My mother is 94 and has indicated that she would be inclined to vote Remain .... But, she'd need my help to vote (she's frail and almost blind) and no way will I support her voting. My theory is that her calculating mind is worried that Brexit might affect her various state pensions/Attendance Allowance/Full Council Tax Rebate. So, she won't vote.
I remember that Ceausescu speech... Then they started laughing....And then you knew it was over.
Makes me feel old reading this. That speech happened on my 19th birthday.
I was 11 when that happened, you old git
Yes, and nature hadn't forced me to follow OGH on the hair style front then either. Things is different these days.
Today I officially felt old today, I had to explain who MacGyver was to one of my staff today. They had never heard of MacGyver before, They are 18, it dawned on me they were born after Labour's victory in 1997.
And they're like 'yeah, yeah' That sort of thing only gets worse.
I went for a medical before Christmas. The nurse asked my date of birth and noted that I'd just had my birthday, had I done anything nice? Well actually, I said, I'd been due to see New Order but hadn't been able to go.
"Who are New Order?"
"You will have heard their biggest track Blue Monday, even if you don't recognise the name of the track, it's played eveywhere. It was the biggest selling 12" ever."
"What's a 12"?"
At that point I quit when I was behind.
New Order are headlining at Latitude Festival in July, so still time to catch them. I saw them at Glastonbury in 1987. Latitude is pretty chilled, lots of Guardian readers.
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Would it be suitable to take my 8 and 6 year old children?
The National are playing, and they are AWESOME
The family camping has decent loos, and even showers. It is close to the Festival site and quite civilised. Fox jr started festivalling at that age and loves it, though returning to the tent to chill and change at that age is a good idea.
In front of the main stage there are plenty of families spread about on blankets.
My mother is 94 and has indicated that she would be inclined to vote Remain .... But, she'd need my help to vote (she's frail and almost blind) and no way will I support her voting. My theory is that her calculating mind is worried that Brexit might affect her various state pensions/Attendance Allowance/Full Council Tax Rebate. So, she won't vote.
My mother is 94 and has indicated that she would be inclined to vote Remain .... But, she'd need my help to vote (she's frail and almost blind) and no way will I support her voting. My theory is that her calculating mind is worried that Brexit might affect her various state pensions/Attendance Allowance/Full Council Tax Rebate. So, she won't vote.
The large and enthusiastic gathering heard Corbyn’s signature line “austerity is a political choice not a necessity” endorsed by the Cambridge based Korean economist Ha-Joon Chang who for many was the star of the day. He said “No sensible economist agrees with the way the Conservatives are handling the economy at the moment, so I hope this conference will play a major part in developing Labour’s alternative plans for a more dynamic, fairer, and more sustainable economy”.
So, no "sensible" economist agrees with Osborne, but "serious" economists do?
My mother is 94 and has indicated that she would be inclined to vote Remain .... But, she'd need my help to vote (she's frail and almost blind) and no way will I support her voting. My theory is that her calculating mind is worried that Brexit might affect her various state pensions/Attendance Allowance/Full Council Tax Rebate. So, she won't vote.
I don't know if you are being serious but if you are the way you speak about your mother is repellant.
If Remain do win this by the scale the phone polls suggests, then Boris loses his star quality.
For time short term yes, but who knows how the ground will lay in 2-3 years...
Boris will have to be the best Northern Ireland Secretary in history for that to happen.
I would have thought Boris will go to the backbenches and wait and see how the EU gets on over the next 2-3 years.
Essentially you europhiles are putting all your eggs into one basket - That the collection of losers and odd balls that run the EU like Mr Juncker are actually going to make a success of the EU and the Euro. That the whole thing won't implode and take us over the precipice with it...
Maybe you will be right... But maybe you won't. If you aren't then Boris's star will rise when he is able to say "I told you so"
My mother is 94 and has indicated that she would be inclined to vote Remain .... But, she'd need my help to vote (she's frail and almost blind) and no way will I support her voting. My theory is that her calculating mind is worried that Brexit might affect her various state pensions/Attendance Allowance/Full Council Tax Rebate. So, she won't vote.
