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Genuine question: what are turnips like to eat?
I imagine them being comparable to parsnips, which in turn makes me wonder how they are when roasted.
Mr. Eagles, not today. Down the line? Perhaps. We know an awful lot of the Establishment will line up to throw away our own monetary policy for a special seat in the euroclub.0 -
Scott was using Tory forecasting methods to count, just surprising it was only 50% out rather than the usual 250%Alistair said:
I only got 21 when I counted (22 if you include a partial image of her left arm) but given most of them are group shots in a huge montage I suppose she could be one of the stick figures in there if you used a magnifying glass.Scott_P said:
The SNP were hoping to go one better. They put 31 pictures of Nicola in the manifesto so that even their supporters who can't read know where to put their mark...Alistair said:Perusing the Conservative manifesto I see they are suggesting a surprising radical plan to improve educational standards by simplifying the English language to contain just the words "Ruth Davidson for a Strong Opposition"
Another way of looking at it is pictures of Saint Nicola blessed be her name are on 4 pages of the manifesto as opposed to the six pages of giant, often full page, shots of evil tory Ruth Davidson in the Conservative manifesto0 -
But which side would Brown and Balls have been on? As they opposed it and successfully blocked Blair via the Red Lion pub.TheScreamingEagles said:
I think the pound in people's pocket is something the country would never give up.Sean_F said:
The campaign would have been along the lines that the sensible moderate people (eg Tony Blair, Paddy Ashdown, Ken Clarke, Charles Kennedy) , big businesses, trade unions, the CBI, the FT, the Economist, foreign leaders, all saw Euro membership as the future, whereas only the stuck in the mud little Englanders wanted to keep Sterling.TheScreamingEagles said:
The campaign would be do you want The Queen on your money or some Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey?Sean_F said:
I think that Blair might well have pulled it off, at the height of his powers.Casino_Royale said:
If Blair had called one in 2002 we would have got exactly the same shit during a pro-euro referendum campaign as we're getting now, probably with not a handful of Tory turncoats joining in too.Sean_F said:
If we were given that choice, I would anticipate that the Great and the Good, and the foreign leaders, would favour our joining the Euro.Morris_Dancer said:Dr. Foxinsox, permanent?
Hmm.
Eurozone integration deepening over the next decade seems all but certain. QMV mass gives them the right to impose what they wish on the rest of the EU. And suppose we get the choice of joining the euro or leaving the EU?
Today, we'd vote to leave on that basis. But years down the line, that may not be the case.
Working against it would have been the strong day-to-day brand and use of the pound, plus the fact it was the status quo.
But just how close would it have been?0 -
Has the 1993 Home Nations agreement been rescinded?TheScreamingEagles said:
If you're a UK citizen and resident, you can play any of the four home countries, so long as you've not played in a competitive match for another's age group team.Pulpstar said:
Can't see any Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish in his ancestry.TheScreamingEagles said:
All four Home Nations, The USA, and TurkeyPulpstar said:Which football teams would Boris qualify to play for ?
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By an astonishing coincidence we have on this forum one of the realm's foremost experts on turnip farming....Morris_Dancer said:Genuine question: what are turnips like to eat?
I imagine them being comparable to parsnips, which in turn makes me wonder how they are when roasted.
Mr. Eagles, not today. Down the line? Perhaps. We know an awful lot of the Establishment will line up to throw away our own monetary policy for a special seat in the euroclub.
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They are not really like parsnips. They can be absolutely delicious, boiled and glazed. But you do need small, young ones.Morris_Dancer said:Genuine question: what are turnips like to eat?
I imagine them being comparable to parsnips, which in turn makes me wonder how they are when roasted.
Incidentally, it is one of the great curiosities of life that parsnips are almost unknown to the French.0 -
The UK will never give up Sterling. We like our pound and there will be a referendum if any politician tried to sign us up into the Euro.Morris_Dancer said:Genuine question: what are turnips like to eat?
I imagine them being comparable to parsnips, which in turn makes me wonder how they are when roasted.
Mr. Eagles, not today. Down the line? Perhaps. We know an awful lot of the Establishment will line up to throw away our own monetary policy for a special seat in the euroclub.0 -
You seriously think people don't think/remember she's a Tory?malcolmg said:
Rob, how desperate can it be when they have to hide the TORY to try and get into double digit votes. Pathetic campaign by lickspittle lapdogs.RobD said:
Anyone who doesn't know she's a Tory is living under a rock.Alistair said:
Perusing the Conservative manifesto I see they are suggesting a surprising radical plan to improve educational standards by simplifying the English language to contain just the words "Ruth Davidson for a Strong Opposition"Sean_F said:
This is pretty ineffectual stuff. The SNP are about to win all but three or four constituencies.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/scottynational/status/722737466545979392OchEye said:The SNP are a one trick pony, now with one leg broken, but will hirple along for a time while Sturgeon offers vague promises to the cult and, hopefully, in a few years the carcass will be buried and forgotten.
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Goldsmith seems to have suffered a personality loss. He comes across as an empty suit. I think he's trying to avoid negatives and in doing so has managed to remove any positives too.
The Tories best chance is that the campaign is so lackadaisical on both sides that few people actually vote, and that there's unexpected enthusiasm for doing so in the leafy places.
Khan won't be good, but I can't see him dropping his total ineffectualism, and as such perhaps he'll do little bad.
