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Quite.Richard_Tyndall said:
Sauce for the Goose. Besides, I actually believe what I say.TheScreamingEagles said:
Project Fear? Oh the irony.Richard_Tyndall said:
Then I am afraid you are being very naive. And there are lots of things the EU can do to ruin our economy and destroy the City before we get to that point.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have much more faith in the public on how they would react if their government tried to change their currency, especially without a referendum.Richard_Tyndall said:
Sometime - probably within the next decade - we are going to have a Labour Government again no matter how much you or I might not like it. Are you so sure of yourself that you can say with certainty that they will not give away many of our opt outs and drag us even further into the ever closer union? It is not a matter of if it will happen but when - at least as long as we remain a member of the EU.TheScreamingEagles said:
Never mind, we have differing view points on the electorate.chestnut said:
Are you really foolish enough to imagine that it isn't conceivable? Honestly?TheScreamingEagles said:
You honestly think that a UK PM
1) Will give away our EMU opt out?
2) Will take us into the single currency without a referendum?
Don't tell me that you're that silly. Please.
A UK PM permitted unfettered access to the UK for most of Eastern Europe, They went to war after telling everyone there were WMDs.
You need to open your mind to the concept that a Labour government will eventually be re-elected. The current incumbent is promising a 'Socialist EU'.
Imagine it.
Also ask yourself how long the EU will be prepared to continue with the most important financial centre in the whole organisation outside the control of the Eurozone. It is an untenable position in the medium term.
That is why I prefer the title Project Lie
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I suppose we should look at what Cameron promised Scotland before the Indy Referendum.Scott_P said:
As we said this morning.TheScreamingEagles said:This is all very reminiscent of the Nats saying the Scots won't believe what a English Tory Chancellor says during the Indyref, because of his and his party's rating in Scotland.
Again what is interesting is the folk who said he was absolutely right last time, but wrong this time, despite being entirely consistent...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/10656869/David-Cameron-to-boost-North-Sea-revenues-by-200bn-to-persuade-Scots-to-vote-no-to-independence.html
And 100,000 North Sea job losses later....0 -
It is the trend in the markets which is evidencing the concern over the referendum and it is happening now, not three months awayTCPoliticalBetting said:
OK that is your view but the folk running LEAVE will decide what is best for LEAVE. IMHO how can anyone predict what will happen 3 months from now with certainty. It is all a risk and many of us bet on those risks.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I still believe that it is necessary for leave to accept there will be a short term issue in the markets. It is going to happen and it would be an honest position to takeTCPoliticalBetting said:
But for example on the issue of London property prices we have had a mini boom to avoid the stamp duty changes from Osborne prior to 1st April followed by reduced prices thereafter probably caused by the need to shift property that missed the 1st April changes. I say probably the FT quotes people all blaming the threat of Brexit. Quality journalism? The FT Editor, Lionel Barber was rightly castigated in The Guilty Men!Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is not an editorial - it is comments by various contributors. It does seem that those that want to leave just dismiss all comments that doesn't fit their narrative as scare stories. Leave do need to accept that there will be some disruption to markets on a leave vote but that the longer term benefits of their vision outway the short term negativesTCPoliticalBetting said:
The FT advocated: 1) Britain’s membership of the Exchange Rate Mechanism in theBig_G_NorthWales said:
The FT article makes it clear that it is the referendum.Tykejohnno said:
Or it could be other reasons - like national living wage.Big_G_NorthWales said:
When is evidence of hiring and investment being on hold and European groups delaying investment 'project fear'. It seems to be the reality and is best recognised as the price the Country has to pay for a democratic decision by the British people.Tykejohnno said:Project fear no 132.
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https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/721787784562872324
early 1990s; 2) it opposed the Falklands war in 1982; 3) endorsed Neil Kinnock as prime minister in the 1992 general election and 4) advocated us being part of the Euro and wailed for years after that we had made a big mistake not joining it..0 -
Osborne a royalist fop, with a fate similar to Charles I.kle4 said:Persisting with the Tory civil war theme, for no reason other than I personally enjoy it, is Osborne going to be in the group equivalent to the regicides, left unprotected by the Act promising a clean slate following the civil war to everyone else? The 'crimes' of some may be too much to be ignored even during attempted reconciliations, particularly if you are incompetent.
Or will he contrive the be John Thurloe, so in deep with the enemy that by rights he should be punished, but allowed to live on the condition he helped out the new authorities from time to time because they are just too useful?
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This is going to be one of those irregular verbs isn't it.Richard_Tyndall said:
Sauce for the Goose. Besides, I actually believe what I say.TheScreamingEagles said:
Project Fear? Oh the irony.Richard_Tyndall said:
Then I am afraid you are being very naive. And there are lots of things the EU can do to ruin our economy and destroy the City before we get to that point.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have much more faith in the public on how they would react if their government tried to change their currency, especially without a referendum.Richard_Tyndall said:
Sometime - probably within the next decade - we are going to have a Labour Government again no matter how much you or I might not like it. Are you so sure of yourself that you can say with certainty that they will not give away many of our opt outs and drag us even further into the ever closer union? It is not a matter of if it will happen but when - at least as long as we remain a member of the EU.TheScreamingEagles said:
Never mind, we have differing view points on the electorate.chestnut said:
Are you really foolish enough to imagine that it isn't conceivable? Honestly?TheScreamingEagles said:
You honestly think that a UK PM
1) Will give away our EMU opt out?
2) Will take us into the single currency without a referendum?
Don't tell me that you're that silly. Please.
A UK PM permitted unfettered access to the UK for most of Eastern Europe, They went to war after telling everyone there were WMDs.
You need to open your mind to the concept that a Labour government will eventually be re-elected. The current incumbent is promising a 'Socialist EU'.
Imagine it.
Also ask yourself how long the EU will be prepared to continue with the most important financial centre in the whole organisation outside the control of the Eurozone. It is an untenable position in the medium term.0 -
I'd love to know what qualifications you think you have for saying that.Scott_P said:
In both cases he articulated the political reality. Currency Union was not realistic. UK will suffer economically if we leave the EU.runnymede said:I don't doubt Osborne was right in arguing that the rUK would not have entered a currency union with Scotland - it would have been a very bad idea.
But that has absolutely no relevance to this debate.
Both of these statements are true, but some people like one and not the other.
