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  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,872

    Oh, whoops. Another foreign politician for Brexit.

    One of the front runners for the leadership of the Conservative Party of Canada says he'd put Britain at the front of the queue

    The idea that we could even be in a queue at all with Canada is kind of humiliating. What use is HMS Anglosphere if the UK is just the first mate?
    Well, quite.

    What is this "special relationship" we have with the USA if we're going to be sent straight to the back of the queue?
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    edited April 2016

    It is MOE stuff though. No sign of Hunt winning public support .
    Not cover emergencies is not smart tactic !
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,518
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Roger said:

    I can't help thinking that the BHS story is not going to play well for the government.

    Fatcats in tax havens taking all the money while the workers lose their jobs and pensions.

    Is it still owned Cameron's Monaco based waste tsar?
    Philip Green sold it for a quid to this bunch:

    ' More than £25m was paid from BHS to its owner, Retail Acquisitions, in the 13 months between the department store’s sale and it collapsing into administration, the Guardian understands.

    Almost 11,000 jobs are at risk after BHS called in administrators on Monday, the UK’s biggest high street failure since the collapse of Woolworths in 2008.

    Sources with knowledge of BHS’s finances say that the payments to Retail Acquisitions included £2.8m in management fees, £2.1m in salaries and wages, £11m in legal and professional fees and £10m in interest payments.

    The man behind Retail Acquisitions is Dominic Chappell, a former racing driver who has been declared bankrupt twice. Chappell owns 90% of Retail Acquisitions, which bought BHS for £1 from Sir Philip Green in March 2015.

    The payments include a £8.4m loan to Retail Acquisitions, taken out in March 2015, which has already been reported by the Guardian. This is part of the professional fees.

    Some £7m of the £10m of interest payments is understood to have been passed on to the investment firm Grovepoint for a loan taken out to support BHS.

    The payments will raise questions about the management of BHS over the last year. '

    http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/apr/25/bhs-owner-retail-acquisitions-25m-administration

    There was a similar story of millions disappearing when Rover was bought, I believe.
    Its not a pretty story nor is it an original one.

    And I doubt it will be the last time we hear similar.
    While I wouldn't want to comment specifically on this case, I think we (as a society) need to have much greater punishments for those who loot firms and leave the administrator with a nasty mess.
    Phones4U was another case like that too.
  • I cannot understand why leave didn't appoint Dan Hannan as the leader of Brexit. He is so competent, persuasive and professional. Post the referendum he should enter the HOC and in my opinion would be a good prospect for a future PM
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,872

    Oh, whoops. Another foreign politician for Brexit.

    One of the front runners for the leadership of the Conservative Party of Canada says he'd put Britain at the front of the queue:

    Problem with that is that they are not going to see power to be relevant to the debate
    This guy could be Canadian Prime Minister in 2020.
    Think it is unlikely with the popularity of Trudeau's new government
    The point is that contenders for power in Canada, Australia and in the USA, as well as those who have left office in each, recognise they'd work with the UK in the event of Brexit, and many see it as a positive step for us.

    Those in office would deal with the realpolitik of Brexit if it occurred.

    As we've already discussed, it would be the height of rudeness for friendly allied governments in office to publicly contradict the UK Government, which is why we haven't heard so.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,872
    viewcode said:

    Oh, whoops. Another foreign politician for Brexit.

    One of the front runners for the leadership of the Conservative Party of Canada says he'd put Britain at the front of the queue:

    h ttps://twitter.com/jkenney/status/723896023618347008

    h ttps://twitter.com/jkenney/status/723896356964831232

    h ttps://twitter.com/jkenney/status/723897042800656384

    Two points:

    1) Whatever name the center-right is using in Canada this week[1] it lost the 2015 election bigstyle and Trudeau jnr's Liberals has a majority govt, so it'll be in power for at least four years. Jason Kenney's ability to bring about a Canada-UK FTA is the same as mine: zero
    2) "...There is no doubt...", "...would have...", "...should go...", "...might get done..."

    NOTES
    [1] The split history in Canada is impressive: imagine if the UK Conservatives split, then the new party became popular, then they recombined, then they got elected, then won big, then lost big.
    Weak, even for you.

    The Conservative Party of Canada has been united since 2003. And all governments fall from power, eventually, in democracies.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,188
    edited April 2016

    I cannot understand why leave didn't appoint Dan Hannan as the leader of Brexit. He is so competent, persuasive and professional. Post the referendum he should enter the HOC and in my opinion would be a good prospect for a future PM

    The attack lines would have been

    'Head of Brexit wants to abolish/privatise the NHS'

    Unfair, but predictable
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,872

    I cannot understand why leave didn't appoint Dan Hannan as the leader of Brexit. He is so competent, persuasive and professional. Post the referendum he should enter the HOC and in my opinion would be a good prospect for a future PM

    I love Dan. Take a look at his Ici Londres series: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3XWdc6P3Yo
  • LondonBobLondonBob Posts: 467
    I notice the current front runner in the Austrian Presidential election is sharp critic of the sanctions the Americans forced the EU to impose on Russia for standing up to American aggression, at great cost to the Austrian economy. He also supports self determination for the Crimea and Donbass.