Politics aside, you're a horrible person.
I'm not somehow missing a joke here am I? Denying someone the vote like that is utterly heinous.
My mother is 94 and has indicated that she would be inclined to vote Remain .... But, she'd need my help to vote (she's frail and almost blind) and no way will I support her voting. My theory is that her calculating mind is worried that Brexit might affect her various state pensions/Attendance Allowance/Full Council Tax Rebate. So, she won't vote.
Politics aside, you're a horrible person.
I'm not somehow missing a joke here am I? Denying someone the vote like that is utterly heinous.
My mother is 94 and has indicated that she would be inclined to vote Remain .... But, she'd need my help to vote (she's frail and almost blind) and no way will I support her voting. My theory is that her calculating mind is worried that Brexit might affect her various state pensions/Attendance Allowance/Full Council Tax Rebate. So, she won't vote.
Politics aside, you're a horrible person.
How many years of care have you given your parents?
My mother is 94 and has indicated that she would be inclined to vote Remain .... But, she'd need my help to vote (she's frail and almost blind) and no way will I support her voting. My theory is that her calculating mind is worried that Brexit might affect her various state pensions/Attendance Allowance/Full Council Tax Rebate. So, she won't vote.
Politics aside, you're a horrible person.
I'm not somehow missing a joke here am I? Denying someone the vote like that is utterly heinous.
"Her calculating mind"...
Think I might just vote Remain for his mother's sake!
My mother is 94 and has indicated that she would be inclined to vote Remain .... But, she'd need my help to vote (she's frail and almost blind) and no way will I support her voting. My theory is that her calculating mind is worried that Brexit might affect her various state pensions/Attendance Allowance/Full Council Tax Rebate. So, she won't vote.
Politics aside, you're a horrible person.
How many years of care have you given your parents?
Somehow that gives you the right to decide if she votes or not?
My mother is 94 and has indicated that she would be inclined to vote Remain .... But, she'd need my help to vote (she's frail and almost blind) and no way will I support her voting. My theory is that her calculating mind is worried that Brexit might affect her various state pensions/Attendance Allowance/Full Council Tax Rebate. So, she won't vote.
Politics aside, you're a horrible person.
I'm not somehow missing a joke here am I? Denying someone the vote like that is utterly heinous.
"Her calculating mind"...
Think I might just vote Remain for his mother's sake!
My mother is 94 and has indicated that she would be inclined to vote Remain .... But, she'd need my help to vote (she's frail and almost blind) and no way will I support her voting. My theory is that her calculating mind is worried that Brexit might affect her various state pensions/Attendance Allowance/Full Council Tax Rebate. So, she won't vote.
Politics aside, you're a horrible person.
I'm not somehow missing a joke here am I? Denying someone the vote like that is utterly heinous.
"Her calculating mind"...
Think I might just vote Remain for his mother's sake!
I'm quite happy to be your proxy
Not to worry, I've already arranged a postal ballot! I am genuinely undecided though (try and suppress those guffaws chaps)...
If Remain do win this by the scale the phone polls suggests, then Boris loses his star quality.
For time short term yes, but who knows how the ground will lay in 2-3 years...
Boris will have to be the best Northern Ireland Secretary in history for that to happen.
Boris would have to be mad to accept the NI role. Much better to sit on the back benches and bang out the odd piece in the Telegraph. (assuming Remain win of course)
I think that we have now reached that point in Post Modern Politics where people are taking the mickey out of people taking the mickey out of scare stories.
This link was posted by a Corbynista/Green friend of mine on Facebook:
So 'Cambridge based Korean economist Ha-Joon Chang who for many was the star of the day' told lefties what they wanted to hear.
Welcome to the economist sceptics club, Mr. Nabavi!
There are economists and economists...
Of course they are all wrong. However, the problem is you can't assume they are all wrong in the direction you want. It might be worse than they think.
