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I know we're sceptical of ORB given their tiny % Undecided share, yet this caught my eye.chestnut said:Meanwhile the proportion of soft voters – those either undecided or likely to change their minds come polling day – remains relatively low. Fifteen per cent are now considered soft voters, a drop of six points from last month.
Moreover 11 per cent of Remain voters and 9 per cent of Leave voters are soft, a decrease of 4 and 8 points respectively since the last poll in April.0 -
@Charles - I'm afraid I can't accept the status quo
Having the ECJ ruling on our judicial rights through the charter of fundamental rights, losing our veto in 45 policy areas, giving the EU legal personality, and creating an external diplomatic service and foreign affairs branch that covets our UN Security Council seat were all steps too far for me.
I'm also unhappy with the fact we can't negotiate our own trade deals nor implement a balanced points based immigration system. Neither do I like the concept of EU citizenship introduced in Maastrict.
Do I really care that much about fish?
I struggle to.0 -
I am afraid that privatisation is not a left wing policy. It is a right wing one.SouthamObserver said:
Frankly, though, I think it is rather silly to try to place the Nazis and Mussolini on the traditional right/left spectrum.
The left, however, has to take Stalin. On a smaller, less brutal - but still profoundly unpleasant and murderous - scale, Franco and the other southern European dictators of the mid-twentieth century were clearly on the right, as was the Apartheid regime in South Africa.
Indeed it is silly - I was reacting to @ydoethur's casual placing of Hitler and Mussolini on the right. As a history teacher he should know that things are more complicated than that
On privatisation - it's right wing if it's driven by a belief that the organisations are better run in private hands. If it's just a means to enrich your allies I don't think it is a right/left thing - it's just a mechanism at that point.0 -
Would you like some buttered bread with that?Alanbrooke said:
When did macaroni cheese and chips become the national dish ? :-)malcolmg said:
Double the amount of Tory MP's as there are in Scotland as wellScott_P said:@euanmccolm: there are exactly as many snp mps having affairs with that journalist as there are pandas in Scotland.
(I kid you not - offered in a pub in Forfar...)0 -
how on earth did you get from the story reported to bringing down Cameron other than of course an attempt to debunk or minimise the importance of the information.Scott_P said:
The interesting point about this story is that Brexiteers are prepared to leak thisPaul_Bedfordshire said:A leaked letter suggests the Prime Minister was plotting with a multinational firm on how to hammer home the Remain case while still claiming he was prepared to campaign to leave.
Bringing down Cameron is much more important to them than whether we are in the EU or not.
No you speak piffle but I admire your trust in the EU however after 40 years of this I tend to take a more cautious approach. For example Isn't free movement "enshrined" in EU law but look at the number of countries who have abandoned it and even erected fences. In the meantime the EU by which we mean Germany of course force other nations to take illegal migrants against their will to save it from its own " sovereign decision" that's fecked up the entire continent.CarlottaVance said:Since piffle2 may be a while in supporting his video's claims - here's one for starters:
The claim: We will not join the euro
Reality Check verdict: This is true - the UK secured an opt-out, which is written into EU law. The UK cannot be forced to adopt the single currency.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35990076
Quoting the rules from Brussels is pointless. They can be and are overturned with impunity and regularly are to suit their project or an individual nation ( normally France)
You will see this when Remain wins, as they will. The list of demands from Brussels will be massive . It will be nicely put to us though along the lines of.....
Dear Mr John Bull,
Please first bend over and touch your toes this shouldn't take long and won't hurt a bit....
* plucking sound of rubber gloves being tightened over fingers"
Don't say you were not warned of the consequences.0 -
One assumes they want to win elections. But that is their other problem as they failed at that in 2010 and 2015.Patrick said:What do the 'Labour right' want? What do they stand for? What is their thing? Whose interests do they represent? I have no idea. Nor do they themselves. We had Burnham, Mrs Balls and the other one contesting Corbyn for the leadership and they managed in the course of several weeks' campaigning to say precisely nothing about anything. Chuka maybe? An empty suit. Jarvis? A handsome haircut. The postman? In fact who gives a shit about the 'Labour right'?
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Glad you think so:malcolmg said:
The lying toad deserves to be exposed for the low life he is.Scott_P said:
The interesting point about this story is that Brexiteers are prepared to leak thisPaul_Bedfordshire said:A leaked letter suggests the Prime Minister was plotting with a multinational firm on how to hammer home the Remain case while still claiming he was prepared to campaign to leave.
Bringing down Cameron is much more important to them than whether we are in the EU or not.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/7155077/Two-MPs-marriages-destroyed-after-they-both-have-affairs-with-the-SAME-blonde-journalist-in-messy-love-triangle.html
Oh, and its SNP toads0 -
It is a really tricky one. Fascism is, philosophically and using the pretty much outmoded Left Right political spectrum, a pretty left wing ideology; but practical applications of it have almost always come about through the support of capitalists fed up with closed shop socialism threatening their existence.Jonathan said:Interesting to see Charles express emerging right wing political correctness and revisionist history.
Whist his desire to repaint the right as motherhood and apple pie is understandable, I fear that his argument that the far right aren't right wing is a bridge too far.0 -
Why are the "far right" far right? On what spectrum?Jonathan said:Interesting to see Charles express emerging right wing political correctness and revisionist history.
Whist his desire to repaint the right as motherhood and apple pie is understandable, I fear that his argument that the far right aren't right wing is a bridge too far.
They were left wing economically. They wrapped themselves in the symbols of nationalism (arguably without being truly patriotic). They were anti-establishment and iconoclastic.
As SO said, right/left isn't really an appropriate measure for something like this. But it's a convenient smear, so the mass media doesn't actually think too hard about the academic verities.0 -
Why are you warning them? They want all these things to happen.Moses_ said:
how on earth did you get from the story reported to bringing down Cameron other than of course an attempt to debunk or minimise the importance of the information.Scott_P said:
The interesting point about this story is that Brexiteers are prepared to leak thisPaul_Bedfordshire said:A leaked letter suggests the Prime Minister was plotting with a multinational firm on how to hammer home the Remain case while still claiming he was prepared to campaign to leave.
Bringing down Cameron is much more important to them than whether we are in the EU or not.
No you speak piffle but I admire your trust in the EU however after 40 years of this I tend to take a more cautious approach. For example Isn't free movement "enshrined" in EU law but look at the number of countries who have abandoned it and even erected fences. In the meantime the EU by which we mean Germany of course force other nations to take illegal migrants against their will to save it from its own " sovereign decision" that's fecked up the entire continent.CarlottaVance said:Since piffle2 may be a while in supporting his video's claims - here's one for starters:
The claim: We will not join the euro
Reality Check verdict: This is true - the UK secured an opt-out, which is written into EU law. The UK cannot be forced to adopt the single currency.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35990076
Quoting the rules from Brussels is pointless. They can be and are overturned with impunity and regularly are to suit their project or an individual nation ( normally France)
You will see this when Remain wins, as they will. The list of demands from Brussels will be massive . It will be nicely put to us though along the lines of.....
Dear Mr John Bull,
Please first bend over and touch your toes this shouldn't take long and won't hurt a bit....
