the future leadership campaign.
Problem is all it does is alienate people like me who are open to voting Tory (and have in the past) but are adverse to mendacious naval gazing, such as the events of this weekend. I
I would rather vote Lib Dem than see a Tory government run by the rights equivalent of Jeremy Corbyn. Ugh.
Equally if moderate Tory and floating voters were so suited by the Lib Dems then surely they would have performed significantly better at recent elections.
If right wing Tories are so disillusioned by the current (elected) government perhaps they should pop off to a party that suits them......UKIP.
Consistent polling shows us that 40 to 50% want to leave the EU. And even the most ardent europhiles would admit that most of the others are formed of reluctant remainers. That's not a loony or niche view.
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Yesviewcode said:
Andy Wilman?FrancisUrquhart said:
By all accounts it was Clarkson and his school mate that wrote the overwhelming majority of scripts, came up with the stunt ideas etc etc etc.viewcode said:
I always wondered about that. I know Old Top Gear was scripted to the inch (isn't this called "constructed reality"?) but who wrote which bits? Did Clarkson write all of it, or was it more distributed?FrancisUrquhart said:
It was VERY scripted. The fact you could tell, tells you all you need to know. Old Top Gear was also very very carefully scripted by an obsessive Clarkson, but the best episodes were often were you couldn't tell if / when the script stopped.SouthamObserver said:
I did not see it, but it strikes me that Le Blanc is an actor so can handle a script, Evans isn't, so can't.DecrepitJohnL said:
For me the problem was it was scripted as if for the old team, and if you make the comparisons across the two eras, Chris Evans is more like Richard Hammond on speed, with Matt Le Blanc closer to Jeremy Clarkson, delivering dry quips in a deeper voice.glw said:
Just finished watching that. It is utterly barmy if Harris is relegated to the web-only show, and they had the news bit, and Sabine actually got to say something, and Rory Reid seems good enough to be on the main show presenting it.FrancisUrquhart said:Extra Gear guys were better...not fantastic, but better.
There's actually the makings of a decent show that doesn't try to be the old Top Gear, if only the BBC hadn't handed the job to Chris Evans.
There's also the question of power distribution. It used to be obvious that Clarkson and May were in charge and Hammond the cheery sidekick (his verbal contributions for his first few seasons were almost exclusively agreeing with Clarkson), but after his accident and concomitant fanmail his value to the show was proven and he became more confident.
As for the Evans/LeBlanc incarnation: well, Joey's good, Evans OK but it does drag, and whilst not the disaster it's being depicted as, I still prefer the C/M/H version0 -
Sid The Sexist, Victorian Dad, Mrs Brady Old Lady for Leave, with The Fat Slags, Student Grant, Millie Tant for Remain.0
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Exactly. It's a front or early section page photo for the papers, or an illustration on the TV news. It's not going to be a big story in and of itself.HYUFD said:
The average voter will have a glance at the two standing together and listen for ten seconds and then switch off, they will not spend hours going over the backstory of what they have said about each other in an election campaignPlatoSaid said:
No, it doesn't. It turns a pledge card PR event into Cameron/Saqid story about what they've said about each other. Total distraction.HYUFD said:
Perhaps but campaigning together gets double the publicity they would get campaigning alone, which is why they took the risk!Luckyguy1983 said:
Which is a good argument for campaigning separately, not together.HYUFD said:
True but if Khan can win London for Remain and Cameron the rest of the country Remain will win, Cameron will just have to deal with his divided party afterwardsMaxPB said:Have to say I think it is probably a misstep for the PM to campaign with Khan. Firstly it looks a little hypocritical given all that the PM said about him just weeks ago, and secondly there is still a lot of ill-feeling among Tory voters towards Khan.
They should have been speaking separately at the same event rather than appear together. It probably hurts the PM with London MPs who are looking at the rising red tide in London worrying about their majorities in 2020.