    Bravo, Europe can never be divided.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,163

    I cannot understand why leave didn't appoint Dan Hannan as the leader of Brexit. He is so competent, persuasive and professional. Post the referendum he should enter the HOC and in my opinion would be a good prospect for a future PM

    I agree with you about Hannan's qualities, but he seems to prefer a quiet life outside the cut and thrust, doing his youtube videos and complaining about the EU (can't blame him for that, it's more than my contribution, which is confined to moaning on PB). I think he'd make an excellent PM.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,872

    I cannot understand why leave didn't appoint Dan Hannan as the leader of Brexit. He is so competent, persuasive and professional. Post the referendum he should enter the HOC and in my opinion would be a good prospect for a future PM

    I agree with you about Hannan's qualities, but he seems to prefer a quiet life outside the cut and thrust, doing his youtube videos and complaining about the EU (can't blame him for that, it's more than my contribution, which is confined to moaning on PB). I think he'd make an excellent PM.
    Make a donation, sign up with your local Leave campaign and/or deliver leaflets.

    Keyboard warriors aren't enough to win elections.
  • OchEyeOchEye Posts: 1,469
    Just out of interest, I'm beginning to pick up a meme on US blogs. Don't know at this stage whether it will run or not, DYOR, but some are beginning to question The Donald's health. Seems his father displayed the early onset of Alzheimer's 6 years before his death. Trump's increasingly bizarre behaviour and seeming memory lapses are beginning to cause concern. This could make things more Interesting especially if Cruz and Kasich hang in to the convention.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,518

    Oh, whoops. Another foreign politician for Brexit.

    One of the front runners for the leadership of the Conservative Party of Canada says he'd put Britain at the front of the queue:

    Problem with that is that they are not going to see power to be relevant to the debate
    This guy could be Canadian Prime Minister in 2020.
    Think it is unlikely with the popularity of Trudeau's new government
    Trudeau has done nothing so far, he is a nothing PM. Canada are about to embark on a Labour style spending binge just as it looks like the global economy could be heading into a downturn which could leave Canada's resources dependent economy open to severe damage. If the economy does turn within the next four years Trudeau's government will get the blame at the CPC will be back in now that the leadership is changing. If they don;t increase spending and there is a downturn/recession the current Canadian government would be returned with a smaller majority or minority, but their plan of increasing spending leaves them open to the attack of profligacy and squandering the hard won gains of the last 10 years.

    Without a recession it will play out exactly the same as Blair in 1997-2005, the government will become sclerotic and lose popularity and people will decide after the third go that it is time for change.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,518

    I cannot understand why leave didn't appoint Dan Hannan as the leader of Brexit. He is so competent, persuasive and professional. Post the referendum he should enter the HOC and in my opinion would be a good prospect for a future PM

    Too easy to attack and he won't get the working classes out to vote, not that Boris is doing a good job tbh.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,751
    Has this been commented on?

    https://youtu.be/QiOf4CfwD3Q

    It's a bit, er, clumsy.
  • MaxPB said:

    Oh, whoops. Another foreign politician for Brexit.

    One of the front runners for the leadership of the Conservative Party of Canada says he'd put Britain at the front of the queue:

    Problem with that is that they are not going to see power to be relevant to the debate
    This guy could be Canadian Prime Minister in 2020.
    Think it is unlikely with the popularity of Trudeau's new government
    Trudeau has done nothing so far, he is a nothing PM. Canada are about to embark on a Labour style spending binge just as it looks like the global economy could be heading into a downturn which could leave Canada's resources dependent economy open to severe damage. If the economy does turn within the next four years Trudeau's government will get the blame at the CPC will be back in now that the leadership is changing. If they don;t increase spending and there is a downturn/recession the current Canadian government would be returned with a smaller majority or minority, but their plan of increasing spending leaves them open to the attack of profligacy and squandering the hard won gains of the last 10 years.

    Without a recession it will play out exactly the same as Blair in 1997-2005, the government will become sclerotic and lose popularity and people will decide after the third go that it is time for change.

    Well my newly acquired large Canadian family following my sons recent marriage to a Canadian seem very delighted with Trudeau
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,179
    OchEye said:

    Just out of interest, I'm beginning to pick up a meme on US blogs. Don't know at this stage whether it will run or not, DYOR, but some are beginning to question The Donald's health. Seems his father displayed the early onset of Alzheimer's 6 years before his death. Trump's increasingly bizarre behaviour and seeming memory lapses are beginning to cause concern. This could make things more Interesting especially if Cruz and Kasich hang in to the convention.

    It sounds like desperation. He'll be running against Hillary or Bernie. His relative vitality has been and will be one of his selling points.

    Fred Trump lived to the age of 93.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,518

    MaxPB said:

    Oh, whoops. Another foreign politician for Brexit.

    One of the front runners for the leadership of the Conservative Party of Canada says he'd put Britain at the front of the queue:

    Problem with that is that they are not going to see power to be relevant to the debate
    This guy could be Canadian Prime Minister in 2020.
    Think it is unlikely with the popularity of Trudeau's new government
    Trudeau has done nothing so far, he is a nothing PM. Canada are about to embark on a Labour style spending binge just as it looks like the global economy could be heading into a downturn which could leave Canada's resources dependent economy open to severe damage. If the economy does turn within the next four years Trudeau's government will get the blame at the CPC will be back in now that the leadership is changing. If they don;t increase spending and there is a downturn/recession the current Canadian government would be returned with a smaller majority or minority, but their plan of increasing spending leaves them open to the attack of profligacy and squandering the hard won gains of the last 10 years.

    Without a recession it will play out exactly the same as Blair in 1997-2005, the government will become sclerotic and lose popularity and people will decide after the third go that it is time for change.