* plucking sound of rubber gloves being tightened over fingers"
Don't say you were not warned of the consequences.0 -
They won't be memos.runnymede said:
Quite right Malcolm.malcolmg said:
The lying toad deserves to be exposed for the low life he is.Scott_P said:
The interesting point about this story is that Brexiteers are prepared to leak thisPaul_Bedfordshire said:A leaked letter suggests the Prime Minister was plotting with a multinational firm on how to hammer home the Remain case while still claiming he was prepared to campaign to leave.
Bringing down Cameron is much more important to them than whether we are in the EU or not.
If only we could get some of the memos that must have passed between Treasury officials and Osborne in the run-up to the publication of the Treasury's 'Brexit' study.
Some juicy stuff there I'm sure -
Osborne 'Why can't we make the numbers bigger?'
Official 'Well, we could tweak some of the assumptions...'
Osborne 'Whatever numbers you have now, double them, or treble them...'
etc.
Post-it notes, maybe.0 -
We're talking small margins here that nudge the dial a point or so in either direction. The turnout filter has moved 3 points but at this stage hasn't had a significant effect.Wanderer said:
Thanks.JackW said:BREAKING WIND NEWS **** BREAKING WIND NEWS **** BREAKING WIND NEWS ****
The breaking news is that WIND is reporting to JNN the contents of the latest ARSE4EU Referendum Projection :
Should The United Kingdom Remain A Member Of The European Union Or Leave The European Union?
Remain 54% (-1) .. Leave 46% (+1)
Turnout Projection 64% (NC)
Changes from 13th May.
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WIND - Whimsical Independent News Division
JNN - Jacobite News Network
ARSE4EU - Anonymous Random Selection of Electors For European Union
Interesting that you have a nudge towards Leave at the same time as Betfair has marched towards Remain. I suspect you are right.
A stable ARSE is a happy ARSE0 -
Mmmmm....a tad difficult to post the English version this morning I guess?Scott_P said:0 -
The Schengen treaties allow countries to reimpose border controls under certain circumstances.Moses_ said:For example Isn't free movement "enshrined" in EU law but look at the number of countries who have abandoned it and even erected fences. In the meantime the EU by which we mean Germany of course force other nations to take illegal migrants against their will to save it from its own " sovereign decision" that's fecked up the entire continent.
Not only that, but aren't you suggesting that countries don't need to be bound by the EU, rather than that the EU is forcing them to do something?0 -
There were stories of Remain using WhatsApp distribution lists to keep conversations off the public record.runnymede said:
Quite right Malcolm.malcolmg said:
The lying toad deserves to be exposed for the low life he is.Scott_P said:
The interesting point about this story is that Brexiteers are prepared to leak thisPaul_Bedfordshire said:A leaked letter suggests the Prime Minister was plotting with a multinational firm on how to hammer home the Remain case while still claiming he was prepared to campaign to leave.
Bringing down Cameron is much more important to them than whether we are in the EU or not.
If only we could get some of the memos that must have passed between Treasury officials and Osborne in the run-up to the publication of the Treasury's 'Brexit' study.
Some juicy stuff there I'm sure -
Osborne 'Why can't we make the numbers bigger?'
Official 'Well, we could tweak some of the assumptions...'
Osborne 'Whatever numbers you have now, double them, or treble them...'
etc.0 -
She's already started - broadening it from 'anti-semitism' to include 'islamophobia' and 'racism in general' - that should see it nicely buried diluted......Plato_Says said:
It's got BBC complaint response written all over it "We listened to your concerns, and decided on balance we were right"MikeK said:Good morning all.
The woman appointed to lead an independent inquiry into Labour antisemitism joined the party hours before it began, raising questions over the impartiality of the review.
Shami Chakrabarti, the human rights campaigner, defended her decision and insisted that she would conduct the investigation “without fear or favour”.
Ms Chakrabarti was also forced to defend a decision to include allegations of Islamophobia in the remit after claims that it risked diluting the inquiry.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/independent-head-of-antisemitism-review-joins-the-labour-party-t3wpr72t7
So really, Labour have ducked the issue on an Independent inquiry and also softened it's approach to anti-semitism with the addition of linking it to Islamophobia.0 -
Don't confuse your personal opinions with "academic verities". The interesting question is why you feel the need to mount such arguments.Charles said:
Why are the "far right" far right? On what spectrum?Jonathan said:Interesting to see Charles express emerging right wing political correctness and revisionist history.
Whist his desire to repaint the right as motherhood and apple pie is understandable, I fear that his argument that the far right aren't right wing is a bridge too far.
They were left wing economically. They wrapped themselves in the symbols of nationalism (arguably without being truly patriotic). They were anti-establishment and iconoclastic.
As SO said, right/left isn't really an appropriate measure for something like this. But it's a convenient smear, so the mass media doesn't actually think too hard about the academic verities.0 -
The 6th Most Read article in the Guardian yesterday was How To Eat Macaroni Cheese. I thought a fork was popular myself. I resisted the urge to read it.CarlottaVance said:
Would you like some buttered bread with that?Alanbrooke said:
When did macaroni cheese and chips become the national dish ? :-)malcolmg said:
Double the amount of Tory MP's as there are in Scotland as wellScott_P said:@euanmccolm: there are exactly as many snp mps having affairs with that journalist as there are pandas in Scotland.
(I kid you not - offered in a pub in Forfar...)0 -
After last night's ORB phone poll gave REMAIN a 15% lead many of the comments from Leavers were unhinged and you are not doing much to repair that image this morning.shiney2 said:
Ah, so you can't even reproduce something from yesterday that you claim 'directly contradicts' one small part of the vid.CarlottaVance said:
You're the one (re) posting the video - if you can't support the claims in it, we may draw our own conclusions about the veracity of the rest of it....shiney2 said:
Still trying to muddy the waters..CarlottaVance said:
I did - and I quoted details back to you which directly contradict the claims in the videoshiney2 said:
No defence is required against a false statement. Read the link..CarlottaVance said:
So what's today's defence?shiney2 said:
You wrongly said I quoted from the Lisbon Treaty.CarlottaVance said:
Out of kindness I'm not going to repost the articles from the Lisbon Treaty which you claimed supported your little video, but in fact directly contradicted itshiney2 said:
So, no argument left. Not even yesterdays comprehension failure?CarlottaVance said:
Joking apart - posting video's costs OGH money - so I would submit, out of politeness, once is enough (and this one you posted more than once yesterday, let alone in previous days.)shiney2 said:
You were so sure your little quote proved what you thought. It seemed a shame to disturb your entire day..CarlottaVance said:
Its PIFFLE! again!shiney2 said:Yippee, its a new day! Hello Britain..
www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0pwXLtvt2w&feature=youtu.be
PIFFLE piffle PIFFLE piffle PIFFLE PIFFLE
Seriously, you want yesterday's embarrassment repeated today?
Oh, and piffle
Now run along, Piffle......
1) I didn't quote from anything.
2) that link isnt 'the Lisbon Treaty'.
Same video, new defence?
It was piffle yesterday, it's piffle today.....
But for our entertainment, can you provide links that support we will have to:
- replace the pound with the Euro
- replace common law & jury trial with bench trials
- join Schengen.
In your own time.
If it directly contradicts, you'll have no difficulty quoting it again, will you?
Its not going well for you is it?0 -
Are the BBC going to reduce expenditure by.......