My mother is 94 and has indicated that she would be inclined to vote Remain .... But, she'd need my help to vote (she's frail and almost blind) and no way will I support her voting. My theory is that her calculating mind is worried that Brexit might affect her various state pensions/Attendance Allowance/Full Council Tax Rebate. So, she won't vote.
My mother is 94 and has indicated that she would be inclined to vote Remain .... But, she'd need my help to vote (she's frail and almost blind) and no way will I support her voting. My theory is that her calculating mind is worried that Brexit might affect her various state pensions/Attendance Allowance/Full Council Tax Rebate. So, she won't vote.
Politics aside, you're a horrible person.
I'm not somehow missing a joke here am I? Denying someone the vote like that is utterly heinous.
"Her calculating mind"...
Think I might just vote Remain for his mother's sake!
I'm quite happy to be your proxy
Not to worry, I've already arranged a postal ballot! I am genuinely undecided though (try and suppress those guffaws chaps)...
A PB first, we have a floating/undecided voter on PB
My mother is 94 and has indicated that she would be inclined to vote Remain .... But, she'd need my help to vote (she's frail and almost blind) and no way will I support her voting. My theory is that her calculating mind is worried that Brexit might affect her various state pensions/Attendance Allowance/Full Council Tax Rebate. So, she won't vote.
I hope that this isn't a serious comment.
What, you expect me to drive 235 miles on 23 June and take her to the Polling Station?
If Remain do win this by the scale the phone polls suggests, then Boris loses his star quality.
For time short term yes, but who knows how the ground will lay in 2-3 years...
Boris will have to be the best Northern Ireland Secretary in history for that to happen.
Boris would have to be mad to accept the NI role. Much better to sit on the back benches and bang out the odd piece in the Telegraph. (assuming Remain win of course)
If Remain wins, he's reportedly getting either, Health, Education or BIS
My mother is 94 and has indicated that she would be inclined to vote Remain .... But, she'd need my help to vote (she's frail and almost blind) and no way will I support her voting. My theory is that her calculating mind is worried that Brexit might affect her various state pensions/Attendance Allowance/Full Council Tax Rebate. So, she won't vote.
Politics aside, you're a horrible person.
I'm not somehow missing a joke here am I? Denying someone the vote like that is utterly heinous.
"Her calculating mind"...
Think I might just vote Remain for his mother's sake!
I'm quite happy to be your proxy
Not to worry, I've already arranged a postal ballot! I am genuinely undecided though (try and suppress those guffaws chaps)...
A PB first, we have a floating/undecided voter on PB
I'm a floating voter, I have voted UKIP, LibDem, Labour and Tory within the last 8 years.
My mother is 94 and has indicated that she would be inclined to vote Remain .... But, she'd need my help to vote (she's frail and almost blind) and no way will I support her voting. My theory is that her calculating mind is worried that Brexit might affect her various state pensions/Attendance Allowance/Full Council Tax Rebate. So, she won't vote.
I hope that this isn't a serious comment.
What, you expect me to drive 235 miles on 23 June and take her to the Polling Station?
The least you could do is make sure she's aware of who to get in touch with if she does want to exercise her right to vote. I'd be surprised if the council didn't offer a scheme to assist older voters. If not, either campaign should know how to help or who to contact in situations like these.
Slightly confused about this ORB poll. If, as they say, Men and older voters are moving towards Remain then who is moving the other way to have produced a closure in the gap by 2 points?
Guido's not that great at investigations though. They had an investigation into racism in political parties a while back, but couldn't find a single Tory to report on...
My mother is 94 and has indicated that she would be inclined to vote Remain .... But, she'd need my help to vote (she's frail and almost blind) and no way will I support her voting. My theory is that her calculating mind is worried that Brexit might affect her various state pensions/Attendance Allowance/Full Council Tax Rebate. So, she won't vote.
Politics aside, you're a horrible person.
I'm not somehow missing a joke here am I? Denying someone the vote like that is utterly heinous.
"Her calculating mind"...
Think I might just vote Remain for his mother's sake!
I'm quite happy to be your proxy
Not to worry, I've already arranged a postal ballot! I am genuinely undecided though (try and suppress those guffaws chaps)...