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As someone who saw Ghostbusters with my future husband 5x at my local Odeon in 1984, I do hope Mark Kermode has done a review.MP_SE said:
I am going to pretend Ghostbusters 2016 does not exist. It looks absolutely awful. I believe the trailer on Youtube is the most disliked trailer in the website's history.PlatoSaid said:
Ghostbusters vs Ghostbusters2016.viewcode said:
I always wondered about that. I know Old Top Gear was scripted to the inch (isn't this called "constructed reality"?) but who wrote which bits? Did Clarkson write all of it, or was it more distributed?FrancisUrquhart said:
It was VERY scripted. The fact you could tell, tells you all you need to know. Old Top Gear was also very very carefully scripted by an obsessive Clarkson, but the best episodes were often were you couldn't tell if / when the script stopped.SouthamObserver said:
I did not see it, but it strikes me that Le Blanc is an actor so can handle a script, Evans isn't, so can't.DecrepitJohnL said:
For me the problem was it was scripted as if for the old team, and if you make the comparisons across the two eras, Chris Evans is more like Richard Hammond on speed, with Matt Le Blanc closer to Jeremy Clarkson, delivering dry quips in a deeper voice.glw said:
Just finished watching that. It is utterly barmy if Harris is relegated to the web-only show, and they had the news bit, and Sabine actually got to say something, and Rory Reid seems good enough to be on the main show presenting it.FrancisUrquhart said:Extra Gear guys were better...not fantastic, but better.
There's actually the makings of a decent show that doesn't try to be the old Top Gear, if only the BBC hadn't handed the job to Chris Evans.
There's also the question of power distribution. It used to be obvious that Clarkson and May were in charge and Hammond the cheery sidekick (his verbal contributions for his first few seasons were almost exclusively agreeing with Clarkson), but after his accident and concomitant fanmail his value to the show was proven and he became more confident.
As for the Evans/LeBlanc incarnation: well, Joey's good, Evans OK but it does drag, and whilst not the disaster it's being depicted as, I still prefer the C/M/H version
His rant about Sex in the City 2 was epic.
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A really interesting idea for finding out the stereotypes people have towards the two campaigns. The sort of thing focus groups use with notable success. With a bit of analysis on the stereotypes it could inform the campaigns which way to goHYUFD said:The Vicar of Dibley is most likely to back Remain apparently, followed by Sir Humphrey Appleby. Jim Royle is most likely to back Leave, followed by Basil Fawlty. Bob the Builder is most likely to be a swing voter
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/737258576264241152
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Fascinating though it is to discover that Captain Birdseye is thought to be a Brexiteer (CFP niggles no doubt), are we due any proper polls soon?0
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Is it wrong to dress as a crusader for an England match?
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Look at the stats!!MP_SE said:
I am going to pretend Ghostbusters 2016 does not exist. It looks absolutely awful. I believe the trailer on Youtube is the most disliked trailer in the website's history.PlatoSaid said:
Ghostbusters vs Ghostbusters2016.viewcode said:
I always wondered about that. I know Old Top Gear was scripted to the inch (isn't this called "constructed reality"?) but who wrote which bits? Did Clarkson write all of it, or was it more distributed?FrancisUrquhart said:
It was VERY scripted. The fact you could tell, tells you all you need to know. Old Top Gear was also very very carefully scripted by an obsessive Clarkson, but the best episodes were often were you couldn't tell if / when the script stopped.SouthamObserver said:
I did not see it, but it strikes me that Le Blanc is an actor so can handle a script, Evans isn't, so can't.DecrepitJohnL said:
For me the problem was it was scripted as if for the old team, and if you make the comparisons across the two eras, Chris Evans is more like Richard Hammond on speed, with Matt Le Blanc closer to Jeremy Clarkson, delivering dry quips in a deeper voice.glw said:
Just finished watching that. It is utterly barmy if Harris is relegated to the web-only show, and they had the news bit, and Sabine actually got to say something, and Rory Reid seems good enough to be on the main show presenting it.FrancisUrquhart said:Extra Gear guys were better...not fantastic, but better.
There's actually the makings of a decent show that doesn't try to be the old Top Gear, if only the BBC hadn't handed the job to Chris Evans.
There's also the question of power distribution. It used to be obvious that Clarkson and May were in charge and Hammond the cheery sidekick (his verbal contributions for his first few seasons were almost exclusively agreeing with Clarkson), but after his accident and concomitant fanmail his value to the show was proven and he became more confident.
