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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,235

    MaxPB said:

    This is completely insane. It's been suggested that people can do regular antibody tests instead of getting a third dose. What a waste of everyone's time and money. Just start giving them out you idiots. We have them and people want them. Fucking get on with it.

    If the government don't roll out a comprehensive booster programme, forget criticism over why somebody didn't make a phone call while on holiday, every death of a grannie will be met with they would have been alive if they got their booster...
    Quite. At the least I’d like to know why not, and see minutes from meetings. Adam Finn seems to be a big vote against. No idea why.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,293
    Pagan2 said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TimT said:

    DougSeal said:

    Charles said:

    DougSeal said:

    @PoliticsForAlI
    NEW: Downing Street do not believe Boris Johnson broke the ministerial code by using taxpayers money to jet to Hartlepool to campaign for the Tories, as they say the PM can use his official cars for whatever, despite a car not being a plane

    Via
    @BusinessInsider

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1429824009911349253

    Have you ever seen a Bristol?
    Bit of a personal question TBH
    There used to be a showroom in Kensington when I first moved to London. Holland Road is what the inter web thingy is telling me, although for some reason I remember it as being on Piccadilly.

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bristol_Cars_showroom_Kensington_High_Street.jpg
    It closed a couple of years ago sadly. Opposite the entrance to Warwick Avenue on KHS
    HSK Charles, HSK.
    Not to locals
    Yes to locals (of which I was one for many years). No one says KSH.
    Of course not.

    They say Ken High Street.
    NO THEY DON'T.

    They say High Street Ken. That is just what they say. Ken High Street is not something anyone says.
    To reiterate in case you ( @Charles ) thought I was meaning the initials: for out-of-towners and others types it is whatever they want. For locals it is High Street Ken. Always has been High Street Ken and always will be High Street Ken. Until High Street Ken is taken over by out of towners and denizens of No. 1 Hyde Park and ne'er do wells in which case it will probably become something ghastly like Ken High Street.
    You're right. I was a young northern oik - as opposed to an old one - when I lived there and I called it Ken High Street. So that must be bad and wrong. Explains some of the muted reaction of the high born locals to my eager overtures back then.
    You are not an old northern oik that is ridiculous. 61 is hardly old.
    Physical age and mental age are not the same you can be positively decrepit mentally age wise at 61
    Well until enlightened many people on here (eg you) thought I was 25 so I know I come over all vibrant and fresh.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited August 2021

    MaxPB said:

    This is completely insane. It's been suggested that people can do regular antibody tests instead of getting a third dose. What a waste of everyone's time and money. Just start giving them out you idiots. We have them and people want them. Fucking get on with it.

    If the government don't roll out a comprehensive booster programme, forget criticism over why somebody didn't make a phone call while on holiday, every death of a grannie will be met with they would have been alive if they got their booster...
    Quite. At the least I’d like to know why not, and see minutes from meetings. Adam Finn seems to be a big vote against. No idea why.
    In Finn's case he has made it clear, its idealogically based, he wants the world to get these doses instead of the UK, which isn't his remit.

    Javid needs to tell them to shit or get off the pot.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,856

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Sleazy Tories on the slide....

    Westminster Voting Intention (23 Aug):

    Conservative 43% (+3)
    Labour 33% (-3)
    Liberal Democrat 10% (–)
    Green 6% (+1)
    Scottish National Party 3% (-2)
    Reform UK 3% (–)
    Other 1% (-1)

    Changes +/- 16 Aug


    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1429835827379589129?s=20

    10 points and SNP down 3% (-2)

    Is the deal with the Green a SNP mistake



    What, as big a mistake as voting against BJ's Brexit deal? Surely not!
    Why did the SNP do it, tho? It is a genuine puzzle, and to non-Scots this Green Coalition has the whiff of an error

    I am sure there is some clever strategic reasoning, known only to Hollyrood-watchers, but I'd like to know what it is
    I saw the co-leader of the Scottish Greens on the telly the other day. I think he is competing with Boris Johnson for the title of most ludicrous clown in public office in the UK.
    He is doing better than the LDs in Scotland. Or at least he gets half the credit for doing better than them.
    Clearly having clowns in government is a "thing" north of the border as well as south. Perhaps we should have Mr. Bean as head of state.
    There was a time when the Royal Family seemed to be fulfilling that role. I seem to remember a certain It's a Knockout programme on BBC.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,856
    edited August 2021
    Pagan2 said:

    theProle said:

    I see that the utter, unmitigated lunacy of requiring new 'UKCA' certification, and not recognising CE marks, has been postponed for a full year:

    https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1429844646088282120

    Let's hope some vague semblance of sanity leaks in to government during that time and that we abandon the entire brain-dead idea of UKCA - a remarkable example of a policy with not a single merit and with massive demerits, both for our manufacturers (for whom it's just extra, completely pointless, red tape) and for consumers (for whom it will reduce choice and increase costs).

    Its not lunacy. A lot of CE marks are buearcratic and hard to obtain, whilst also often failing to achieve what is intended. This is particularly true if you ever have to implement one in France, but it was getting that way in the UK too.

    Certainly in my industry (I'm on the committee which develops all the guidance for my sector) quite a lot of people are cautiously optimistic about the possibility of divergence in sensible directions, now we'll have a governing body which is actually in reach.

    I'm still doing EU work too - my usual Notified Body has set up a brass plate in Dublin, and changed me one off costs of about £600 to duel certificate our key paperwork, which whilst a little irritating (given its only going through the photocopier) is hardly a kings ransom.
    That makes no sense. I can see an argument (you could call it 'Global Britain') for accepting CE marks AND other quality marks, which could even include our own, although we're really too small to have our own certification scheme. But there is zero, precisely zero, reason not to accept CE marks. It's just utter lunacy. It means any UK manufacturer has to get double certification if it has even the slightest wish to export, it means many international suppliers simply won't bother with the UK at all, or if they do will limit the UKCA applications to just a few product lines, which is bad for consumers, and it means UK manufacturers dependent on parts in their supply chain where the supplier can't be bothered to get UKCA certification are completely stuffed.

    And what for? What exactly are the undesirable EU products we're trying to keep out?
    The French?
    Not sure the french ever got a ce mark, where would it be branded
    Au cul, bien sur.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,728
    Andy_JS said:

    It's confusing for outsiders because the tube station is "High Street Kensington" and the official name of the road is "Kensington High Street".

    In all the long history of PB, has there been a more pointless argument than this?

    Silly season rules OK!
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,480

    Leon said:

    This is getting to the point where I have to ask what the **** is going on with the polling.
    Maybe the public are not on twitter nor may I suggest this excellent forum

    And maybe Labour overplayed the Raab story
    The Raab story was always puffed up nonsense. MINISTER DOES NOT MAKE PHONE CALL WHILE ON HOLIDAY

    No one gives a fuck, apart from frantic Remoaners and the Daily Mail. Also it was entirely overshadowed by the horror of Kabul - which IS an enormous story - I've had non-political friends mention it unprompted. They are angry at Biden

    The Afghani story has cut through like few others, but it's probably neutral in UK terms
    Can you give the source of your "No one gives a fuck." assertion. "Frantic remoaners and the Daily Mail" seems to cover a large section of the population.
    I think Leon is in denial about how shit this government led by Johnson actually is, and their part in the Afghan debacle. One of the reasons it has happened is because we have massively lost influence with the Americans, and that is because we have a clown for PM. I cannot imagine this happening if Mrs T or Tony Blair had been in No10.

    The cost of having Boris Johnson as PM continues to be a very high one.
    Our influence over the Americans has been pretty small ever since I can remember.

    Barack Obama, for one, famously treated Gordon Brown with utter contempt.

    And I can't believe that Boris has less influence over his American counterpart than the alternative in 2019 would have had. Nor can I believe that Boris has less influence than SKS would have.

    I wouldn't go as far as Leon in claiming that no-one gives a fuck, but this is definitely an issue in which establishment opinion differs from mainstream opinion - both in the UK and the USA. Mainstream opinion is of the view however badly the withdrawal has been managed, we shouldn't be there anyway.

    I'm not necessarily identifying with mainstream opinion here - even after 20 years I'm firmly in the 'don't know' camp. But I am sure that America will do what it wants, and with America taking the path it has that the UK is firmly at the mercy of events.

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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,778
    edited August 2021
    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    One half-decent poll and the mood changes....

    The only thing more daft is trying to use rolling polls as part of an average - it's almost as if someone desperately wants the Conservatives to overtake the Liberals and win in Canada...

    Before Canada or even Germany vote, we have Norway which goes to the polls on the 13th September so just three weeks away.

    The latest Kantar poll (changes from the last election):

    Labour: 22.7% (-4.7)
    Conservatives: 19.7 (-5.3)
    Centre Party: 13% (+2.7)
    Socialist Left: 9.5% (+3.5)
    Progress Party: 9.3% (-5.9)
    Red Party: 5.9% (+3.5)
    Greens: 5.1% (+1.9)
    Liberal Party: 4.4% (nc)

    The more significant is between the "Red" and "Blue" blocs (the centre-left and centre-right coalitions of parties). At the last election to the Storting in 2017, the Blue bloc won 49-46 but the Red bloc now leads 51-37.which I maike an 8.5% swing to the centre-left. It does look on the above numbers there has been a significant shift to the Left in Norway.

    HYUFD accused me of being boring a few weeks ago for posting a Norwegian opinion poll. 😊
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949
    The pollster who had the SPD tied with the Union on 22% has a new poll...tied on 23% each.

    https://twitter.com/Wahlrecht_de/status/1429868492317134857
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,235

    MaxPB said:

    This is completely insane. It's been suggested that people can do regular antibody tests instead of getting a third dose. What a waste of everyone's time and money. Just start giving them out you idiots. We have them and people want them. Fucking get on with it.

    If the government don't roll out a comprehensive booster programme, forget criticism over why somebody didn't make a phone call while on holiday, every death of a grannie will be met with they would have been alive if they got their booster...
    Quite. At the least I’d like to know why not, and see minutes from meetings. Adam Finn seems to be a big vote against. No idea why.
    In Finn's case he has made it clear, its idealogically based, he wants the world to get these doses instead of the UK, which isn't his remit.

    Javid needs to tell them to shit or get off the pot.
    Totally agree. That’s not his job, his job relates to U.K. health.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,370
    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    It's confusing for outsiders because the tube station is "High Street Kensington" and the official name of the road is "Kensington High Street".

    In all the long history of PB, has there been a more pointless argument than this?

    Silly season rules OK!
    We can go back to discussing how crap the NHS is if you prefer.
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    BBC News - Boardmasters: 4,700 Covid cases 'may be linked' to Newquay festival
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-58309660
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,216
    Carnyx said:


    There was a time when the Royal Family seemed to be fulfilling that role. I seem to remember a certain It's a Knockout programme on BBC.

