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System · May 2016

politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » The polling that suggests Corbyn is unassailable discussed in the latest PB/Polling Matters podcast

On this week’s show, Keiran and Rob analyse YouGov’s recent polling of Labour members and what’s behind Jeremy Corbyn’s seemingly unassailable position as Labour leader.

Read the full story here

TheScreamingEagles · May 2016

Stop ruining test cricket you [censored] morons

https://twitter.com/SkySportsNewsHQ/status/733032774735699971

Sandpit · May 2016

2nd like Liverpool tonight?

tlg86 · May 2016

Liverpool 9-1 for the Premier League next season. If Klopp is all that he should take Liverpool close given they won't have European football.

FrancisUrquhart · May 2016

TheScreamingEagles said:
Stop ruining test cricket you [censored] morons

https://twitter.com/SkySportsNewsHQ/status/733032774735699971

As Mrs bucket would say utter bollocks.

Sunil_Prasannan · May 2016

TheScreamingEagles said:
Stop ruining test cricket you [censored] morons

https://twitter.com/SkySportsNewsHQ/status/733032774735699971

https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/732785721145188352

MaxPB · May 2016

FPT:

BenedictWhite said:

MaxPB said:

BenedictWhite said:

stodge said:
Evening all

First, thanks to Cyclefree for an excellent thoughtful piece. It brings some interesting new dimensions to a debate which has become increasingly sterile and ill-tempered on here in recent days.

My view has long been that LEAVE doesn't have to spell out the future but REMAIN does. LEAVE is in effect developing (though it should have done so months ago) a series of negotiating positions with regard to the withdrawal of Britain from the EU. Team LEAVE should have sat down and worked out its red lines - control of our borders, free trade perhaps - and those areas where compromise was possible.

REMAIN has the problem not so much of defending the status quo but defending the unknown i.e: the future. I have come to the LEAVE camp because I can no longer accept the mantra from the Conservative, Labour and Liberal Democrat parties that it is possible for the EU to be reformed from within.

Whether the EU doesn't want to reform or it does but it doesn't know how doesn't really matter. Successive British Governments have tried engagement (Blair), non-engagement (Major) and flouncing (Cameron) but none have achieved more than transitory successes which are soon watered down or flatly ignored.

Why will the future, if we vote to REMAIN, be any different from the past or present ?
Streuth Stodge.

I am surprised that you, I and Richard Tyndal are all on the same side of any argument!

Perhaps we should start a party?

We'd call it something like "UKIP with brains" or similar.
How about the "British Liberal Party - This time we're actually liberal"?

I'd join and donate the same £100 per year!
We would have to sort out where we stood on immigration.

We'd also have to storm and occupy the National Liberal club, it is a rather nice club to have after all.

Any person is free to come to the UK, they will have no access to the NHS or benefits system until they achieve residency. To access healthcare while non-resident a mandatory insurance policy must be purchased or provided by one's employer, this is on top of NICs and can be purchased from the NHS. It's really that simple. That way low skilled/low paid people won't bother as employers will face increased costs for employing someone from overseas or coming to the UK won't be workable on a low wage. Highly skilled people are not discouraged.

FrancisUrquhart · May 2016

Rod Liddle suspended from labour party for anti-anti-sementic remarks..

AlastairMeeks · May 2016

FPT @Richard_Nabavi When people start telling me what I really think, I find it liberating to tell them what I really think. The two don't marry up much, of course.

Sandpit · May 2016

tlg86 said:
Liverpool 9-1 for the Premier League next season. If Klopp is all that he should take Liverpool close given they won't have European football.

Shouldn't we only be betting above 1000/1 for the Premier League?

Paul_Bedfordshire · May 2016

If you want to get 5000-1 you will need to bet on a team that is not in the premier league in future and even then you might not get those odds........

MikeK · May 2016

FrancisUrquhart said:
Rod Liddle suspended from labour party for anti-anti-sementic remarks..

Spoof or link,
otherwise you stink!
What is sementic anyway?

FrancisUrquhart · May 2016

I see the campaigning academic & wife of danny Cohen has got a gig at itv news despite no TV presenting experience...going to be interesting to see how she manages to keep her pretty far left views in check for the old impartiality rules.

FrancisUrquhart · May 2016

MikeK said:

FrancisUrquhart said:
Rod Liddle suspended from labour party for anti-anti-sementic remarks..
Spoof or link,
otherwise you stink!
What is sementic anyway?

F##king SwiftKey....it keeps doing his bollocks. Deeply unimpressed by the tech having tried it out. Hopefully gboard gets UK release soon.

Link on previous thread.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/7159998/Rod-Liddle-suspended-from-Labour-party-for-saying-anti-semitism-is-rife-among-Muslims.html

Big_G_NorthWales · May 2016

tlg86 said:
Liverpool 9-1 for the Premier League next season. If Klopp is all that he should take Liverpool close given they won't have European football.

Neither will they have their top players without European football and they won't attract any either

runnymede · May 2016

The great City figure Stanislas Yassukovich on why claims the City will suffer after Brexit are wrong

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/05/18/money-not-eu-membership-is-the-citys-central-tenet/

rcs1000 · May 2016

MaxPB said:
FPT:

BenedictWhite said:

MaxPB said:

BenedictWhite said:

stodge said:
Evening all

First, thanks to Cyclefree for an excellent thoughtful piece. It brings some interesting new dimensions to a debate which has become increasingly sterile and ill-tempered on here in recent days.

My view has long been that LEAVE doesn't have to spell out the future but REMAIN does. LEAVE is in effect developing (though it should have done so months ago) a series of negotiating positions with regard to the withdrawal of Britain from the EU. Team LEAVE should have sat down and worked out its red lines - control of our borders, free trade perhaps - and those areas where compromise was possible.

REMAIN has the problem not so much of defending the status quo but defending the unknown i.e: the future. I have come to the LEAVE camp because I can no longer accept the mantra from the Conservative, Labour and Liberal Democrat parties that it is possible for the EU to be reformed from within.

Whether the EU doesn't want to reform or it does but it doesn't know how doesn't really matter. Successive British Governments have tried engagement (Blair), non-engagement (Major) and flouncing (Cameron) but none have achieved more than transitory successes which are soon watered down or flatly ignored.

Why will the future, if we vote to REMAIN, be any different from the past or present ?
Streuth Stodge.

I am surprised that you, I and Richard Tyndal are all on the same side of any argument!

Perhaps we should start a party?

We'd call it something like "UKIP with brains" or similar.
How about the "British Liberal Party - This time we're actually liberal"?

I'd join and donate the same £100 per year!
We would have to sort out where we stood on immigration.

We'd also have to storm and occupy the National Liberal club, it is a rather nice club to have after all.
Any person is free to come to the UK, they will have no access to the NHS or benefits system until they achieve residency. To access healthcare while non-resident a mandatory insurance policy must be purchased or provided by one's employer, this is on top of NICs and can be purchased from the NHS. It's really that simple. That way low skilled/low paid people won't bother as employers will face increased costs for employing someone from overseas or coming to the UK won't be workable on a low wage. Highly skilled people are not discouraged.

It avoids beauracracy, it's raises money for the treasury, and (most importantly) it doesn't distort price signals in the way that quota systems do.

Really, what's not to like?

Edit to add: if you wish to stay more than three months in the UK, you need to purchase compulsory health care insurance.

TheScreamingEagles · May 2016

Netflix and Amazon’s video streaming services could be forced to devote “at least” 20 per cent of their catalogues to European films and TV shows as part of an overhaul of the EU’s broadcasting rules.

Under a Brussels plan to be unveiled next week, video-on-demand groups would also be obliged to “ensure prominence” of any European works, potentially forcing them to replace valuable space on their homepages given to Hollywood blockbusters with French cinema.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4798d428-1d19-11e6-b286-cddde55ca122.html#axzz492lwuKFC

rcs1000 · May 2016

TheScreamingEagles said:
Netflix and Amazon’s video streaming services could be forced to devote “at least” 20 per cent of their catalogues to European films and TV shows as part of an overhaul of the EU’s broadcasting rules.

Under a Brussels plan to be unveiled next week, video-on-demand groups would also be obliged to “ensure prominence” of any European works, potentially forcing them to replace valuable space on their homepages given to Hollywood blockbusters with French cinema.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4798d428-1d19-11e6-b286-cddde55ca122.html#axzz492lwuKFC

Phew. Just when I was considering abstaining, this comes along.

weejonnie · May 2016

FrancisUrquhart said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
Stop ruining test cricket you [censored] morons

https://twitter.com/SkySportsNewsHQ/status/733032774735699971
As Mrs bucket would say utter bollocks.

I sometimes feel that the points awarded in a drawn match should not be equally split. If there are 12 at stake then they should be awarded according to the probability of each side winning. So if, for instance, one team is 8 wickets down and 200 runs behind the points might be awarded 1-11.

TheScreamingEagles · May 2016

Brian Coleman is on twitter

https://twitter.com/BrianColeman251

Richard_Nabavi · May 2016

AlastairMeeks said:
FPT @Richard_Nabavi When people start telling me what I really think, I find it liberating to tell them what I really think. The two don't marry up much, of course.

What makes this particularly amusing is that I'd already told them. But apparently they know what I think but I don't.

AnneJGP · May 2016

@Cyclefree A pity your excellent thread header couldn't stay up longer for further discussion. Bit of a waste. (Like the EU)

TheScreamingEagles · May 2016

rcs1000 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
Netflix and Amazon’s video streaming services could be forced to devote “at least” 20 per cent of their catalogues to European films and TV shows as part of an overhaul of the EU’s broadcasting rules.

Under a Brussels plan to be unveiled next week, video-on-demand groups would also be obliged to “ensure prominence” of any European works, potentially forcing them to replace valuable space on their homepages given to Hollywood blockbusters with French cinema.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4798d428-1d19-11e6-b286-cddde55ca122.html#axzz492lwuKFC
Phew. Just when I was considering abstaining, this comes along.

Another story that will shock you to your core and back Leave

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/7157677/Vile-romp-rumours-being-spread-about-Brexit-leader-Boris-Johnsons-spouse-in-attempt-to-bring-down-Leave-campaign.html

rcs1000 · May 2016

runnymede said:
The great City figure Stanislas Yassukovich on why claims the City will suffer after Brexit are wrong

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/05/18/money-not-eu-membership-is-the-citys-central-tenet/

Errrr... I've been in the city for over two decades, and I've never heard of him. For people in the city who produce generally excellent Brexit analysis, can I recommend Albert Edwards of ( believe it or not) Societe Generale.

FrancisUrquhart · May 2016

TheScreamingEagles said:
Netflix and Amazon’s video streaming services could be forced to devote “at least” 20 per cent of their catalogues to European films and TV shows as part of an overhaul of the EU’s broadcasting rules.

Under a Brussels plan to be unveiled next week, video-on-demand groups would also be obliged to “ensure prominence” of any European works, potentially forcing them to replace valuable space on their homepages given to Hollywood blockbusters with French cinema.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4798d428-1d19-11e6-b286-cddde55ca122.html#axzz492lwuKFC

https://twitter.com/andrewbloch/status/732955563932409856

Richard_Nabavi · May 2016

rcs1000 said:

runnymede said:
The great City figure Stanislas Yassukovich on why claims the City will suffer after Brexit are wrong

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/05/18/money-not-eu-membership-is-the-citys-central-tenet/
Errrr... I've been in the city for over two decades, and I've never heard of him. For people in the city who produce generally excellent Brexit analysis, can I recommend Albert Edwards of ( believe it or not) Societe Generale.

