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The UK Government says opinion polls are more important than actual votes – politicalbetting.com

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edited August 29 in General
The UK Government says opinion polls are more important than actual votes – politicalbetting.com

Exclusive: Scotland could hold a second independence referendum if polls show 60 percent of Scots consistently support principle of a fresh vote, Scottish Secretary Alister Jack suggested in an interview with me yesterday. https://t.co/kKhwuRQNzG

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  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 20,676
    Aren’t opinion polls part of the GFA?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,701
    OT another reason for not getting involved in SPotY betting until the shortlist is known – Cristiano Ronaldo now plays for the team whose supporters won SPotY for Ryan Giggs in a year he'd done nothing of importance.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 20,676

    OT another reason for not getting involved in SPotY betting until the shortlist is known – Cristiano Ronaldo now plays for the team whose supporters won SPotY for Ryan Giggs in a year he'd done nothing of importance.

    Ronaldo is Portuguese. And Ryan Giggs won his 11th league title in 2008-09, and I seem to recall he was very good in that season. You could argue Steve Redgrave didn’t do anything special in 2000.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,701
    Who is "me" in "interview with me" at the top of the abbreviated header on Vanilla?
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 15,609
    edited August 29
    tlg86 said:

    Aren’t opinion polls part of the GFA?

    Looking it up it says:
    1. The Secretary of State may by order direct the holding of a poll for the purposes of section 1 on a date specified in the order.

    2. Subject to paragraph 3, the Secretary of State shall exercise the power under paragraph 1 if at any time it appears likely to him that a majority of those voting would express a wish that Northern Ireland should cease to be part of the United Kingdom and form part of a united Ireland.

    3. The Secretary of State shall not make an order under paragraph 1 earlier than seven years after the holding of a previous poll under this Schedule.

    https://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users/ireland/today/good_friday/full_text.html
    So it doesn't specifically mention opinion polls, I suppose he could look at the Betfair odds...
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,701
    tlg86 said:

    OT another reason for not getting involved in SPotY betting until the shortlist is known – Cristiano Ronaldo now plays for the team whose supporters won SPotY for Ryan Giggs in a year he'd done nothing of importance.

    Ronaldo is Portuguese. And Ryan Giggs won his 11th league title in 2008-09, and I seem to recall he was very good in that season. You could argue Steve Redgrave didn’t do anything special in 2000.
    Ronaldo is Portuguese, yes, and Frankie Dettori is Italian but plies his trade in Britain and came third in 1996 (the year he went through the card at Ascot – his magnificent seven). The point about Giggs is that he received only three votes from people who did not support MUFC. Giggs was nearing retirement and the supporters club campaigned for him. The same supporters who might get behind Ronaldo who is arguably the best player in the world. I do not say it is likely and doubt Ronaldo will be nominated but following his transfer to Manchester United, it is possible.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 20,676

    tlg86 said:

    OT another reason for not getting involved in SPotY betting until the shortlist is known – Cristiano Ronaldo now plays for the team whose supporters won SPotY for Ryan Giggs in a year he'd done nothing of importance.

    Ronaldo is Portuguese. And Ryan Giggs won his 11th league title in 2008-09, and I seem to recall he was very good in that season. You could argue Steve Redgrave didn’t do anything special in 2000.
    Ronaldo is Portuguese, yes, and Frankie Dettori is Italian but plies his trade in Britain and came third in 1996 (the year he went through the card at Ascot – his magnificent seven). The point about Giggs is that he received only three votes from people who did not support MUFC. Giggs was nearing retirement and the supporters club campaigned for him. The same supporters who might get behind Ronaldo who is arguably the best player in the world. I do not say it is likely and doubt Ronaldo will be nominated but following his transfer to Manchester United, it is possible.
    Dettori came here as a kid and is considered “one of our own”. I would be less shocked if Rashord is nominated than if Ronaldo is.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,701
    edited August 29
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    OT another reason for not getting involved in SPotY betting until the shortlist is known – Cristiano Ronaldo now plays for the team whose supporters won SPotY for Ryan Giggs in a year he'd done nothing of importance.

    Ronaldo is Portuguese. And Ryan Giggs won his 11th league title in 2008-09, and I seem to recall he was very good in that season. You could argue Steve Redgrave didn’t do anything special in 2000.
    Ronaldo is Portuguese, yes, and Frankie Dettori is Italian but plies his trade in Britain and came third in 1996 (the year he went through the card at Ascot – his magnificent seven). The point about Giggs is that he received only three votes from people who did not support MUFC. Giggs was nearing retirement and the supporters club campaigned for him. The same supporters who might get behind Ronaldo who is arguably the best player in the world. I do not say it is likely and doubt Ronaldo will be nominated but following his transfer to Manchester United, it is possible.
    Dettori came here as a kid and is considered “one of our own”. I would be less shocked if Rashord is nominated than if Ronaldo is.
    Frankie was not a kid (he was 14 iirc) as is given away by his pronounced Italian accent. Look, I am not tipping Ronaldo. I doubt he will be nominated but if he is, then history tells us that Reds supporters have the clout to win it for him. For me this is yet another reason to not get involved until the BBC publishes the shortlist.

    ETA Wikipedia reminds us that Kiwi speedway ace Barry Briggs was twice runner up in the 1960s while riding in Britain.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,701
    FPT because there are betting implications.

    The Sun tips Michael Gove to replace Dominic Raab as Foreign Secretary, suggesting Boris can sell it to Raab as becoming de facto Deputy PM, and making it harder for Gove to plot against him. Though the Sun also notes that Gove was previously tipped to replace Priti Patel as Home Secretary.
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15994444/michael-gove-tipped-for-job-swap-with-dominic-raab/
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 20,676
    edited August 29

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    OT another reason for not getting involved in SPotY betting until the shortlist is known – Cristiano Ronaldo now plays for the team whose supporters won SPotY for Ryan Giggs in a year he'd done nothing of importance.

    Ronaldo is Portuguese. And Ryan Giggs won his 11th league title in 2008-09, and I seem to recall he was very good in that season. You could argue Steve Redgrave didn’t do anything special in 2000.
    Ronaldo is Portuguese, yes, and Frankie Dettori is Italian but plies his trade in Britain and came third in 1996 (the year he went through the card at Ascot – his magnificent seven). The point about Giggs is that he received only three votes from people who did not support MUFC. Giggs was nearing retirement and the supporters club campaigned for him. The same supporters who might get behind Ronaldo who is arguably the best player in the world. I do not say it is likely and doubt Ronaldo will be nominated but following his transfer to Manchester United, it is possible.
    Dettori came here as a kid and is considered “one of our own”. I would be less shocked if Rashord is nominated than if Ronaldo is.
    Frankie was not a kid (he was 14 iirc) as is given away by his pronounced Italian accent. Look, I am not tipping Ronaldo. I doubt he will be nominated but if he is, then history tells us that Reds supporters have the clout to win it for him. For me this is yet another reason to not get involved until the BBC publishes the shortlist.

    ETA Wikipedia reminds us that Kiwi speedway ace Barry Briggs was twice runner up in the 1960s while riding in Britain.
    But horse racing is just different to football. If you’re thinking non-Brits are in with a shout, I’d suggest Rachael Blackmore is a better bet: female and winner of the Grand National.

    And on Barry Briggs, I think that reflects he fact that speedway (Tai Woofinden has been unlucky not to be nominated in recent years) was massive back then and we saw kiwis as our own.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,701
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    OT another reason for not getting involved in SPotY betting until the shortlist is known – Cristiano Ronaldo now plays for the team whose supporters won SPotY for Ryan Giggs in a year he'd done nothing of importance.

    Ronaldo is Portuguese. And Ryan Giggs won his 11th league title in 2008-09, and I seem to recall he was very good in that season. You could argue Steve Redgrave didn’t do anything special in 2000.
    Ronaldo is Portuguese, yes, and Frankie Dettori is Italian but plies his trade in Britain and came third in 1996 (the year he went through the card at Ascot – his magnificent seven). The point about Giggs is that he received only three votes from people who did not support MUFC. Giggs was nearing retirement and the supporters club campaigned for him. The same supporters who might get behind Ronaldo who is arguably the best player in the world. I do not say it is likely and doubt Ronaldo will be nominated but following his transfer to Manchester United, it is possible.
    Dettori came here as a kid and is considered “one of our own”. I would be less shocked if Rashord is nominated than if Ronaldo is.
    Frankie was not a kid (he was 14 iirc) as is given away by his pronounced Italian accent. Look, I am not tipping Ronaldo. I doubt he will be nominated but if he is, then history tells us that Reds supporters have the clout to win it for him. For me this is yet another reason to not get involved until the BBC publishes the shortlist.

    ETA Wikipedia reminds us that Kiwi speedway ace Barry Briggs was twice runner up in the 1960s while riding in Britain.
    But horse racing is just different to football. If you’re thinking non-Brits are in with a shout, I’d suggest Rachael Blackmore is a better bet: female and winner of the Grand National.

    And on Barry Briggs, I think that reflects he fact that speedway (Tai Woofinden has been unlucky not to be nominated in recent years) was massive back then and we saw kiwis as our own.
    You are missing the point. I'll stop now.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 20,676

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    OT another reason for not getting involved in SPotY betting until the shortlist is known – Cristiano Ronaldo now plays for the team whose supporters won SPotY for Ryan Giggs in a year he'd done nothing of importance.

    Ronaldo is Portuguese. And Ryan Giggs won his 11th league title in 2008-09, and I seem to recall he was very good in that season. You could argue Steve Redgrave didn’t do anything special in 2000.
    Ronaldo is Portuguese, yes, and Frankie Dettori is Italian but plies his trade in Britain and came third in 1996 (the year he went through the card at Ascot – his magnificent seven). The point about Giggs is that he received only three votes from people who did not support MUFC. Giggs was nearing retirement and the supporters club campaigned for him. The same supporters who might get behind Ronaldo who is arguably the best player in the world. I do not say it is likely and doubt Ronaldo will be nominated but following his transfer to Manchester United, it is possible.
    Dettori came here as a kid and is considered “one of our own”. I would be less shocked if Rashord is nominated than if Ronaldo is.
    Frankie was not a kid (he was 14 iirc) as is given away by his pronounced Italian accent. Look, I am not tipping Ronaldo. I doubt he will be nominated but if he is, then history tells us that Reds supporters have the clout to win it for him. For me this is yet another reason to not get involved until the BBC publishes the shortlist.