Beyond of course 'that is what my party leader tells me'.0 -
Which trend in the markets are you specifically refering to?Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is the trend in the markets which is evidencing the concern over the referendum and it is happening now, not three months awayTCPoliticalBetting said:
OK that is your view but the folk running LEAVE will decide what is best for LEAVE. IMHO how can anyone predict what will happen 3 months from now with certainty. It is all a risk and many of us bet on those risks.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I still believe that it is necessary for leave to accept there will be a short term issue in the markets. It is going to happen and it would be an honest position to takeTCPoliticalBetting said:
But for example on the issue of London property prices we have had a mini boom to avoid the stamp duty changes from Osborne prior to 1st April followed by reduced prices thereafter probably caused by the need to shift property that missed the 1st April changes. I say probably the FT quotes people all blaming the threat of Brexit. Quality journalism? The FT Editor, Lionel Barber was rightly castigated in The Guilty Men!Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is not an editorial - it is comments by various contributors. It does seem that those that want to leave just dismiss all comments that doesn't fit their narrative as scare stories. Leave do need to accept that there will be some disruption to markets on a leave vote but that the longer term benefits of their vision outway the short term negativesTCPoliticalBetting said:
The FT advocated: 1) Britain’s membership of the Exchange Rate Mechanism in theBig_G_NorthWales said:
The FT article makes it clear that it is the referendum.Tykejohnno said:
Or it could be other reasons - like national living wage.Big_G_NorthWales said:
When is evidence of hiring and investment being on hold and European groups delaying investment 'project fear'. It seems to be the reality and is best recognised as the price the Country has to pay for a democratic decision by the British people.Tykejohnno said:Project fear no 132.
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https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/721787784562872324
early 1990s; 2) it opposed the Falklands war in 1982; 3) endorsed Neil Kinnock as prime minister in the 1992 general election and 4) advocated us being part of the Euro and wailed for years after that we had made a big mistake not joining it..0 -
Except that "Project Fear" is bogeyman that exists only in the increasingly fevered minds of the Brexiteers, unless Cameron and Osborne have persuaded the other members of the EU, the IMF and President Obama to join their Worldwide conspiracy.Mortimer said:No - I mean the opposite. It strikes many that the Fear is being ramped up way beyond any reality.
Maybe George is sitting in the Treasury right now stroking a white cat...0 -
On the contrary, the establishment of the phrase 'Project Fear' in the public consciousness is a good PR tactic because it brings into question the statements of whatever the next VIP to get trotted out (have we had Ban Ki Moon yet? Has the Dalai Lama a dire warning for us?) before it has happened. It's not a total antidote; it would be silly to kid ourselves that the establishment doesn't have some capital left to (desperately) spend, but it is useful. And therefore foolhardy of Osborne or anyone in the Remain camp to spread its usage.Scott_P said:
Which is the point Osborne is making.Mortimer said:I think Project Fear is spent.
Brexiteers invoking Project Fear to try and invalidate every inconvenient fact is having diminishing returns, and making them look slightly paranoid.0 -
Douglas Carswell MP @DouglasCarswell
Douglas Carswell MP Retweeted Nick Sutton
First time I met George Osborne, he told me Britain should not rule out joining the Euro. Wrong then. Wrong now
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Now this is interesting
Theresa May is the In campaign's secret weapon to win over eurosceptics and will be given an enhanced role in the final two months of the referendum, leading pro-EU strategists have said.
Senior figures in the Remain campaign believe the Home Secretary's record in tackling crime and terrorism gives her an unparalleled position to deliver warnings over Britain's security.
Strategists also believe her Eurosceptic credentials - having never been part of the pro-EU "starry-eyed brigade" - leave her well placed to woo undecided Conservatives.
Mrs May, who has played a backseat role since the Prime Minister's renegotiation package was revealed in February, is expected to make a major intervention on security in the coming weeks.
However critics will see the move as a reaction to concerns David Cameron's public appeal has been damaged by revelations about his tax affairs and a string of government blunders.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/17/theresa-may-to-get-enhanced-role-in-eu-referendum-to-win-over-wa/0 -
Osborne: "Brexit will cost us £4,300 per household"TheScreamingEagles said:
Project Fear? Oh the irony.Richard_Tyndall said:
Then I am afraid you are being very naive. And there are lots of things the EU can do to ruin our economy and destroy the City before we get to that point.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have much more faith in the public on how they would react if their government tried to change their currency, especially without a referendum.Richard_Tyndall said:
Sometime - probably within the next decade - we are going to have a Labour Government again no matter how much you or I might not like it. Are you so sure of yourself that you can say with certainty that they will not give away many of our opt outs and drag us even further into the ever closer union? It is not a matter of if it will happen but when - at least as long as we remain a member of the EU.TheScreamingEagles said:
Never mind, we have differing view points on the electorate.chestnut said:
Are you really foolish enough to imagine that it isn't conceivable? Honestly?TheScreamingEagles said:
You honestly think that a UK PM
1) Will give away our EMU opt out?
2) Will take us into the single currency without a referendum?
Don't tell me that you're that silly. Please.
A UK PM permitted unfettered access to the UK for most of Eastern Europe, They went to war after telling everyone there were WMDs.
You need to open your mind to the concept that a Labour government will eventually be re-elected. The current incumbent is promising a 'Socialist EU'.
Imagine it.
Also ask yourself how long the EU will be prepared to continue with the most important financial centre in the whole organisation outside the control of the Eurozone. It is an untenable position in the medium term.0 -
Why doesn't that surprise me?Tykejohnno said:Douglas Carswell MP @DouglasCarswell
Douglas Carswell MP Retweeted Nick Sutton
First time I met George Osborne, he told me Britain should not rule out joining the Euro. Wrong then. Wrong now0 -
I do not think the EU will survive to a Superstate. I expect it to experience more and more turmoil and that in a few years there will be new alliances with the UK having a big role to play . (If we remain of course)Tykejohnno said:
If it works on us remaining,then this country will never be free of the EU and if it works on this,just watch in future of project fear on our full sign up to a European superstate.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You do have to wonder how long it will be before 'project fear' does start to cause problems for leave. It seems that there is a different story every day, today's being the concern of the Irish and the issues of cross border security. Believe the nationalist's are calling for unification in the event of leave. Should interest JeremyScott_P said:@SamCoatesTimes: Osborne: Tomorrow's Treasury analysis looks at the impact to GDP of Brexit with Canadian-style deal. Concludes hit per household of £4,300/y
@SamCoatesTimes: Osborne in Times takes aim at Tory Brexit colleagues. "They claim it's all part of an international conspiracy called ‘Project Fear’." Ow0 -
Yep. Except as I should have pointed out I have not criticised the use of Project Fear... I actually think this might even be the first time I have ever written those words on here.TheScreamingEagles said:
This is going to be one of those irregular verbs isn't it.Richard_Tyndall said:
Sauce for the Goose. Besides, I actually believe what I say.TheScreamingEagles said:
Project Fear? Oh the irony.Richard_Tyndall said:
Then I am afraid you are being very naive. And there are lots of things the EU can do to ruin our economy and destroy the City before we get to that point.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have much more faith in the public on how they would react if their government tried to change their currency, especially without a referendum.Richard_Tyndall said:
Sometime - probably within the next decade - we are going to have a Labour Government again no matter how much you or I might not like it. Are you so sure of yourself that you can say with certainty that they will not give away many of our opt outs and drag us even further into the ever closer union? It is not a matter of if it will happen but when - at least as long as we remain a member of the EU.TheScreamingEagles said:
Never mind, we have differing view points on the electorate.chestnut said:
Are you really foolish enough to imagine that it isn't conceivable? Honestly?TheScreamingEagles said:
You honestly think that a UK PM
1) Will give away our EMU opt out?