As for the Evans/LeBlanc incarnation: well, Joey's good, Evans OK but it does drag, and whilst not the disaster it's being depicted as, I still prefer the C/M/H version
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IndeedSouthamObserver said:
Exactly. It's a front or early section page photo for the papers, or an illustration on the TV news. It's not going to be a big story in and of itself.HYUFD said:
The average voter will have a glance at the two standing together and listen for ten seconds and then switch off, they will not spend hours going over the backstory of what they have said about each other in an election campaignPlatoSaid said:
No, it doesn't. It turns a pledge card PR event into Cameron/Saqid story about what they've said about each other. Total distraction.HYUFD said:
Perhaps but campaigning together gets double the publicity they would get campaigning alone, which is why they took the risk!Luckyguy1983 said:
Which is a good argument for campaigning separately, not together.HYUFD said:
True but if Khan can win London for Remain and Cameron the rest of the country Remain will win, Cameron will just have to deal with his divided party afterwardsMaxPB said:Have to say I think it is probably a misstep for the PM to campaign with Khan. Firstly it looks a little hypocritical given all that the PM said about him just weeks ago, and secondly there is still a lot of ill-feeling among Tory voters towards Khan.
They should have been speaking separately at the same event rather than appear together. It probably hurts the PM with London MPs who are looking at the rising red tide in London worrying about their majorities in 2020.0 -
The Pathetic Sharks for Remain, Major Misunderstanding for Leave...dr_spyn said:Sid The Sexist, Victorian Dad, Mrs Brady Old Lady for Leave, with The Fat Slags, Student Grant, Millie Tant for Remain.
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It's a conspiracy!HYUFD said:
Not on a grey Bank Holiday Monday I am afraid!NeilVW said:Fascinating though it is to discover that Captain Birdseye is thought to be a Brexiteer (CFP niggles no doubt), are we due any proper polls soon?
Would have thought Mary Poppins would be a hardcore Outer - to diminish competition from Slovakian au-pairs.0 -
Quite interesting for someone of Canadian origin. He wasn't a captain though. Bit of a loner as well. (Which is one of the reasons he worked out how to freeze fish)NeilVW said:Fascinating though it is to discover that Captain Birdseye is thought to be a Brexiteer (CFP niggles no doubt), are we due any proper polls soon?
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Indeed, Leave picks up the old, eg Captain Manwaring, Hyacinth Bucket, the grumpy eg Basil Fawlty and Groundskeeper Willie, the less educated eg Keith Lemmon and Jim Royle. Remain picks up young women eg Miranda and Bridget Jones, the smug establishment eg Sir Humphrey and ethnic minorities eg Citizen Khan.Roger said:
A really interesting idea for finding out the stereotypes people have towards the two campaigns. The sort of thing focus groups use with notable success. With a bit of analysis on the stereotypes it could inform the campaigns which way to goHYUFD said:The Vicar of Dibley is most likely to back Remain apparently, followed by Sir Humphrey Appleby. Jim Royle is most likely to back Leave, followed by Basil Fawlty. Bob the Builder is most likely to be a swing voter
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FrancisUrquhart said:
Is Bob the Builder still going? Has he not been replaced by Bogdan the Builder?foxinsoxuk said:
I agree, Postman Pat is definitely for Remain, as too is PC Plum in Balamory. Bob the Builder is working for Leave though.HYUFD said:Genuine poll question - 'How do you think Postman Pat would vote?' Remain 27 Leave 20 WV 8 DK 45
https://twitter.com/alexmassie/status/737257493726957568
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The Modern Parents' votes - one for and the other against.foxinsoxuk said:
The Pathetic Sharks for Remain, Major Misunderstanding for Leave...dr_spyn said:Sid The Sexist, Victorian Dad, Mrs Brady Old Lady for Leave, with The Fat Slags, Student Grant, Millie Tant for Remain.
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Free paedos and gangstas!!FrancisUrquhart said:When you think the NUS can't get any nuttier...
An influential students' group has called for prisons to be abolished because they are 'sexist and racist' in the latest in a series of far-Left interventions by the student movement.