Albert Edwards is as mad as a hatter.

But well worth reading!

Plato_Says · May 2016

https://twitter.com/TheSun/status/733043471800487936

runnymede · May 2016

rcs1000 said:

runnymede said:
The great City figure Stanislas Yassukovich on why claims the City will suffer after Brexit are wrong

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/05/18/money-not-eu-membership-is-the-citys-central-tenet/
Errrr... I've been in the city for over two decades, and I've never heard of him. For people in the city who produce generally excellent Brexit analysis, can I recommend Albert Edwards of ( believe it or not) Societe Generale.

Stanislas Yassukovich was one of the greats of the Eurobond market. He is getting on a bit now but he has a very good feel for the long-run historical and cultural factors that have driven the City's ups and downs.

Moses_ · May 2016

TheScreamingEagles said:
Time to make Alastair Meeks the next Governor of the Bank of England

The more interesting headline is underneath. Bill to give parliament supremacy over EU courts killed.

.....and so it begins

DecrepitJohnL · May 2016

TheScreamingEagles said:
Netflix and Amazon’s video streaming services could be forced to devote “at least” 20 per cent of their catalogues to European films and TV shows as part of an overhaul of the EU’s broadcasting rules.

Under a Brussels plan to be unveiled next week, video-on-demand groups would also be obliged to “ensure prominence” of any European works, potentially forcing them to replace valuable space on their homepages given to Hollywood blockbusters with French cinema.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4798d428-1d19-11e6-b286-cddde55ca122.html#axzz492lwuKFC

That's two more companies for Remain, then.

BenedictWhite · May 2016

MaxPB said:
FPT:

BenedictWhite said:

MaxPB said:

BenedictWhite said:

stodge said:
Evening all

First, thanks to Cyclefree for an excellent thoughtful piece. It brings some interesting new dimensions to a debate which has become increasingly sterile and ill-tempered on here in recent days.

My view has long been that LEAVE doesn't have to spell out the future but REMAIN does. LEAVE is in effect developing (though it should have done so months ago) a series of negotiating positions with regard to the withdrawal of Britain from the EU. Team LEAVE should have sat down and worked out its red lines - control of our borders, free trade perhaps - and those areas where compromise was possible.

REMAIN has the problem not so much of defending the status quo but defending the unknown i.e: the future. I have come to the LEAVE camp because I can no longer accept the mantra from the Conservative, Labour and Liberal Democrat parties that it is possible for the EU to be reformed from within.

Whether the EU doesn't want to reform or it does but it doesn't know how doesn't really matter. Successive British Governments have tried engagement (Blair), non-engagement (Major) and flouncing (Cameron) but none have achieved more than transitory successes which are soon watered down or flatly ignored.

Why will the future, if we vote to REMAIN, be any different from the past or present ?
Streuth Stodge.

I am surprised that you, I and Richard Tyndal are all on the same side of any argument!

Perhaps we should start a party?

We'd call it something like "UKIP with brains" or similar.
How about the "British Liberal Party - This time we're actually liberal"?

I'd join and donate the same £100 per year!
We would have to sort out where we stood on immigration.

We'd also have to storm and occupy the National Liberal club, it is a rather nice club to have after all.
Any person is free to come to the UK, they will have no access to the NHS or benefits system until they achieve residency. To access healthcare while non-resident a mandatory insurance policy must be purchased or provided by one's employer, this is on top of NICs and can be purchased from the NHS. It's really that simple. That way low skilled/low paid people won't bother as employers will face increased costs for employing someone from overseas or coming to the UK won't be workable on a low wage. Highly skilled people are not discouraged.

That's workable, If an employer really needs that IT specialist etc, they can pay for them. They'd probably try harder to train them mind....

But we wouldn't have as you say low skilled jobs being undercut all the time.

There's mileage in a party after all... Stodge, do you sign up? What about Richard?

BenedictWhite · May 2016

rcs1000 said:

MaxPB said:
FPT:

BenedictWhite said:

MaxPB said:

BenedictWhite said:

Streuth Stodge.

I am surprised that you, I and Richard Tyndal are all on the same side of any argument!

Perhaps we should start a party?

We'd call it something like "UKIP with brains" or similar.
How about the "British Liberal Party - This time we're actually liberal"?

I'd join and donate the same £100 per year!
We would have to sort out where we stood on immigration.

We'd also have to storm and occupy the National Liberal club, it is a rather nice club to have after all.
Any person is free to come to the UK, they will have no access to the NHS or benefits system until they achieve residency. To access healthcare while non-resident a mandatory insurance policy must be purchased or provided by one's employer, this is on top of NICs and can be purchased from the NHS. It's really that simple. That way low skilled/low paid people won't bother as employers will face increased costs for employing someone from overseas or coming to the UK won't be workable on a low wage. Highly skilled people are not discouraged.
It avoids beauracracy, it's raises money for the treasury, and (most importantly) it doesn't distort price signals in the way that quota systems do.

Really, what's not to like?

Edit to add: if you wish to stay more than three months in the UK, you need to purchase compulsory health care insurance.

Migration policy sorted,

Permenent right to remain and naturalisation next.

Then free trade.

BenedictWhite · May 2016

TheScreamingEagles said:
Netflix and Amazon’s video streaming services could be forced to devote “at least” 20 per cent of their catalogues to European films and TV shows as part of an overhaul of the EU’s broadcasting rules.

Under a Brussels plan to be unveiled next week, video-on-demand groups would also be obliged to “ensure prominence” of any European works, potentially forcing them to replace valuable space on their homepages given to Hollywood blockbusters with French cinema.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4798d428-1d19-11e6-b286-cddde55ca122.html#axzz492lwuKFC

See?

Their nuts.

You still for remain?

rcs1000 · May 2016

Plato_Says said:
https://twitter.com/TheSun/status/733043471800487936

Who's the Prem Ace???

TheScreamingEagles · May 2016

rcs1000 said:

Plato_Says said:
https://twitter.com/TheSun/status/733043471800487936
Who's the Prem Ace???

Wilfred Bony

BenedictWhite · May 2016

rcs1000 said:

runnymede said:
The great City figure Stanislas Yassukovich on why claims the City will suffer after Brexit are wrong

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/05/18/money-not-eu-membership-is-the-citys-central-tenet/
Errrr... I've been in the city for over two decades, and I've never heard of him. For people in the city who produce generally excellent Brexit analysis, can I recommend Albert Edwards of ( believe it or not) Societe Generale.

Curiously hearing a French organisation wants us to leave is likely to win it for Remain. Can't think why...

MaxPB · May 2016

rcs1000 said:
It avoids beauracracy, it's raises money for the treasury, and (most importantly) it doesn't distort price signals in the way that quota systems do.

Really, what's not to like?

Edit to add: if you wish to stay more than three months in the UK, you need to purchase compulsory health care insurance.

I'd probably tie it to getting a national insurance number, easier to police.

TheScreamingEagles · May 2016

BenedictWhite said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
Netflix and Amazon’s video streaming services could be forced to devote “at least” 20 per cent of their catalogues to European films and TV shows as part of an overhaul of the EU’s broadcasting rules.

Under a Brussels plan to be unveiled next week, video-on-demand groups would also be obliged to “ensure prominence” of any European works, potentially forcing them to replace valuable space on their homepages given to Hollywood blockbusters with French cinema.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4798d428-1d19-11e6-b286-cddde55ca122.html#axzz492lwuKFC
See?

Their nuts.

You still for remain?

Your misuse of 'their' is keeping me well away from Leavers.

edmundintokyo · May 2016

Moses_ said:
TheScreamingEagles said:
Time to make Alastair Meeks the next Governor of the Bank of England

The more interesting headline is underneath. Bill to give parliament supremacy over EU courts killed.

.....and so it begins

The people who believed parliament wasn't currently sovereign, but could be made so by a bill passed by parliament, will mostly be the same people who believed Cameron was going to do a negotiation resulting in 28 member states passing a treaty in 3 months rather than the normal 10 years, to no particular benefit to themselves. If they're paying attention, Cameron will have lost them already over the renegotiation thing.

The next leader can probably reannounce these various magical things as promises for the next parliament and get a chunk of these people back in 2020. Same with the Human Rights Act thing: It's obviously bullshit, but there's a section of the electorate that really wants to believe in it, so they'll just keep delaying it and reannouncing it.

Sandpit · May 2016

BenedictWhite said:

MaxPB said:
FPT:

BenedictWhite said:

MaxPB said:

BenedictWhite said:

stodge said:
Evening all

Why will the future, if we vote to REMAIN, be any different from the past or present ?
Streuth Stodge.

I am surprised that you, I and Richard Tyndal are all on the same side of any argument!

Perhaps we should start a party?

We'd call it something like "UKIP with brains" or similar.
How about the "British Liberal Party - This time we're actually liberal"?

I'd join and donate the same £100 per year!
We would have to sort out where we stood on immigration.

We'd also have to storm and occupy the National Liberal club, it is a rather nice club to have after all.
Any person is free to come to the UK, they will have no access to the NHS or benefits system until they achieve residency. To access healthcare while non-resident a mandatory insurance policy must be purchased or provided by one's employer, this is on top of NICs and can be purchased from the NHS. It's really that simple. That way low skilled/low paid people won't bother as employers will face increased costs for employing someone from overseas or coming to the UK won't be workable on a low wage. Highly skilled people are not discouraged.
That's workable, If an employer really needs that IT specialist etc, they can pay for them. They'd probably try harder to train them mind....

But we wouldn't have as you say low skilled jobs being undercut all the time.

There's mileage in a party after all... Stodge, do you sign up? What about Richard?

Yes, this was discussed a couple of weeks ago on here. Something like a £5k per annum fee (per person, including children) and no entitlement to in-work or housing benefits would set an effective minimum salary for a singleton of around £35k pa and for a family around £55k, higher in London. It would not only raise money directly but discourage low skilled immigration and encourage employers to invest in training staff rather than hiring cheaply from abroad.

rcs1000 · May 2016

BenedictWhite said:

rcs1000 said:

MaxPB said:
FPT:

BenedictWhite said:

MaxPB said:

BenedictWhite said:

Streuth Stodge.

I am surprised that you, I and Richard Tyndal are all on the same side of any argument!

Perhaps we should start a party?

We'd call it something like "UKIP with brains" or similar.
How about the "British Liberal Party - This time we're actually liberal"?

I'd join and donate the same £100 per year!
We would have to sort out where we stood on immigration.

We'd also have to storm and occupy the National Liberal club, it is a rather nice club to have after all.
Any person is free to come to the UK, they will have no access to the NHS or benefits system until they achieve residency. To access healthcare while non-resident a mandatory insurance policy must be purchased or provided by one's employer, this is on top of NICs and can be purchased from the NHS. It's really that simple. That way low skilled/low paid people won't bother as employers will face increased costs for employing someone from overseas or coming to the UK won't be workable on a low wage. Highly skilled people are not discouraged.
It avoids beauracracy, it's raises money for the treasury, and (most importantly) it doesn't distort price signals in the way that quota systems do.