    Well my newly acquired large Canadian family following my sons recent marriage to a Canadian seem very delighted with Trudeau
    Well sure, he hasn't done anything to offend anyone yet, it's easy when it's all happy smiley time. Look at Dave in May of 2015 as an example of huge public support and universal support within the party, or even Clegg in May 2010. It's only when the hard times come that it tests the true popularity and class of a politician. Dave has shown time and again he has "it", Trudeau, by all accounts probably hasn't got "it" but the opposition hasn't got a leader yet so it probably doesn't matter at the moment. Trudeau is a classic lightweight politician, very reminiscent of Blair, except he doesn't have a bastard like Brown (or Osborne for that matter) to keep the show on the road if times get hard.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,646

    ...The Conservative Party of Canada has been united since 2003...

    That long! Impressive!. Are they wearing Big Boy Pants?... :)
  • PeterCPeterC Posts: 1,275
    The proposal that the EU is fantastic for young people is complete tripe. Youth unemployment accross southern Europe is c.a. 50%.
  • Spurs 1 WBA 1 Leicester win title if they beat Man Utd on Sunday at Old Trafford (only need 3 points from 3 games)
  • Was that Arsenal's best result since 2004?
  • I cannot understand why leave didn't appoint Dan Hannan as the leader of Brexit. He is so competent, persuasive and professional. Post the referendum he should enter the HOC and in my opinion would be a good prospect for a future PM

    I love Dan. Take a look at his Ici Londres series: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3XWdc6P3Yo
    Dan's awesome.
    A proper free market Thatcherite.

  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Hurrah for the Midlands!

    Except David Camerons Villa of course!
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    PeterC said:

    The proposal that the EU is fantastic for young people is complete tripe. Youth unemployment accross southern Europe is c.a. 50%.

    At a record low here though.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,068
    PeterC said:

    The proposal that the EU is fantastic for young people is complete tripe. Youth unemployment accross southern Europe is c.a. 50%.

    They're the wrong sort of young people.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited April 2016
    Wow. Leicester look like they've actually done it.

    Now 1/18 for the title on betfair.

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/football/market/1.118280148
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Oh, whoops. Another foreign politician for Brexit.

    One of the front runners for the leadership of the Conservative Party of Canada says he'd put Britain at the front of the queue:

    Problem with that is that they are not going to see power to be relevant to the debate
    This guy could be Canadian Prime Minister in 2020.
    Think it is unlikely with the popularity of Trudeau's new government
    Trudeau has done nothing so far, he is a nothing PM. Canada are about to embark on a Labour style spending binge just as it looks like the global economy could be heading into a downturn which could leave Canada's resources dependent economy open to severe damage. If the economy does turn within the next four years Trudeau's government will get the blame at the CPC will be back in now that the leadership is changing. If they don;t increase spending and there is a downturn/recession the current Canadian government would be returned with a smaller majority or minority, but their plan of increasing spending leaves them open to the attack of profligacy and squandering the hard won gains of the last 10 years.

    Without a recession it will play out exactly the same as Blair in 1997-2005, the government will become sclerotic and lose popularity and people will decide after the third go that it is time for change.

    Well my newly acquired large Canadian family following my sons recent marriage to a Canadian seem very delighted with Trudeau
    Well sure, he hasn't done anything to offend anyone yet, it's easy when it's all happy smiley time. Look at Dave in May of 2015 as an example of huge public support and universal support within the party, or even Clegg in May 2010. It's only when the hard times come that it tests the true popularity and class of a politician. Dave has shown time and again he has "it", Trudeau, by all accounts probably hasn't got "it" but the opposition hasn't got a leader yet so it probably doesn't matter at the moment. Trudeau is a classic lightweight politician, very reminiscent of Blair, except he doesn't have a bastard like Brown (or Osborne for that matter) to keep the show on the road if times get hard.
    Current Canadian opinion polls show the Liberals well in the lead . NDP support seems to have collapsed and an election now would see them go down from 44 seats to below 10 mostly going to the Liberals .
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,122

    Was that Arsenal's best result since 2004?

    Nah, this Spurs team is quite good and have gone about their business quietly and without much fuss. Far less objectionable that the mob that used to shout their mouths off at any given opportunity. My favourite Spurs moment was when they sacked Martin Jol at half time of their UEFA Cup game at home to Getafe in October 2007. They were 1-0 up and lost 2-1. Hilarious.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Hurrah for the Midlands!

    Except David Camerons Villa of course!

    Or was it West Ham fake Dave supports.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Scott_P said:
    The Medical Royal Colleges are banned by their charters from acting as Trade Unions. They cannot advocate striking.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,769

    Hurrah for the Midlands!

    Except David Camerons Villa of course!

    Gabby Agbonlahor Premier player of the season in every Coventry fan's eyes :D
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,518

    Current Canadian opinion polls show the Liberals well in the lead . NDP support seems to have collapsed and an election now would see them go down from 44 seats to below 10 mostly going to the Liberals .

    No doubt, but again this is all in the honeymoon and easy times. We have yet to see how well the personal support holds up during tough times and what the CPC leader will do to gain any kind of initiative since there isn't one yet.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Scott_P said:
    The Medical Royal Colleges are banned by their charters from acting as Trade Unions. They cannot advocate striking.
    Should be the same for the so-called British Medical Association. Maybe they should rename themselves National Union for Doctors instead of euphemistically implying they care about Medicine rather than be a Trade Union.
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699

    PeterC said:

    The proposal that the EU is fantastic for young people is complete tripe. Youth unemployment accross southern Europe is c.a. 50%.