The National Union of Students black students' conference also voted to step up its fight against the Government's anti-extremism agenda.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3616041/Students-call-prisons-banned-NUS-group-says-criminals-freed.html
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Leave: Rainbow Dash loves her freedom; AppleJack is concerned about immigrants picking her fruit. Fluttershy wants the UK to be able to enforce higher animal welfare standards than the EU will let her.foxinsoxuk said:
I agree, Postman Pat is definitely for Remain, as too is PC Plum in Balamory. Bob the Builder is working for Leave though.HYUFD said:Genuine poll question - 'How do you think Postman Pat would vote?' Remain 27 Leave 20 WV 8 DK 45
https://twitter.com/alexmassie/status/737257493726957568
Remain: Rarity is concerned about cheap clothing imports and wants to be part of a tarrif-based customs union; Twilight Sparkle is a member of the Establishment so will do as Princess Cadence tells her.
WNV: Pinkie Pie is too busy partying to vote
I make that 60/40 to leave excluding WNV
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Thanks.Richard_Tyndall said:Good thread header yet again Roger. Many thanks for all your hard work on these. I have not yet read any of the comments yet so am probably going to completely go against the general PB consensus.
Funnily enough I think I disagree with you about the relative worth's of the two adverts. I think the Remain advert is better than the Leave one because it tries to paint a positive picture whilst highlighting the supposed risks of Leave. Of course I don't agree with it but I think it was effective in what it was trying to do and I fear that if I were neutral on the matter and perhaps not hugely informed on the EU I would be swayed by it.
The Leave advert does nothing for me at all. I don't buy the apocalyptic visions and think going negative in this way just turns people off.
Again I am not really the target audience for this advert but I am very worried that going this route Leave are simply preaching to the converted rather than trying to persuade soft Remain or undecided.
Difficult for either of us not being the target market. I judged it on the messaging overload for 'Remain' and the better targeting by 'Leave'. Older undecideds leaning towards 'Leave' might have found a grain of truth in despite its ridiculous hyperbole.
I'd be surprised if undecided younger voters who 'Sam' was aimed at would have found anything at all to help them decide (if they even bothered watching it till the end).
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Post of the DayCharles said:
Leave: Rainbow Dash loves her freedom; AppleJack is concerned about immigrants picking her fruit. Fluttershy wants the UK to be able to enforce higher animal welfare standards than the EU will let her.foxinsoxuk said:
I agree, Postman Pat is definitely for Remain, as too is PC Plum in Balamory. Bob the Builder is working for Leave though.HYUFD said:Genuine poll question - 'How do you think Postman Pat would vote?' Remain 27 Leave 20 WV 8 DK 45
https://twitter.com/alexmassie/status/737257493726957568
Remain: Rarity is concerned about cheap clothing imports and wants to be part of a tarrif-based customs union; Twilight Sparkle is a member of the Establishment so will do as Princess Cadence tells her.
WNV: Pinkie Pie is too buys partying to vote
I make that 60/40 to leave excluding WNV
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You can guess what my daughter's favorite cartoon is, I guess...PlatoSaid said:
Post of the DayCharles said:
Leave: Rainbow Dash loves her freedom; AppleJack is concerned about immigrants picking her fruit. Fluttershy wants the UK to be able to enforce higher animal welfare standards than the EU will let her.foxinsoxuk said:
I agree, Postman Pat is definitely for Remain, as too is PC Plum in Balamory. Bob the Builder is working for Leave though.HYUFD said:Genuine poll question - 'How do you think Postman Pat would vote?' Remain 27 Leave 20 WV 8 DK 45
https://twitter.com/alexmassie/status/737257493726957568
Remain: Rarity is concerned about cheap clothing imports and wants to be part of a tarrif-based customs union; Twilight Sparkle is a member of the Establishment so will do as Princess Cadence tells her.
WNV: Pinkie Pie is too buys partying to vote
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I too wonder who would watch either to the end. I can't see undecideds watching the remain one to the end. Not sure about the leave one.Roger said:
Thanks.Richard_Tyndall said:Good thread header yet again Roger. Many thanks for all your hard work on these. I have not yet read any of the comments yet so am probably going to completely go against the general PB consensus.
Funnily enough I think I disagree with you about the relative worth's of the two adverts. I think the Remain advert is better than the Leave one because it tries to paint a positive picture whilst highlighting the supposed risks of Leave. Of course I don't agree with it but I think it was effective in what it was trying to do and I fear that if I were neutral on the matter and perhaps not hugely informed on the EU I would be swayed by it.
The Leave advert does nothing for me at all. I don't buy the apocalyptic visions and think going negative in this way just turns people off.