Really, what's not to like?

Edit to add: if you wish to stay more than three months in the UK, you need to purchase compulsory health care insurance.
Migration policy sorted,

Permenent right to remain and naturalisation next.

Then free trade.

There's another joy about my plan (which has been adopted by MaxPB and others); if economic times are tough, just raise the cost of compulsory health insurance, and ensure a negative flow of migrants.

edmundintokyo · May 2016

MaxPB said:
FPT:

BenedictWhite said:

MaxPB said:

BenedictWhite said:

stodge said:
Evening all

First, thanks to Cyclefree for an excellent thoughtful piece. It brings some interesting new dimensions to a debate which has become increasingly sterile and ill-tempered on here in recent days.

My view has long been that LEAVE doesn't have to spell out the future but REMAIN does. LEAVE is in effect developing (though it should have done so months ago) a series of negotiating positions with regard to the withdrawal of Britain from the EU. Team LEAVE should have sat down and worked out its red lines - control of our borders, free trade perhaps - and those areas where compromise was possible.

REMAIN has the problem not so much of defending the status quo but defending the unknown i.e: the future. I have come to the LEAVE camp because I can no longer accept the mantra from the Conservative, Labour and Liberal Democrat parties that it is possible for the EU to be reformed from within.

Whether the EU doesn't want to reform or it does but it doesn't know how doesn't really matter. Successive British Governments have tried engagement (Blair), non-engagement (Major) and flouncing (Cameron) but none have achieved more than transitory successes which are soon watered down or flatly ignored.

Why will the future, if we vote to REMAIN, be any different from the past or present ?
Streuth Stodge.

I am surprised that you, I and Richard Tyndal are all on the same side of any argument!

Perhaps we should start a party?

We'd call it something like "UKIP with brains" or similar.
How about the "British Liberal Party - This time we're actually liberal"?

I'd join and donate the same £100 per year!
We would have to sort out where we stood on immigration.

We'd also have to storm and occupy the National Liberal club, it is a rather nice club to have after all.
Any person is free to come to the UK, they will have no access to the NHS or benefits system until they achieve residency. To access healthcare while non-resident a mandatory insurance policy must be purchased or provided by one's employer, this is on top of NICs and can be purchased from the NHS. It's really that simple. That way low skilled/low paid people won't bother as employers will face increased costs for employing someone from overseas or coming to the UK won't be workable on a low wage. Highly skilled people are not discouraged.

Healthcare is one of the things you get in exchange for paying tax in Britain, presumably immigrants will get a lower tax rate in return?

BenedictWhite · May 2016

TheScreamingEagles said:

BenedictWhite said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
Netflix and Amazon’s video streaming services could be forced to devote “at least” 20 per cent of their catalogues to European films and TV shows as part of an overhaul of the EU’s broadcasting rules.

Under a Brussels plan to be unveiled next week, video-on-demand groups would also be obliged to “ensure prominence” of any European works, potentially forcing them to replace valuable space on their homepages given to Hollywood blockbusters with French cinema.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4798d428-1d19-11e6-b286-cddde55ca122.html#axzz492lwuKFC
See?

Their nuts.

You still for remain?
Your misuse of 'their' is keeping me well away from Leavers.

Oh really? They're nuts?

Better now?

Or do you still not see the problem? There is no level of lunacy that the EU will not jump to suit a protectionist mindset. It hurts Europe and the rest of the worlds poor, It doesn't hurt Hollywood much though.

rcs1000 · May 2016

BenedictWhite said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
Netflix and Amazon’s video streaming services could be forced to devote “at least” 20 per cent of their catalogues to European films and TV shows as part of an overhaul of the EU’s broadcasting rules.

Under a Brussels plan to be unveiled next week, video-on-demand groups would also be obliged to “ensure prominence” of any European works, potentially forcing them to replace valuable space on their homepages given to Hollywood blockbusters with French cinema.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4798d428-1d19-11e6-b286-cddde55ca122.html#axzz492lwuKFC
See?

Their nuts.

You still for remain?

"Their"????

edmundintokyo · May 2016

rcs1000 said:

BenedictWhite said:

rcs1000 said:

MaxPB said:
FPT:

BenedictWhite said:

MaxPB said:

BenedictWhite said:

Streuth Stodge.

I am surprised that you, I and Richard Tyndal are all on the same side of any argument!

Perhaps we should start a party?

We'd call it something like "UKIP with brains" or similar.
How about the "British Liberal Party - This time we're actually liberal"?

I'd join and donate the same £100 per year!
We would have to sort out where we stood on immigration.

We'd also have to storm and occupy the National Liberal club, it is a rather nice club to have after all.
Any person is free to come to the UK, they will have no access to the NHS or benefits system until they achieve residency. To access healthcare while non-resident a mandatory insurance policy must be purchased or provided by one's employer, this is on top of NICs and can be purchased from the NHS. It's really that simple. That way low skilled/low paid people won't bother as employers will face increased costs for employing someone from overseas or coming to the UK won't be workable on a low wage. Highly skilled people are not discouraged.
It avoids beauracracy, it's raises money for the treasury, and (most importantly) it doesn't distort price signals in the way that quota systems do.

Really, what's not to like?

Edit to add: if you wish to stay more than three months in the UK, you need to purchase compulsory health care insurance.
Migration policy sorted,

Permenent right to remain and naturalisation next.

Then free trade.
There's another joy about my plan (which has been adopted by MaxPB and others); if economic times are tough, just raise the cost of compulsory health insurance, and ensure a negative flow of migrants.

Economically this sounds equivalent to a flat-rate immigrant poll tax, except more expensive to administer.

MaxPB · May 2016

BenedictWhite said:

rcs1000 said:

MaxPB said:
FPT:

BenedictWhite said:

MaxPB said:

BenedictWhite said:

Streuth Stodge.

I am surprised that you, I and Richard Tyndal are all on the same side of any argument!

Perhaps we should start a party?

We'd call it something like "UKIP with brains" or similar.
How about the "British Liberal Party - This time we're actually liberal"?

I'd join and donate the same £100 per year!
We would have to sort out where we stood on immigration.

We'd also have to storm and occupy the National Liberal club, it is a rather nice club to have after all.
Any person is free to come to the UK, they will have no access to the NHS or benefits system until they achieve residency. To access healthcare while non-resident a mandatory insurance policy must be purchased or provided by one's employer, this is on top of NICs and can be purchased from the NHS. It's really that simple. That way low skilled/low paid people won't bother as employers will face increased costs for employing someone from overseas or coming to the UK won't be workable on a low wage. Highly skilled people are not discouraged.
It avoids beauracracy, it's raises money for the treasury, and (most importantly) it doesn't distort price signals in the way that quota systems do.

Really, what's not to like?

Edit to add: if you wish to stay more than three months in the UK, you need to purchase compulsory health care insurance.
Migration policy sorted,

Permenent right to remain and naturalisation next.

Then free trade.

Mandatory English tests to become a naturalised citizen and take an oath of allegiance which, if broken can result in revocation of one's citizenship.

Free trade is easy, deep liberalisation of market sectors rather than regional deals. Move to global minimum standards for WTO members on a sector by sector basis rather than big and long winded regional deals like the TPP or TTIP. These would eliminate all NTBs within a given sector once agreed.

Richard_Nabavi · May 2016

rcs1000 said:
There's another joy about my plan (which has been adopted by MaxPB and others); if economic times are tough, just raise the cost of compulsory health insurance, and ensure a negative flow of migrants.

And then Goldman Sachs could wrap bundles of these health insurance costs into a futures derivative, which could be freely traded in London. That would bring extra revenues into the City and allow those with early access to the Ipsos MORI monthly monitor a chance to make a killing.

As you say, what's not to like?

BenedictWhite · May 2016

Sandpit said:

BenedictWhite said:

MaxPB said:
FPT:

BenedictWhite said:

MaxPB said:

BenedictWhite said:

stodge said:
Evening all

Why will the future, if we vote to REMAIN, be any different from the past or present ?
Streuth Stodge.

I am surprised that you, I and Richard Tyndal are all on the same side of any argument!

Perhaps we should start a party?

We'd call it something like "UKIP with brains" or similar.
How about the "British Liberal Party - This time we're actually liberal"?

I'd join and donate the same £100 per year!
We would have to sort out where we stood on immigration.

We'd also have to storm and occupy the National Liberal club, it is a rather nice club to have after all.
Any person is free to come to the UK, they will have no access to the NHS or benefits system until they achieve residency. To access healthcare while non-resident a mandatory insurance policy must be purchased or provided by one's employer, this is on top of NICs and can be purchased from the NHS. It's really that simple. That way low skilled/low paid people won't bother as employers will face increased costs for employing someone from overseas or coming to the UK won't be workable on a low wage. Highly skilled people are not discouraged.
That's workable, If an employer really needs that IT specialist etc, they can pay for them. They'd probably try harder to train them mind....

But we wouldn't have as you say low skilled jobs being undercut all the time.

There's mileage in a party after all... Stodge, do you sign up? What about Richard?
Yes, this was discussed a couple of weeks ago on here. Something like a £5k per annum fee (per person, including children) and no entitlement to in-work or housing benefits would set an effective minimum salary for a singleton of around £35k pa and for a family around £55k, higher in London. It would not only raise money directly but discourage low skilled immigration and encourage employers to invest in training staff rather than hiring cheaply from abroad.

I was slightly worried I thought the £5K per year was for party membership.. Cripes. A bit high.

Then I read the rest. Phew.

But yes that looks workable.

TheScreamingEagles · May 2016

Remain up to 76% on Betfair.

Roger · May 2016

TheScreamingEagles said:

rcs1000 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
Netflix and Amazon’s video streaming services could be forced to devote “at least” 20 per cent of their catalogues to European films and TV shows as part of an overhaul of the EU’s broadcasting rules.

Under a Brussels plan to be unveiled next week, video-on-demand groups would also be obliged to “ensure prominence” of any European works, potentially forcing them to replace valuable space on their homepages given to Hollywood blockbusters with French cinema.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4798d428-1d19-11e6-b286-cddde55ca122.html#axzz492lwuKFC
Phew. Just when I was considering abstaining, this comes along.
Another story that will shock you to your core and back Leave

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/7157677/Vile-romp-rumours-being-spread-about-Brexit-leader-Boris-Johnsons-spouse-in-attempt-to-bring-down-Leave-campaign.html

If I'm on the opposite side to The Sun I know I'm on the right path as Long John Baldry almost said

MaxPB · May 2016

edmundintokyo said:

MaxPB said:
FPT:

BenedictWhite said:

MaxPB said:

BenedictWhite said:

stodge said:
Evening all

First, thanks to Cyclefree for an excellent thoughtful piece. It brings some interesting new dimensions to a debate which has become increasingly sterile and ill-tempered on here in recent days.

My view has long been that LEAVE doesn't have to spell out the future but REMAIN does. LEAVE is in effect developing (though it should have done so months ago) a series of negotiating positions with regard to the withdrawal of Britain from the EU. Team LEAVE should have sat down and worked out its red lines - control of our borders, free trade perhaps - and those areas where compromise was possible.