    I'm sure Andrew and Stuart Hall got on like a house on fire.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,370

    BBC News - Boardmasters: 4,700 Covid cases 'may be linked' to Newquay festival
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-58309660

    So what?
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,293
    edited August 2021
    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TimT said:

    DougSeal said:

    Charles said:

    DougSeal said:

    @PoliticsForAlI
    NEW: Downing Street do not believe Boris Johnson broke the ministerial code by using taxpayers money to jet to Hartlepool to campaign for the Tories, as they say the PM can use his official cars for whatever, despite a car not being a plane

    Via
    @BusinessInsider

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1429824009911349253

    Have you ever seen a Bristol?
    Bit of a personal question TBH
    There used to be a showroom in Kensington when I first moved to London. Holland Road is what the inter web thingy is telling me, although for some reason I remember it as being on Piccadilly.

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bristol_Cars_showroom_Kensington_High_Street.jpg
    It closed a couple of years ago sadly. Opposite the entrance to Warwick Avenue on KHS
    HSK Charles, HSK.
    Not to locals
    Yes to locals (of which I was one for many years). No one says KSH.
    Of course not.

    They say Ken High Street.
    NO THEY DON'T.

    They say High Street Ken. That is just what they say. Ken High Street is not something anyone says.
    To reiterate in case you ( @Charles ) thought I was meaning the initials: for out-of-towners and others types it is whatever they want. For locals it is High Street Ken. Always has been High Street Ken and always will be High Street Ken. Until High Street Ken is taken over by out of towners and denizens of No. 1 Hyde Park and ne'er do wells in which case it will probably become something ghastly like Ken High Street.
    You're right. I was a young northern oik - as opposed to an old one - when I lived there and I called it Ken High Street. So that must be bad and wrong. Explains some of the muted reaction of the high born locals to my eager overtures back then.
    You are not an old northern oik that is ridiculous. 61 is hardly old.
    Ho ho. Seriously, though, it feels it. Age is not just a number. And even more seriously, re HSK vs KHS, it's clearly a class issue. You and your type say HSK, whereas me and my type say KHS. It's a marker. A tell. Like when you have fish for tea and use a special knife with special handles.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,377
    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TimT said:

    DougSeal said:

    Charles said:

    DougSeal said:

    @PoliticsForAlI
    NEW: Downing Street do not believe Boris Johnson broke the ministerial code by using taxpayers money to jet to Hartlepool to campaign for the Tories, as they say the PM can use his official cars for whatever, despite a car not being a plane

    Via
    @BusinessInsider

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1429824009911349253

    Have you ever seen a Bristol?
    Bit of a personal question TBH
    There used to be a showroom in Kensington when I first moved to London. Holland Road is what the inter web thingy is telling me, although for some reason I remember it as being on Piccadilly.

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bristol_Cars_showroom_Kensington_High_Street.jpg
    It closed a couple of years ago sadly. Opposite the entrance to Warwick Avenue on KHS
    HSK Charles, HSK.
    Not to locals
    Yes to locals (of which I was one for many years). No one says KSH.
    Of course not.

    They say Ken High Street.
    NO THEY DON'T.

    They say High Street Ken. That is just what they say. Ken High Street is not something anyone says.
    I've heard both, TBH, and used by locals
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    I am surprised how little coverage last night's ch4 documentary on covid origins has got. There wasn't anything new for those that read too much on this i.e. i knew about the seeker, about gain of function research being done at L2....but it hasn't been brought together like that in the UK mainstream media.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,778
    edited August 2021
    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TimT said:

    DougSeal said:

    Charles said:

    DougSeal said:

    @PoliticsForAlI
    NEW: Downing Street do not believe Boris Johnson broke the ministerial code by using taxpayers money to jet to Hartlepool to campaign for the Tories, as they say the PM can use his official cars for whatever, despite a car not being a plane

    Via
    @BusinessInsider

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1429824009911349253

    Have you ever seen a Bristol?
    Bit of a personal question TBH
    There used to be a showroom in Kensington when I first moved to London. Holland Road is what the inter web thingy is telling me, although for some reason I remember it as being on Piccadilly.

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bristol_Cars_showroom_Kensington_High_Street.jpg
    It closed a couple of years ago sadly. Opposite the entrance to Warwick Avenue on KHS
    HSK Charles, HSK.
    Not to locals
    Yes to locals (of which I was one for many years). No one says KSH.
    Of course not.

    They say Ken High Street.
    NO THEY DON'T.

    They say High Street Ken. That is just what they say. Ken High Street is not something anyone says.
    I've heard both, TBH, and used by locals
    Funny the things people get snobby about in London. The correct pronunciation of Marylebone is another one.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited August 2021
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    75 doctors in South Florida walkout in protest as their hospital is flooded with unvaccinated people who got COVID. #MorningJoe

    I fond i may have miscalculated woth Floroda. I thought thry jaf one more doubling "baked in" to their death fofures given current cases and lag between cases falling and deaths falling but if I read the data right they have two doublings locked in.

    That would take them to a mind bending 600 deaths a day, the UK equivalent of ~1900 deaths a day.
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    BBC News - Boardmasters: 4,700 Covid cases 'may be linked' to Newquay festival
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-58309660

    Later - head of Catholic Church’s faith clarifed. Ursine defecation near large angiosperms observed...
    I usually picture the bears shitting under conifers, which are gymnosperms.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,377
    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    This is getting to the point where I have to ask what the **** is going on with the polling.
    Maybe the public are not on twitter nor may I suggest this excellent forum

    And maybe Labour overplayed the Raab story
    The Raab story was always puffed up nonsense. MINISTER DOES NOT MAKE PHONE CALL WHILE ON HOLIDAY

    No one gives a fuck, apart from frantic Remoaners and the Daily Mail. Also it was entirely overshadowed by the horror of Kabul - which IS an enormous story - I've had non-political friends mention it unprompted. They are angry at Biden

    The Afghani story has cut through like few others, but it's probably neutral in UK terms
    Can you give the source of your "No one gives a fuck." assertion. "Frantic remoaners and the Daily Mail" seems to cover a large section of the population.
    I think Leon is in denial about how shit this government led by Johnson actually is, and their part in the Afghan debacle. One of the reasons it has happened is because we have massively lost influence with the Americans, and that is because we have a clown for PM. I cannot imagine this happening if Mrs T or Tony Blair had been in No10.

    The cost of having Boris Johnson as PM continues to be a very high one.
    Our influence over the Americans has been pretty small ever since I can remember.

    Barack Obama, for one, famously treated Gordon Brown with utter contempt.

    And I can't believe that Boris has less influence over his American counterpart than the alternative in 2019 would have had. Nor can I believe that Boris has less influence than SKS would have.

    I wouldn't go as far as Leon in claiming that no-one gives a fuck, but this is definitely an issue in which establishment opinion differs from mainstream opinion - both in the UK and the USA. Mainstream opinion is of the view however badly the withdrawal has been managed, we shouldn't be there anyway.

    I'm not necessarily identifying with mainstream opinion here - even after 20 years I'm firmly in the 'don't know' camp. But I am sure that America will do what it wants, and with America taking the path it has that the UK is firmly at the mercy of events.

    I meant no one gives a fuck about Raab's missing phone call

    People care deeply about Afghanistan
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,480
    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    This is getting to the point where I have to ask what the **** is going on with the polling.
    Its fairly straightforward isnt it? Tories are stuck on 40-44 range, which is the bulk of the Brexit vote. Labour vs minor parties a bit more unpredictable but still fairly steady. Until about a quarter or more Brexiteers think Brexit is either a failure or in the past, the Tories are in a very healthy polling scenario, regardless of their performance on anything else.
    This is the nightmare scenario. The Brexit vote stays with the Tories and Remainers neither unite under Labour nor vote tactically enough to combat this. Upshot under FPTP is Con majority government.
    If the Brexit vote - all 52% of it - were to stay with the Tories, no amount of tactical voting could defeat it.
    Tactical voting isn't the answer. Providing a more appealing offer is.
    I don't mean all just most of it. Add in your Remainer or Brexitnostic types who are nevertheless firm Cons - think Felix, Big G, HYUFD, these sorts of stubborn philosophies - and that's your 40 odd. Yes, a better offer will help, course it will, but on top of that there HAS to be some smart and extensive tactical anti-Con voting. If not it's curtains. Our future is more Johnson. Lots more.
    But if, as you were suggesting, we start with the Brexit/Remain blocs, going for tactical voting among Remainers is a fools errand, because there are fewer of them, and they can be out-tactical-voted. You can run a niche political party on the basis of the losing side of a referendum (though it worked out poorly for the Lib Dems), but to try to for a government by trying to unite the votes of all remainers risks pushing all leavers towards the Conservatives.
    And there are more leavers. And leavers are much better distributed.
    Tactically, you need to try to put the referendum behind you.
    Is exactly what Starmer's Labour are doing. Brexit has happened. It's done. More than this, it's always been done, so don't even mention the 2016 referendum, no good can come of it. I'm not mad on this myself but I'm prepared to see it as being the best strategy for now. Even the biggest sunniest optimist in me, however, cannot see any way on earth that this Con majority can be removed at the next election without a lot of Lab/Lib tactical voting. And like it or not it will be almost exclusively Remainers doing this.
    Yes, credit to SKS, that seems to be the approach. Bought in to to a greater or lesser degree by his party.

    But what I think you are arguing for is for Remainers to vote tactically, but to do this without bringing up Brexit. This strikes me as an impossible balance to strike. More impossible, in fact, than coming up with a political offer equivalently attractive to Blair 97, or at least Wilson 64.
    The degree of swing needed is discouraging, but we are no longer in an era of loyal voters. All votes are up for grabs every time. The chance of a massive swing should not be discounted. If Labour can get the offer right.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,277
    TOPPING said:

    BBC News - Boardmasters: 4,700 Covid cases 'may be linked' to Newquay festival
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-58309660

    So what?
    I can't remember where on Twitter I read this, but apparently the young people were cramming into small tents to smoke stuff and there was a mosh pit, there was sharing of vape pipes and some people were even snogging.

    I am shocked, I tell you, shocked, to find covid going on in this establishment.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,377
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TimT said:

    DougSeal said:

    Charles said:

    DougSeal said:

    @PoliticsForAlI
    NEW: Downing Street do not believe Boris Johnson broke the ministerial code by using taxpayers money to jet to Hartlepool to campaign for the Tories, as they say the PM can use his official cars for whatever, despite a car not being a plane

    Via
    @BusinessInsider

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1429824009911349253

    Have you ever seen a Bristol?
    Bit of a personal question TBH
    There used to be a showroom in Kensington when I first moved to London. Holland Road is what the inter web thingy is telling me, although for some reason I remember it as being on Piccadilly.

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bristol_Cars_showroom_Kensington_High_Street.jpg
    It closed a couple of years ago sadly. Opposite the entrance to Warwick Avenue on KHS
    HSK Charles, HSK.
    Not to locals
    Yes to locals (of which I was one for many years). No one says KSH.
    Of course not.

    They say Ken High Street.
    NO THEY DON'T.

    They say High Street Ken. That is just what they say. Ken High Street is not something anyone says.
    I've heard both, TBH, and used by locals
    Funny the things people get snobby about in London.
    I've got a friend who actually lives on Ken High Street who calls it

    "Street Street Ken Street Kenny-Ken High High"

    Which is not only insane, but takes about an hour. Conversations about his neighbourhood are wearisome
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,370
    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TimT said:

    DougSeal said:

    Charles said:

    DougSeal said:

    @PoliticsForAlI
    NEW: Downing Street do not believe Boris Johnson broke the ministerial code by using taxpayers money to jet to Hartlepool to campaign for the Tories, as they say the PM can use his official cars for whatever, despite a car not being a plane

    Via
    @BusinessInsider

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1429824009911349253

    Have you ever seen a Bristol?
    Bit of a personal question TBH
    There used to be a showroom in Kensington when I first moved to London. Holland Road is what the inter web thingy is telling me, although for some reason I remember it as being on Piccadilly.