I think they're both poor candidates. I'd tick the 'someone else' box if there was one - apart of course that is from the other actual candidates. I know very little about them generally, but the little I do know encourages me to avoid them like the plague. (sorry plague)0 -
Wasn't it superseded by the 2009 agreement?Alistair said:
Has the 1993 Home Nations agreement been rescinded?TheScreamingEagles said:
If you're a UK citizen and resident, you can play any of the four home countries, so long as you've not played in a competitive match for another's age group team.Pulpstar said:
Can't see any Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish in his ancestry.TheScreamingEagles said:
All four Home Nations, The USA, and TurkeyPulpstar said:Which football teams would Boris qualify to play for ?
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In Glasgow Conservative leaflets are asking people to vote for Ruth Davidson on the list. They are pretty much banking on people forgetting she is a Tory.RobD said:
You seriously think people don't think/remember she's a Tory?malcolmg said:
Rob, how desperate can it be when they have to hide the TORY to try and get into double digit votes. Pathetic campaign by lickspittle lapdogs.RobD said:
Anyone who doesn't know she's a Tory is living under a rock.Alistair said:
Perusing the Conservative manifesto I see they are suggesting a surprising radical plan to improve educational standards by simplifying the English language to contain just the words "Ruth Davidson for a Strong Opposition"Sean_F said:
This is pretty ineffectual stuff. The SNP are about to win all but three or four constituencies.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/scottynational/status/722737466545979392OchEye said:The SNP are a one trick pony, now with one leg broken, but will hirple along for a time while Sturgeon offers vague promises to the cult and, hopefully, in a few years the carcass will be buried and forgotten.
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Scott was using Tory forecasting methods to count, just surprising it was only 50% out rather than the usual 250%Alistair said:
I only got 21 when I counted (22 if you include a partial image of her left arm) but given most of them are group shots in a huge montage I suppose she could be one of the stick figures in there if you used a magnifying glass.Scott_P said:
The SNP were hoping to go one better. They put 31 pictures of Nicola in the manifesto so that even their supporters who can't read know where to put their mark...Alistair said:Perusing the Conservative manifesto I see they are suggesting a surprising radical plan to improve educational standards by simplifying the English language to contain just the words "Ruth Davidson for a Strong Opposition"
Another way of looking at it is pictures of Saint Nicola blessed be her name are on 4 pages of the manifesto as opposed to the six pages of giant, often full page, shots of evil tory Ruth Davidson in the Conservative manifesto
MD, you cube them and boil them, then mash with a little butter , pepper etc. Bit dense for roasting compared to parsnips.Morris_Dancer said:Genuine question: what are turnips like to eat?
I imagine them being comparable to parsnips, which in turn makes me wonder how they are when roasted.
Mr. Eagles, not today. Down the line? Perhaps. We know an awful lot of the Establishment will line up to throw away our own monetary policy for a special seat in the euroclub.0 -
Shows how much attention I pay to football.TheScreamingEagles said:
Wasn't it superseded by the 2009 agreement?Alistair said:
Has the 1993 Home Nations agreement been rescinded?TheScreamingEagles said:
If you're a UK citizen and resident, you can play any of the four home countries, so long as you've not played in a competitive match for another's age group team.Pulpstar said:
Can't see any Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish in his ancestry.TheScreamingEagles said:
All four Home Nations, The USA, and TurkeyPulpstar said:Which football teams would Boris qualify to play for ?
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Talking of dubious associations, you don't give the impression of being entirely at home with the Leave camp. Are you sure you want to vote with them? In theory, of course, one should vote on the merits rather than on who happens to agree. But the direct consequence of Leave will immedaitely be a pro-Leave Prime Minister, and it's quite hard to see past Boris in that case. And I may be biased, but I find it very hard to imagine a negotiation between Boris and the EU resulting in a productive outcome.Cyclefree said:
I agree. I think the attacks on Obama are silly and pointless.0 -
The most pro EU speech I have ever heard David Cameron make. Let there be no doubt he is in this to win this0
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Mr. Eagles, and one if we ever give powers to the EU, or on Lisbon.
Even if there were a vote, a few years down the line with both major parties and those dreadfully important international organisations and leaders supporting a Yes vote, it's a credible possibility.
I hope it never happens, but just assuming something won't is complacent.
Mr. Nabavi, I very rarely boil vegetables, and I don't think I've ever glazed any.
Roast parsnips are perhaps my favourite food. The French ignorance of their excellence is deeply suspicious.
Edited extra bit: and thanks for the answer
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A recent poll re her and labour leader showed that almost half of people polled did not know them , she fared a bit better than Labour but many many people did not know who she was.RobD said:
You seriously think people don't think/remember she's a Tory?malcolmg said:
Rob, how desperate can it be when they have to hide the TORY to try and get into double digit votes. Pathetic campaign by lickspittle lapdogs.RobD said:
Anyone who doesn't know she's a Tory is living under a rock.Alistair said:
Perusing the Conservative manifesto I see they are suggesting a surprising radical plan to improve educational standards by simplifying the English language to contain just the words "Ruth Davidson for a Strong Opposition"Sean_F said:
This is pretty ineffectual stuff. The SNP are about to win all but three or four constituencies.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/scottynational/status/722737466545979392OchEye said:The SNP are a one trick pony, now with one leg broken, but will hirple along for a time while Sturgeon offers vague promises to the cult and, hopefully, in a few years the carcass will be buried and forgotten.
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And he's never been anything but a convicted Europhile.Big_G_NorthWales said:The most pro EU speech I have ever heard David Cameron make. Let there be no doubt he is in this to win this
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RobD said:
By an astonishing coincidence we have on this forum one of the realm's foremost experts on turnip farming....Morris_Dancer said:Genuine question: what are turnips like to eat?