2) Will take us into the single currency without a referendum?
Don't tell me that you're that silly. Please.
A UK PM permitted unfettered access to the UK for most of Eastern Europe, They went to war after telling everyone there were WMDs.
You need to open your mind to the concept that a Labour government will eventually be re-elected. The current incumbent is promising a 'Socialist EU'.
Imagine it.
Also ask yourself how long the EU will be prepared to continue with the most important financial centre in the whole organisation outside the control of the Eurozone. It is an untenable position in the medium term.
I have found it far more productive to take each example and show how it is wrong. Forget labeling it. Just show how it is bollocks. It is a very fruitful course of action when dealing with Remainder claims.
In fact I would suggest we rename it from Project Fear to Project Bollocks. It is far more satisfying.0 -
PB Leaver: And there are lots of things the EU can do to ruin our economy and destroy the City before we get to that pointSunil_Prasannan said:
Osborne: "Brexit will cost us £4,300 per household"TheScreamingEagles said:
Project Fear? Oh the irony.Richard_Tyndall said:
Then I am afraid you are being very naive. And there are lots of things the EU can do to ruin our economy and destroy the City before we get to that point.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have much more faith in the public on how they would react if their government tried to change their currency, especially without a referendum.Richard_Tyndall said:
Sometime - probably within the next decade - we are going to have a Labour Government again no matter how much you or I might not like it. Are you so sure of yourself that you can say with certainty that they will not give away many of our opt outs and drag us even further into the ever closer union? It is not a matter of if it will happen but when - at least as long as we remain a member of the EU.TheScreamingEagles said:
Never mind, we have differing view points on the electorate.chestnut said:
Are you really foolish enough to imagine that it isn't conceivable? Honestly?TheScreamingEagles said:
You honestly think that a UK PM
1) Will give away our EMU opt out?
2) Will take us into the single currency without a referendum?
Don't tell me that you're that silly. Please.
A UK PM permitted unfettered access to the UK for most of Eastern Europe, They went to war after telling everyone there were WMDs.
You need to open your mind to the concept that a Labour government will eventually be re-elected. The current incumbent is promising a 'Socialist EU'.
Imagine it.
Also ask yourself how long the EU will be prepared to continue with the most important financial centre in the whole organisation outside the control of the Eurozone. It is an untenable position in the medium term.0 -
As a betting site, it seems appropriate to ask "where does the form point?"TheScreamingEagles said:
Project Fear? Oh the irony.
Is there any form for a UK PM being elected who gives away opt-outs/rebates?
Is there any form for a UK PM taking us into 'ever closer union' having postured that they wouldn't?0 -
Now, if that could be backed up and stuck in the public consciousness, Leave could do it.Tykejohnno said:Douglas Carswell MP @DouglasCarswell
Douglas Carswell MP Retweeted Nick Sutton
First time I met George Osborne, he told me Britain should not rule out joining the Euro. Wrong then. Wrong now0 -
Douglas Carswell MP
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@DouglasCarswell
Breaking: Government report written by government officials supports government line - SHOCK<0 -
Well if there was any doubt that the government now fear losing the referendum these 6% smaller GDP and NHS cuts surely spell the end of that. It looks like Dave has hit the panic button, but rather than a week before this time it is two months before. Of course if these hyperbolic claims unravel the public will stop listening to the government.0
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When would that have been? 1988?Tykejohnno said:Douglas Carswell MP @DouglasCarswell
Douglas Carswell MP Retweeted Nick Sutton
First time I met George Osborne, he told me Britain should not rule out joining the Euro. Wrong then. Wrong now0 -
Presumably for 'secret weapon' we should infer 'hasn't seen her favourables plummet in the past weeks '.TheScreamingEagles said:Now this is interesting
Theresa May is the In campaign's secret weapon to win over eurosceptics and will be given an enhanced role in the final two months of the referendum, leading pro-EU strategists have said.
Senior figures in the Remain campaign believe the Home Secretary's record in tackling crime and terrorism gives her an unparalleled position to deliver warnings over Britain's security.
Strategists also believe her Eurosceptic credentials - having never been part of the pro-EU "starry-eyed brigade" - leave her well placed to woo undecided Conservatives.
Mrs May, who has played a backseat role since the Prime Minister's renegotiation package was revealed in February, is expected to make a major intervention on security in the coming weeks.
However critics will see the move as a reaction to concerns David Cameron's public appeal has been damaged by revelations about his tax affairs and a string of government blunders.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/17/theresa-may-to-get-enhanced-role-in-eu-referendum-to-win-over-wa/0 -
You couldn't make it up,the woman who lost control of our borders,easy hit for the leave side.TheScreamingEagles said:Now this is interesting
Theresa May is the In campaign's secret weapon to win over eurosceptics and will be given an enhanced role in the final two months of the referendum, leading pro-EU strategists have said.
Senior figures in the Remain campaign believe the Home Secretary's record in tackling crime and terrorism gives her an unparalleled position to deliver warnings over Britain's security.
Strategists also believe her Eurosceptic credentials - having never been part of the pro-EU "starry-eyed brigade" - leave her well placed to woo undecided Conservatives.
Mrs May, who has played a backseat role since the Prime Minister's renegotiation package was revealed in February, is expected to make a major intervention on security in the coming weeks.
However critics will see the move as a reaction to concerns David Cameron's public appeal has been damaged by revelations about his tax affairs and a string of government blunders.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/17/theresa-may-to-get-enhanced-role-in-eu-referendum-to-win-over-wa/0 -
Project Bollocks.TheScreamingEagles said:
Osborne: "Brexit will cost us £4,300 per household"
PB Leaver: And there are lots of things the EU can do to ruin our economy and destroy the City before we get to that point0 -
Yes interesting. i did wonder when she would make an entrance and she does not have the baggage Cameron and Osborne have. But, she has one little problem. Immigration. Her record is so bad when compared to the promise made in 2010 and 2015 manifestos that she could get slaughtered by certain newspapers.TheScreamingEagles said:Now this is interesting
Theresa May is the In campaign's secret weapon to win over eurosceptics and will be given an enhanced role in the final two months of the referendum, leading pro-EU strategists have said. Senior figures in the Remain campaign believe the Home Secretary's record in tackling crime and terrorism gives her an unparalleled position to deliver warnings over Britain's security. Strategists also believe her Eurosceptic credentials - having never been part of the pro-EU "starry-eyed brigade" - leave her well placed to woo undecided Conservatives.
Mrs May, who has played a backseat role since the Prime Minister's renegotiation package was revealed in February, is expected to make a major intervention on security in the coming weeks. However critics will see the move as a reaction to concerns David Cameron's public appeal has been damaged by revelations about his tax affairs and a string of government blunders. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/17/theresa-may-to-get-enhanced-role-in-eu-referendum-to-win-over-wa/
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Psychologically the rantings of Osborne remind me of someone in a bunker (or a Junker). They are getting worse and worse by the day. Obviously the LEAVE NHS-advert has hit home.