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bristol_Cars_showroom_Kensington_High_Street.jpg
    It closed a couple of years ago sadly. Opposite the entrance to Warwick Avenue on KHS
    HSK Charles, HSK.
    Not to locals
    Yes to locals (of which I was one for many years). No one says KSH.
    Of course not.

    They say Ken High Street.
    NO THEY DON'T.

    They say High Street Ken. That is just what they say. Ken High Street is not something anyone says.
    I've heard both, TBH, and used by locals
    Always good to get the view of a South Western North Londoner.
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    TimTTimT Posts: 6,328
    TOPPING said:

    BBC News - Boardmasters: 4,700 Covid cases 'may be linked' to Newquay festival
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-58309660

    So what?
    I hate clarion headlines with the word 'may' in them. Moon may fall into earth.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,277

    Carnyx said:


    There was a time when the Royal Family seemed to be fulfilling that role. I seem to remember a certain It's a Knockout programme on BBC.

    I'm sure Andrew and Stuart Hall got on like a house on fire.
    Jeez, I am way too much of a political anorak - when I first glanced at that sentence I thought you meant the old Marxism Today editor!
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    JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,015
    Andy_JS said:

    It's confusing for outsiders because the tube station is "High Street Kensington" and the official name of the road is "Kensington High Street".

    The tube station predates the renaming of roads in the London postcode area to remove duplicates. High Streets as Broadways became eg Kensington High Street and Stratford Broadway. Before that, the road was just called High Street. Just as Kensington Church Street round the corner was just called Church Street. I call the station and the general area High Street Ken.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,728
    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TimT said:

    DougSeal said:

    Charles said:

    DougSeal said:

    @PoliticsForAlI
    NEW: Downing Street do not believe Boris Johnson broke the ministerial code by using taxpayers money to jet to Hartlepool to campaign for the Tories, as they say the PM can use his official cars for whatever, despite a car not being a plane

    Via
    @BusinessInsider

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1429824009911349253

    Have you ever seen a Bristol?
    Bit of a personal question TBH
    There used to be a showroom in Kensington when I first moved to London. Holland Road is what the inter web thingy is telling me, although for some reason I remember it as being on Piccadilly.

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bristol_Cars_showroom_Kensington_High_Street.jpg
    It closed a couple of years ago sadly. Opposite the entrance to Warwick Avenue on KHS
    HSK Charles, HSK.
    Not to locals
    Yes to locals (of which I was one for many years). No one says KSH.
    Of course not.

    They say Ken High Street.
    NO THEY DON'T.

    They say High Street Ken. That is just what they say. Ken High Street is not something anyone says.
    I've heard both, TBH, and used by locals
    While we are on this fascinating discussion, does anyone know why in Ireland it is always County Cork rather than Cork County?
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,377
    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TimT said:

    DougSeal said:

    Charles said:

    DougSeal said:

    @PoliticsForAlI
    NEW: Downing Street do not believe Boris Johnson broke the ministerial code by using taxpayers money to jet to Hartlepool to campaign for the Tories, as they say the PM can use his official cars for whatever, despite a car not being a plane

    Via
    @BusinessInsider

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1429824009911349253

    Have you ever seen a Bristol?
    Bit of a personal question TBH
    There used to be a showroom in Kensington when I first moved to London. Holland Road is what the inter web thingy is telling me, although for some reason I remember it as being on Piccadilly.

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bristol_Cars_showroom_Kensington_High_Street.jpg
    It closed a couple of years ago sadly. Opposite the entrance to Warwick Avenue on KHS
    HSK Charles, HSK.
    Not to locals
    Yes to locals (of which I was one for many years). No one says KSH.
    Of course not.

    They say Ken High Street.
    NO THEY DON'T.

    They say High Street Ken. That is just what they say. Ken High Street is not something anyone says.
    I've heard both, TBH, and used by locals
    Always good to get the view of a South Western North Londoner.
    Don't get me on to Ken Church St

    In the Churchill Arms they regularly call it Streety-Street Kenster Church Kenniffer Churchy Streeto-Street Kenkennikens Kenkennikens Ken Ken Cheroo Street
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,897
    edited August 2021
    TimT said:

    TOPPING said:

    BBC News - Boardmasters: 4,700 Covid cases 'may be linked' to Newquay festival
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-58309660

    So what?
    Moon may fall into earth.
    When, damn it?! Must I pay for future posts to find out?
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    theProletheProle Posts: 948
    MaxPB said:

    This is completely insane. It's been suggested that people can do regular antibody tests instead of getting a third dose. What a waste of everyone's time and money. Just start giving them out you idiots. We have them and people want them. Fucking get on with it.

    Surely there would be no reason to do tests on the whole population. Logically you do a sample and model it, if you see waning immunity in a section of the population you just give them boosters.

    Presumably the combination of vaccination and boosting by mild infection will make those infections milder and milder over time. I'd probably rate my current illness 3-4 out of ten where 1 is no symptoms, 10 is death, 8-9 ICU, 6-7 is hospitalisation.

    I'd hope with the combination of this infection and a second jab in about a months time my next infection if it ever happens will be in the 1-2 range.

    Out of interest, given I've not actually booked my second dose, any wisdom on how long to hold off to maximise its effects? I was going to go for 10-12 weeks from the first dose as that seems optimal, but I'm wondering if having just reved my immune system up with an infection I should attempt to hold out longer.
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,480
    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TimT said:

    DougSeal said:

    Charles said:

    DougSeal said:

    @PoliticsForAlI
    NEW: Downing Street do not believe Boris Johnson broke the ministerial code by using taxpayers money to jet to Hartlepool to campaign for the Tories, as they say the PM can use his official cars for whatever, despite a car not being a plane

    Via
    @BusinessInsider

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1429824009911349253

    Have you ever seen a Bristol?
    Bit of a personal question TBH
    There used to be a showroom in Kensington when I first moved to London. Holland Road is what the inter web thingy is telling me, although for some reason I remember it as being on Piccadilly.

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bristol_Cars_showroom_Kensington_High_Street.jpg
    It closed a couple of years ago sadly. Opposite the entrance to Warwick Avenue on KHS
    HSK Charles, HSK.
    Not to locals
    Yes to locals (of which I was one for many years). No one says KSH.
    Of course not.

    They say Ken High Street.
    NO THEY DON'T.

    They say High Street Ken. That is just what they say. Ken High Street is not something anyone says.
    To reiterate in case you ( @Charles ) thought I was meaning the initials: for out-of-towners and others types it is whatever they want. For locals it is High Street Ken. Always has been High Street Ken and always will be High Street Ken. Until High Street Ken is taken over by out of towners and denizens of No. 1 Hyde Park and ne'er do wells in which case it will probably become something ghastly like Ken High Street.
    You're right. I was a young northern oik - as opposed to an old one - when I lived there and I called it Ken High Street. So that must be bad and wrong. Explains some of the muted reaction of the high born locals to my eager overtures back then.
    You are not an old northern oik that is ridiculous. 61 is hardly old.
    Ho ho. Seriously, though, it feels it. Age is not just a number. And even more seriously, re HSK vs KHS, it's clearly a class issue. You and your type say HSK, whereas me and my type say KHS. It's a marker. A tell. Like when you have fish for tea and use a special knife with special handles.
    There are some things which aren't class markers. Like whether you pronounce scone as scone or scone. There is a tiny correlation with geography and an even tiner correlation with class. It's just something to fall out enjoyably about.

    It's definitely scone, by the way.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,370
    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TimT said:

    DougSeal said:

    Charles said:

    DougSeal said:

    @PoliticsForAlI
    NEW: Downing Street do not believe Boris Johnson broke the ministerial code by using taxpayers money to jet to Hartlepool to campaign for the Tories, as they say the PM can use his official cars for whatever, despite a car not being a plane

    Via
    @BusinessInsider

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1429824009911349253

    Have you ever seen a Bristol?
    Bit of a personal question TBH
    There used to be a showroom in Kensington when I first moved to London. Holland Road is what the inter web thingy is telling me, although for some reason I remember it as being on Piccadilly.

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bristol_Cars_showroom_Kensington_High_Street.jpg
    It closed a couple of years ago sadly. Opposite the entrance to Warwick Avenue on KHS
    HSK Charles, HSK.
    Not to locals
    Yes to locals (of which I was one for many years). No one says KSH.
    Of course not.

    They say Ken High Street.
    NO THEY DON'T.

    They say High Street Ken. That is just what they say. Ken High Street is not something anyone says.
    To reiterate in case you ( @Charles ) thought I was meaning the initials: for out-of-towners and others types it is whatever they want. For locals it is High Street Ken. Always has been High Street Ken and always will be High Street Ken. Until High Street Ken is taken over by out of towners and denizens of No. 1 Hyde Park and ne'er do wells in which case it will probably become something ghastly like Ken High Street.
    You're right. I was a young northern oik - as opposed to an old one - when I lived there and I called it Ken High Street. So that must be bad and wrong. Explains some of the muted reaction of the high born locals to my eager overtures back then.
    You are not an old northern oik that is ridiculous. 61 is hardly old.
    Ho ho. Seriously, though, it feels it. Age is not just a number. And even more seriously, re HSK vs KHS, it's clearly a class issue. You and your type say HSK, whereas me and my type say KHS. It's a marker. A tell. Like when you have fish for tea and use a special knife with special handles.
    Pearl engraved?
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    TimTTimT Posts: 6,328
    edited August 2021
    IshmaelZ said:

    BBC News - Boardmasters: 4,700 Covid cases 'may be linked' to Newquay festival
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-58309660

    Later - head of Catholic Church’s faith clarifed. Ursine defecation near large angiosperms observed...
    I usually picture the bears shitting under conifers, which are gymnosperms.
    Friends at dinner on Thursday night shared an iPhone video taken from their living room of 3 Black Bear cubs playing in their yard as mommabear snoozed up a white oak. Needless to say, they did not venture outside until mommabear and troupe moved on. (This is in the westernmost part of Maryland, so west that it may as well be West Virginia).
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,444

    theProle said:

    I see that the utter, unmitigated lunacy of requiring new 'UKCA' certification, and not recognising CE marks, has been postponed for a full year:

    https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1429844646088282120

    Let's hope some vague semblance of sanity leaks in to government during that time and that we abandon the entire brain-dead idea of UKCA - a remarkable example of a policy with not a single merit and with massive demerits, both for our manufacturers (for whom it's just extra, completely pointless, red tape) and for consumers (for whom it will reduce choice and increase costs).

    Its not lunacy. A lot of CE marks are buearcratic and hard to obtain, whilst also often failing to achieve what is intended. This is particularly true if you ever have to implement one in France, but it was getting that way in the UK too.