A PB first, we have a floating/undecided voter on PB
There are lots of floating voters here. We cater to both factions: Leave.EU and vote.leave.
Slightly confused about this ORB poll. If, as they say, Men and older voters are moving towards Remain then who is moving the other way to have produced a closure in the gap by 2 points?
It's the certainty to vote filter.
Remain is seeing a swing to them among all voters.
Guido's not that great at investigations though. They had an investigation into racism in political parties a while back, but couldn't find a single Tory to report on...
If Remain do win this by the scale the phone polls suggests, then Boris loses his star quality.
For time short term yes, but who knows how the ground will lay in 2-3 years...
Boris will have to be the best Northern Ireland Secretary in history for that to happen.
Boris would have to be mad to accept the NI role. Much better to sit on the back benches and bang out the odd piece in the Telegraph. (assuming Remain win of course)
If Remain wins, he's reportedly getting either, Health, Education or BIS
Reportedly according to who?
At the moment, I suspect that there's a maximum of one person who knows, and quite possibly not even that many.
Given his attention to detail, I suspect that Health or Education would not be a good fit - though where would be? DCLG?
I'm convinced at some point the Eurozone will effectively go bust...
Just over 20% of the world's money is held in € !
Who knows the remaining 80% might shortly see its purchasing power increase by 1/4 then...
Reports of the death of the Euro appear every few months, yet it goes on and on. Perhaps the economists predicting its downfall are no better than the rest of them!
My mother is 94 and has indicated that she would be inclined to vote Remain .... But, she'd need my help to vote (she's frail and almost blind) and no way will I support her voting. My theory is that her calculating mind is worried that Brexit might affect her various state pensions/Attendance Allowance/Full Council Tax Rebate. So, she won't vote.
I hope that this isn't a serious comment.
What, you expect me to drive 235 miles on 23 June and take her to the Polling Station?
Then there's still time to arrange a postal vote. I want leave to win as much as anyone, but seriously take a look at yourself if your original comment was accurate,
My mother is 94 and has indicated that she would be inclined to vote Remain .... But, she'd need my help to vote (she's frail and almost blind) and no way will I support her voting. My theory is that her calculating mind is worried that Brexit might affect her various state pensions/Attendance Allowance/Full Council Tax Rebate. So, she won't vote.
Politics aside, you're a horrible person.
I'm not somehow missing a joke here am I? Denying someone the vote like that is utterly heinous.
"Her calculating mind"...
Think I might just vote Remain for his mother's sake!
I'm quite happy to be your proxy
Not to worry, I've already arranged a postal ballot! I am genuinely undecided though (try and suppress those guffaws chaps)...
A PB first, we have a floating/undecided voter on PB
Although I do keep up with politics with quite zealously, I probably miss out on a lot by not actually being in the country (although, as I like to add, probably coming back soon). Still feel a bit naughty voting while not a resident though...
BIS I reckon, has a lot of foreign trips to keep Boris out of the country, and Sajid Javid has been a bit of a let down.
Too right he has. He's supposed to be driving deregulation throughout government. I have to say I'm not exactly overwhelmed with the progress, and on the one occasion I wrote to him to propose a cost-free, completely uncontroversial, piece of deregulation, I didn't get an answer. Though it pains me to say it, because I had hopes that he'd be quite good, he's turned to be completely useless.
Not sure Boris would be any better, mind. To the extent that this job needs to exist at all, it requires detailed grunt work and a lot of chivvying along to overcome inertia and vested interests.
If Remain do win this by the scale the phone polls suggests, then Boris loses his star quality.
For time short term yes, but who knows how the ground will lay in 2-3 years...
Boris will have to be the best Northern Ireland Secretary in history for that to happen.
Boris would have to be mad to accept the NI role. Much better to sit on the back benches and bang out the odd piece in the Telegraph. (assuming Remain win of course)
If Remain wins, he's reportedly getting either, Health, Education or BIS
He would still be mad to accept any of those. Don't dance to Cameron's tune.