    ETA Wikipedia reminds us that Kiwi speedway ace Barry Briggs was twice runner up in the 1960s while riding in Britain.
    But horse racing is just different to football. If you’re thinking non-Brits are in with a shout, I’d suggest Rachael Blackmore is a better bet: female and winner of the Grand National.

    And on Barry Briggs, I think that reflects he fact that speedway (Tai Woofinden has been unlucky not to be nominated in recent years) was massive back then and we saw kiwis as our own.
    You are missing the point. I'll stop now.
    Ronaldo will not be nominated. I am 100% certain of that.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,701
    The Observer reports the Foreign Office did not read emails, including from government ministers, outlining cases for Afghan refugees.

    the Observer has seen evidence that an official email address used to collate potential Afghan cases from MPs and others regularly contained 5,000 unread emails throughout the week.

    In many cases, emails detailing the cases of Afghans who fear for their families’ lives appear to have been unopened for days. An email from the Labour leader, Keir Starmer, sent on Monday was still unread on Thursday. There also appeared to be unread messages from the offices of Victoria Atkins, the newly appointed minister for Afghan resettlement, the home secretary, Priti Patel, and the Tory chair of the defence select committee, Tobias Ellwood.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/28/revealed-foreign-office-ignored-pleas-help-afghans-mps-evacuation?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,701
    edited August 29
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    OT another reason for not getting involved in SPotY betting until the shortlist is known – Cristiano Ronaldo now plays for the team whose supporters won SPotY for Ryan Giggs in a year he'd done nothing of importance.

    Ronaldo is Portuguese. And Ryan Giggs won his 11th league title in 2008-09, and I seem to recall he was very good in that season. You could argue Steve Redgrave didn’t do anything special in 2000.
    Ronaldo is Portuguese, yes, and Frankie Dettori is Italian but plies his trade in Britain and came third in 1996 (the year he went through the card at Ascot – his magnificent seven). The point about Giggs is that he received only three votes from people who did not support MUFC. Giggs was nearing retirement and the supporters club campaigned for him. The same supporters who might get behind Ronaldo who is arguably the best player in the world. I do not say it is likely and doubt Ronaldo will be nominated but following his transfer to Manchester United, it is possible.
    Dettori came here as a kid and is considered “one of our own”. I would be less shocked if Rashord is nominated than if Ronaldo is.
    Frankie was not a kid (he was 14 iirc) as is given away by his pronounced Italian accent. Look, I am not tipping Ronaldo. I doubt he will be nominated but if he is, then history tells us that Reds supporters have the clout to win it for him. For me this is yet another reason to not get involved until the BBC publishes the shortlist.

    ETA Wikipedia reminds us that Kiwi speedway ace Barry Briggs was twice runner up in the 1960s while riding in Britain.
    But horse racing is just different to football. If you’re thinking non-Brits are in with a shout, I’d suggest Rachael Blackmore is a better bet: female and winner of the Grand National.

    And on Barry Briggs, I think that reflects he fact that speedway (Tai Woofinden has been unlucky not to be nominated in recent years) was massive back then and we saw kiwis as our own.
    You are missing the point. I'll stop now.
    Ronaldo will not be nominated. I am 100% certain of that.
    That is not the point, which is that he is now eligible. As stated earlier, I also believe he will not be shortlisted.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 20,676

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    OT another reason for not getting involved in SPotY betting until the shortlist is known – Cristiano Ronaldo now plays for the team whose supporters won SPotY for Ryan Giggs in a year he'd done nothing of importance.

    Ronaldo is Portuguese. And Ryan Giggs won his 11th league title in 2008-09, and I seem to recall he was very good in that season. You could argue Steve Redgrave didn’t do anything special in 2000.
    Ronaldo is Portuguese, yes, and Frankie Dettori is Italian but plies his trade in Britain and came third in 1996 (the year he went through the card at Ascot – his magnificent seven). The point about Giggs is that he received only three votes from people who did not support MUFC. Giggs was nearing retirement and the supporters club campaigned for him. The same supporters who might get behind Ronaldo who is arguably the best player in the world. I do not say it is likely and doubt Ronaldo will be nominated but following his transfer to Manchester United, it is possible.
    Dettori came here as a kid and is considered “one of our own”. I would be less shocked if Rashord is nominated than if Ronaldo is.
    Frankie was not a kid (he was 14 iirc) as is given away by his pronounced Italian accent. Look, I am not tipping Ronaldo. I doubt he will be nominated but if he is, then history tells us that Reds supporters have the clout to win it for him. For me this is yet another reason to not get involved until the BBC publishes the shortlist.

    ETA Wikipedia reminds us that Kiwi speedway ace Barry Briggs was twice runner up in the 1960s while riding in Britain.
    But horse racing is just different to football. If you’re thinking non-Brits are in with a shout, I’d suggest Rachael Blackmore is a better bet: female and winner of the Grand National.

    And on Barry Briggs, I think that reflects he fact that speedway (Tai Woofinden has been unlucky not to be nominated in recent years) was massive back then and we saw kiwis as our own.
    You are missing the point. I'll stop now.
    Ronaldo will not be nominated. I am 100% certain of that.
    That is not the point, which is that he is now eligible. As stated earlier, I also believe he will not be shortlisted.
    I really don’t think playing for a British football team makes someone eligible.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 41,504
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    OT another reason for not getting involved in SPotY betting until the shortlist is known – Cristiano Ronaldo now plays for the team whose supporters won SPotY for Ryan Giggs in a year he'd done nothing of importance.

    Ronaldo is Portuguese. And Ryan Giggs won his 11th league title in 2008-09, and I seem to recall he was very good in that season. You could argue Steve Redgrave didn’t do anything special in 2000.
    Ronaldo is Portuguese, yes, and Frankie Dettori is Italian but plies his trade in Britain and came third in 1996 (the year he went through the card at Ascot – his magnificent seven). The point about Giggs is that he received only three votes from people who did not support MUFC. Giggs was nearing retirement and the supporters club campaigned for him. The same supporters who might get behind Ronaldo who is arguably the best player in the world. I do not say it is likely and doubt Ronaldo will be nominated but following his transfer to Manchester United, it is possible.
    Dettori came here as a kid and is considered “one of our own”. I would be less shocked if Rashord is nominated than if Ronaldo is.
    Frankie was not a kid (he was 14 iirc) as is given away by his pronounced Italian accent. Look, I am not tipping Ronaldo. I doubt he will be nominated but if he is, then history tells us that Reds supporters have the clout to win it for him. For me this is yet another reason to not get involved until the BBC publishes the shortlist.

    ETA Wikipedia reminds us that Kiwi speedway ace Barry Briggs was twice runner up in the 1960s while riding in Britain.
    But horse racing is just different to football. If you’re thinking non-Brits are in with a shout, I’d suggest Rachael Blackmore is a better bet: female and winner of the Grand National.

    And on Barry Briggs, I think that reflects he fact that speedway (Tai Woofinden has been unlucky not to be nominated in recent years) was massive back then and we saw kiwis as our own.
    You are missing the point. I'll stop now.
    Ronaldo will not be nominated. I am 100% certain of that.
    That is not the point, which is that he is now eligible. As stated earlier, I also believe he will not be shortlisted.
    I really don’t think playing for a British football team makes someone eligible.
    I thought he was going to be playing for Manchester United?
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 15,609

    The Observer reports the Foreign Office did not read emails, including from government ministers, outlining cases for Afghan refugees.

    the Observer has seen evidence that an official email address used to collate potential Afghan cases from MPs and others regularly contained 5,000 unread emails throughout the week.

    In many cases, emails detailing the cases of Afghans who fear for their families’ lives appear to have been unopened for days. An email from the Labour leader, Keir Starmer, sent on Monday was still unread on Thursday. There also appeared to be unread messages from the offices of Victoria Atkins, the newly appointed minister for Afghan resettlement, the home secretary, Priti Patel, and the Tory chair of the defence select committee, Tobias Ellwood.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/28/revealed-foreign-office-ignored-pleas-help-afghans-mps-evacuation?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    Looks like somebody forgot System Administrator Appreciation Day
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 5,279
    ‘Boy, 12, makes £290,000 during school holidays by selling whale art online’

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/boy-12-makes-makes-290000-24853526.amp

    And to think our youngest wasted his time perfecting the butterfly, back-flips and street hockey. Daddy will have to buy his own Porsche.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 57,323
    Good morning, everyone.

    F1: surprised that Norris seems to be starting 14th rather than from the pit lane but apparently that's going to happen. (Five place grid penalty, but Bottas getting the same had promoted him to 9th).
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 36,477

    FPT because there are betting implications.

    The Sun tips Michael Gove to replace Dominic Raab as Foreign Secretary, suggesting Boris can sell it to Raab as becoming de facto Deputy PM, and making it harder for Gove to plot against him. Though the Sun also notes that Gove was previously tipped to replace Priti Patel as Home Secretary.
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15994444/michael-gove-tipped-for-job-swap-with-dominic-raab/

    Seems to be a bad fit for Gove
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 36,477
    From the Telegraph, no less:



    How Europe is pulling ahead of Britain in the great Covid race

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/how-europe-is-pulling-ahead-of-britain-in-the-great-covid-race/ar-AANQyMT?ocid=msedgntp

    Europe joined the vaccine race late, but the pace at which jabs have been going into arms in recent months has been staggering. France is now fractionally ahead of us on single jabs, while Finland, Denmark, Ireland, Spain and Portugal now all have a significantly greater proportion of their citizens fully vaccinated.

    Europe has also been quicker to start vaccinating its teenagers. In France, Spain and Italy, more than half of those aged 12 to 18 are already vaccinated, for example.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 25,144

    FPT because there are betting implications.

    The Sun tips Michael Gove to replace Dominic Raab as Foreign Secretary, suggesting Boris can sell it to Raab as becoming de facto Deputy PM, and making it harder for Gove to plot against him. Though the Sun also notes that Gove was previously tipped to replace Priti Patel as Home Secretary.
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15994444/michael-gove-tipped-for-job-swap-with-dominic-raab/

    Being Deputy PM (and nothing else) was the kiss of death for Nick Clegg (remember him?)

