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This afternoon I got a tip from someone in Colorado that the state governor, John Hickenlooper, was in with a good chance of becoming Hillary’s VP choice.
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Have you ever had a 50/1 plus winner in the US Presidential markets in the past Mike?0
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(I am also on Hickenlooper, and I must confess I may have taken the position before this story went up.)0
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I've never made any money on the Veep markets.rcs1000 said:(I am also on Hickenlooper, and I must confess I may have taken the position before this story went up.)
The less said about my backing of Joe Lieberman to be John McCain's running mate in 2008, and Paul Ryan wasn't even listed with any bookies when he was chosen.0 -
Got to bet on that for the name alone.0
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-36381191
Ruth Davidson complaining about "middle class giveaways", can't see Osbourne saying that. And she's right free tuition fees are a massive middle class giveaway especially in Scotland where the poor do worse than in England in gaining Uni places.0 -
Another Leaver planning for defeat
John Redwood: A vote to remain in the EU won’t be the last we hear of Brexit
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/25/vote-remain-eu-brexit-conservatives-leave?CMP=twt_gu0 -
Sussex Police arrests - looks like this isn't his first trafficking run either
“Police arrested a 55-year-old man, a UK passport holder, and 17 Albanian nationals aboard a yacht at Chichester Marina shortly before 10pm on Monday. The arrests were made by Sussex police after Hampshire police alerted us about the yacht arriving at the marina.0 -
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Compare and contrast with Cameron and Osborne refusing to plan for Brexit even though they claim it would bring about utter disaster.TheScreamingEagles said:Another Leaver planning for defeat
John Redwood: A vote to remain in the EU won’t be the last we hear of Brexit
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/25/vote-remain-eu-brexit-conservatives-leave?CMP=twt_gu
They really are completely unfit to govern.0 -
Oh really?Richard_Tyndall said:
Compare and contrast with Cameron and Osborne refusing to plan for Brexit even though they claim it would bring about utter disaster.TheScreamingEagles said:Another Leaver planning for defeat
John Redwood: A vote to remain in the EU won’t be the last we hear of Brexit
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/25/vote-remain-eu-brexit-conservatives-leave?CMP=twt_gu
They really are completely unfit to govern.
George Osborne says Treasury is planning for Brexit
Chancellor says Bank of England and his department are doing ‘serious amount of contingency planning’ to maintain stability
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/11/george-osborne-says-treasury-is-planning-for-brexit0 -
BMG Online Poll
45% (nc) – Leave
44% (+1) – Remain
Fieldwork 20th-25th May 2016
http://www.bmgresearch.co.uk/bmg-eu-referendum-tracker-leave-45-remain-44-undecidedpnts-12/0 -
Evening all
I'm sure the Trump fans and the Republicans who seem to proliferate on here will be on to say OGH has no chance and Hickenlooper's the wrong choice and so on.
I caught up with a few minutes of the daily anti-Clinton diatribe on Fox and they were showing some remarks from HRC from 2007 and accusing her of flip-flopping.
So if someone changes their mind within nearly a decade, that's a flip-flop, is it ? I'd like to think they'd examine the consistency of Trump's views on a range of issues over the past decade. I suspect there are plenty of flips, flops and flips back across a whole range of matters.
In lieu of any enthausiasm for Trump (and it's notable media conservatives fail to offer much of an endorsement, if any, to Trump), all Fox can do is attack HRC.
As you may have noticed, I don't "get" Trump in the same way as I don't "get" any populist politician. His policy platform seems inconsequential, contradictory and incoherent such as it is. I get "anger" and people wanting to have a go "at the Establishment" but simply being angry and shouting a lot shouldn't work in a democratic society - yes, I know it has done and that's what worries me.0 -
Osborne HUMILIATED by Brussels: EU 'drops' agreement to exempt UK from tampon tax
GEORGE Osborne has been humiliated by European Union (EU) bureaucrats who have dropped his supposed agreement to exempt Britain from the punishing tampon tax, it has been claimed.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/673665/EU-referendum-George-Osborne-Brexit-tampon-tax-John-Redwood
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Someone's not telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth...TheScreamingEagles said:
Oh really?Richard_Tyndall said:
Compare and contrast with Cameron and Osborne refusing to plan for Brexit even though they claim it would bring about utter disaster.TheScreamingEagles said:Another Leaver planning for defeat
John Redwood: A vote to remain in the EU won’t be the last we hear of Brexit
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/25/vote-remain-eu-brexit-conservatives-leave?CMP=twt_gu
They really are completely unfit to govern.
George Osborne says Treasury is planning for Brexit
Chancellor says Bank of England and his department are doing ‘serious amount of contingency planning’ to maintain stability
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/11/george-osborne-says-treasury-is-planning-for-brexit
"That is contingency planning about financial market consequences rather than the policies that you would pursue if you were not a member of the EU," he said.
"The Bank of England has a statutory responsibility for financial stability.
"The government is not doing contingency panning for the policy consequences of a vote to leave."
Asked if there was even a plan to stop a short-term 'shock', the spokesman said once again: "We are not doing any contingency planning."
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/government-made-no-plans-brexit-79309470 -
Frozen stiff.TheScreamingEagles said:BMG Online Poll
45% (nc) – Leave
44% (+1) – Remain
Fieldwork 20th-25th May 2016
http://www.bmgresearch.co.uk/bmg-eu-referendum-tracker-leave-45-remain-44-undecidedpnts-12/0 -
Tykejohnno said:
Osborne HUMILIATED by Brussels: EU 'drops' agreement to exempt UK from tampon tax
GEORGE Osborne has been humiliated by European Union (EU) bureaucrats who have dropped his supposed agreement to exempt Britain from the punishing tampon tax, it has been claimed.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/673665/EU-referendum-George-Osborne-Brexit-tampon-tax-John-Redwood
Tipping Point.
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That story is older than the story I linked to.Charles said:
Someone's not telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth...TheScreamingEagles said:
Oh really?Richard_Tyndall said:
Compare and contrast with Cameron and Osborne refusing to plan for Brexit even though they claim it would bring about utter disaster.TheScreamingEagles said:Another Leaver planning for defeat
John Redwood: A vote to remain in the EU won’t be the last we hear of Brexit
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/25/vote-remain-eu-brexit-conservatives-leave?CMP=twt_gu
They really are completely unfit to govern.
George Osborne says Treasury is planning for Brexit
Chancellor says Bank of England and his department are doing ‘serious amount of contingency planning’ to maintain stability
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/11/george-osborne-says-treasury-is-planning-for-brexit
"That is contingency planning about financial market consequences rather than the policies that you would pursue if you were not a member of the EU," he said.
"The Bank of England has a statutory responsibility for financial stability.
"The government is not doing contingency panning for the policy consequences of a vote to leave."
Asked if there was even a plan to stop a short-term 'shock', the spokesman said once again: "We are not doing any contingency planning."