    Certainly in my industry (I'm on the committee which develops all the guidance for my sector) quite a lot of people are cautiously optimistic about the possibility of divergence in sensible directions, now we'll have a governing body which is actually in reach.

    I'm still doing EU work too - my usual Notified Body has set up a brass plate in Dublin, and changed me one off costs of about £600 to duel certificate our key paperwork, which whilst a little irritating (given its only going through the photocopier) is hardly a kings ransom.
    That makes no sense. I can see an argument (you could call it 'Global Britain') for accepting CE marks AND other quality marks, which could even include our own, although we're really too small to have our own certification scheme. But there is zero, precisely zero, reason not to accept CE marks. It's just utter lunacy. It means any UK manufacturer has to get double certification if it has even the slightest wish to export, it means many international suppliers simply won't bother with the UK at all, or if they do will limit the UKCA applications to just a few product lines, which is bad for consumers, and it means UK manufacturers dependent on parts in their supply chain where the supplier can't be bothered to get UKCA certification are completely stuffed.

    And what for? What exactly are the undesirable EU products we're trying to keep out?
    You've turned into a rampant Remoaner.

    You're like Vera Webster in Superman 3 who gets sucked in by the supercomputer and turned into a plodding cyborg.
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    theProletheProle Posts: 948

    TOPPING said:

    BBC News - Boardmasters: 4,700 Covid cases 'may be linked' to Newquay festival
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-58309660

    So what?
    I can't remember where on Twitter I read this, but apparently the young people were cramming into small tents to smoke stuff and there was a mosh pit, there was sharing of vape pipes and some people were even snogging.

    I am shocked, I tell you, shocked, to find covid going on in this establishment.
    Not as shocked as I am to hear young people were getting up to such things... The youth of today!
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    Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 8,846
    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TimT said:

    DougSeal said:

    Charles said:

    DougSeal said:

    @PoliticsForAlI
    NEW: Downing Street do not believe Boris Johnson broke the ministerial code by using taxpayers money to jet to Hartlepool to campaign for the Tories, as they say the PM can use his official cars for whatever, despite a car not being a plane

    Via
    @BusinessInsider

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1429824009911349253

    Have you ever seen a Bristol?
    Bit of a personal question TBH
    There used to be a showroom in Kensington when I first moved to London. Holland Road is what the inter web thingy is telling me, although for some reason I remember it as being on Piccadilly.

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bristol_Cars_showroom_Kensington_High_Street.jpg
    It closed a couple of years ago sadly. Opposite the entrance to Warwick Avenue on KHS
    HSK Charles, HSK.
    Not to locals
    Yes to locals (of which I was one for many years). No one says KSH.
    Of course not.

    They say Ken High Street.
    NO THEY DON'T.

    They say High Street Ken. That is just what they say. Ken High Street is not something anyone says.
    To reiterate in case you ( @Charles ) thought I was meaning the initials: for out-of-towners and others types it is whatever they want. For locals it is High Street Ken. Always has been High Street Ken and always will be High Street Ken. Until High Street Ken is taken over by out of towners and denizens of No. 1 Hyde Park and ne'er do wells in which case it will probably become something ghastly like Ken High Street.
    You're right. I was a young northern oik - as opposed to an old one - when I lived there and I called it Ken High Street. So that must be bad and wrong. Explains some of the muted reaction of the high born locals to my eager overtures back then.
    You are not an old northern oik that is ridiculous. 61 is hardly old.
    Physical age and mental age are not the same you can be positively decrepit mentally age wise at 61
    Well until enlightened many people on here (eg you) thought I was 25 so I know I come over all vibrant and fresh.
    You are as vibrant and fresh as one of those cardboard pinetrees they havng in cars of the rearview mirrors
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,370
    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TimT said:

    DougSeal said:

    Charles said:

    DougSeal said:

    @PoliticsForAlI
    NEW: Downing Street do not believe Boris Johnson broke the ministerial code by using taxpayers money to jet to Hartlepool to campaign for the Tories, as they say the PM can use his official cars for whatever, despite a car not being a plane

    Via
    @BusinessInsider

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1429824009911349253

    Have you ever seen a Bristol?
    Bit of a personal question TBH
    There used to be a showroom in Kensington when I first moved to London. Holland Road is what the inter web thingy is telling me, although for some reason I remember it as being on Piccadilly.

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bristol_Cars_showroom_Kensington_High_Street.jpg
    It closed a couple of years ago sadly. Opposite the entrance to Warwick Avenue on KHS
    HSK Charles, HSK.
    Not to locals
    Yes to locals (of which I was one for many years). No one says KSH.
    Of course not.

    They say Ken High Street.
    NO THEY DON'T.

    They say High Street Ken. That is just what they say. Ken High Street is not something anyone says.
    I've heard both, TBH, and used by locals
    Always good to get the view of a South Western North Londoner.
    Don't get me on to Ken Church St

    In the Churchill Arms they regularly call it Streety-Street Kenster Church Kenniffer Churchy Streeto-Street Kenkennikens Kenkennikens Ken Ken Cheroo Street
    After a few I bet they do.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,444

    I am surprised how little coverage last night's ch4 documentary on covid origins has got. There wasn't anything new for those that read too much on this i.e. i knew about the seeker, about gain of function research being done at L2....but it hasn't been brought together like that in the UK mainstream media.

    Is it on catch-up?
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,480
    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TimT said:

    DougSeal said:

    Charles said:

    DougSeal said:

    @PoliticsForAlI
    NEW: Downing Street do not believe Boris Johnson broke the ministerial code by using taxpayers money to jet to Hartlepool to campaign for the Tories, as they say the PM can use his official cars for whatever, despite a car not being a plane

    Via
    @BusinessInsider

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1429824009911349253

    Have you ever seen a Bristol?
    Bit of a personal question TBH
    There used to be a showroom in Kensington when I first moved to London. Holland Road is what the inter web thingy is telling me, although for some reason I remember it as being on Piccadilly.

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bristol_Cars_showroom_Kensington_High_Street.jpg
    It closed a couple of years ago sadly. Opposite the entrance to Warwick Avenue on KHS
    HSK Charles, HSK.
    Not to locals
    Yes to locals (of which I was one for many years). No one says KSH.
    Of course not.

    They say Ken High Street.
    NO THEY DON'T.

    They say High Street Ken. That is just what they say. Ken High Street is not something anyone says.
    I've heard both, TBH, and used by locals
    While we are on this fascinating discussion, does anyone know why in Ireland it is always County Cork rather than Cork County?
    I can sort of explain why County Durham is such, rather than Durhamshire. It's because it had Prince Bishops, so never had a Sherriff (shire-reeve). So was not a shire.

    I concede that this argument seems a little backward and unsatisfactory.
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,183

    BBC News - Boardmasters: 4,700 Covid cases 'may be linked' to Newquay festival
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-58309660

    Controversial and unpopular opinion - 4,700 teens and early 20 somethings catching Covid is not necessarily that bad of a thing.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,216
    TimT said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    BBC News - Boardmasters: 4,700 Covid cases 'may be linked' to Newquay festival
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-58309660

    Later - head of Catholic Church’s faith clarifed. Ursine defecation near large angiosperms observed...
    I usually picture the bears shitting under conifers, which are gymnosperms.
    Friends at dinner on Thursday night shared an iPhone video taken from their living room of 3 Black Bear cubs playing in their yard as mommabear snoozed up a white oak. Needless to say, they did not venture outside until mommabear and troupe moved on. (This is in the westernmost part of Maryland, so west that it may as well be West Virginia).
    I've had a Bear shit on my front path.
    Well, it was nestling in a pair of blue underpants after an Old Firm match..
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,444
    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TimT said:

    DougSeal said:

    Charles said:

    DougSeal said:

    @PoliticsForAlI
    NEW: Downing Street do not believe Boris Johnson broke the ministerial code by using taxpayers money to jet to Hartlepool to campaign for the Tories, as they say the PM can use his official cars for whatever, despite a car not being a plane

    Via
    @BusinessInsider

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1429824009911349253

    Have you ever seen a Bristol?
    Bit of a personal question TBH
    There used to be a showroom in Kensington when I first moved to London. Holland Road is what the inter web thingy is telling me, although for some reason I remember it as being on Piccadilly.

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bristol_Cars_showroom_Kensington_High_Street.jpg
    It closed a couple of years ago sadly. Opposite the entrance to Warwick Avenue on KHS
    HSK Charles, HSK.
    Not to locals
    Yes to locals (of which I was one for many years). No one says KSH.
    Of course not.

    They say Ken High Street.
    NO THEY DON'T.

    They say High Street Ken. That is just what they say. Ken High Street is not something anyone says.
    I've heard both, TBH, and used by locals
    Always good to get the view of a South Western North Londoner.
    Don't get me on to Ken Church St

    In the Churchill Arms they regularly call it Streety-Street Kenster Church Kenniffer Churchy Streeto-Street Kenkennikens Kenkennikens Ken Ken Cheroo Street
    Is Dick Van Dyke a regular visitor there?
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,377
    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TimT said:

    DougSeal said:

    Charles said:

    DougSeal said:

    @PoliticsForAlI
    NEW: Downing Street do not believe Boris Johnson broke the ministerial code by using taxpayers money to jet to Hartlepool to campaign for the Tories, as they say the PM can use his official cars for whatever, despite a car not being a plane

    Via
    @BusinessInsider

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1429824009911349253

    Have you ever seen a Bristol?
    Bit of a personal question TBH
    There used to be a showroom in Kensington when I first moved to London. Holland Road is what the inter web thingy is telling me, although for some reason I remember it as being on Piccadilly.

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bristol_Cars_showroom_Kensington_High_Street.jpg
    It closed a couple of years ago sadly. Opposite the entrance to Warwick Avenue on KHS
    HSK Charles, HSK.
    Not to locals
    Yes to locals (of which I was one for many years). No one says KSH.
    Of course not.

    They say Ken High Street.
    NO THEY DON'T.

    They say High Street Ken. That is just what they say. Ken High Street is not something anyone says.
    To reiterate in case you ( @Charles ) thought I was meaning the initials: for out-of-towners and others types it is whatever they want. For locals it is High Street Ken. Always has been High Street Ken and always will be High Street Ken. Until High Street Ken is taken over by out of towners and denizens of No. 1 Hyde Park and ne'er do wells in which case it will probably become something ghastly like Ken High Street.
    You're right. I was a young northern oik - as opposed to an old one - when I lived there and I called it Ken High Street. So that must be bad and wrong. Explains some of the muted reaction of the high born locals to my eager overtures back then.
    You are not an old northern oik that is ridiculous. 61 is hardly old.
    Ho ho. Seriously, though, it feels it. Age is not just a number. And even more seriously, re HSK vs KHS, it's clearly a class issue. You and your type say HSK, whereas me and my type say KHS. It's a marker. A tell. Like when you have fish for tea and use a special knife with special handles.
    Pearl engraved?
    OYSTERS IN PUBS
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,235
    IshmaelZ said:

    BBC News - Boardmasters: 4,700 Covid cases 'may be linked' to Newquay festival
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-58309660

    Later - head of Catholic Church’s faith clarifed. Ursine defecation near large angiosperms observed...
    I usually picture the bears shitting under conifers, which are gymnosperms.
    Each to his own...
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    TimTTimT Posts: 6,328

    TimT said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    BBC News - Boardmasters: 4,700 Covid cases 'may be linked' to Newquay festival
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-58309660

    Later - head of Catholic Church’s faith clarifed. Ursine defecation near large angiosperms observed...
    I usually picture the bears shitting under conifers, which are gymnosperms.
    Friends at dinner on Thursday night shared an iPhone video taken from their living room of 3 Black Bear cubs playing in their yard as mommabear snoozed up a white oak. Needless to say, they did not venture outside until mommabear and troupe moved on. (This is in the westernmost part of Maryland, so west that it may as well be West Virginia).
    I've had a Bear shit on my front path.
    Well, it was nestling in a pair of blue underpants after an Old Firm match..
    Hope you didn't venture outside until it was safe.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,728
    theProle said:

    MaxPB said:

    This is completely insane. It's been suggested that people can do regular antibody tests instead of getting a third dose. What a waste of everyone's time and money. Just start giving them out you idiots. We have them and people want them. Fucking get on with it.