My mother is 94 and has indicated that she would be inclined to vote Remain .... But, she'd need my help to vote (she's frail and almost blind) and no way will I support her voting. My theory is that her calculating mind is worried that Brexit might affect her various state pensions/Attendance Allowance/Full Council Tax Rebate. So, she won't vote.
Politics aside, you're a horrible person.
I'm not somehow missing a joke here am I? Denying someone the vote like that is utterly heinous.
"Her calculating mind"...
Think I might just vote Remain for his mother's sake!
I'm quite happy to be your proxy
Not to worry, I've already arranged a postal ballot! I am genuinely undecided though (try and suppress those guffaws chaps)...
A PB first, we have a floating/undecided voter on PB
Although I do keep up with politics with quite zealously, I probably miss out on a lot by not actually being in the country (although, as I like to add, probably coming back soon). Still feel a bit naughty voting while not a resident though...
You're British, you've lived in the UK, you're planning on living in the UK in the future, you have a right to participate in this country's future, you wouldn't be breaking the law or the spirit of the law by voting.
I'm convinced at some point the Eurozone will effectively go bust...
Just over 20% of the world's money is held in € !
Who knows the remaining 80% might shortly see its purchasing power increase by 1/4 then...
Reports of the death of the Euro appear every few months, yet it goes on and on. Perhaps the economists predicting its downfall are no better than the rest of them!
It keeps limping on. Like a wounded animal. With no vet to put it down. Left to die a long horrible death.
My mother is 94 and has indicated that she would be inclined to vote Remain .... But, she'd need my help to vote (she's frail and almost blind) and no way will I support her voting. My theory is that her calculating mind is worried that Brexit might affect her various state pensions/Attendance Allowance/Full Council Tax Rebate. So, she won't vote.
Politics aside, you're a horrible person.
I'm not somehow missing a joke here am I? Denying someone the vote like that is utterly heinous.
"Her calculating mind"...
Think I might just vote Remain for his mother's sake!
I'm quite happy to be your proxy
Not to worry, I've already arranged a postal ballot! I am genuinely undecided though (try and suppress those guffaws chaps)...
A PB first, we have a floating/undecided voter on PB
Although I do keep up with politics with quite zealously, I probably miss out on a lot by not actually being in the country (although, as I like to add, probably coming back soon). Still feel a bit naughty voting while not a resident though...
You're British, you've lived in the UK, you're planning on living in the UK in the future, you have a right to participate in this country's future, you wouldn't be breaking the law or the spirit of the law by voting.
I'd say that to everyone, Leavers and Remainers.
I'm just an illiterate foreigner living in your country
Sunil Prasannan, BSc. (Hons), ARCS, PhD, DIC*
[* Diploma of Imperial College, NOT Drunk in Charge!]
I'm convinced at some point the Eurozone will effectively go bust...
Just over 20% of the world's money is held in € !
Who knows the remaining 80% might shortly see its purchasing power increase by 1/4 then...
Reports of the death of the Euro appear every few months, yet it goes on and on. Perhaps the economists predicting its downfall are no better than the rest of them!
It keeps limping on. Like a wounded animal. With no vet to put it down. Left to die a long horrible death.
It keeps limping on. Like a wounded animal. With no vet to put it down. Left to die a long horrible death.
And yet the Leavers assure us that there will be ever-closer union whereby the Eurozone countries will be able to gang up, integrate further, and boss us around whether we like it or not.
If Remain do win this by the scale the phone polls suggests, then Boris loses his star quality.
For time short term yes, but who knows how the ground will lay in 2-3 years...
Boris will have to be the best Northern Ireland Secretary in history for that to happen.
Boris would have to be mad to accept the NI role. Much better to sit on the back benches and bang out the odd piece in the Telegraph. (assuming Remain win of course)
If Remain wins, he's reportedly getting either, Health, Education or BIS
He would still be mad to accept any of those. Don't dance to Cameron's tune.
They are all heavyweight jobs though. What statement would he make by refusing? That anything bar the "great offices" is beneath him?