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/government-made-no-plans-brexit-7930947
And The Daily Mirror? Really, I mean really?0 -
Ah. So Cameron's spokesman was lying on 9th May when they he that they were making no such plans.TheScreamingEagles said:
Oh really?Richard_Tyndall said:
Compare and contrast with Cameron and Osborne refusing to plan for Brexit even though they claim it would bring about utter disaster.TheScreamingEagles said:Another Leaver planning for defeat
John Redwood: A vote to remain in the EU won’t be the last we hear of Brexit
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/25/vote-remain-eu-brexit-conservatives-leave?CMP=twt_gu
They really are completely unfit to govern.
George Osborne says Treasury is planning for Brexit
Chancellor says Bank of England and his department are doing ‘serious amount of contingency planning’ to maintain stability
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/11/george-osborne-says-treasury-is-planning-for-brexit
Just to clarify you are confirming that Downing Street were lying to the public then.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/europe/eu-institutions/news/74766/government-making-no-plans-brexit-despite-david-camerons-war
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Re. De Gaulle, one way or another he managed to unpick the chaos of The Fourth French Republic discredited by its failures in Indo-China, Suez, a savage war in Algeria, attempts by The French Army to stage coups d'etat. Add on the activities of the OAS, mutinous paratroops it is to De Gaulle's credit that the country didn't fall apart.0
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I quoted Politics Home. Are you accusing them of being dishonest as well?TheScreamingEagles said:
That story is older than the story I linked to.Charles said:
Someone's not telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth...TheScreamingEagles said:
Oh really?Richard_Tyndall said:
Compare and contrast with Cameron and Osborne refusing to plan for Brexit even though they claim it would bring about utter disaster.TheScreamingEagles said:Another Leaver planning for defeat
John Redwood: A vote to remain in the EU won’t be the last we hear of Brexit
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/25/vote-remain-eu-brexit-conservatives-leave?CMP=twt_gu
They really are completely unfit to govern.
George Osborne says Treasury is planning for Brexit
Chancellor says Bank of England and his department are doing ‘serious amount of contingency planning’ to maintain stability
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/11/george-osborne-says-treasury-is-planning-for-brexit
"That is contingency planning about financial market consequences rather than the policies that you would pursue if you were not a member of the EU," he said.
"The Bank of England has a statutory responsibility for financial stability.
"The government is not doing contingency panning for the policy consequences of a vote to leave."
Asked if there was even a plan to stop a short-term 'shock', the spokesman said once again: "We are not doing any contingency planning."
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/government-made-no-plans-brexit-7930947
And The Daily Mirror? Really, I mean really?0 -
They updated the policy between then.Richard_Tyndall said:
Ah. So Cameron's spokesman was lying on 9th May when they he that they were making no such plans.TheScreamingEagles said:
Oh really?Richard_Tyndall said:
Compare and contrast with Cameron and Osborne refusing to plan for Brexit even though they claim it would bring about utter disaster.TheScreamingEagles said:Another Leaver planning for defeat
John Redwood: A vote to remain in the EU won’t be the last we hear of Brexit
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/25/vote-remain-eu-brexit-conservatives-leave?CMP=twt_gu
They really are completely unfit to govern.
George Osborne says Treasury is planning for Brexit
Chancellor says Bank of England and his department are doing ‘serious amount of contingency planning’ to maintain stability
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/11/george-osborne-says-treasury-is-planning-for-brexit
Just to clarify you are confirming that Downing Street were lying to the public then.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/europe/eu-institutions/news/74766/government-making-no-plans-brexit-despite-david-camerons-war0 -
By 2 days. It may be that in those two days the Treasury "did a considerable amount of work".TheScreamingEagles said:
That story is older than the story I linked to.Charles said:
Someone's not telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth...TheScreamingEagles said:
Oh really?Richard_Tyndall said:
Compare and contrast with Cameron and Osborne refusing to plan for Brexit even though they claim it would bring about utter disaster.TheScreamingEagles said:Another Leaver planning for defeat
John Redwood: A vote to remain in the EU won’t be the last we hear of Brexit
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/25/vote-remain-eu-brexit-conservatives-leave?CMP=twt_gu
They really are completely unfit to govern.
George Osborne says Treasury is planning for Brexit
Chancellor says Bank of England and his department are doing ‘serious amount of contingency planning’ to maintain stability
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/11/george-osborne-says-treasury-is-planning-for-brexit
"That is contingency planning about financial market consequences rather than the policies that you would pursue if you were not a member of the EU," he said.
"The Bank of England has a statutory responsibility for financial stability.
"The government is not doing contingency panning for the policy consequences of a vote to leave."
Asked if there was even a plan to stop a short-term 'shock', the spokesman said once again: "We are not doing any contingency planning."
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/government-made-no-plans-brexit-7930947
And The Daily Mirror? Really, I mean really?
But I call bullshit.
I am certain that they are planning - the civil service simply wouldn't be doing their job if they weren't. They may well not have briefed the ministers - plausible deniability - but they will have done it.
The daily mirror was the first article on google. But the piece I excerpted was a series of direct quotes from the Downing Street spokesman0 -
Well, of course they are. It would be staggering if they weren't.TheScreamingEagles said:
Oh really?
George Osborne says Treasury is planning for Brexit
Chancellor says Bank of England and his department are doing ‘serious amount of contingency planning’ to maintain stability
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/11/george-osborne-says-treasury-is-planning-for-brexit
The Government, as any sensible organisation, has plans for all contingencies including (I would guess) the collapse of the Eurozone and a whole swathe of other events.
It is in REMAIN's interests to talk up panic, dislocation, angst, anguish, plagues of locusts and the rest but it is the task of Government to ensure that if we democratically decide to LEAVE, any short-term confusion is minimised and any short-term market reaction is mitigated as far as possible.