1. Cutting those over-large salaries that the top people get? NO!
2. Cutting those over-large salaries that middle management get? NO!
3. Cutting those great expensive studios that are seldom used? NO!
4. Cutting 15,000 recipes from a website to save £15M? YES! YES! YES!
5. Getting the supine Cameroon government to increase the the price of
it's License fee for 11 years? YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-363089760 -
Roger said:
I haven't seen it before. It's spoilt by being so childish. The graphics are OK but the dialogue sounds like it was written for twelve year oldsCarlottaVance said:
Joking apart - posting videos costs OGH money - so I would submit, out of politeness, once is enough (and this one you posted more than once yesterday, let alone in previous days.)shiney2 said:
You were so sure your little quote proved what you thought. It seemed a shame to disturb your entire day..CarlottaVance said:
Its PIFFLE! again!shiney2 said:Yippee, its a new day! Hello Britain..
www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0pwXLtvt2w&feature=youtu.be
PIFFLE piffle PIFFLE piffle PIFFLE PIFFLE
Seriously, you want yesterday's embarrassment repeated today?
Oh, and piffle
That's why Shiney2 loves it0 -
Some consider a fried mars bar sarnie as something of a local delicacy in Angus, although the buttered version is more prevalent in Kerriemuir as it was a staple at the breakfast table of their favourite son - J M Barrie and served by the butler - The Admirable Crichton.CarlottaVance said:
Would you like some buttered bread with that?Alanbrooke said:
When did macaroni cheese and chips become the national dish ? :-)malcolmg said:
Double the amount of Tory MP's as there are in Scotland as wellScott_P said:@euanmccolm: there are exactly as many snp mps having affairs with that journalist as there are pandas in Scotland.
(I kid you not - offered in a pub in Forfar...)0 -
Is the BBC on the hook to reduce expenditure? I thought the license fee was going up with inflation? And really, why has the BBC got a database of 11k recipes in the first place.MikeK said:Are the BBC going to reduce expenditure by.......
1. Cutting those over-large salaries that the top people get? NO!
2. Cutting those over-large salaries that middle management get? NO!
3. Cutting those great expensive studios that are seldom used? NO!
4. Cutting 15,000 recipes from a website to save £15M? YES! YES! YES!
5. Getting the supine Cameroon government to increase the the price of
it's License fee for 11 years? YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-363089760 -
one of the few things I actually like and they close it.MikeK said:Are the BBC going to reduce expenditure by.......
1. Cutting those over-large salaries that the top people get? NO!
2. Cutting those over-large salaries that middle management get? NO!
3. Cutting those great expensive studios that are seldom used? NO!
4. Cutting 15,000 recipes from a website to save £15M? YES! YES! YES!
5. Getting the supine Cameroon government to increase the the price of
it's License fee for 11 years? YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36308976
It has all the ring of de;iberately cutting the service to create an outcry and screams of cuts ! cuts !0 -
The more I read the Guardian, the more I am convinced that Hipsters feel the need to re-examine every life lesson they've learned; and generally go for the one that history and progress have deemed less efficient/socially acceptable/flattering.Plato_Says said:
The 6th Most Read article in the Guardian yesterday was How To Eat Macaroni Cheese. I thought a fork was popular myself. I resisted the urge to read it.CarlottaVance said:
Would you like some buttered bread with that?Alanbrooke said:
When did macaroni cheese and chips become the national dish ? :-)malcolmg said:
Double the amount of Tory MP's as there are in Scotland as wellScott_P said:@euanmccolm: there are exactly as many snp mps having affairs with that journalist as there are pandas in Scotland.
(I kid you not - offered in a pub in Forfar...)
Hence, for men, facefluff, NHS style glasses and skinny jeans seems to be the new uniform.0 -
And she'll be handed a safe seat. Probably after John Mann is deselected.CarlottaVance said:
She's already started - broadening it from 'anti-semitism' to include 'islamophobia' and 'racism in general' - that should see it nicely buried diluted......Plato_Says said:
It's got BBC complaint response written all over it "We listened to your concerns, and decided on balance we were right"MikeK said:Good morning all.
The woman appointed to lead an independent inquiry into Labour antisemitism joined the party hours before it began, raising questions over the impartiality of the review.
Shami Chakrabarti, the human rights campaigner, defended her decision and insisted that she would conduct the investigation “without fear or favour”.
Ms Chakrabarti was also forced to defend a decision to include allegations of Islamophobia in the remit after claims that it risked diluting the inquiry.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/independent-head-of-antisemitism-review-joins-the-labour-party-t3wpr72t7
So really, Labour have ducked the issue on an Independent inquiry and also softened it's approach to anti-semitism with the addition of linking it to Islamophobia.0 -
A Labour coalition with the LibDems represents moderate Labour's best bet, because the LibDems would most likely veto much that they find objectionable in their own party's platform (as Cammo found most useful); because some at least of them may have the prospect of office in such circumstances (depending partly on the eagerness of leading left-wingers to serve given the compromises such an arrangement would require) and because, if it could deliver meaningful electoral reform, this would clear away the principle obstacle to the future success of Alastair's options 3 & 4.
Whether the leader would be Corbyn or someone else in such circumstances is an interesting question. Whilst coalition partners are normally unable to influence the leadership of their partners, it was clear from the Lib/Lab discussions that started in 2010 that Brown could not lead, had it been possible to make a government in that way. Plus there must be questions over Corbyn's willingness and suitability for the hard slog of coalition government given his age and general disposition, particularly if the LibDems had had a good election and Labour not so much. So ironically they might even get rid of Corbyn as well in this scenario!
The challenge for them is how to make such an outcome more likely. Keeping their heads down, hoping the Tories themselves run into a mess, and doing just enough rowing to keep the boat moving forward, appears to be what most of them have chosen.
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Who taught you that?Mortimer said:
It is a really tricky one. Fascism is, philosophically and using the pretty much outmoded Left Right political spectrum, a pretty left wing ideology; but practical applications of it have almost always come about through the support of capitalists fed up with closed shop socialism threatening their existence.Jonathan said:Interesting to see Charles express emerging right wing political correctness and revisionist history.
Whist his desire to repaint the right as motherhood and apple pie is understandable, I fear that his argument that the far right aren't right wing is a bridge too far.
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@JeremyCliffe: Brexiteers are (still) peddling a fantasy of absolute sovereignty. That's not how the world works: https://t.co/rYRf27zjls0
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The non-BBC media seem very sceptical about this gesture politics. How can hosting pre-written/loaded recipes cost £15m?MikeK said:Are the BBC going to reduce expenditure by.......
1. Cutting those over-large salaries that the top people get? NO!
2. Cutting those over-large salaries that middle management get? NO!
3. Cutting those great expensive studios that are seldom used? NO!
4. Cutting 15,000 recipes from a website to save £15M? YES! YES! YES!
5. Getting the supine Cameroon government to increase the the price of
it's License fee for 11 years? YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-363089760 -
"a substantial strand of British political thought would go unrepresented for the medium term."
There must be at least three strands of British political thought that are unrepresented now, or at any time. So what's new?
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Didn't Churchill once say to to his wife, "the children could be doing better; but the grandchildren? Ugh!!!".
https://twitter.com/ukipwebmaster/status/7324774934797598720 -
Be fair only 10k of those recipes were for Eric Pickles and now he's left government the Beeb feel under no obligation to provide him with weekly menu options.RobD said:
And really, why has the BBC got a database of 11k recipes in the first place.MikeK said:Are the BBC going to reduce expenditure by.......
