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SeanT said:

Philip_Thompson said:

SeanT said:

Scott_P said:

edmundintokyo said:

Tory voters seem to be prepared to follow their leadership. You have to wonder what British politics would look like if mainstream Tories had spent the last 25 years actually standing up for what they believed in instead of pretending to agree with the populist right.

Hugo Rifkind has a good article in The Times about what he calls "banter", by which he means politicians espousing views they don't really believe.

He predicts this referendum should see it's end

That will b boat has sailed.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/from-now-on-theres-no-room-for-tory-banter-lsctj5j76

He's just reiterating what I said yesterday. Following the inevitable REMAIN win, the REMAINIACS (most especially in the Tory party) will own the EU. Defending the EU will have to be their thing, what they do, their speciality and metier, after all - they persuaded us to STAY. So they will have to explain why an EU army, EU taxes, EU hatred of kettles and Queens is good. No more pretending to be a bit UKIPPY.

There's no getting round this. Every single shitty thing the EU does will be hung round their treacherous necks, like those signs they draped over shamed academics in the Chinese Cultural Revolution, just before they got kicked to death by the kids.

Except by the time of the next General Election the leading Remainer will already be gone come what may. Within a decade or so the rest of the leading Remainers will be gone too. Think who we still have left from leading figures of 2006 around today? Nearly nobody in the 2006 Cabinet is still in the Labour Cabinet today.

It means Osborne has no chance. He is hated.

And I finally understand. I hate them, too: I hate everyone who votes for this fucking piece of shit EU. I hate these quisling pigs. TSE, Nabavi. Meeks. Hate them.

The Tories are the worse. But I cordially despise every pb REMAINIAC, I loathe them for the traitors they are. I HATE THEM.

I surprise myself by the sincerity and fierceness of my emotion. I guess it touches something atavistic and primordial: nationalism, identity, tribality, macho basic hominid stuff. I have become a frenzied Cybernat. It's not nice. Indeed it is ugly. Horrible.

Either way, this is really what I feel. Hatred. I will never meet a known PB REMAINIAC in person, ever, for fear I will smash them in the head. They turned on their own country. They are traitors. My only wish is that their every hope is turned to dust, in time.

SeanT said:

Philip_Thompson said:

SeanT said:

Scott_P said:

edmundintokyo said:

Tory voters seem to be prepared to follow their leadership. You have to wonder what British politics would look like if mainstream Tories had spent the last 25 years actually standing up for what they believed in instead of pretending to agree with the populist right.

Hugo Rifkind has a good article in The Times about what he calls "banter", by which he means politicians espousing views they don't really believe.

He predicts this referendum should see it's end

That will b boat has sailed.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/from-now-on-theres-no-room-for-tory-banter-lsctj5j76

He's just reiterating what I said yesterday. Following the inevitable REMAIN win, the REMAINIACS (most especially in the Tory party) will own the EU. Defending the EU will have to be their thing, what they do, their speciality and metier, after all - they persuaded us to STAY. So they will have to explain why an EU army, EU taxes, EU hatred of kettles and Queens is good. No more pretending to be a bit UKIPPY.

There's no getting round this. Every single shitty thing the EU does will be hung round their treacherous necks, like those signs they draped over shamed academics in the Chinese Cultural Revolution, just before they got kicked to death by the kids.

Except by the time of the next General Election the leading Remainer will already be gone come what may. Within a decade or so the rest of the leading Remainers will be gone too. Think who we still have left from leading figures of 2006 around today? Nearly nobody in the 2006 Cabinet is still in the Labour Cabinet today.

It means Osborne has no chance. He is hated.

And I finally understand. I hate them, too: I hate everyone who votes for this fucking piece of shit EU. I hate these quisling pigs. TSE, Nabavi. Meeks. Hate them.

The Tories are the worse. But I cordially despise every pb REMAINIAC, I loathe them for the traitors they are. I HATE THEM.

I surprise myself by the sincerity and fierceness of my emotion. I guess it touches something atavistic and primordial: nationalism, identity, tribality, macho basic hominid stuff. I have become a frenzied Cybernat. It's not nice. Indeed it is ugly. Horrible.

Either way, this is really what I feel. Hatred. I will never meet a known PB REMAINIAC in person, ever, for fear I will smash them in the head. They turned on their own country. They are traitors. My only wish is that their every hope is turned to dust, in time.