I suppose it's what happens when you are faced with the end.
Please let's just pity the man, not despise him.0 -
Exactly. See my post belowglw said:Well if there was any doubt that the government now fear losing the referendum these 6% smaller GDP and NHS cuts surely spell the end of that. It looks like Dave his hit the panic button, but rather than a week before this time it is two months before. Of course if these hyperbolic claims unravel the public will stop listening to the government.
'It's not working'
'Why can't we make the numbers bigger?'
'How about taking whatever numbers we can find and double them, or maybe triple them?'
'How about assuming all kinds of bad things will happen, feeding them into a model and hey presto, lots of bad things will happen.'
'Brilliant!'
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'pro-EU strategists' have not played this campaign well so far......it wouldn't surprise me if they manage to fluff this too - e.g. landmark speech about 3 hours before dire immigration figure release....TCPoliticalBetting said:
Yes interesting. i did wonder when she would make an entrance and she does not have the baggage Cameron and Osborne have. But, she has one little problem. Immigration. Her record is so bad when compared to the promise made in 2010 and 2015 manifestos that she could get slaughtered by certain newspapers.TheScreamingEagles said:Now this is interesting
Theresa May is the In campaign's secret weapon to win over eurosceptics and will be given an enhanced role in the final two months of the referendum, leading pro-EU strategists have said. Senior figures in the Remain campaign believe the Home Secretary's record in tackling crime and terrorism gives her an unparalleled position to deliver warnings over Britain's security. Strategists also believe her Eurosceptic credentials - having never been part of the pro-EU "starry-eyed brigade" - leave her well placed to woo undecided Conservatives.
Mrs May, who has played a backseat role since the Prime Minister's renegotiation package was revealed in February, is expected to make a major intervention on security in the coming weeks. However critics will see the move as a reaction to concerns David Cameron's public appeal has been damaged by revelations about his tax affairs and a string of government blunders. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/17/theresa-may-to-get-enhanced-role-in-eu-referendum-to-win-over-wa/0 -
If something is said often enough it can gain traction. Particularly if things are said by people not respected by key groups of the target audience. Such as left leaning voters.Luckyguy1983 said:
On the contrary, the establishment of the phrase 'Project Fear' in the public consciousness is a good PR tactic because it brings into question the statements of whatever the next VIP to get trotted out (have we had Ban Ki Moon yet? Has the Dalai Lama a dire warning for us?) before it has happened. It's not a total antidote; it would be silly to kid ourselves that the establishment doesn't have some capital left to (desperately) spend, but it is useful. And therefore foolhardy of Osborne or anyone in the Remain camp to spread its usage.Scott_P said:
Which is the point Osborne is making.Mortimer said:I think Project Fear is spent.
Brexiteers invoking Project Fear to try and invalidate every inconvenient fact is having diminishing returns, and making them look slightly paranoid.
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Well, it's nice to know some things never change.
Any announcement by George Osborne is good news forYesLeave
Any announcement by Theresa May is good news forYesLeave
Any announcement by President Obama is good news forYesLeave
Any announcement by Anybody, Ever, is good news forYesLeave0 -
Have you noticed how little Vote Leave has raised immigration?Tykejohnno said:
You couldn't make it up,the woman who lost control of our borders,easy hit for the leave side.TheScreamingEagles said:Now this is interesting
Theresa May is the In campaign's secret weapon to win over eurosceptics and will be given an enhanced role in the final two months of the referendum, leading pro-EU strategists have said.
Senior figures in the Remain campaign believe the Home Secretary's record in tackling crime and terrorism gives her an unparalleled position to deliver warnings over Britain's security.
Strategists also believe her Eurosceptic credentials - having never been part of the pro-EU "starry-eyed brigade" - leave her well placed to woo undecided Conservatives.
Mrs May, who has played a backseat role since the Prime Minister's renegotiation package was revealed in February, is expected to make a major intervention on security in the coming weeks.
However critics will see the move as a reaction to concerns David Cameron's public appeal has been damaged by revelations about his tax affairs and a string of government blunders.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/17/theresa-may-to-get-enhanced-role-in-eu-referendum-to-win-over-wa/
Anyone obsessed by immigration is already voting Leave, but every time the issue is raised, it firms up floating voters/soft leavers.0 -
Any comment by Scott_P is utter drivel.Scott_P said:Well, it's nice to know some things never change.
Any announcement by George Osborne is good news forYesLeave
Any announcement by Theresa May is good news forYesLeave
Any announcement by President Obama is good news forYesLeave
Any announcement by Anybody, Ever, is good news forYesLeave
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Uh, oh, the LSE are part of the conspiracy too..
@EdConwaySky: By the looks of it, HMT’s EU analysis is not dissimilar to the LSE’s recent study on this https://t.co/EsNx3oBUtj0 -
Scott_P What are the areas of your expertise?0
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Osborne: Everyone will get 28% less sex after brexit - official.
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Osborne: "Brexit will lead to NHS cuts!"TheScreamingEagles said:
PB Leaver: And there are lots of things the EU can do to ruin our economy and destroy the City before we get to that pointSunil_Prasannan said:
Osborne: "Brexit will cost us £4,300 per household"TheScreamingEagles said:
Project Fear? Oh the irony.Richard_Tyndall said:
Then I am afraid you are being very naive. And there are lots of things the EU can do to ruin our economy and destroy the City before we get to that point.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have much more faith in the public on how they would react if their government tried to change their currency, especially without a referendum.Richard_Tyndall said:
Sometime - probably within the next decade - we are going to have a Labour Government again no matter how much you or I might not like it. Are you so sure of yourself that you can say with certainty that they will not give away many of our opt outs and drag us even further into the ever closer union? It is not a matter of if it will happen but when - at least as long as we remain a member of the EU.TheScreamingEagles said:
Never mind, we have differing view points on the electorate.chestnut said:
Are you really foolish enough to imagine that it isn't conceivable? Honestly?TheScreamingEagles said:
You honestly think that a UK PM
1) Will give away our EMU opt out?
2) Will take us into the single currency without a referendum?
Don't tell me that you're that silly. Please.
A UK PM permitted unfettered access to the UK for most of Eastern Europe, They went to war after telling everyone there were WMDs.
You need to open your mind to the concept that a Labour government will eventually be re-elected. The current incumbent is promising a 'Socialist EU'.
Imagine it.