1. Cutting those over-large salaries that the top people get? NO!
2. Cutting those over-large salaries that middle management get? NO!
3. Cutting those great expensive studios that are seldom used? NO!
4. Cutting 15,000 recipes from a website to save £15M? YES! YES! YES!
5. Getting the supine Cameroon government to increase the the price of
it's License fee for 11 years? YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36308976
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Given the recipes are just text, why does it cost so much to host them?0
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Oh aye.Charles said:
Why are the "far right" far right? On what spectrum?Jonathan said:Interesting to see Charles express emerging right wing political correctness and revisionist history.
Whist his desire to repaint the right as motherhood and apple pie is understandable, I fear that his argument that the far right aren't right wing is a bridge too far.
They were left wing economically. They wrapped themselves in the symbols of nationalism (arguably without being truly patriotic). They were anti-establishment and iconoclastic.
Is there a special kind of anti-establishment iconoclasm that depends on the support of the aristocracy, bourgeoisie, farmers, industrialists and the churches?0 -
To be fair, it does say "as part of".Plato_Says said:
The non-BBC media seem very sceptical about this gesture politics. How can hosting pre-written/loaded recipes cost £15m?MikeK said:Are the BBC going to reduce expenditure by.......
1. Cutting those over-large salaries that the top people get? NO!
2. Cutting those over-large salaries that middle management get? NO!
3. Cutting those great expensive studios that are seldom used? NO!
4. Cutting 15,000 recipes from a website to save £15M? YES! YES! YES!
5. Getting the supine Cameroon government to increase the the price of
it's License fee for 11 years? YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-363089760 -
That was surely a selection of snacks before the main meal started?JackW said:
Be fair only 10k of those recipes were for Eric Pickles and now he's left government the Beeb feel under no obligation to provide him with weekly menu options.RobD said:
And really, why has the BBC got a database of 11k recipes in the first place.MikeK said:Are the BBC going to reduce expenditure by.......
1. Cutting those over-large salaries that the top people get? NO!
2. Cutting those over-large salaries that middle management get? NO!
3. Cutting those great expensive studios that are seldom used? NO!
4. Cutting 15,000 recipes from a website to save £15M? YES! YES! YES!
5. Getting the supine Cameroon government to increase the the price of
it's License fee for 11 years? YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-363089760 -
Certainly not much evidence of movement in yesterday's polls.JackW said:
We're talking small margins here that nudge the dial a point or so in either direction. The turnout filter has moved 3 points but at this stage hasn't had a significant effect.Wanderer said:
Thanks.JackW said:BREAKING WIND NEWS **** BREAKING WIND NEWS **** BREAKING WIND NEWS ****
The breaking news is that WIND is reporting to JNN the contents of the latest ARSE4EU Referendum Projection :
Should The United Kingdom Remain A Member Of The European Union Or Leave The European Union?
Remain 54% (-1) .. Leave 46% (+1)
Turnout Projection 64% (NC)
Changes from 13th May.
......................................................................
WIND - Whimsical Independent News Division
JNN - Jacobite News Network
ARSE4EU - Anonymous Random Selection of Electors For European Union
Interesting that you have a nudge towards Leave at the same time as Betfair has marched towards Remain. I suspect you are right.
A stable ARSE is a happy ARSE
Leave may be happy with the stable position at present - they don't seem to be losing ground - but at some point they will run out of road. This assumes that the underlying position is more or less as you have it, of course.
On turnout, I'm starting to think 60-65 will lose at the top end of the band.0 -
There's an interesting divergence in the Populus/Matt Singh polls that TSE keeps referencing from March.Plato_Says said:
I know we're sceptical of ORB given their tiny % Undecided share, yet this caught my eye.chestnut said:Meanwhile the proportion of soft voters – those either undecided or likely to change their minds come polling day – remains relatively low. Fifteen per cent are now considered soft voters, a drop of six points from last month.
Moreover 11 per cent of Remain voters and 9 per cent of Leave voters are soft, a decrease of 4 and 8 points respectively since the last poll in April.
Remain 24 points ahead on Mobiles, 4 behind on landlines.0 -
Yes, very much like Labour councils cutting frontline services rather than the middle management and then screaming about cuts while Tory and Lib Dem councils made savings in the back office to protect most front line services.Alanbrooke said:
one of the few things I actually like and they close it.MikeK said:Are the BBC going to reduce expenditure by.......
1. Cutting those over-large salaries that the top people get? NO!
2. Cutting those over-large salaries that middle management get? NO!
3. Cutting those great expensive studios that are seldom used? NO!
4. Cutting 15,000 recipes from a website to save £15M? YES! YES! YES!
5. Getting the supine Cameroon government to increase the the price of
it's License fee for 11 years? YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36308976
It has all the ring of de;iberately cutting the service to create an outcry and screams of cuts ! cuts !0 -
There's an interesting divergence in the Populus/Matt Singh polls that TSE keeps referencing from March.chestnut said:Plato_Says said:
I know we're sceptical of ORB given their tiny % Undecided share, yet this caught my eye.chestnut said:Meanwhile the proportion of soft voters – those either undecided or likely to change their minds come polling day – remains relatively low. Fifteen per cent are now considered soft voters, a drop of six points from last month.
Moreover 11 per cent of Remain voters and 9 per cent of Leave voters are soft, a decrease of 4 and 8 points respectively since the last poll in April.
Remain 24 points ahead on Mobiles, 4 behind on landlines.
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Or spending money on adverts complaining about the cuts...MaxPB said:
Yes, very much like Labour councils cutting frontline services rather than the middle management and then screaming about cuts while Tory and Lib Dem councils made savings in the back office to protect most front line services.Alanbrooke said:
one of the few things I actually like and they close it.MikeK said:Are the BBC going to reduce expenditure by.......
1. Cutting those over-large salaries that the top people get? NO!
2. Cutting those over-large salaries that middle management get? NO!
3. Cutting those great expensive studios that are seldom used? NO!
4. Cutting 15,000 recipes from a website to save £15M? YES! YES! YES!
5. Getting the supine Cameroon government to increase the the price of
it's License fee for 11 years? YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36308976
It has all the ring of de;iberately cutting the service to create an outcry and screams of cuts ! cuts !0 -
i think the quotes are buggered up again. Can we all agree on a moratorium on the use of blockquote when quoting bits of text, instead use italics. Otherwise the quotes get all buggered like in MaxPB's recent post.0
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Andrea Leadsom putting in her usual solid professional performance on Sky News. Full of examples of how being in EU adds to our cost of energy. VOTE Leave need to use her more.
Meanwhile Lab John McDonnell explaining why being in EU fits in with his socialist paradise...0 -
It's a direct conflict of interest. Had this been on the right wing as opposed to the left wing the squeals from the lefties of a fixed report would be utterly deafening. Either way they will find no case to answer , exonerate themselves and find it more rife in the nasty Tories.Plato_Says said:
And she'll be handed a safe seat. Probably after John Mann is deselected.CarlottaVance said:
She's already started - broadening it from 'anti-semitism' to include 'islamophobia' and 'racism in general' - that should see it nicely buried diluted......Plato_Says said:
It's got BBC complaint response written all over it "We listened to your concerns, and decided on balance we were right"MikeK said:Good morning all.
The woman appointed to lead an independent inquiry into Labour antisemitism joined the party hours before it began, raising questions over the impartiality of the review.
Shami Chakrabarti, the human rights campaigner, defended her decision and insisted that she would conduct the investigation “without fear or favour”.
