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Ynysddu (Lab defence) on Caerphilly
Result of council at last election (2012): Labour 50, Plaid Cymru 20, Independents 3 (Labour majority of 27)
Result of ward at last election : Emboldened denotes elected
Labour 719, 559 (64%)
Plaid Cymru 382, 224 (30%)
Conservatives 70, 57 (6%)
Candidates duly nomninated:
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First like Leave.0
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Oi!! I was first it just wouldn't let me post
For Forks sake0 -
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No interesting by-elections tonight.
Goodnight, looking forward for that Sunday story.0 -
"David Cameron is paddling in a pool of poo tonight" - Evan Davis0
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What are the next PM odds now ?0
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What is the petition, been out all day.initforthemoney said:in before 100000
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100,632nigel4england said:
What is the petition, been out all day.initforthemoney said:in before 100000
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or 0.2% of the countryRobD said:
100,632nigel4england said:
What is the petition, been out all day.initforthemoney said:in before 100000
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Thanks but what is it for, I'm guessing the leaflet?RobD said:
100,632nigel4england said:
What is the petition, been out all day.initforthemoney said:in before 100000
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https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/116762nigel4england said:
What is the petition, been out all day.initforthemoney said:in before 100000
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Yeah, the complaint is the remain side have been given effectively a free mail shot.nigel4england said:
Thanks but what is it for, I'm guessing the leaflet?RobD said:
100,632nigel4england said:
What is the petition, been out all day.initforthemoney said:in before 100000
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Excellent, thanks.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/116762nigel4england said:
What is the petition, been out all day.initforthemoney said:in before 100000
Pathetic as it sounds I'm not paying .34p when I do my tax this year.0 -
Is David Cameron a crook?0
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Now that's a let down.FrancisUrquhart said:
Will it be on TV ?0 -
Don't worry, HMRC will accrue it from the rounding errors in your returnsnigel4england said:
Excellent, thanks.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/116762nigel4england said:
What is the petition, been out all day.initforthemoney said:in before 100000
Pathetic as it sounds I'm not paying .34p when I do my tax this year. 0 -
Or a straight kind of guy?GIN1138 said:Is David Cameron a crook?
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I remember the universal outrage when the same thing happens during SindyRef. Or didn't, I can't remember.RobD said:
Yeah, the complaint is the remain side have been given effectively a free mail shot.nigel4england said:
Thanks but what is it for, I'm guessing the leaflet?RobD said:
100,632nigel4england said:
What is the petition, been out all day.initforthemoney said:in before 100000
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What happened? Did the No side get a free mail shot and Yes didn't? I would have thought it would have been the other way around given the Governments position in Scotland would have been for Yes.Alistair said:
I remember the universal outrage when the same thing happens during SindyRef. Or didn't, I can't remember.RobD said:
Yeah, the complaint is the remain side have been given effectively a free mail shot.nigel4england said:
Thanks but what is it for, I'm guessing the leaflet?RobD said:
100,632nigel4england said:
What is the petition, been out all day.initforthemoney said:in before 100000
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Has he got an ISA?Danny565 said:"David Cameron is paddling in a pool of poo tonight" - Evan Davis
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I won't be at The Shooting Star, but my father knows the story that dare not speak its name, and will no doubt enlighten all.0
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Anna Soubry on Question Time.0
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Coolio.rcs1000 said:I won't be at The Shooting Star, but my father knows the story that dare not speak its name, and will no doubt enlighten all.
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I think the pro-EU propaganda shows, yet again, that there is ALWAYS money for Cameron's pet projects.
Austerity is like taxes - only for the 'little people'.
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I think you are confusing two stories...there is one about a certain gentleman and another separate one about a different certain gentleman.Speedy said:
As long as we are guaranteed to be entertained by it then I'm content to wait for it till Sunday.rcs1000 said:I won't be at The Shooting Star, but my father knows the story that dare not speak its name, and will no doubt enlighten all.
One is injuncted but OGH knows it and the other I presume OGH also has heard and a journalist from a certain well known paper claims he is going to publish everything he knows about it this Sunday (but not in a newspaper).0 -
I appreciate the east riding as it would make almost any council division sound decent, but pocklington, provincial in the east riding of yorkshire is a winner alright.0
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Who paid for the now utterly discredited White Paper?RobD said:
What happened? Did the No side get a free mail shot and Yes didn't? I would have thought it would have been the other way around given the Governments position in Scotland would have been for Yes.Alistair said:
I remember the universal outrage when the same thing happens during SindyRef. Or didn't, I can't remember.RobD said:
Yeah, the complaint is the remain side have been given effectively a free mail shot.nigel4england said:
Thanks but what is it for, I'm guessing the leaflet?RobD said:
100,632nigel4england said:
What is the petition, been out all day.initforthemoney said:in before 100000
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Amazing isn't it?another_richard said:I think the pro-EU propaganda shows, yet again, that there is ALWAYS money for Cameron's pet projects.
Austerity is like taxes - only for the 'little people'.0 -
Sid and Doris bonkers gurning for Leave too!Danny565 said:Anna Soubry on Question Time.