I imagine them being comparable to parsnips, which in turn makes me wonder how they are when roasted.
Mr. Eagles, not today. Down the line? Perhaps. We know an awful lot of the Establishment will line up to throw away our own monetary policy for a special seat in the euroclub. yum yum 0 -
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evidence if it were needed that France is not a civilised country....Richard_Nabavi said:
They are not really like parsnips. They can be absolutely delicious, boiled and glazed. But you do need small, young ones.Morris_Dancer said:Genuine question: what are turnips like to eat?
I imagine them being comparable to parsnips, which in turn makes me wonder how they are when roasted.
Incidentally, it is one of the great curiosities of life that parsnips are almost unknown to the French.
.... much like Sussex, where you should know what northerners call turnips you call swede0 -
A referendum conducted in the same way as this one. Good luck with your 'keeping the £'.TheScreamingEagles said:
The UK will never give up Sterling. We like our pound and there will be a referendum if any politician tried to sign us up into the Euro.Morris_Dancer said:Genuine question: what are turnips like to eat?
I imagine them being comparable to parsnips, which in turn makes me wonder how they are when roasted.
Mr. Eagles, not today. Down the line? Perhaps. We know an awful lot of the Establishment will line up to throw away our own monetary policy for a special seat in the euroclub.0 -
The answer Mr Burt's question is Russia.AlastairMeeks said:More intra-Conservative fire:
https://twitter.com/AlistairBurtMP/status/7235340783063203840 -
Turnip is delicious. Swede is delicious. (This happy coincidence avoids any difficulty about which is which).
Parsnip is the excrement of the devil.0 -
Shouldn't that be turnip-mashing?RobD said:
By an astonishing coincidence we have on this forum one of the realm's foremost experts on turnip farming....Morris_Dancer said:Genuine question: what are turnips like to eat?
I imagine them being comparable to parsnips, which in turn makes me wonder how they are when roasted.
Mr. Eagles, not today. Down the line? Perhaps. We know an awful lot of the Establishment will line up to throw away our own monetary policy for a special seat in the euroclub.0 -
Nonsense. Honey glazed parsnips are awesome.AlastairMeeks said:Turnip is delicious. Swede is delicious. (This happy coincidence avoids any difficulty about which is which).
Parsnip is the excrement of the devil.0 -
Hello Alan, I did not want to disabuse him that you do not get small turnips and would need a VAT if you were glazing them.Alanbrooke said:
evidence if it were needed that France is not a civilised country....Richard_Nabavi said:
They are not really like parsnips. They can be absolutely delicious, boiled and glazed. But you do need small, young ones.Morris_Dancer said:Genuine question: what are turnips like to eat?
I imagine them being comparable to parsnips, which in turn makes me wonder how they are when roasted.
Incidentally, it is one of the great curiosities of life that parsnips are almost unknown to the French.
.... much like Sussex, where you should know what northerners call turnips you call swede0 -
Roasted parsnips are lovely.AlastairMeeks said:Turnip is delicious. Swede is delicious. (This happy coincidence avoids any difficulty about which is which).
Parsnip is the excrement of the devil.
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And so is Parsnips Molly Parkin (various recipes on the 'net) - a superb vegetarian dish in its own right, and also excellent with sausages or pork chops.TheScreamingEagles said:
Nonsense. Honey glazed parsnips are awesome.AlastairMeeks said:Turnip is delicious. Swede is delicious. (This happy coincidence avoids any difficulty about which is which).
Parsnip is the excrement of the devil.0 -
Maple syrup is even better than honey.TheScreamingEagles said:Honey glazed parsnips are awesome.
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True, but then I don't tend to go North for gastronomic tips.Alanbrooke said:
evidence if it were needed that France is not a civilised country....Richard_Nabavi said:
They are not really like parsnips. They can be absolutely delicious, boiled and glazed. But you do need small, young ones.Morris_Dancer said:Genuine question: what are turnips like to eat?
I imagine them being comparable to parsnips, which in turn makes me wonder how they are when roasted.
Incidentally, it is one of the great curiosities of life that parsnips are almost unknown to the French.
.... much like Sussex, where you should know what northerners call turnips you call swede0 -
But the plausible scenario in which this would arise would be one where full participation in the EU became conditional upon Euro membership. Surely the current warnings of famine, pestilence and generalised death would continue to apply, meaning that (no doubt with a heavy heart) exactly the same establishment cast as today would declare in favour of remaining in and joining the euro.TheScreamingEagles said:
The UK will never give up Sterling. We like our pound and there will be a referendum if any politician tried to sign us up into the Euro.Morris_Dancer said:Genuine question: what are turnips like to eat?
I imagine them being comparable to parsnips, which in turn makes me wonder how they are when roasted.
Mr. Eagles, not today. Down the line? Perhaps. We know an awful lot of the Establishment will line up to throw away our own monetary policy for a special seat in the euroclub.
The last few weeks have shown the Hotel California nature of the club. As long as the frog-boiling is gradual enough, we can never leave, regardless of the destination.
That said I think I'm coming round to Remain.0 -
Everyone who is today. Life goes on.AlastairMeeks said:More intra-Conservative fire:
https://twitter.com/AlistairBurtMP/status/723534078306320384
Should the US only be permitted to vote Democrat since it seems most of its allies dislike the Republicans?0 -
I didn't realise you were Canadian.Scott_P said:
Maple syrup is even better than honey.TheScreamingEagles said:Honey glazed parsnips are awesome.