Once again, rhetoric meets reality. On June 24th, irrespective of the result of the EU Referendum, there will still be a Conservative Government mandated to govern and it's a not unreasonable demand that the Government continues to govern and the business of Government continues irrespective of the internal machinations of the governing Party.0 -
Wolf J. Flywheel for VPOTUS sounds only slightly less ridiculous...0
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I waiting for Paul from Bedfordshire to say this poll shows a clear movement to Remain.Casino_Royale said:
Frozen stiff.TheScreamingEagles said:BMG Online Poll
45% (nc) – Leave
44% (+1) – Remain
Fieldwork 20th-25th May 2016
http://www.bmgresearch.co.uk/bmg-eu-referendum-tracker-leave-45-remain-44-undecidedpnts-12/0 -
Are the Posh Boys about to be destroyed by Tampons?Tykejohnno said:Osborne HUMILIATED by Brussels: EU 'drops' agreement to exempt UK from tampon tax
GEORGE Osborne has been humiliated by European Union (EU) bureaucrats who have dropped his supposed agreement to exempt Britain from the punishing tampon tax, it has been claimed.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/673665/EU-referendum-George-Osborne-Brexit-tampon-tax-John-Redwood
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On topic, every US Vice-President since Aaron Burr has been such a disappointment0
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John Redwood absolutely excellent there.Tykejohnno said:Osborne HUMILIATED by Brussels: EU 'drops' agreement to exempt UK from tampon tax
GEORGE Osborne has been humiliated by European Union (EU) bureaucrats who have dropped his supposed agreement to exempt Britain from the punishing tampon tax, it has been claimed.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/673665/EU-referendum-George-Osborne-Brexit-tampon-tax-John-Redwood0 -
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In 2 days? From nothing at all to serious amounts of contingency planning. That is some going. Of course the more obvious explanation is it was bollocks.TheScreamingEagles said:
They updated the policy between then.Richard_Tyndall said:
Ah. So Cameron's spokesman was lying on 9th May when they he that they were making no such plans.TheScreamingEagles said:
Oh really?Richard_Tyndall said:
Compare and contrast with Cameron and Osborne refusing to plan for Brexit even though they claim it would bring about utter disaster.TheScreamingEagles said:Another Leaver planning for defeat
John Redwood: A vote to remain in the EU won’t be the last we hear of Brexit
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/25/vote-remain-eu-brexit-conservatives-leave?CMP=twt_gu
They really are completely unfit to govern.
George Osborne says Treasury is planning for Brexit
Chancellor says Bank of England and his department are doing ‘serious amount of contingency planning’ to maintain stability
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/11/george-osborne-says-treasury-is-planning-for-brexit
Just to clarify you are confirming that Downing Street were lying to the public then.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/europe/eu-institutions/news/74766/government-making-no-plans-brexit-despite-david-camerons-war0 -
A brief period of rejoicing?GIN1138 said:
Are the Posh Boys about to be destroyed by Tampons?Tykejohnno said:Osborne HUMILIATED by Brussels: EU 'drops' agreement to exempt UK from tampon tax
GEORGE Osborne has been humiliated by European Union (EU) bureaucrats who have dropped his supposed agreement to exempt Britain from the punishing tampon tax, it has been claimed.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/673665/EU-referendum-George-Osborne-Brexit-tampon-tax-John-Redwood0 -
Cameron and Osborne, eviscerated by tampons.Sunil_Prasannan said:
A brief period of rejoicing?GIN1138 said:
Are the Posh Boys about to be destroyed by Tampons?Tykejohnno said:Osborne HUMILIATED by Brussels: EU 'drops' agreement to exempt UK from tampon tax
GEORGE Osborne has been humiliated by European Union (EU) bureaucrats who have dropped his supposed agreement to exempt Britain from the punishing tampon tax, it has been claimed.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/673665/EU-referendum-George-Osborne-Brexit-tampon-tax-John-Redwood
Say's it all really doesn't it?
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They couldn't even pull stringsGIN1138 said:
Cameron and Osborne, eviscerated by tampons.Sunil_Prasannan said:
A brief period of rejoicing?GIN1138 said:
Are the Posh Boys about to be destroyed by Tampons?Tykejohnno said:Osborne HUMILIATED by Brussels: EU 'drops' agreement to exempt UK from tampon tax
GEORGE Osborne has been humiliated by European Union (EU) bureaucrats who have dropped his supposed agreement to exempt Britain from the punishing tampon tax, it has been claimed.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/673665/EU-referendum-George-Osborne-Brexit-tampon-tax-John-Redwood
Say's it all really doesn't it?0 -
Hickenlooper had one of the more interesting gubernatorial elections in 2010. The Republicans only won 11 per cent as their candidate was surpassed by the anti-immigration, anti-Islam, but pro-marijuana legalisation candidate, ex-congressman Tom Tancredo, running under the Constitution Party banner.0
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Is this true?Luckyguy1983 said:
John Redwood absolutely excellent there.Tykejohnno said:Osborne HUMILIATED by Brussels: EU 'drops' agreement to exempt UK from tampon tax
GEORGE Osborne has been humiliated by European Union (EU) bureaucrats who have dropped his supposed agreement to exempt Britain from the punishing tampon tax, it has been claimed.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/673665/EU-referendum-George-Osborne-Brexit-tampon-tax-John-Redwood
I am an Express-sceptic.0 -
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Hit a raw nerve did I?TheScreamingEagles said:
I waiting for Paul from Bedfordshire to say this poll shows a clear movement to Remain.Casino_Royale said:
Frozen stiff.TheScreamingEagles said:BMG Online Poll
45% (nc) – Leave
44% (+1) – Remain
Fieldwork 20th-25th May 2016
http://www.bmgresearch.co.uk/bmg-eu-referendum-tracker-leave-45-remain-44-undecidedpnts-12/
Seems in line with the others.
No one has the faintest idea what the real score is but, whatever it is, it is pretty well Identical to a month ago despite the great and good internationally as well as nationally throwing the kitchen sink at it.0 -
nunu said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-36381191
Ruth Davidson complaining about "middle class giveaways", can't see Osbourne saying that. And she's right free tuition fees are a massive middle class giveaway especially in Scotland where the poor do worse than in England in gaining Uni places.
I think he said something very similar when he took away Child Benefit from 40p tax payers.
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Unlike Hammond's audience of three at a recent meeting of Tory europhiles:Plato_Says said:That's an audience.
https://twitter.com/DanJukes17/status/735542261371576325
http://order-order.com/2016/05/24/conservatives-in-spot-the-difference/0 -
I would in the past have failed to understand that.... One daughter and all is clear.Plato_Says said:
They couldn't even pull stringsGIN1138 said:
Cameron and Osborne, eviscerated by tampons.Sunil_Prasannan said:
A brief period of rejoicing?GIN1138 said:
Are the Posh Boys about to be destroyed by Tampons?Tykejohnno said:Osborne HUMILIATED by Brussels: EU 'drops' agreement to exempt UK from tampon tax
GEORGE Osborne has been humiliated by European Union (EU) bureaucrats who have dropped his supposed agreement to exempt Britain from the punishing tampon tax, it has been claimed.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/673665/EU-referendum-George-Osborne-Brexit-tampon-tax-John-Redwood
Say's it all really doesn't it?
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I'm reading contradictory things on twitter, some say the non rated items would appear on another list.Casino_Royale said:
Is this true?Luckyguy1983 said:
John Redwood absolutely excellent there.Tykejohnno said:Osborne HUMILIATED by Brussels: EU 'drops' agreement to exempt UK from tampon tax
GEORGE Osborne has been humiliated by European Union (EU) bureaucrats who have dropped his supposed agreement to exempt Britain from the punishing tampon tax, it has been claimed.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/673665/EU-referendum-George-Osborne-Brexit-tampon-tax-John-Redwood
I am an Express-sceptic.