My mother is 94 and has indicated that she would be inclined to vote Remain .... But, she'd need my help to vote (she's frail and almost blind) and no way will I support her voting. My theory is that her calculating mind is worried that Brexit might affect her various state pensions/Attendance Allowance/Full Council Tax Rebate. So, she won't vote.
I hope that this isn't a serious comment.
What, you expect me to drive 235 miles on 23 June and take her to the Polling Station?
Then there's still time to arrange a postal vote. I want leave to win as much as anyone, but seriously take a look at yourself if your original comment was accurate,
Yep. Sorry Lewis but I am with Hertsmere here. If your original post was serious then you really need to rethink fast. Democracy is about everyone having the same chance to express their choice. If you would have supported her choice were she going to vote Leave the you damn well should be supporting her if she is going to vote Remain.
It keeps limping on. Like a wounded animal. With no vet to put it down. Left to die a long horrible death.
And yet the Leavers assure us that there will be ever-closer union whereby the Eurozone countries will be able to gang up, integrate further, and boss us around whether we like it or not.
It will. Like a wounded animal trying to bite the vet.
It keeps limping on. Like a wounded animal. With no vet to put it down. Left to die a long horrible death.
And yet the Leavers assure us that there will be ever-closer union whereby the Eurozone countries will be able to gang up, integrate further, and boss us around whether we like it or not.
It's a truism to say that With A Better Leader, the Labour Party would be 10-15 points ahead, over this flailing Tory government. And indeed it is *true*
But here's a counter-factual. With a better, more honest Tory prime minister, and a decent Tory Chancellor (perhaps a working class woman in Number 10 and some smart but not creepy posh boy in Number 11), the Tories would be 20-30 points ahead of Corbyn's Labour. Just crushingly superior. And Labour would be looking at a terminal death spiral of panic and despair.
Both sides have reasons to be grateful that the enemy is so inept and uninspiring.
Abso-bloody-lutely.
A Tory PM for the people, for the small businesses, for Britain and able to use our hard and soft powers to good effect would be cruising to 10 more years.
It keeps limping on. Like a wounded animal. With no vet to put it down. Left to die a long horrible death.
And yet the Leavers assure us that there will be ever-closer union whereby the Eurozone countries will be able to gang up, integrate further, and boss us around whether we like it or not.
Errr, like the ever closer Eurozone countries which are using QMV to block our disagreements and limit our renegotiation to a worthless tinkering that limits British economic growth by stealth this very year?
It's a truism to say that With A Better Leader, the Labour Party would be 10-15 points ahead, over this flailing Tory government. And indeed it is *true*
But here's a counter-factual. With a better, more honest Tory prime minister, and a decent Tory Chancellor (perhaps a working class woman in Number 10 and some smart but not creepy posh boy in Number 11), the Tories would be 20-30 points ahead of Corbyn's Labour. Just crushingly superior. And Labour would be looking at a terminal death spiral of panic and despair.
Both sides have reasons to be grateful that the enemy is so inept and uninspiring.
Some in Labour might be secretly wishing that the Tories were 20-30 points ahead in order to justify dumping their leader.
It keeps limping on. Like a wounded animal. With no vet to put it down. Left to die a long horrible death.
And yet the Leavers assure us that there will be ever-closer union whereby the Eurozone countries will be able to gang up, integrate further, and boss us around whether we like it or not.
It is the only way the Eurozone will be able to survive. They have always found a political solution to what appear to be insurmountable problems. Indeed they use seemingly insurmountable problems as an excuse for more political union. This time will be no different, except of course that the political solution will have to be more drastic because the economic problems are so severe.
It keeps limping on. Like a wounded animal. With no vet to put it down. Left to die a long horrible death.
And yet the Leavers assure us that there will be ever-closer union whereby the Eurozone countries will be able to gang up, integrate further, and boss us around whether we like it or not.
It is the only way the Eurozone will be able to survive. They have always found a political solution to what appear to be insurmountable problems. Indeed they use seemingly insurmountable problems as an excuse for more political union. This time will be no different, except of course that the political solution will have to be more drastic because the economic problems are so severe.