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Aww, is that Remain's latest attack line?TheScreamingEagles said:
The answer Mr Burt's question is Russia.AlastairMeeks said:More intra-Conservative fire:
https://twitter.com/AlistairBurtMP/status/723534078306320384
There's not going to be much left of the Tory Party by June. What a legacy for Cameron.0 -
Perhaps the Treasury could dig out its 2003 report suggesting trade would rise by 50% if we joined the euro, and turn that into another big number per household.watford30 said:
A referendum conducted in the same way as this one. Good luck with your 'keeping the £'.TheScreamingEagles said:
The UK will never give up Sterling. We like our pound and there will be a referendum if any politician tried to sign us up into the Euro.Morris_Dancer said:Genuine question: what are turnips like to eat?
I imagine them being comparable to parsnips, which in turn makes me wonder how they are when roasted.
Mr. Eagles, not today. Down the line? Perhaps. We know an awful lot of the Establishment will line up to throw away our own monetary policy for a special seat in the euroclub.
Or would they go for Rose's old estimate that currency unions raise trade 200% (which falls to zero if you tweak his model just slightly)?0 -
Lol!Richard_Nabavi said:
Yet you want to deny others the fun of calling Leavers fruitcakes and loons. Spoil-sport!Casino_Royale said:
It makes me feel better though.Richard_Nabavi said:
Precisely right. It's not the effect of any one intervention, it's the cumulative effect of sowing doubt in voters' minds which will be significant. As I've said many times, the Remain side don't need to win the argument, they only need to sow doubt about the leap in the dark. The Leave side's knee-jerk reaction of trying to trash anyone who warns about the leap in the dark won't help one iota in this, in fact it is likely to be counter-productive.Cyclefree said:That may be true. But that does not mean that those voters will vote Leave on June 23rd. And that is the point which those leaders of the Leave campaign are missing.
While they're busy saying rude things or accusing this or that foreign leader of hypocrisy or anti-Britishness or thinking the EU has ruined the cheese the moon is made of, the voters have probably absorbed two facts: (1) leaving will cost them ca. 4 grand; and (2) no-one important around the world seems to think it a good idea.
It's just so much fun calling Remainers quislings, cowards and traitors.0 -
Mr. G, couldn't they be cut into smaller pieces for the roasting?
Interesting that both you and Mr. Nabavi advocate boiling. Huzzah for the Concord of Turnips!0 -
well the small turnips should be served galzed with sping vegetables and lamb.malcolmg said:
Hello Alan, I did not want to disabuse him that you do not get small turnips and would need a VAT if you were glazing them.Alanbrooke said:
evidence if it were needed that France is not a civilised country....Richard_Nabavi said:
They are not really like parsnips. They can be absolutely delicious, boiled and glazed. But you do need small, young ones.Morris_Dancer said:Genuine question: what are turnips like to eat?
I imagine them being comparable to parsnips, which in turn makes me wonder how they are when roasted.
Incidentally, it is one of the great curiosities of life that parsnips are almost unknown to the French.
.... much like Sussex, where you should know what northerners call turnips you call swede
But in the depth of winter I just love mashed swede with stacks of butter, cream and black pepper. Or mashed up with carrot and parsnip.
Serve with rich thick gravy and beef or lamb.0 -
If it was a case for Joining the Euro or leaving the EU, I'd leave in a heartbeat.Polruan said:
But the plausible scenario in which this would arise would be one where full participation in the EU became conditional upon Euro membership. Surely the current warnings of famine, pestilence and generalised death would continue to apply, meaning that (no doubt with a heavy heart) exactly the same establishment cast as today would declare in favour of remaining in and joining the euro.TheScreamingEagles said:
The UK will never give up Sterling. We like our pound and there will be a referendum if any politician tried to sign us up into the Euro.Morris_Dancer said:Genuine question: what are turnips like to eat?
I imagine them being comparable to parsnips, which in turn makes me wonder how they are when roasted.
Mr. Eagles, not today. Down the line? Perhaps. We know an awful lot of the Establishment will line up to throw away our own monetary policy for a special seat in the euroclub.
The last few weeks have shown the Hotel California nature of the club. As long as the frog-boiling is gradual enough, we can never leave, regardless of the destination.
That said I think I'm coming round to Remain.0 -
Well, they're removing one big clue to her Toryness.RobD said:
Anyone who doesn't know she's a Tory is living under a rock.Alistair said:
Perusing the Conservative manifesto I see they are suggesting a surprising radical plan to improve educational standards by simplifying the English language to contain just the words "Ruth Davidson for a Strong Opposition"Sean_F said:
This is pretty ineffectual stuff. The SNP are about to win all but three or four constituencies.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/scottynational/status/722737466545979392OchEye said:The SNP are a one trick pony, now with one leg broken, but will hirple along for a time while Sturgeon offers vague promises to the cult and, hopefully, in a few years the carcass will be buried and forgotten.
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If you want roasting cut them mix with potatoes, carrots, parsnips and onions. Add garlic and thyme and roast them all together. Goes well with any roast or casserole.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. G, couldn't they be cut into smaller pieces for the roasting?
Interesting that both you and Mr. Nabavi advocate boiling. Huzzah for the Concord of Turnips!0 -
On balance, I think agree with Sean.TheScreamingEagles said:
I think the pound in people's pocket is something the country would never give up.Sean_F said:
The campaign would have been along the lines that the sensible moderate people (eg Tony Blair, Paddy Ashdown, Ken Clarke, Charles Kennedy) , big businesses, trade unions, the CBI, the FT, the Economist, foreign leaders, all saw Euro membership as the future, whereas only the stuck in the mud little Englanders wanted to keep Sterling.TheScreamingEagles said:
The campaign would be do you want The Queen on your money or some Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey?Sean_F said:
I think that Blair might well have pulled it off, at the height of his powers.Casino_Royale said:
If Blair had called one in 2002 we would have got exactly the same shit during a pro-euro referendum campaign as we're getting now, probably with not a handful of Tory turncoats joining in too.Sean_F said:
If we were given that choice, I would anticipate that the Great and the Good, and the foreign leaders, would favour our joining the Euro.Morris_Dancer said:Dr. Foxinsox, permanent?