    And it's a fine bright morning in N Essex and the thermometer has just crawled above 10 C.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 57,323
    F1: pre-race ramble:
    https://enormo-haddock.blogspot.com/2021/08/belgium-pre-race-2021.html

    Weather forecast is light rain, arguably the most unhelpful of forecasts as it can vary from having no impact to a lot. Backed under 16.5 classified finishers at evens.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,701
    IanB2 said:

    FPT because there are betting implications.

    The Sun tips Michael Gove to replace Dominic Raab as Foreign Secretary, suggesting Boris can sell it to Raab as becoming de facto Deputy PM, and making it harder for Gove to plot against him. Though the Sun also notes that Gove was previously tipped to replace Priti Patel as Home Secretary.
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15994444/michael-gove-tipped-for-job-swap-with-dominic-raab/

    Seems to be a bad fit for Gove
    Because of Gove's aversion to flying? At least he might show up for work occasionally during times of international crisis.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 90,389
    The 60% figure was chosen by the government precisely because there is zero chance of it ever being met. In fact not only is No back ahead in most polls, Yes are not above 50% in any poll since the 2021 Holyrood election, let alone 60%.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_on_Scottish_independence

    So the UK government can and will refuse an indyref2 and as union matters are reserved to Westminster under the Scotland Act 1998 there is nothing the SNP can do about it. Even a wildcat referendum would have no bearing on the union as Westminster could ignore the result as Madrid did with the Catalan wildcat referendum.

    Hence too Sturgeon and the Greens have said they do not want an indyref2 now but within 5 years, which the polling suggests a narrow plurality of Scots favour. Ideally Sturgeon has put the end of 2023 as the time, which conveniently would be past the likely next UK general election date of Spring or Autumn 2023. That is because if Starmer becomes UK PM Sturgeon knows he would be more willing to grant an indyref2 than Boris without a 60% threshold, especially if reliant on SNP confidence and supply.

    So forget about indyref2 before the next UK general election and expect more Nationalist hardliners to move from SNP to Alba in frustration in the meantime

  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 5,279

    IanB2 said:

    FPT because there are betting implications.

    The Sun tips Michael Gove to replace Dominic Raab as Foreign Secretary, suggesting Boris can sell it to Raab as becoming de facto Deputy PM, and making it harder for Gove to plot against him. Though the Sun also notes that Gove was previously tipped to replace Priti Patel as Home Secretary.
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15994444/michael-gove-tipped-for-job-swap-with-dominic-raab/

    Seems to be a bad fit for Gove
    Because of Gove's aversion to flying? At least he might show up for work occasionally during times of international crisis.
    Because of mankind’s aversion to Gove.

    Is that really the face, voice and defective personality England wants to represent it in the world stage? Really? I think you guys ought to desist with the self-flagellation for a while.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 5,279
    Oh, I see PB’s tank commander has shown up. I’ll leave you guys to it.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 4,654
    edited August 29

    FPT because there are betting implications.

    The Sun tips Michael Gove to replace Dominic Raab as Foreign Secretary, suggesting Boris can sell it to Raab as becoming de facto Deputy PM, and making it harder for Gove to plot against him. Though the Sun also notes that Gove was previously tipped to replace Priti Patel as Home Secretary.
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15994444/michael-gove-tipped-for-job-swap-with-dominic-raab/

    Being Deputy PM (and nothing else) was the kiss of death for Nick Clegg (remember him?)

    And it's a fine bright morning in N Essex and the thermometer has just crawled above 10 C.
    ..but he was a Lib Dem...Willie Whitelaw was Dep PM for 9 yrs? And he wasnt trouble by it nor sacked.

    Everyone needs a Willie...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 90,389
    edited August 29
    tlg86 said:

    Aren’t opinion polls part of the GFA?

    Yes, in NI the Secretary of State must call a border poll if it seems likely that most voting would vote to leave the UK there.

    For example if Nationalist parties won more votes and seats than Unionist parties at Stormont or if polling showed a consistent majority in favour of a united Ireland.

    There is no such provision for Scotland however, so even if the SNP and Greens won every Holyrood seat and Yes was on 100%, the UK government at Westminster could still in theory refuse an indyref2. However Jack set the 60% Yes figure in polls as if almost 2/3 of Scots want independence it would be practically difficult for Westminster to deny an indyref2
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 90,389
    'Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro has said he sees three alternatives for his future: prison, death or victory in next year's presidential election.

    The right-wing populist leader is trailing left-wing former President Luis Inacio Lula da Silva in the polls.'
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-58372754
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 25,144

    FPT because there are betting implications.

    The Sun tips Michael Gove to replace Dominic Raab as Foreign Secretary, suggesting Boris can sell it to Raab as becoming de facto Deputy PM, and making it harder for Gove to plot against him. Though the Sun also notes that Gove was previously tipped to replace Priti Patel as Home Secretary.
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15994444/michael-gove-tipped-for-job-swap-with-dominic-raab/

    Being Deputy PM (and nothing else) was the kiss of death for Nick Clegg (remember him?)

    And it's a fine bright morning in N Essex and the thermometer has just crawled above 10 C.
    ..but he was a Lib Dem...Willie Whitelaw was Dep PM for 9 yrs? And he wasnt trouble by it nor sacked.

    Everyone needs a Willie...
    Note what you post, but isn't that the point. Everyone knew that the PM and her Deputy had heart to heart political chats frequently and, IIRC, that Whitelaw, by then had no further political ambitions. DPM or not Clegg was still, as a Lib Dem, a potential rival to Cameron.
    Being DPM for Raab would mean he was moved away from the centre of politics.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 11,964

    tlg86 said:

    OT another reason for not getting involved in SPotY betting until the shortlist is known – Cristiano Ronaldo now plays for the team whose supporters won SPotY for Ryan Giggs in a year he'd done nothing of importance.

    Ronaldo is Portuguese. And Ryan Giggs won his 11th league title in 2008-09, and I seem to recall he was very good in that season. You could argue Steve Redgrave didn’t do anything special in 2000.
    Ronaldo is Portuguese, yes, and Frankie Dettori is Italian but plies his trade in Britain and came third in 1996 (the year he went through the card at Ascot – his magnificent seven). The point about Giggs is that he received only three votes from people who did not support MUFC. Giggs was nearing retirement and the supporters club campaigned for him. The same supporters who might get behind Ronaldo who is arguably the best player in the world. I do not say it is likely and doubt Ronaldo will be nominated but following his transfer to Manchester United, it is possible.
    Hmm, if Ronaldo is a runner, how about brave Sir Boris? Not only for his muscly physique, but he has another year of success at his unique pentathlon, bullshitting, shagging, sponging, owning the libs and socking it to the elite. He also has an even bigger army of voters and the campaigning record.

    (Well it makes as much sense as Ronaldo).
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 25,144
    HYUFD said:

    tlg86 said:

    Aren’t opinion polls part of the GFA?

    Yes, in NI the Secretary of State must call a border poll if it seems likely that most voting would vote to leave the UK there.

    For example if Nationalist parties won more votes and seats than Unionist parties at Stormont or if polling showed a consistent majority in favour of a united Ireland.

    There is no such provision for Scotland however, so even if the SNP and Greens won every Holyrood seat and Yes was on 100%, the UK government at Westminster could still in theory refuse an indyref2. However Jack set the 60% Yes figure in polls as if almost 2/3 of Scots want independence it would be practically difficult for Westminster to deny an indyref2
    Even if it was more often than 'once in a generation'? You're softening your position. Do I sense a change in policy coming?

    Anyway, shouldn't you be off to Church?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,701

    IanB2 said:

    FPT because there are betting implications.

    The Sun tips Michael Gove to replace Dominic Raab as Foreign Secretary, suggesting Boris can sell it to Raab as becoming de facto Deputy PM, and making it harder for Gove to plot against him. Though the Sun also notes that Gove was previously tipped to replace Priti Patel as Home Secretary.
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15994444/michael-gove-tipped-for-job-swap-with-dominic-raab/

    Seems to be a bad fit for Gove
    Because of Gove's aversion to flying? At least he might show up for work occasionally during times of international crisis.
    Because of mankind’s aversion to Gove.

    Is that really the face, voice and defective personality England wants to represent it in the world stage? Really? I think you guys ought to desist with the self-flagellation for a while.
    You do know there is a reason Michael Gove has a Scottish accent?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,701
    HYUFD said:

    The 60% figure was chosen by the government precisely because there is zero chance of it ever being met. In fact not only is No back ahead in most polls, Yes are not above 50% in any poll since the 2021 Holyrood election, let alone 60%.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_on_Scottish_independence

    So the UK government can and will refuse an indyref2 and as union matters are reserved to Westminster under the Scotland Act 1998 there is nothing the SNP can do about it. Even a wildcat referendum would have no bearing on the union as Westminster could ignore the result as Madrid did with the Catalan wildcat referendum.

    Hence too Sturgeon and the Greens have said they do not want an indyref2 now but within 5 years, which the polling suggests a narrow plurality of Scots favour. Ideally Sturgeon has put the end of 2023 as the time, which conveniently would be past the likely next UK general election date of Spring or Autumn 2023. That is because if Starmer becomes UK PM Sturgeon knows he would be more willing to grant an indyref2 than Boris without a 60% threshold, especially if reliant on SNP confidence and supply.

    So forget about indyref2 before the next UK general election and expect more Nationalist hardliners to move from SNP to Alba in frustration in the meantime

    Isn't it 60 per cent in favour of a referendum, not 60 per cent in favour of independence? David Cameron was in favour of a referendum on leaving the European Union.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,701
    edited August 29

    tlg86 said:

    OT another reason for not getting involved in SPotY betting until the shortlist is known – Cristiano Ronaldo now plays for the team whose supporters won SPotY for Ryan Giggs in a year he'd done nothing of importance.