Ms Chakrabarti was also forced to defend a decision to include allegations of Islamophobia in the remit after claims that it risked diluting the inquiry.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/independent-head-of-antisemitism-review-joins-the-labour-party-t3wpr72t7
So really, Labour have ducked the issue on an Independent inquiry and also softened it's approach to anti-semitism with the addition of linking it to Islamophobia.
They will also publish the findings on July 6th.0 -
That's noteworthy. The entrails are much more interesting than the headlines.chestnut said:Plato_Says said:
I know we're sceptical of ORB given their tiny % Undecided share, yet this caught my eye.chestnut said:Meanwhile the proportion of soft voters – those either undecided or likely to change their minds come polling day – remains relatively low. Fifteen per cent are now considered soft voters, a drop of six points from last month.
Moreover 11 per cent of Remain voters and 9 per cent of Leave voters are soft, a decrease of 4 and 8 points respectively since the last poll in April.
There's an interesting divergence in the Populus/Matt Singh polls that TSE keeps referencing from March.
Remain 24 points ahead on Mobiles, 4 behind on landlines.
OT Kyle is hilarious this morning - 6 people arguing about a £10 dog. How the other half lives. The lie detector tests are costing £1500. Not sure many will be voting in the EUref...0 -
Lab John McDonnell using the opportunity to slag off Osborne's economics and management of the economy, lots of tory this and tory that. Quite funny when the top 2 most used people to front REMAIN are tories....
Similar to Ratner's approach to enhancing the brand? Yes look at all these reasons why the tory chaps running REMAIN are cr*p, but you should all still go out and vote for it......0 -
Pictures, videos, probably some amount of royalties that need to paid. I would also look at why the BBC owns the Good Food network and UKTV, neither need to be in public hands and the BBC should be forced to sell their stake in UKTV.Morris_Dancer said:Given the recipes are just text, why does it cost so much to host them?
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I just couldnt be a RemainerMikeK said:Didn't Churchill once say to to his wife, "the children could be doing better; but the grandchildren? Ugh!!!".
https://twitter.com/ukipwebmaster/status/732477493479759872
Their tactics cant be any plainer
it;s toffs trying to scare us
and spivs to outBlair us
with threats that get ever insaner.0 -
The sites entirely buggered anyway with open nesting making threads very long and really causing optical illusions on the eyes to the point you can't read the comments. Swopped to Firefox and can't log in? Came direct through vanilla and to enter a post on a 300 post thread I hit quote and then have to scroll right to the latest post to find edit box then scroll all the way back. Don't even think about Chrome I can log in but that's about it and it used to be fine.RobD said:i think the quotes are buggered up again. Can we all agree on a moratorium on the use of blockquote when quoting bits of text, instead use italics. Otherwise the quotes get all buggered like in MaxPB's recent post.
It started the Sunday before last and I was apparently not the only one that has these issues from around the same date / time.
Tried everything but cannot get back to how it was?0 -
@paul_mcmc: No BBC recipes? Just use an American internet one instead. "a sixth of flour, 3 groats of sugar, 1/7 bucket of milk, 2 cubits of salt..."0
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For Chrome, have you tried logging in on politicalbetting.vanillaforums.com/discussions? That seems to keep me logged in, and works okay.Moses_ said:
The sites entirely buggered anyway with open nesting . Swopped to Firefox and can't log in? Came direct through vanilla and to enter a post on a 300 post thread I hit quote and then have to scroll right to the latest post to find edit box then scroll all the way back. Don't even think about Chrome I can log in but that's about it.RobD said:i think the quotes are buggered up again. Can we all agree on a moratorium on the use of blockquote when quoting bits of text, instead use italics. Otherwise the quotes get all buggered like in MaxPB's recent post.
It started the Sunday before last and I was apparently not the only one that has these issues from around the same date / time.
Tried everything but cannot get back to how it was0 -
Have Remain tried 45 mins to save the NHS from WMD yet ?0
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Very good - and no paternity test needed for those two.Alanbrooke said:
I just couldnt be a RemainerMikeK said:Didn't Churchill once say to to his wife, "the children could be doing better; but the grandchildren? Ugh!!!".
https://twitter.com/ukipwebmaster/status/732477493479759872
Their tactics cant be any plainer
it;s toffs trying to scare us
and spivs to outBlair us
with threats that get ever insaner.0 -
quite clearly Jabba the Hut :-)Plato_Says said:
Very good - and no paternity test needed for those two.Alanbrooke said:
I just couldnt be a RemainerMikeK said:Didn't Churchill once say to to his wife, "the children could be doing better; but the grandchildren? Ugh!!!".
https://twitter.com/ukipwebmaster/status/732477493479759872
Their tactics cant be any plainer
it;s toffs trying to scare us
and spivs to outBlair us
with threats that get ever insaner.0 -
I am a long-time Labour activist - veteran of the struggle to get rid of the Trots in the late 80s and early 90s - so I'm a paid-up member of what Alistair calls the "Labour right" but we in the Party prefer to present ourselves as "moderates" as it sound more cuddly.
From the outside the situation within the party appears to be one of a complete Corbynite takeover - the overwhelming majority of the membership apparently backs him, the recent elections were not bad enough to justify a revolt, the Labour right lack ideas, potential leadership candidates are not credible, the PLP has no backbone and moderate members are leaving the party in droves. Such is the narrative.
But this is not a complete picture. A majority of members may support Corbyn but most of these members are completely inactive and have never done anything in the Party apart from vote for Corbyn. The Party structure, branches and organisation remains firmly in the hands of moderates. Amateurish attempts by Momentum and others to make inroads have been beaten off very easily - in my own CLP their candidates were defeated by more than 4-1 at the AGM. As a result of this they have now ceased to be active in most branches. This is important as it means MPs need not worry about deselection if they mount a coup - you cannot deselect an MP if you do not control the local Party.
At the moment Party membership is static - there is no sign of an exodus of moderates. We are waiting to see how many of the new members who joined last Summer renew their membership when it falls due over the next few months.
The left slate for the NEC was struggling even before the implosion of Ken and it now seems unlikely that it will succeed in giving Corbyn a majority on that body.
There are, of course, many criticisms of Corbyn from a policy viewpoint but there are also criticism on a more basic level. The fact is that he does not have the personal qualities required of a leader in modern politics - his media appearances are stilted, he is a poor public speaker and, although he is a "nice person" he lacks management skills and is unable to guide meetings toward a decision or impose his authority when there is a disagreement within the team. This means that even those who support his policies do not necessarily support his leadership.
MPs talk openly of a coup - I have repeatedly been told it is not whether but when. This position has not changed since the elections on May 5. Therefore I continue to believe that he will not lead the Party into the next general election.0 -
Mr. Nick, interesting post, but does a coup have any prospect of succeeding given the Labour rulebook?0
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@anothernick Very informative insider post, always good to read *real world* vs outsider opinion.0
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@anothernick - I had past complaints from Corbynites that to use "moderates" was to prejudge who was right and who was wrong (and to start with a tendentious view of what was moderate). On reflection, I took their point. So I now try to use "Labour right" as a descriptive term that no one could object to.
Finding neutral terms for political groupings that don't cause offence is one of the harder challenges. And everyone knows I don't seek to cause gratuitous offence.0 -
Meh...how many talks of coups against Brown which never happened. It's not in the labour DNA to weild the dagger, and there's no one left to do it.anothernick said:
MPs talk openly of a coup - I have repeatedly been told it is not whether but when. This position has not changed since the elections on May 5. Therefore I continue to believe that he will not lead the Party into the next general election.