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Married celebrity father who had a threesome with another couple is now being widely named on Facebook and Twitter but STILL the British media is banned from naming him
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3528765/Married-celebrity-father-threesome-couple-widely-named-Facebook-Twitter-British-media-banned-named-him.html
No comment or "innocent face" from me.0 -
The Leavers on here are petty, crude and insulting. Let's have some concrete ideas on how you would proceed if Brexit wins.0
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Anyway, those wise souls who called the Cameron tax thing a non-story that would soon blowover have been proved totally correct :-)
I actually feel sorry for him, to be honest. It must be incredibly painful on a personal level to have all this sruff raked over - especially as it relates to his dead father, a man who he so loved.0 -
Happens to me all the time - it's a conspiracy, I tell you.Moses_ said:Oi!! I was first it just wouldn't let me post
For Forks sake
Off topic, I really wish people would stop with all the petitions. This latest one is worthier than most, but I'm still sick of them, as they're usually so bloody self righteous.
Amusingly, I was looking over some old university work looking at parliaments in the 17th century, and there was one memorable bit where some petitions had come in to the parliament, said to be signed by thousands but there were no hands to it, which I presume means no proof of signature, and some members took exception to it. I just have a hard time picturing someone going door to door with a clipboard in 17th century england.0 -
EEA & EFTAperdix said:The Leavers on here are petty, crude and insulting. Let's have some concrete ideas on how you would proceed if Brexit wins.
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Who said it was a non-story?SouthamObserver said:Anyway, those wise souls who called the Cameron tax thing a non-story that would soon blowover have been proved totally correct :-)
I actually feel sorry for him, to be honest. It must be incredibly painful on a personal level to have all this sruff raked over - especially as it relates to his dead father, a man who he so loved.0 -
As I said earlier, I think the government actually wasted an opportunity with this leaflet. Rather than saying it was a straight-up argument in favour of staying in the EU, they should've dressed it up as a supposedly impartial analysis of "the facts" - throwing in a few token disadvantages of the EU, and putting the main focus on what they think are the big arguments in favour of staying.
But because it makes no secret about being essentially an official In Campaign leaflet, I suspect Joe Public will just dismiss it.0 -
With great joy and optimismperdix said:The Leavers on here are petty, crude and insulting. Let's have some concrete ideas on how you would proceed if Brexit wins.
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If you want to know the real scandal, then listen to this YouTube clip from 50.58:rcs1000 said:I won't be at The Shooting Star, but my father knows the story that dare not speak its name, and will no doubt enlighten all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MEZRX7lILc
I thought that mentioning the links with the Carroll Trust last night would get the ball rolling. Cameron has managed to make a complete and utter pr*ck out of himself over the past 3 days, and I get the impression from my sources that this story could well meet a spectacular ending over the weekend. Lets see.0 -
Many people, in all probability. I possibly did.FrancisUrquhart said:
Who said it was a non-story?SouthamObserver said:Anyway, those wise souls who called the Cameron tax thing a non-story that would soon blowover have been proved totally correct :-)
I actually feel sorry for him, to be honest. It must be incredibly painful on a personal level to have all this sruff raked over - especially as it relates to his dead father, a man who he so loved.0 -
You said it was no worse than having an ISA didnt you?FrancisUrquhart said:
Who said it was a non-story?SouthamObserver said:Anyway, those wise souls who called the Cameron tax thing a non-story that would soon blowover have been proved totally correct :-)
I actually feel sorry for him, to be honest. It must be incredibly painful on a personal level to have all this sruff raked over - especially as it relates to his dead father, a man who he so loved.0 -
I don't know what the problem is with the morality of tax avoidance. Right wingers do not believe in the state, they believe in individualism, they think that people need to pay their own way. It is entirely intuitive that they think that they should use every possible measure to to avoid paying for feckless others.
That said, Cameron should be applauded all the more. It cannot elevate his spirits too much to think that his dad's best efforts were spent to make the rich richer, but that said, Cameron has largely repudiated his dad, and is now using his last political capital to make sure that the UK is part of a broadly socialist EU collective.
David Cameron rocks....and I seriously mean that.0 -
'Mr Smith? On 22 August His Majesty will be raising his standard for the forthcoming Civil War. Can he count on your support?'kle4 said:
Happens to me all the time - it's a conspiracy, I tell you.Moses_ said:Oi!! I was first it just wouldn't let me post
For Forks sake
Off topic, I really wish people would stop with all the petitions. This latest one is worthier than most, but I'm still sick of them, as they're usually so bloody self righteous.
Amusingly, I was looking over some old university work looking at parliaments in the 17th century, and there was one memorable bit where some petitions had come in to the parliament, said to be signed by thousands but there were no hands to it, which I presume means no proof of signature, and some members took exception to it. I just have a hard time picturing someone going door to door with a clipboard in 17th century england.
'Not sure... Don't remember him doing anything about the potholes.'
'Let's put him down as a Roundhead waverer.'0 -
Dismal productivity data released today (as predicted here on PB six weeks ago).
The UK's output per hour in 2015q4 being lower than it was in 2007q4.
By comparison the UK's government debt is about a trillion quid higher than it was eight years ago.
Ever get the impression that the UK is living just a little beyond its means ?
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Well I think I called it about right, when I said I bet he had, but had organized his affairs very carefully such that everything was very neat and tidy for when he became leader. I would also guess that all this supposed money that CH4 think is still offshore is in the name of Cameron's mother and siblings.kle4 said:
Many people, in all probability. I possibly did.FrancisUrquhart said:
Who said it was a non-story?SouthamObserver said:Anyway, those wise souls who called the Cameron tax thing a non-story that would soon blowover have been proved totally correct :-)
I actually feel sorry for him, to be honest. It must be incredibly painful on a personal level to have all this sruff raked over - especially as it relates to his dead father, a man who he so loved.0 -
I do love how, purely because of the EU situation, the situation now arises with some regularity wherein former Cameroons are feeling the knife being twisted by other people praising Cameron.tyson said:I don't know what the problem is with the morality of tax avoidance. Right wingers do not believe in the state, they believe in individualism, they think that people need to pay their own way. It is entirely intuitive that they think that they should use every possible measure to to avoid paying for feckless others.