    At a record low here though.
    No the lowest since 1983 was 9.7 % , currently 13.4% still twice as high as Germany
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @PolhomeEditor: BREAKING 57% of the public support all-out junior doctors' strike, says new poll https://t.co/38rsvDiNRH https://t.co/88yaOgKSeJ
  • PeterCPeterC Posts: 1,275
    edited April 2016

    PeterC said:

    The proposal that the EU is fantastic for young people is complete tripe. Youth unemployment accross southern Europe is c.a. 50%.

    At a record low here though.
    The defining characteristic of the EU is an unworkable single currency which is crushing the life out of great swathes of its zone of operation. We are not in that zone, thankfully, but the ruthless imposition of busted Euro dogma is what the EU is fundamentally about. It's what they do.
  • 57% support all-out junior doctors' strike, says new poll

    The Ipsos MORI survey for BBC News came as medics prepare for tomorrow's walkout, when emergency care will be withheld for the first time in the bitter dispute. A second walkout will take place on Wednesday.

    The poll showed that 57% of adults in England support the strike, while a quarter oppose it

    That compares to just 44% who said they would support the strike if emergency care was withheld when asked by the same pollsters in January.

    However, the strike had the support of 64% of the public last month, when emergency care was still being provided.

    Most people still think the Government is most at fault for the ongoing dispute, but an increasing number think ministers and doctors are equally to blame.

    More than a third - 35% - blame both sides equally, up from 28% in March and 18% in February.

    Some 54% say the Government is most at fault, but that is down from 57% in March and 64% in February.

    The proportion saying the doctors are at fault has also fallen to 8%, from 11% in March and 13% in February.

    https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/health-and-care/nhs/news/74260/57-support-all-out-junior-doctors-strike-says-new-poll
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,732
    edited April 2016

    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/hendopolis/status/724697602659373057

    The Medical Royal Colleges are banned by their charters from acting as Trade Unions. They cannot advocate striking.
    Don't some of those charters date back hundreds of years? I doubt they have explicit provisions preventing them from doing so.
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221
    shiney2 said:

    "David Cameron.....In the event, he didn’t even try. Following a mockery of a renegotiation, he now with almost unimaginable cynicism claims a Europe reformed and asks us to vote for it." --- Conservative sh Foreign Secretary


    Last 100days of Dodgy Dave.


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/25/after-40-years-of-being-lied-to-its-time-to-leave-the-eu/

    This Cameron message is just terrible. Hopefully he will be gone soon. May opening the bidding today. Dave, the utter Kinnock loving disloyalist.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,518
    edited April 2016
    Final point on Canada if MacKay wins the CPC leadership it will make things very interesting. Both major parties would have liberals in charge.
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221

    I cannot understand why leave didn't appoint Dan Hannan as the leader of Brexit. He is so competent, persuasive and professional. Post the referendum he should enter the HOC and in my opinion would be a good prospect for a future PM

    I love Dan. Take a look at his Ici Londres series: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3XWdc6P3Yo
    Dan's awesome.
    A proper free market Thatcherite.

    The man, as is Syed Kammal and Gove etc.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,690

    Oh, whoops. Another foreign politician for Brexit.

    One of the front runners for the leadership of the Conservative Party of Canada says he'd put Britain at the front of the queue:

    https://twitter.com/jkenney/status/723896023618347008

    https://twitter.com/jkenney/status/723896356964831232

    https://twitter.com/jkenney/status/723897042800656384

    Actually, I suspect it would be even quicker than he suggested, as Britain (in EFTA) could simply piggyback on the existing EFTA-Canada deal.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,576

    Scott_P said:
    The Medical Royal Colleges are banned by their charters from acting as Trade Unions. They cannot advocate striking.
    I'll take your word for it, although in that case odd for the Indy, which I presume has been supportive, would lead on that point.
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221

    Spurs 1 WBA 1 (WBA just equalised ) squeaky bum time for Spurs

    I love the fact that Spurs always blow it. Just love it. Up the Arsemal
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/hendopolis/status/724697602659373057

    The Medical Royal Colleges are banned by their charters from acting as Trade Unions. They cannot advocate striking.
    Don't some of those charters date back hundreds of years? I doubt they have explicit provisions preventing them from doing so.
    Some are old but the collegesof emergency medicine etc are just over a decade old. Their charters establish them as educational charities.
  • I cannot understand why leave didn't appoint Dan Hannan as the leader of Brexit. He is so competent, persuasive and professional. Post the referendum he should enter the HOC and in my opinion would be a good prospect for a future PM

    I love Dan. Take a look at his Ici Londres series:
    Dan's awesome.
    A proper free market Thatcherite.

    Thatcher was not a free marketeer, if it risked upsetting the bourgeoisie.
    She protected the farmers from the free market.
    She fought to keep the market-distorting MIRAS as long as she could.
    And of the course the council houses were sold below market price.