Again I am not really the target audience for this advert but I am very worried that going this route Leave are simply preaching to the converted rather than trying to persuade soft Remain or undecided.
Difficult for either of us not being the target market. I judged it on the messaging overload for 'Remain' and the better targeting by 'Leave'. Older undecideds leaning towards 'Leave' might have found a grain of truth in despite its ridiculous hyperbole.
I'd be surprised if undecided younger voters who 'Sam' was aimed at would have found anything at all to help them decide (if they even bothered watching it till the end).
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Face it Charles, you're a Brony.Charles said:
You can guess what my daughter's favorite cartoon is, I guess...PlatoSaid said:
Post of the DayCharles said:
Leave: Rainbow Dash loves her freedom; AppleJack is concerned about immigrants picking her fruit. Fluttershy wants the UK to be able to enforce higher animal welfare standards than the EU will let her.foxinsoxuk said:
I agree, Postman Pat is definitely for Remain, as too is PC Plum in Balamory. Bob the Builder is working for Leave though.HYUFD said:Genuine poll question - 'How do you think Postman Pat would vote?' Remain 27 Leave 20 WV 8 DK 45
https://twitter.com/alexmassie/status/737257493726957568
Remain: Rarity is concerned about cheap clothing imports and wants to be part of a tarrif-based customs union; Twilight Sparkle is a member of the Establishment so will do as Princess Cadence tells her.
WNV: Pinkie Pie is too buys partying to vote
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I have a twenty two year old nephew who is a Brony. There are quite a few in Sheffield apparently, indeed I have my suspicions about TSE...TheWhiteRabbit said:
Face it Charles, you're a Brony.Charles said:
You can guess what my daughter's favorite cartoon is, I guess...PlatoSaid said:
Post of the DayCharles said:
Leave: Rainbow Dash loves her freedom; AppleJack is concerned about immigrants picking her fruit. Fluttershy wants the UK to be able to enforce higher animal welfare standards than the EU will let her.foxinsoxuk said:
I agree, Postman Pat is definitely for Remain, as too is PC Plum in Balamory. Bob the Builder is working for Leave though.HYUFD said:Genuine poll question - 'How do you think Postman Pat would vote?' Remain 27 Leave 20 WV 8 DK 45
https://twitter.com/alexmassie/status/737257493726957568
Remain: Rarity is concerned about cheap clothing imports and wants to be part of a tarrif-based customs union; Twilight Sparkle is a member of the Establishment so will do as Princess Cadence tells her.
WNV: Pinkie Pie is too buys partying to vote
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I found all of the jokes in the trailer not amusing in the slightest. They seemed really dumbed down.PlatoSaid said:
Look at the stats!!MP_SE said:
I am going to pretend Ghostbusters 2016 does not exist. It looks absolutely awful. I believe the trailer on Youtube is the most disliked trailer in the website's history.PlatoSaid said:
Ghostbusters vs Ghostbusters2016.viewcode said:
I always wondered about that. I know Old Top Gear was scripted to the inch (isn't this called "constructed reality"?) but who wrote which bits? Did Clarkson write all of it, or was it more distributed?FrancisUrquhart said:
It was VERY scripted. The fact you could tell, tells you all you need to know. Old Top Gear was also very very carefully scripted by an obsessive Clarkson, but the best episodes were often were you couldn't tell if / when the script stopped.SouthamObserver said:
I did not see it, but it strikes me that Le Blanc is an actor so can handle a script, Evans isn't, so can't.DecrepitJohnL said:
For me the problem was it was scripted as if for the old team, and if you make the comparisons across the two eras, Chris Evans is more like Richard Hammond on speed, with Matt Le Blanc closer to Jeremy Clarkson, delivering dry quips in a deeper voice.glw said:
Just finished watching that. It is utterly barmy if Harris is relegated to the web-only show, and they had the news bit, and Sabine actually got to say something, and Rory Reid seems good enough to be on the main show presenting it.FrancisUrquhart said:Extra Gear guys were better...not fantastic, but better.
There's actually the makings of a decent show that doesn't try to be the old Top Gear, if only the BBC hadn't handed the job to Chris Evans.
There's also the question of power distribution. It used to be obvious that Clarkson and May were in charge and Hammond the cheery sidekick (his verbal contributions for his first few seasons were almost exclusively agreeing with Clarkson), but after his accident and concomitant fanmail his value to the show was proven and he became more confident.