That said, Cameron should be applauded all the more. It cannot elevate his spirits too much to think that his dad's best efforts were spent to make the rich richer, but that said, Cameron has largely repudiated his dad, and is now using his last political capital to make sure that the UK is part of a broadly socialist EU collective.
David Cameron rocks....and I seriously mean that.0 -
No....not at all... I said nobody can be sure exactly what their family financial affairs are / where and when they inherit money if they have benefited in some way from tax efficiency. And in all likelihood everybody has at some point some how. If somebody is asked what you called a simple blanket question have you or your family ever benefited from tax avoidance or tax efficiency, you can't answer it 100% honestly with a NO.bigjohnowls said:
You said it was no worse than having an ISA didnt you?FrancisUrquhart said:
Who said it was a non-story?SouthamObserver said:Anyway, those wise souls who called the Cameron tax thing a non-story that would soon blowover have been proved totally correct :-)
I actually feel sorry for him, to be honest. It must be incredibly painful on a personal level to have all this sruff raked over - especially as it relates to his dead father, a man who he so loved.
I also said I bet Cameron had everything organized neatly for being PM.
The reveal today doesn't change any of that. Cameron made an investment, made profit, paid tax. He was left £300k (which we knew about) and says he doesn't know all the ins and outs of how it was made.
And as I said on the previous thread, the PM response on this has been terrible.0 -
Heh. It is in fact pretty remarkable how mundane things were where you have accounts of the things people said. A lot of arguments about which committees to send a matter to, disputes over parliamentary procedure, wording of motions, that sort of thing.RoyalBlue said:
'Mr Smith? On 22 August His Majesty will be raising his standard for the forthcoming Civil War. Can he count on your support?'kle4 said:
Happens to me all the time - it's a conspiracy, I tell you.Moses_ said:Oi!! I was first it just wouldn't let me post
For Forks sake
Off topic, I really wish people would stop with all the petitions. This latest one is worthier than most, but I'm still sick of them, as they're usually so bloody self righteous.
Amusingly, I was looking over some old university work looking at parliaments in the 17th century, and there was one memorable bit where some petitions had come in to the parliament, said to be signed by thousands but there were no hands to it, which I presume means no proof of signature, and some members took exception to it. I just have a hard time picturing someone going door to door with a clipboard in 17th century england.
'Not sure... Don't remember him doing anything about the potholes.'
'Let's put him down as a Roundhead waverer.'0 -
I wasn't thinking of you.FrancisUrquhart said:
No....not at all... I said nobody can be sure exactly what their family financial affairs are / where and when they inherit money if they have benefited in some way from tax efficiency. And in all likelihood everybody has at some point some how.bigjohnowls said:
You said it was no worse than having an ISA didnt you?FrancisUrquhart said:
Who said it was a non-story?SouthamObserver said:Anyway, those wise souls who called the Cameron tax thing a non-story that would soon blowover have been proved totally correct :-)
I actually feel sorry for him, to be honest. It must be incredibly painful on a personal level to have all this sruff raked over - especially as it relates to his dead father, a man who he so loved.
I also said I bet Cameron had everything organized neatly for being PM.
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Ynysddu — Labour hold:
Lab 502 (58.9%; -2.5%)
UKIP 180 (21.1%; +21.1%)
PC 134 (15.7%; -16.9%)
LD 36 (4.2%; +4.2%)0 -
No. The UK is living a lot beyond its means. Of course not having to pay £10 billion a year to the EU and £16 billion in Foreign aid would help.another_richard said:Dismal productivity data released today (as predicted here on PB six weeks ago).
The UK's output per hour in 2015q4 being lower than it was in 2007q4.
By comparison the UK's government debt is about a trillion quid higher than it was eight years ago.
Ever get the impression that the UK is living just a little beyond its means ?0 -
The past was always going to be problematic for David Cameron. That said, it has been handled appallingly. I suspect it is another example of the government being distracted by the referendum.0
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That should get labour and PC very worriedAndyJS said:Ynysddu — Labour hold:
Lab 502 (58.9%; -2.5%)
UKIP 180 (21.1%; +21.1%)
PC 134 (15.7%; -16.9%)
LD 36 (4.2%; +4.2%)0 -
I know of a current story that dares not speak its name- it is what super injunctions are made for.
But I knew second hand of a story second hand in 1992 that would have totally blown apart that election. It only came out in sort of dribs and drabs afterwards- but if it had come out totally, it would have created such a stir, I mean such a stir that it probably would have impacted on that election. Even now it is still pretty explosive in its full version, and that is after 25 years.
Anyway, enough of my teasing- cause that is all I'm going to give.rcs1000 said:I won't be at The Shooting Star, but my father knows the story that dare not speak its name, and will no doubt enlighten all.
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BTW, I would highly recommend finding the Australian equivalent of Panorama on this, its on YouTube...man oh man there is far more interesting scandals than some bloke selling one home in London or another wanting £85k sending back to the UK (which was most likely all legal).0
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The idiot they got from the BBC to spin for him hasn't exactly got a good record before this....AlastairMeeks said:The past was always going to be problematic for David Cameron. That said, it has been handled appallingly. I suspect it is another example of the government being distracted by the referendum.
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What has it got to do with the government?AlastairMeeks said:The past was always going to be problematic for David Cameron. That said, it has been handled appallingly. I suspect it is another example of the government being distracted by the referendum.
