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Yeah but Osborne's got to be taken out.david_herdson said:
As Cameron won't be leader anyway, by his own announcement, you don't need to worry on that score.Mortimer said:
What a tedious line this is. The Tory party is ruthless when winning is on the line.Scott_P said:
They hate Cameron more than the EU. He's a winner, and they don't like that.TheScreamingEagles said:Yup, Leavers know they have lost
With our current leadership and its hapless approach to public policy, winning won't be a likelihood next time.0 -
It is the one who had to be schooled in politics and policy by IDS that worries me. Time for him to go to the backbenches - sooner rather than later.david_herdson said:
As Cameron won't be leader anyway, by his own announcement, you don't need to worry on that score.Mortimer said:
What a tedious line this is. The Tory party is ruthless when winning is on the line.Scott_P said:
They hate Cameron more than the EU. He's a winner, and they don't like that.TheScreamingEagles said:Yup, Leavers know they have lost
With our current leadership and its hapless approach to public policy, winning won't be a likelihood next time.
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Hope it's true.TheScreamingEagles said:Yup, Leavers know they have lost
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If Remain do win this by the scale the phone polls suggests, then Boris loses his star quality.
Keep on laying Boris0 -
Have spent the evening reading the excellent Blog post from @Casino_Royale
https://royaleleseaux.wordpress.com/2016/05/22/eu-referendum-the-choice/
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This Hannan piece on Newsnight is fantastic.0
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My mother is 94 and has indicated that she would be inclined to vote Remain .... But, she'd need my help to vote (she's frail and almost blind) and no way will I support her voting. My theory is that her calculating mind is worried that Brexit might affect her various state pensions/Attendance Allowance/Full Council Tax Rebate. So, she won't vote.0
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Unfortunately Dan Hannan has been ruined for me now.Mortimer said:This Hannan piece on Newsnight is fantastic.
You never see Dan Hannan and the bloke from the MoneySuperMarket advert in the same room do you?0 -
The family camping has decent loos, and even showers. It is close to the Festival site and quite civilised. Fox jr started festivalling at that age and loves it, though returning to the tent to chill and change at that age is a good idea.rcs1000 said:
Would it be suitable to take my 8 and 6 year old children?foxinsoxuk said:
New Order are headlining at Latitude Festival in July, so still time to catch them. I saw them at Glastonbury in 1987. Latitude is pretty chilled, lots of Guardian readers.AlastairMeeks said:
I went for a medical before Christmas. The nurse asked my date of birth and noted that I'd just had my birthday, had I done anything nice? Well actually, I said, I'd been due to see New Order but hadn't been able to go.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
And they're like 'yeah, yeah'TheScreamingEagles said:
Today I officially felt old today, I had to explain who MacGyver was to one of my staff today. They had never heard of MacGyver before, They are 18, it dawned on me they were born after Labour's victory in 1997.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Yes, and nature hadn't forced me to follow OGH on the hair style front then either.TheScreamingEagles said:
I was 11 when that happened, you old gitHertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Makes me feel old reading this.BenedictWhite said:MikeSmithson said:
I remember that Ceausescu speech... Then they started laughing....And then you knew it was over.
That speech happened on my 19th birthday.
Things is different these days.
That sort of thing only gets worse.
"Who are New Order?"
"You will have heard their biggest track Blue Monday, even if you don't recognise the name of the track, it's played eveywhere. It was the biggest selling 12" ever."
"What's a 12"?"
At that point I quit when I was behind.
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The National are playing, and they are AWESOME
In front of the main stage there are plenty of families spread about on blankets.
There is a Spotify playlist of this years bands:
https://open.spotify.com/user/latitudefest/playlist/52nIJzRFupzjQBTxKx8fVc0 -
Watch the piece of you can. It is tremendous and should be the electoral broadcast for the last fortnight.TheScreamingEagles said:
Unfortunately Dan Hannan has been ruined for me now.Mortimer said:This Hannan piece on Newsnight is fantastic.
You never see Dan Hannan and the bloke from the MoneySuperMarket advert in the same room do you?0 -
I sincerely hope you are joking.LewisDuckworth said:My mother is 94 and has indicated that she would be inclined to vote Remain .... But, she'd need my help to vote (she's frail and almost blind) and no way will I support her voting. My theory is that her calculating mind is worried that Brexit might affect her various state pensions/Attendance Allowance/Full Council Tax Rebate. So, she won't vote.
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I've passed that on to friends.GIN1138 said:Have spent the evening reading the excellent Blog post from @Casino_Royale
https://royaleleseaux.wordpress.com/2016/05/22/eu-referendum-the-choice/
Highly recommended.0 -
It'll be another election he wins.Tykejohnno said:
Hope it's true.TheScreamingEagles said:Yup, Leavers know they have lost
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/7348579096879964170 -
For time short term yes, but who knows how the ground will lay in 2-3 years...TheScreamingEagles said:If Remain do win this by the scale the phone polls suggests, then Boris loses his star quality.
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On the ORB survey in the Telegraph - they can only have a sample of 300 Conservatives if the total sample is 800. Isn't that a 7% margin of error?0
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I'll have to watch it on the iplayer in the morning.Mortimer said:
Watch the piece of you can. It is tremendous and should be the electoral broadcast for the last fortnight.TheScreamingEagles said:
Unfortunately Dan Hannan has been ruined for me now.Mortimer said:This Hannan piece on Newsnight is fantastic.
You never see Dan Hannan and the bloke from the MoneySuperMarket advert in the same room do you?0 -
So 'Cambridge based Korean economist Ha-Joon Chang who for many was the star of the day' told lefties what they wanted to hear.0
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Why does Ummna peddle the tarrifs on goods line?
No tarrifs on goods from Iceland to Albania.....0 -
Boris will have to be the best Northern Ireland Secretary in history for that to happen.GIN1138 said:
For time short term yes, but who knows how the ground will lay in 2-3 years...TheScreamingEagles said:If Remain do win this by the scale the phone polls suggests, then Boris loses his star quality.