    Surely there would be no reason to do tests on the whole population. Logically you do a sample and model it, if you see waning immunity in a section of the population you just give them boosters.

    Presumably the combination of vaccination and boosting by mild infection will make those infections milder and milder over time. I'd probably rate my current illness 3-4 out of ten where 1 is no symptoms, 10 is death, 8-9 ICU, 6-7 is hospitalisation.

    I'd hope with the combination of this infection and a second jab in about a months time my next infection if it ever happens will be in the 1-2 range.

    Out of interest, given I've not actually booked my second dose, any wisdom on how long to hold off to maximise its effects? I was going to go for 10-12 weeks from the first dose as that seems optimal, but I'm wondering if having just reved my immune system up with an infection I should attempt to hold out longer.
    I think that the vaccine should not be given within 4 weeks of infection.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820

    theProle said:

    I see that the utter, unmitigated lunacy of requiring new 'UKCA' certification, and not recognising CE marks, has been postponed for a full year:

    https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1429844646088282120

    Let's hope some vague semblance of sanity leaks in to government during that time and that we abandon the entire brain-dead idea of UKCA - a remarkable example of a policy with not a single merit and with massive demerits, both for our manufacturers (for whom it's just extra, completely pointless, red tape) and for consumers (for whom it will reduce choice and increase costs).

    Its not lunacy. A lot of CE marks are buearcratic and hard to obtain, whilst also often failing to achieve what is intended. This is particularly true if you ever have to implement one in France, but it was getting that way in the UK too.

    Certainly in my industry (I'm on the committee which develops all the guidance for my sector) quite a lot of people are cautiously optimistic about the possibility of divergence in sensible directions, now we'll have a governing body which is actually in reach.

    I'm still doing EU work too - my usual Notified Body has set up a brass plate in Dublin, and changed me one off costs of about £600 to duel certificate our key paperwork, which whilst a little irritating (given its only going through the photocopier) is hardly a kings ransom.
    That makes no sense. I can see an argument (you could call it 'Global Britain') for accepting CE marks AND other quality marks, which could even include our own, although we're really too small to have our own certification scheme. But there is zero, precisely zero, reason not to accept CE marks. It's just utter lunacy. It means any UK manufacturer has to get double certification if it has even the slightest wish to export, it means many international suppliers simply won't bother with the UK at all, or if they do will limit the UKCA applications to just a few product lines, which is bad for consumers, and it means UK manufacturers dependent on parts in their supply chain where the supplier can't be bothered to get UKCA certification are completely stuffed.

    And what for? What exactly are the undesirable EU products we're trying to keep out?
    You've turned into a rampant Remoaner.

    You're like Vera Webster in Superman 3 who gets sucked in by the supercomputer and turned into a plodding cyborg.
    Feel free to point out where I'm wrong. You can start by answering the question at the end of my post.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,370
    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TimT said:

    DougSeal said:

    Charles said:

    DougSeal said:

    @PoliticsForAlI
    NEW: Downing Street do not believe Boris Johnson broke the ministerial code by using taxpayers money to jet to Hartlepool to campaign for the Tories, as they say the PM can use his official cars for whatever, despite a car not being a plane

    Via
    @BusinessInsider

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1429824009911349253

    Have you ever seen a Bristol?
    Bit of a personal question TBH
    There used to be a showroom in Kensington when I first moved to London. Holland Road is what the inter web thingy is telling me, although for some reason I remember it as being on Piccadilly.

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bristol_Cars_showroom_Kensington_High_Street.jpg
    It closed a couple of years ago sadly. Opposite the entrance to Warwick Avenue on KHS
    HSK Charles, HSK.
    Not to locals
    Yes to locals (of which I was one for many years). No one says KSH.
    Of course not.

    They say Ken High Street.
    NO THEY DON'T.

    They say High Street Ken. That is just what they say. Ken High Street is not something anyone says.
    I've heard both, TBH, and used by locals
    Always good to get the view of a South Western North Londoner.
    Don't get me on to Ken Church St

    In the Churchill Arms they regularly call it Streety-Street Kenster Church Kenniffer Churchy Streeto-Street Kenkennikens Kenkennikens Ken Ken Cheroo Street
    My first motorised transport was a Puch Maxi (for god's sake don't tell you know who). I abandoned it on Rabbit Row then sold it to a friend for £50 and he found it with 20 parking tickets on it.

    To this day I don't know what happened to the tickets.
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    Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 8,846

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TimT said:

    DougSeal said:

    Charles said:

    DougSeal said:

    @PoliticsForAlI
    NEW: Downing Street do not believe Boris Johnson broke the ministerial code by using taxpayers money to jet to Hartlepool to campaign for the Tories, as they say the PM can use his official cars for whatever, despite a car not being a plane

    Via
    @BusinessInsider

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1429824009911349253

    Have you ever seen a Bristol?
    Bit of a personal question TBH
    There used to be a showroom in Kensington when I first moved to London. Holland Road is what the inter web thingy is telling me, although for some reason I remember it as being on Piccadilly.

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bristol_Cars_showroom_Kensington_High_Street.jpg
    It closed a couple of years ago sadly. Opposite the entrance to Warwick Avenue on KHS
    HSK Charles, HSK.
    Not to locals
    Yes to locals (of which I was one for many years). No one says KSH.
    Of course not.

    They say Ken High Street.
    NO THEY DON'T.

    They say High Street Ken. That is just what they say. Ken High Street is not something anyone says.
    To reiterate in case you ( @Charles ) thought I was meaning the initials: for out-of-towners and others types it is whatever they want. For locals it is High Street Ken. Always has been High Street Ken and always will be High Street Ken. Until High Street Ken is taken over by out of towners and denizens of No. 1 Hyde Park and ne'er do wells in which case it will probably become something ghastly like Ken High Street.
    You're right. I was a young northern oik - as opposed to an old one - when I lived there and I called it Ken High Street. So that must be bad and wrong. Explains some of the muted reaction of the high born locals to my eager overtures back then.
    You are not an old northern oik that is ridiculous. 61 is hardly old.
    Ho ho. Seriously, though, it feels it. Age is not just a number. And even more seriously, re HSK vs KHS, it's clearly a class issue. You and your type say HSK, whereas me and my type say KHS. It's a marker. A tell. Like when you have fish for tea and use a special knife with special handles.
    There are some things which aren't class markers. Like whether you pronounce scone as scone or scone. There is a tiny correlation with geography and an even tiner correlation with class. It's just something to fall out enjoyably about.

    It's definitely scone, by the way.
    You're wrong. It's scone.
    It doesn't matter what you call it as long as you apply the cream and jam in the right order
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,370

    theProle said:

    I see that the utter, unmitigated lunacy of requiring new 'UKCA' certification, and not recognising CE marks, has been postponed for a full year:

    https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1429844646088282120

    Let's hope some vague semblance of sanity leaks in to government during that time and that we abandon the entire brain-dead idea of UKCA - a remarkable example of a policy with not a single merit and with massive demerits, both for our manufacturers (for whom it's just extra, completely pointless, red tape) and for consumers (for whom it will reduce choice and increase costs).

    Its not lunacy. A lot of CE marks are buearcratic and hard to obtain, whilst also often failing to achieve what is intended. This is particularly true if you ever have to implement one in France, but it was getting that way in the UK too.

    Certainly in my industry (I'm on the committee which develops all the guidance for my sector) quite a lot of people are cautiously optimistic about the possibility of divergence in sensible directions, now we'll have a governing body which is actually in reach.

    I'm still doing EU work too - my usual Notified Body has set up a brass plate in Dublin, and changed me one off costs of about £600 to duel certificate our key paperwork, which whilst a little irritating (given its only going through the photocopier) is hardly a kings ransom.
    That makes no sense. I can see an argument (you could call it 'Global Britain') for accepting CE marks AND other quality marks, which could even include our own, although we're really too small to have our own certification scheme. But there is zero, precisely zero, reason not to accept CE marks. It's just utter lunacy. It means any UK manufacturer has to get double certification if it has even the slightest wish to export, it means many international suppliers simply won't bother with the UK at all, or if they do will limit the UKCA applications to just a few product lines, which is bad for consumers, and it means UK manufacturers dependent on parts in their supply chain where the supplier can't be bothered to get UKCA certification are completely stuffed.

    And what for? What exactly are the undesirable EU products we're trying to keep out?
    You've turned into a rampant Remoaner.

    You're like Vera Webster in Superman 3 who gets sucked in by the supercomputer and turned into a plodding cyborg.
    Uh oh. Take a moment Casino.
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,183
    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TimT said:

    DougSeal said:

    Charles said:

    DougSeal said:

    @PoliticsForAlI
    NEW: Downing Street do not believe Boris Johnson broke the ministerial code by using taxpayers money to jet to Hartlepool to campaign for the Tories, as they say the PM can use his official cars for whatever, despite a car not being a plane

    Via
    @BusinessInsider

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1429824009911349253

    Have you ever seen a Bristol?
    Bit of a personal question TBH
    There used to be a showroom in Kensington when I first moved to London. Holland Road is what the inter web thingy is telling me, although for some reason I remember it as being on Piccadilly.

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bristol_Cars_showroom_Kensington_High_Street.jpg
    It closed a couple of years ago sadly. Opposite the entrance to Warwick Avenue on KHS
    HSK Charles, HSK.
    Not to locals
    Yes to locals (of which I was one for many years). No one says KSH.
    Of course not.

    They say Ken High Street.
    NO THEY DON'T.

    They say High Street Ken. That is just what they say. Ken High Street is not something anyone says.
    To reiterate in case you ( @Charles ) thought I was meaning the initials: for out-of-towners and others types it is whatever they want. For locals it is High Street Ken. Always has been High Street Ken and always will be High Street Ken. Until High Street Ken is taken over by out of towners and denizens of No. 1 Hyde Park and ne'er do wells in which case it will probably become something ghastly like Ken High Street.
    You're right. I was a young northern oik - as opposed to an old one - when I lived there and I called it Ken High Street. So that must be bad and wrong. Explains some of the muted reaction of the high born locals to my eager overtures back then.
    You are not an old northern oik that is ridiculous. 61 is hardly old.
    Ho ho. Seriously, though, it feels it. Age is not just a number. And even more seriously, re HSK vs KHS, it's clearly a class issue. You and your type say HSK, whereas me and my type say KHS. It's a marker. A tell. Like when you have fish for tea and use a special knife with special handles.
    Pearl engraved?
    OYSTERS IN PUBS
    Par for the course where I grew up.
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    OK, it's boring to have to say this, but your periodic reminders-

    Trying to measure smallish differences between fuzzy numbers is a mug's game. (90% of experimental physics boils down to this.)