There's a distinction between exempt items and zero rated items apparently.0 -
I seem to recall there was similar nonsense during the independence referendum when Cameron claimed the Government had done no contingency planning for a YES vote.Richard_Tyndall said:
In 2 days? From nothing at all to serious amounts of contingency planning. That is some going. Of course the more obvious explanation is it was bollocks.
I understand not wanting to lose but to not even acknowledge the Government has planned for the possibility of defeat is just foolish.
Governments, as most large organisations, plan or have contingencies for everything whether it's a terrorist attack, pandemic, major weather event (prolonged cold or prolonged heat) or economic crisis and a million other things.
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Plato_Says said:
They couldn't even pull stringsGIN1138 said:
Cameron and Osborne, eviscerated by tampons.Sunil_Prasannan said:
A brief period of rejoicing?GIN1138 said:
Are the Posh Boys about to be destroyed by Tampons?Tykejohnno said:Osborne HUMILIATED by Brussels: EU 'drops' agreement to exempt UK from tampon tax
GEORGE Osborne has been humiliated by European Union (EU) bureaucrats who have dropped his supposed agreement to exempt Britain from the punishing tampon tax, it has been claimed.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/673665/EU-referendum-George-Osborne-Brexit-tampon-tax-John-Redwood
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I'm afraid the tone has become a bit more unrealistic and fantastic on here in the last 72 hours.Casino_Royale said:
Is this true?Luckyguy1983 said:
John Redwood absolutely excellent there.Tykejohnno said:Osborne HUMILIATED by Brussels: EU 'drops' agreement to exempt UK from tampon tax
GEORGE Osborne has been humiliated by European Union (EU) bureaucrats who have dropped his supposed agreement to exempt Britain from the punishing tampon tax, it has been claimed.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/673665/EU-referendum-George-Osborne-Brexit-tampon-tax-John-Redwood
I am an Express-sceptic.
Now we're being told that John Redwood and Paul Nuttall are winning the referendum for leave.
EVERYTHING IS GOING WELL. ^_^0 -
Worth a read. Portes is a leftie REMAINer
Jonathan Portes @jdportes
Undoubtedly most realistic/credible economic analysis I've seen from Brexit side, by @andrew_lilico analysis http://www.andrewlilico.com/2016/05/22/what-is-it-reasonable-to-believe-might-be-the-economic-impact-of-brexit/ …0 -
What do you mean? I'm talking about his speech in parliament in the video.Casino_Royale said:
Is this true?Luckyguy1983 said:
John Redwood absolutely excellent there.Tykejohnno said:Osborne HUMILIATED by Brussels: EU 'drops' agreement to exempt UK from tampon tax
GEORGE Osborne has been humiliated by European Union (EU) bureaucrats who have dropped his supposed agreement to exempt Britain from the punishing tampon tax, it has been claimed.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/673665/EU-referendum-George-Osborne-Brexit-tampon-tax-John-Redwood
I am an Express-sceptic.0 -
Between a loss of 1% of GDP and a gain of 2% of GDP by 2030, which is very similar to Open Europe and the Capital Economics Woodford report.TCPoliticalBetting said:Worth a read. Portes is a leftie REMAINer
Jonathan Portes @jdportes
Undoubtedly most realistic/credible economic analysis I've seen from Brexit side, by @andrew_lilico analysis http://www.andrewlilico.com/2016/05/22/what-is-it-reasonable-to-believe-might-be-the-economic-impact-of-brexit/ …
Which I've said all along are the credible and genuinely independent forecasts.0 -
Just back from a brief US trip during which I spent a bit of time with some GOP folk. First thing to say is that Trump will definitely be coming to DC in late 2016. He is building a big, in your face hotel inside an old government building on Pennsylvania Avenue, just a hundred yards or so from the White House. Needless to say his name is all over it.
More seriously, I find the idea of him winning in November a lot more credible than I did and also a lot less terrifying. This is not a prediction - no more of those from me on US politics - but an observation. Hillary is not popular, she is part of the machine, she is horribly compromised, genuinely enthusiastic supporters seem to be thin on the ground. She has a lot of work to do in a campaign that will be fought on TV - a medium Trump instinctively understands and is totally at home with. He also clearly enjoys campaigning; Hillary clearly doesn't. The game will be played, then, on Trump's turf and it will be tough to stop him setting the agenda day after day. If she does end up winning it may be because Trump gets over-brash and pushes the anti-Hillary line a bit too far, so provoking a Mom-led backlash. Trump has to be careful.
If he does become President I just cannot see him getting involved in detailed policy stuff. He'll set a tone: protectionist on trade, tough on terror etc, but will leave almost all the work to others - perhaps even to a technocratic VP choice. He'll struggle to bring in A list Republicans to his administration, so may have to cast the net more widely, which may be no bad thing. As for Trump himself, while others are doing the day to day stuff, he will just keep campaigning - maybe running aggressively against a Senate which could be Democrat once again after November. For the UK, Trump will probably be like most recent Presidents and either take us for granted or ignore us. His rhetoric and maybe the odd flakey, belligerant decision may make us more vulnerable to attacks from people he has helped to radicalise. But by and large, nothing much will change. In reality, he won't do much harm.0 -
Or moody rages, and blood on the carpet?Sunil_Prasannan said:
A brief period of rejoicing?GIN1138 said:
Are the Posh Boys about to be destroyed by Tampons?Tykejohnno said:Osborne HUMILIATED by Brussels: EU 'drops' agreement to exempt UK from tampon tax
GEORGE Osborne has been humiliated by European Union (EU) bureaucrats who have dropped his supposed agreement to exempt Britain from the punishing tampon tax, it has been claimed.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/673665/EU-referendum-George-Osborne-Brexit-tampon-tax-John-Redwood0 -
re the tampon tax. Why don't we just unilaterally change the VAT rate? Who cares if we get sued!0
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Perhaps they started in May 10th?Richard_Tyndall said:
Ah. So Cameron's spokesman was lying on 9th May when they he that they were making no such plans.TheScreamingEagles said:
Oh really?Richard_Tyndall said:
Compare and contrast with Cameron and Osborne refusing to plan for Brexit even though they claim it would bring about utter disaster.TheScreamingEagles said:Another Leaver planning for defeat
John Redwood: A vote to remain in the EU won’t be the last we hear of Brexit
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/25/vote-remain-eu-brexit-conservatives-leave?CMP=twt_gu
They really are completely unfit to govern.