  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221
    JackW said:

    Latest ARSE4EU Referendum Projection Countdown

    12 hours 12 minutes 12 seconds

    Can you do a London Mayoral one? Perhaps Scotland and Wales. You are a God
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Scott_P said:
    The Medical Royal Colleges are banned by their charters from acting as Trade Unions. They cannot advocate striking.
    Should be the same for the so-called British Medical Association. Maybe they should rename themselves National Union for Doctors instead of euphemistically implying they care about Medicine rather than be a Trade Union.
    The BMA is a trade union but has other roles too. It is paid for by voluntary membership fees.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,179

    I cannot understand why leave didn't appoint Dan Hannan as the leader of Brexit. He is so competent, persuasive and professional. Post the referendum he should enter the HOC and in my opinion would be a good prospect for a future PM

    I love Dan. Take a look at his Ici Londres series:
    Dan's awesome.
    A proper free market Thatcherite.

    Thatcher was not a free marketeer, if it risked upsetting the bourgeoisie.
    She protected the farmers from the free market.
    She fought to keep the market-distorting MIRAS as long as she could.
    And of the course the council houses were sold below market price.
    Thatcher had convictions but she's a legendary politician because of what she achieved in the real world, not because of what she believed in. Sadly many of her most devoted acolytes get this the wrong way round.

    I've just read the Ancram piece. It's good that these utter failures who were responsible for giving Blair a free ride are crawling out to have their say. When they get defeated there's at least some small chance the result will stick.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,197
    Scott_P said:

    GeoffM said:

    The State whould set up a way for children to report on their parents if there's any suspicion that they might vote LEAVE. It's their patriotic duty.

    Luckily in Scotland they already have!
    In what appeared to be an endorsement for a parliamentary inquiry into the scheme, he said: “I want to make sure that if we do anything we do it properly, rather than in a cack-handed way. I think there should be warning bells ringing in [government] about the implementation of the Children and Young People Act, because there are serious concerns among professionals about it.”

    This view was echoed by Jim Eadie, an SNP MSP in the last parliament, who said: “I was proud to vote for the legislation but it is legitimate for people to ask questions and seek reassurance that the implementation of this will be adequately resourced. It should be kept under review as with all legislation and if it has to be modified and changed, that is appropriate.”

    A YouGov poll for The Times last month showed that the policy is unpopular with voters. Only 32 per cent of Scots support the scheme while 48 per cent oppose it. Within this, only 6 per cent strongly support it and 26 per cent strongly oppose it.
    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/scotland/sturgeon-faces-revolt-from-former-named-person-allies-m03gq3fqj

    Total bollox, real experts support it , only turnips like you that are bothered, if you have nothing to hide ?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    malcolmg said:

    Total bollox

    Is Jim Eadie going to get his jotters for voicing diissent...
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,656
    This has probably been pointed out earlier but worth mentioning just in case.

    Corbyn's lead in the satisfaction ratings is down mainly to Con voters.

    Cameron (satisfied/dissatisfied/net)

    Con: 71/24/+47
    Lab: 14/79/-65
    UKIP: 10/88/-78
    LD: 49/40/+9

    Corbyn

    Lab: 66/24/+42
    Con: 26/57/-31
    UKIP: 13/76/-63
    LD: 22/52/-30

    Not much love from UKIP for either which perhaps suggests that there is still scope for tactical voting. Without knowing how strongly UKIP voters feel, it's not possible to say whether they could be persuaded into a 'hold your nose' vote.
  • NormNorm Posts: 1,251
    You don't get me I'm part of the Union - oh wait.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fsydEln-4k
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,494

    Hurrah for the Midlands!

    Except David Camerons Villa of course!

    Didn't you say you had £2 on Leciester at 1000-1? Wow.
  • shiney2shiney2 Posts: 672
    edited April 2016

    I cannot understand why leave didn't appoint Dan Hannan as the leader of Brexit. He is so competent, persuasive and professional. Post the referendum he should enter the HOC and in my opinion would be a good prospect for a future PM

    I love Dan. Take a look at his Ici Londres series:
    Dan's awesome.
    A proper free market Thatcherite.


    "these utter failures who were responsible for giving Blair a free ride"


    Like Conservative Leader Michael Howard?

    The man who took seats off Blair and engineered Dodgy Dave's rise to LoO?

    This one?

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/feb/26/former-tory-leader-michael-howard-call-uk-leave-eu



    Why are they all now questioning Dodgy's judgement re the EU?
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    rcs1000 said:

    Oh, whoops. Another foreign politician for Brexit.

    One of the front runners for the leadership of the Conservative Party of Canada says he'd put Britain at the front of the queue:

    https://twitter.com/jkenney/status/723896023618347008

    https://twitter.com/jkenney/status/723896356964831232

    https://twitter.com/jkenney/status/723897042800656384

    Actually, I suspect it would be even quicker than he suggested, as Britain (in EFTA) could simply piggyback on the existing EFTA-Canada deal.

    Of course such a deal would maintain freedom of movement, and a wide array of EU arrangements. Second best to a proper Remain to me, but clearly not compatible with Nigel Farages vision of Brexit.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    The labour party keeping the finger on the pulse of the nation.

    Yvette Cooper ‏@YvetteCooperMP
    If you are as appalled as me that Gov refused to #helpchildrefugees lobby your MP now. We're not giving up. Alf has put new amendment
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,656

    Scott_P said:
    The Medical Royal Colleges are banned by their charters from acting as Trade Unions. They cannot advocate striking.
    Should be the same for the so-called British Medical Association. Maybe they should rename themselves National Union for Doctors instead of euphemistically implying they care about Medicine rather than be a Trade Union.
    The BMA is a trade union but has other roles too. It is paid for by voluntary membership fees.
    Aren't all trade unions paid for by voluntary membership fees?