Hmm.
Eurozone integration deepening over the next decade seems all but certain. QMV mass gives them the right to impose what they wish on the rest of the EU. And suppose we get the choice of joining the euro or leaving the EU?
Today, we'd vote to leave on that basis. But years down the line, that may not be the case.
Working against it would have been the strong day-to-day brand and use of the pound, plus the fact it was the status quo.
But just how close would it have been?
There was some interesting polling at the time (around 2001-2002) showing people could be persuaded. Also there was no UKIP, we might have had a pro-euro Tory leader, a split party (like now) and then it might have just been the Telegraph and the Mail holding the fort.
I felt in even more of a minority then defending Sterling than I do now defending Leave, although I was at Bristol.0 -
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We could expect posts along the lines 'The only way we can defeat the Euro is by joining up, and defeating it from within'.Polruan said:
But the plausible scenario in which this would arise would be one where full participation in the EU became conditional upon Euro membership. Surely the current warnings of famine, pestilence and generalised death would continue to apply, meaning that (no doubt with a heavy heart) exactly the same establishment cast as today would declare in favour of remaining in and joining the euro.TheScreamingEagles said:
The UK will never give up Sterling. We like our pound and there will be a referendum if any politician tried to sign us up into the Euro.Morris_Dancer said:Genuine question: what are turnips like to eat?
I imagine them being comparable to parsnips, which in turn makes me wonder how they are when roasted.
Mr. Eagles, not today. Down the line? Perhaps. We know an awful lot of the Establishment will line up to throw away our own monetary policy for a special seat in the euroclub.
The last few weeks have shown the Hotel California nature of the club. As long as the frog-boiling is gradual enough, we can never leave, regardless of the destination.0 -
Parsnips need a frost to break up the starch. Eat them only after the first frost and before the last, then they are tasty indeed.AlastairMeeks said:Turnip is delicious. Swede is delicious. (This happy coincidence avoids any difficulty about which is which).
Parsnip is the excrement of the devil.0 -
@jonwalker121: Obama on a UK/US trade deal if we leave the EU "It's not going to happen any time soon" "Uk is going to be in the back of the queue" #brexit0
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@JananGanesh: "Some of the folks on the other side have been ascribing to the US certain actions we'd take (post-Brexit)...Trade deal won't happen soon."0
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it's why you lead such an impoverished and barren lifestyle Richard :-)Richard_Nabavi said:
True, but then I don't tend to go North for gastronomic tips.Alanbrooke said:
evidence if it were needed that France is not a civilised country....Richard_Nabavi said:
They are not really like parsnips. They can be absolutely delicious, boiled and glazed. But you do need small, young ones.Morris_Dancer said:Genuine question: what are turnips like to eat?
I imagine them being comparable to parsnips, which in turn makes me wonder how they are when roasted.
Incidentally, it is one of the great curiosities of life that parsnips are almost unknown to the French.
.... much like Sussex, where you should know what northerners call turnips you call swede0 -
That is very naughty of you Mr Palmer!NickPalmer said:
Talking of dubious associations, you don't give the impression of being entirely at home with the Leave camp. Are you sure you want to vote with them? In theory, of course, one should vote on the merits rather than on who happens to agree. But the direct consequence of Leave will immedaitely be a pro-Leave Prime Minister, and it's quite hard to see past Boris in that case. And I may be biased, but I find it very hard to imagine a negotiation between Boris and the EU resulting in a productive outcome.Cyclefree said:
I agree. I think the attacks on Obama are silly and pointless.
And obviously like any lady I am always open to being charmed into perhaps revising my opinion of a possible suitor.
Seriously, you are quite right that if looked only at the Leave campaigners (the public ones not the nice ones on here) I wouldn't touch them with a barge pole.
(Edited: with the possible exception of Mr Gove - though his reference to Albania was daft.)
The whole campaign is unremittingly awful - on both sides. Trite, insulting to the intelligence, devoid of content and, by now, deeply boring.
I think Boris will not be PM or leader: not up to it IMO.
I find this a very difficult decision for reasons which I've set out here before and won't repeat.
I hope we meet at a PB meet. Your family background sounds very interesting.0 -
Will Dave buy me an acre of land ?Alanbrooke said:
If you want roasting cut them mix with potatoes, carrots, parsnips and onions. Add garlic and thyme and roast them all together. Goes well with any roast or casserole.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. G, couldn't they be cut into smaller pieces for the roasting?
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@michaelsavage: Huge intervention from Obama - Britain goes to the back of the queue for a trade deal in event of #Brexit. nuclear.0
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Scott's protection of the slimy cameron/Osborne is amusing,the blue on blue attacks will be noted ;-)Scott_P said:@tnewtondunn: I understand @POTUS will have something to say on Boris's row over Churchill's bust today in his @TheSun article.