George Osborne says Treasury is planning for Brexit
Chancellor says Bank of England and his department are doing ‘serious amount of contingency planning’ to maintain stability
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/11/george-osborne-says-treasury-is-planning-for-brexit
Just to clarify you are confirming that Downing Street were lying to the public then.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/europe/eu-institutions/news/74766/government-making-no-plans-brexit-despite-david-camerons-war0 -
Same as Rathbones (the old Jupiter team) who I rateCasino_Royale said:
Between a loss of 1% of GDP and a gain of 2% of GDP by 2030, which is very similar to Open Europe and the Capital Economics Woodford report.TCPoliticalBetting said:Worth a read. Portes is a leftie REMAINer
Jonathan Portes @jdportes
Undoubtedly most realistic/credible economic analysis I've seen from Brexit side, by @andrew_lilico analysis http://www.andrewlilico.com/2016/05/22/what-is-it-reasonable-to-believe-might-be-the-economic-impact-of-brexit/ …
Which I've said all along are the credible and genuinely independent forecasts.0 -
If (huge massive if) there is a Brexit and Trump becomes President, that'll be interesting.SouthamObserver said:Just back from a brief US trip during which I spent a bit of time with some GOP folk. First thing to say is that Trump will definitely be coming to DC in late 2016. He is building a big, in your face hotel inside an old government building on Pennsylvania Avenue, just a hundred yards or so from the White House. Needless to say his name is all over it.
More seriously, I find the idea of him winning in November a lot more credible than I did and also a lot less terrifying. This is not a prediction - no more of those from me on US politics - but an observation. Hillary is not popular, she is part of the machine, she is horribly compromised, genuinely enthusiastic supporters seem to be thin on the ground. She has a lot of work to do in a campaign that will be fought on TV - a medium Trump instinctively understands and is totally at home with. He also clearly enjoys campaigning; Hillary clearly doesn't. The game will be played, then, on Trump's turf and it will be tough to stop him setting the agenda day after day. If she does end up winning it may be because Trump gets over-brash and pushes the anti-Hillary line a bit too far, so provoking a Mom-led backlash. Trump has to be careful.
If he does become President I just cannot see him getting involved in detailed policy stuff. He'll set a tone: protectionist on trade, tough on terror etc, but will leave almost all the work to others - perhaps even to a technocratic VP choice. He'll struggle to bring in A list Republicans to his administration, so may have to cast the net more widely, which may be no bad thing. As for Trump himself, while others are doing the day to day stuff, he will just keep campaigning - maybe running aggressively against a Senate which could be Democrat once again after November. For the UK, Trump will probably be like most recent Presidents and either take us for granted or ignore us. His rhetoric and maybe the odd flakey, belligerant decision may make us more vulnerable to attacks from people he has helped to radicalise. But by and large, nothing much will change. In reality, he won't do much harm.
On the one hand, he supports Brexit. On the other hand, he'll probably be quite protectionist.
Will there be a deal to be done?
Dunno. Maybe.0 -
https://twitter.com/simonblackwell/status/735561755275997184Plato_Says said:That's an audience.
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This thread makes me wonder whether Machiavelli was a bettor.0
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If it wasn't for this twitter feed, I don't know how I'd get through this referendum:
https://twitter.com/Stronger_ln/status/7355571795000279040 -
Truman?TheScreamingEagles said:On topic, every US Vice-President since Aaron Burr has been such a disappointment
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I understand the symbolism of tampons being taxed, but with current retail prices running at about 12p per tampon, the VAT is about 2p per tampon.RobD said:re the tampon tax. Why don't we just unilaterally change the VAT rate? Who cares if we get sued!
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The campaign has barely shifted the polls at all.Casino_Royale said:
Frozen stiff.TheScreamingEagles said:BMG Online Poll
45% (nc) – Leave
44% (+1) – Remain
Fieldwork 20th-25th May 2016
http://www.bmgresearch.co.uk/bmg-eu-referendum-tracker-leave-45-remain-44-undecidedpnts-12/
We've seen this movie before.0 -
Just the usual Govt lying.Richard_Tyndall said:
In 2 days? From nothing at all to serious amounts of contingency planning. That is some going. Of course the more obvious explanation is it was bollocks.TheScreamingEagles said:
They updated the policy between then.Richard_Tyndall said:
Ah. So Cameron's spokesman was lying on 9th May when they he that they were making no such plans.TheScreamingEagles said:
Oh really?Richard_Tyndall said:
Compare and contrast with Cameron and Osborne refusing to plan for Brexit even though they claim it would bring about utter disaster.TheScreamingEagles said:Another Leaver planning for defeat
John Redwood: A vote to remain in the EU won’t be the last we hear of Brexit
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/25/vote-remain-eu-brexit-conservatives-leave?CMP=twt_gu
They really are completely unfit to govern.
George Osborne says Treasury is planning for Brexit
Chancellor says Bank of England and his department are doing ‘serious amount of contingency planning’ to maintain stability
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/11/george-osborne-says-treasury-is-planning-for-brexit
Just to clarify you are confirming that Downing Street were lying to the public then.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/europe/eu-institutions/news/74766/government-making-no-plans-brexit-despite-david-camerons-war
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That sounds like one to keep for posterity...SouthamObserver said:But by and large, nothing much will change. In reality, he won't do much harm.
Like Rogers infamous "it'l be all over by Friday" prediction at the start of the credit crunch!
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O/T Got to demo the very latest version of HTC Vive today...hasn't changed my mind at all about VR and the Vive is the best of all of them out there...there are so many reasons why this won't be a big hit in people living rooms, despite all the hype.
Sell Sell Sell any VR related company stock...0 -
What's wrong with the IFS that makes them not credible or independent?Casino_Royale said:
Between a loss of 1% of GDP and a gain of 2% of GDP by 2030, which is very similar to Open Europe and the Capital Economics Woodford report.TCPoliticalBetting said:Worth a read. Portes is a leftie REMAINer
Jonathan Portes @jdportes
Undoubtedly most realistic/credible economic analysis I've seen from Brexit side, by @andrew_lilico analysis http://www.andrewlilico.com/2016/05/22/what-is-it-reasonable-to-believe-might-be-the-economic-impact-of-brexit/ …
Which I've said all along are the credible and genuinely independent forecasts.
Wrong answer?
The post is just handwaving relying on the idea that, somehow, the euro area will make Britain about 2 per cent of GDP poorer - not less rich, but actually poorer - due to changes in single market rules, but that there would be no impact from losing out on those opportunities in the first place by quitting the EU ("net position... fairly close to today's"). It's not exactly cast iron. The rest is speculative. Maybe Britain will get more trade deals. The like of TTIP or free trade in autos with Japan, however, look like sci fi at the moment.0 -
Ah, going to bed. Tired. Plus had enough referenduming today.
Night all.0 -
VAT is a complete dogs dinner. Any trip to somewhere like Costco where you clearly see pre-Vat / post-VAT on the same price label, gives a clear illustration that it is total bonkers what is considered luxury and what isn't.foxinsoxuk said:
I understand the symbolism of tampons being taxed, but with current retail prices running at about 12p per tampon, the VAT is about 2p per tampon.RobD said:re the tampon tax. Why don't we just unilaterally change the VAT rate? Who cares if we get sued!
VAT rules have plenty of other anomalies too.