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Actually his name is Michael van Shoick, from LA of all places:TheScreamingEagles said:
Unfortunately Dan Hannan has been ruined for me now.Mortimer said:This Hannan piece on Newsnight is fantastic.
You never see Dan Hannan and the bloke from the MoneySuperMarket advert in the same room do you?
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/6375342/MoneySuperMarket-advert-dancer-teaches-Sun-man-how-to-strut.html0 -
Tory splits my friend,TheScreamingEagles said:
It'll be another election he wins.Tykejohnno said:
Hope it's true.TheScreamingEagles said:Yup, Leavers know they have lost
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/7348579096879964170 -
Politics aside, you're a horrible person.LewisDuckworth said:My mother is 94 and has indicated that she would be inclined to vote Remain .... But, she'd need my help to vote (she's frail and almost blind) and no way will I support her voting. My theory is that her calculating mind is worried that Brexit might affect her various state pensions/Attendance Allowance/Full Council Tax Rebate. So, she won't vote.
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Tory splits my friend.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
On topic and off topic.
So, no "sensible" economist agrees with Osborne, but "serious" economists do?Don Brind said:The large and enthusiastic gathering heard Corbyn’s signature line “austerity is a political choice not a necessity” endorsed by the Cambridge based Korean economist Ha-Joon Chang who for many was the star of the day. He said “No sensible economist agrees with the way the Conservatives are handling the economy at the moment, so I hope this conference will play a major part in developing Labour’s alternative plans for a more dynamic, fairer, and more sustainable economy”.
You pays your money and takes your choice.0 -
Cameron hates the Tory Party more than the EUScott_P said:
They hate Cameron more than the EU. He's a winner, and they don't like that.TheScreamingEagles said:Yup, Leavers know they have lost
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I don't know if you are being serious but if you are the way you speak about your mother is repellant.LewisDuckworth said:My mother is 94 and has indicated that she would be inclined to vote Remain .... But, she'd need my help to vote (she's frail and almost blind) and no way will I support her voting. My theory is that her calculating mind is worried that Brexit might affect her various state pensions/Attendance Allowance/Full Council Tax Rebate. So, she won't vote.
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I would have thought Boris will go to the backbenches and wait and see how the EU gets on over the next 2-3 years.TheScreamingEagles said:
Boris will have to be the best Northern Ireland Secretary in history for that to happen.GIN1138 said:
For time short term yes, but who knows how the ground will lay in 2-3 years...TheScreamingEagles said:If Remain do win this by the scale the phone polls suggests, then Boris loses his star quality.
Essentially you europhiles are putting all your eggs into one basket - That the collection of losers and odd balls that run the EU like Mr Juncker are actually going to make a success of the EU and the Euro. That the whole thing won't implode and take us over the precipice with it...
Maybe you will be right... But maybe you won't. If you aren't then Boris's star will rise when he is able to say "I told you so"
We shall see.0 -
I'm not somehow missing a joke here am I? Denying someone the vote like that is utterly heinous.edmundintokyo said:
Politics aside, you're a horrible person.LewisDuckworth said:My mother is 94 and has indicated that she would be inclined to vote Remain .... But, she'd need my help to vote (she's frail and almost blind) and no way will I support her voting. My theory is that her calculating mind is worried that Brexit might affect her various state pensions/Attendance Allowance/Full Council Tax Rebate. So, she won't vote.
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Welcome to the economist sceptics club, Mr. Nabavi!Richard_Nabavi said:So 'Cambridge based Korean economist Ha-Joon Chang who for many was the star of the day' told lefties what they wanted to hear.
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Deutsche Bank was downgraded by Moody's today... Do we think the referendum markets factoring in the possibility of a euro crisis beyond Greek debt travails?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-23/moodys-downgrades-deutsche-banks-debt-two-notches-above-junk0 -
"Her calculating mind"...RobD said:
I'm not somehow missing a joke here am I? Denying someone the vote like that is utterly heinous.edmundintokyo said:
Politics aside, you're a horrible person.LewisDuckworth said:My mother is 94 and has indicated that she would be inclined to vote Remain .... But, she'd need my help to vote (she's frail and almost blind) and no way will I support her voting. My theory is that her calculating mind is worried that Brexit might affect her various state pensions/Attendance Allowance/Full Council Tax Rebate. So, she won't vote.
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How many years of care have you given your parents?edmundintokyo said:
Politics aside, you're a horrible person.LewisDuckworth said:My mother is 94 and has indicated that she would be inclined to vote Remain .... But, she'd need my help to vote (she's frail and almost blind) and no way will I support her voting. My theory is that her calculating mind is worried that Brexit might affect her various state pensions/Attendance Allowance/Full Council Tax Rebate. So, she won't vote.
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Think I might just vote Remain for his mother's sake!Pulpstar said:
"Her calculating mind"...RobD said:
I'm not somehow missing a joke here am I? Denying someone the vote like that is utterly heinous.edmundintokyo said:
Politics aside, you're a horrible person.LewisDuckworth said:My mother is 94 and has indicated that she would be inclined to vote Remain .... But, she'd need my help to vote (she's frail and almost blind) and no way will I support her voting. My theory is that her calculating mind is worried that Brexit might affect her various state pensions/Attendance Allowance/Full Council Tax Rebate. So, she won't vote.
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Somehow that gives you the right to decide if she votes or not?LewisDuckworth said:
How many years of care have you given your parents?edmundintokyo said:
Politics aside, you're a horrible person.LewisDuckworth said:My mother is 94 and has indicated that she would be inclined to vote Remain .... But, she'd need my help to vote (she's frail and almost blind) and no way will I support her voting. My theory is that her calculating mind is worried that Brexit might affect her various state pensions/Attendance Allowance/Full Council Tax Rebate. So, she won't vote.