Also ask yourself how long the EU will be prepared to continue with the most important financial centre in the whole organisation outside the control of the Eurozone. It is an untenable position in the medium term.0 -
Where did we leave the like button?MarkHopkins said:
Osborne: Everyone will get 28% less sex after brexit - official.0 -
Leave are led by people who want to privatise the NHS.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Osborne: "Brexit will lead to NHS cuts!"TheScreamingEagles said:
PB Leaver: And there are lots of things the EU can do to ruin our economy and destroy the City before we get to that pointSunil_Prasannan said:
Osborne: "Brexit will cost us £4,300 per household"TheScreamingEagles said:
Project Fear? Oh the irony.Richard_Tyndall said:
Then I am afraid you are being very naive. And there are lots of things the EU can do to ruin our economy and destroy the City before we get to that point.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have much more faith in the public on how they would react if their government tried to change their currency, especially without a referendum.Richard_Tyndall said:
Sometime - probably within the next decade - we are going to have a Labour Government again no matter how much you or I might not like it. Are you so sure of yourself that you can say with certainty that they will not give away many of our opt outs and drag us even further into the ever closer union? It is not a matter of if it will happen but when - at least as long as we remain a member of the EU.TheScreamingEagles said:
Never mind, we have differing view points on the electorate.chestnut said:
Are you really foolish enough to imagine that it isn't conceivable? Honestly?TheScreamingEagles said:
You honestly think that a UK PM
1) Will give away our EMU opt out?
2) Will take us into the single currency without a referendum?
Don't tell me that you're that silly. Please.
A UK PM permitted unfettered access to the UK for most of Eastern Europe, They went to war after telling everyone there were WMDs.
You need to open your mind to the concept that a Labour government will eventually be re-elected. The current incumbent is promising a 'Socialist EU'.
Imagine it.
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When is evidence of hiring and investment being on hold and European groups delaying investment 'project fear'. It seems to be the reality and is best recognised as the price the Country has to pay for a democratic decision by the British people.
Or it could be other reasons - like national living wage.
The FT article makes it clear that it is the referendum.
The FT advocated: 1) Britain’s membership of the Exchange Rate Mechanism in the
early 1990s; 2) it opposed the Falklands war in 1982; 3) endorsed Neil Kinnock as prime minister in the 1992 general election and 4) advocated us being part of the Euro and wailed for years after that we had made a big mistake not joining it..
It is not an editorial - it is comments by various contributors. It does seem that those that want to leave just dismiss all comments that doesn't fit their narrative as scare stories. Leave do need to accept that there will be some disruption to markets on a leave vote but that the longer term benefits of their vision outway the short term negatives
But for example on the issue of London property prices we have had a mini boom to avoid the stamp duty changes from Osborne prior to 1st April followed by reduced prices thereafter probably caused by the need to shift property that missed the 1st April changes. I say probably the FT quotes people all blaming the threat of Brexit. Quality journalism? The FT Editor, Lionel Barber was rightly castigated in The Guilty Men!
I still believe that it is necessary for leave to accept there will be a short term issue in the markets. It is going to happen and it would be an honest position to take
OK that is your view but the folk running LEAVE will decide what is best for LEAVE. IMHO how can anyone predict what will happen 3 months from now with certainty. It is all a risk and many of us bet on those risks.
It is the trend in the markets which is evidencing the concern over the referendum and it is happening now, not three months away
Which trend in the markets are you specifically refering to?
The exchange rate to the euro has fallen considerably since I paid the deposit for my family to go to Tuscany in the Summer. The balance of the deposit due will now cost me £450 more.0 -
What about Farage and his Vote Remain and get raped meme?MarkHopkins said:
Osborne: Everyone will get 28% less sex after brexit - official.0 -
He could still have those thoughts with him and cameron turning out to be massive Eurofiles.Stark_Dawning said:
When would that have been? 1988?Tykejohnno said:Douglas Carswell MP @DouglasCarswell
Douglas Carswell MP Retweeted Nick Sutton
First time I met George Osborne, he told me Britain should not rule out joining the Euro. Wrong then. Wrong now
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Remain are led by people who want the Euro, an EU army, and ultimately the United States of Europe.TheScreamingEagles said:Leave are led by people who want to privatise the NHS.
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Agreed.TheScreamingEagles said:
Have you noticed how little Vote Leave has raised immigration?Tykejohnno said:
You couldn't make it up,the woman who lost control of our borders,easy hit for the leave side.TheScreamingEagles said:Now this is interesting
Theresa May is the In campaign's secret weapon to win over eurosceptics and will be given an enhanced role in the final two months of the referendum, leading pro-EU strategists have said.
Senior figures in the Remain campaign believe the Home Secretary's record in tackling crime and terrorism gives her an unparalleled position to deliver warnings over Britain's security.
Strategists also believe her Eurosceptic credentials - having never been part of the pro-EU "starry-eyed brigade" - leave her well placed to woo undecided Conservatives.
Mrs May, who has played a backseat role since the Prime Minister's renegotiation package was revealed in February, is expected to make a major intervention on security in the coming weeks.
However critics will see the move as a reaction to concerns David Cameron's public appeal has been damaged by revelations about his tax affairs and a string of government blunders.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/17/theresa-may-to-get-enhanced-role-in-eu-referendum-to-win-over-wa/
Anyone obsessed by immigration is already voting Leave, but every time the issue is raised, it firms up floating voters/soft leavers.
Remain seem to be relying on Cameron's popularity and Project Fear.
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Hmmm.... TSE engages in Project Fear just like his master in No. 11TheScreamingEagles said:
Leave are led by people who want to privatise the NHS.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Osborne: "Brexit will lead to NHS cuts!"TheScreamingEagles said:
PB Leaver: And there are lots of things the EU can do to ruin our economy and destroy the City before we get to that pointSunil_Prasannan said:
Osborne: "Brexit will cost us £4,300 per household"TheScreamingEagles said:
Project Fear? Oh the irony.Richard_Tyndall said:
Then I am afraid you are being very naive. And there are lots of things the EU can do to ruin our economy and destroy the City before we get to that point.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have much more faith in the public on how they would react if their government tried to change their currency, especially without a referendum.Richard_Tyndall said:
Sometime - probably within the next decade - we are going to have a Labour Government again no matter how much you or I might not like it. Are you so sure of yourself that you can say with certainty that they will not give away many of our opt outs and drag us even further into the ever closer union? It is not a matter of if it will happen but when - at least as long as we remain a member of the EU.TheScreamingEagles said:
Never mind, we have differing view points on the electorate.chestnut said:
Are you really foolish enough to imagine that it isn't conceivable? Honestly?TheScreamingEagles said:
You honestly think that a UK PM
1) Will give away our EMU opt out?
2) Will take us into the single currency without a referendum?
Don't tell me that you're that silly. Please.
A UK PM permitted unfettered access to the UK for most of Eastern Europe, They went to war after telling everyone there were WMDs.
You need to open your mind to the concept that a Labour government will eventually be re-elected. The current incumbent is promising a 'Socialist EU'.
Imagine it.
Also ask yourself how long the EU will be prepared to continue with the most important financial centre in the whole organisation outside the control of the Eurozone. It is an untenable position in the medium term.
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Today has convinced me to go and campaign for Remain.