You come away with the clear impression that basically which products were VATable was decided by a toddler with a set of coloured stickers.0 -
There is, it's to do with whether a company can claim back the VAT it's paid on the goods it bought to produce the goods it sold. Zero rated it can, exempt it can't.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm reading contradictory things on twitter, some say the non rated items would appear on another list.Casino_Royale said:
Is this true?Luckyguy1983 said:
John Redwood absolutely excellent there.Tykejohnno said:Osborne HUMILIATED by Brussels: EU 'drops' agreement to exempt UK from tampon tax
GEORGE Osborne has been humiliated by European Union (EU) bureaucrats who have dropped his supposed agreement to exempt Britain from the punishing tampon tax, it has been claimed.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/673665/EU-referendum-George-Osborne-Brexit-tampon-tax-John-Redwood
I am an Express-sceptic.
There's a distinction between exempt items and zero rated items apparently.
I think.0 -
Back to manning the LEAVE barricades tomorrow, 7am sharpe.Casino_Royale said:Ah, going to bed. Tired. Plus had enough referenduming today.
Night all.
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Meanwhile in Southend a racist cat is causing house prices to drop...
http://southendnewsnetwork.com/news/southend-residents-terrified-of-uks-most-aggressive-cat/0 -
The "intricacies" of VAT are one thing...But the Posh Boys promised they'd exempt Tampons from EU dictated VAT rules and now it seems they can't even do that (even though we're in the middle of a referendum that might see us pull out of the EU)ThreeQuidder said:
There is, it's to do with whether a company can claim back the VAT it's paid on the goods it bought to produce the goods it sold. Zero rated it can, exempt it can't.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm reading contradictory things on twitter, some say the non rated items would appear on another list.Casino_Royale said:
Is this true?Luckyguy1983 said:
John Redwood absolutely excellent there.Tykejohnno said:Osborne HUMILIATED by Brussels: EU 'drops' agreement to exempt UK from tampon tax
GEORGE Osborne has been humiliated by European Union (EU) bureaucrats who have dropped his supposed agreement to exempt Britain from the punishing tampon tax, it has been claimed.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/673665/EU-referendum-George-Osborne-Brexit-tampon-tax-John-Redwood
I am an Express-sceptic.
There's a distinction between exempt items and zero rated items apparently.
I think.
If it "catches on" with the media it will look dreadful for REMAIN.0 -
The Mumsnet brigade will got nuttso if it is true.GIN1138 said:
The "intricacies" of VAT are one thing...But the Posh Boys promised they'd exempt Tampons from VAT and now it seems they can't even do that (even though we're in the middle of a referendum that might see us pull out of the EU)ThreeQuidder said:
There is, it's to do with whether a company can claim back the VAT it's paid on the goods it bought to produce the goods it sold. Zero rated it can, exempt it can't.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm reading contradictory things on twitter, some say the non rated items would appear on another list.Casino_Royale said:
Is this true?Luckyguy1983 said:
John Redwood absolutely excellent there.Tykejohnno said:Osborne HUMILIATED by Brussels: EU 'drops' agreement to exempt UK from tampon tax
GEORGE Osborne has been humiliated by European Union (EU) bureaucrats who have dropped his supposed agreement to exempt Britain from the punishing tampon tax, it has been claimed.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/673665/EU-referendum-George-Osborne-Brexit-tampon-tax-John-Redwood
I am an Express-sceptic.
There's a distinction between exempt items and zero rated items apparently.
I think.
If it "catches on" with the media it will look dreadful for REMAIN.0 -
They shouldn't attack Trump as a flip-flopper - he gets away with it because he's so shameless about it. They should be saying he's mentally unstable.stodge said:Evening all
I'm sure the Trump fans and the Republicans who seem to proliferate on here will be on to say OGH has no chance and Hickenlooper's the wrong choice and so on.
I caught up with a few minutes of the daily anti-Clinton diatribe on Fox and they were showing some remarks from HRC from 2007 and accusing her of flip-flopping.
So if someone changes their mind within nearly a decade, that's a flip-flop, is it ? I'd like to think they'd examine the consistency of Trump's views on a range of issues over the past decade. I suspect there are plenty of flips, flops and flips back across a whole range of matters.
In lieu of any enthausiasm for Trump (and it's notable media conservatives fail to offer much of an endorsement, if any, to Trump), all Fox can do is attack HRC.
As you may have noticed, I don't "get" Trump in the same way as I don't "get" any populist politician. His policy platform seems inconsequential, contradictory and incoherent such as it is. I get "anger" and people wanting to have a go "at the Establishment" but simply being angry and shouting a lot shouldn't work in a democratic society - yes, I know it has done and that's what worries me.0 -
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If Lilico's right and Britain would be 0.3 per cent of GDP better off by "getting out of the way" of the euro area, why doesn't it just do so right now? Make the decisions that are so obviously right, and let everyone benefit?
And does the answer augur badly for his other hypotheses that Britain would make all the correct (i.e. pro-growth) decisions on trade and regulation outside the EU, If the UK can't even get 0.3 per cent of a free lunch today?
I mean, it is interesting, but you can tell it is one person's blog post.0 -
And more generally it's something that in some ways is kind of trivial but just expresses the absurdity of the EU and our position within.FrancisUrquhart said:
The Mumsnet brigade will got nuttso if it is true.GIN1138 said:
The "intricacies" of VAT are one thing...But the Posh Boys promised they'd exempt Tampons from VAT and now it seems they can't even do that (even though we're in the middle of a referendum that might see us pull out of the EU)ThreeQuidder said:
There is, it's to do with whether a company can claim back the VAT it's paid on the goods it bought to produce the goods it sold. Zero rated it can, exempt it can't.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm reading contradictory things on twitter, some say the non rated items would appear on another list.Casino_Royale said:
Is this true?Luckyguy1983 said:
John Redwood absolutely excellent there.Tykejohnno said:Osborne HUMILIATED by Brussels: EU 'drops' agreement to exempt UK from tampon tax
GEORGE Osborne has been humiliated by European Union (EU) bureaucrats who have dropped his supposed agreement to exempt Britain from the punishing tampon tax, it has been claimed.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/673665/EU-referendum-George-Osborne-Brexit-tampon-tax-John-Redwood
I am an Express-sceptic.
There's a distinction between exempt items and zero rated items apparently.
I think.
If it "catches on" with the media it will look dreadful for REMAIN.
I imagine there's a lot of frantic phone calls into the Commission going on right now to try and shut this one down until after 23rd June.