REMAIN has the problem not so much of defending the status quo but defending the unknown i.e: the future. I have come to the LEAVE camp because I can no longer accept the mantra from the Conservative, Labour and Liberal Democrat parties that it is possible for the EU to be reformed from within.

Whether the EU doesn't want to reform or it does but it doesn't know how doesn't really matter. Successive British Governments have tried engagement (Blair), non-engagement (Major) and flouncing (Cameron) but none have achieved more than transitory successes which are soon watered down or flatly ignored.

Why will the future, if we vote to REMAIN, be any different from the past or present ?
Streuth Stodge.

I am surprised that you, I and Richard Tyndal are all on the same side of any argument!

Perhaps we should start a party?

We'd call it something like "UKIP with brains" or similar.
How about the "British Liberal Party - This time we're actually liberal"?

I'd join and donate the same £100 per year!
We would have to sort out where we stood on immigration.

We'd also have to storm and occupy the National Liberal club, it is a rather nice club to have after all.
Any person is free to come to the UK, they will have no access to the NHS or benefits system until they achieve residency. To access healthcare while non-resident a mandatory insurance policy must be purchased or provided by one's employer, this is on top of NICs and can be purchased from the NHS. It's really that simple. That way low skilled/low paid people won't bother as employers will face increased costs for employing someone from overseas or coming to the UK won't be workable on a low wage. Highly skilled people are not discouraged.
Healthcare is one of the things you get in exchange for paying tax in Britain, presumably immigrants will get a lower tax rate in return?

No.

BenedictWhite · May 2016

rcs1000 said:

BenedictWhite said:

rcs1000 said:

MaxPB said:
FPT:

BenedictWhite said:

MaxPB said:

BenedictWhite said:

Streuth Stodge.

I am surprised that you, I and Richard Tyndal are all on the same side of any argument!

Perhaps we should start a party?

We'd call it something like "UKIP with brains" or similar.
How about the "British Liberal Party - This time we're actually liberal"?

I'd join and donate the same £100 per year!
We would have to sort out where we stood on immigration.

We'd also have to storm and occupy the National Liberal club, it is a rather nice club to have after all.
Any person is free to come to the UK, they will have no access to the NHS or benefits system until they achieve residency. To access healthcare while non-resident a mandatory insurance policy must be purchased or provided by one's employer, this is on top of NICs and can be purchased from the NHS. It's really that simple. That way low skilled/low paid people won't bother as employers will face increased costs for employing someone from overseas or coming to the UK won't be workable on a low wage. Highly skilled people are not discouraged.
It avoids beauracracy, it's raises money for the treasury, and (most importantly) it doesn't distort price signals in the way that quota systems do.

Really, what's not to like?

Edit to add: if you wish to stay more than three months in the UK, you need to purchase compulsory health care insurance.
Migration policy sorted,

Permenent right to remain and naturalisation next.

Then free trade.
There's another joy about my plan (which has been adopted by MaxPB and others); if economic times are tough, just raise the cost of compulsory health insurance, and ensure a negative flow of migrants.

There are issues with that. I don't like changing the rules after people arrive. It feels a tad EU.

Also it doesn't cover how people get the permanent right to remain. (They don't in all countries, and I am not recommending that ) or naturalisation.

BenedictWhite · May 2016

edmundintokyo said:

MaxPB said:
FPT:

BenedictWhite said:

MaxPB said:

BenedictWhite said:

stodge said:
Evening all

First, thanks to Cyclefree for an excellent thoughtful piece. It brings some interesting new dimensions to a debate which has become increasingly sterile and ill-tempered on here in recent days.

My view has long been that LEAVE doesn't have to spell out the future but REMAIN does. LEAVE is in effect developing (though it should have done so months ago) a series of negotiating positions with regard to the withdrawal of Britain from the EU. Team LEAVE should have sat down and worked out its red lines - control of our borders, free trade perhaps - and those areas where compromise was possible.

REMAIN has the problem not so much of defending the status quo but defending the unknown i.e: the future. I have come to the LEAVE camp because I can no longer accept the mantra from the Conservative, Labour and Liberal Democrat parties that it is possible for the EU to be reformed from within.

Whether the EU doesn't want to reform or it does but it doesn't know how doesn't really matter. Successive British Governments have tried engagement (Blair), non-engagement (Major) and flouncing (Cameron) but none have achieved more than transitory successes which are soon watered down or flatly ignored.

Why will the future, if we vote to REMAIN, be any different from the past or present ?
Streuth Stodge.

I am surprised that you, I and Richard Tyndal are all on the same side of any argument!

Perhaps we should start a party?

We'd call it something like "UKIP with brains" or similar.
How about the "British Liberal Party - This time we're actually liberal"?

I'd join and donate the same £100 per year!
We would have to sort out where we stood on immigration.

We'd also have to storm and occupy the National Liberal club, it is a rather nice club to have after all.
Any person is free to come to the UK, they will have no access to the NHS or benefits system until they achieve residency. To access healthcare while non-resident a mandatory insurance policy must be purchased or provided by one's employer, this is on top of NICs and can be purchased from the NHS. It's really that simple. That way low skilled/low paid people won't bother as employers will face increased costs for employing someone from overseas or coming to the UK won't be workable on a low wage. Highly skilled people are not discouraged.
Healthcare is one of the things you get in exchange for paying tax in Britain, presumably immigrants will get a lower tax rate in return?

No. They get free healthcare when they've been here for a while.

Cyclefree · May 2016

FPT: @AlistairMeeks

"It is Britain's finest achievement: making the world's most ridiculous pensions system.

As usual in life, it's more fun being the problem than solving the problem."

Ah no Mr M. Being a lawyer trying to resolve the problem at a lucrative hourly rate is MUCH more fun!

TheScreamingEagles · May 2016

BenedictWhite said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

BenedictWhite said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
Netflix and Amazon’s video streaming services could be forced to devote “at least” 20 per cent of their catalogues to European films and TV shows as part of an overhaul of the EU’s broadcasting rules.

Under a Brussels plan to be unveiled next week, video-on-demand groups would also be obliged to “ensure prominence” of any European works, potentially forcing them to replace valuable space on their homepages given to Hollywood blockbusters with French cinema.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4798d428-1d19-11e6-b286-cddde55ca122.html#axzz492lwuKFC
See?

Their nuts.

You still for remain?
Your misuse of 'their' is keeping me well away from Leavers.
Oh really? They're nuts?

Better now?

Or do you still not see the problem? There is no level of lunacy that the EU will not jump to suit a protectionist mindset. It hurts Europe and the rest of the worlds poor, It doesn't hurt Hollywood much though.

No, I refuse to engage with anyone who doesn't know the difference between, there, they're, and their.

MaxPB · May 2016

BenedictWhite said:

rcs1000 said:

BenedictWhite said:

rcs1000 said:

MaxPB said:
FPT:

BenedictWhite said:

MaxPB said:

BenedictWhite said:

Streuth Stodge.

I am surprised that you, I and Richard Tyndal are all on the same side of any argument!

Perhaps we should start a party?

We'd call it something like "UKIP with brains" or similar.
How about the "British Liberal Party - This time we're actually liberal"?

I'd join and donate the same £100 per year!
We would have to sort out where we stood on immigration.

We'd also have to storm and occupy the National Liberal club, it is a rather nice club to have after all.
Any person is free to come to the UK, they will have no access to the NHS or benefits system until they achieve residency. To access healthcare while non-resident a mandatory insurance policy must be purchased or provided by one's employer, this is on top of NICs and can be purchased from the NHS. It's really that simple. That way low skilled/low paid people won't bother as employers will face increased costs for employing someone from overseas or coming to the UK won't be workable on a low wage. Highly skilled people are not discouraged.
It avoids beauracracy, it's raises money for the treasury, and (most importantly) it doesn't distort price signals in the way that quota systems do.

Really, what's not to like?

Edit to add: if you wish to stay more than three months in the UK, you need to purchase compulsory health care insurance.
Migration policy sorted,

Permenent right to remain and naturalisation next.

Then free trade.
There's another joy about my plan (which has been adopted by MaxPB and others); if economic times are tough, just raise the cost of compulsory health insurance, and ensure a negative flow of migrants.
There are issues with that. I don't like changing the rules after people arrive. It feels a tad EU.

Also it doesn't cover how people get the permanent right to remain. (They don't in all countries, and I am not recommending that ) or naturalisation.

You would only do it for new arrivals, a person would pay the rate that was in effect when they arrived until they achieve residency.

BenedictWhite · May 2016

edmundintokyo said:

rcs1000 said:

BenedictWhite said:

rcs1000 said:

MaxPB said:
FPT:

BenedictWhite said:

MaxPB said:

BenedictWhite said:

Streuth Stodge.

I am surprised that you, I and Richard Tyndal are all on the same side of any argument!

Perhaps we should start a party?

We'd call it something like "UKIP with brains" or similar.
How about the "British Liberal Party - This time we're actually liberal"?

I'd join and donate the same £100 per year!
We would have to sort out where we stood on immigration.

We'd also have to storm and occupy the National Liberal club, it is a rather nice club to have after all.
Any person is free to come to the UK, they will have no access to the NHS or benefits system until they achieve residency. To access healthcare while non-resident a mandatory insurance policy must be purchased or provided by one's employer, this is on top of NICs and can be purchased from the NHS. It's really that simple. That way low skilled/low paid people won't bother as employers will face increased costs for employing someone from overseas or coming to the UK won't be workable on a low wage. Highly skilled people are not discouraged.
It avoids beauracracy, it's raises money for the treasury, and (most importantly) it doesn't distort price signals in the way that quota systems do.

Really, what's not to like?

Edit to add: if you wish to stay more than three months in the UK, you need to purchase compulsory health care insurance.
Migration policy sorted,

Permenent right to remain and naturalisation next.

Then free trade.
There's another joy about my plan (which has been adopted by MaxPB and others); if economic times are tough, just raise the cost of compulsory health insurance, and ensure a negative flow of migrants.
Economically this sounds equivalent to a flat-rate immigrant poll tax, except more expensive to administer.

No. You apply for a work permit, get an NI number and it's all attached to that.

MikeK · May 2016

FrancisUrquhart said:

MikeK said:

FrancisUrquhart said:
Rod Liddle suspended from labour party for anti-anti-sementic remarks..
Spoof or link,
otherwise you stink!
What is sementic anyway?
F##king SwiftKey....it keeps doing his bollocks. Deeply unimpressed by the tech having tried it out. Hopefully gboard gets UK release soon.

Link on previous thread.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/7159998/Rod-Liddle-suspended-from-Labour-party-for-saying-anti-semitism-is-rife-among-Muslims.html

You are forgiven. Give the keys a punch now and then, that'll calm them down.

MaxPB · May 2016

TheScreamingEagles said:

BenedictWhite said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

BenedictWhite said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
Netflix and Amazon’s video streaming services could be forced to devote “at least” 20 per cent of their catalogues to European films and TV shows as part of an overhaul of the EU’s broadcasting rules.

Under a Brussels plan to be unveiled next week, video-on-demand groups would also be obliged to “ensure prominence” of any European works, potentially forcing them to replace valuable space on their homepages given to Hollywood blockbusters with French cinema.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4798d428-1d19-11e6-b286-cddde55ca122.html#axzz492lwuKFC
See?