SeanT said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

SeanT said:

Philip_Thompson said:

SeanT said:

Scott_P said:

edmundintokyo said:

Tory voters seem to be prepared to follow their leadership. You have to wonder what British politics would look like if mainstream Tories had spent the last 25 years actually standing up for what they believed in instead of pretending to agree with the populist right.

Hugo Rifkind has a good article in The Times about what he calls "banter", by which he means politicians espousing views they don't really believe.

He predicts this referendum should see it's end

That will b boat has sailed.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/from-now-on-theres-no-room-for-tory-banter-lsctj5j76

He's just reiterating what I said yesterday. Following the inevitable REMAIN win, the REMAINIACS (most especially in the Tory party) will own the EU. Defending the EU will have to be their thing, what they do, their speciality and metier, after all - they persuaded us to STAY. So they will have to explain why an EU army, EU taxes, EU hatred of kettles and Queens is good. No more pretending to be a bit UKIPPY.

There's no getting round this. Every single shitty thing the EU does will be hung round their treacherous necks, like those signs they draped over shamed academics in the Chinese Cultural Revolution, just before they got kicked to death by the kids.

Except by the time of the next General Election the leading Remainer will already be gone come what may. Within a decade or so the rest of the leading Remainers will be gone too. Think who we still have left from leading figures of 2006 around today? Nearly nobody in the 2006 Cabinet is still in the Labour Cabinet today.

It means Osborne has no chance. He is hated.

If you feel this passionate about it, why aren't you out campaigning for Leave?

I mean as per your analogy, if you're not campaigning for Leave, you're in fact a Quisling collaborator.

You're a traitor.

SeanT said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

SeanT said:

Philip_Thompson said:

SeanT said:

Scott_P said:

edmundintokyo said:

Tory voters seem to be prepared to follow their leadership. You have to wonder what British politics would look like if mainstream Tories had spent the last 25 years actually standing up for what they believed in instead of pretending to agree with the populist right.

Hugo Rifkind has a good article in The Times about what he calls "banter", by which he means politicians espousing views they don't really believe.

He predicts this referendum should see it's end

That will b boat has sailed.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/from-now-on-theres-no-room-for-tory-banter-lsctj5j76

He's just reiterating what I said yesterday. Following the inevitable REMAIN win, the REMAINIACS (most especially in the Tory party) will own the EU. Defending the EU will have to be their thing, what they do, their speciality and metier, after all - they persuaded us to STAY. So they will have to explain why an EU army, EU taxes, EU hatred of kettles and Queens is good. No more pretending to be a bit UKIPPY.

There's no getting round this. Every single shitty thing the EU does will be hung round their treacherous necks, like those signs they draped over shamed academics in the Chinese Cultural Revolution, just before they got kicked to death by the kids.

Except by the time of the next General Election the leading Remainer will already be gone come what may. Within a decade or so the rest of the leading Remainers will be gone too. Think who we still have left from leading figures of 2006 around today? Nearly nobody in the 2006 Cabinet is still in the Labour Cabinet today.

It means Osborne has no chance. He is hated.

If you feel this passionate about it, why aren't you out campaigning for Leave?

I mean as per your analogy, if you're not campaigning for Leave, you're in fact a Quisling collaborator.

You're a traitor.

SeanT said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

SeanT said:

Philip_Thompson said:

SeanT said:

Scott_P said:

edmundintokyo said:

Tory voters seem to be prepared to follow their leadership. You have to wonder what British politics would look like if mainstream Tories had spent the last 25 years actually standing up for what they believed in instead of pretending to agree with the populist right.

Hugo Rifkind has a good article in The Times about what he calls "banter", by which he means politicians espousing views they don't really believe.

He predicts this referendum should see it's end

That will b boat has sailed.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/from-now-on-theres-no-room-for-tory-banter-lsctj5j76

He's just reiterating what I said yesterday. Following the inevitable REMAIN win, the REMAINIACS (most especially in the Tory party) will own the EU. Defending the EU will have to be their thing, what they do, their speciality and metier, after all - they persuaded us to STAY. So they will have to explain why an EU army, EU taxes, EU hatred of kettles and Queens is good. No more pretending to be a bit UKIPPY.