    The fact that the BMA has other roles is not to its credit. Trade unions shouldn't be acting beyond their competence, nor should regulatory bodies (or the like) be acting as unions. If medical staff need a union - and they do - then it should be dedicated to that task and should avoid potential conflicts of interest, both for itself and its members.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,582
    A very Tottenham way to bow out. Miss a load of chances, then lose composure. The contrast with Leicester is stark. Still, it's a learning process. I just hope we don't have a meltdown now. With a bit of luck Leicester can beat Man Utd. That way Chelsea might not be bothered on the Monday. I don't like the look of the Newcastle game on the final day if they are still fighting for something.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Hurrah for the Midlands!

    Except David Camerons Villa of course!

    Didn't you say you had £2 on Leciester at 1000-1? Wow.
    Better than that £1 each way at 3000/1 from 15th August last year!

    I did tip Leicester to win the title when we were top in December at 20/1 on here, since then we have been top of the league for all but 47 minutes of that period.

    I also have a £1 on Leicester as top scoring team at 1000/1, but they look to be in second or third place there, unless we finish in style.

    Not complaining though. Foxes eat Cockerels for breakfast ;-)
  • EU f***ing betrayed Dave: Samantha Cameron blasted Goves in foul-mouthed tirade for backing Brexit

    EXCLUSIVE: Sarah Vine and Sam Cam have fallen out after being firm friends for 10 years

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/7104948/EU-fing-betrayed-Dave-Sam-Cam-blasted-Goves-in-foul-mouthed-tirade-over-backing-Brexit.html
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Scott_P said:
    The Medical Royal Colleges are banned by their charters from acting as Trade Unions. They cannot advocate striking.
    Should be the same for the so-called British Medical Association. Maybe they should rename themselves National Union for Doctors instead of euphemistically implying they care about Medicine rather than be a Trade Union.
    The BMA is a trade union but has other roles too. It is paid for by voluntary membership fees.
    Aren't all trade unions paid for by voluntary membership fees?

    The fact that the BMA has other roles is not to its credit. Trade unions shouldn't be acting beyond their competence, nor should regulatory bodies (or the like) be acting as unions. If medical staff need a union - and they do - then it should be dedicated to that task and should avoid potential conflicts of interest, both for itself and its members.
    The BMA has no regulatory functions, its other roles are educational. Regulation is primarily the GMC, with the Royal Colleges in advisory roles on educational and clinical governance matters. Deaneries control Junior doctor employment and are answerable directly to the Department of Health.

    Many doctors confuse the roles, so I am not surprised that outsiders do too.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 22,571

    Scott_P said:
    The Medical Royal Colleges are banned by their charters from acting as Trade Unions. They cannot advocate striking.
    Should be the same for the so-called British Medical Association. Maybe they should rename themselves National Union for Doctors instead of euphemistically implying they care about Medicine rather than be a Trade Union.
    The BMA is a trade union but has other roles too. It is paid for by voluntary membership fees.
    I wonder whether we will get a reformed BMA out of this?




  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,163

    I cannot understand why leave didn't appoint Dan Hannan as the leader of Brexit. He is so competent, persuasive and professional. Post the referendum he should enter the HOC and in my opinion would be a good prospect for a future PM

    I agree with you about Hannan's qualities, but he seems to prefer a quiet life outside the cut and thrust, doing his youtube videos and complaining about the EU (can't blame him for that, it's more than my contribution, which is confined to moaning on PB). I think he'd make an excellent PM.
    Make a donation, sign up with your local Leave campaign and/or deliver leaflets.

    Keyboard warriors aren't enough to win elections.
    Oh, I have thought about it, but in the hinterlands of Edinburgh, I feel it would be rather counter-productive. We've not even got the EU 'information' booklet, no-one talks about EUref, and I think letting sleeping dogs lie is probably a better strategy.

    I shall make a donation though. I think to Leave.EU though. I just don't trust Vote Leave to do anything vaguely useful with the money.
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    MattW said:

    Scott_P said:
    The Medical Royal Colleges are banned by their charters from acting as Trade Unions. They cannot advocate striking.
    Should be the same for the so-called British Medical Association. Maybe they should rename themselves National Union for Doctors instead of euphemistically implying they care about Medicine rather than be a Trade Union.
    The BMA is a trade union but has other roles too. It is paid for by voluntary membership fees.
    I wonder whether we will get a reformed BMA out of this?




    More likely a reconstituted Health Secretary .
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    MattW said:

    Scott_P said:
    The Medical Royal Colleges are banned by their charters from acting as Trade Unions. They cannot advocate striking.
    Should be the same for the so-called British Medical Association. Maybe they should rename themselves National Union for Doctors instead of euphemistically implying they care about Medicine rather than be a Trade Union.
    The BMA is a trade union but has other roles too. It is paid for by voluntary membership fees.
    I wonder whether we will get a reformed BMA out of this?

    I am not sure what you mean. The BMA is a democratic organisation, not answerable to anyone other than its members. Many of those are very glad that it is showing some backbone, it has previously had a reputation for being spineless.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,518

    A very Tottenham way to bow out. Miss a load of chances, then lose composure. The contrast with Leicester is stark. Still, it's a learning process. I just hope we don't have a meltdown now. With a bit of luck Leicester can beat Man Utd. That way Chelsea might not be bothered on the Monday. I don't like the look of the Newcastle game on the final day if they are still fighting for something.