Their nuts.

You still for remain?
Your misuse of 'their' is keeping me well away from Leavers.
Oh really? They're nuts?

Better now?

Or do you still not see the problem? There is no level of lunacy that the EU will not jump to suit a protectionist mindset. It hurts Europe and the rest of the worlds poor, It doesn't hurt Hollywood much though.
No, I refuse to engage with anyone who doesn't know the difference between, there, they're, and their.

Your and You're is my bugbear. Someone wrote "you're investment value can decrease" in some of our literature once.

VapidBilge · May 2016

rcs1000 said:

Who's the Prem Ace???

Who, in ordinary English speech, uses 'ace' to describe a Premiership footballer?

BenedictWhite · May 2016

MaxPB said:

BenedictWhite said:

rcs1000 said:

MaxPB said:
FPT:

BenedictWhite said:

MaxPB said:

BenedictWhite said:

Streuth Stodge.

I am surprised that you, I and Richard Tyndal are all on the same side of any argument!

Perhaps we should start a party?

We'd call it something like "UKIP with brains" or similar.
How about the "British Liberal Party - This time we're actually liberal"?

I'd join and donate the same £100 per year!
We would have to sort out where we stood on immigration.

We'd also have to storm and occupy the National Liberal club, it is a rather nice club to have after all.
Any person is free to come to the UK, they will have no access to the NHS or benefits system until they achieve residency. To access healthcare while non-resident a mandatory insurance policy must be purchased or provided by one's employer, this is on top of NICs and can be purchased from the NHS. It's really that simple. That way low skilled/low paid people won't bother as employers will face increased costs for employing someone from overseas or coming to the UK won't be workable on a low wage. Highly skilled people are not discouraged.
It avoids beauracracy, it's raises money for the treasury, and (most importantly) it doesn't distort price signals in the way that quota systems do.

Really, what's not to like?

Edit to add: if you wish to stay more than three months in the UK, you need to purchase compulsory health care insurance.
Migration policy sorted,

Permenent right to remain and naturalisation next.

Then free trade.
Mandatory English tests to become a naturalised citizen and take an oath of allegiance which, if broken can result in revocation of one's citizenship.

Free trade is easy, deep liberalisation of market sectors rather than regional deals. Move to global minimum standards for WTO members on a sector by sector basis rather than big and long winded regional deals like the TPP or TTIP. These would eliminate all NTBs within a given sector once agreed.

I'm a bit concerned about getting rid of NTB's as they are frequently what makes say France French and Britain British. Still, some things can be removed.

MaxPB · May 2016

BenedictWhite said:

edmundintokyo said:

rcs1000 said:

BenedictWhite said:

rcs1000 said:

MaxPB said:
FPT:

BenedictWhite said:

MaxPB said:

BenedictWhite said:

Streuth Stodge.

I am surprised that you, I and Richard Tyndal are all on the same side of any argument!

Perhaps we should start a party?

We'd call it something like "UKIP with brains" or similar.
How about the "British Liberal Party - This time we're actually liberal"?

I'd join and donate the same £100 per year!
We would have to sort out where we stood on immigration.

We'd also have to storm and occupy the National Liberal club, it is a rather nice club to have after all.
Any person is free to come to the UK, they will have no access to the NHS or benefits system until they achieve residency. To access healthcare while non-resident a mandatory insurance policy must be purchased or provided by one's employer, this is on top of NICs and can be purchased from the NHS. It's really that simple. That way low skilled/low paid people won't bother as employers will face increased costs for employing someone from overseas or coming to the UK won't be workable on a low wage. Highly skilled people are not discouraged.
It avoids beauracracy, it's raises money for the treasury, and (most importantly) it doesn't distort price signals in the way that quota systems do.

Really, what's not to like?

Edit to add: if you wish to stay more than three months in the UK, you need to purchase compulsory health care insurance.
Migration policy sorted,

Permenent right to remain and naturalisation next.

Then free trade.
There's another joy about my plan (which has been adopted by MaxPB and others); if economic times are tough, just raise the cost of compulsory health insurance, and ensure a negative flow of migrants.
Economically this sounds equivalent to a flat-rate immigrant poll tax, except more expensive to administer.
No. You apply for a work permit, get an NI number and it's all attached to that.

The beauty is that we wouldn't even need a work permit system as employers become the judges of who is economically viable to bring in and who isn't. We would only need the most basic of background checks to be done to ensure that no criminals and would-be terrorists are entering.

edmundintokyo · May 2016

BenedictWhite said:

edmundintokyo said:

rcs1000 said:

BenedictWhite said:

rcs1000 said:

MaxPB said:
FPT:

BenedictWhite said:

MaxPB said:

BenedictWhite said:

Streuth Stodge.

I am surprised that you, I and Richard Tyndal are all on the same side of any argument!

Perhaps we should start a party?

We'd call it something like "UKIP with brains" or similar.
How about the "British Liberal Party - This time we're actually liberal"?

I'd join and donate the same £100 per year!
We would have to sort out where we stood on immigration.

We'd also have to storm and occupy the National Liberal club, it is a rather nice club to have after all.
Any person is free to come to the UK, they will have no access to the NHS or benefits system until they achieve residency. To access healthcare while non-resident a mandatory insurance policy must be purchased or provided by one's employer, this is on top of NICs and can be purchased from the NHS. It's really that simple. That way low skilled/low paid people won't bother as employers will face increased costs for employing someone from overseas or coming to the UK won't be workable on a low wage. Highly skilled people are not discouraged.
It avoids beauracracy, it's raises money for the treasury, and (most importantly) it doesn't distort price signals in the way that quota systems do.

Really, what's not to like?

Edit to add: if you wish to stay more than three months in the UK, you need to purchase compulsory health care insurance.
Migration policy sorted,

Permenent right to remain and naturalisation next.

Then free trade.
There's another joy about my plan (which has been adopted by MaxPB and others); if economic times are tough, just raise the cost of compulsory health insurance, and ensure a negative flow of migrants.
Economically this sounds equivalent to a flat-rate immigrant poll tax, except more expensive to administer.
No. You apply for a work permit, get an NI number and it's all attached to that.

Is that supposed to show that it's not economicaly equivalent to a flat-rate per-immigrant poll tax or is it supposed to show that it won't be more expensive to administer?

TheScreamingEagles · May 2016

MaxPB said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

BenedictWhite said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

BenedictWhite said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
Netflix and Amazon’s video streaming services could be forced to devote “at least” 20 per cent of their catalogues to European films and TV shows as part of an overhaul of the EU’s broadcasting rules.

Under a Brussels plan to be unveiled next week, video-on-demand groups would also be obliged to “ensure prominence” of any European works, potentially forcing them to replace valuable space on their homepages given to Hollywood blockbusters with French cinema.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4798d428-1d19-11e6-b286-cddde55ca122.html#axzz492lwuKFC
See?

Their nuts.

You still for remain?
Your misuse of 'their' is keeping me well away from Leavers.
Oh really? They're nuts?

Better now?

Or do you still not see the problem? There is no level of lunacy that the EU will not jump to suit a protectionist mindset. It hurts Europe and the rest of the worlds poor, It doesn't hurt Hollywood much though.
No, I refuse to engage with anyone who doesn't know the difference between, there, they're, and their.
Your and You're is my bugbear. Someone wrote "you're investment value can decrease" in some of our literature once.

Its and It's my bugbear

BenedictWhite · May 2016

TheScreamingEagles said:

BenedictWhite said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

BenedictWhite said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
Netflix and Amazon’s video streaming services could be forced to devote “at least” 20 per cent of their catalogues to European films and TV shows as part of an overhaul of the EU’s broadcasting rules.

Under a Brussels plan to be unveiled next week, video-on-demand groups would also be obliged to “ensure prominence” of any European works, potentially forcing them to replace valuable space on their homepages given to Hollywood blockbusters with French cinema.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4798d428-1d19-11e6-b286-cddde55ca122.html#axzz492lwuKFC
See?

Their nuts.

You still for remain?
Your misuse of 'their' is keeping me well away from Leavers.
Oh really? They're nuts?

Better now?

Or do you still not see the problem? There is no level of lunacy that the EU will not jump to suit a protectionist mindset. It hurts Europe and the rest of the worlds poor, It doesn't hurt Hollywood much though.
No, I refuse to engage with anyone who doesn't know the difference between, there, they're, and their.

You've engage in conversation with me before.

If you really think a typo is a defining factor you're even more small minded than I thought you were.

VapidBilge · May 2016

rcs1000 said:

runnymede said:
The great City figure Stanislas Yassukovich on why claims the City will suffer after Brexit are wrong

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/05/18/money-not-eu-membership-is-the-citys-central-tenet/
Errrr... I've been in the city for over two decades, and I've never heard of him. For people in the city who produce generally excellent Brexit analysis, can I recommend Albert Edwards of ( believe it or not) Societe Generale.

I remember him from the Eighties and the Securities Association. Around Big Bang.

Probably before your time.

Cyclefree · May 2016

TheScreamingEagles said:

BenedictWhite said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

BenedictWhite said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
Netflix and Amazon’s video streaming services could be forced to devote “at least” 20 per cent of their catalogues to European films and TV shows as part of an overhaul of the EU’s broadcasting rules.

Under a Brussels plan to be unveiled next week, video-on-demand groups would also be obliged to “ensure prominence” of any European works, potentially forcing them to replace valuable space on their homepages given to Hollywood blockbusters with French cinema.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4798d428-1d19-11e6-b286-cddde55ca122.html#axzz492lwuKFC
See?

Their nuts.

You still for remain?
Your misuse of 'their' is keeping me well away from Leavers.
Oh really? They're nuts?

Better now?

Or do you still not see the problem? There is no level of lunacy that the EU will not jump to suit a protectionist mindset. It hurts Europe and the rest of the worlds poor, It doesn't hurt Hollywood much though.
No, I refuse to engage with anyone who doesn't know the difference between, there, they're, and their.

You could give them this - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Grammar-Expletive-Novelty-Funny-Gift/dp/B00EZTDG5S/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1463608171&sr=8-9&keywords=grammar+mug

MaxPB · May 2016

BenedictWhite said:

MaxPB said:

BenedictWhite said:

rcs1000 said:

MaxPB said:
FPT:

BenedictWhite said:

MaxPB said:

BenedictWhite said:

Streuth Stodge.

I am surprised that you, I and Richard Tyndal are all on the same side of any argument!

Perhaps we should start a party?

We'd call it something like "UKIP with brains" or similar.
How about the "British Liberal Party - This time we're actually liberal"?

I'd join and donate the same £100 per year!
We would have to sort out where we stood on immigration.

We'd also have to storm and occupy the National Liberal club, it is a rather nice club to have after all.
Any person is free to come to the UK, they will have no access to the NHS or benefits system until they achieve residency. To access healthcare while non-resident a mandatory insurance policy must be purchased or provided by one's employer, this is on top of NICs and can be purchased from the NHS. It's really that simple. That way low skilled/low paid people won't bother as employers will face increased costs for employing someone from overseas or coming to the UK won't be workable on a low wage. Highly skilled people are not discouraged.
It avoids beauracracy, it's raises money for the treasury, and (most importantly) it doesn't distort price signals in the way that quota systems do.