This is Cameron's problem and every day that goes by he looks more slippery.0 -
Agree entirely - the referendum is paralysing the GovernmentAlastairMeeks said:The past was always going to be problematic for David Cameron. That said, it has been handled appallingly. I suspect it is another example of the government being distracted by the referendum.
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Not good news for Remain, IMHO.FrancisUrquhart said:
No....not at all... I said nobody can be sure exactly what their family financial affairs are / where and when they inherit money if they have benefited in some way from tax efficiency. And in all likelihood everybody has at some point some how. If somebody is asked what you called a simple blanket question have you or your family ever benefited from tax avoidance or tax efficiency, you can't answer it 100% honestly with a NO.bigjohnowls said:
You said it was no worse than having an ISA didnt you?FrancisUrquhart said:
Who said it was a non-story?SouthamObserver said:Anyway, those wise souls who called the Cameron tax thing a non-story that would soon blowover have been proved totally correct :-)
I actually feel sorry for him, to be honest. It must be incredibly painful on a personal level to have all this sruff raked over - especially as it relates to his dead father, a man who he so loved.
I also said I bet Cameron had everything organized neatly for being PM.
The reveal today doesn't change any of that. Cameron made an investment, made profit, paid tax. He was left £300k (which we knew about) and says he doesn't know all the ins and outs of how it was made.
And as I said on the previous thread, the PM response on this has been terrible.
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Is that the party line?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Agree entirely - the referendum is paralysing the GovernmentAlastairMeeks said:The past was always going to be problematic for David Cameron. That said, it has been handled appallingly. I suspect it is another example of the government being distracted by the referendum.
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No - it is there for all to seenigel4england said:
Is that the party line?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Agree entirely - the referendum is paralysing the GovernmentAlastairMeeks said:The past was always going to be problematic for David Cameron. That said, it has been handled appallingly. I suspect it is another example of the government being distracted by the referendum.
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Well it's poetic justice. Cameron has tried to con the public over the EU and has treated them with contempt. If this brings him into disrepute he thoroughly deserves it.Sean_F said:
Not good news for Remain, IMHO.FrancisUrquhart said:
No....not at all... I said nobody can be sure exactly what their family financial affairs are / where and when they inherit money if they have benefited in some way from tax efficiency. And in all likelihood everybody has at some point some how. If somebody is asked what you called a simple blanket question have you or your family ever benefited from tax avoidance or tax efficiency, you can't answer it 100% honestly with a NO.bigjohnowls said:
You said it was no worse than having an ISA didnt you?FrancisUrquhart said:
Who said it was a non-story?SouthamObserver said:Anyway, those wise souls who called the Cameron tax thing a non-story that would soon blowover have been proved totally correct :-)
I actually feel sorry for him, to be honest. It must be incredibly painful on a personal level to have all this sruff raked over - especially as it relates to his dead father, a man who he so loved.
I also said I bet Cameron had everything organized neatly for being PM.
The reveal today doesn't change any of that. Cameron made an investment, made profit, paid tax. He was left £300k (which we knew about) and says he doesn't know all the ins and outs of how it was made.
And as I said on the previous thread, the PM response on this has been terrible.0 -
Calling the leavers 'petty, crude and insulting' is petty, crude and insulting.perdix said:The Leavers on here are petty, crude and insulting. Let's have some concrete ideas on how you would proceed if Brexit wins.
Can we have some concrete ideas for the development of the EU and the UK if Brexit loses?0 -
I should clarify my "I bet Cameron organized things neatly for being PM" comment, I meant it in a slightly cynical way...As in no suggestion of anything wrong, rather family affairs have been set to try to ensure that, rather than not having money for share / investments. Same with the father's will, all very neat, with other family members receiving a significantly larger share of things.
Very sensible for somebody looking to be PM. Don't want to get in a Mandelson style situation.0 -
Cameron can at least take comfort in that he's not in as big a mess as Hunt http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/07/jeremy-hunt-in-trouble-ids-moment0
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My conversion to Cameron really is genuine and real. Seriously, I would vote Cameron over Corbyn, or Farron any day.
But most of all, and quite deliciously, Cameron is proving all the EU out brigade to be a bunch of zealous, swivel eyes, fucking morons. And that is being kind on my part. And for that I really do admire DC.kle4 said:
I do love how, purely because of the EU situation, the situation now arises with some regularity wherein former Cameroons are feeling the knife being twisted by other people praising Cameron.tyson said:I don't know what the problem is with the morality of tax avoidance. Right wingers do not believe in the state, they believe in individualism, they think that people need to pay their own way. It is entirely intuitive that they think that they should use every possible measure to to avoid paying for feckless others.
That said, Cameron should be applauded all the more. It cannot elevate his spirits too much to think that his dad's best efforts were spent to make the rich richer, but that said, Cameron has largely repudiated his dad, and is now using his last political capital to make sure that the UK is part of a broadly socialist EU collective.
David Cameron rocks....and I seriously mean that.0 -
What has come out so far looks remarkably small beer to me and I doubt it is going to change anyone's impression of David Cameron. In the public's thumbnail sketch of him, he's thought to be an Eton toff. Eton toffs have these types of arrangements. Whether that bothers you depends largely on your view of Eton toffs.nigel4england said:
What has it got to do with the government?AlastairMeeks said:The past was always going to be problematic for David Cameron. That said, it has been handled appallingly. I suspect it is another example of the government being distracted by the referendum.
This is Cameron's problem and every day that goes by he looks more slippery.