    Conservative +10 and Conservative +3 are both totally consistent with a score of C41L35 which has been the best guess for a while. That's rather worse for the government than their peak around mid May, and would give a majority that could survive by-elections but not determined rebellions.

    Events take longer to move the dial than we all think. Afghanistan might be just beginning to register.

    We haven't really tested "this is a terrible government but they will defend Brexit" or "maybe this Brexit is what you'd expect to come out of a labrador's bottom and needs tweaking" yet.
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    paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,461
    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    One half-decent poll and the mood changes....

    The only thing more daft is trying to use rolling polls as part of an average - it's almost as if someone desperately wants the Conservatives to overtake the Liberals and win in Canada...

    Before Canada or even Germany vote, we have Norway which goes to the polls on the 13th September so just three weeks away.

    The latest Kantar poll (changes from the last election):

    Labour: 22.7% (-4.7)
    Conservatives: 19.7 (-5.3)
    Centre Party: 13% (+2.7)
    Socialist Left: 9.5% (+3.5)
    Progress Party: 9.3% (-5.9)
    Red Party: 5.9% (+3.5)
    Greens: 5.1% (+1.9)
    Liberal Party: 4.4% (nc)

    The more significant is between the "Red" and "Blue" blocs (the centre-left and centre-right coalitions of parties). At the last election to the Storting in 2017, the Blue bloc won 49-46 but the Red bloc now leads 51-37.which I maike an 8.5% swing to the centre-left. It does look on the above numbers there has been a significant shift to the Left in Norway.

    There was never going to be much life in the Norwegian Blues.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,370
    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TimT said:

    DougSeal said:

    Charles said:

    DougSeal said:

    @PoliticsForAlI
    NEW: Downing Street do not believe Boris Johnson broke the ministerial code by using taxpayers money to jet to Hartlepool to campaign for the Tories, as they say the PM can use his official cars for whatever, despite a car not being a plane

    Via
    @BusinessInsider

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1429824009911349253

    Have you ever seen a Bristol?
    Bit of a personal question TBH
    There used to be a showroom in Kensington when I first moved to London. Holland Road is what the inter web thingy is telling me, although for some reason I remember it as being on Piccadilly.

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bristol_Cars_showroom_Kensington_High_Street.jpg
    It closed a couple of years ago sadly. Opposite the entrance to Warwick Avenue on KHS
    HSK Charles, HSK.
    Not to locals
    Yes to locals (of which I was one for many years). No one says KSH.
    Of course not.

    They say Ken High Street.
    NO THEY DON'T.

    They say High Street Ken. That is just what they say. Ken High Street is not something anyone says.
    To reiterate in case you ( @Charles ) thought I was meaning the initials: for out-of-towners and others types it is whatever they want. For locals it is High Street Ken. Always has been High Street Ken and always will be High Street Ken. Until High Street Ken is taken over by out of towners and denizens of No. 1 Hyde Park and ne'er do wells in which case it will probably become something ghastly like Ken High Street.
    You're right. I was a young northern oik - as opposed to an old one - when I lived there and I called it Ken High Street. So that must be bad and wrong. Explains some of the muted reaction of the high born locals to my eager overtures back then.
    You are not an old northern oik that is ridiculous. 61 is hardly old.
    Ho ho. Seriously, though, it feels it. Age is not just a number. And even more seriously, re HSK vs KHS, it's clearly a class issue. You and your type say HSK, whereas me and my type say KHS. It's a marker. A tell. Like when you have fish for tea and use a special knife with special handles.
    There are some things which aren't class markers. Like whether you pronounce scone as scone or scone. There is a tiny correlation with geography and an even tiner correlation with class. It's just something to fall out enjoyably about.

    It's definitely scone, by the way.
    You're wrong. It's scone.
    It doesn't matter what you call it as long as you apply the cream and jam in the right order
    TAKE COVERRRR
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,370
    DougSeal said:

    BBC News - Boardmasters: 4,700 Covid cases 'may be linked' to Newquay festival
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-58309660

    Controversial and unpopular opinion - 4,700 teens and early 20 somethings catching Covid is not necessarily that bad of a thing.
    Exactly. @FrancisUrquhart is regressing to his curtain twitching days.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,293
    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TimT said:

    DougSeal said:

    Charles said:

    DougSeal said:

    @PoliticsForAlI
    NEW: Downing Street do not believe Boris Johnson broke the ministerial code by using taxpayers money to jet to Hartlepool to campaign for the Tories, as they say the PM can use his official cars for whatever, despite a car not being a plane

    Via
    @BusinessInsider

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1429824009911349253

    Have you ever seen a Bristol?
    Bit of a personal question TBH
    There used to be a showroom in Kensington when I first moved to London. Holland Road is what the inter web thingy is telling me, although for some reason I remember it as being on Piccadilly.

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bristol_Cars_showroom_Kensington_High_Street.jpg
    It closed a couple of years ago sadly. Opposite the entrance to Warwick Avenue on KHS
    HSK Charles, HSK.
    Not to locals
    Yes to locals (of which I was one for many years). No one says KSH.
    Of course not.

    They say Ken High Street.
    NO THEY DON'T.

    They say High Street Ken. That is just what they say. Ken High Street is not something anyone says.
    To reiterate in case you ( @Charles ) thought I was meaning the initials: for out-of-towners and others types it is whatever they want. For locals it is High Street Ken. Always has been High Street Ken and always will be High Street Ken. Until High Street Ken is taken over by out of towners and denizens of No. 1 Hyde Park and ne'er do wells in which case it will probably become something ghastly like Ken High Street.
    You're right. I was a young northern oik - as opposed to an old one - when I lived there and I called it Ken High Street. So that must be bad and wrong. Explains some of the muted reaction of the high born locals to my eager overtures back then.
    You are not an old northern oik that is ridiculous. 61 is hardly old.
    Ho ho. Seriously, though, it feels it. Age is not just a number. And even more seriously, re HSK vs KHS, it's clearly a class issue. You and your type say HSK, whereas me and my type say KHS. It's a marker. A tell. Like when you have fish for tea and use a special knife with special handles.
    Pearl engraved?
    OYSTERS IN PUBS
    That, I think, is urban myth. Nobody does that. I'd have at least seen it and I haven't.
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    Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 8,846
    theProle said:

    TOPPING said:

    BBC News - Boardmasters: 4,700 Covid cases 'may be linked' to Newquay festival
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-58309660

    So what?
    I can't remember where on Twitter I read this, but apparently the young people were cramming into small tents to smoke stuff and there was a mosh pit, there was sharing of vape pipes and some people were even snogging.

    I am shocked, I tell you, shocked, to find covid going on in this establishment.
    Not as shocked as I am to hear young people were getting up to such things... The youth of today!
    Am I the only one that thinks this should be encouraged?
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    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TimT said:

    DougSeal said:

    Charles said:

    DougSeal said:

    @PoliticsForAlI
    NEW: Downing Street do not believe Boris Johnson broke the ministerial code by using taxpayers money to jet to Hartlepool to campaign for the Tories, as they say the PM can use his official cars for whatever, despite a car not being a plane

    Via
    @BusinessInsider

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1429824009911349253

    Have you ever seen a Bristol?
    Bit of a personal question TBH
    There used to be a showroom in Kensington when I first moved to London. Holland Road is what the inter web thingy is telling me, although for some reason I remember it as being on Piccadilly.

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bristol_Cars_showroom_Kensington_High_Street.jpg
    It closed a couple of years ago sadly. Opposite the entrance to Warwick Avenue on KHS
    HSK Charles, HSK.
    Not to locals
    Yes to locals (of which I was one for many years). No one says KSH.
    Of course not.

    They say Ken High Street.
    NO THEY DON'T.

    They say High Street Ken. That is just what they say. Ken High Street is not something anyone says.
    To reiterate in case you ( @Charles ) thought I was meaning the initials: for out-of-towners and others types it is whatever they want. For locals it is High Street Ken. Always has been High Street Ken and always will be High Street Ken. Until High Street Ken is taken over by out of towners and denizens of No. 1 Hyde Park and ne'er do wells in which case it will probably become something ghastly like Ken High Street.
    You're right. I was a young northern oik - as opposed to an old one - when I lived there and I called it Ken High Street. So that must be bad and wrong. Explains some of the muted reaction of the high born locals to my eager overtures back then.
    You are not an old northern oik that is ridiculous. 61 is hardly old.
    Ho ho. Seriously, though, it feels it. Age is not just a number. And even more seriously, re HSK vs KHS, it's clearly a class issue. You and your type say HSK, whereas me and my type say KHS. It's a marker. A tell. Like when you have fish for tea and use a special knife with special handles.
    Pearl engraved?
    OYSTERS IN PUBS
    Of course. How else are you going to pay the tube fare to High Street Kensington?
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,277
    DougSeal said:

    BBC News - Boardmasters: 4,700 Covid cases 'may be linked' to Newquay festival
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-58309660

    Controversial and unpopular opinion - 4,700 teens and early 20 somethings catching Covid is not necessarily that bad of a thing.
    Drs Pagel and Gurdasani say you must go to Jail and not pass Go. :smiley:
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,293
    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TimT said:

    DougSeal said:

    Charles said:

    DougSeal said:

    @PoliticsForAlI
    NEW: Downing Street do not believe Boris Johnson broke the ministerial code by using taxpayers money to jet to Hartlepool to campaign for the Tories, as they say the PM can use his official cars for whatever, despite a car not being a plane

    Via
    @BusinessInsider

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1429824009911349253

    Have you ever seen a Bristol?
    Bit of a personal question TBH
    There used to be a showroom in Kensington when I first moved to London. Holland Road is what the inter web thingy is telling me, although for some reason I remember it as being on Piccadilly.

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bristol_Cars_showroom_Kensington_High_Street.jpg
    It closed a couple of years ago sadly. Opposite the entrance to Warwick Avenue on KHS
    HSK Charles, HSK.
    Not to locals
    Yes to locals (of which I was one for many years). No one says KSH.
    Of course not.

    They say Ken High Street.
    NO THEY DON'T.