Really, what's not to like?

Edit to add: if you wish to stay more than three months in the UK, you need to purchase compulsory health care insurance.
Migration policy sorted,

Permenent right to remain and naturalisation next.

Then free trade.
Mandatory English tests to become a naturalised citizen and take an oath of allegiance which, if broken can result in revocation of one's citizenship.

Free trade is easy, deep liberalisation of market sectors rather than regional deals. Move to global minimum standards for WTO members on a sector by sector basis rather than big and long winded regional deals like the TPP or TTIP. These would eliminate all NTBs within a given sector once agreed.
I'm a bit concerned about getting rid of NTB's as they are frequently what makes say France French and Britain British. Still, some things can be removed.

Let the consumer make the choice, if the French can make Cheddar as good as ours for less money then so be it, the same would be true for them, if we can make Camembert of the same quality as them but for less money, then we should get the chance to sell it to them, as long as the minimum standard criteria is met then I don't see the issue.

FrancisUrquhart · May 2016

MikeK said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

MikeK said:

FrancisUrquhart said:
Rod Liddle suspended from labour party for anti-anti-sementic remarks..
Spoof or link,
otherwise you stink!
What is sementic anyway?
F##king SwiftKey....it keeps doing his bollocks. Deeply unimpressed by the tech having tried it out. Hopefully gboard gets UK release soon.

Link on previous thread.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/7159998/Rod-Liddle-suspended-from-Labour-party-for-saying-anti-semitism-is-rife-among-Muslims.html
You are forgiven. Give the keys a punch now and then, that'll calm them down.

Microsoft paid $250 million for the British startup & it just doesn't bloody work. I spent more time u doing its incorrect predictions than I do typing messages.

BenedictWhite · May 2016

edmundintokyo said:

BenedictWhite said:

edmundintokyo said:

rcs1000 said:

BenedictWhite said:

rcs1000 said:

MaxPB said:
FPT:

BenedictWhite said:

MaxPB said:

BenedictWhite said:

Streuth Stodge.

I am surprised that you, I and Richard Tyndal are all on the same side of any argument!

Perhaps we should start a party?

We'd call it something like "UKIP with brains" or similar.
How about the "British Liberal Party - This time we're actually liberal"?

I'd join and donate the same £100 per year!
We would have to sort out where we stood on immigration.

We'd also have to storm and occupy the National Liberal club, it is a rather nice club to have after all.
Any person is free to come to the UK, they will have no access to the NHS or benefits system until they achieve residency. To access healthcare while non-resident a mandatory insurance policy must be purchased or provided by one's employer, this is on top of NICs and can be purchased from the NHS. It's really that simple. That way low skilled/low paid people won't bother as employers will face increased costs for employing someone from overseas or coming to the UK won't be workable on a low wage. Highly skilled people are not discouraged.
It avoids beauracracy, it's raises money for the treasury, and (most importantly) it doesn't distort price signals in the way that quota systems do.

Really, what's not to like?

Edit to add: if you wish to stay more than three months in the UK, you need to purchase compulsory health care insurance.
Migration policy sorted,

Permenent right to remain and naturalisation next.

Then free trade.
There's another joy about my plan (which has been adopted by MaxPB and others); if economic times are tough, just raise the cost of compulsory health insurance, and ensure a negative flow of migrants.
Economically this sounds equivalent to a flat-rate immigrant poll tax, except more expensive to administer.
No. You apply for a work permit, get an NI number and it's all attached to that.
Is that supposed to show that it's not economicaly equivalent to a flat-rate per-immigrant poll tax or is it supposed to show that it won't be more expensive to administer?

The latter, I am not fused at how it looks to some.

Mortimer · May 2016

edmundintokyo said:

MaxPB said:
FPT:

BenedictWhite said:

MaxPB said:

BenedictWhite said:

stodge said:
Evening all

First, thanks to Cyclefree for an excellent thoughtful piece. It brings some interesting new dimensions to a debate which has become increasingly sterile and ill-tempered on here in recent days.

My view has long been that LEAVE doesn't have to spell out the future but REMAIN does. LEAVE is in effect developing (though it should have done so months ago) a series of negotiating positions with regard to the withdrawal of Britain from the EU. Team LEAVE should have sat down and worked out its red lines - control of our borders, free trade perhaps - and those areas where compromise was possible.

REMAIN has the problem not so much of defending the status quo but defending the unknown i.e: the future. I have come to the LEAVE camp because I can no longer accept the mantra from the Conservative, Labour and Liberal Democrat parties that it is possible for the EU to be reformed from within.

Whether the EU doesn't want to reform or it does but it doesn't know how doesn't really matter. Successive British Governments have tried engagement (Blair), non-engagement (Major) and flouncing (Cameron) but none have achieved more than transitory successes which are soon watered down or flatly ignored.

Why will the future, if we vote to REMAIN, be any different from the past or present ?
Streuth Stodge.

I am surprised that you, I and Richard Tyndal are all on the same side of any argument!

Perhaps we should start a party?

We'd call it something like "UKIP with brains" or similar.
How about the "British Liberal Party - This time we're actually liberal"?

I'd join and donate the same £100 per year!
We would have to sort out where we stood on immigration.

We'd also have to storm and occupy the National Liberal club, it is a rather nice club to have after all.
Any person is free to come to the UK, they will have no access to the NHS or benefits system until they achieve residency. To access healthcare while non-resident a mandatory insurance policy must be purchased or provided by one's employer, this is on top of NICs and can be purchased from the NHS. It's really that simple. That way low skilled/low paid people won't bother as employers will face increased costs for employing someone from overseas or coming to the UK won't be workable on a low wage. Highly skilled people are not discouraged.
Healthcare is one of the things you get in exchange for paying tax in Britain, presumably immigrants will get a lower tax rate in return?

Healthcare is one of the things you get for being a British citizen. There is no tax qualification.

Sandpit · May 2016

BenedictWhite said:

Sandpit said:

BenedictWhite said:

MaxPB said:
FPT:

BenedictWhite said:

MaxPB said:

BenedictWhite said:

stodge said:
Evening all

Why will the future, if we vote to REMAIN, be any different from the past or present ?
We'd call it something like "UKIP with brains" or similar.
How about the "British Liberal Party - This time we're actually liberal"?

I'd join and donate the same £100 per year!
We would have to sort out where we stood on immigration.

We'd also have to storm and occupy the National Liberal club, it is a rather nice club to have after all.
Any person is free to come to the UK, they will have no access to the NHS or benefits system until they achieve residency. To access healthcare while non-resident a mandatory insurance policy must be purchased or provided by one's employer, this is on top of NICs and can be purchased from the NHS. It's really that simple. That way low skilled/low paid people won't bother as employers will face increased costs for employing someone from overseas or coming to the UK won't be workable on a low wage. Highly skilled people are not discouraged.
That's workable, If an employer really needs that IT specialist etc, they can pay for them. They'd probably try harder to train them mind....

But we wouldn't have as you say low skilled jobs being undercut all the time.

There's mileage in a party after all... Stodge, do you sign up? What about Richard?
Yes, this was discussed a couple of weeks ago on here. Something like a £5k per annum fee (per person, including children) and no entitlement to in-work or housing benefits would set an effective minimum salary for a singleton of around £35k pa and for a family around £55k, higher in London. It would not only raise money directly but discourage low skilled immigration and encourage employers to invest in training staff rather than hiring cheaply from abroad.
I was slightly worried I thought the £5K per year was for party membership.. Cripes. A bit high.

Then I read the rest. Phew.

But yes that looks workable.

LOL!
Party membership would I'm sure be only a nominal fee, maybe the price of a pin badge so the sensible people can identify each other

Like most of these things, it's good to look around the world and see how other countries deal with immigration. Australia and Canada have been mentioned already, less so places like Singapore and the Gulf states who love immigrants with jobs but the arrangement is strictly temporary and tied to employment. My nephew was born in the sandpit, but he will never be an Emirati.

Richard_Nabavi · May 2016

FrancisUrquhart said:

MikeK said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

MikeK said:

FrancisUrquhart said:
Rod Liddle suspended from labour party for anti-anti-sementic remarks..
Spoof or link,
otherwise you stink!
What is sementic anyway?
F##king SwiftKey....it keeps doing his bollocks. Deeply unimpressed by the tech having tried it out. Hopefully gboard gets UK release soon.

Link on previous thread.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/7159998/Rod-Liddle-suspended-from-Labour-party-for-saying-anti-semitism-is-rife-among-Muslims.html
You are forgiven. Give the keys a punch now and then, that'll calm them down.
Microsoft paid $250 million for the British startup & it just doesn't bloody work. I spent more time u doing its incorrect predictions than I do typing messages.

Britain has a fine and honourable tradition of selling duff companies to gullible foreigners. Long may it continue.

HYUFD · May 2016

WBUR New Hampshire

Clinton 44%
Trump 42%
http://www.wbur.org/2016/05/18/wbur-poll-clinton-trump-new-hampshire

Cyclefree · May 2016

AnneJGP said:
@Cyclefree A pity your excellent thread header couldn't stay up longer for further discussion. Bit of a waste. (Like the EU)

Thank you.

Somehow I think the arguments will be rerun.........

MaxPB · May 2016

TheScreamingEagles said:

MaxPB said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

BenedictWhite said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

BenedictWhite said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
Netflix and Amazon’s video streaming services could be forced to devote “at least” 20 per cent of their catalogues to European films and TV shows as part of an overhaul of the EU’s broadcasting rules.

Under a Brussels plan to be unveiled next week, video-on-demand groups would also be obliged to “ensure prominence” of any European works, potentially forcing them to replace valuable space on their homepages given to Hollywood blockbusters with French cinema.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4798d428-1d19-11e6-b286-cddde55ca122.html#axzz492lwuKFC
See?

Their nuts.

You still for remain?
Your misuse of 'their' is keeping me well away from Leavers.
Oh really? They're nuts?

Better now?

Or do you still not see the problem? There is no level of lunacy that the EU will not jump to suit a protectionist mindset. It hurts Europe and the rest of the worlds poor, It doesn't hurt Hollywood much though.
No, I refuse to engage with anyone who doesn't know the difference between, there, they're, and their.
Your and You're is my bugbear. Someone wrote "you're investment value can decrease" in some of our literature once.
Its and It's my bugbear

This was just poor English all around, and it went on some of the literature we send to clients. I remember reading and sending off a scathing email to our marketing department about the quality of writing. It makes us look unprofessional, but apparently being chummy and having shit English is the "in" thing at the moment.

Pulpstar · May 2016

TheScreamingEagles said:

MaxPB said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

BenedictWhite said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

BenedictWhite said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
Netflix and Amazon’s video streaming services could be forced to devote “at least” 20 per cent of their catalogues to European films and TV shows as part of an overhaul of the EU’s broadcasting rules.

Under a Brussels plan to be unveiled next week, video-on-demand groups would also be obliged to “ensure prominence” of any European works, potentially forcing them to replace valuable space on their homepages given to Hollywood blockbusters with French cinema.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4798d428-1d19-11e6-b286-cddde55ca122.html#axzz492lwuKFC
See?

Their nuts.