What is the time in Japan anyway? 0 -
Looks Corbyn-sized. Though he gets overspill too.Plato_Says said:That's an audience.
https://twitter.com/DanJukes17/status/735542261371576325
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For the last few weeks PB LEAVE were mocking "tampon tax" as an irrelevance
Now PB LEAVE is saying "tampon tax" will embody EU treason and betrayal and maybe even win the referendum, along with people's champion and noted orator Paul Nuttall0 -
We also have the Netflix bollocks....I presume if they are going to do Netflix, next with be music streaming like Spotify etc.GIN1138 said:
And more generally it's something that in some ways is kind of trivial but just expresses the absurdity of the EU and our position within.FrancisUrquhart said:
The Mumsnet brigade will got nuttso if it is true.GIN1138 said:
The "intricacies" of VAT are one thing...But the Posh Boys promised they'd exempt Tampons from VAT and now it seems they can't even do that (even though we're in the middle of a referendum that might see us pull out of the EU)ThreeQuidder said:
There is, it's to do with whether a company can claim back the VAT it's paid on the goods it bought to produce the goods it sold. Zero rated it can, exempt it can't.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm reading contradictory things on twitter, some say the non rated items would appear on another list.Casino_Royale said:
Is this true?Luckyguy1983 said:
John Redwood absolutely excellent there.Tykejohnno said:Osborne HUMILIATED by Brussels: EU 'drops' agreement to exempt UK from tampon tax
GEORGE Osborne has been humiliated by European Union (EU) bureaucrats who have dropped his supposed agreement to exempt Britain from the punishing tampon tax, it has been claimed.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/673665/EU-referendum-George-Osborne-Brexit-tampon-tax-John-Redwood
I am an Express-sceptic.
There's a distinction between exempt items and zero rated items apparently.
I think.
If it "catches on" with the media it will look dreadful for REMAIN.
I imagine there's a lot of frantic phone calls into the Commission going on right now to try and shut this one down until after 23rd June.0 -
Tighter and tighter...
5/20-5/23
2016 General Election
Clinton 42% Trump 41%
YouGov/Economist0 -
I was so expecting that cat to be a Kitler....foxinsoxuk said:Meanwhile in Southend a racist cat is causing house prices to drop...
http://southendnewsnetwork.com/news/southend-residents-terrified-of-uks-most-aggressive-cat/0 -
@Scott_P pasting Owen Jones articles and @Charles pasting Daily Mirror ones, truly we are in strange times.Charles said:
Someone's not telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth...TheScreamingEagles said:
Oh really?Richard_Tyndall said:
Compare and contrast with Cameron and Osborne refusing to plan for Brexit even though they claim it would bring about utter disaster.TheScreamingEagles said:Another Leaver planning for defeat
John Redwood: A vote to remain in the EU won’t be the last we hear of Brexit
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/25/vote-remain-eu-brexit-conservatives-leave?CMP=twt_gu
They really are completely unfit to govern.
George Osborne says Treasury is planning for Brexit
Chancellor says Bank of England and his department are doing ‘serious amount of contingency planning’ to maintain stability
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/11/george-osborne-says-treasury-is-planning-for-brexit
"That is contingency planning about financial market consequences rather than the policies that you would pursue if you were not a member of the EU," he said.
"The Bank of England has a statutory responsibility for financial stability.
"The government is not doing contingency panning for the policy consequences of a vote to leave."
Asked if there was even a plan to stop a short-term 'shock', the spokesman said once again: "We are not doing any contingency planning."
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/government-made-no-plans-brexit-79309470 -
Mandatory Johnny Hallyday? ( "the French Elvis")FrancisUrquhart said:
We also have the Netflix bollocks....I presume if they are going to do Netflix, next with be music streaming like Spotify etc.GIN1138 said:
And more generally it's something that in some ways is kind of trivial but just expresses the absurdity of the EU and our position within.FrancisUrquhart said:
The Mumsnet brigade will got nuttso if it is true.GIN1138 said:
The "intricacies" of VAT are one thing...But the Posh Boys promised they'd exempt Tampons from VAT and now it seems they can't even do that (even though we're in the middle of a referendum that might see us pull out of the EU)ThreeQuidder said:
There is, it's to do with whether a company can claim back the VAT it's paid on the goods it bought to produce the goods it sold. Zero rated it can, exempt it can't.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm reading contradictory things on twitter, some say the non rated items would appear on another list.Casino_Royale said:
Is this true?Luckyguy1983 said:
John Redwood absolutely excellent there.Tykejohnno said:Osborne HUMILIATED by Brussels: EU 'drops' agreement to exempt UK from tampon tax
GEORGE Osborne has been humiliated by European Union (EU) bureaucrats who have dropped his supposed agreement to exempt Britain from the punishing tampon tax, it has been claimed.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/673665/EU-referendum-George-Osborne-Brexit-tampon-tax-John-Redwood
I am an Express-sceptic.
There's a distinction between exempt items and zero rated items apparently.
I think.
If it "catches on" with the media it will look dreadful for REMAIN.
I imagine there's a lot of frantic phone calls into the Commission going on right now to try and shut this one down until after 23rd June.
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Nobody's said that?EPG said:
Now PB LEAVE is saying "tampon tax" will embody EU treason and betrayal and maybe even win the referendum
But come on, if true, it is pretty funny that the Posh Boys should get such a big "FU" from the Commission in the middle of the Referendum?
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It's the ground war.
Blow for Leave supporters as figures show Remain is winning the Brexit ground war
Pro-EU supporters target their campaigning in key areas while Brexiteers events are more randomly spread.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/7174697/Blow-for-Leave-supporters-as-figures-show-Remain-campaigners-are-winning-the-ground-war-in-the-Brexit-battle.html
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http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/c4ef44cc-226c-11e6-9d4d-c11776a5124d.html#ixzz49hrGGxXN
A fundamental contradiction at the heart of Vote Leave is becoming harder to ignore. The Brexiters demand that Britain should leave the EU so that sovereignty is returned to the British people. Yet they lose no opportunity to attack the credibility of the very public institutions which would exercise that sovereignty should the UK depart.
Four weeks before referendum day, there are signs that wavering voters are starting to recognise that the Leave side cannot mount a sustained case for the UK’s departure from the EU. Even if the Brexiters fail on June 23, however, their irresponsible campaign may leave a mark. Their tactics risk inflicting lasting damage on Britain’s democratic culture.
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LEAVE has been amateurish... I can't believe the polling is holding up so well for OUT to be fair.Tykejohnno said:It's the ground war.