    Ronaldo is Portuguese. And Ryan Giggs won his 11th league title in 2008-09, and I seem to recall he was very good in that season. You could argue Steve Redgrave didn’t do anything special in 2000.
    Ronaldo is Portuguese, yes, and Frankie Dettori is Italian but plies his trade in Britain and came third in 1996 (the year he went through the card at Ascot – his magnificent seven). The point about Giggs is that he received only three votes from people who did not support MUFC. Giggs was nearing retirement and the supporters club campaigned for him. The same supporters who might get behind Ronaldo who is arguably the best player in the world. I do not say it is likely and doubt Ronaldo will be nominated but following his transfer to Manchester United, it is possible.
    Hmm, if Ronaldo is a runner, how about brave Sir Boris? Not only for his muscly physique, but he has another year of success at his unique pentathlon, bullshitting, shagging, sponging, owning the libs and socking it to the elite. He also has an even bigger army of voters and the campaigning record.

    (Well it makes as much sense as Ronaldo).
    When Ronaldo wins SPotY in 2022... :wink:

    Actually in 2022 it will be Harry Kane after lifting the World Cup. It's coming home...
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 11,964

    tlg86 said:

    OT another reason for not getting involved in SPotY betting until the shortlist is known – Cristiano Ronaldo now plays for the team whose supporters won SPotY for Ryan Giggs in a year he'd done nothing of importance.

    Ronaldo is Portuguese. And Ryan Giggs won his 11th league title in 2008-09, and I seem to recall he was very good in that season. You could argue Steve Redgrave didn’t do anything special in 2000.
    Ronaldo is Portuguese, yes, and Frankie Dettori is Italian but plies his trade in Britain and came third in 1996 (the year he went through the card at Ascot – his magnificent seven). The point about Giggs is that he received only three votes from people who did not support MUFC. Giggs was nearing retirement and the supporters club campaigned for him. The same supporters who might get behind Ronaldo who is arguably the best player in the world. I do not say it is likely and doubt Ronaldo will be nominated but following his transfer to Manchester United, it is possible.
    Hmm, if Ronaldo is a runner, how about brave Sir Boris? Not only for his muscly physique, but he has another year of success at his unique pentathlon, bullshitting, shagging, sponging, owning the libs and socking it to the elite. He also has an even bigger army of voters and the campaigning record.

    (Well it makes as much sense as Ronaldo).
    When Ronaldo wins SPotY in 2022... :wink:

    Actually in 2022 it will be Harry Kane after lifting the World Cup. It's coming home...
    If they use the traditional dates for Spoty 2022 it will be World Cup qf-sf time. Perhaps they will move it to the week between Xmas and New Year.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 11,964

    FPT because there are betting implications.

    The Sun tips Michael Gove to replace Dominic Raab as Foreign Secretary, suggesting Boris can sell it to Raab as becoming de facto Deputy PM, and making it harder for Gove to plot against him. Though the Sun also notes that Gove was previously tipped to replace Priti Patel as Home Secretary.
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15994444/michael-gove-tipped-for-job-swap-with-dominic-raab/

    Being Deputy PM (and nothing else) was the kiss of death for Nick Clegg (remember him?)

    And it's a fine bright morning in N Essex and the thermometer has just crawled above 10 C.
    ..but he was a Lib Dem...Willie Whitelaw was Dep PM for 9 yrs? And he wasnt trouble by it nor sacked.

    Everyone needs a Willie...
    Note what you post, but isn't that the point. Everyone knew that the PM and her Deputy had heart to heart political chats frequently and, IIRC, that Whitelaw, by then had no further political ambitions. DPM or not Clegg was still, as a Lib Dem, a potential rival to Cameron.
    Being DPM for Raab would mean he was moved away from the centre of politics.
    Is there not a good chance that Raab "might not quite understand" this?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,701

    tlg86 said:

    OT another reason for not getting involved in SPotY betting until the shortlist is known – Cristiano Ronaldo now plays for the team whose supporters won SPotY for Ryan Giggs in a year he'd done nothing of importance.

    Ronaldo is Portuguese. And Ryan Giggs won his 11th league title in 2008-09, and I seem to recall he was very good in that season. You could argue Steve Redgrave didn’t do anything special in 2000.
    Ronaldo is Portuguese, yes, and Frankie Dettori is Italian but plies his trade in Britain and came third in 1996 (the year he went through the card at Ascot – his magnificent seven). The point about Giggs is that he received only three votes from people who did not support MUFC. Giggs was nearing retirement and the supporters club campaigned for him. The same supporters who might get behind Ronaldo who is arguably the best player in the world. I do not say it is likely and doubt Ronaldo will be nominated but following his transfer to Manchester United, it is possible.
    Hmm, if Ronaldo is a runner, how about brave Sir Boris? Not only for his muscly physique, but he has another year of success at his unique pentathlon, bullshitting, shagging, sponging, owning the libs and socking it to the elite. He also has an even bigger army of voters and the campaigning record.

    (Well it makes as much sense as Ronaldo).
    When Ronaldo wins SPotY in 2022... :wink:

    Actually in 2022 it will be Harry Kane after lifting the World Cup. It's coming home...
    If they use the traditional dates for Spoty 2022 it will be World Cup qf-sf time. Perhaps they will move it to the week between Xmas and New Year.
    Ah good. That means England will still be in it. :smiley:
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 16,465
    Anyone who gets to a third country and qualifies for the resettlement scheme for former British staff will be offered a free flight to the UK. But the neighbouring countries of Pakistan, Uzbekistan and Tajikistan are reluctant to provide free passage.

    “The Foreign Office failed to roll the pitch with these countries for months,” a minister said. “The PM wanted third countries involved and Raab did nothing. Boris is exasperated that the Foreign Office has not done what he told them. They also took their people out and that cost us several days. I suspect we could have taken out 800 to 1,000 more people if they had not done that.”

    Last night a senior official in the Pakistani government said Raab had shown no interest in talking to them, claiming that he did not make a single phone call to the Afghan or Pakistani foreign ministers in the six months before the crisis. “He just didn’t care,” the official said. “He thought Afghanistan was yesterday’s war and the government was totally focused on Brexit.”


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/afghanistan-blame-game-erupts-as-british-soldiers-fly-home-6b0c2x9tx
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 11,964

    HYUFD said:

    The 60% figure was chosen by the government precisely because there is zero chance of it ever being met. In fact not only is No back ahead in most polls, Yes are not above 50% in any poll since the 2021 Holyrood election, let alone 60%.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_on_Scottish_independence

    So the UK government can and will refuse an indyref2 and as union matters are reserved to Westminster under the Scotland Act 1998 there is nothing the SNP can do about it. Even a wildcat referendum would have no bearing on the union as Westminster could ignore the result as Madrid did with the Catalan wildcat referendum.

    Hence too Sturgeon and the Greens have said they do not want an indyref2 now but within 5 years, which the polling suggests a narrow plurality of Scots favour. Ideally Sturgeon has put the end of 2023 as the time, which conveniently would be past the likely next UK general election date of Spring or Autumn 2023. That is because if Starmer becomes UK PM Sturgeon knows he would be more willing to grant an indyref2 than Boris without a 60% threshold, especially if reliant on SNP confidence and supply.

    So forget about indyref2 before the next UK general election and expect more Nationalist hardliners to move from SNP to Alba in frustration in the meantime

    Isn't it 60 per cent in favour of a referendum, not 60 per cent in favour of independence? David Cameron was in favour of a referendum on leaving the European Union.
    I think for a major constitutional change, the threshold should be 60% per cent sustained AND the government being in favour of said change. (For independence, that is the Scottish govt).

    Cameron and the governing party MPs wanting a referendum but the status quo was a big part of the problem as it meant we did not plan properly and were very divided.

    Obviously coming from Gove and Bozo it is another case of cake-ism, having made so much of 52-48, now demanding 60-40, but I think they are right this time.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 51,940

    HYUFD said:

    The 60% figure was chosen by the government precisely because there is zero chance of it ever being met. In fact not only is No back ahead in most polls, Yes are not above 50% in any poll since the 2021 Holyrood election, let alone 60%.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_on_Scottish_independence

    So the UK government can and will refuse an indyref2 and as union matters are reserved to Westminster under the Scotland Act 1998 there is nothing the SNP can do about it. Even a wildcat referendum would have no bearing on the union as Westminster could ignore the result as Madrid did with the Catalan wildcat referendum.

    Hence too Sturgeon and the Greens have said they do not want an indyref2 now but within 5 years, which the polling suggests a narrow plurality of Scots favour. Ideally Sturgeon has put the end of 2023 as the time, which conveniently would be past the likely next UK general election date of Spring or Autumn 2023. That is because if Starmer becomes UK PM Sturgeon knows he would be more willing to grant an indyref2 than Boris without a 60% threshold, especially if reliant on SNP confidence and supply.

    So forget about indyref2 before the next UK general election and expect more Nationalist hardliners to move from SNP to Alba in frustration in the meantime

    Isn't it 60 per cent in favour of a referendum, not 60 per cent in favour of independence? David Cameron was in favour of a referendum on leaving the European Union.
    Yep - the UK govt position is 60% consistently in favour of referendum. The SNP position reportedly was 60% consistently in favour of independence. So its more than just "one poll over 60%"....
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,701
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 35,915
    HYUFD said:

    'Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro has said he sees three alternatives for his future: prison, death or victory in next year's presidential election.

    The right-wing populist leader is trailing left-wing former President Luis Inacio Lula da Silva in the polls.'
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-58372754

    The arrest bit covers the bit where he loses the election and refuses to leave office.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 97,786
    edited August 29
    tlg86 said:

    Aren’t opinion polls part of the GFA?

    Last year I spoke to someone on this.

    The answer is no.

    What the Secretary of State would consider a trigger point for an Irish unity referendum is if the nationalists/republicans win a majority of seats/votes at Stormont or Westminster.

    Or if in the census there were more Catholics than Protestants.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 51,940
    Guess which scientists?

    Freshers’ week parties could cause huge jump in Covid cases, scientists warn

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2021/aug/28/freshers-week-parties-could-cause-huge-jump-in-covid-cases-scientists-warn

    Two actually, the first of whom is Professor Susan Michie....
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,701
    edited August 29

    tlg86 said:

    Aren’t opinion polls part of the GFA?

    Last year I spoke to someone on this.

    The answer is no.

    What the Secretary of State would consider a trigger point for an Irish unity referendum is if the nationalists/republicans win a majority of seats/votes at Stormont or Westminster.