    They say High Street Ken. That is just what they say. Ken High Street is not something anyone says.
    To reiterate in case you ( @Charles ) thought I was meaning the initials: for out-of-towners and others types it is whatever they want. For locals it is High Street Ken. Always has been High Street Ken and always will be High Street Ken. Until High Street Ken is taken over by out of towners and denizens of No. 1 Hyde Park and ne'er do wells in which case it will probably become something ghastly like Ken High Street.
    You're right. I was a young northern oik - as opposed to an old one - when I lived there and I called it Ken High Street. So that must be bad and wrong. Explains some of the muted reaction of the high born locals to my eager overtures back then.
    You are not an old northern oik that is ridiculous. 61 is hardly old.
    Physical age and mental age are not the same you can be positively decrepit mentally age wise at 61
    Well until enlightened many people on here (eg you) thought I was 25 so I know I come over all vibrant and fresh.
    You are as vibrant and fresh as one of those cardboard pinetrees they havng in cars of the rearview mirrors
    Don't know why you keep up this charade of being deeply unimpressed by all my contributions.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,377
    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TimT said:

    DougSeal said:

    Charles said:

    DougSeal said:

    @PoliticsForAlI
    NEW: Downing Street do not believe Boris Johnson broke the ministerial code by using taxpayers money to jet to Hartlepool to campaign for the Tories, as they say the PM can use his official cars for whatever, despite a car not being a plane

    Via
    @BusinessInsider

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1429824009911349253

    Have you ever seen a Bristol?
    Bit of a personal question TBH
    There used to be a showroom in Kensington when I first moved to London. Holland Road is what the inter web thingy is telling me, although for some reason I remember it as being on Piccadilly.

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bristol_Cars_showroom_Kensington_High_Street.jpg
    It closed a couple of years ago sadly. Opposite the entrance to Warwick Avenue on KHS
    HSK Charles, HSK.
    Not to locals
    Yes to locals (of which I was one for many years). No one says KSH.
    Of course not.

    They say Ken High Street.
    NO THEY DON'T.

    They say High Street Ken. That is just what they say. Ken High Street is not something anyone says.
    I've heard both, TBH, and used by locals
    Always good to get the view of a South Western North Londoner.
    Don't get me on to Ken Church St

    In the Churchill Arms they regularly call it Streety-Street Kenster Church Kenniffer Churchy Streeto-Street Kenkennikens Kenkennikens Ken Ken Cheroo Street
    My first motorised transport was a Puch Maxi (for god's sake don't tell you know who). I abandoned it on Rabbit Row then sold it to a friend for £50 and he found it with 20 parking tickets on it.

    To this day I don't know what happened to the tickets.
    I once broke down on Malet St Bloomsbury in a terrible old car, 200 yards from home. There was no way of fixing it, so I just left it there, abandoned. And never went back

    I expected a knock on the door but over a few weeks the car just disappeared. Some bits were taken, then the whole thing vanished. Not sure how

    This was in the mid-late 80s when London was a much more lawless place, in many ways
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited August 2021
    TOPPING said:

    DougSeal said:

    BBC News - Boardmasters: 4,700 Covid cases 'may be linked' to Newquay festival
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-58309660

    Controversial and unpopular opinion - 4,700 teens and early 20 somethings catching Covid is not necessarily that bad of a thing.
    Exactly. @FrancisUrquhart is regressing to his curtain twitching days.
    I made no curtain twitching-esque comment on this story, just linked to it....as it has been suggested by others on here that they wondered if boardmasters caused the big spike in cases in the SW and now the authorities are saying they think so.

    In fact, you will find a number of posts I made in the past saying festivals for loads of youngsters isn't the worst thing.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Oops

    https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1429879258617454599

    ALERT: In a potential security breach, a person from Afghanistan on the UK's no-fly list has been flown into Birmingham as part of the evacuation operation. The "no fly watchlist" is designed to block individuals who are considered a security threat from reaching UK - Sky News
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    rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TimT said:

    DougSeal said:

    Charles said:

    DougSeal said:

    @PoliticsForAlI
    NEW: Downing Street do not believe Boris Johnson broke the ministerial code by using taxpayers money to jet to Hartlepool to campaign for the Tories, as they say the PM can use his official cars for whatever, despite a car not being a plane

    Via
    @BusinessInsider

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1429824009911349253

    Have you ever seen a Bristol?
    Bit of a personal question TBH
    There used to be a showroom in Kensington when I first moved to London. Holland Road is what the inter web thingy is telling me, although for some reason I remember it as being on Piccadilly.

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bristol_Cars_showroom_Kensington_High_Street.jpg
    It closed a couple of years ago sadly. Opposite the entrance to Warwick Avenue on KHS
    HSK Charles, HSK.
    Not to locals
    Yes to locals (of which I was one for many years). No one says KSH.
    Of course not.

    They say Ken High Street.
    NO THEY DON'T.

    They say High Street Ken. That is just what they say. Ken High Street is not something anyone says.
    To reiterate in case you ( @Charles ) thought I was meaning the initials: for out-of-towners and others types it is whatever they want. For locals it is High Street Ken. Always has been High Street Ken and always will be High Street Ken. Until High Street Ken is taken over by out of towners and denizens of No. 1 Hyde Park and ne'er do wells in which case it will probably become something ghastly like Ken High Street.
    You're right. I was a young northern oik - as opposed to an old one - when I lived there and I called it Ken High Street. So that must be bad and wrong. Explains some of the muted reaction of the high born locals to my eager overtures back then.
    You are not an old northern oik that is ridiculous. 61 is hardly old.
    Ho ho. Seriously, though, it feels it. Age is not just a number. And even more seriously, re HSK vs KHS, it's clearly a class issue. You and your type say HSK, whereas me and my type say KHS. It's a marker. A tell. Like when you have fish for tea and use a special knife with special handles.
    Pearl engraved?
    OYSTERS IN PUBS
    Of course. How else are you going to pay the tube fare to High Street Kensington?
    I've heard that quite a lot of cities have transformed their Oyster-a-likes into a general payment card thing.
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949

    I am surprised how little coverage last night's ch4 documentary on covid origins has got. There wasn't anything new for those that read too much on this i.e. i knew about the seeker, about gain of function research being done at L2....but it hasn't been brought together like that in the UK mainstream media.

    Is it on catch-up?
    https://www.channel4.com/programmes/did-covid-leak-from-a-lab-in-china
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,183

    DougSeal said:

    BBC News - Boardmasters: 4,700 Covid cases 'may be linked' to Newquay festival
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-58309660

    Controversial and unpopular opinion - 4,700 teens and early 20 somethings catching Covid is not necessarily that bad of a thing.
    Drs Pagel and Gurdasani say you must go to Jail and not pass Go. :smiley:
    I stand to be corrected here (my maths is terrible) but a cursory eye of the data suggests to me that without the Boardmasters wave (geddit?) there may have been a very slight week on week case reduction in England these past few days.
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    Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 4,818
    Chris said:

    For all the "All Quacks" "Look at Israel":

    A notable difference between Israel and UK in their Delta waves https://ft.com/content/23cdbf8c-b5ef-4596-bb46-f510606ab556 by @jburnmurdoch and @nikasgarib @FT



    https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1429835698765324289?s=20

    The latest REACT study concluded that the rate of hospitalisation per infection was practically unchanged from earlier in the pandemic.

    Of course the number of positive tests is not the same as the number of infections!
    I'm not sure you're reading the right interpretation of that study. Which is singular, anyway.

    Taking the ONS infection incidence estimates since last June, the relationship between infections and cases is fairly consistent (cases are around 0.5 x infections lagged 3 days).
    The relationship between infections and hospitalisations was around 28 x (lag 10 days) and infections to deaths was around 90 x (lagged 20 days).

    Until recently. The divergence looks pretty clear.


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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,897
    Floater said:

    Oops

    https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1429879258617454599

    ALERT: In a potential security breach, a person from Afghanistan on the UK's no-fly list has been flown into Birmingham as part of the evacuation operation. The "no fly watchlist" is designed to block individuals who are considered a security threat from reaching UK - Sky News

    I'd assumed that was inevitable in the circumstances.
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    Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 7,557
    Botham's appointment as trade envoy to Australia smacks of celebrity government rather than a meritocracy. A great cricketer. Also happens to be a Tory, strongly in favour of Brexit, and an ardent monarchist. He's also not very bright - good to see the government not trusting experts. Who's next - Wayne Rooney as trade envoy to France?

    Apparently, the Australian government is considering appointing Shane Warne to the reciprocal position.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,370

    TOPPING said:

    DougSeal said:

    BBC News - Boardmasters: 4,700 Covid cases 'may be linked' to Newquay festival
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-58309660

    Controversial and unpopular opinion - 4,700 teens and early 20 somethings catching Covid is not necessarily that bad of a thing.
    Exactly. @FrancisUrquhart is regressing to his curtain twitching days.
    I made no curtain twitching-esque comment on this story, just linked to it....as it has been suggested by others on here that they wondered if boardmasters caused the big spike in cases in the SW and now the authorities are saying they think so.
    And I repeat my question - so what?
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,183

    TOPPING said:

    DougSeal said:

    BBC News - Boardmasters: 4,700 Covid cases 'may be linked' to Newquay festival
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-58309660

    Controversial and unpopular opinion - 4,700 teens and early 20 somethings catching Covid is not necessarily that bad of a thing.
    Exactly. @FrancisUrquhart is regressing to his curtain twitching days.
    I made no curtain twitching-esque comment on this story, just linked to it....as it has been suggested by others on here that they wondered if boardmasters caused the big spike in cases in the SW and now the authorities are saying they think so.
    It almost certainly did. The SW has been spared a lot of the worst effects of this pandemic and there are fewer antibodies to go round there.
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,796
    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TimT said:

    DougSeal said:

    Charles said:

    DougSeal said:

    @PoliticsForAlI
    NEW: Downing Street do not believe Boris Johnson broke the ministerial code by using taxpayers money to jet to Hartlepool to campaign for the Tories, as they say the PM can use his official cars for whatever, despite a car not being a plane

    Via
    @BusinessInsider

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1429824009911349253

    Have you ever seen a Bristol?
    Bit of a personal question TBH
    There used to be a showroom in Kensington when I first moved to London. Holland Road is what the inter web thingy is telling me, although for some reason I remember it as being on Piccadilly.

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bristol_Cars_showroom_Kensington_High_Street.jpg
    It closed a couple of years ago sadly. Opposite the entrance to Warwick Avenue on KHS
    HSK Charles, HSK.
    Not to locals
    Yes to locals (of which I was one for many years). No one says KSH.
    Of course not.

    They say Ken High Street.
    NO THEY DON'T.

    They say High Street Ken. That is just what they say. Ken High Street is not something anyone says.
    I've heard both, TBH, and used by locals
    Always good to get the view of a South Western North Londoner.
    Don't get me on to Ken Church St

    In the Churchill Arms they regularly call it Streety-Street Kenster Church Kenniffer Churchy Streeto-Street Kenkennikens Kenkennikens Ken Ken Cheroo Street
    My first motorised transport was a Puch Maxi (for god's sake don't tell you know who). I abandoned it on Rabbit Row then sold it to a friend for £50 and he found it with 20 parking tickets on it.

    To this day I don't know what happened to the tickets.
    I once broke down on Malet St Bloomsbury in a terrible old car, 200 yards from home. There was no way of fixing it, so I just left it there, abandoned. And never went back

    I expected a knock on the door but over a few weeks the car just disappeared. Some bits were taken, then the whole thing vanished. Not sure how

    This was in the mid-late 80s when London was a much more lawless place, in many ways
    The Golf?

    Thirty years of fines...