Journalists love this stuff. But the story hasn't caught light yet in the way the expenses scandal did (perhaps because no one really understands what the hell has been going on).
I agree David Cameron looks slippery. That's the ineptness of the presentation. A brisk early explanation of what we were told today would have been forgotten about within hours.
Of course, if there is any more to come, that might change matters completely.0 -
The problem will be after the referendum,Tyson and the lefty remain mates with new found love of cammers will go back hating Cameron but people like me will who respected him will never forgive the con.kle4 said:
I do love how, purely because of the EU situation, the situation now arises with some regularity wherein former Cameroons are feeling the knife being twisted by other people praising Cameron.tyson said:I don't know what the problem is with the morality of tax avoidance. Right wingers do not believe in the state, they believe in individualism, they think that people need to pay their own way. It is entirely intuitive that they think that they should use every possible measure to to avoid paying for feckless others.
That said, Cameron should be applauded all the more. It cannot elevate his spirits too much to think that his dad's best efforts were spent to make the rich richer, but that said, Cameron has largely repudiated his dad, and is now using his last political capital to make sure that the UK is part of a broadly socialist EU collective.
David Cameron rocks....and I seriously mean that.0 -
Was it the Edwina Curry affair with Major ?tyson said:I know of a current story that dares not speak its name- it is what super injunctions are made for.
But I knew second hand of a story second hand in 1992 that would have totally blown apart that election. It only came out in sort of dribs and drabs afterwards- but if it had come out totally, it would have created such a stir, I mean such a stir that it probably would have impacted on that election. Even now it is still pretty explosive in its full version, and that is after 25 years.
Anyway, enough of my teasing- cause that is all I'm going to give.rcs1000 said:I won't be at The Shooting Star, but my father knows the story that dare not speak its name, and will no doubt enlighten all.
Or the BCCI scandal ?0 -
Say what you mean tyson. Don't hold back.tyson said:My conversion to Cameron really is genuine and real. Seriously, I would vote Cameron over Corbyn, or Farron any day.
But most of all, and quite deliciously, Cameron is proving all the EU out brigade to be a bunch of zealous, swivel eyes, fucking morons. And that is being kind on my part. And for that I really do admire DC.kle4 said:
I do love how, purely because of the EU situation, the situation now arises with some regularity wherein former Cameroons are feeling the knife being twisted by other people praising Cameron.tyson said:I don't know what the problem is with the morality of tax avoidance. Right wingers do not believe in the state, they believe in individualism, they think that people need to pay their own way. It is entirely intuitive that they think that they should use every possible measure to to avoid paying for feckless others.
That said, Cameron should be applauded all the more. It cannot elevate his spirits too much to think that his dad's best efforts were spent to make the rich richer, but that said, Cameron has largely repudiated his dad, and is now using his last political capital to make sure that the UK is part of a broadly socialist EU collective.
David Cameron rocks....and I seriously mean that.
How inconvenient that your conversion to Cameron has come about after you were ever able to vote for him.
It might just be delicious on here if there is a leave vote...0 -
Really ?Big_G_NorthWales said:
That should get labour and PC very worriedAndyJS said:Ynysddu — Labour hold:
Lab 502 (58.9%; -2.5%)
UKIP 180 (21.1%; +21.1%)
PC 134 (15.7%; -16.9%)
LD 36 (4.2%; +4.2%)0 -
Investing £15k in some shares, by most middle class standards is within the realm of understanding, it is not exactly moat cleaning or duck house type stuff.AlastairMeeks said:
What has come out so far looks remarkably small beer to me and I doubt it is going to change anyone's impression of David Cameron. In the public's thumbnail sketch of him, he's thought to be an Eton toff. Eton toffs have these types of arrangements. Whether that bothers you depends largely on your view of Eton toffs.nigel4england said:
What has it got to do with the government?AlastairMeeks said:The past was always going to be problematic for David Cameron. That said, it has been handled appallingly. I suspect it is another example of the government being distracted by the referendum.
This is Cameron's problem and every day that goes by he looks more slippery.
Journalists love this stuff. But the story hasn't caught light yet in the way the expenses scandal did (perhaps because no one really understands what the hell has been going on).
I agree David Cameron looks slippery. That's the ineptness of the presentation. A brisk early explanation of what we were told today would have been forgotten about within hours.
Of course, if there is any more to come, that might change matters completely.
Spin team want shooting, whatever the full extent of the story is.0 -
Rudy Giuliani endorses Donald Trump before the NY primary
http://nypost.com/2016/04/07/rudy-giuliani-is-voting-for-donald-trump/0 -
Yessurbiton said:
Really ?Big_G_NorthWales said:
That should get labour and PC very worriedAndyJS said:Ynysddu — Labour hold:
Lab 502 (58.9%; -2.5%)
UKIP 180 (21.1%; +21.1%)
PC 134 (15.7%; -16.9%)
LD 36 (4.2%; +4.2%)0 -
PC Yes - Labour No. new kid on the block will take some votes from everyone. Labour vote seems to be holding up.surbiton said:
Really ?Big_G_NorthWales said:
That should get labour and PC very worriedAndyJS said:Ynysddu — Labour hold:
Lab 502 (58.9%; -2.5%)
UKIP 180 (21.1%; +21.1%)
PC 134 (15.7%; -16.9%)
LD 36 (4.2%; +4.2%)0 -
Agreed. FU's guess that there was likely some past relationship with his Dad's fund just made sense. The earlier statements and clarifications were plain foolish.AlastairMeeks said:
What has come out so far looks remarkably small beer to me and I doubt it is going to change anyone's impression of David Cameron. In the public's thumbnail sketch of him, he's thought to be an Eton toff. Eton toffs have these types of arrangements. Whether that bothers you depends largely on your view of Eton toffs.nigel4england said:
What has it got to do with the government?AlastairMeeks said:The past was always going to be problematic for David Cameron. That said, it has been handled appallingly. I suspect it is another example of the government being distracted by the referendum.