There's no getting round this. Every single shitty thing the EU does will be hung round their treacherous necks, like those signs they draped over shamed academics in the Chinese Cultural Revolution, just before they got kicked to death by the kids.

Except by the time of the next General Election the leading Remainer will already be gone come what may. Within a decade or so the rest of the leading Remainers will be gone too. Think who we still have left from leading figures of 2006 around today? Nearly nobody in the 2006 Cabinet is still in the Labour Cabinet today.

It means Osborne has no chance. He is hated.

If you feel this passionate about it, why aren't you out campaigning for Leave?

I mean as per your analogy, if you're not campaigning for Leave, you're in fact a Quisling collaborator.

You're a traitor.

Richard_Tyndall said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

BenedictWhite said:

It keeps limping on. Like a wounded animal. With no vet to put it down. Left to die a long horrible death.

And yet the Leavers assure us that there will be ever-closer union whereby the Eurozone countries will be able to gang up, integrate further, and boss us around whether we like it or not.

It is the only way the Eurozone will be able to survive. They have always found a political solution to what appear to be insurmountable problems. Indeed they use seemingly insurmountable problems as an excuse for more political union. This time will be no different, except of course that the political solution will have to be more drastic because the economic problems are so severe.

SeanT said:

I have 3800 Twitter followers. I canvass them, every day. I am writing a few eurosceptic pieces for the Spectator. I do my limited best.

But most of all I am voting LEAVE, even though it will financially hurt me, if LEAVE wins. Why? Because, unlike you, I am not a fatted sow, wallowing in the faeces of my own selfishness. Unlike you, I will not betray my beloved country. Unlike you, I could not live with myself.

NickPalmer said:

Good article, Don. Jeremy is actually not often in hate-the-past mode (unlike some of his supporters), but it'd be good if he highlighted the things he agreed with.

Thought experiment: if the legion of Tories here who declare that they're disgusted with the Government, will never vote for them again, think they're lying gits, etc., had the 2015 eleciton over again, how many of them would vote for Miliband instead?

GIN, maybe? - not sure if others would.

GIN1138 said:

david_herdson said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

BenedictWhite said:

It keeps limping on. Like a wounded animal. With no vet to put it down. Left to die a long horrible death.

And yet the Leavers assure us that there will be ever-closer union whereby the Eurozone countries will be able to gang up, integrate further, and boss us around whether we like it or not.

It is the only way the Eurozone will be able to survive. They have always found a political solution to what appear to be insurmountable problems. Indeed they use seemingly insurmountable problems as an excuse for more political union. This time will be no different, except of course that the political solution will have to be more drastic because the economic problems are so severe.

And that's the leverage that the UK needs to write Cameron's deal - and potentially more besides - into Treaty law. The EZ countries will accept a formalised semi-detached relationship for Britain, Denmark and possibly others if the quid pro quo is that they get the political tools they need.

LOL! You don't actually think the minor concessions Cameron achieved in the negotiation will ever go anywhere after the referendum do you?

Cameron isn't serious in the slightest about any of this. A form "semi-detached" relationship between the UK and EU for Britain? You're having a laugh.

Within six months it'll back to business as usual, I.E. more "integration" for the UK and as we'll have voted to REMAIN we'll just have to shut up and do what we're told.

BenedictWhite said:

What does OGH stand for?

david_herdson said:

GIN1138 said:

david_herdson said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

BenedictWhite said:

It keeps limping on. Like a wounded animal. With no vet to put it down. Left to die a long horrible death.

And yet the Leavers assure us that there will be ever-closer union whereby the Eurozone countries will be able to gang up, integrate further, and boss us around whether we like it or not.

It is the only way the Eurozone will be able to survive. They have always found a political solution to what appear to be insurmountable problems. Indeed they use seemingly insurmountable problems as an excuse for more political union. This time will be no different, except of course that the political solution will have to be more drastic because the economic problems are so severe.

And that's the leverage that the UK needs to write Cameron's deal - and potentially more besides - into Treaty law. The EZ countries will accept a formalised semi-detached relationship for Britain, Denmark and possibly others if the quid pro quo is that they get the political tools they need.

LOL! You don't actually think the minor concessions Cameron achieved in the negotiation will ever go anywhere after the referendum do you?

Cameron isn't serious in the slightest about any of this. A form "semi-detached" relationship between the UK and EU for Britain? You're having a laugh.