    Or if in the census there were more Catholics than Protestants.
    Is the government not aware that religion is only approximately aligned with a desire for Dublin rule? Oh hold on, a recent Secretary of State for Northern Ireland did not even know that nationalists and unionists vote differently.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 11,964
    edited August 29

    Guess which scientists?

    Freshers’ week parties could cause huge jump in Covid cases, scientists warn

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2021/aug/28/freshers-week-parties-could-cause-huge-jump-in-covid-cases-scientists-warn

    Two actually, the first of whom is Professor Susan Michie....

    Well it is fairly obvious that a very contagious disease "could" spike after freshers week with lots of social mixing and alcohol? Not sure the credentials or past of a scientist need to be questioned to agree with that statement.

    Of course, what we do about, if anything, is a different and more complicated question.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 858
    On topic: if the SNP keep winning elections in Scotland (and it is quite possible that they will continue to do so for many decades) then should there be an endless conveyor belt of independence referendums as a result? And, if not, is the UK Parliament meant to swing to the other extreme and never permit another one again, or ought it to use some other evidence to assess public opinion and to judge whether or not it's the right time for a rematch - which, after all, if essentially what legislation demands of the Northern Ireland Secretary in respect of a border poll?

    Elsewhere, NZ is still struggling with Delta. The good news is that they may have caught the outbreak in time to stamp it out in most of the country; the bad news is that Auckland might yet go the way of Sydney - the consequences of that likely being continuous hard lockdown into 2022, whilst they sort out their hopeless vaccination drive. Grim.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/29/new-zealand-covid-update-83-new-cases-with-all-but-one-in-auckland
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 15,609

    tlg86 said:

    Aren’t opinion polls part of the GFA?

    Last year I spoke to someone on this.

    The answer is no.

    What the Secretary of State would consider a trigger point for an Irish unity referendum is if the nationalists/republicans win a majority of seats/votes at Stormont or Westminster.

    Or if in the census there were more Catholics than Protestants.
    Whoa, so protestants and non-Christians aren't allowed to support a united Ireland?
  • tlg86 said:

    Aren’t opinion polls part of the GFA?

    Last year I spoke to someone on this.

    The answer is no.

    What the Secretary of State would consider a trigger point for an Irish unity referendum is if the nationalists/republicans win a majority of seats/votes at Stormont or Westminster.

    Or if in the census there were more Catholics than Protestants.
    Is the government not aware that religion is only approximately aligned with a desire for Dublin rule? Oh hold on, a recent Secretary of State for Northern Ireland did not even know that nationalists and unionists voted differently.
    It would be a rough approximation.

    Remember the UK government won’t act arbitrarily. They will discuss it with the guarantors of the GFA, the US and the EU.

    There’s also the awkward discussion to be had about if the ROI would/could take NI back.

    No point holding an Irish unity referendum if Dublin says no ta.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 46,239
    Good morning

    The last 10 days have been a traumatic period for so many, not least our soldiers who are reportedly, in some cases, experiencing PTSD and I know the serious nature of this as my eldest son has been suffering for some years and at 55 is unlikely to work again

    I hope they all receive the mental health care they deserve, and as the last aircraft lands back in the UK with our soldiers I for one just have a huge feeling of relief they are home and that we must never again involve ourselves in foreign wars

    The political fallout is hard to judge but if labour cannot regain a poll lead now, when will they

  • tlg86 said:

    Aren’t opinion polls part of the GFA?

    Last year I spoke to someone on this.

    The answer is no.

    What the Secretary of State would consider a trigger point for an Irish unity referendum is if the nationalists/republicans win a majority of seats/votes at Stormont or Westminster.

    Or if in the census there were more Catholics than Protestants.
    Whoa, so protestants and non-Christians aren't allowed to support a united Ireland?
    No. It is the roughest of approximations.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 10,746
    IanB2 said:

    From the Telegraph, no less:



    How Europe is pulling ahead of Britain in the great Covid race

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/how-europe-is-pulling-ahead-of-britain-in-the-great-covid-race/ar-AANQyMT?ocid=msedgntp

    Europe joined the vaccine race late, but the pace at which jabs have been going into arms in recent months has been staggering. France is now fractionally ahead of us on single jabs, while Finland, Denmark, Ireland, Spain and Portugal now all have a significantly greater proportion of their citizens fully vaccinated.

    Europe has also been quicker to start vaccinating its teenagers. In France, Spain and Italy, more than half of those aged 12 to 18 are already vaccinated, for example.

    First link from Comical Dave to the Telegraph for some time coming Real Soon Now.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 25,144

    Guess which scientists?

    Freshers’ week parties could cause huge jump in Covid cases, scientists warn

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2021/aug/28/freshers-week-parties-could-cause-huge-jump-in-covid-cases-scientists-warn

    Two actually, the first of whom is Professor Susan Michie....

    About (tomorrow) to meet with Grandson Two before he goes off to Uni for the first time in mid Sept.
    Grandparental advice.... avoid Freshers Week parties..... I don't think so. Need to give advice that's likely to be accepted.
    Guardian had a useful one yesterday; never buy a book that you can borrow from the library!
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 34,480

    tlg86 said:

    Aren’t opinion polls part of the GFA?

    Looking it up it says:
    1. The Secretary of State may by order direct the holding of a poll for the purposes of section 1 on a date specified in the order.

    2. Subject to paragraph 3, the Secretary of State shall exercise the power under paragraph 1 if at any time it appears likely to him that a majority of those voting would express a wish that Northern Ireland should cease to be part of the United Kingdom and form part of a united Ireland.

    3. The Secretary of State shall not make an order under paragraph 1 earlier than seven years after the holding of a previous poll under this Schedule.

    https://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users/ireland/today/good_friday/full_text.html
    So it doesn't specifically mention opinion polls, I suppose he could look at the Betfair odds...

    just weaselly bollox from a lickspittle colonial popinjay.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 34,480
    edited August 29

    HYUFD said:

    The 60% figure was chosen by the government precisely because there is zero chance of it ever being met. In fact not only is No back ahead in most polls, Yes are not above 50% in any poll since the 2021 Holyrood election, let alone 60%.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_on_Scottish_independence

    So the UK government can and will refuse an indyref2 and as union matters are reserved to Westminster under the Scotland Act 1998 there is nothing the SNP can do about it. Even a wildcat referendum would have no bearing on the union as Westminster could ignore the result as Madrid did with the Catalan wildcat referendum.

    Hence too Sturgeon and the Greens have said they do not want an indyref2 now but within 5 years, which the polling suggests a narrow plurality of Scots favour. Ideally Sturgeon has put the end of 2023 as the time, which conveniently would be past the likely next UK general election date of Spring or Autumn 2023. That is because if Starmer becomes UK PM Sturgeon knows he would be more willing to grant an indyref2 than Boris without a 60% threshold, especially if reliant on SNP confidence and supply.

    So forget about indyref2 before the next UK general election and expect more Nationalist hardliners to move from SNP to Alba in frustration in the meantime

    Isn't it 60 per cent in favour of a referendum, not 60 per cent in favour of independence? David Cameron was in favour of a referendum on leaving the European Union.
    I think for a major constitutional change, the threshold should be 60% per cent sustained AND the government being in favour of said change. (For independence, that is the Scottish govt).

    Cameron and the governing party MPs wanting a referendum but the status quo was a big part of the problem as it meant we did not plan properly and were very divided.

    Obviously coming from Gove and Bozo it is another case of cake-ism, having made so much of 52-48, now demanding 60-40, but I think they are right this time.
    Yet you are perfectly happy for these arses to wreck the country with a minority of the vote, on your bike.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 34,480

    IanB2 said:

    FPT because there are betting implications.

    The Sun tips Michael Gove to replace Dominic Raab as Foreign Secretary, suggesting Boris can sell it to Raab as becoming de facto Deputy PM, and making it harder for Gove to plot against him. Though the Sun also notes that Gove was previously tipped to replace Priti Patel as Home Secretary.
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15994444/michael-gove-tipped-for-job-swap-with-dominic-raab/

    Seems to be a bad fit for Gove
    Because of Gove's aversion to flying? At least he might show up for work occasionally during times of international crisis.
    Because of mankind’s aversion to Gove.

    Is that really the face, voice and defective personality England wants to represent it in the world stage? Really? I think you guys ought to desist with the self-flagellation for a while.
    You do know there is a reason Michael Gove has a Scottish accent?
    That arse does not have a Scottish accent.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 6,638

    Guess which scientists?

    Freshers’ week parties could cause huge jump in Covid cases, scientists warn

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2021/aug/28/freshers-week-parties-could-cause-huge-jump-in-covid-cases-scientists-warn

    Two actually, the first of whom is Professor Susan Michie....

    It’s the same scientists over and over again.
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 1,821

    IanB2 said:

    FPT because there are betting implications.

    The Sun tips Michael Gove to replace Dominic Raab as Foreign Secretary, suggesting Boris can sell it to Raab as becoming de facto Deputy PM, and making it harder for Gove to plot against him. Though the Sun also notes that Gove was previously tipped to replace Priti Patel as Home Secretary.
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15994444/michael-gove-tipped-for-job-swap-with-dominic-raab/

    Seems to be a bad fit for Gove
    Because of Gove's aversion to flying? At least he might show up for work occasionally during times of international crisis.
    If they watch some old episodes of the A-Team they'll get a few ideas of how to get him to where he needs to be.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 6,638
    Can’t Westminster just pass an act for Scottish Independence now? Devolution doesn’t work, federalism probably won’t work, going beck to the status quo ante 1998 is politically unacceptable which leaves dissolving the Union the only logical next step. It’s a damaging Union for all parties.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 27,519
    Scott_xP said:

    Anyone who gets to a third country and qualifies for the resettlement scheme for former British staff will be offered a free flight to the UK. But the neighbouring countries of Pakistan, Uzbekistan and Tajikistan are reluctant to provide free passage.

    “The Foreign Office failed to roll the pitch with these countries for months,” a minister said. “The PM wanted third countries involved and Raab did nothing. Boris is exasperated that the Foreign Office has not done what he told them. They also took their people out and that cost us several days. I suspect we could have taken out 800 to 1,000 more people if they had not done that.”

    Last night a senior official in the Pakistani government said Raab had shown no interest in talking to them, claiming that he did not make a single phone call to the Afghan or Pakistani foreign ministers in the six months before the crisis. “He just didn’t care,” the official said. “He thought Afghanistan was yesterday’s war and the government was totally focused on Brexit.”