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In this referendum vote, people are not factoring the falling off the cliff of the Euro zone.Anna said:Deutsche Bank was downgraded by Moody's today... Do we think the referendum markets factoring in the possibility of a euro crisis beyond Greek debt travails?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-23/moodys-downgrades-deutsche-banks-debt-two-notches-above-junk0 -
I'm convinced at some point the Eurozone will effectively go bust...Anna said:Deutsche Bank was downgraded by Moody's today... Do we think the referendum markets factoring in the possibility of a euro crisis beyond Greek debt travails?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-23/moodys-downgrades-deutsche-banks-debt-two-notches-above-junk0 -
I'm quite happy to be your proxyRobD said:
Think I might just vote Remain for his mother's sake!Pulpstar said:
"Her calculating mind"...RobD said:
I'm not somehow missing a joke here am I? Denying someone the vote like that is utterly heinous.edmundintokyo said:
Politics aside, you're a horrible person.LewisDuckworth said:My mother is 94 and has indicated that she would be inclined to vote Remain .... But, she'd need my help to vote (she's frail and almost blind) and no way will I support her voting. My theory is that her calculating mind is worried that Brexit might affect her various state pensions/Attendance Allowance/Full Council Tax Rebate. So, she won't vote.
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Not to worry, I've already arranged a postal ballot! I am genuinely undecided though (try and suppress those guffaws chaps)...TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm quite happy to be your proxyRobD said:
Think I might just vote Remain for his mother's sake!Pulpstar said:
"Her calculating mind"...RobD said:
I'm not somehow missing a joke here am I? Denying someone the vote like that is utterly heinous.edmundintokyo said:
Politics aside, you're a horrible person.LewisDuckworth said:My mother is 94 and has indicated that she would be inclined to vote Remain .... But, she'd need my help to vote (she's frail and almost blind) and no way will I support her voting. My theory is that her calculating mind is worried that Brexit might affect her various state pensions/Attendance Allowance/Full Council Tax Rebate. So, she won't vote.
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Boris would have to be mad to accept the NI role. Much better to sit on the back benches and bang out the odd piece in the Telegraph. (assuming Remain win of course)TheScreamingEagles said:
Boris will have to be the best Northern Ireland Secretary in history for that to happen.GIN1138 said:
For time short term yes, but who knows how the ground will lay in 2-3 years...TheScreamingEagles said:If Remain do win this by the scale the phone polls suggests, then Boris loses his star quality.
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I think that we have now reached that point in Post Modern Politics where people are taking the mickey out of people taking the mickey out of scare stories.
This link was posted by a Corbynista/Green friend of mine on Facebook:
http://southendnewsnetwork.com/news/eu-remain-campaigner-says-85-of-uk-population-will-die-if-we-vote-for-brexit/
For all the fun, it has established the meme of Exit equals danger. Many voters will read no further.0 -
They won't because they know that the reverse is also the case and also that Saudi will be cheering Israel on when they do.Pulpstar said:
Also Iran will be killing loads of Palestinians whereas Israel will not be.0 -
There are economists and economists...VapidBilge said:
Welcome to the economist sceptics club, Mr. Nabavi!Richard_Nabavi said:So 'Cambridge based Korean economist Ha-Joon Chang who for many was the star of the day' told lefties what they wanted to hear.
Of course they are all wrong. However, the problem is you can't assume they are all wrong in the direction you want. It might be worse than they think.0 -
Just over 20% of the world's money is held in € !GIN1138 said:
I'm convinced at some point the Eurozone will effectively go bust...Anna said:Deutsche Bank was downgraded by Moody's today... Do we think the referendum markets factoring in the possibility of a euro crisis beyond Greek debt travails?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-23/moodys-downgrades-deutsche-banks-debt-two-notches-above-junk0 -
I hope that this isn't a serious comment.LewisDuckworth said:My mother is 94 and has indicated that she would be inclined to vote Remain .... But, she'd need my help to vote (she's frail and almost blind) and no way will I support her voting. My theory is that her calculating mind is worried that Brexit might affect her various state pensions/Attendance Allowance/Full Council Tax Rebate. So, she won't vote.
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You are absolutely right. The issue doesn't get a mention despite being the defining issue. All we hear is superficial drivel instead.BenedictWhite said:
In this referendum vote, people are not factoring the falling off the cliff of the Euro zone.Anna said:Deutsche Bank was downgraded by Moody's today... Do we think the referendum markets factoring in the possibility of a euro crisis beyond Greek debt travails?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-23/moodys-downgrades-deutsche-banks-debt-two-notches-above-junk0 -
A PB first, we have a floating/undecided voter on PBRobD said:
Not to worry, I've already arranged a postal ballot! I am genuinely undecided though (try and suppress those guffaws chaps)...TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm quite happy to be your proxyRobD said:
Think I might just vote Remain for his mother's sake!Pulpstar said:
"Her calculating mind"...RobD said:
I'm not somehow missing a joke here am I? Denying someone the vote like that is utterly heinous.edmundintokyo said:
Politics aside, you're a horrible person.LewisDuckworth said:My mother is 94 and has indicated that she would be inclined to vote Remain .... But, she'd need my help to vote (she's frail and almost blind) and no way will I support her voting. My theory is that her calculating mind is worried that Brexit might affect her various state pensions/Attendance Allowance/Full Council Tax Rebate. So, she won't vote.
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It'd be hilarious if they opened one onto the SNP, especially after Wishart calling the Met on the ToriesTheScreamingEagles said:
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What, you expect me to drive 235 miles on 23 June and take her to the Polling Station?Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
I hope that this isn't a serious comment.LewisDuckworth said:My mother is 94 and has indicated that she would be inclined to vote Remain .... But, she'd need my help to vote (she's frail and almost blind) and no way will I support her voting. My theory is that her calculating mind is worried that Brexit might affect her various state pensions/Attendance Allowance/Full Council Tax Rebate. So, she won't vote.