Within six months it'll back to business as usual, I.E. more "integration" for the UK and as we'll have voted to REMAIN we'll just have to shut up and do what we're told.

Cameron's authority within the Tory Party is shot. What he wants is largely beside the point. But if the EZ needs more institutional power then it needs a treaty, and if it needs a treaty then we have a veto. Besides, I can't believe that the EU actually want us whinging all the time - wouldn't it just be easier all round just to give us our own room to play in?

Actually, these next five years could see a major change in EU thinking. Not a voluntary one from the likes of Juncker but one forced on them by the national politicians under threat from the likes of FPO, FN, AfD and so on.

chestnut said:

BenedictWhite said:

What does OGH stand for?

Our genial host.

BenedictWhite said:

david_herdson said:

GIN1138 said:

david_herdson said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

BenedictWhite said:

It keeps limping on. Like a wounded animal. With no vet to put it down. Left to die a long horrible death.

And yet the Leavers assure us that there will be ever-closer union whereby the Eurozone countries will be able to gang up, integrate further, and boss us around whether we like it or not.

It is the only way the Eurozone will be able to survive. They have always found a political solution to what appear to be insurmountable problems. Indeed they use seemingly insurmountable problems as an excuse for more political union. This time will be no different, except of course that the political solution will have to be more drastic because the economic problems are so severe.

And that's the leverage that the UK needs to write Cameron's deal - and potentially more besides - into Treaty law. The EZ countries will accept a formalised semi-detached relationship for Britain, Denmark and possibly others if the quid pro quo is that they get the political tools they need.

LOL! You don't actually think the minor concessions Cameron achieved in the negotiation will ever go anywhere after the referendum do you?

Cameron isn't serious in the slightest about any of this. A form "semi-detached" relationship between the UK and EU for Britain? You're having a laugh.

Within six months it'll back to business as usual, I.E. more "integration" for the UK and as we'll have voted to REMAIN we'll just have to shut up and do what we're told.

Cameron's authority within the Tory Party is shot. What he wants is largely beside the point. But if the EZ needs more institutional power then it needs a treaty, and if it needs a treaty then we have a veto. Besides, I can't believe that the EU actually want us whinging all the time - wouldn't it just be easier all round just to give us our own room to play in?

Actually, these next five years could see a major change in EU thinking. Not a voluntary one from the likes of Juncker but one forced on them by the national politicians under threat from the likes of FPO, FN, AfD and so on.

The problem here is that the likes of Juncker et al just don't give a sh!t about democracy. They will keep ploughing their own furrow with the leavers of EU power they have.

No, they don't. But those levers get quite sticky without the consent of the national politicians and particularly the French and Germans.

BenedictWhite said:

What does OGH stand for?

Philip_Thompson said:

HYUFD said:

NickPalmer said:

Good article, Don. Jeremy is actually not often in hate-the-past mode (unlike some of his supporters), but it'd be good if he highlighted the things he agreed with.

Thought experiment: if the legion of Tories here who declare that they're disgusted with the Government, will never vote for them again, think they're lying gits, etc., had the 2015 eleciton over again, how many of them would vote for Miliband instead?

GIN, maybe? - not sure if others would.

Few, UKIP on the other hand much more likely, the EU is Cameron's Iraq moment with UKIP being Tories' party of protest as the LDs were for Labour voters

The difference is that the Lib Dems surged to gaining 11 net extra seats in 2005 from those protest votes (though it lost 5 then in 2010 and let's not even mention 2015) whereas there's slim to nil chance of UKIP winning 11 extra seats in 2020.

BenedictWhite said:

Philip_Thompson said:

HYUFD said:

NickPalmer said:

Good article, Don. Jeremy is actually not often in hate-the-past mode (unlike some of his supporters), but it'd be good if he highlighted the things he agreed with.

Thought experiment: if the legion of Tories here who declare that they're disgusted with the Government, will never vote for them again, think they're lying gits, etc., had the 2015 eleciton over again, how many of them would vote for Miliband instead?

GIN, maybe? - not sure if others would.

Few, UKIP on the other hand much more likely, the EU is Cameron's Iraq moment with UKIP being Tories' party of protest as the LDs were for Labour voters

The difference is that the Lib Dems surged to gaining 11 net extra seats in 2005 from those protest votes (though it lost 5 then in 2010 and let's not even mention 2015) whereas there's slim to nil chance of UKIP winning 11 extra seats in 2020.