Blow for Leave supporters as figures show Remain is winning the Brexit ground war
Pro-EU supporters target their campaigning in key areas while Brexiteers events are more randomly spread.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/7174697/Blow-for-Leave-supporters-as-figures-show-Remain-campaigners-are-winning-the-ground-war-in-the-Brexit-battle.html0 -
The equivalent would be making providers include 20% of EU content, not putting Johnny Halladay on every playlist. It wouldn't even be Rammstein, but could be classical content, or even the back catalogue of Depeche Mode.TCPoliticalBetting said:
Mandatory Johnny Hallyday? ( "the French Elvis")FrancisUrquhart said:
We also have the Netflix bollocks....I presume if they are going to do Netflix, next with be music streaming like Spotify etc.GIN1138 said:
And more generally it's something that in some ways is kind of trivial but just expresses the absurdity of the EU and our position within.FrancisUrquhart said:
The Mumsnet brigade will got nuttso if it is true.GIN1138 said:
The "intricacies" of VAT are one thing...But the Posh Boys promised they'd exempt Tampons from VAT and now it seems they can't even do that (even though we're in the middle of a referendum that might see us pull out of the EU)ThreeQuidder said:
There is, it's to do with whether a company can claim back the VAT it's paid on the goods it bought to produce the goods it sold. Zero rated it can, exempt it can't.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm reading contradictory things on twitter, some say the non rated items would appear on another list.Casino_Royale said:
Is this true?Luckyguy1983 said:
John Redwood absolutely excellent there.Tykejohnno said:Osborne HUMILIATED by Brussels: EU 'drops' agreement to exempt UK from tampon tax
GEORGE Osborne has been humiliated by European Union (EU) bureaucrats who have dropped his supposed agreement to exempt Britain from the punishing tampon tax, it has been claimed.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/673665/EU-referendum-George-Osborne-Brexit-tampon-tax-John-Redwood
I am an Express-sceptic.
There's a distinction between exempt items and zero rated items apparently.
I think.
If it "catches on" with the media it will look dreadful for REMAIN.
I imagine there's a lot of frantic phone calls into the Commission going on right now to try and shut this one down until after 23rd June.0 -
@SouthamObserver
Interesting, but not too surprising.
One thing that I can't get my head round is why so many people on this site are seemingly so fixated by trade deals. Looking around my study and just about everything in it, save the books and the pictures, has been manufactured in and imported from a country with which we do not have a free trade deal let alone are part of some single market. Even the wine I am drinking (Cook's Bay, a nice Sauvignon Blanc from New Zealand, and a snip at £6.50 a bottle - Frog stuff of equivalent quality would be two or three times the price).
Not being part of the single market or even having a free trade deal doesn't stop the exporters in Japan, South Korea, China, New Zealand or even bloody Australia selling their stuff to me at prices I am prepared to pay (much of it very reasonable in my view).
So why all this fuss about the Single Market of 500 million souls? If a company is producing something that someone else wants to buy at a price the customer is prepared to pay then they will make sales and the single market doesn't matter a hoot.0 -
I hope you aren't suggesting that Rammstein might be a bit crap ;-)foxinsoxuk said:
The equivalent would be making providers include 20% of EU content, not putting Johnny Halladay on every playlist. It wouldn't even be Rammstein, but could be classical content, or even the back catalogue of Depeche Mode.TCPoliticalBetting said:
Mandatory Johnny Hallyday? ( "the French Elvis")FrancisUrquhart said:
We also have the Netflix bollocks....I presume if they are going to do Netflix, next with be music streaming like Spotify etc.GIN1138 said:
And more generally it's something that in some ways is kind of trivial but just expresses the absurdity of the EU and our position within.FrancisUrquhart said:
The Mumsnet brigade will got nuttso if it is true.GIN1138 said:
The "intricacies" of VAT are one thing...But the Posh Boys promised they'd exempt Tampons from VAT and now it seems they can't even do that (even though we're in the middle of a referendum that might see us pull out of the EU)ThreeQuidder said:
There is, it's to do with whether a company can claim back the VAT it's paid on the goods it bought to produce the goods it sold. Zero rated it can, exempt it can't.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm reading contradictory things on twitter, some say the non rated items would appear on another list.Casino_Royale said:
Is this true?Luckyguy1983 said:
John Redwood absolutely excellent there.Tykejohnno said:Osborne HUMILIATED by Brussels: EU 'drops' agreement to exempt UK from tampon tax
GEORGE Osborne has been humiliated by European Union (EU) bureaucrats who have dropped his supposed agreement to exempt Britain from the punishing tampon tax, it has been claimed.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/673665/EU-referendum-George-Osborne-Brexit-tampon-tax-John-Redwood
I am an Express-sceptic.
There's a distinction between exempt items and zero rated items apparently.
I think.
If it "catches on" with the media it will look dreadful for REMAIN.
I imagine there's a lot of frantic phone calls into the Commission going on right now to try and shut this one down until after 23rd June.0 -
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I'd go along with that. I'm seeing signs of a nascent Trumpification of Britain, and Leave are to blame.Scott_P said:http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/c4ef44cc-226c-11e6-9d4d-c11776a5124d.html#ixzz49hrGGxXN
A fundamental contradiction at the heart of Vote Leave is becoming harder to ignore. The Brexiters demand that Britain should leave the EU so that sovereignty is returned to the British people. Yet they lose no opportunity to attack the credibility of the very public institutions which would exercise that sovereignty should the UK depart.
Four weeks before referendum day, there are signs that wavering voters are starting to recognise that the Leave side cannot mount a sustained case for the UK’s departure from the EU. Even if the Brexiters fail on June 23, however, their irresponsible campaign may leave a mark. Their tactics risk inflicting lasting damage on Britain’s democratic culture.0 -
Interesting.Tykejohnno said:It's the ground war.
Blow for Leave supporters as figures show Remain is winning the Brexit ground war
Pro-EU supporters target their campaigning in key areas while Brexiteers events are more randomly spread.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/7174697/Blow-for-Leave-supporters-as-figures-show-Remain-campaigners-are-winning-the-ground-war-in-the-Brexit-battle.html
The Sun also links to this:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/7174057/Alesha-Dixon-5ive-East-17-and-Sister-Sledge-pull-out-of-anti-EU-concert-after-finding-out-it-was-political-rally.html
The Times has followed a similar tone. I do wonder whether Murdoch has decided that he wants to back the winner again.0 -
Your only just seeing signs of it? It's been building for years... Certainly since the Credit Crunch and probably since Iraq.Stark_Dawning said:
I'm seeing signs of a nascent Trumpification of Britain, and Leave are to blame.Scott_P said:http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/c4ef44cc-226c-11e6-9d4d-c11776a5124d.html#ixzz49hrGGxXN
A fundamental contradiction at the heart of Vote Leave is becoming harder to ignore. The Brexiters demand that Britain should leave the EU so that sovereignty is returned to the British people. Yet they lose no opportunity to attack the credibility of the very public institutions which would exercise that sovereignty should the UK depart.
Four weeks before referendum day, there are signs that wavering voters are starting to recognise that the Leave side cannot mount a sustained case for the UK’s departure from the EU. Even if the Brexiters fail on June 23, however, their irresponsible campaign may leave a mark. Their tactics risk inflicting lasting damage on Britain’s democratic culture.
I'm sure the Establishment will hang on and keep the plebs in their place in the end but it's fun blowing raspberries at them anyway! 0 -
@iankatz1000: Khalid Mahmood says BME voters alienated by Vote Leave: "Rather than concentrating on race they shd hv concentrated on econ msg" #newsnight
Minorities put off by racist campaign. Wow, who saw that coming...0