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If Remain wins, he's reportedly getting either, Health, Education or BISHertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Boris would have to be mad to accept the NI role. Much better to sit on the back benches and bang out the odd piece in the Telegraph. (assuming Remain win of course)TheScreamingEagles said:
Boris will have to be the best Northern Ireland Secretary in history for that to happen.GIN1138 said:
For time short term yes, but who knows how the ground will lay in 2-3 years...TheScreamingEagles said:If Remain do win this by the scale the phone polls suggests, then Boris loses his star quality.
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I'm a floating voter, I have voted UKIP, LibDem, Labour and Tory within the last 8 years.TheScreamingEagles said:
A PB first, we have a floating/undecided voter on PBRobD said:
Not to worry, I've already arranged a postal ballot! I am genuinely undecided though (try and suppress those guffaws chaps)...TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm quite happy to be your proxyRobD said:
Think I might just vote Remain for his mother's sake!Pulpstar said:
"Her calculating mind"...RobD said:
I'm not somehow missing a joke here am I? Denying someone the vote like that is utterly heinous.edmundintokyo said:
Politics aside, you're a horrible person.LewisDuckworth said:My mother is 94 and has indicated that she would be inclined to vote Remain .... But, she'd need my help to vote (she's frail and almost blind) and no way will I support her voting. My theory is that her calculating mind is worried that Brexit might affect her various state pensions/Attendance Allowance/Full Council Tax Rebate. So, she won't vote.
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Osborne will fall with Cameron, he is in the Martin Bormann role.GIN1138 said:
Yeah but Osborne's got to be taken out.david_herdson said:
As Cameron won't be leader anyway, by his own announcement, you don't need to worry on that score.Mortimer said:
What a tedious line this is. The Tory party is ruthless when winning is on the line.Scott_P said:
They hate Cameron more than the EU. He's a winner, and they don't like that.TheScreamingEagles said:Yup, Leavers know they have lost
With our current leadership and its hapless approach to public policy, winning won't be a likelihood next time.0 -
The least you could do is make sure she's aware of who to get in touch with if she does want to exercise her right to vote. I'd be surprised if the council didn't offer a scheme to assist older voters. If not, either campaign should know how to help or who to contact in situations like these.LewisDuckworth said:
What, you expect me to drive 235 miles on 23 June and take her to the Polling Station?Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
I hope that this isn't a serious comment.LewisDuckworth said:My mother is 94 and has indicated that she would be inclined to vote Remain .... But, she'd need my help to vote (she's frail and almost blind) and no way will I support her voting. My theory is that her calculating mind is worried that Brexit might affect her various state pensions/Attendance Allowance/Full Council Tax Rebate. So, she won't vote.
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Just imagine the Downfall video.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Osborne will fall with Cameron, he is in the Martin Bormann role.GIN1138 said:
Yeah but Osborne's got to be taken out.david_herdson said:
As Cameron won't be leader anyway, by his own announcement, you don't need to worry on that score.Mortimer said:
What a tedious line this is. The Tory party is ruthless when winning is on the line.Scott_P said:
They hate Cameron more than the EU. He's a winner, and they don't like that.TheScreamingEagles said:Yup, Leavers know they have lost
With our current leadership and its hapless approach to public policy, winning won't be a likelihood next time.0 -
Slightly confused about this ORB poll. If, as they say, Men and older voters are moving towards Remain then who is moving the other way to have produced a closure in the gap by 2 points?0
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Surely Cammo will need to find Boris somewhere where he can't do much harm. BIS or the Welsh Office are the two obvious ones.TheScreamingEagles said:If Remain wins, he's reportedly getting either, Health, Education or BIS
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I've found one of the Tory MP's out to get Fake Dave ,bet you didn'r expect him ;-)
https://twitter.com/Stewart4Pboro/status/7348652934875422720 -
Guido's not that great at investigations though. They had an investigation into racism in political parties a while back, but couldn't find a single Tory to report on...TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
There are lots of floating voters here. We cater to both factions: Leave.EU and vote.leave.TheScreamingEagles said:
A PB first, we have a floating/undecided voter on PBRobD said:
Not to worry, I've already arranged a postal ballot! I am genuinely undecided though (try and suppress those guffaws chaps)...TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm quite happy to be your proxyRobD said:
Think I might just vote Remain for his mother's sake!Pulpstar said:
"Her calculating mind"...RobD said:
I'm not somehow missing a joke here am I? Denying someone the vote like that is utterly heinous.edmundintokyo said:
Politics aside, you're a horrible person.LewisDuckworth said:My mother is 94 and has indicated that she would be inclined to vote Remain .... But, she'd need my help to vote (she's frail and almost blind) and no way will I support her voting. My theory is that her calculating mind is worried that Brexit might affect her various state pensions/Attendance Allowance/Full Council Tax Rebate. So, she won't vote.
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It's the certainty to vote filter.Richard_Tyndall said:Slightly confused about this ORB poll. If, as they say, Men and older voters are moving towards Remain then who is moving the other way to have produced a closure in the gap by 2 points?
Remain is seeing a swing to them among all voters.