As for the Evans/LeBlanc incarnation: well, Joey's good, Evans OK but it does drag, and whilst not the disaster it's being depicted as, I still prefer the C/M/H version
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With the Pathetic Sharks patrolling our maritime borders to keep the Albanians out.dr_spyn said:Sid The Sexist, Victorian Dad, Mrs Brady Old Lady for Leave, with The Fat Slags, Student Grant, Millie Tant for Remain.
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Finbar Saunders loves his Pole, and wants a mass debate.SandyRentool said:
With the Pathetic Sharks patrolling our maritime borders to keep the Albanians out.dr_spyn said:Sid The Sexist, Victorian Dad, Mrs Brady Old Lady for Leave, with The Fat Slags, Student Grant, Millie Tant for Remain.
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And here was my thinking you were a fan...Charles said:
You can guess what my daughter's favorite cartoon is, I guess...PlatoSaid said:
Post of the DayCharles said:
Leave: Rainbow Dash loves her freedom; AppleJack is concerned about immigrants picking her fruit. Fluttershy wants the UK to be able to enforce higher animal welfare standards than the EU will let her.foxinsoxuk said:
I agree, Postman Pat is definitely for Remain, as too is PC Plum in Balamory. Bob the Builder is working for Leave though.HYUFD said:Genuine poll question - 'How do you think Postman Pat would vote?' Remain 27 Leave 20 WV 8 DK 45
https://twitter.com/alexmassie/status/737257493726957568
Remain: Rarity is concerned about cheap clothing imports and wants to be part of a tarrif-based customs union; Twilight Sparkle is a member of the Establishment so will do as Princess Cadence tells her.
WNV: Pinkie Pie is too buys partying to vote
I make that 60/40 to leave excluding WNV
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It's Ghostbusters re-imagined by the Guardian, trying to be a bit controversial.MP_SE said:
I found all of the jokes in the trailer not amusing in the slightest. They seemed really dumbed down.PlatoSaid said:
Look at the stats!!MP_SE said:
I am going to pretend Ghostbusters 2016 does not exist. It looks absolutely awful. I believe the trailer on Youtube is the most disliked trailer in the website's history.PlatoSaid said:
Ghostbusters vs Ghostbusters2016.viewcode said:
I always wondered about that. I know Old Top Gear was scripted to the inch (isn't this called "constructed reality"?) but who wrote which bits? Did Clarkson write all of it, or was it more distributed?FrancisUrquhart said:
It was VERY scripted. The fact you could tell, tells you all you need to know. Old Top Gear was also very very carefully scripted by an obsessive Clarkson, but the best episodes were often were you couldn't tell if / when the script stopped.SouthamObserver said:
I did not see it, but it strikes me that Le Blanc is an actor so can handle a script, Evans isn't, so can't.DecrepitJohnL said:
For me the problem was it was scripted as if for the old team, and if you make the comparisons across the two eras, Chris Evans is more like Richard Hammond on speed, with Matt Le Blanc closer to Jeremy Clarkson, delivering dry quips in a deeper voice.glw said:
Just finished watching that. It is utterly barmy if Harris is relegated to the web-only show, and they had the news bit, and Sabine actually got to say something, and Rory Reid seems good enough to be on the main show presenting it.FrancisUrquhart said:Extra Gear guys were better...not fantastic, but better.
There's actually the makings of a decent show that doesn't try to be the old Top Gear, if only the BBC hadn't handed the job to Chris Evans.
There's also the question of power distribution. It used to be obvious that Clarkson and May were in charge and Hammond the cheery sidekick (his verbal contributions for his first few seasons were almost exclusively agreeing with Clarkson), but after his accident and concomitant fanmail his value to the show was proven and he became more confident.
As for the Evans/LeBlanc incarnation: well, Joey's good, Evans OK but it does drag, and whilst not the disaster it's being depicted as, I still prefer the C/M/H version
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If we vote to remain, and then the deal gets thrown out by say the EU parliament, would you demand another referendum, or insist that this one was on the basis the deal might be sunk afterwards?0 -
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With the Pathetic Sharks patrolling our maritime borders to keep the Albanians out.dr_spyn said:Sid The Sexist, Victorian Dad, Mrs Brady Old Lady for Leave, with The Fat Slags, Student Grant, Millie Tant for Remain.