Thanks PBers.0 -
I thought until recently that Theresa May was one of the Tories' better assets, but there was that YouGov poll the other day which said the public would prefer Corbyn to be PM rather than her....TheScreamingEagles said:Now this is interesting
Theresa May is the In campaign's secret weapon to win over eurosceptics and will be given an enhanced role in the final two months of the referendum, leading pro-EU strategists have said.
Senior figures in the Remain campaign believe the Home Secretary's record in tackling crime and terrorism gives her an unparalleled position to deliver warnings over Britain's security.
Strategists also believe her Eurosceptic credentials - having never been part of the pro-EU "starry-eyed brigade" - leave her well placed to woo undecided Conservatives.
Mrs May, who has played a backseat role since the Prime Minister's renegotiation package was revealed in February, is expected to make a major intervention on security in the coming weeks.
However critics will see the move as a reaction to concerns David Cameron's public appeal has been damaged by revelations about his tax affairs and a string of government blunders.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/17/theresa-may-to-get-enhanced-role-in-eu-referendum-to-win-over-wa/0 -
Was just about to write the same, but for Leave......TheScreamingEagles said:Today has convinced me to go and campaign for Remain.
Thanks PBers.
Shall we just pair and stay at home/in the office?
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Given how rubbish Cameron is at negotiating he might get us into the Euro by accident.Tykejohnno said:He could still have those thoughts with him and cameron turning out to be massive Eurofiles.
Remember when cammers hit the labour party with joining the Euro - just laughable.
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Clacton would be right for you.TheScreamingEagles said:Today has convinced me to go and campaign for Remain.
Thanks PBers.0 -
And save energies for the Tooting by-election?Mortimer said:
Was just about to write the same, but for Leave......TheScreamingEagles said:Today has convinced me to go and campaign for Remain.
Thanks PBers.
Shall we just pair and stay at home/in the office?0 -
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Thanks PBers.0 -
Only if you help me edit PB.Mortimer said:
Was just about to write the same, but for Leave......TheScreamingEagles said:Today has convinced me to go and campaign for Remain.
Thanks PBers.
Shall we just pair and stay at home/in the office?
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Dribbling sycophancy to his party leader?TCPoliticalBetting said:Scott_P What are the areas of your expertise?
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I can feel my IQ draining away engaging with this pish, but I'm weak, so I'll bite.Scott_P said:
Except that "Project Fear" is bogeyman that exists only in the increasingly fevered minds of the Brexiteers, unless Cameron and Osborne have persuaded the other members of the EU, the IMF and President Obama to join their Worldwide conspiracy.Mortimer said:No - I mean the opposite. It strikes many that the Fear is being ramped up way beyond any reality.
Maybe George is sitting in the Treasury right now stroking a white cat...
America have DECLARED an interest in the UK staying in the EU. No conspiracy, they have outright SAID it's in their interests. Hence Obama's statements. Or do you perhaps think he's motivated by a charitable concern for the British economy? That would be a funny turn of events considering he thought nothing of eviscerating BP.
Other members of the EU, and this may shock you, also have an interest in keeping the UK in the EU. Who'd have thought? Are you following me so far?
Now America's interests, and other EU member's interests, are all very well. But not being America, and not being other members of the EU, some zany people are suggesting we vote in THIS country's interests. Imagine it!
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Were you a floating voter = laughable.TheScreamingEagles said:
Have you noticed how little Vote Leave has raised immigration?Tykejohnno said:
You couldn't make it up,the woman who lost control of our borders,easy hit for the leave side.TheScreamingEagles said:Now this is interesting
Theresa May is the In campaign's secret weapon to win over eurosceptics and will be given an enhanced role in the final two months of the referendum, leading pro-EU strategists have said.
Senior figures in the Remain campaign believe the Home Secretary's record in tackling crime and terrorism gives her an unparalleled position to deliver warnings over Britain's security.
Strategists also believe her Eurosceptic credentials - having never been part of the pro-EU "starry-eyed brigade" - leave her well placed to woo undecided Conservatives.
Mrs May, who has played a backseat role since the Prime Minister's renegotiation package was revealed in February, is expected to make a major intervention on security in the coming weeks.
However critics will see the move as a reaction to concerns David Cameron's public appeal has been damaged by revelations about his tax affairs and a string of government blunders.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/17/theresa-may-to-get-enhanced-role-in-eu-referendum-to-win-over-wa/
Anyone obsessed by immigration is already voting Leave, but every time the issue is raised, it firms up floating voters/soft leavers.0 -
[Sunil and TSE confront each other, after the former has learnt that the latter has turned to the Daft Side]TheScreamingEagles said:Today has convinced me to go and campaign for Remain.
Thanks PBers.
Sunil: You have allowed this Europhile Chancellor to twist your mind, until now, until now you've become the very thing you swore to destroy.
TSE: Don't lecture me, Sunil! I see through the lies of the LEAVE campaign. I do not fear the European Union as you do. I have brought peace, freedom, justice, and security to my new Empire!
Sunil: Your new Empire?
TSE: Don't make me MODERATE you.
Sunil: TSE, my allegiance is to theRepublicMonarchy, to democracy!
TSE: If you're not with me, then you're my enemy.
Sunil: [realizing that TSE is consumed by evil and there's no reasoning with him anymore] Only a Europhile deals in absolutes.
[draws his lightsaber] I will do what I must!
TSE: You will try!
[draws his own lightsaber and confronts Sunil!]
[later during a pause in the battle]
Sunil: I have failed you, TSE. I have failed you.
TSE: I should have known the LEAVERS were plotting to take over. Chancellor Osborne has showed me the true ways of the Force.
Sunil: TSE, Chancellor Osborne is evil! The Europhiles are evil. The Daft Side of the Force is an evil presence.
TSE: From my point of view, it is the LEAVERS who are evil.
Sunil: Well, then you really are lost!
TSE: [raises his lightsaber] This is the end for you... my former master.
[the battle resumes, but even later on, Sunil manages to reach a vantage point overlooking TSE]
Sunil: It's over TSE, I have the high ground!
TSE: You MISUNDERESTIMATE my power!
Sunil: Don't try it!
[TSE leaps at Sunil, but the latter anticipates his move and promptly lightsabers TSE's rather fetching Red Shoes of Power off, leaving him writhing in pain on the ground, crippled and bereft of his Force abilities!]
Sunil: You were the chosen one! It was said that you would destroy the Europhiles, not join them! You were to bring balance to PoliticalBetting.com, not leave it in Daftness!
TSE: [shouts] I HATE you!
Sunil: You were my brother, TSE. I loved you.
[Sunil, unable to bring himself to finish off poor TSE, walks away from the scene, disconsolate...
To Be Continued....]
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Remain want it to be irreversible .TheScreamingEagles said:Leave are led by people who want to privatise the NHS.
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We might not get a Tooting by election, I was asked to go campaign for Zac, and I reckon I'll be able to spend a week in London.Mortimer said:
And save energies for the Tooting by-election?Mortimer said:
Was just about to write the same, but for Leave......TheScreamingEagles said:Today has convinced me to go and campaign for Remain.