Leave is seeing a swing among 10/10 voters0 -
Who knows the remaining 80% might shortly see its purchasing power increase by 1/4 then...Pulpstar said:
Just over 20% of the world's money is held in € !GIN1138 said:
I'm convinced at some point the Eurozone will effectively go bust...Anna said:Deutsche Bank was downgraded by Moody's today... Do we think the referendum markets factoring in the possibility of a euro crisis beyond Greek debt travails?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-23/moodys-downgrades-deutsche-banks-debt-two-notches-above-junk0 -
That's like a wonky bookshelf: a poor parallel on a number of levels.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Osborne will fall with Cameron, he is in the Martin Bormann role.GIN1138 said:
Yeah but Osborne's got to be taken out.david_herdson said:
As Cameron won't be leader anyway, by his own announcement, you don't need to worry on that score.Mortimer said:
What a tedious line this is. The Tory party is ruthless when winning is on the line.Scott_P said:
They hate Cameron more than the EU. He's a winner, and they don't like that.TheScreamingEagles said:Yup, Leavers know they have lost
With our current leadership and its hapless approach to public policy, winning won't be a likelihood next time.0 -
"Those who vote LEAVE please leave the room..."TheScreamingEagles said:
Just imagine the Downfall video.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Osborne will fall with Cameron, he is in the Martin Bormann role.GIN1138 said:
Yeah but Osborne's got to be taken out.david_herdson said:
As Cameron won't be leader anyway, by his own announcement, you don't need to worry on that score.Mortimer said:
What a tedious line this is. The Tory party is ruthless when winning is on the line.Scott_P said:
They hate Cameron more than the EU. He's a winner, and they don't like that.TheScreamingEagles said:Yup, Leavers know they have lost
With our current leadership and its hapless approach to public policy, winning won't be a likelihood next time.0 -
BIS I reckon, has a lot of foreign trips to keep Boris out of the country, and Sajid Javid has been a bit of a let down.Richard_Nabavi said:
Surely Cammo will need to find Boris somewhere where he can't do much harm. BIS or the Welsh Office are the two obvious ones.TheScreamingEagles said:If Remain wins, he's reportedly getting either, Health, Education or BIS
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Wouldn't you just want to see the downfall video if Leave wins?TheScreamingEagles said:
Just imagine the Downfall video.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Osborne will fall with Cameron, he is in the Martin Bormann role.GIN1138 said:
Yeah but Osborne's got to be taken out.david_herdson said:
As Cameron won't be leader anyway, by his own announcement, you don't need to worry on that score.Mortimer said:
What a tedious line this is. The Tory party is ruthless when winning is on the line.Scott_P said:
They hate Cameron more than the EU. He's a winner, and they don't like that.TheScreamingEagles said:Yup, Leavers know they have lost
With our current leadership and its hapless approach to public policy, winning won't be a likelihood next time.
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Crick's already taken care of that side of thingsEPG said:
Guido's not that great at investigations though. They had an investigation into racism in political parties a while back, but couldn't find a single Tory to report on...TheScreamingEagles said:
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Reportedly according to who?TheScreamingEagles said:
If Remain wins, he's reportedly getting either, Health, Education or BISHertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Boris would have to be mad to accept the NI role. Much better to sit on the back benches and bang out the odd piece in the Telegraph. (assuming Remain win of course)TheScreamingEagles said:
Boris will have to be the best Northern Ireland Secretary in history for that to happen.GIN1138 said:
For time short term yes, but who knows how the ground will lay in 2-3 years...TheScreamingEagles said:If Remain do win this by the scale the phone polls suggests, then Boris loses his star quality.
At the moment, I suspect that there's a maximum of one person who knows, and quite possibly not even that many.
Given his attention to detail, I suspect that Health or Education would not be a good fit - though where would be? DCLG?0 -
Reports of the death of the Euro appear every few months, yet it goes on and on. Perhaps the economists predicting its downfall are no better than the rest of them!Anna said:
Who knows the remaining 80% might shortly see its purchasing power increase by 1/4 then...Pulpstar said:
Just over 20% of the world's money is held in € !GIN1138 said:
I'm convinced at some point the Eurozone will effectively go bust...Anna said:Deutsche Bank was downgraded by Moody's today... Do we think the referendum markets factoring in the possibility of a euro crisis beyond Greek debt travails?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-23/moodys-downgrades-deutsche-banks-debt-two-notches-above-junk0 -
Then there's still time to arrange a postal vote.LewisDuckworth said:
What, you expect me to drive 235 miles on 23 June and take her to the Polling Station?Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
I hope that this isn't a serious comment.LewisDuckworth said:My mother is 94 and has indicated that she would be inclined to vote Remain .... But, she'd need my help to vote (she's frail and almost blind) and no way will I support her voting. My theory is that her calculating mind is worried that Brexit might affect her various state pensions/Attendance Allowance/Full Council Tax Rebate. So, she won't vote.
I want leave to win as much as anyone, but seriously take a look at yourself if your original comment was accurate,0 -
A lot of it because of quantitative easing.Pulpstar said:
Just over 20% of the world's money is held in € !GIN1138 said:
I'm convinced at some point the Eurozone will effectively go bust...Anna said:Deutsche Bank was downgraded by Moody's today... Do we think the referendum markets factoring in the possibility of a euro crisis beyond Greek debt travails?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-23/moodys-downgrades-deutsche-banks-debt-two-notches-above-junk0 -
Although I do keep up with politics with quite zealously, I probably miss out on a lot by not actually being in the country (although, as I like to add, probably coming back soon). Still feel a bit naughty voting while not a resident though...TheScreamingEagles said:
A PB first, we have a floating/undecided voter on PBRobD said:
Not to worry, I've already arranged a postal ballot! I am genuinely undecided though (try and suppress those guffaws chaps)...TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm quite happy to be your proxyRobD said:
Think I might just vote Remain for his mother's sake!Pulpstar said:
"Her calculating mind"...RobD said:
I'm not somehow missing a joke here am I? Denying someone the vote like that is utterly heinous.edmundintokyo said:
Politics aside, you're a horrible person.LewisDuckworth said:My mother is 94 and has indicated that she would be inclined to vote Remain .... But, she'd need my help to vote (she's frail and almost blind) and no way will I support her voting. My theory is that her calculating mind is worried that Brexit might affect her various state pensions/Attendance Allowance/Full Council Tax Rebate. So, she won't vote.
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Advances in Technology - 45 minutes is sooooooo slow these days.Pulpstar said:0 -
Too right he has. He's supposed to be driving deregulation throughout government. I have to say I'm not exactly overwhelmed with the progress, and on the one occasion I wrote to him to propose a cost-free, completely uncontroversial, piece of deregulation, I didn't get an answer. Though it pains me to say it, because I had hopes that he'd be quite good, he's turned to be completely useless.TheScreamingEagles said:BIS I reckon, has a lot of foreign trips to keep Boris out of the country, and Sajid Javid has been a bit of a let down.