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/afghanistan-blame-game-erupts-as-british-soldiers-fly-home-6b0c2x9tx

    Totally focused on Brexit? That's rather strange considering that we keep being told it is done...
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 27,519

    HYUFD said:

    The 60% figure was chosen by the government precisely because there is zero chance of it ever being met. In fact not only is No back ahead in most polls, Yes are not above 50% in any poll since the 2021 Holyrood election, let alone 60%.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_on_Scottish_independence

    So the UK government can and will refuse an indyref2 and as union matters are reserved to Westminster under the Scotland Act 1998 there is nothing the SNP can do about it. Even a wildcat referendum would have no bearing on the union as Westminster could ignore the result as Madrid did with the Catalan wildcat referendum.

    Hence too Sturgeon and the Greens have said they do not want an indyref2 now but within 5 years, which the polling suggests a narrow plurality of Scots favour. Ideally Sturgeon has put the end of 2023 as the time, which conveniently would be past the likely next UK general election date of Spring or Autumn 2023. That is because if Starmer becomes UK PM Sturgeon knows he would be more willing to grant an indyref2 than Boris without a 60% threshold, especially if reliant on SNP confidence and supply.

    So forget about indyref2 before the next UK general election and expect more Nationalist hardliners to move from SNP to Alba in frustration in the meantime

    Isn't it 60 per cent in favour of a referendum, not 60 per cent in favour of independence? David Cameron was in favour of a referendum on leaving the European Union.
    70% want a referendum on the future of NI it seems.

    https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1431862793360351236?s=19
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 11,964
    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Anyone who gets to a third country and qualifies for the resettlement scheme for former British staff will be offered a free flight to the UK. But the neighbouring countries of Pakistan, Uzbekistan and Tajikistan are reluctant to provide free passage.

    “The Foreign Office failed to roll the pitch with these countries for months,” a minister said. “The PM wanted third countries involved and Raab did nothing. Boris is exasperated that the Foreign Office has not done what he told them. They also took their people out and that cost us several days. I suspect we could have taken out 800 to 1,000 more people if they had not done that.”

    Last night a senior official in the Pakistani government said Raab had shown no interest in talking to them, claiming that he did not make a single phone call to the Afghan or Pakistani foreign ministers in the six months before the crisis. “He just didn’t care,” the official said. “He thought Afghanistan was yesterday’s war and the government was totally focused on Brexit.”


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/afghanistan-blame-game-erupts-as-british-soldiers-fly-home-6b0c2x9tx

    Totally focused on Brexit? That's rather strange considering that we keep being told it is done...
    It will be the corner stone of the next election campaign.
  • TazTaz Posts: 2,459

    Good morning

    The last 10 days have been a traumatic period for so many, not least our soldiers who are reportedly, in some cases, experiencing PTSD and I know the serious nature of this as my eldest son has been suffering for some years and at 55 is unlikely to work again

    I hope they all receive the mental health care they deserve, and as the last aircraft lands back in the UK with our soldiers I for one just have a huge feeling of relief they are home and that we must never again involve ourselves in foreign wars

    The political fallout is hard to judge but if labour cannot regain a poll lead now, when will they

    When Pens’ pets get put to sleep
  • CookieCookie Posts: 4,432
    malcolmg said:

    IanB2 said:

    FPT because there are betting implications.

    The Sun tips Michael Gove to replace Dominic Raab as Foreign Secretary, suggesting Boris can sell it to Raab as becoming de facto Deputy PM, and making it harder for Gove to plot against him. Though the Sun also notes that Gove was previously tipped to replace Priti Patel as Home Secretary.
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15994444/michael-gove-tipped-for-job-swap-with-dominic-raab/

    Seems to be a bad fit for Gove
    Because of Gove's aversion to flying? At least he might show up for work occasionally during times of international crisis.
    Because of mankind’s aversion to Gove.

    Is that really the face, voice and defective personality England wants to represent it in the world stage? Really? I think you guys ought to desist with the self-flagellation for a while.
    You do know there is a reason Michael Gove has a Scottish accent?
    That arse does not have a Scottish accent.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 46,239

    Guess which scientists?

    Freshers’ week parties could cause huge jump in Covid cases, scientists warn

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2021/aug/28/freshers-week-parties-could-cause-huge-jump-in-covid-cases-scientists-warn

    Two actually, the first of whom is Professor Susan Michie....

    About (tomorrow) to meet with Grandson Two before he goes off to Uni for the first time in mid Sept.
    Grandparental advice.... avoid Freshers Week parties..... I don't think so. Need to give advice that's likely to be accepted.
    Guardian had a useful one yesterday; never buy a book that you can borrow from the library!
    My granddaughter is double vaccinated so at least she has a degree of protection when she starts in 2 weeks at Leeds
  • NorthofStokeNorthofStoke Posts: 1,096
    DougSeal said:

    Can’t Westminster just pass an act for Scottish Independence now? Devolution doesn’t work, federalism probably won’t work, going beck to the status quo ante 1998 is politically unacceptable which leaves dissolving the Union the only logical next step. It’s a damaging Union for all parties.

    Federalism might well work.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 57,323
    Mr. Stoke, possibly. I have no faith the politicians won't bugger it up by trying to slice England into pieces, though.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 858
    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    The 60% figure was chosen by the government precisely because there is zero chance of it ever being met. In fact not only is No back ahead in most polls, Yes are not above 50% in any poll since the 2021 Holyrood election, let alone 60%.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_on_Scottish_independence

    So the UK government can and will refuse an indyref2 and as union matters are reserved to Westminster under the Scotland Act 1998 there is nothing the SNP can do about it. Even a wildcat referendum would have no bearing on the union as Westminster could ignore the result as Madrid did with the Catalan wildcat referendum.

    Hence too Sturgeon and the Greens have said they do not want an indyref2 now but within 5 years, which the polling suggests a narrow plurality of Scots favour. Ideally Sturgeon has put the end of 2023 as the time, which conveniently would be past the likely next UK general election date of Spring or Autumn 2023. That is because if Starmer becomes UK PM Sturgeon knows he would be more willing to grant an indyref2 than Boris without a 60% threshold, especially if reliant on SNP confidence and supply.

    So forget about indyref2 before the next UK general election and expect more Nationalist hardliners to move from SNP to Alba in frustration in the meantime

    Isn't it 60 per cent in favour of a referendum, not 60 per cent in favour of independence? David Cameron was in favour of a referendum on leaving the European Union.
    70% want a referendum on the future of NI it seems.

    https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1431862793360351236?s=19
    I read that piece. To paraphrase Saint Augustine, the predominant attitude would appear to be "give us a vote - but not yet."
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 6,638
    malcolmg said:

    IanB2 said:

    FPT because there are betting implications.

    The Sun tips Michael Gove to replace Dominic Raab as Foreign Secretary, suggesting Boris can sell it to Raab as becoming de facto Deputy PM, and making it harder for Gove to plot against him. Though the Sun also notes that Gove was previously tipped to replace Priti Patel as Home Secretary.
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15994444/michael-gove-tipped-for-job-swap-with-dominic-raab/

    Seems to be a bad fit for Gove
    Because of Gove's aversion to flying? At least he might show up for work occasionally during times of international crisis.
    Because of mankind’s aversion to Gove.

    Is that really the face, voice and defective personality England wants to represent it in the world stage? Really? I think you guys ought to desist with the self-flagellation for a while.
    You do know there is a reason Michael Gove has a Scottish accent?
    That arse does not have a Scottish accent.
    The face does though
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 16,465
    Foxy said:

    Totally focused on Brexit? That's rather strange considering that we keep being told it is done...

    :)

    The Daily Mail also want to know why we can't be in the single market...

    https://twitter.com/danielboffey/status/1431873086736019458
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 25,144

    Guess which scientists?

    Freshers’ week parties could cause huge jump in Covid cases, scientists warn

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2021/aug/28/freshers-week-parties-could-cause-huge-jump-in-covid-cases-scientists-warn

    Two actually, the first of whom is Professor Susan Michie....

    About (tomorrow) to meet with Grandson Two before he goes off to Uni for the first time in mid Sept.
    Grandparental advice.... avoid Freshers Week parties..... I don't think so. Need to give advice that's likely to be accepted.
    Guardian had a useful one yesterday; never buy a book that you can borrow from the library!
    My granddaughter is double vaccinated so at least she has a degree of protection when she starts in 2 weeks at Leeds
    Grandson is, too. Started the process as soon as he could.

    Take it you haven't advised your granddaughter to stay away from parties?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 34,480
    Cookie said:

    malcolmg said:

    IanB2 said:

    FPT because there are betting implications.

    The Sun tips Michael Gove to replace Dominic Raab as Foreign Secretary, suggesting Boris can sell it to Raab as becoming de facto Deputy PM, and making it harder for Gove to plot against him. Though the Sun also notes that Gove was previously tipped to replace Priti Patel as Home Secretary.
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15994444/michael-gove-tipped-for-job-swap-with-dominic-raab/

    Seems to be a bad fit for Gove
    Because of Gove's aversion to flying? At least he might show up for work occasionally during times of international crisis.
    Because of mankind’s aversion to Gove.

    Is that really the face, voice and defective personality England wants to represent it in the world stage? Really? I think you guys ought to desist with the self-flagellation for a while.
    You do know there is a reason Michael Gove has a Scottish accent?
    That arse does not have a Scottish accent.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
    more bollox and wikipedia bollox at that, I repeat that arse does not have a Scottish accent. No stranger would ever know he was from Scotland unless he had it stamped on his forehead
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 34,480
    DougSeal said:

    malcolmg said:

    IanB2 said:

    FPT because there are betting implications.

    The Sun tips Michael Gove to replace Dominic Raab as Foreign Secretary, suggesting Boris can sell it to Raab as becoming de facto Deputy PM, and making it harder for Gove to plot against him. Though the Sun also notes that Gove was previously tipped to replace Priti Patel as Home Secretary.
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15994444/michael-gove-tipped-for-job-swap-with-dominic-raab/

    Seems to be a bad fit for Gove
    Because of Gove's aversion to flying? At least he might show up for work occasionally during times of international crisis.
    Because of mankind’s aversion to Gove.