This is Cameron's problem and every day that goes by he looks more slippery.
Journalists love this stuff. But the story hasn't caught light yet in the way the expenses scandal did (perhaps because no one really understands what the hell has been going on).
I agree David Cameron looks slippery. That's the ineptness of the presentation. A brisk early explanation of what we were told today would have been forgotten about within hours.
Of course, if there is any more to come, that might change matters completely.
I think the days of my man Dave being good with his back to the wall are over; he doesn't appear to want it enough any more. (And to be fair to him, is probably knackered after being party leader for 11 years)0 -
? Apart from a few masochists, all the most repetitive PB Tories are on the leave bus.Mortimer said:
Say what you mean tyson. Don't hold back.tyson said:My conversion to Cameron really is genuine and real. Seriously, I would vote Cameron over Corbyn, or Farron any day.
But most of all, and quite deliciously, Cameron is proving all the EU out brigade to be a bunch of zealous, swivel eyes, fucking morons. And that is being kind on my part. And for that I really do admire DC.kle4 said:
I do love how, purely because of the EU situation, the situation now arises with some regularity wherein former Cameroons are feeling the knife being twisted by other people praising Cameron.tyson said:I don't know what the problem is with the morality of tax avoidance. Right wingers do not believe in the state, they believe in individualism, they think that people need to pay their own way. It is entirely intuitive that they think that they should use every possible measure to to avoid paying for feckless others.
That said, Cameron should be applauded all the more. It cannot elevate his spirits too much to think that his dad's best efforts were spent to make the rich richer, but that said, Cameron has largely repudiated his dad, and is now using his last political capital to make sure that the UK is part of a broadly socialist EU collective.
David Cameron rocks....and I seriously mean that.
How inconvenient that your conversion to Cameron has come about after you were ever able to vote for him.
It might just be delicious on here if there is a leave vote...
The typical PB comments response to the occasional Remain post from Mr Meeks or others reminds me of entitled undergraduates demanding a safe space.0 -
I am actually really surprised it is just £15k they put in...maybe that should be a red warning sign or maybe they didn't think much of his Dad's investment skills, I don't know.Mortimer said:
Agreed. FU's guess that there was likely some past relationship with his Dad's fund just made sense. The earlier statements and clarifications were plain foolish.AlastairMeeks said:
What has come out so far looks remarkably small beer to me and I doubt it is going to change anyone's impression of David Cameron. In the public's thumbnail sketch of him, he's thought to be an Eton toff. Eton toffs have these types of arrangements. Whether that bothers you depends largely on your view of Eton toffs.nigel4england said:
What has it got to do with the government?AlastairMeeks said:The past was always going to be problematic for David Cameron. That said, it has been handled appallingly. I suspect it is another example of the government being distracted by the referendum.
This is Cameron's problem and every day that goes by he looks more slippery.
Journalists love this stuff. But the story hasn't caught light yet in the way the expenses scandal did (perhaps because no one really understands what the hell has been going on).
I agree David Cameron looks slippery. That's the ineptness of the presentation. A brisk early explanation of what we were told today would have been forgotten about within hours.
Of course, if there is any more to come, that might change matters completely.
I think the days of my man Dave being good with his back to the wall are over; he doesn't appear to want it enough any more. (And to be fair to him, is probably knackered after being party leader for 11 years)
I would have guessed a lot more than that, given how wealthy Mrs C is both from family and from being extremely successful in her own right.0 -
No not Edwina- for 1992- my close friend was brought into a meeting with all sorts of "special" government advisers to discuss a very tricky allegation that sort of came out afterwards in a very small way. Even now that story is explosive.
2016- the journalists know what the story is- you just need to be close to one of them, or perhaps go to the Shooting Star tomorrow night and someone will tell you....Speedy said:
Was it the Edwina Curry affair with Major ?tyson said:I know of a current story that dares not speak its name- it is what super injunctions are made for.
But I knew second hand of a story second hand in 1992 that would have totally blown apart that election. It only came out in sort of dribs and drabs afterwards- but if it had come out totally, it would have created such a stir, I mean such a stir that it probably would have impacted on that election. Even now it is still pretty explosive in its full version, and that is after 25 years.
Anyway, enough of my teasing- cause that is all I'm going to give.rcs1000 said:I won't be at The Shooting Star, but my father knows the story that dare not speak its name, and will no doubt enlighten all.
Or the BCCI scandal ?0 -
"Conservative MPs have threatened to "grind Government to a halt" as a backlash began over David Cameron's plans to use £9million of taxpayers' money to send a pro-EU leaflet to every home in the UK.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Agree entirely - the referendum is paralysing the GovernmentAlastairMeeks said:The past was always going to be problematic for David Cameron. That said, it has been handled appallingly. I suspect it is another example of the government being distracted by the referendum.
Eurosceptic MPs warned the Prime Minister that they will block Government legislation in Parliament, creating an unprecedented split in the Party"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/07/politics-live-governments-9million-anti-brexit-letter-sparks-fur/0 -
Sorry to miss it. No way can I get down there in time. Cheers to those who are going.tyson said:No not Edwina- for 1992- my close friend was brought into a meeting with all sorts of "special" government advisers to discuss a very tricky allegation that sort of came out afterwards in a very small way. Even now that story is explosive.