Not sure Boris would be any better, mind. To the extent that this job needs to exist at all, it requires detailed grunt work and a lot of chivvying along to overcome inertia and vested interests.0 -
He would still be mad to accept any of those. Don't dance to Cameron's tune.TheScreamingEagles said:
If Remain wins, he's reportedly getting either, Health, Education or BISHertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Boris would have to be mad to accept the NI role. Much better to sit on the back benches and bang out the odd piece in the Telegraph. (assuming Remain win of course)TheScreamingEagles said:
Boris will have to be the best Northern Ireland Secretary in history for that to happen.GIN1138 said:
For time short term yes, but who knows how the ground will lay in 2-3 years...TheScreamingEagles said:If Remain do win this by the scale the phone polls suggests, then Boris loses his star quality.
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You're British, you've lived in the UK, you're planning on living in the UK in the future, you have a right to participate in this country's future, you wouldn't be breaking the law or the spirit of the law by voting.RobD said:
Although I do keep up with politics with quite zealously, I probably miss out on a lot by not actually being in the country (although, as I like to add, probably coming back soon). Still feel a bit naughty voting while not a resident though...TheScreamingEagles said:
A PB first, we have a floating/undecided voter on PBRobD said:
Not to worry, I've already arranged a postal ballot! I am genuinely undecided though (try and suppress those guffaws chaps)...TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm quite happy to be your proxyRobD said:
Think I might just vote Remain for his mother's sake!Pulpstar said:
"Her calculating mind"...RobD said:
I'm not somehow missing a joke here am I? Denying someone the vote like that is utterly heinous.edmundintokyo said:
Politics aside, you're a horrible person.LewisDuckworth said:My mother is 94 and has indicated that she would be inclined to vote Remain .... But, she'd need my help to vote (she's frail and almost blind) and no way will I support her voting. My theory is that her calculating mind is worried that Brexit might affect her various state pensions/Attendance Allowance/Full Council Tax Rebate. So, she won't vote.
I'd say that to everyone, Leavers and Remainers.0 -
It keeps limping on. Like a wounded animal. With no vet to put it down. Left to die a long horrible death.foxinsoxuk said:
Reports of the death of the Euro appear every few months, yet it goes on and on. Perhaps the economists predicting its downfall are no better than the rest of them!Anna said:
Who knows the remaining 80% might shortly see its purchasing power increase by 1/4 then...Pulpstar said:
Just over 20% of the world's money is held in € !GIN1138 said:
I'm convinced at some point the Eurozone will effectively go bust...Anna said:Deutsche Bank was downgraded by Moody's today... Do we think the referendum markets factoring in the possibility of a euro crisis beyond Greek debt travails?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-23/moodys-downgrades-deutsche-banks-debt-two-notches-above-junk0 -
I'm just an illiterate foreigner living in your countryTheScreamingEagles said:
You're British, you've lived in the UK, you're planning on living in the UK in the future, you have a right to participate in this country's future, you wouldn't be breaking the law or the spirit of the law by voting.RobD said:
Although I do keep up with politics with quite zealously, I probably miss out on a lot by not actually being in the country (although, as I like to add, probably coming back soon). Still feel a bit naughty voting while not a resident though...TheScreamingEagles said:
A PB first, we have a floating/undecided voter on PBRobD said:
Not to worry, I've already arranged a postal ballot! I am genuinely undecided though (try and suppress those guffaws chaps)...TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm quite happy to be your proxyRobD said:
Think I might just vote Remain for his mother's sake!Pulpstar said:
"Her calculating mind"...RobD said:
I'm not somehow missing a joke here am I? Denying someone the vote like that is utterly heinous.edmundintokyo said:
Politics aside, you're a horrible person.LewisDuckworth said:My mother is 94 and has indicated that she would be inclined to vote Remain .... But, she'd need my help to vote (she's frail and almost blind) and no way will I support her voting. My theory is that her calculating mind is worried that Brexit might affect her various state pensions/Attendance Allowance/Full Council Tax Rebate. So, she won't vote.
I'd say that to everyone, Leavers and Remainers.
Sunil Prasannan, BSc. (Hons), ARCS, PhD, DIC*
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A Euro is for life, not just for June 23rdBenedictWhite said:
It keeps limping on. Like a wounded animal. With no vet to put it down. Left to die a long horrible death.foxinsoxuk said:
Reports of the death of the Euro appear every few months, yet it goes on and on. Perhaps the economists predicting its downfall are no better than the rest of them!Anna said:
Who knows the remaining 80% might shortly see its purchasing power increase by 1/4 then...Pulpstar said:
Just over 20% of the world's money is held in € !GIN1138 said:
I'm convinced at some point the Eurozone will effectively go bust...Anna said:Deutsche Bank was downgraded by Moody's today... Do we think the referendum markets factoring in the possibility of a euro crisis beyond Greek debt travails?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-23/moodys-downgrades-deutsche-banks-debt-two-notches-above-junk 0 -
And yet the Leavers assure us that there will be ever-closer union whereby the Eurozone countries will be able to gang up, integrate further, and boss us around whether we like it or not.BenedictWhite said:It keeps limping on. Like a wounded animal. With no vet to put it down. Left to die a long horrible death.
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They are all heavyweight jobs though. What statement would he make by refusing? That anything bar the "great offices" is beneath him?Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
He would still be mad to accept any of those. Don't dance to Cameron's tune.TheScreamingEagles said:
If Remain wins, he's reportedly getting either, Health, Education or BISHertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Boris would have to be mad to accept the NI role. Much better to sit on the back benches and bang out the odd piece in the Telegraph. (assuming Remain win of course)TheScreamingEagles said:
Boris will have to be the best Northern Ireland Secretary in history for that to happen.GIN1138 said:
For time short term yes, but who knows how the ground will lay in 2-3 years...TheScreamingEagles said:If Remain do win this by the scale the phone polls suggests, then Boris loses his star quality.