@BBCNormanS: The @MayorofLondon denies accusing Obama of being anti British - "I'm a big fan of Barak Obama"
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A threat. Nice way to treat your 'friends'.Scott_P said:@jonwalker121: Obama on a UK/US trade deal if we leave the EU "It's not going to happen any time soon" "Uk is going to be in the back of the queue" #brexit
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"My heart is for Leave"TheScreamingEagles said:
The answer Mr Burt's question is Russia.AlastairMeeks said:More intra-Conservative fire:
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True colours.Big_G_NorthWales said:The most pro EU speech I have ever heard David Cameron make. Let there be no doubt he is in this to win this
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I am afraid, Ms Cyclefree, that Nick in person, nice though he is, is not as exotic as he sounds!Cyclefree said:I hope we meet at a PB meet. Your family background sounds very interesting.
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Obama is debunking leave's case in just one speech. Surely today is a big moment in the campaignScott_P said:@jonwalker121: Obama on a UK/US trade deal if we leave the EU "It's not going to happen any time soon" "Uk is going to be in the back of the queue" #brexit
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Correct. And he would have saved himself - and the rest of us - a great deal of trouble if he had confronted his Party over this in 2005 and not waited 11 years and then asked the electorate to do the job for him.watford30 said:
And he's never been anything but a convicted Europhile.Big_G_NorthWales said:The most pro EU speech I have ever heard David Cameron make. Let there be no doubt he is in this to win this
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Mr. Meeks, your culinary deviance is a stain upon the escutcheon of your honour.
Mr. Brooke, hmm, normally I just use salt and pepper. I may try garlic and thyme if I ever get around to it again (it's been a while).
Mr. Nabavi, I'll check the recipe.0 -
@craigawoodhouse: That noise you was Brexiteers exploding with rage as Obama threatened the UK would be "at the back of the queue" if we vote to leave...0
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Obama is getting in too deep - he needs to SHUT UP NOW.0
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But my head is for Remain.Casino_Royale said:
"My heart is for Leave"TheScreamingEagles said:
The answer Mr Burt's question is Russia.AlastairMeeks said:More intra-Conservative fire:
https://twitter.com/AlistairBurtMP/status/723534078306320384
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If he wants his legacy to be Ted Heath Mark II then that's his choice.Big_G_NorthWales said:The most pro EU speech I have ever heard David Cameron make. Let there be no doubt he is in this to win this
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Irrelevant. There is no 'trade deal' now and we trade very successfully with the US.Scott_P said:@michaelsavage: Huge intervention from Obama - Britain goes to the back of the queue for a trade deal in event of #Brexit. nuclear.
After Brexit we can gain even more from transatlantic trade as we can remove the barriers the EU currently places on US imports, leading to a fall in our import prices and improved UK standards of living.
We do not need 'trade deals', we need to be out of the 'trade deal' with the EU that we are currently in and which reduces economic welfare.0 -
Did you get Ed's owl? ....Pulpstar said:
Will Dave buy me an acre of land ?Alanbrooke said:
If you want roasting cut them mix with potatoes, carrots, parsnips and onions. Add garlic and thyme and roast them all together. Goes well with any roast or casserole.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. G, couldn't they be cut into smaller pieces for the roasting?
Interesting that both you and Mr. Nabavi advocate boiling. Huzzah for the Concord of Turnips!
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looks like despite all of Dave's talk about his special relationship it isn't that actually specialScott_P said:@jonwalker121: Obama on a UK/US trade deal if we leave the EU "It's not going to happen any time soon" "Uk is going to be in the back of the queue" #brexit
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Nonetheless.....Richard_Nabavi said:
I am afraid, Ms Cyclefree, that Nick in person, nice though he is, is not as exotic as he sounds!Cyclefree said:I hope we meet at a PB meet. Your family background sounds very interesting.
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Obama's issuing threats. Hardly the way to treat your supposed closest ally, in the so called Special Relationship. Proves it's just a pile of crap.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Obama is debunking leave's case in just one speech. Surely today is a big moment in the campaignScott_P said:@jonwalker121: Obama on a UK/US trade deal if we leave the EU "It's not going to happen any time soon" "Uk is going to be in the back of the queue" #brexit
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Why - is is too difficult for leave to listen to the case for remainLadyBucket said:Obama is getting in too deep - he needs to SHUT UP NOW.
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They are empty threats so I wouldn't get too worked up about it.
They are empty threats so I wouldn't get too worked up about it.watford30 said:
Obama's issuing threats. Hardly the way to treat your supposed closest ally, in the so called Special Relationship.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Obama is debunking leave's case in just one speech. Surely today is a big moment in the campaignScott_P said:@jonwalker121: Obama on a UK/US trade deal if we leave the EU "It's not going to happen any time soon" "Uk is going to be in the back of the queue" #brexit
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@JeremyCliffe: Surprised reactions in UK at the force of Obama's anti-Brexit arguments. But he's merely channeling orthodox opinion in world capitals.0
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The 2003 Treasury report about joining the Euro does say trade will increase by up to 50% over 30 years. Also that National Income would rise by between 5% and 9% , similar to the current claim for remaining now.runnymede said:
Perhaps the Treasury could dig out its 2003 report suggesting trade would rise by 50% if we joined the euro, and turn that into another big number per household.watford30 said:
A referendum conducted in the same way as this one. Good luck with your 'keeping the £'.TheScreamingEagles said:
The UK will never give up Sterling. We like our pound and there will be a referendum if any politician tried to sign us up into the Euro.Morris_Dancer said:Genuine question: what are turnips like to eat?
I imagine them being comparable to parsnips, which in turn makes me wonder how they are when roasted.
Mr. Eagles, not today. Down the line? Perhaps. We know an awful lot of the Establishment will line up to throw away our own monetary policy for a special seat in the euroclub.