Thanks PBers.
Shall we just pair and stay at home/in the office?
If Zac wins, it'll be down to me.0 -
Manage that miracle and this time they cannot deny you a Peerage.TheScreamingEagles said:
We might not get a Tooting by election, I was asked to go campaign for Zac, and I reckon I'll be able to spend a week in London.Mortimer said:
And save energies for the Tooting by-election?Mortimer said:
Was just about to write the same, but for Leave......TheScreamingEagles said:Today has convinced me to go and campaign for Remain.
Thanks PBers.
Shall we just pair and stay at home/in the office?
If Zac wins, it'll be down to me.0 -
lolglw said:
Given how rubbish Cameron is at negotiating he might get us into the Euro by accident.Tykejohnno said:He could still have those thoughts with him and cameron turning out to be massive Eurofiles.
Remember when cammers hit the labour party with joining the Euro - just laughable.0 -
I want a bloody Earldom or maybe a Royal Dukedomkle4 said:
Manage that miracle and this time they cannot deny you a Peerage.TheScreamingEagles said:
We might not get a Tooting by election, I was asked to go campaign for Zac, and I reckon I'll be able to spend a week in London.Mortimer said:
And save energies for the Tooting by-election?Mortimer said:
Was just about to write the same, but for Leave......TheScreamingEagles said:Today has convinced me to go and campaign for Remain.
Thanks PBers.
Shall we just pair and stay at home/in the office?
If Zac wins, it'll be down to me.0 -
Incidentally, I still think Leave's focus on the NHS could be devastatingly effective. There are various strands to the NHS message which can appeal to people of almost any political persuasion: money which we currently "send to Brussels" being redirected into hospitals, stopping the NHS getting privatised by TTIP, stopping it getting overwhelmed with demand from immigrants.
Of course, there are arguments that some/all of those arguments are disingenuous, but no-one ever said a political argument had to be accurate in order to be effective.0 -
Don't know if this is new ?
Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn
...ComRes/Sun #EUref poll: Remain keeps 7% lead, but don't knows up 6 points to 17%. Stay 45%, leave 38%;0 -
Leave gives the Leavers billions to promise; remain gives nothing.Danny565 said:Incidentally, I still think Leave's focus on the NHS could be devastatingly effective. There are various strands to the NHS message which can appeal to people of almost any political persuasion: money which we currently "send to Brussels" being redirected into hospitals, stopping the NHS getting privatised by TTIP, stopping it getting overwhelmed with demand from immigrants.
Of course, there are arguments that some/all of those arguments are disingenuous, but no-one ever said a political argument had to be accurate in order to be effective.0 -
It isTykejohnno said:Don't know if this is new ?
Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn
...ComRes/Sun #EUref poll: Remain keeps 7% lead, but don't knows up 6 points to 17%. Stay 45%, leave 38%;
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/7082549/17-million-votes-are-still-up-for-grabs-as-Britain-left-more-perplexed-than-ever-about-the-EU-referendum.html0 -
Given the shift in opinion during that campaign, is there any evidence the Scots did?TheScreamingEagles said:This is all very reminiscent of the Nats saying the Scots won't believe what a English Tory Chancellor says during the Indyref, because of his and his party's rating in Scotland.
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Osborne's claims going down like a lead balloon on the Sky Newspaper review.0 -
Sunil_Prasannan said:
[Sunil and TSE confront each other, after the former has learnt that the latter has turned to the Daft Side]TheScreamingEagles said:Today has convinced me to go and campaign for Remain.
Thanks PBers.
Sunil: You have allowed this Europhile Chancellor to twist your mind, until now, until now you've become the very thing you swore to destroy.
TSE: Don't lecture me, Sunil! I see through the lies of the LEAVE campaign. I do not fear the European Union as you do. I have brought peace, freedom, justice, and security to my new Empire!
Sunil: Your new Empire?
TSE: Don't make me MODERATE you.
Sunil: TSE, my allegiance is to theRepublicMonarchy, to democracy!
TSE: If you're not with me, then you're my enemy.
Sunil: [realizing that TSE is consumed by evil and there's no reasoning with him anymore] Only a Europhile deals in absolutes.
[draws his lightsaber] I will do what I must!
TSE: You will try!
[draws his own lightsaber and confronts Sunil!]
[later during a pause in the battle]
Sunil: I have failed you, TSE. I have failed you.
TSE: I should have known the LEAVERS were plotting to take over. Chancellor Osborne has showed me the true ways of the Force.
Sunil: TSE, Chancellor Osborne is evil! The Europhiles are evil. The Daft Side of the Force is an evil presence.
TSE: From my point of view, it is the LEAVERS who are evil.
Sunil: Well, then you really are lost!
TSE: [raises his lightsaber] This is the end for you... my former master.
[the battle resumes, but even later on, Sunil manages to reach a vantage point overlooking TSE]
Sunil: It's over TSE, I have the high ground!
TSE: You MISUNDERESTIMATE my power!
Sunil: Don't try it!
[TSE leaps at Sunil, but the latter anticipates his move and promptly lightsabers TSE's rather fetching Red Shoes of Power off, leaving him writhing in pain on the ground, crippled and bereft of his Force abilities!]
Sunil: You were the chosen one! It was said that you would destroy the Europhiles, not join them! You were to bring balance to PoliticalBetting.com, not leave it in Daftness!
TSE: [shouts] I HATE you!
Sunil: You were my brother, TSE. I loved you.
[Sunil, unable to bring himself to finish off poor TSE, walks away from the scene, disconsolate...
To Be Continued....]
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I have a feeling you have more of a feeling for the political concerns of the North than many of us on here - do you think Leave's focus on the NHS wouldDanny565 said:Incidentally, I still think Leave's focus on the NHS could be devastatingly effective. There are various strands to the NHS message which can appeal to people of almost any political persuasion: money which we currently "send to Brussels" being redirected into hospitals, stopping the NHS getting privatised by TTIP, stopping it getting overwhelmed with demand from immigrants.
Of course, there are arguments that some/all of those arguments are disingenuous, but no-one ever said a political argument had to be accurate in order to be effective.
a) cause Remainers to vote Leave
b) cause Remainers to stay at home
c) motivate waverers to vote Remain
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http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/02/16/member-of-german-left-youth-party-apologizes-to-refugees-on-facebook-after-alleged-sexual-assault-by-migrant/TheScreamingEagles said:
What about Farage and his Vote Remain and get raped meme?MarkHopkins said:
Osborne: Everyone will get 28% less sex after brexit - official.0 -
Half of Sun readers already 'bored' by EU referendum debate - and there are still 10 weeks to go... Our exclusive poll found just 26% of you are 'excited' by the crucial June 23 vote
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/7082583/Half-of-Sun-readers-already-bored-by-EU-referendum-debate-and-there-are-still-10-weeks-to-go.html?CMP=spklr-_-Editorial-_-TWITTER-_-SunPolitics-_-20160417-_-Politics-_-437153241-_-Imageandlink
Sun readers want to leave the European Union by a ratio of almost two to one, 59% to 32%.