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Curiously what they're not saying on Newsnight is that China needs London's financial services but they seem to think the EU doesn't?0
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Yep. Sorry Lewis but I am with Hertsmere here. If your original post was serious then you really need to rethink fast. Democracy is about everyone having the same chance to express their choice. If you would have supported her choice were she going to vote Leave the you damn well should be supporting her if she is going to vote Remain.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Then there's still time to arrange a postal vote.LewisDuckworth said:
What, you expect me to drive 235 miles on 23 June and take her to the Polling Station?Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
I hope that this isn't a serious comment.LewisDuckworth said:My mother is 94 and has indicated that she would be inclined to vote Remain .... But, she'd need my help to vote (she's frail and almost blind) and no way will I support her voting. My theory is that her calculating mind is worried that Brexit might affect her various state pensions/Attendance Allowance/Full Council Tax Rebate. So, she won't vote.
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It will. Like a wounded animal trying to bite the vet.Richard_Nabavi said:
And yet the Leavers assure us that there will be ever-closer union whereby the Eurozone countries will be able to gang up, integrate further, and boss us around whether we like it or not.BenedictWhite said:It keeps limping on. Like a wounded animal. With no vet to put it down. Left to die a long horrible death.
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Wounded animals can be dangerous.Richard_Nabavi said:
And yet the Leavers assure us that there will be ever-closer union whereby the Eurozone countries will be able to gang up, integrate further, and boss us around whether we like it or not.BenedictWhite said:It keeps limping on. Like a wounded animal. With no vet to put it down. Left to die a long horrible death.
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So if the 3% who are don't know back Leave we have 55 45 Remain, an exact repeat of indyref!TheScreamingEagles said:ORB Poll for the Telegraph
Remain 55 (nc)
Leave 42 (+2)
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Abso-bloody-lutely.SeanT said:It's a truism to say that With A Better Leader, the Labour Party would be 10-15 points ahead, over this flailing Tory government. And indeed it is *true*
But here's a counter-factual. With a better, more honest Tory prime minister, and a decent Tory Chancellor (perhaps a working class woman in Number 10 and some smart but not creepy posh boy in Number 11), the Tories would be 20-30 points ahead of Corbyn's Labour. Just crushingly superior. And Labour would be looking at a terminal death spiral of panic and despair.
Both sides have reasons to be grateful that the enemy is so inept and uninspiring.
A Tory PM for the people, for the small businesses, for Britain and able to use our hard and soft powers to good effect would be cruising to 10 more years.0 -
Alternatively, they back remain and it becomes 58/42, which seems a lot more comfortable.HYUFD said:
So if the 3% who are don't know back Leave we have 55 45 Remain, an exact repeat of indyref!TheScreamingEagles said:ORB Poll for the Telegraph
Remain 55 (nc)
Leave 42 (+2)
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/7348482740924129280 -
Errr, like the ever closer Eurozone countries which are using QMV to block our disagreements and limit our renegotiation to a worthless tinkering that limits British economic growth by stealth this very year?Richard_Nabavi said:
And yet the Leavers assure us that there will be ever-closer union whereby the Eurozone countries will be able to gang up, integrate further, and boss us around whether we like it or not.BenedictWhite said:It keeps limping on. Like a wounded animal. With no vet to put it down. Left to die a long horrible death.
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The best prison film now on horror channel,Shawshank Redemption has nothing on this ;-)0
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Some in Labour might be secretly wishing that the Tories were 20-30 points ahead in order to justify dumping their leader.SeanT said:It's a truism to say that With A Better Leader, the Labour Party would be 10-15 points ahead, over this flailing Tory government. And indeed it is *true*
But here's a counter-factual. With a better, more honest Tory prime minister, and a decent Tory Chancellor (perhaps a working class woman in Number 10 and some smart but not creepy posh boy in Number 11), the Tories would be 20-30 points ahead of Corbyn's Labour. Just crushingly superior. And Labour would be looking at a terminal death spiral of panic and despair.
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It is the only way the Eurozone will be able to survive. They have always found a political solution to what appear to be insurmountable problems. Indeed they use seemingly insurmountable problems as an excuse for more political union. This time will be no different, except of course that the political solution will have to be more drastic because the economic problems are so severe.Richard_Nabavi said:
And yet the Leavers assure us that there will be ever-closer union whereby the Eurozone countries will be able to gang up, integrate further, and boss us around whether we like it or not.BenedictWhite said:It keeps limping on. Like a wounded animal. With no vet to put it down. Left to die a long horrible death.
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The problem is that the political solutions will not actually fix the problems and will cause riots in the streets.Richard_Tyndall said:
It is the only way the Eurozone will be able to survive. They have always found a political solution to what appear to be insurmountable problems. Indeed they use seemingly insurmountable problems as an excuse for more political union. This time will be no different, except of course that the political solution will have to be more drastic because the economic problems are so severe.Richard_Nabavi said:
And yet the Leavers assure us that there will be ever-closer union whereby the Eurozone countries will be able to gang up, integrate further, and boss us around whether we like it or not.BenedictWhite said:It keeps limping on. Like a wounded animal. With no vet to put it down. Left to die a long horrible death.
In other news, Juncker wants an EU army to "react more credibly to the threat to peace in a member state or in a neighbouring state".