The labour right are now outside the tent, so very little grand gestures over then resigning the whip or defection are avaialable to them,a nd the moment they do that they lose all influence.0 -
We heard this when Brown & Ed were in charge....anothernick said:
MPs talk openly of a coup - I have repeatedly been told it is not whether but when. This position has not changed since the elections on May 5. Therefore I continue to believe that he will not lead the Party into the next general election.
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Very good point about membership renewals.anothernick said:
At the moment Party membership is static - there is no sign of an exodus of moderates. We are waiting to see how many of the new members who joined last Summer renew their membership when it falls due over the next few months.
The left slate for the NEC was struggling even before the implosion of Ken and it now seems unlikely that it will succeed in giving Corbyn a majority on that body.
There are, of course, many criticisms of Corbyn from a policy viewpoint but there are also criticism on a more basic level. The fact is that he does not have the personal qualities required of a leader in modern politics - his media appearances are stilted, he is a poor public speaker and, although he is a "nice person" he lacks management skills and is unable to guide meetings toward a decision or impose his authority when there is a disagreement within the team. This means that even those who support his policies do not necessarily support his leadership.
MPs talk openly of a coup - I have repeatedly been told it is not whether but when. This position has not changed since the elections on May 5. Therefore I continue to believe that he will not lead the Party into the next general election.
If the moderates keep control of the NEC they can presumably block changes to the leadership selection process?0 -
V. interesting post. The issue of who renews this summer will be very important. Is this an automatic, opt-out process?anothernick said:I am a long-time Labour activist - veteran of the struggle to get rid of the Trots in the late 80s and early 90s - so I'm a paid-up member of what Alistair calls the "Labour right" but we in the Party prefer to present ourselves as "moderates" as it sound more cuddly.
From the outside the situation within the party appears to be one of a complete Corbynite takeover - the overwhelming majority of the membership apparently backs him, the recent elections were not bad enough to justify a revolt, the Labour right lack ideas, potential leadership candidates are not credible, the PLP has no backbone and moderate members are leaving the party in droves. Such is the narrative.
But this is not a complete picture. A majority of members may support Corbyn but most of these members are completely inactive and have never done anything in the Party apart from vote for Corbyn. The Party structure, branches and organisation remains firmly in the hands of moderates. Amateurish attempts by Momentum and others to make inroads have been beaten off very easily - in my own CLP their candidates were defeated by more than 4-1 at the AGM. As a result of this they have now ceased to be active in most branches. This is important as it means MPs need not worry about deselection if they mount a coup - you cannot deselect an MP if you do not control the local Party.
At the moment Party membership is static - there is no sign of an exodus of moderates. We are waiting to see how many of the new members who joined last Summer renew their membership when it falls due over the next few months.
The left slate for the NEC was struggling even before the implosion of Ken and it now seems unlikely that it will succeed in giving Corbyn a majority on that body.
There are, of course, many criticisms of Corbyn from a policy viewpoint but there are also criticism on a more basic level. The fact is that he does not have the personal qualities required of a leader in modern politics - his media appearances are stilted, he is a poor public speaker and, although he is a "nice person" he lacks management skills and is unable to guide meetings toward a decision or impose his authority when there is a disagreement within the team. This means that even those who support his policies do not necessarily support his leadership.
MPs talk openly of a coup - I have repeatedly been told it is not whether but when. This position has not changed since the elections on May 5. Therefore I continue to believe that he will not lead the Party into the next general election.0 -
Just classic BBC...look look look over over there we are cutting something, because of nasty government, booo booo...MikeK said:Are the BBC going to reduce expenditure by.......
1. Cutting those over-large salaries that the top people get? NO!
2. Cutting those over-large salaries that middle management get? NO!
3. Cutting those great expensive studios that are seldom used? NO!
4. Cutting 15,000 recipes from a website to save £15M? YES! YES! YES!
5. Getting the supine Cameroon government to increase the the price of
it's License fee for 11 years? YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36308976
You only have to look at all the nonsense over BBC3.
Reminds me of all the Labour councils who in reaction to government spending cuts wouldn't cut diversity coordinators and other non-jobs, no it was close all public bogs...0 -
... also, perhaps Ed M can be persuaded to comment on the wisdom of allowing people join for £3 who "are completely inactive and have never done anything in the Party apart from vote for Corbyn."
This is a vey wide but dangerously shallow form of democracy.0 -
Er, why does it cost anything to keep 11,000 EXISTING recipes online? A few quid for the server.FrancisUrquhart said:
Just classic BBC...look look look over over there we are cutting something, because of nasty government, booo booo...MikeK said:Are the BBC going to reduce expenditure by.......
1. Cutting those over-large salaries that the top people get? NO!
2. Cutting those over-large salaries that middle management get? NO!
3. Cutting those great expensive studios that are seldom used? NO!
4. Cutting 15,000 recipes from a website to save £15M? YES! YES! YES!
5. Getting the supine Cameroon government to increase the the price of
it's License fee for 11 years? YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36308976
You only have to look at all the nonsense over BBC3.
Reminds me of all the Labour councils who in reaction to government spending cuts wouldn't cut diversity coordinators and other non-jobs, no it was close all public bogs...0 -
Sounds more and more like the BBC did this to elicit exactly this kind of response. I've not seen any evidence that they government forced them to cut the recipe website specifically (and they'd have been fools to have done so).rottenborough said:
Er, why does it cost anything to keep 11,000 EXISTING recipes online? A few quid for the server.FrancisUrquhart said:
Just classic BBC...look look look over over there we are cutting something, because of nasty government, booo booo...MikeK said:Are the BBC going to reduce expenditure by.......
1. Cutting those over-large salaries that the top people get? NO!
2. Cutting those over-large salaries that middle management get? NO!
3. Cutting those great expensive studios that are seldom used? NO!
4. Cutting 15,000 recipes from a website to save £15M? YES! YES! YES!
5. Getting the supine Cameroon government to increase the the price of
it's License fee for 11 years? YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36308976
You only have to look at all the nonsense over BBC3.
Reminds me of all the Labour councils who in reaction to government spending cuts wouldn't cut diversity coordinators and other non-jobs, no it was close all public bogs...0 -
What's to stop the potentially lapsing Labour members from rejoining for £3 if there is an attempt to depose Comrade Corbyn?0
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Chestnut.. My BIL..works as a senior sales manager in a very large Northern computer outlet..he tells me that the vast majority of their customers are over 65..0
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Umm, Hillary's giving Bill a big job “I’m going to put [him] in charge of revitalising the economy”
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/world/it-s-the-economy-stupid-bill-clinton-returns-to-the-fray-2p26vrkpj0 -
Depends if they are on direct debit - if so they will automatically renew unless they cancel. If not they will have to take positive step to renew.rottenborough said:
V. interesting post. The issue of who renews this summer will be very important. Is this an automatic, opt-out process?anothernick said:I am a long-time Labour activist - veteran of the struggle to get rid of the Trots in the late 80s and early 90s - so I'm a paid-up member of what Alistair calls the "Labour right" but we in the Party prefer to present ourselves as "moderates" as it sound more cuddly.