2016- the journalists know what the story is- you just need to be close to one of them, or perhaps go to the Shooting Star tomorrow night and someone will tell you....Speedy said:
Was it the Edwina Curry affair with Major ?tyson said:I know of a current story that dares not speak its name- it is what super injunctions are made for.
But I knew second hand of a story second hand in 1992 that would have totally blown apart that election. It only came out in sort of dribs and drabs afterwards- but if it had come out totally, it would have created such a stir, I mean such a stir that it probably would have impacted on that election. Even now it is still pretty explosive in its full version, and that is after 25 years.
Anyway, enough of my teasing- cause that is all I'm going to give.rcs1000 said:I won't be at The Shooting Star, but my father knows the story that dare not speak its name, and will no doubt enlighten all.
Or the BCCI scandal ?0 -
So it's the BCCI thing.tyson said:No not Edwina- for 1992- my close friend was brought into a meeting with all sorts of "special" government advisers to discuss a very tricky allegation that sort of came out afterwards in a very small way. Even now that story is explosive.
2016- the journalists know what the story is- you just need to be close to one of them, or perhaps go to the Shooting Star tomorrow night and someone will tell you....Speedy said:
Was it the Edwina Curry affair with Major ?tyson said:I know of a current story that dares not speak its name- it is what super injunctions are made for.
But I knew second hand of a story second hand in 1992 that would have totally blown apart that election. It only came out in sort of dribs and drabs afterwards- but if it had come out totally, it would have created such a stir, I mean such a stir that it probably would have impacted on that election. Even now it is still pretty explosive in its full version, and that is after 25 years.
Anyway, enough of my teasing- cause that is all I'm going to give.rcs1000 said:I won't be at The Shooting Star, but my father knows the story that dare not speak its name, and will no doubt enlighten all.
Or the BCCI scandal ?
I always wondered how a bank founded by a pakistani in the early 70's quickly became one of the largest in the world, only to close shop once the Cold War ended.0 -
The smugness of remainers has actually pushed me into donating to Leave and post on here more - it is pretty stultifying and reminds me of the lefty wailers on my Fb feed before the last election.EPG said:
? Apart from a few masochists, all the most repetitive PB Tories are on the leave bus.Mortimer said:
Say what you mean tyson. Don't hold back.tyson said:My conversion to Cameron really is genuine and real. Seriously, I would vote Cameron over Corbyn, or Farron any day.
But most of all, and quite deliciously, Cameron is proving all the EU out brigade to be a bunch of zealous, swivel eyes, fucking morons. And that is being kind on my part. And for that I really do admire DC.kle4 said:
I do love how, purely because of the EU situation, the situation now arises with some regularity wherein former Cameroons are feeling the knife being twisted by other people praising Cameron.tyson said:I don't know what the problem is with the morality of tax avoidance. Right wingers do not believe in the state, they believe in individualism, they think that people need to pay their own way. It is entirely intuitive that they think that they should use every possible measure to to avoid paying for feckless others.
That said, Cameron should be applauded all the more. It cannot elevate his spirits too much to think that his dad's best efforts were spent to make the rich richer, but that said, Cameron has largely repudiated his dad, and is now using his last political capital to make sure that the UK is part of a broadly socialist EU collective.
David Cameron rocks....and I seriously mean that.
How inconvenient that your conversion to Cameron has come about after you were ever able to vote for him.
It might just be delicious on here if there is a leave vote...
The typical PB comments response to the occasional Remain post from Mr Meeks or others reminds me of entitled undergraduates demanding a safe space.0 -
I'm afraid you're right. It's the antics of the Leavers that pushed me - albeit reluctantly - towards Remain. The other day they were even criticizing Dave for his opposition to EU trade tariffs. Astonishing. Some weird thought processes must be going on there, and if that's the case one can hardly trust their vision of the future. I might revisit in a few years when Leave have got their act together.tyson said:My conversion to Cameron really is genuine and real. Seriously, I would vote Cameron over Corbyn, or Farron any day.
But most of all, and quite deliciously, Cameron is proving all the EU out brigade to be a bunch of zealous, swivel eyes, fucking morons. And that is being kind on my part. And for that I really do admire DC.kle4 said:
I do love how, purely because of the EU situation, the situation now arises with some regularity wherein former Cameroons are feeling the knife being twisted by other people praising Cameron.tyson said:I don't know what the problem is with the morality of tax avoidance. Right wingers do not believe in the state, they believe in individualism, they think that people need to pay their own way. It is entirely intuitive that they think that they should use every possible measure to to avoid paying for feckless others.
That said, Cameron should be applauded all the more. It cannot elevate his spirits too much to think that his dad's best efforts were spent to make the rich richer, but that said, Cameron has largely repudiated his dad, and is now using his last political capital to make sure that the UK is part of a broadly socialist EU collective.
David Cameron rocks....and I seriously mean that.0 -
Dr Fox- I'm not in London. And even if I did, there is no way in a million years I would say anything about anything to anyone.foxinsoxuk said:
Sorry to miss it. No way can I get down there in time. Cheers to those who are going.tyson said:No not Edwina- for 1992- my close friend was brought into a meeting with all sorts of "special" government advisers to discuss a very tricky allegation that sort of came out afterwards in a very small way. Even now that story is explosive.