You still for remain?
Your misuse of 'their' is keeping me well away from Leavers.
Oh really? They're nuts?

Better now?

Or do you still not see the problem? There is no level of lunacy that the EU will not jump to suit a protectionist mindset. It hurts Europe and the rest of the worlds poor, It doesn't hurt Hollywood much though.
No, I refuse to engage with anyone who doesn't know the difference between, there, they're, and their.
Your and You're is my bugbear. Someone wrote "you're investment value can decrease" in some of our literature once.
Its and It's my bugbear

"Nor will people say, ‘Look, here it is,’ or ‘There it's.’ For you see, the kingdom of Klopp is in your midst.”

TheScreamingEagles · May 2016

Regarding the BES polling, an update.

A preview was given to Channel 4 for last night's Channel 4 News (to look at the impact of ethnic minority voters in the referendum) and in the context of just the headline numbers.

The full data and methodology notes will be released later on this month.

Until then, most of us are in the dark about it.

For example we don't know the following

The fieldwork dates (except it ended on May 4th)
The wording of the question
If the turnout was via self certification or adjustment by the pollster

and most crucially of all

Whether it was a UK wide, GB wide, or England wide poll, if it was an England only poll, that implies a GB wide Remain victory

Sunil_Prasannan · May 2016

TheScreamingEagles said:

BenedictWhite said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

BenedictWhite said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
Netflix and Amazon’s video streaming services could be forced to devote “at least” 20 per cent of their catalogues to European films and TV shows as part of an overhaul of the EU’s broadcasting rules.

Under a Brussels plan to be unveiled next week, video-on-demand groups would also be obliged to “ensure prominence” of any European works, potentially forcing them to replace valuable space on their homepages given to Hollywood blockbusters with French cinema.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4798d428-1d19-11e6-b286-cddde55ca122.html#axzz492lwuKFC
See?

Their nuts.

You still for remain?
Your misuse of 'their' is keeping me well away from Leavers.
Oh really? They're nuts?

Better now?

Or do you still not see the problem? There is no level of lunacy that the EU will not jump to suit a protectionist mindset. It hurts Europe and the rest of the worlds poor, It doesn't hurt Hollywood much though.
No, I refuse to engage with anyone who doesn't know the difference between, there, they're, and their.

Says the REMAINER who can't tell the difference between "you and I" and "you and me"!

BenedictWhite · May 2016

Sandpit said:

BenedictWhite said:

Sandpit said:

BenedictWhite said:

MaxPB said:
FPT:

BenedictWhite said:

We would have to sort out where we stood on immigration.

We'd also have to storm and occupy the National Liberal club, it is a rather nice club to have after all.
Any person is free to come to the UK, they will have no access to the NHS or benefits system until they achieve residency. To access healthcare while non-resident a mandatory insurance policy must be purchased or provided by one's employer, this is on top of NICs and can be purchased from the NHS. It's really that simple. That way low skilled/low paid people won't bother as employers will face increased costs for employing someone from overseas or coming to the UK won't be workable on a low wage. Highly skilled people are not discouraged.
That's workable, If an employer really needs that IT specialist etc, they can pay for them. They'd probably try harder to train them mind....

But we wouldn't have as you say low skilled jobs being undercut all the time.

There's mileage in a party after all... Stodge, do you sign up? What about Richard?
Yes, this was discussed a couple of weeks ago on here. Something like a £5k per annum fee (per person, including children) and no entitlement to in-work or housing benefits would set an effective minimum salary for a singleton of around £35k pa and for a family around £55k, higher in London. It would not only raise money directly but discourage low skilled immigration and encourage employers to invest in training staff rather than hiring cheaply from abroad.
I was slightly worried I thought the £5K per year was for party membership.. Cripes. A bit high.

Then I read the rest. Phew.

But yes that looks workable.
LOL!
Party membership would I'm sure be only a nominal fee, maybe the price of a pin badge so the sensible people can identify each other

Like most of these things, it's good to look around the world and see how other countries deal with immigration. Australia and Canada have been mentioned already, less so places like Singapore and the Gulf states who love immigrants with jobs but the arrangement is strictly temporary and tied to employment. My nephew was born in the sandpit, but he will never be an Emirati.

I grew up in the Lebanon. My grandchildren wouldn't be citizens. Not saying that would be the way I would run it but others do.

edmundintokyo · May 2016

BenedictWhite said:

edmundintokyo said:

BenedictWhite said:

edmundintokyo said:

rcs1000 said:

BenedictWhite said:

rcs1000 said:

MaxPB said:
FPT:

BenedictWhite said:

MaxPB said:

BenedictWhite said:

Streuth Stodge.

I am surprised that you, I and Richard Tyndal are all on the same side of any argument!

Perhaps we should start a party?

We'd call it something like "UKIP with brains" or similar.
How about the "British Liberal Party - This time we're actually liberal"?

I'd join and donate the same £100 per year!
We would have to sort out where we stood on immigration.

We'd also have to storm and occupy the National Liberal club, it is a rather nice club to have after all.
Any person is free to come to the UK, they will have no access to the NHS or benefits system until they achieve residency. To access healthcare while non-resident a mandatory insurance policy must be purchased or provided by one's employer, this is on top of NICs and can be purchased from the NHS. It's really that simple. That way low skilled/low paid people won't bother as employers will face increased costs for employing someone from overseas or coming to the UK won't be workable on a low wage. Highly skilled people are not discouraged.
It avoids beauracracy, it's raises money for the treasury, and (most importantly) it doesn't distort price signals in the way that quota systems do.

Really, what's not to like?

Edit to add: if you wish to stay more than three months in the UK, you need to purchase compulsory health care insurance.
Migration policy sorted,

Permenent right to remain and naturalisation next.

Then free trade.
There's another joy about my plan (which has been adopted by MaxPB and others); if economic times are tough, just raise the cost of compulsory health insurance, and ensure a negative flow of migrants.
Economically this sounds equivalent to a flat-rate immigrant poll tax, except more expensive to administer.
No. You apply for a work permit, get an NI number and it's all attached to that.
Is that supposed to show that it's not economicaly equivalent to a flat-rate per-immigrant poll tax or is it supposed to show that it won't be more expensive to administer?
The latter, I am not fused at how it looks to some.

So it's nothing to do with healthcare availability which you'd already be paying for out of taxes, it's not administered by a health insurance company and it's economically equivalent to a per immigrant poll tax. The healthcare angle is just a marketing thing?

Pulpstar · May 2016

Richard_Nabavi said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

MikeK said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

MikeK said:

FrancisUrquhart said:
Rod Liddle suspended from labour party for anti-anti-sementic remarks..
Spoof or link,
otherwise you stink!
What is sementic anyway?
F##king SwiftKey....it keeps doing his bollocks. Deeply unimpressed by the tech having tried it out. Hopefully gboard gets UK release soon.

Link on previous thread.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/7159998/Rod-Liddle-suspended-from-Labour-party-for-saying-anti-semitism-is-rife-among-Muslims.html
You are forgiven. Give the keys a punch now and then, that'll calm them down.
Microsoft paid $250 million for the British startup & it just doesn't bloody work. I spent more time u doing its incorrect predictions than I do typing messages.
Britain has a fine and honourable tradition of selling duff companies to gullible foreigners. Long may it continue.

The value of some of these tech companies is ludicrous.

FrancisUrquhart · May 2016

Richard_Nabavi said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

MikeK said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

MikeK said:

FrancisUrquhart said:
Rod Liddle suspended from labour party for anti-anti-sementic remarks..
Spoof or link,
otherwise you stink!
What is sementic anyway?
F##king SwiftKey....it keeps doing his bollocks. Deeply unimpressed by the tech having tried it out. Hopefully gboard gets UK release soon.

Link on previous thread.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/7159998/Rod-Liddle-suspended-from-Labour-party-for-saying-anti-semitism-is-rife-among-Muslims.html
You are forgiven. Give the keys a punch now and then, that'll calm them down.
Microsoft paid $250 million for the British startup & it just doesn't bloody work. I spent more time u doing its incorrect predictions than I do typing messages.
Britain has a fine and honourable tradition of selling duff companies to gullible foreigners. Long may it continue.

Normally Microsoft buy companies then duff them ie Skype...but they bought a duffer before the huuli-esque engineering team have had chance to screw it up.

MaxPB · May 2016

Richard_Nabavi said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

MikeK said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

MikeK said:

FrancisUrquhart said:
Rod Liddle suspended from labour party for anti-anti-sementic remarks..
Spoof or link,
otherwise you stink!
What is sementic anyway?
F##king SwiftKey....it keeps doing his bollocks. Deeply unimpressed by the tech having tried it out. Hopefully gboard gets UK release soon.

Link on previous thread.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/7159998/Rod-Liddle-suspended-from-Labour-party-for-saying-anti-semitism-is-rife-among-Muslims.html
You are forgiven. Give the keys a punch now and then, that'll calm them down.
Microsoft paid $250 million for the British startup & it just doesn't bloody work. I spent more time u doing its incorrect predictions than I do typing messages.
Britain has a fine and honourable tradition of selling duff companies to gullible foreigners. Long may it continue.

Autonomy comes to mind!

Cyclefree · May 2016

VapidBilge said:

rcs1000 said:

runnymede said:
The great City figure Stanislas Yassukovich on why claims the City will suffer after Brexit are wrong

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/05/18/money-not-eu-membership-is-the-citys-central-tenet/
Errrr... I've been in the city for over two decades, and I've never heard of him. For people in the city who produce generally excellent Brexit analysis, can I recommend Albert Edwards of ( believe it or not) Societe Generale.
I remember him from the Eighties and the Securities Association. Around Big Bang.

Probably before your time.

So do I. But then my first financial case was the Guinness scandal which was before any form of regulation. There are people running banks who weren't even born then....... And therein is one of the problems of the City.

TheScreamingEagles · May 2016

Pulpstar said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

MikeK said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

MikeK said:

FrancisUrquhart said:
Rod Liddle suspended from labour party for anti-anti-sementic remarks..
Spoof or link,
otherwise you stink!
What is sementic anyway?
F##king SwiftKey....it keeps doing his bollocks. Deeply unimpressed by the tech having tried it out. Hopefully gboard gets UK release soon.

Link on previous thread.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/7159998/Rod-Liddle-suspended-from-Labour-party-for-saying-anti-semitism-is-rife-among-Muslims.html
You are forgiven. Give the keys a punch now and then, that'll calm them down.
Microsoft paid $250 million for the British startup & it just doesn't bloody work. I spent more time u doing its incorrect predictions than I do typing messages.
Britain has a fine and honourable tradition of selling duff companies to gullible foreigners. Long may it continue.
The value of some of these tech companies is ludicrous.

Will/has anything ever topped the valuation of AOL when they merged with Time Warner?

TheScreamingEagles · May 2016

Cyclefree said:

VapidBilge said:

rcs1000 said:

runnymede said:
The great City figure Stanislas Yassukovich on why claims the City will suffer after Brexit are wrong

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/05/18/money-not-eu-membership-is-the-citys-central-tenet/
Errrr... I've been in the city for over two decades, and I've never heard of him. For people in the city who produce generally excellent Brexit analysis, can I recommend Albert Edwards of ( believe it or not) Societe Generale.
I remember him from the Eighties and the Securities Association. Around Big Bang.