    Is that really the face, voice and defective personality England wants to represent it in the world stage? Really? I think you guys ought to desist with the self-flagellation for a while.
    You do know there is a reason Michael Gove has a Scottish accent?
    That arse does not have a Scottish accent.
    The face does though
    they are interchangeable
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 34,480

    DougSeal said:

    Can’t Westminster just pass an act for Scottish Independence now? Devolution doesn’t work, federalism probably won’t work, going beck to the status quo ante 1998 is politically unacceptable which leaves dissolving the Union the only logical next step. It’s a damaging Union for all parties.

    Federalism might well work.
    LOL
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 57,323
    Mr. G, would've thought a nationalist would be pro-federalism as it's a step further from the status quo towards separation.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 6,638
    malcolmg said:

    DougSeal said:

    malcolmg said:

    IanB2 said:

    FPT because there are betting implications.

    The Sun tips Michael Gove to replace Dominic Raab as Foreign Secretary, suggesting Boris can sell it to Raab as becoming de facto Deputy PM, and making it harder for Gove to plot against him. Though the Sun also notes that Gove was previously tipped to replace Priti Patel as Home Secretary.
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15994444/michael-gove-tipped-for-job-swap-with-dominic-raab/

    Seems to be a bad fit for Gove
    Because of Gove's aversion to flying? At least he might show up for work occasionally during times of international crisis.
    Because of mankind’s aversion to Gove.

    Is that really the face, voice and defective personality England wants to represent it in the world stage? Really? I think you guys ought to desist with the self-flagellation for a while.
    You do know there is a reason Michael Gove has a Scottish accent?
    That arse does not have a Scottish accent.
    The face does though
    they are interchangeable
    I defer to your expertise in the uses of arses and faces.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 34,480

    Mr. G, would've thought a nationalist would be pro-federalism as it's a step further from the status quo towards separation.

    MD it would be same as devolution , we would be bullied by the big boy next door just as we are now. We need to decide our own affairs , England should not be deciding what we can and cannot do.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 6,638
    malcolmg said:

    Cookie said:

    malcolmg said:

    IanB2 said:

    FPT because there are betting implications.

    The Sun tips Michael Gove to replace Dominic Raab as Foreign Secretary, suggesting Boris can sell it to Raab as becoming de facto Deputy PM, and making it harder for Gove to plot against him. Though the Sun also notes that Gove was previously tipped to replace Priti Patel as Home Secretary.
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15994444/michael-gove-tipped-for-job-swap-with-dominic-raab/

    Seems to be a bad fit for Gove
    Because of Gove's aversion to flying? At least he might show up for work occasionally during times of international crisis.
    Because of mankind’s aversion to Gove.

    Is that really the face, voice and defective personality England wants to represent it in the world stage? Really? I think you guys ought to desist with the self-flagellation for a while.
    You do know there is a reason Michael Gove has a Scottish accent?
    That arse does not have a Scottish accent.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
    more bollox and wikipedia bollox at that, I repeat that arse does not have a Scottish accent. No stranger would ever know he was from Scotland unless he had it stamped on his forehead
    I’m a stranger to Scotland and I find his Scottish accents soft but unmistakable. Common to many who have been in England for a while, a bit like my wife sounds American to all non Americans but her compatriots are starting to find her somewhat mid Atlantic
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 34,480
    DougSeal said:

    malcolmg said:

    DougSeal said:

    malcolmg said:

    IanB2 said:

    FPT because there are betting implications.

    The Sun tips Michael Gove to replace Dominic Raab as Foreign Secretary, suggesting Boris can sell it to Raab as becoming de facto Deputy PM, and making it harder for Gove to plot against him. Though the Sun also notes that Gove was previously tipped to replace Priti Patel as Home Secretary.
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15994444/michael-gove-tipped-for-job-swap-with-dominic-raab/

    Seems to be a bad fit for Gove
    Because of Gove's aversion to flying? At least he might show up for work occasionally during times of international crisis.
    Because of mankind’s aversion to Gove.

    Is that really the face, voice and defective personality England wants to represent it in the world stage? Really? I think you guys ought to desist with the self-flagellation for a while.
    You do know there is a reason Michael Gove has a Scottish accent?
    That arse does not have a Scottish accent.
    The face does though
    they are interchangeable
    I defer to your expertise in the uses of arses and faces.
    Time for specsavers I think if you are unable to see the resemblance I am afraid.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 14,026
    Morning all. I'm a long-standing federalist and campaigned in may for the LibDems - a federalist party. I am not a natural supporter of independence. I am though a natural supporter of democracy - you get what you vote for.

    In May Scotland voted on a record turnout and elected a record number of MSPs on an explicit platform for a 2nd referendum. Whatever Alister Jack thinks (or worse his frit keyboard warrior fool from Essicks) is irrelevant - Scotland has spoken.

    The Tories have a track record of abolishing democratic institutions that disagree with them. Thatcher with her huge majority hated that London voted Labour so abolished it. Johnson with his large majority hates that Scotland doesn't love him how he doesn't love them so ignores them. His SofS says the election in May doesn't count, 55% of elected MSPs for a referendum isn't enough now it needs to be 60%

    There is a basic warning to heed. People dislike being told that they voted wrong. Every time a court overturns an election result the following by-election delivers a thumping majority to replace the overturned wafer thin one. Brexit was seen as "rejected" by various parties hence the thumping Tory majority.

    You can ignore the will of the people for only so long. Even I as a new Scot am now tempted to roll the dice as and when a vote eventually happens - we can't trust Westminster. "Why would you think that and leap off into the dark" ask various posters who said we can't trust Brussels and voted for said leap into the dark 5 years ago. What goes around comes around.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 15,454

    Good morning

    The last 10 days have been a traumatic period for so many, not least our soldiers who are reportedly, in some cases, experiencing PTSD and I know the serious nature of this as my eldest son has been suffering for some years and at 55 is unlikely to work again

    I hope they all receive the mental health care they deserve, and as the last aircraft lands back in the UK with our soldiers I for one just have a huge feeling of relief they are home and that we must never again involve ourselves in foreign wars

    The political fallout is hard to judge but if labour cannot regain a poll lead now, when will they

    Quite so re PTSD and the medical support for the services.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 858
    edited August 29

    DougSeal said:

    Can’t Westminster just pass an act for Scottish Independence now? Devolution doesn’t work, federalism probably won’t work, going beck to the status quo ante 1998 is politically unacceptable which leaves dissolving the Union the only logical next step. It’s a damaging Union for all parties.

    Federalism might well work.
    Probably not, and it is unlikely to be tried either. Everyone can appreciate that the devolution settlement is a mess that wholly satisfies almost no-one, but the overriding aim of the pro-Union parties at Westminster is (from their point of view) to avoid making a bad situation even worse.

    The problem with federalism is that you either create an English Parliament - in which case, there's a tremendous risk of an actual ENP emerging and finishing Britain off from the centre - or you try to cut England up into (mostly artificial) regions, which then means that Westminster has a dozen or more constantly aggrieved devolved First Ministers to deal with instead of just three.

    From the point of view of the Unionists, the least worst option is to leave things more-or-less as they are, and to try to make it too scary for voters in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland to leave - primarily by throwing vast amounts of money at them, and therefore inviting them to contemplate how they would cope without it.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 6,638
    malcolmg said:

    DougSeal said:

    malcolmg said:

    DougSeal said:

    malcolmg said:

    IanB2 said:

    FPT because there are betting implications.

    The Sun tips Michael Gove to replace Dominic Raab as Foreign Secretary, suggesting Boris can sell it to Raab as becoming de facto Deputy PM, and making it harder for Gove to plot against him. Though the Sun also notes that Gove was previously tipped to replace Priti Patel as Home Secretary.
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15994444/michael-gove-tipped-for-job-swap-with-dominic-raab/

    Seems to be a bad fit for Gove
    Because of Gove's aversion to flying? At least he might show up for work occasionally during times of international crisis.
    Because of mankind’s aversion to Gove.

    Is that really the face, voice and defective personality England wants to represent it in the world stage? Really? I think you guys ought to desist with the self-flagellation for a while.
    You do know there is a reason Michael Gove has a Scottish accent?
    That arse does not have a Scottish accent.
    The face does though
    they are interchangeable
    I defer to your expertise in the uses of arses and faces.
    Time for specsavers I think if you are unable to see the resemblance I am afraid.
    A revealing comment if there ever was one
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 9,602
    DougSeal said:

    Guess which scientists?

    Freshers’ week parties could cause huge jump in Covid cases, scientists warn

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2021/aug/28/freshers-week-parties-could-cause-huge-jump-in-covid-cases-scientists-warn

    Two actually, the first of whom is Professor Susan Michie....

    It’s the same scientists over and over again.
    It seems highly probable they are right about this, mind. What's the epidemiological difference between a freshers week party, and Boardmasters?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 57,323
    Mr. G, it'd shift more powers towards Scotland and make it easier to say "look, we're pretty much governing ourselves already, so why not do it properly?".

    Mr. Pigeon, don't forget aggravated voters.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 9,602
    Carnyx said:

    Good morning

    The last 10 days have been a traumatic period for so many, not least our soldiers who are reportedly, in some cases, experiencing PTSD and I know the serious nature of this as my eldest son has been suffering for some years and at 55 is unlikely to work again

    I hope they all receive the mental health care they deserve, and as the last aircraft lands back in the UK with our soldiers I for one just have a huge feeling of relief they are home and that we must never again involve ourselves in foreign wars

    The political fallout is hard to judge but if labour cannot regain a poll lead now, when will they

    Quite so re PTSD and the medical support for the services.
    I was inclined to cut Farthing (but not his backers) a lot of slack over possible PTSD. Less so after that transcript.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,701

    Guess which scientists?

    Freshers’ week parties could cause huge jump in Covid cases, scientists warn

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2021/aug/28/freshers-week-parties-could-cause-huge-jump-in-covid-cases-scientists-warn

    Two actually, the first of whom is Professor Susan Michie....

    About (tomorrow) to meet with Grandson Two before he goes off to Uni for the first time in mid Sept.
    Grandparental advice.... avoid Freshers Week parties..... I don't think so. Need to give advice that's likely to be accepted.
    Guardian had a useful one yesterday; never buy a book that you can borrow from the library!
    Did you explain the library is where non-drinkers go in order to download books off the web?