2016- the journalists know what the story is- you just need to be close to one of them, or perhaps go to the Shooting Star tomorrow night and someone will tell you....Speedy said:
Was it the Edwina Curry affair with Major ?tyson said:I know of a current story that dares not speak its name- it is what super injunctions are made for.
But I knew second hand of a story second hand in 1992 that would have totally blown apart that election. It only came out in sort of dribs and drabs afterwards- but if it had come out totally, it would have created such a stir, I mean such a stir that it probably would have impacted on that election. Even now it is still pretty explosive in its full version, and that is after 25 years.
Anyway, enough of my teasing- cause that is all I'm going to give.rcs1000 said:I won't be at The Shooting Star, but my father knows the story that dare not speak its name, and will no doubt enlighten all.
Or the BCCI scandal ?0 -
The Serious Fraud Office has opened a criminal inquiry into Tata’s steel-making operation, the Telegraph can disclose.
Police officers are examining allegations that staff working for the company’s office in Britain may have falsified certificates detailing the composition of the product before they were sold.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/07/serious-fraud-office-launches-criminal-inquiry-into-tata-steel/0 -
Conservatives gain Perth and Kinross0
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I don't think you can blame the spin team on this. Because it's a personal matter, only Cameron himself could comment on it. The responsibility for screwing up the presentation has to be his.FrancisUrquhart said:Investing £15k in some shares, by most middle class standards is within the realm of understanding, it is not exactly moat cleaning or duck house type stuff.
Spin team want shooting, whatever the full extent of the story is.
Having said that, I agree with Alastair that, in itself, the story is small beer. That in a way makes the screw-up a more egregious error.0 -
While gossip is always interesting, I really rather fancied a pint. Fortunately one of our secretaries leaving so there is that option. Less conversation on the Brexit referendum that is boring the nation at least.tyson said:Dr Fox- I'm not in London. And even if I did, there is no way in a million years I would say anything about anything to anyone.
foxinsoxuk said:
Sorry to miss it. No way can I get down there in time. Cheers to those who are going.tyson said:No not Edwina- for 1992- my close friend was brought into a meeting with all sorts of "special" government advisers to discuss a very tricky allegation that sort of came out afterwards in a very small way. Even now that story is explosive.
2016- the journalists know what the story is- you just need to be close to one of them, or perhaps go to the Shooting Star tomorrow night and someone will tell you....Speedy said:
Was it the Edwina Curry affair with Major ?tyson said:I know of a current story that dares not speak its name- it is what super injunctions are made for.
But I knew second hand of a story second hand in 1992 that would have totally blown apart that election. It only came out in sort of dribs and drabs afterwards- but if it had come out totally, it would have created such a stir, I mean such a stir that it probably would have impacted on that election. Even now it is still pretty explosive in its full version, and that is after 25 years.
Anyway, enough of my teasing- cause that is all I'm going to give.rcs1000 said:I won't be at The Shooting Star, but my father knows the story that dare not speak its name, and will no doubt enlighten all.
Or the BCCI scandal ?
Perhaps next time...0 -
Ha.FrancisUrquhart said:The Serious Fraud Office has opened a criminal inquiry into Tata’s steel-making operation, the Telegraph can disclose.
Police officers are examining allegations that staff working for the company’s office in Britain may have falsified certificates detailing the composition of the product before they were sold.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/07/serious-fraud-office-launches-criminal-inquiry-into-tata-steel/
So we got competing scandals both embarrassing to the government.0 -
No Speedy Re; 1992 it's not the BCCI thing either. I hate to be a prick tease because my normal instinct is to be a big blabbermouth- suffice to say it is something sexual and something really quite weird, and cannot be guessed, even on what has come to light afterwards . And that is as far as I can possibly go.
2016- I'll prick tease a bit on that one- because if I said anything else....... And that is that I'm afraid. Go to the Shooting Star and I'm sure you'll find someone who knows- but it won't be me.Speedy said:
So it's the BCCI thing.tyson said:No not Edwina- for 1992- my close friend was brought into a meeting with all sorts of "special" government advisers to discuss a very tricky allegation that sort of came out afterwards in a very small way. Even now that story is explosive.
2016- the journalists know what the story is- you just need to be close to one of them, or perhaps go to the Shooting Star tomorrow night and someone will tell you....Speedy said:
Was it the Edwina Curry affair with Major ?tyson said:I know of a current story that dares not speak its name- it is what super injunctions are made for.
But I knew second hand of a story second hand in 1992 that would have totally blown apart that election. It only came out in sort of dribs and drabs afterwards- but if it had come out totally, it would have created such a stir, I mean such a stir that it probably would have impacted on that election. Even now it is still pretty explosive in its full version, and that is after 25 years.
Anyway, enough of my teasing- cause that is all I'm going to give.rcs1000 said:I won't be at The Shooting Star, but my father knows the story that dare not speak its name, and will no doubt enlighten all.
Or the BCCI scandal ?
I always wondered how a bank founded by a pakistani in the early 70's quickly became one of the largest in the world, only to close shop once the Cold War ended.0 -
The amount invested is the price of a family car. Its not exactly a fortune. Not worth making a fuss over.Richard_Nabavi said:
I don't think you can blame the spin team on this. Because it's a personal matter, only Cameron himself could comment on it. The responsibility for screwing up the presentation has to be his.FrancisUrquhart said:Investing £15k in some shares, by most middle class standards is within the realm of understanding, it is not exactly moat cleaning or duck house type stuff.
Spin team want shooting, whatever the full extent of the story is.
Having said that, I agree with Alastair that, in itself, the story is small beer. That in a way makes the screw-up a more egregious error.0