Or would they go for Rose's old estimate that currency unions raise trade 200% (which falls to zero if you tweak his model just slightly)?
See page 222 of the 2003 report at
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/europe/03/euro/pdf/final_assessment/03_1100.pdf
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The next set of referendum opinion polls are going to be very important.0
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Judging by the abuse being flung at Obama on twitter by leave, they know they've lost it.0
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I am amazed how forthright Obama is and the extent and depth of his analysisScott_P said:@JeremyCliffe: Surprised reactions in UK at the force of Obama's anti-Brexit arguments. But he's merely channeling orthodox opinion in world capitals.
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TTIP is the trade deal presumably that Obama is talking about.watford30 said:
A threat. Nice way to treat your 'friends'.Scott_P said:@jonwalker121: Obama on a UK/US trade deal if we leave the EU "It's not going to happen any time soon" "Uk is going to be in the back of the queue" #brexit
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Of course he'd say that as its in the US's interests to see Britain vote Remain.Scott_P said:@michaelsavage: Huge intervention from Obama - Britain goes to the back of the queue for a trade deal in event of #Brexit. nuclear.
If we vote Leave though then the one thing the US does well is look after its own interests and acknowledge realpolitik. Once the facts have changed, the American response would change too.
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Obama is thinking of one thingBig_G_NorthWales said:
Obama is debunking leave's case in just one speech. Surely today is a big moment in the campaignScott_P said:@jonwalker121: Obama on a UK/US trade deal if we leave the EU "It's not going to happen any time soon" "Uk is going to be in the back of the queue" #brexit
Like everywhere then,Tim was right about him.Theuniondivvie said:
Well, they're removing one big clue to her Toryness.RobD said:
Anyone who doesn't know she's a Tory is living under a rock.Alistair said:
Perusing the Conservative manifesto I see they are suggesting a surprising radical plan to improve educational standards by simplifying the English language to contain just the words "Ruth Davidson for a Strong Opposition"Sean_F said:
This is pretty ineffectual stuff. The SNP are about to win all but three or four constituencies.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/scottynational/status/722737466545979392OchEye said:The SNP are a one trick pony, now with one leg broken, but will hirple along for a time while Sturgeon offers vague promises to the cult and, hopefully, in a few years the carcass will be buried and forgotten.
twitter.com/leomiklasz/status/722382350085189633
https://twitter.com/HTScotPol/status/7235433444591616010 -
What I'm wondering is what David Cameron has promised in return. Because Barack Obama has gone a long long way out of his way to give him the maximum possible help.0
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Obama doesn't need these dealsrunnymede said:
Irrelevant. There is no 'trade deal' now and we trade very successfully with the US.Scott_P said:@michaelsavage: Huge intervention from Obama - Britain goes to the back of the queue for a trade deal in event of #Brexit. nuclear.
After Brexit we can gain even more from transatlantic trade as we can remove the barriers the EU currently places on US imports, leading to a fall in our import prices and improved UK standards of living.
We do not need 'trade deals', we need to be out of the 'trade deal' with the EU that we are currently in and which reduces economic welfare.
Top 10 US Exports to UK
America's exports to the UK amounted to
$56.4 billion or 3.8% of its overall exports.
1. Aircraft, spacecraft: $9.7 billion
2. Machinery: $6.1 billion
3. Gems, precious metals: $5.7 billion
4. Electronic equipment: $3.8 billion
5. Pharmaceuticals: $3.7 billion
6. Vehicles: $3.1 billion
7. Medical, technical equipment: $2.8 billion
8. Collector items, art, antiques: $2.8 billion
9. Oil: $2.3 billion
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In the year of IndyRef there are two noticeable bumps in the yes vote. The second is when Darling is destroyed by Salmond in the second debate. The first is after Osborne's Sermon on the Pound.LadyBucket said:Obama is getting in too deep - he needs to SHUT UP NOW.
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Obama is doing the bidding of the British PM, that is exactly what the Special Relationship is all about. Helping your allies out.watford30 said:
Obama's issuing threats. Hardly the way to treat your supposed closest ally, in the so called Special Relationship. Proves it's just a pile of crap.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Obama is debunking leave's case in just one speech. Surely today is a big moment in the campaignScott_P said:@jonwalker121: Obama on a UK/US trade deal if we leave the EU "It's not going to happen any time soon" "Uk is going to be in the back of the queue" #brexit
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Tinfoil hats! Get your tinfoil hats here...
@NicoHines: Obama's Britain "would go to the back of the queue" soundbite must have been written by No. 10? No way he'd say queue instead of 'the line'0 -
Quite so.runnymede said:They are empty threats so I wouldn't get too worked up about it.
They are empty threats so I wouldn't get too worked up about it.watford30 said:
Obama's issuing threats. Hardly the way to treat your supposed closest ally, in the so called Special Relationship.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Obama is debunking leave's case in just one speech. Surely today is a big moment in the campaignScott_P said:@jonwalker121: Obama on a UK/US trade deal if we leave the EU "It's not going to happen any time soon" "Uk is going to be in the back of the queue" #brexit
Obama: "Just how much do you want me to threaten you?"
Cameron: "Full on, please. The full works."
Perhaps he could have illustrated by giving Dave a Chinese burn, or putting him in a headlock and then nobbling his head with his fist.0 -
Whether you like/respect Obama or not, he is clearly someone who thinks about issues and policies.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am amazed how forthright Obama is and the extent and depth of his analysisScott_P said:@JeremyCliffe: Surprised reactions in UK at the force of Obama's anti-Brexit arguments. But he's merely channeling orthodox opinion in world capitals.