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Precisely.PlatoSaid said:
As I noted earlier - it's the wrong device for the frontmen, with crap content and PR wise very unoriginal.Luckyguy1983 said:
Pledge card. I hate to be optimistic (not the dissapointment, the hope etc. etc.), but the release of a pledge card surely isn't the sign that all goes well for the BSE campaign.PlatoSaid said:
No, it doesn't. It turns a pledge card PR event into Cameron/Saqid story about what they've said about each other. Total distraction.HYUFD said:
Perhaps but campaigning together gets double the publicity they would get campaigning alone, which is why they took the risk!Luckyguy1983 said:
Which is a good argument for campaigning separately, not together.HYUFD said:
True but if Khan can win London for Remain and Cameron the rest of the country Remain will win, Cameron will just have to deal with his divided party afterwardsMaxPB said:Have to say I think it is probably a misstep for the PM to campaign with Khan. Firstly it looks a little hypocritical given all that the PM said about him just weeks ago, and secondly there is still a lot of ill-feeling among Tory voters towards Khan.
They should have been speaking separately at the same event rather than appear together. It probably hurts the PM with London MPs who are looking at the rising red tide in London worrying about their majorities in 2020.
This isn't changing anyone's mind. Fail.
Whomever came up with this needs shooting. They clearly don't have anything bar tired, bad recycling to offer.
It's Pollyfilla content for the sake of it.
And good grief I've just seen the pledges.
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How do think places like Rhondda will vote, plaid won the assembley seat but Plaid are a pro E.U party. Also what about North Wales what is your gut telling you.Big_G_NorthWales said:David Cameron with Sadiq Kahn must be good for remain and David Cameron's repeating we 'just do not know' when referring to out was punchy and may become a theme against leave
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DecrepitJohnL said:
For me the problem was it was scripted as if for the old team, and if you make the comparisons across the two eras, Chris Evans is more like Richard Hammond on speed, with Matt Le Blanc closer to Jeremy Clarkson, delivering dry quips in a deeper voice.glw said:
Just finished watching that. It is utterly barmy if Harris is relegated to the web-only show, and they had the news bit, and Sabine actually got to say something, and Rory Reid seems good enough to be on the main show presenting it.FrancisUrquhart said:Extra Gear guys were better...not fantastic, but better.
There's actually the makings of a decent show that doesn't try to be the old Top Gear, if only the BBC hadn't handed the job to Chris Evans.
Don't you mean Le Blanc is more like James MayMoses_ said:Don't say you weren't warned. You will be hearing a lot about EUTIN after Remainers win the referendum. The end game is a Federal Europe let's be in no doubt so just stop the lies and admit it. The elite who evade and avoid tax will still do so and they know it. This is little people rules.....
"On Wednesday night, the European Union’s Economic and Monetary Affairs Committee quietly passed a chilling piece of legislation. It calls for every one of the 500 million people who live in the EU to be given a ‘European Taxpayer Identification Number’, or EUTIN for short. The official statement released by the Committee puts this move in the blandest terms possible, saying that the system will “serve as a basis for effective automatic exchange of information between member states’ tax administrations”.
"Yet what the EUTIN amounts to is the ability to track, record and monitor every earner across the European Union. If you receive a pay cheque anywhere between Blackpool and Bratislava, the European Union will monitor and record it."
"Tied up with EUTIN is new legislation that will prevent member states from setting their levels of corporation tax too far below those of other member states. It is a direct attack on competitiveness, designed to ensure that no country with a large financial sector (such as Britain), can make itself more attractive and successful as a place to do business."
"In a few short years, the EU will also be putting its hand into your pocket, and making sure that you take home even less of your salary. In return you get no tangible benefits or protection, but instead support a vast and bloated bureaucratic system, who exist only to impose more unwanted laws and taxes from across the sea – and we cannot throw them out as they are unelected"
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Beat your guy 57-43.LadyBucket said:I've just watched the PM and Sadiq Khan on SKY, who unbelievably went to the adverts during the PM's speech. What a poor speaker Sadiq Khan is, he showed about as much passion as "a damp rag." Have London really elected the right man?
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