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What did we learn last year about Twitter and elections?
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On the day Cameron announced referendum = 1.29. Friday = 1.26. Not much of a drop.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The exchange rate to the euro has fallen considerably since I paid the deposit for my family to go to Tuscany in the Summer. The balance of the deposit due will now cost me £450 more.
We have also had more downbeat forecasts for the UK economy starting in January (Osborne) and then the OBR in March which have I suggest more effect than Brexit.
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Wellesley got No. 1 London address - worth asking for the same at home?TheScreamingEagles said:
We might not get a Tooting by election, I was asked to go campaign for Zac, and I reckon I'll be able to spend a week in London.Mortimer said:
And save energies for the Tooting by-election?Mortimer said:
Was just about to write the same, but for Leave......TheScreamingEagles said:Today has convinced me to go and campaign for Remain.
Thanks PBers.
Shall we just pair and stay at home/in the office?
If Zac wins, it'll be down to me.0 -
If you look after the post vote contact polling, the currency/economic uncertainty were the prime reasons that got No voters out, persuaded undecideds in the last weekinitforthemoney said:
Given the shift in opinion during that campaign, is there any evidence the Scots did?TheScreamingEagles said:This is all very reminiscent of the Nats saying the Scots won't believe what a English Tory Chancellor says during the Indyref, because of his and his party's rating in Scotland.
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Osborne is creating such bad feeling that it will make the Brown Blair battles look like fun and games. Forget bringing the party back together post referendum. Osborne and his hangers on need to be brought down low and then exterminated.0
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Well they named a street after Lord North, no harm in askingMortimer said:
Wellesley got No. 1 London address - worth asking for the same at home?TheScreamingEagles said:
We might not get a Tooting by election, I was asked to go campaign for Zac, and I reckon I'll be able to spend a week in London.Mortimer said:
And save energies for the Tooting by-election?Mortimer said:
Was just about to write the same, but for Leave......TheScreamingEagles said:Today has convinced me to go and campaign for Remain.
Thanks PBers.
Shall we just pair and stay at home/in the office?
If Zac wins, it'll be down to me.0 -
We will all be over £4000 worse off if we vote for Brexit, sayeth the George.
https://twitter.com/CityAM/status/7218172797221847040 -
Sunder Katwala @sundersays
Osborne's Treasury puts every effort into Remain case. Controversial in divided/leaning out party.(Needs v.decisive win to come out on top?)
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Julia Hartley-Brewer @JuliaHB1
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Project BollocksRichard_Tyndall said:
Any comment by Scott_P is utter drivel.Scott_P said:Well, it's nice to know some things never change.
Any announcement by George Osborne is good news forYesLeave
Any announcement by Theresa May is good news forYesLeave
Any announcement by President Obama is good news forYesLeave
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The daft thing is that Osborne will be driving working class voters to LEAVE and driving Conservative members to oppose Osborne.GideonWise said:Osborne is creating such bad feeling that it will make the Brown Blair battles look like fun and games. Forget bringing the party back together post referendum. Osborne and his hangers on need to be brought down low and then exterminated.
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Same reason he granted a Scottish Independence referendum.TCPoliticalBetting said:Julia Hartley-Brewer @JuliaHB1
If the consequences of a Leave vote are really so awful, why did the PM ever agree to hold an EU referendum?
It is what the voters wanted.0 -
Osborne says he'll eradicate deficit by 2015.
2017 Budget includes plans for Time Tunnel.0 -
George Eaton @georgeeaton
Osborne has been charged with lying low during the EU referendum. He can't be now - Treasury arsenal unleashed.
He got the lying bit right.0 -
Stunned.Tykejohnno said:....
Sun readers want to leave the European Union by a ratio of almost two to one, 59% to 32%.
Who was it said on here that working class voters would not vote LEAVE?
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Exactly.initforthemoney said:
Project BollocksRichard_Tyndall said:
Any comment by Scott_P is utter drivel.Scott_P said:Well, it's nice to know some things never change.
Any announcement by George Osborne is good news forYesLeave
Any announcement by Theresa May is good news forYesLeave
Any announcement by President Obama is good news forYesLeave
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I achieved 1.41 in August 15 and it is now 1.23TCPoliticalBetting said:
On the day Cameron announced referendum = 1.29. Friday = 1.26. Not much of a drop.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The exchange rate to the euro has fallen considerably since I paid the deposit for my family to go to Tuscany in the Summer. The balance of the deposit due will now cost me £450 more.
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More appropriate question - if the consequences are so appalling, why did the PM previously:TCPoliticalBetting said:Julia Hartley-Brewer @JuliaHB1
If the consequences of a Leave vote are really so awful, why did the PM ever agree to hold an EU referendum?
1. Say Britain could 'thrive' outside EU?
2. Threaten to leave if some miniscule change to benefit rules were not brought in?
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Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB
The first EURef phone poll of April is out and REMAIN still 7% ahead
ComRes has:
REMAIN 45%
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Indeed.TheScreamingEagles said:
Same reason he granted a Scottish Independence referendum.TCPoliticalBetting said:Julia Hartley-Brewer @JuliaHB1
If the consequences of a Leave vote are really so awful, why did the PM ever agree to hold an EU referendum?
It is what the voters wanted.
In terms of his personal reputation and preservation, he would have been wise to present the deal as what was on his offer, leaving the electorate to decide whether it was good enough.
He should have presented it, rather than endorsed it.
If he had, he would be immune.0 -
It's panic stations at the Treasury and Osborne is wetting his nickers.
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Good point. There was a key message in the no2AV campaign about the money AV would cost and the loss of money to NHS. I think it was just £50m. The £350m a week is much much bigger. The chap who ran no2av is the same chap running VoteLeave.Danny565 said:Incidentally, I still think Leave's focus on the NHS could be devastatingly effective. There are various strands to the NHS message which can appeal to people of almost any political persuasion: money which we currently "send to Brussels" being redirected into hospitals, stopping the NHS getting privatised by TTIP, stopping it getting overwhelmed with demand from immigrants...
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Interesting that The Sun are no longer using an online pollster for their EURef polling, but have moved to a phone pollster.0
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No one! I think everyone on both sides has said C2DE for Leave, ABC1 for Remain.TCPoliticalBetting said:
Stunned.Tykejohnno said:....
Sun readers want to leave the European Union by a ratio of almost two to one, 59% to 32%.
Who was it said on here that working class voters would not vote LEAVE?0 -
That is Sun readers - the Com Res poll for the Sun gives 45 - 38 remain with 17% undecided. Also the economy is no 1 issueTCPoliticalBetting said:
Stunned.Tykejohnno said:....
Sun readers want to leave the European Union by a ratio of almost two to one, 59% to 32%.
Who was it said on here that working class voters would not vote LEAVE?0 -
600th!0