From the outside the situation within the party appears to be one of a complete Corbynite takeover - the overwhelming majority of the membership apparently backs him, the recent elections were not bad enough to justify a revolt, the Labour right lack ideas, potential leadership candidates are not credible, the PLP has no backbone and moderate members are leaving the party in droves. Such is the narrative.
But this is not a complete picture. A majority of members may support Corbyn but most of these members are completely inactive and have never done anything in the Party apart from vote for Corbyn. The Party structure, branches and organisation remains firmly in the hands of moderates. Amateurish attempts by Momentum and others to make inroads have been beaten off very easily - in my own CLP their candidates were defeated by more than 4-1 at the AGM. As a result of this they have now ceased to be active in most branches. This is important as it means MPs need not worry about deselection if they mount a coup - you cannot deselect an MP if you do not control the local Party.
At the moment Party membership is static - there is no sign of an exodus of moderates. We are waiting to see how many of the new members who joined last Summer renew their membership when it falls due over the next few months.
The left slate for the NEC was struggling even before the implosion of Ken and it now seems unlikely that it will succeed in giving Corbyn a majority on that body.
There are, of course, many criticisms of Corbyn from a policy viewpoint but there are also criticism on a more basic level. The fact is that he does not have the personal qualities required of a leader in modern politics - his media appearances are stilted, he is a poor public speaker and, although he is a "nice person" he lacks management skills and is unable to guide meetings toward a decision or impose his authority when there is a disagreement within the team. This means that even those who support his policies do not necessarily support his leadership.
MPs talk openly of a coup - I have repeatedly been told it is not whether but when. This position has not changed since the elections on May 5. Therefore I continue to believe that he will not lead the Party into the next general election.0 -
It shouldn't...but then this is the BBC who piss money up the wall on IT like no tomorrow. Even iPlayer is technologically a steaming pile of poo.rottenborough said:
Er, why does it cost anything to keep 11,000 EXISTING recipes online? A few quid for the server.FrancisUrquhart said:
Just classic BBC...look look look over over there we are cutting something, because of nasty government, booo booo...MikeK said:Are the BBC going to reduce expenditure by.......
1. Cutting those over-large salaries that the top people get? NO!
2. Cutting those over-large salaries that middle management get? NO!
3. Cutting those great expensive studios that are seldom used? NO!
4. Cutting 15,000 recipes from a website to save £15M? YES! YES! YES!
5. Getting the supine Cameroon government to increase the the price of
it's License fee for 11 years? YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36308976
You only have to look at all the nonsense over BBC3.
Reminds me of all the Labour councils who in reaction to government spending cuts wouldn't cut diversity coordinators and other non-jobs, no it was close all public bogs...
It is just signally bollocks and shock horror it is the top story on Guardian website.0 -
Another episode in an occasional but eternal series of 'What the F*ck is the World Coming To?'
'People are having ‘sex roulette’ parties where one person secretly has HIV'
http://tinyurl.com/z6cmsdx
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They are a political flashmob, which could disappear (we hope!) as suddenly as they appeared.rottenborough said:... also, perhaps Ed M can be persuaded to comment on the wisdom of allowing people join for £3 who "are completely inactive and have never done anything in the Party apart from vote for Corbyn."
This is a vey wide but dangerously shallow form of democracy.0 -
I suspect a large % wont bother. The flush of last summer's heady romance has passed potentially.chestnut said:What's to stop the potentially lapsing Labour members from rejoining for £3 if there is an attempt to depose Comrade Corbyn?
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Mr. Divvie, some people's behaviour is inexplicable. There are some cases of gay men deliberately sleeping with HIV-infected chaps to try and get it (there was a programme by Stephen Fry a few years ago which included that baffling snippet).0
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It's a growing market certainly, but ONS put 2015 daily usage at 45% among those over 65.richardDodd said:Chestnut.. My BIL..works as a senior sales manager in a very large Northern computer outlet..he tells me that the vast majority of their customers are over 65..
http://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/householdcharacteristics/homeinternetandsocialmediausage/bulletins/internetaccesshouseholdsandindividuals/2015-08-06#computer-and-internet-use
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Next thing you know she'll be talking about consulting with him on big foreign policy decisions and defence spending. Before you know it he is in charge of the economy, defence and foreign policy from the First, err, Husband's office and the Oval office is ceremonial.Plato_Says said:Umm, Hillary's giving Bill a big job “I’m going to put [him] in charge of revitalising the economy”
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/world/it-s-the-economy-stupid-bill-clinton-returns-to-the-fray-2p26vrkpj0 -
A consquence of the very good news that HIV is now far from a death scentence.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Divvie, some people's behaviour is inexplicable. There are some cases of gay men deliberately sleeping with HIV-infected chaps to try and get it (there was a programme by Stephen Fry a few years ago which included that baffling snippet).
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I think Cameron disguised the reality of Tory Party. I think most thought this government was a continuation of the last coalition because the leadership hadn't changed. This referendum has shown how misguided that thought was.Jonathan said:Interesting to see Charles express emerging right wing political correctness and revisionist history.
Whist his desire to repaint the right as motherhood and apple pie is understandable, I fear that his argument that the far right aren't right wing is a bridge too far.
I wonder whether Cameron himself understood the bedrock of his own party? When he thinks back to calling UKIP 'fruitcakes loonies and closet racists' it must make him blush0 -
Good term "flashmob". I'm afraid the three quid bunch also included some rather, umm, bitter Tory types too.anothernick said:
They are a political flashmob, which could disappear (we hope!) as suddenly as they appeared.rottenborough said:... also, perhaps Ed M can be persuaded to comment on the wisdom of allowing people join for £3 who "are completely inactive and have never done anything in the Party apart from vote for Corbyn."
This is a vey wide but dangerously shallow form of democracy.0 -
I should hope she would consult him. It would make no sense not to. Though the buck would stop with her, in my business I often consult my wife to run ideas and decisions past her, she has sound judgement. He's not only her closest confidant by has done the job before.MaxPB said:
Next thing you know she'll be talking about consulting with him on big foreign policy decisions and defence spending. Before you know it he is in charge of the economy, defence and foreign policy from the First, err, Husband's office and the Oval office is ceremonial.Plato_Says said:Umm, Hillary's giving Bill a big job “I’m going to put [him] in charge of revitalising the economy”
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/world/it-s-the-economy-stupid-bill-clinton-returns-to-the-fray-2p26vrkpj0 -
John McAfee Apparently Tried to Trick Reporters Into Thinking He Hacked WhatsApp
http://gizmodo.com/john-mcafee-apparently-tried-to-trick-reporters-into-th-1776765480
Bonkers....0 -
Wouldn't he still be President Clinton? Or Maybe First Husband President Clinton?MaxPB said:
Next thing you know she'll be talking about consulting with him on big foreign policy decisions and defence spending. Before you know it he is in charge of the economy, defence and foreign policy from the First, err, Husband's office and the Oval office is ceremonial.Plato_Says said:Umm, Hillary's giving Bill a big job “I’m going to put [him] in charge of revitalising the economy”
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/world/it-s-the-economy-stupid-bill-clinton-returns-to-the-fray-2p26vrkpj0 -
His over emphasis on this outcome suggests that it is his central expectation.