The problem is that the political solutions will not actually fix the problems and will cause riots in the streets.
In other news, Juncker wants an EU army to "react more credibly to the threat to peace in a member state or in a neighbouring state".
Tory voters seem to be prepared to follow their leadership. You have to wonder what British politics would look like if mainstream Tories had spent the last 25 years actually standing up for what they believed in instead of pretending to agree with the populist right.
Hugo Rifkind has a good article in The Times about what he calls "banter", by which he means politicians espousing views they don't really believe.
He predicts this referendum should see it's end
That will be tackling the banter. It’s got to go, even if that means some Tories go with it. If nothing else, it simply won’t work any more. No longer will ministers be able to score easy points by pandering to an insidious, tolerated ideal of a Britain that goes it alone. No longer will they be able to keep the party’s right away from Ukip by intimating, albeit with coy and smirking deniability, that they’re all on the same side. They aren’t. They never were, and finally they’ll have to be honest about it. The banter boat has sailed.
He's just reiterating what I said yesterday. Following the inevitable REMAIN win, the REMAINIACS (most especially in the Tory party) will own the EU. Defending the EU will have to be their thing, what they do, their speciality and metier, after all - they persuaded us to STAY. So they will have to explain why an EU army, EU taxes, EU hatred of kettles and Queens is good. No more pretending to be a bit UKIPPY.
There's no getting round this. Every single shitty thing the EU does will be hung round their treacherous necks, like those signs they draped over shamed academics in the Chinese Cultural Revolution, just before they got kicked to death by the kids.
Except by the time of the next General Election the leading Remainer will already be gone come what may. Within a decade or so the rest of the leading Remainers will be gone too. Think who we still have left from leading figures of 2006 around today? Nearly nobody in the 2006 Cabinet is still in the Labour Cabinet today.
Tory voters seem to be prepared to follow their leadership. You have to wonder what British politics would look like if mainstream Tories had spent the last 25 years actually standing up for what they believed in instead of pretending to agree with the populist right.
Hugo Rifkind has a good article in The Times about what he calls "banter", by which he means politicians espousing views they don't really believe.
He predicts this referendum should see it's end
That will be tackling the banter. It’s got to go, even if that means some Tories go with it. If nothing else, it simply won’t work any more. No longer will ministers be able to score easy points by pandering to an insidious, tolerated ideal of a Britain that goes it alone. No longer will they be able to keep the party’s right away from Ukip by intimating, albeit with coy and smirking deniability, that they’re all on the same side. They aren’t. They never were, and finally they’ll have to be honest about it. The banter boat has sailed.
He's just reiterating what I said yesterday. Following the inevitable REMAIN win, the REMAINIACS (most especially in the Tory party) will own the EU. Defending the EU will have to be their thing, what they do, their speciality and metier, after all - they persuaded us to STAY. So they will have to explain why an EU army, EU taxes, EU hatred of kettles and Queens is good. No more pretending to be a bit UKIPPY.
There's no getting round this. Every single shitty thing the EU does will be hung round their treacherous necks, like those signs they draped over shamed academics in the Chinese Cultural Revolution, just before they got kicked to death by the kids.
Except by the time of the next General Election the leading Remainer will already be gone come what may. Within a decade or so the rest of the leading Remainers will be gone too. Think who we still have left from leading figures of 2006 around today? Nearly nobody in the 2006 Cabinet is still in the Labour Cabinet today.
Erm, much of the 2006 Labour Cabinet were still the cabinet in 2010. And the Chancellor in 2006 was the PM in 2010....
Tory voters seem to be prepared to follow their leadership. You have to wonder what British politics would look like if mainstream Tories had spent the last 25 years actually standing up for what they believed in instead of pretending to agree with the populist right.
Hugo Rifkind has a good article in The Times about what he calls "banter", by which he means politicians espousing views they don't really believe.
He's just reiterating what I said yesterday. Following the inevitable REMAIN win, the REMAINIACS (most especially in the Tory party) will own the EU. Defending the EU will have to be their thing, what they do, their speciality and metier, after all - they persuaded us to STAY. So they will have to explain why an EU army, EU taxes, EU hatred of kettles and Queens is good. No more pretending to be a bit UKIPPY.