Thing is though they get to know where their support is and could try to do an SNP.

BenedictWhite said:

RobC said:

Tonight's Newsnight exposed why the theory that DKs will back remain is probably correct. At the end of their three part series the panel split 7-1 in favour of Remain. They admitted though that they still didn't fully grasp all the arguments. However the default position that these voters will therefore play safe was born out.

True to a point but they hard a hard grilling tonight from remain with a fairly ineffective leave panel. May work out that way but we will see.

dugarbandier said:

CarlottaVance said:

SNP 'logic'

Hosie resignation from Deputy Leader of Party: 'Right decision'

Hosie non-resignation from Deputy Leader of Westminster MPs:'We've moved on'

Stewart has been a great deputy leader of the SNP, and I am sorry he will not be deputy leader after our conference in the autumn.
"But he has taken a decision that in the interests of his family and his health it is right that he steps down, and I support him in that decision. I think in all the circumstances he is making the right decision."
Asked if Mr Hosie should also stand down from his Westminster role, Ms Sturgeon said: "I don't think that's the case.
"I think we've moved on and moved on quite some distance from the sense that personal issues, issues relating to someone's private marriage and private life necessarily affect someone's ability to do their job."

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36357454

it's 2016. Does anyone really care about this tawdry affair?

NickPalmer said:

LewisDuckworth said:

My mother is 94 and has indicated that she would be inoutcome oto vote Remain .... But, she'd need my help to vote (she's frail and almost blind) and no way will I support her voting. My theory is that her calculating mind is worried that Brexit might affect her various state pensions/Attendance Allowance/Full Council Tax Rebate. So, she won't vote.

Really? I've helped disabled Tories to vote - I think that if people want to, they should be helped to take part if needed. The probability that the outcome is a Remain majority of 1 is negligible, the probability that you'll give your mum some pleasure reasonably high.

TheScreamingEagles said:

SeanT said:

You're a traitor. I say this more in disappointment than in anger. Most immigrants, as has oft been observed, display unusual and conspicuous loyalty.

Ah, going for the BNP/Britain First line eh.

Good night you soaked up popinjay.

dugarbandier said:

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/boris-calls-egg-wielding-protester-121641131.html

that's odd.

williamglenn said:

Trump's latest attack ad doesn't pull any punches.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwTioiGhQj/

GIN1138 said:

That's a tough one, If I'd known how Cameron's "renegotiation" was going to turn out I certainly wouldn't have voted for him...

Would I have voted for Miliband or just done what I did in 2001 and sit it out. I'm not sure?

Philip_Thompson said:

HYUFD said:

NickPalmer said:

Good article, Don. Jeremy is actually not often in hate-the-past mode (unlike some of his supporters), but it'd be good if he highlighted the things he agreed with.

Thought experiment: if the legion of Tories here who declare that they're disgusted with the Government, will never vote for them again, think they're lying gits, etc., had the 2015 eleciton over again, how many of them would vote for Miliband instead?

GIN, maybe? - not sure if others would.

Few, UKIP on the other hand much more likely, the EU is Cameron's Iraq moment with UKIP being Tories' party of protest as the LDs were for Labour voters

The difference is that the Lib Dems surged to gaining 11 net extra seats in 2005 from those protest votes (though it lost 5 then in 2010 and let's not even mention 2015) whereas there's slim to nil chance of UKIP winning 11 extra seats in 2020.

Philip_Thompson said:

HYUFD said:

NickPalmer said:

Good article, Don. Jeremy is actually not often in hate-the-past mode (unlike some of his supporters), but it'd be good if he highlighted the things he agreed with.

Thought experiment: if the legion of Tories here who declare that they're disgusted with the Government, will never vote for them again, think they're lying gits, etc., had the 2015 eleciton over again, how many of them would vote for Miliband instead?

GIN, maybe? - not sure if others would.

Few, UKIP on the other hand much more likely, the EU is Cameron's Iraq moment with UKIP being Tories' party of protest as the LDs were for Labour voters

The difference is that the Lib Dems surged to gaining 11 net extra seats in 2005 from those protest votes (though it lost 5 then in 2010 and let's not even mention 2015) whereas there's slim to nil chance of UKIP winning 11 extra seats in 2020.