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You say that everyday.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Obama is debunking leave's case in just one speech. Surely today is a big moment in the campaignScott_P said:@jonwalker121: Obama on a UK/US trade deal if we leave the EU "It's not going to happen any time soon" "Uk is going to be in the back of the queue" #brexit
If Cameron was all for Leave then so would you be.0 -
That's actually a very good point.Scott_P said:Tinfoil hats! Get your tinfoil hats here...
@NicoHines: Obama's Britain "would go to the back of the queue" soundbite must have been written by No. 10? No way he'd say queue instead of 'the line'0 -
Well that's clear from Obama. Do as we say or we will fk you over. Ally my arse. And the British PM is complicit in these threats. Truly truly shameful. I voted for that weasel0
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As we don't have a trade deal now, being at the back of the queue would be an improvement!
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Yes I know. The recent Treasury estimates were just a more skewed version of that report.David_Evershed said:
The 2003 Treasury report about joining the Euro does say trade will increase by up to 50% over 30 years. Also that National Income would rise by between 5% and 9% , similar to the current claim for remaining now.runnymede said:
Perhaps the Treasury could dig out its 2003 report suggesting trade would rise by 50% if we joined the euro, and turn that into another big number per household.watford30 said:
A referendum conducted in the same way as this one. Good luck with your 'keeping the £'.TheScreamingEagles said:
The UK will never give up Sterling. We like our pound and there will be a referendum if any politician tried to sign us up into the Euro.Morris_Dancer said:Genuine question: what are turnips like to eat?
I imagine them being comparable to parsnips, which in turn makes me wonder how they are when roasted.
Mr. Eagles, not today. Down the line? Perhaps. We know an awful lot of the Establishment will line up to throw away our own monetary policy for a special seat in the euroclub.
Or would they go for Rose's old estimate that currency unions raise trade 200% (which falls to zero if you tweak his model just slightly)?
See page 222 of the 203 report at
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/europe/03/euro/pdf/final_assessment/03_1100.pdf
The problem is the models that produce these numbers are unreliable, theoretically questionable and insufficiently comprehensive to properly estimate all the effects of Brexit.
The numbers you get out of them are unstable and can be altered radically by a few tweaks on the assumptions.
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I wonder how that nice Mr Putin is these days ?0
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So, Obama says "business as now".Scott_P said:@michaelsavage: Huge intervention from Obama - Britain goes to the back of the queue for a trade deal in event of #Brexit. nuclear.
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You think the American President saying and doing EXACTLY what the British Prime Minister wants him to say and do shows the British Prime Minister lacks a special relationship with the American President?Alanbrooke said:
looks like despite all of Dave's talk about his special relationship it isn't that actually specialScott_P said:@jonwalker121: Obama on a UK/US trade deal if we leave the EU "It's not going to happen any time soon" "Uk is going to be in the back of the queue" #brexit
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Reactions so far:
1. He hates Britain
2. He would say that wouldn't he
3. He's threatening us
4. Shut up
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Hmm. I think his speech writer can translate american to english.AlastairMeeks said:
That's actually a very good point.Scott_P said:Tinfoil hats! Get your tinfoil hats here...
@NicoHines: Obama's Britain "would go to the back of the queue" soundbite must have been written by No. 10? No way he'd say queue instead of 'the line'0 -
Perceptions are what matter. Is it a threat or a home truth?Scott_P said:@michaelsavage: Huge intervention from Obama - Britain goes to the back of the queue for a trade deal in event of #Brexit. nuclear.
In reality, the queue of trade policy importance to the US roughly speaking is EU, China, Mexico, Canada, South America and the rest, including Britain, Japan, South Korea and India. It will be some time before the limited amount of trade officials and official mindshare gets on to Britain.
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What's your point exactly?TGOHF said:
Obama doesn't need these dealsrunnymede said:
Irrelevant. There is no 'trade deal' now and we trade very successfully with the US.Scott_P said:@michaelsavage: Huge intervention from Obama - Britain goes to the back of the queue for a trade deal in event of #Brexit. nuclear.
After Brexit we can gain even more from transatlantic trade as we can remove the barriers the EU currently places on US imports, leading to a fall in our import prices and improved UK standards of living.
We do not need 'trade deals', we need to be out of the 'trade deal' with the EU that we are currently in and which reduces economic welfare.
Top 10 US Exports to UK
America's exports to the UK amounted to
$56.4 billion or 3.8% of its overall exports.
1. Aircraft, spacecraft: $9.7 billion
2. Machinery: $6.1 billion
3. Gems, precious metals: $5.7 billion
4. Electronic equipment: $3.8 billion
5. Pharmaceuticals: $3.7 billion
6. Vehicles: $3.1 billion
7. Medical, technical equipment: $2.8 billion
8. Collector items, art, antiques: $2.8 billion
9. Oil: $2.3 billion
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It may just show the opposite, that the UK PM does what he is told, there's just something fundamentally wrong about a UK PM standing back while a foreign leader makes threats.Philip_Thompson said:
You think the American President saying and doing EXACTLY what the British Prime Minister wants him to say and do shows the British Prime Minister lacks a special relationship with the American President?Alanbrooke said:
looks like despite all of Dave's talk about his special relationship it isn't that actually specialScott_P said:@jonwalker121: Obama on a UK/US trade deal if we leave the EU "It's not going to happen any time soon" "Uk is going to be in the back of the queue" #brexit
#poodle
Run that logic by me again one more time?
This is the second time Cameron has done it and it makes him look weak.0