There's no getting round this. Every single shitty thing the EU does will be hung round their treacherous necks, like those signs they draped over shamed academics in the Chinese Cultural Revolution, just before they got kicked to death by the kids.
Except by the time of the next General Election the leading Remainer will already be gone come what may. Within a decade or so the rest of the leading Remainers will be gone too. Think who we still have left from leading figures of 2006 around today? Nearly nobody in the 2006 Cabinet is still in the Labour Cabinet today.
It means Osborne has no chance. He is hated.
And I finally understand. I hate them, too: I hate everyone who votes for this fucking piece of shit EU. I hate these quisling pigs. TSE, Nabavi. Meeks. Hate them.
The Tories are the worse. But I cordially despise every pb REMAINIAC, I loathe them for the traitors they are. I HATE THEM.
I surprise myself by the sincerity and fierceness of my emotion. I guess it touches something atavistic and primordial: nationalism, identity, tribality, macho basic hominid stuff. I have become a frenzied Cybernat. It's not nice. Indeed it is ugly. Horrible.
Either way, this is really what I feel. Hatred. I will never meet a known PB REMAINIAC in person, ever, for fear I will smash them in the head. They turned on their own country. They are traitors. My only wish is that their every hope is turned to dust, in time.
Looks like you will be becoming a UKIPnat if Remain do win!
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Keep on laying Boris
https://royaleleseaux.wordpress.com/2016/05/22/eu-referendum-the-choice/
Highly recommended.
You never see Dan Hannan and the bloke from the MoneySuperMarket advert in the same room do you?
In front of the main stage there are plenty of families spread about on blankets.
There is a Spotify playlist of this years bands:
https://open.spotify.com/user/latitudefest/playlist/52nIJzRFupzjQBTxKx8fVc
No tarrifs on goods from Iceland to Albania.....
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/6375342/MoneySuperMarket-advert-dancer-teaches-Sun-man-how-to-strut.html
You pays your money and takes your choice.
Essentially you europhiles are putting all your eggs into one basket - That the collection of losers and odd balls that run the EU like Mr Juncker are actually going to make a success of the EU and the Euro. That the whole thing won't implode and take us over the precipice with it...
Maybe you will be right... But maybe you won't. If you aren't then Boris's star will rise when he is able to say "I told you so"
We shall see.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-23/moodys-downgrades-deutsche-banks-debt-two-notches-above-junk
8 minutes
This link was posted by a Corbynista/Green friend of mine on Facebook:
http://southendnewsnetwork.com/news/eu-remain-campaigner-says-85-of-uk-population-will-die-if-we-vote-for-brexit/
For all the fun, it has established the meme of Exit equals danger. Many voters will read no further.
Also Iran will be killing loads of Palestinians whereas Israel will not be.
Of course they are all wrong. However, the problem is you can't assume they are all wrong in the direction you want. It might be worse than they think.
https://twitter.com/Stewart4Pboro/status/734865293487542272
Remain is seeing a swing to them among all voters.
Leave is seeing a swing among 10/10 voters
At the moment, I suspect that there's a maximum of one person who knows, and quite possibly not even that many.
Given his attention to detail, I suspect that Health or Education would not be a good fit - though where would be? DCLG?
I want leave to win as much as anyone, but seriously take a look at yourself if your original comment was accurate,
Not sure Boris would be any better, mind. To the extent that this job needs to exist at all, it requires detailed grunt work and a lot of chivvying along to overcome inertia and vested interests.
I'd say that to everyone, Leavers and Remainers.
Sunil Prasannan, BSc. (Hons), ARCS, PhD, DIC*
[* Diploma of Imperial College, NOT Drunk in Charge!]
A Tory PM for the people, for the small businesses, for Britain and able to use our hard and soft powers to good effect would be cruising to 10 more years.
In other news, Juncker wants an EU army to "react more credibly to the threat to peace in a member state or in a neighbouring state".