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Except by the time of the next General Election the leading Remainer will already be gone come what may. Within a decade or so the rest of the leading Remainers will be gone too. Think who we still have left from leading figures of 2006 around today? Nearly nobody in the 2006 Cabinet is still in the Labour Cabinet today.SeanT said:
He's just reiterating what I said yesterday. Following the inevitable REMAIN win, the REMAINIACS (most especially in the Tory party) will own the EU. Defending the EU will have to be their thing, what they do, their speciality and metier, after all - they persuaded us to STAY. So they will have to explain why an EU army, EU taxes, EU hatred of kettles and Queens is good. No more pretending to be a bit UKIPPY.Scott_P said:
Hugo Rifkind has a good article in The Times about what he calls "banter", by which he means politicians espousing views they don't really believe.edmundintokyo said:Tory voters seem to be prepared to follow their leadership. You have to wonder what British politics would look like if mainstream Tories had spent the last 25 years actually standing up for what they believed in instead of pretending to agree with the populist right.
He predicts this referendum should see it's end
That will be tackling the banter. It’s got to go, even if that means some Tories go with it. If nothing else, it simply won’t work any more. No longer will ministers be able to score easy points by pandering to an insidious, tolerated ideal of a Britain that goes it alone. No longer will they be able to keep the party’s right away from Ukip by intimating, albeit with coy and smirking deniability, that they’re all on the same side. They aren’t. They never were, and finally they’ll have to be honest about it. The banter boat has sailed.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/from-now-on-theres-no-room-for-tory-banter-lsctj5j76
There's no getting round this. Every single shitty thing the EU does will be hung round their treacherous necks, like those signs they draped over shamed academics in the Chinese Cultural Revolution, just before they got kicked to death by the kids.0 -
Given it is a phone poll which favours Remain, I would venture the result will be closer to 55 45 than 60 40RobD said:
Alternatively, they back remain and it becomes 58/42, which seems a lot more comfortable.HYUFD said:
So if the 3% who are don't know back Leave we have 55 45 Remain, an exact repeat of indyref!TheScreamingEagles said:ORB Poll for the Telegraph
Remain 55 (nc)
Leave 42 (+2)
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Erm, much of the 2006 Labour Cabinet were still the cabinet in 2010. And the Chancellor in 2006 was the PM in 2010....Philip_Thompson said:
Except by the time of the next General Election the leading Remainer will already be gone come what may. Within a decade or so the rest of the leading Remainers will be gone too. Think who we still have left from leading figures of 2006 around today? Nearly nobody in the 2006 Cabinet is still in the Labour Cabinet today.SeanT said:
He's just reiterating what I said yesterday. Following the inevitable REMAIN win, the REMAINIACS (most especially in the Tory party) will own the EU. Defending the EU will have to be their thing, what they do, their speciality and metier, after all - they persuaded us to STAY. So they will have to explain why an EU army, EU taxes, EU hatred of kettles and Queens is good. No more pretending to be a bit UKIPPY.Scott_P said:
Hugo Rifkind has a good article in The Times about what he calls "banter", by which he means politicians espousing views they don't really believe.edmundintokyo said:Tory voters seem to be prepared to follow their leadership. You have to wonder what British politics would look like if mainstream Tories had spent the last 25 years actually standing up for what they believed in instead of pretending to agree with the populist right.
He predicts this referendum should see it's end
That will be tackling the banter. It’s got to go, even if that means some Tories go with it. If nothing else, it simply won’t work any more. No longer will ministers be able to score easy points by pandering to an insidious, tolerated ideal of a Britain that goes it alone. No longer will they be able to keep the party’s right away from Ukip by intimating, albeit with coy and smirking deniability, that they’re all on the same side. They aren’t. They never were, and finally they’ll have to be honest about it. The banter boat has sailed.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/from-now-on-theres-no-room-for-tory-banter-lsctj5j76
There's no getting round this. Every single shitty thing the EU does will be hung round their treacherous necks, like those signs they draped over shamed academics in the Chinese Cultural Revolution, just before they got kicked to death by the kids.0 -
Looks like you will be becoming a UKIPnat if Remain do win!SeanT said:
It means Osborne has no chance. He is hated.Philip_Thompson said:
Except by the time of the next General Election the leading Remainer will already be gone come what may. Within a decade or so the rest of the leading Remainers will be gone too. Think who we still have left from leading figures of 2006 around today? Nearly nobody in the 2006 Cabinet is still in the Labour Cabinet today.SeanT said:
He's just reiterating what I said yesterday. Following the inevitable REMAIN win, the REMAINIACS (most especially in the Tory party) will own the EU. Defending the EU will have to be their thing, what they do, their speciality and metier, after all - they persuaded us to STAY. So they will have to explain why an EU army, EU taxes, EU hatred of kettles and Queens is good. No more pretending to be a bit UKIPPY.Scott_P said:
Hugo Rifkind has a good article in The Times about what he calls "banter", by which he means politicians espousing views they don't really believe.edmundintokyo said:Tory voters seem to be prepared to follow their leadership. You have to wonder what British politics would look like if mainstream Tories had spent the last 25 years actually standing up for what they believed in instead of pretending to agree with the populist right.
He predicts this referendum should see it's end
That will b boat has sailed.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/from-now-on-theres-no-room-for-tory-banter-lsctj5j76
There's no getting round this. Every single shitty thing the EU does will be hung round their treacherous necks, like those signs they draped over shamed academics in the Chinese Cultural Revolution, just before they got kicked to death by the kids.
And I finally understand. I hate them, too: I hate everyone who votes for this fucking piece of shit EU. I hate these quisling pigs. TSE, Nabavi. Meeks. Hate them.
The Tories are the worse. But I cordially despise every pb REMAINIAC, I loathe them for the traitors they are. I HATE THEM.
I surprise myself by the sincerity and fierceness of my emotion. I guess it touches something atavistic and primordial: nationalism, identity, tribality, macho basic hominid stuff. I have become a frenzied Cybernat. It's not nice. Indeed it is ugly. Horrible.
Either way, this is really what I feel. Hatred. I will never meet a known PB REMAINIAC in person, ever, for fear I will smash them in the head. They turned on their own country. They are traitors. My only wish is that their every hope is turned to dust, in time.0