    That if he does not understand something, he should ask his tutor, his mates, or watch a couple of video lectures from other universities?

    We can assume he already knows how to revise with spaced repetition and active recall.

    OK got one. At the start of every module, he should check how it will be examined – essays, MCQs, lab notebooks, thesis, whatever.

    Always take some dirty washing home to mum so she feels appreciated, even if she pretends not to.

    Don't fall behind. Don't join so many clubs there is no time left for study, but on the other hand, always say yes to new experiences.

    And enjoy it. These should be the happiest days of his life.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 27,519

    Good morning

    The last 10 days have been a traumatic period for so many, not least our soldiers who are reportedly, in some cases, experiencing PTSD and I know the serious nature of this as my eldest son has been suffering for some years and at 55 is unlikely to work again

    I hope they all receive the mental health care they deserve, and as the last aircraft lands back in the UK with our soldiers I for one just have a huge feeling of relief they are home and that we must never again involve ourselves in foreign wars

    The political fallout is hard to judge but if labour cannot regain a poll lead now, when will they

    If the forces aren't going to engage in foreign wars, what are they for?

    PTSD in veterans is quite an issue, but mental health services will always be crap. It always has been the cinderella of health care, and always will be.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 34,480
    DougSeal said:

    malcolmg said:

    Cookie said:

    malcolmg said:

    IanB2 said:

    FPT because there are betting implications.

    The Sun tips Michael Gove to replace Dominic Raab as Foreign Secretary, suggesting Boris can sell it to Raab as becoming de facto Deputy PM, and making it harder for Gove to plot against him. Though the Sun also notes that Gove was previously tipped to replace Priti Patel as Home Secretary.
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15994444/michael-gove-tipped-for-job-swap-with-dominic-raab/

    Seems to be a bad fit for Gove
    Because of Gove's aversion to flying? At least he might show up for work occasionally during times of international crisis.
    Because of mankind’s aversion to Gove.

    Is that really the face, voice and defective personality England wants to represent it in the world stage? Really? I think you guys ought to desist with the self-flagellation for a while.
    You do know there is a reason Michael Gove has a Scottish accent?
    That arse does not have a Scottish accent.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
    more bollox and wikipedia bollox at that, I repeat that arse does not have a Scottish accent. No stranger would ever know he was from Scotland unless he had it stamped on his forehead
    I’m a stranger to Scotland and I find his Scottish accents soft but unmistakable. Common to many who have been in England for a while, a bit like my wife sounds American to all non Americans but her compatriots are starting to find her somewhat mid Atlantic
    I see Scottish accents are up their with your other expertise on Scottish matters.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 34,480

    Mr. G, it'd shift more powers towards Scotland and make it easier to say "look, we're pretty much governing ourselves already, so why not do it properly?".

    Mr. Pigeon, don't forget aggravated voters.

    Westminster will not give up any powers , they keep them reserved to themselves. Will never happen.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 34,480
    IshmaelZ said:

    Carnyx said:

    Good morning

    The last 10 days have been a traumatic period for so many, not least our soldiers who are reportedly, in some cases, experiencing PTSD and I know the serious nature of this as my eldest son has been suffering for some years and at 55 is unlikely to work again

    I hope they all receive the mental health care they deserve, and as the last aircraft lands back in the UK with our soldiers I for one just have a huge feeling of relief they are home and that we must never again involve ourselves in foreign wars

    The political fallout is hard to judge but if labour cannot regain a poll lead now, when will they

    Quite so re PTSD and the medical support for the services.
    I was inclined to cut Farthing (but not his backers) a lot of slack over possible PTSD. Less so after that transcript.
    He sounds like a real smug arsehole.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 6,638
    IshmaelZ said:

    DougSeal said:

    Guess which scientists?

    Freshers’ week parties could cause huge jump in Covid cases, scientists warn

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2021/aug/28/freshers-week-parties-could-cause-huge-jump-in-covid-cases-scientists-warn

    Two actually, the first of whom is Professor Susan Michie....

    It’s the same scientists over and over again.
    It seems highly probable they are right about this, mind. What's the epidemiological difference between a freshers week party, and Boardmasters?
    None of the freshers week events I went to were quite as big as Boardmasters IIRC. In any event, cases in England as a whole are falling even after Boardmasters.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 34,480
    DougSeal said:

    malcolmg said:

    DougSeal said:

    malcolmg said:

    DougSeal said:

    malcolmg said:

    IanB2 said:

    FPT because there are betting implications.

    The Sun tips Michael Gove to replace Dominic Raab as Foreign Secretary, suggesting Boris can sell it to Raab as becoming de facto Deputy PM, and making it harder for Gove to plot against him. Though the Sun also notes that Gove was previously tipped to replace Priti Patel as Home Secretary.
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15994444/michael-gove-tipped-for-job-swap-with-dominic-raab/

    Seems to be a bad fit for Gove
    Because of Gove's aversion to flying? At least he might show up for work occasionally during times of international crisis.
    Because of mankind’s aversion to Gove.

    Is that really the face, voice and defective personality England wants to represent it in the world stage? Really? I think you guys ought to desist with the self-flagellation for a while.
    You do know there is a reason Michael Gove has a Scottish accent?
    That arse does not have a Scottish accent.
    The face does though
    they are interchangeable
    I defer to your expertise in the uses of arses and faces.
    Time for specsavers I think if you are unable to see the resemblance I am afraid.
    A revealing comment if there ever was one
    Time to leave , I have better things to do than have you dribbling over every post.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 27,519
    IshmaelZ said:

    Carnyx said:

    Good morning

    The last 10 days have been a traumatic period for so many, not least our soldiers who are reportedly, in some cases, experiencing PTSD and I know the serious nature of this as my eldest son has been suffering for some years and at 55 is unlikely to work again

    I hope they all receive the mental health care they deserve, and as the last aircraft lands back in the UK with our soldiers I for one just have a huge feeling of relief they are home and that we must never again involve ourselves in foreign wars

    The political fallout is hard to judge but if labour cannot regain a poll lead now, when will they

    Quite so re PTSD and the medical support for the services.
    I was inclined to cut Farthing (but not his backers) a lot of slack over possible PTSD. Less so after that transcript.
    Aggressive outbursts are part of PTSD, and I wouldn't expect squaddies and bootnecks with PTSD to be cuddly.
  • eekeek Posts: 15,746
    How is using the criteria of opinion polls any different from the triggers required for a Ireland border poll?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 6,638
    malcolmg said:

    DougSeal said:

    malcolmg said:

    DougSeal said:

    malcolmg said:

    DougSeal said:

    malcolmg said:

    IanB2 said:

    FPT because there are betting implications.

    The Sun tips Michael Gove to replace Dominic Raab as Foreign Secretary, suggesting Boris can sell it to Raab as becoming de facto Deputy PM, and making it harder for Gove to plot against him. Though the Sun also notes that Gove was previously tipped to replace Priti Patel as Home Secretary.
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15994444/michael-gove-tipped-for-job-swap-with-dominic-raab/

    Seems to be a bad fit for Gove
    Because of Gove's aversion to flying? At least he might show up for work occasionally during times of international crisis.
    Because of mankind’s aversion to Gove.

    Is that really the face, voice and defective personality England wants to represent it in the world stage? Really? I think you guys ought to desist with the self-flagellation for a while.
    You do know there is a reason Michael Gove has a Scottish accent?
    That arse does not have a Scottish accent.
    The face does though
    they are interchangeable
    I defer to your expertise in the uses of arses and faces.
    Time for specsavers I think if you are unable to see the resemblance I am afraid.
    A revealing comment if there ever was one
    Time to leave , I have better things to do than have you dribbling over every post.
    Before you go, can you “unlike” the post of mine you liked earlier? It’s a bit embarrassing. Ta.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 5,624
    Cookie said:

    malcolmg said:

    IanB2 said:

    FPT because there are betting implications.

    The Sun tips Michael Gove to replace Dominic Raab as Foreign Secretary, suggesting Boris can sell it to Raab as becoming de facto Deputy PM, and making it harder for Gove to plot against him. Though the Sun also notes that Gove was previously tipped to replace Priti Patel as Home Secretary.
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15994444/michael-gove-tipped-for-job-swap-with-dominic-raab/

    Seems to be a bad fit for Gove
    Because of Gove's aversion to flying? At least he might show up for work occasionally during times of international crisis.
    Because of mankind’s aversion to Gove.

    Is that really the face, voice and defective personality England wants to represent it in the world stage? Really? I think you guys ought to desist with the self-flagellation for a while.
    You do know there is a reason Michael Gove has a Scottish accent?
    That arse does not have a Scottish accent.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
    I shared a taxi with Antony Flew In 1963. No true Scotsman he.

  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 6,638
    malcolmg said:

    DougSeal said:

    malcolmg said:

    Cookie said:

    malcolmg said:

    IanB2 said:

    FPT because there are betting implications.

    The Sun tips Michael Gove to replace Dominic Raab as Foreign Secretary, suggesting Boris can sell it to Raab as becoming de facto Deputy PM, and making it harder for Gove to plot against him. Though the Sun also notes that Gove was previously tipped to replace Priti Patel as Home Secretary.
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15994444/michael-gove-tipped-for-job-swap-with-dominic-raab/

    Seems to be a bad fit for Gove
    Because of Gove's aversion to flying? At least he might show up for work occasionally during times of international crisis.
    Because of mankind’s aversion to Gove.

    Is that really the face, voice and defective personality England wants to represent it in the world stage? Really? I think you guys ought to desist with the self-flagellation for a while.
    You do know there is a reason Michael Gove has a Scottish accent?
    That arse does not have a Scottish accent.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
    more bollox and wikipedia bollox at that, I repeat that arse does not have a Scottish accent. No stranger would ever know he was from Scotland unless he had it stamped on his forehead
    I’m a stranger to Scotland and I find his Scottish accents soft but unmistakable. Common to many who have been in England for a while, a bit like my wife sounds American to all non Americans but her compatriots are starting to find her somewhat mid Atlantic
    I see Scottish accents are up their with your other expertise on Scottish matters.
    I know sod all about Scotland and have never claimed otherwise. I do know a bit about accents though.
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