Farage says he will push for second referendum if Remain wins narrowly
In an interview with the Daily Mirror Nigel Farage, the Ukip leader, has said that if Remain win the EU referendum narrowly, he will push for a second referendum. He told the paper:
In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it.0 -
Blatant nepotism from the Enabler. Will Chelsea be her Secretary of Defence ?Plato_Says said:Umm, Hillary's giving Bill a big job “I’m going to put [him] in charge of revitalising the economy”
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/world/it-s-the-economy-stupid-bill-clinton-returns-to-the-fray-2p26vrkpj0 -
They're still there but whether they could be enthused a second time is open to question. In 2016, probably. In 2018/19, possibly not.anothernick said:
They are a political flashmob, which could disappear (we hope!) as suddenly as they appeared.rottenborough said:... also, perhaps Ed M can be persuaded to comment on the wisdom of allowing people join for £3 who "are completely inactive and have never done anything in the Party apart from vote for Corbyn."
This is a vey wide but dangerously shallow form of democracy.
But we're assuming that the electoral system will remain more or less as now, with perhaps only the nomination process changing. Even if the voluntary three-pounders fall off, there's scope to tweak the union member involvement so as to ensure that the left retains a strong structural advantage (at least, as long as the unions are supportive of Labour's left).0 -
Seems a bit unfair that the bar for remain is 66%, yet the bar for leave is only 50%. Makes me wonder if there shouldn't have been some absolute majority rule to prevent this sort of nonsense.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Farage says he will push for second referendum if Remain wins narrowly
In an interview with the Daily Mirror Nigel Farage, the Ukip leader, has said that if Remain win the EU referendum narrowly, he will push for a second referendum. He told the paper:
In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it.
His over emphasis on this outcome suggests that it is his central expectation.0 -
Surely this is exactly what government policy is aimed at. Stopping the BBC crowding out putative private sector food websites.RobD said:
Sounds more and more like the BBC did this to elicit exactly this kind of response. I've not seen any evidence that they government forced them to cut the recipe website specifically (and they'd have been fools to have done so).rottenborough said:
Er, why does it cost anything to keep 11,000 EXISTING recipes online? A few quid for the server.FrancisUrquhart said:
Just classic BBC...look look look over over there we are cutting something, because of nasty government, booo booo...MikeK said:Are the BBC going to reduce expenditure by.......
1. Cutting those over-large salaries that the top people get? NO!
2. Cutting those over-large salaries that middle management get? NO!
3. Cutting those great expensive studios that are seldom used? NO!
4. Cutting 15,000 recipes from a website to save £15M? YES! YES! YES!
5. Getting the supine Cameroon government to increase the the price of
it's License fee for 11 years? YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36308976
You only have to look at all the nonsense over BBC3.
Reminds me of all the Labour councils who in reaction to government spending cuts wouldn't cut diversity coordinators and other non-jobs, no it was close all public bogs...
John Whittingdale is straying into Osborne's omnishambles territory. He wants the BBC hamstrung but has not considered its impact on the public or his own supporters.0 -
His over emphasis on this outcome suggests that it is his central expectation.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Farage says he will push for second referendum if Remain wins narrowly
In an interview with the Daily Mirror Nigel Farage, the Ukip leader, has said that if Remain win the EU referendum narrowly, he will push for a second referendum. He told the paper:
In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it.
Eugh. Bad statement on all fronts. Even if he will push hard for another EU ref in the event of a narrow Remain win, I don't think it needs to be explicitly stated. And saying 'that ends it' if Remain wins handsomely is a hostage to fortune. Why would you stop wanting, campaigning and hoping to leave a pernicious undemocratic organisation because of a result?0 -
Mr. D, Cable has wibbled that a narrow Leave victory should be ignored.0
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It's all every SIndy in tactics.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Farage says he will push for second referendum if Remain wins narrowly
In an interview with the Daily Mirror Nigel Farage, the Ukip leader, has said that if Remain win the EU referendum narrowly, he will push for a second referendum. He told the paper:
In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it.
His over emphasis on this outcome suggests that it is his central expectation.0 -
Yes, but I suspect it was chosen by the BBC as a cut that would garner the most protest.DecrepitJohnL said:
Surely this is exactly what government policy is aimed at. Stopping the BBC crowding out putative private sector food websites.RobD said:
Sounds more and more like the BBC did this to elicit exactly this kind of response. I've not seen any evidence that they government forced them to cut the recipe website specifically (and they'd have been fools to have done so).rottenborough said:
Er, why does it cost anything to keep 11,000 EXISTING recipes online? A few quid for the server.FrancisUrquhart said:
Just classic BBC...look look look over over there we are cutting something, because of nasty government, booo booo...MikeK said:Are the BBC going to reduce expenditure by.......
1. Cutting those over-large salaries that the top people get? NO!
2. Cutting those over-large salaries that middle management get? NO!
3. Cutting those great expensive studios that are seldom used? NO!
4. Cutting 15,000 recipes from a website to save £15M? YES! YES! YES!
5. Getting the supine Cameroon government to increase the the price of
it's License fee for 11 years? YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36308976
You only have to look at all the nonsense over BBC3.
Reminds me of all the Labour councils who in reaction to government spending cuts wouldn't cut diversity coordinators and other non-jobs, no it was close all public bogs...
John Whittingdale is straying into Osborne's omnishambles territory. He wants the BBC hamstrung but has not considered its impact on the public or his own supporters.0 -
Ugh.. blockquotes. Not even once.
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Not sure Bill's health is up to taking a big job. After his heart surgery he has looked a shadow of his former self.Plato_Says said:Umm, Hillary's giving Bill a big job “I’m going to put [him] in charge of revitalising the economy”
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/world/it-s-the-economy-stupid-bill-clinton-returns-to-the-fray-2p26vrkpj0 -
By Farage's logic we should keep having referenda until one side reaches 66%.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. D, Cable has wibbled that a narrow Leave victory should be ignored.
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So he won't be complaining when Leave win 52-48 and Cameron renegotiates with EU and calls a 2nd referendum next year?Plato_Says said:
It's all every SIndy in tactics.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Farage says he will push for second referendum if Remain wins narrowly
In an interview with the Daily Mirror Nigel Farage, the Ukip leader, has said that if Remain win the EU referendum narrowly, he will push for a second referendum. He told the paper:
In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it.
His over emphasis on this outcome suggests that it is his central expectation.
Thought not.0 -
Don't you mean "innocent face"?rottenborough said:
So he won't be complaining when Leave win 52-48 and Cameron renegotiates with EU and calls a 2nd referendum next year?Plato_Says said:
It's all every SIndy in tactics.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Farage says he will push for second referendum if Remain wins narrowly
In an interview with the Daily Mirror Nigel Farage, the Ukip leader, has said that if Remain win the EU referendum narrowly, he will push for a second referendum. He told the paper:
In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it.
His over emphasis on this outcome suggests that it is his central expectation.
Thought not.
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The people aren't voting for Bill.Philip_Thompson said:
I should hope she would consult him. It would make no sense not to. Though the buck would stop with her, in my business I often consult my wife to run ideas and decisions past her, she has sound judgement. He's not only her closest confidant by has done the job before.MaxPB said:
Next thing you know she'll be talking about consulting with him on big foreign policy decisions and defence spending. Before you know it he is in charge of the economy, defence and foreign policy from the First, err, Husband's office and the Oval office is ceremonial.Plato_Says said:Umm, Hillary's giving Bill a big job “I’m going to put [him] in charge of revitalising the economy”
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/world/it-s-the-economy-stupid-bill-clinton-returns-to-the-fray-2p26vrkpj0