    We've had slip ups before and always come back strong, I'm not worried.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,347
    edited April 2016

    The labour party keeping the finger on the pulse of the nation.

    Yvette Cooper ‏@YvetteCooperMP
    If you are as appalled as me that Gov refused to #helpchildrefugees lobby your MP now. We're not giving up. Alf has put new amendment

    I presume Casa Cooper-Balls is overflowing with Syrian refugee guests as promised...or.perhaps not!!!!
  • Newsnight
    LEAVE side have real experts and are blowing away the REMAIN side. Penny excellent and the Colonel and the ex plod all know their brief.

    Then there is the dire REMAIN side. We have "onest" Al Johnson talking in generalties and shown up by Penny by his lack of experience and expertise in military matters. Shami waffling on about the poor migrants and refugees.

    The one expert is the wooden top head of europol. Chap from europol clearly so worried about losing his job if we Brexit that he is doing free PR stints for REMAIN. Impartial civil servant my ar**. He was dismissed by the ex plod with the retort that the intelligence from europe for anti-terrorism was very minor. He also ointed out that interpol was mor important as it has over 100 nations co-operating for more years than the (tiny) europol....
  • Newsnight - shame that barely 1/2 million people will see it.
    Penny to be admired for appearing despite the mark on her. Very admirable for a woman. This lady has cojones.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Is NightHawks going to return to PB sometime?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,646

    ...Penny to be admired for appearing despite the mark on her...

    OK, I give up. Black spot? Grey scale? Siren mark? It Follows? What?
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,582
    MaxPB said:

    A very Tottenham way to bow out. Miss a load of chances, then lose composure. The contrast with Leicester is stark. Still, it's a learning process. I just hope we don't have a meltdown now. With a bit of luck Leicester can beat Man Utd. That way Chelsea might not be bothered on the Monday. I don't like the look of the Newcastle game on the final day if they are still fighting for something.

    We've had slip ups before and always come back strong, I'm not worried.

    The problem now is that the title is gone. That's bound to affect the players and will have an impact on their focus. I would not be surprised if Spurs didn't win again this season. I can see City finishing above us, possibly Arsenal too.

  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,646

    Scott_P said:
    The Medical Royal Colleges are banned by their charters from acting as Trade Unions. They cannot advocate striking.
    Should be the same for the so-called British Medical Association. Maybe they should rename themselves National Union for Doctors instead of euphemistically implying they care about Medicine rather than be a Trade Union.
    The BMA is a trade union but has other roles too. It is paid for by voluntary membership fees.
    Aren't all trade unions paid for by voluntary membership fees?

    The fact that the BMA has other roles is not to its credit. Trade unions shouldn't be acting beyond their competence, nor should regulatory bodies (or the like) be acting as unions. If medical staff need a union - and they do - then it should be dedicated to that task and should avoid potential conflicts of interest, both for itself and its members.
    The BMA has no regulatory functions, its other roles are educational. Regulation is primarily the GMC, with the Royal Colleges in advisory roles on educational and clinical governance matters. Deaneries control Junior doctor employment and are answerable directly to the Department of Health.

    Many doctors confuse the roles, so I am not surprised that outsiders do too.
    I do have a question and I wonder if you can help me. Many US surgeons advertise themselves as "board certified" and have to pass tests periodically to keep their certification. I think the situation in UK is different - a surgeon does his initial training (at a medical school or university) then does jobs of gradually rising responsibility until he retires: log books may be kept but they are voluntary, not compulsory nor inspected. Similarly for doctors.

    So my questions are:
    * Is my understanding regarding surgeons correct?
    * Is my understanding regarding doctors correct?
    * What qualifications does a person have to have to call himself a) a surgeon, b) a doctor, c) a physician?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,163
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/ttip-uk-government-only-did-one-assessment-of-trade-deal-and-found-it-had-lots-of-risks-and-no-a6999646.html

    Lots of risks and no benefits was the LSE's verdict on TTIP. Revealed after a FOI request. Of course received PB wisdom tells us TTIP is a brilliant idea because free trade is always good, right?
  • Sugar.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Newsnight
    LEAVE side have real experts and are blowing away the REMAIN side. Penny excellent and the Colonel and the ex plod all know their brief.

    Then there is the dire REMAIN side. We have "onest" Al Johnson talking in generalties and shown up by Penny by his lack of experience and expertise in military matters. Shami waffling on about the poor migrants and refugees.

    The one expert is the wooden top head of europol. Chap from europol clearly so worried about losing his job if we Brexit that he is doing free PR stints for REMAIN. Impartial civil servant my ar**. He was dismissed by the ex plod with the retort that the intelligence from europe for anti-terrorism was very minor. He also ointed out that interpol was mor important as it has over 100 nations co-operating for more years than the (tiny) europol....

    The LEAVE brain trust has a lot of work to do.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    AndyJS said:

    Is NightHawks going to return to PB sometime?

    I used to love the reading list of interesting articles / comment pieces.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    More evidence that the Cruz-Kasich pact is backfiring:

    https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/724721438951890944

    Goodnight.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Der Trump in Wilkes-Barre, PA
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmBA23hneXk
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited April 2016

    "No doubt OUT is doing the same about other sub-groups."

    I doubt it. It simply lacks the resources and the split with rival camps impaired the preparation needed for this.