Probably before your time.
So do I. But then my first financial case was the Guinness scandal which was before any form of regulation. There are people running banks who weren't even born then....... And therein is one of the problems of the City.

Did you have to deal with Ernest Saunders? I'm assuming it must have been difficult with his Alzheimers

Richard_Nabavi · May 2016

To be fair, US companies such as Microsoft have an impressive record of wasting billions on duff US companies as well. But we might as well get a slice of the action if it's available.

TheScreamingEagles · May 2016

Sunil_Prasannan said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

BenedictWhite said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

BenedictWhite said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
Netflix and Amazon’s video streaming services could be forced to devote “at least” 20 per cent of their catalogues to European films and TV shows as part of an overhaul of the EU’s broadcasting rules.

Under a Brussels plan to be unveiled next week, video-on-demand groups would also be obliged to “ensure prominence” of any European works, potentially forcing them to replace valuable space on their homepages given to Hollywood blockbusters with French cinema.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4798d428-1d19-11e6-b286-cddde55ca122.html#axzz492lwuKFC
See?

Their nuts.

You still for remain?
Your misuse of 'their' is keeping me well away from Leavers.
Oh really? They're nuts?

Better now?

Or do you still not see the problem? There is no level of lunacy that the EU will not jump to suit a protectionist mindset. It hurts Europe and the rest of the worlds poor, It doesn't hurt Hollywood much though.
No, I refuse to engage with anyone who doesn't know the difference between, there, they're, and their.
Says the REMAINER who can't tell the difference between "you and I" and "you and me"!

You're lucky I don't end sentences with a preposition.

FrancisUrquhart · May 2016

Pulpstar said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

MikeK said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

MikeK said:

FrancisUrquhart said:
Rod Liddle suspended from labour party for anti-anti-sementic remarks..
Spoof or link,
otherwise you stink!
What is sementic anyway?
F##king SwiftKey....it keeps doing his bollocks. Deeply unimpressed by the tech having tried it out. Hopefully gboard gets UK release soon.

Link on previous thread.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/7159998/Rod-Liddle-suspended-from-Labour-party-for-saying-anti-semitism-is-rife-among-Muslims.html
You are forgiven. Give the keys a punch now and then, that'll calm them down.
Microsoft paid $250 million for the British startup & it just doesn't bloody work. I spent more time u doing its incorrect predictions than I do typing messages.
Britain has a fine and honourable tradition of selling duff companies to gullible foreigners. Long may it continue.
The value of some of these tech companies is ludicrous.

The bubble will burst. So many of these apps are overvalued, can be easily copied & no realistic way to significantly monetize.

My negatives on twitter was seriously reinforced when I was at a friends BBQ last weekend & all the kids were "social media-ing " & I asked so do you tweet...there was lots of giggling & then one girl said tweeting is just for saddos who talk about what they had for breakfast. Instantagram & snap chat is where it is.

TheScreamingEagles · May 2016

BenedictWhite said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

BenedictWhite said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

BenedictWhite said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
Netflix and Amazon’s video streaming services could be forced to devote “at least” 20 per cent of their catalogues to European films and TV shows as part of an overhaul of the EU’s broadcasting rules.

Under a Brussels plan to be unveiled next week, video-on-demand groups would also be obliged to “ensure prominence” of any European works, potentially forcing them to replace valuable space on their homepages given to Hollywood blockbusters with French cinema.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4798d428-1d19-11e6-b286-cddde55ca122.html#axzz492lwuKFC
See?

Their nuts.

You still for remain?
Your misuse of 'their' is keeping me well away from Leavers.
Oh really? They're nuts?

Better now?

Or do you still not see the problem? There is no level of lunacy that the EU will not jump to suit a protectionist mindset. It hurts Europe and the rest of the worlds poor, It doesn't hurt Hollywood much though.
No, I refuse to engage with anyone who doesn't know the difference between, there, they're, and their.
You've engage in conversation with me before.

If you really think a typo is a defining factor you're even more small minded than I thought you were.

Debating with you a waste of my time.

I'm still waiting for proof of your assertion that the IMF wanted the UK to join the Euro.

ThreeQuidder · May 2016

Que sera sera...

Chris_A · May 2016

TheScreamingEagles said:

Cyclefree said:

VapidBilge said:

rcs1000 said:

runnymede said:
The great City figure Stanislas Yassukovich on why claims the City will suffer after Brexit are wrong

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/05/18/money-not-eu-membership-is-the-citys-central-tenet/
Errrr... I've been in the city for over two decades, and I've never heard of him. For people in the city who produce generally excellent Brexit analysis, can I recommend Albert Edwards of ( believe it or not) Societe Generale.
I remember him from the Eighties and the Securities Association. Around Big Bang.

Probably before your time.
So do I. But then my first financial case was the Guinness scandal which was before any form of regulation. There are people running banks who weren't even born then....... And therein is one of the problems of the City.
Did you have to deal with Ernest Saunders? I'm assuming it must have been difficult with his Alzheimers

Is that insult to all those who genuinely have to deal with relatives with Alzheimer's still alive?

Sunil_Prasannan · May 2016

Chris_A said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Cyclefree said:

VapidBilge said:

rcs1000 said:

runnymede said:
The great City figure Stanislas Yassukovich on why claims the City will suffer after Brexit are wrong

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/05/18/money-not-eu-membership-is-the-citys-central-tenet/
Errrr... I've been in the city for over two decades, and I've never heard of him. For people in the city who produce generally excellent Brexit analysis, can I recommend Albert Edwards of ( believe it or not) Societe Generale.
I remember him from the Eighties and the Securities Association. Around Big Bang.

Probably before your time.
So do I. But then my first financial case was the Guinness scandal which was before any form of regulation. There are people running banks who weren't even born then....... And therein is one of the problems of the City.
Did you have to deal with Ernest Saunders? I'm assuming it must have been difficult with his Alzheimers
Is that insult to all those who genuinely have to deal with relatives with Alzheimer's still alive?

"REMAINERs don't care about people with Alzheimer's!"

HYUFD · May 2016

Genuine obituary from the Richmond Times Despatch yesterday
'NOLAND, Mary Anne Alfriend. Faced with the prospect of voting for either Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton, Mary Anne Noland of Richmond chose, instead, to pass into the eternal love of God on Sunday, May 15, 2016, at the age of 68.'
http://www.richmond.com/obituaries/article_c21b60bc-1153-5abd-b3c8-268cfd32eb57.html

Sunil_Prasannan · May 2016

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

BenedictWhite said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

BenedictWhite said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
Netflix and Amazon’s video streaming services could be forced to devote “at least” 20 per cent of their catalogues to European films and TV shows as part of an overhaul of the EU’s broadcasting rules.

Under a Brussels plan to be unveiled next week, video-on-demand groups would also be obliged to “ensure prominence” of any European works, potentially forcing them to replace valuable space on their homepages given to Hollywood blockbusters with French cinema.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4798d428-1d19-11e6-b286-cddde55ca122.html#axzz492lwuKFC
See?

Their nuts.

You still for remain?
Your misuse of 'their' is keeping me well away from Leavers.
Oh really? They're nuts?

Better now?

Or do you still not see the problem? There is no level of lunacy that the EU will not jump to suit a protectionist mindset. It hurts Europe and the rest of the worlds poor, It doesn't hurt Hollywood much though.
No, I refuse to engage with anyone who doesn't know the difference between, there, they're, and their.
Says the REMAINER who can't tell the difference between "you and I" and "you and me"!
You're lucky I don't end sentences with a preposition.

Which is correct?

"The world according to you and I."

Or:

"The world according to you and me."

Chris_A · May 2016

BenedictWhite said:

edmundintokyo said:

BenedictWhite said:

edmundintokyo said:

rcs1000 said:

BenedictWhite said:

rcs1000 said:

MaxPB said:
FPT:

BenedictWhite said:

MaxPB said:

BenedictWhite said:

Streuth Stodge.

I am surprised that you, I and Richard Tyndal are all on the same side of any argument!

Perhaps we should start a party?

We'd call it something like "UKIP with brains" or similar.
How about the "British Liberal Party - This time we're actually liberal"?

I'd join and donate the same £100 per year!
We would have to sort out where we stood on immigration.

We'd also have to storm and occupy the National Liberal club, it is a rather nice club to have after all.
Any person is free to come to the UK, they will have no access to the NHS or benefits system until they achieve residency. To access healthcare while non-resident a mandatory insurance policy must be purchased or provided by one's employer, this is on top of NICs and can be purchased from the NHS. It's really that simple. That way low skilled/low paid people won't bother as employers will face increased costs for employing someone from overseas or coming to the UK won't be workable on a low wage. Highly skilled people are not discouraged.
It avoids beauracracy, it's raises money for the treasury, and (most importantly) it doesn't distort price signals in the way that quota systems do.

Really, what's not to like?

Edit to add: if you wish to stay more than three months in the UK, you need to purchase compulsory health care insurance.
Migration policy sorted,

Permenent right to remain and naturalisation next.

Then free trade.
There's another joy about my plan (which has been adopted by MaxPB and others); if economic times are tough, just raise the cost of compulsory health insurance, and ensure a negative flow of migrants.
Economically this sounds equivalent to a flat-rate immigrant poll tax, except more expensive to administer.
No. You apply for a work permit, get an NI number and it's all attached to that.
Is that supposed to show that it's not economicaly equivalent to a flat-rate per-immigrant poll tax or is it supposed to show that it won't be more expensive to administer?
The latter, I am not fused at how it looks to some.

As it happens, do you still have a blog?

weejonnie · May 2016

Sunil_Prasannan said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

BenedictWhite said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

BenedictWhite said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
Netflix and Amazon’s video streaming services could be forced to devote “at least” 20 per cent of their catalogues to European films and TV shows as part of an overhaul of the EU’s broadcasting rules.

Under a Brussels plan to be unveiled next week, video-on-demand groups would also be obliged to “ensure prominence” of any European works, potentially forcing them to replace valuable space on their homepages given to Hollywood blockbusters with French cinema.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4798d428-1d19-11e6-b286-cddde55ca122.html#axzz492lwuKFC
See?

Their nuts.

You still for remain?
Your misuse of 'their' is keeping me well away from Leavers.
Oh really? They're nuts?

Better now?

Or do you still not see the problem? There is no level of lunacy that the EU will not jump to suit a protectionist mindset. It hurts Europe and the rest of the worlds poor, It doesn't hurt Hollywood much though.
No, I refuse to engage with anyone who doesn't know the difference between, there, they're, and their.
Says the REMAINER who can't tell the difference between "you and I" and "you and me"!

Well BSE can't tell the difference between the EU and Europe. Their whole meme is a lie.

Richard_Nabavi · May 2016

Cyclefree said:
So do I. But then my first financial case was the Guinness scandal which was before any form of regulation. There are people running banks who weren't even born then....... And therein is one of the problems of the City.

Was it actually a scandal? From the outside, it seemed to be a completely victimless 'crime' based on a novel and dubious interpretation of an obscure law, for which absurdly long sentences - more than people get for violent assaults - were handed down.

Roger · May 2016

Plato_Says said:
https://twitter.com/TheSun/status/733043471800487936

So he can score

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