    That struck me as optimistic too. So far we have seen one campaign that is disciplined, focussed, with a clear agenda and defined 'grid' that has learned from previous referendums. And as we saw with Obama, its not LEAVE.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    Oh, whoops. Another foreign politician for Brexit.

    That's an OUTRAGE!!!!! How DARE he involve himself in a truly domestic matter for the UK electorate? Its frankly arrant nonsense

    So, we have:

    Marine Le Pen
    Donald Trump
    Some Canadian.....


    Who else?
  • "Why Cameron and his team are targeting parents with children"

    Well, I suppose it makes more sense than targeting parents without children.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216


    Lots of risks and no benefits was the LSE's verdict on TTIP. Revealed after a FOI request. Of course received PB wisdom tells us TTIP is a brilliant idea because free trade is always good, right?

    No, it's LEAVE that's all for Free Trade Deals and objections to the protectionist monstrosity that is the EU......
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Danny565 said:

    AndyJS said:

    Is NightHawks going to return to PB sometime?

    I used to love the reading list of interesting articles / comment pieces.
    Also it was great when Marf appeared regularly on PB.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,646

    ...Lots of risks and no benefits...

    Is there anything else happening recently that could be characterised as "...lots of risks and no benefits..." Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    I love the way the media gives names to these multiple primary days.

    When it was Super Tuesday in the states with South Eastern Conference football it was dubbed the SEC Primary.

    Tomorrow's 5 state primary is being called the Acela Primary. The Acela is Amtrak's high speed train on the northeastern I-95 corridor.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Looks like the BBC MH17 documentary will take a critical look at the MH17 conspiracies. I hope they point out that:

    It was harvest time and she was having a break when she heard a loud bang. She looked up at the sky and saw black smoke and what she describes as "two aeroplanes, little ones like silver toys" fly in different directions.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35706048

    The witness heard the loud bang 30 seconds after the explosion took place, so will have seen bits of the disintegrating aircraft (the Dutch report has the disintegration starting within seconds of the strike)
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    Looks like the BBC MH17 documentary will take a critical look at the MH17 conspiracies. I hope they point out that:

    It was harvest time and she was having a break when she heard a loud bang. She looked up at the sky and saw black smoke and what she describes as "two aeroplanes, little ones like silver toys" fly in different directions.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35706048

    The witness heard the loud bang 30 seconds after the explosion took place, so will have seen bits of the disintegrating aircraft (the Dutch report has the disintegration starting within seconds of the strike)

    Seconded!
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,646

    Oh, whoops. Another foreign politician for Brexit.

    That's an OUTRAGE!!!!! How DARE he involve himself in a truly domestic matter for the UK electorate? Its frankly arrant nonsense

    So, we have:

    Marine Le Pen
    Donald Trump
    Some Canadian.....


    Who else?
    He is not "Some Canadian"! How very dare you! He is somebody who might be the next leader of a party. That might be in government in Canada. In four years' time. Possibly. Could. Might....
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    viewcode said:

    ...Lots of risks and no benefits...

    Is there anything else happening recently that could be characterised as "...lots of risks and no benefits..." Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
    A fly sliding down a razor blade using its balls as brakes?
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Cruz and Kasich forming an alliance to try to stop Trump. It's a bit late.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    The Global Conspiracy (©John Redwood) has reached the South Atlantic:

    Leaving the European Union would fuel Argentinian aggression towards the Falkland Islands, a senior representative from the territory has warned.

    Sukey Cameron, the Falkland Islands government representative in the UK, said an Out vote “might encourage Argentina to be much more aggressive”.

    She also warned that Brexit could be “catastrophic” to Islanders because about 70 per cent of their economic growth is dependent on access to the EU market.


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/25/leaving-eu-would-fuel-argentinian-aggression-towards-falkland-is/
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    Looks like the BBC MH17 documentary will take a critical look at the MH17 conspiracies. I hope they point out that:

    It was harvest time and she was having a break when she heard a loud bang. She looked up at the sky and saw black smoke and what she describes as "two aeroplanes, little ones like silver toys" fly in different directions.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35706048

    The witness heard the loud bang 30 seconds after the explosion took place, so will have seen bits of the disintegrating aircraft (the Dutch report has the disintegration starting within seconds of the strike)

    Seconded!
    Oops! The seconded was intended for AndyJS's comment on Marf
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,646
    Tim_B said:

    viewcode said:

    ...Lots of risks and no benefits...

    Is there anything else happening recently that could be characterised as "...lots of risks and no benefits..." Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
    A fly sliding down a razor blade using its balls as brakes?
    Would I be unbearably pedantic if I pointed out that flies, which are insects not mammals, have no requirement to keep their testicle-equivalents outside their body and so do not have a nutsack?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    viewcode said:

    Oh, whoops. Another foreign politician for Brexit.

    That's an OUTRAGE!!!!! How DARE he involve himself in a truly domestic matter for the UK electorate? Its frankly arrant nonsense

    So, we have:

    Marine Le Pen
    Donald Trump
    Some Canadian.....


    Who else?
    He is not "Some Canadian"! How very dare you! He is somebody who might be the next leader of a party. That might be in government in Canada. In four years' time. Possibly. Could. Might....
    Do you think LEAVE will bring up his anti-British post colonial Irish heritage?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Tim_B said:

    Cruz and Kasich forming an alliance to try to stop Trump. It's a bit late.

    Can't believe they thought the pact was a good idea. It plays right into Trump's narrative.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/04/25/why-the-ted-cruz-john-kasich-alliance-is-destined-to-fail/
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