    Don't worry, just guessing :)
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,728

    TOPPING said:

    DougSeal said:

    BBC News - Boardmasters: 4,700 Covid cases 'may be linked' to Newquay festival
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-58309660

    Controversial and unpopular opinion - 4,700 teens and early 20 somethings catching Covid is not necessarily that bad of a thing.
    Exactly. @FrancisUrquhart is regressing to his curtain twitching days.
    I made no curtain twitching-esque comment on this story, just linked to it....as it has been suggested by others on here that they wondered if boardmasters caused the big spike in cases in the SW and now the authorities are saying they think so.
    Pretty impressive result for Delta considering 4700 is nearly 10% of the attendees, and they all had to have a lateral flow test before and during.
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,480
    Foxy said:

    theProle said:

    MaxPB said:

    This is completely insane. It's been suggested that people can do regular antibody tests instead of getting a third dose. What a waste of everyone's time and money. Just start giving them out you idiots. We have them and people want them. Fucking get on with it.

    Surely there would be no reason to do tests on the whole population. Logically you do a sample and model it, if you see waning immunity in a section of the population you just give them boosters.

    Presumably the combination of vaccination and boosting by mild infection will make those infections milder and milder over time. I'd probably rate my current illness 3-4 out of ten where 1 is no symptoms, 10 is death, 8-9 ICU, 6-7 is hospitalisation.

    I'd hope with the combination of this infection and a second jab in about a months time my next infection if it ever happens will be in the 1-2 range.

    Out of interest, given I've not actually booked my second dose, any wisdom on how long to hold off to maximise its effects? I was going to go for 10-12 weeks from the first dose as that seems optimal, but I'm wondering if having just reved my immune system up with an infection I should attempt to hold out longer.
    I think that the vaccine should not be given within 4 weeks of infection.
    Is this for the benefit of the patient, or is it a belt-and-braces don't-bring-infectious-people-into-the-vaccination-centre approach?
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    Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 8,846
    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TimT said:

    DougSeal said:

    Charles said:

    DougSeal said:

    @PoliticsForAlI
    NEW: Downing Street do not believe Boris Johnson broke the ministerial code by using taxpayers money to jet to Hartlepool to campaign for the Tories, as they say the PM can use his official cars for whatever, despite a car not being a plane

    Via
    @BusinessInsider

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1429824009911349253

    Have you ever seen a Bristol?
    Bit of a personal question TBH
    There used to be a showroom in Kensington when I first moved to London. Holland Road is what the inter web thingy is telling me, although for some reason I remember it as being on Piccadilly.

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bristol_Cars_showroom_Kensington_High_Street.jpg
    It closed a couple of years ago sadly. Opposite the entrance to Warwick Avenue on KHS
    HSK Charles, HSK.
    Not to locals
    Yes to locals (of which I was one for many years). No one says KSH.
    Of course not.

    They say Ken High Street.
    NO THEY DON'T.

    They say High Street Ken. That is just what they say. Ken High Street is not something anyone says.
    To reiterate in case you ( @Charles ) thought I was meaning the initials: for out-of-towners and others types it is whatever they want. For locals it is High Street Ken. Always has been High Street Ken and always will be High Street Ken. Until High Street Ken is taken over by out of towners and denizens of No. 1 Hyde Park and ne'er do wells in which case it will probably become something ghastly like Ken High Street.
    You're right. I was a young northern oik - as opposed to an old one - when I lived there and I called it Ken High Street. So that must be bad and wrong. Explains some of the muted reaction of the high born locals to my eager overtures back then.
    You are not an old northern oik that is ridiculous. 61 is hardly old.
    Physical age and mental age are not the same you can be positively decrepit mentally age wise at 61
    Well until enlightened many people on here (eg you) thought I was 25 so I know I come over all vibrant and fresh.
    You are as vibrant and fresh as one of those cardboard pinetrees they havng in cars of the rearview mirrors
    Don't know why you keep up this charade of being deeply unimpressed by all my contributions.
    https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://eckssaloon.com/pics/a-fist-full-of-yen.png&imgrefurl=https://eckssaloon.com/oriental/a-fist-full-of-yen.php&tbnid=QtpWpO8Vh-59hM&vet=12ahUKEwiyy-qg6cfyAhVzgM4BHSjUC3sQMygCegQIARAW..i&docid=NBkCzJUJiu8oMM&w=2000&h=1733&q=its a chawade meme&ved=2ahUKEwiyy-qg6cfyAhVzgM4BHSjUC3sQMygCegQIARAW


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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,377
    Quincel said:

    I am surprised how little coverage last night's ch4 documentary on covid origins has got. There wasn't anything new for those that read too much on this i.e. i knew about the seeker, about gain of function research being done at L2....but it hasn't been brought together like that in the UK mainstream media.

    Is it on catch-up?
    https://www.channel4.com/programmes/did-covid-leak-from-a-lab-in-china
    It's comprehensive and convincing. :Like Francis, for me it contained nothing new, but they weave together the narrative cleverly

    90-99% certain it came from the lab. Anyone who says otherwise is either a Chinese shill, a contrarian, or a halfwit
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited August 2021
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    DougSeal said:

    BBC News - Boardmasters: 4,700 Covid cases 'may be linked' to Newquay festival
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-58309660

    Controversial and unpopular opinion - 4,700 teens and early 20 somethings catching Covid is not necessarily that bad of a thing.
    Exactly. @FrancisUrquhart is regressing to his curtain twitching days.
    I made no curtain twitching-esque comment on this story, just linked to it....as it has been suggested by others on here that they wondered if boardmasters caused the big spike in cases in the SW and now the authorities are saying they think so.
    And I repeat my question - so what?
    It is simply highlighting that authorities appear to confirm what posters on here have suggested as to why SW saw a big spike. As we do with lots of other covid related stuff.

    I am not really sure what your issue is with that.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,897
    edited August 2021

    Botham's appointment as trade envoy to Australia smacks of celebrity government rather than a meritocracy. A great cricketer. Also happens to be a Tory, strongly in favour of Brexit, and an ardent monarchist. He's also not very bright - good to see the government not trusting experts. Who's next - Wayne Rooney as trade envoy to France?

    Apparently, the Australian government is considering appointing Shane Warne to the reciprocal position.

    I'm unclear what trade envoys actually do (and if it is unpaid, why a celebrity would want to do it). Could be worse, could appoint ambassadors that way.
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,235
    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    DougSeal said:

    BBC News - Boardmasters: 4,700 Covid cases 'may be linked' to Newquay festival
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-58309660

    Controversial and unpopular opinion - 4,700 teens and early 20 somethings catching Covid is not necessarily that bad of a thing.
    Exactly. @FrancisUrquhart is regressing to his curtain twitching days.
    I made no curtain twitching-esque comment on this story, just linked to it....as it has been suggested by others on here that they wondered if boardmasters caused the big spike in cases in the SW and now the authorities are saying they think so.
    Pretty impressive result for Delta considering 4700 is nearly 10% of the attendees, and they all had to have a lateral flow test before and during.
    Although you wonder we’ll enforced the tests were. I did one to attend a chilli festival. Took a photo with me. No one checked.
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,183

    Botham's appointment as trade envoy to Australia smacks of celebrity government rather than a meritocracy. A great cricketer. Also happens to be a Tory, strongly in favour of Brexit, and an ardent monarchist. He's also not very bright - good to see the government not trusting experts. Who's next - Wayne Rooney as trade envoy to France?

    Apparently, the Australian government is considering appointing Shane Warne to the reciprocal position.

    Peter Shilton - trade envoy to Argentina
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,277

    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    DougSeal said:

    BBC News - Boardmasters: 4,700 Covid cases 'may be linked' to Newquay festival
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-58309660

    Controversial and unpopular opinion - 4,700 teens and early 20 somethings catching Covid is not necessarily that bad of a thing.
    Exactly. @FrancisUrquhart is regressing to his curtain twitching days.
    I made no curtain twitching-esque comment on this story, just linked to it....as it has been suggested by others on here that they wondered if boardmasters caused the big spike in cases in the SW and now the authorities are saying they think so.
    Pretty impressive result for Delta considering 4700 is nearly 10% of the attendees, and they all had to have a lateral flow test before and during.
    Although you wonder we’ll enforced the tests were. I did one to attend a chilli festival. Took a photo with me. No one checked.
    Julia HB claimed iirc on radio this morning that one could claim to have done a LFT test at home and it was negative and the email would come to you to wave at people to gain entry. Without ever doing the test at all.

    No idea if this is true.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,728
    Cookie said:

    Foxy said:

    theProle said:

    MaxPB said:

    This is completely insane. It's been suggested that people can do regular antibody tests instead of getting a third dose. What a waste of everyone's time and money. Just start giving them out you idiots. We have them and people want them. Fucking get on with it.

    Surely there would be no reason to do tests on the whole population. Logically you do a sample and model it, if you see waning immunity in a section of the population you just give them boosters.

    Presumably the combination of vaccination and boosting by mild infection will make those infections milder and milder over time. I'd probably rate my current illness 3-4 out of ten where 1 is no symptoms, 10 is death, 8-9 ICU, 6-7 is hospitalisation.

    I'd hope with the combination of this infection and a second jab in about a months time my next infection if it ever happens will be in the 1-2 range.

    Out of interest, given I've not actually booked my second dose, any wisdom on how long to hold off to maximise its effects? I was going to go for 10-12 weeks from the first dose as that seems optimal, but I'm wondering if having just reved my immune system up with an infection I should attempt to hold out longer.
    I think that the vaccine should not be given within 4 weeks of infection.
    Is this for the benefit of the patient, or is it a belt-and-braces don't-bring-infectious-people-into-the-vaccination-centre approach?
    I think for the patient.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,031
    edited August 2021
    theProle said:

    I see that the utter, unmitigated lunacy of requiring new 'UKCA' certification, and not recognising CE marks, has been postponed for a full year:

    https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1429844646088282120

    Let's hope some vague semblance of sanity leaks in to government during that time and that we abandon the entire brain-dead idea of UKCA - a remarkable example of a policy with not a single merit and with massive demerits, both for our manufacturers (for whom it's just extra, completely pointless, red tape) and for consumers (for whom it will reduce choice and increase costs).

    Its not lunacy. A lot of CE marks are buearcratic and hard to obtain, whilst also often failing to achieve what is intended. This is particularly true if you ever have to implement one in France, but it was getting that way in the UK too.

    Certainly in my industry (I'm on the committee which develops all the guidance for my sector) quite a lot of people are cautiously optimistic about the possibility of divergence in sensible directions, now we'll have a governing body which is actually in reach.

    I'm still doing EU work too - my usual Notified Body has set up a brass plate in Dublin, and changed me one off costs of about £600 to duel certificate our key paperwork, which whilst a little irritating (given its only going through the photocopier) is hardly a kings ransom.
    Most CE marks are pretty easy to obtain - because it is 99.9% self certification.

    You basically submit a form, demonstrating that you used all CE certified components, and that the combination of components is not going to cause you to deviate from standards.

    FCC certification is similarly light touch.

    The only certification that is required (and this is pretty much US only) that is high touch is UL, because you need to actually pay them to test your product.

    Oh, and there will be no products sold without CE (or FCC) certification because the world doesn't work like that. Everything will be built to conform to CE, UK, FCC, UL, etc. standards. The idea that there will be products built solely for the UK market and solely conforming to UK standards is ludicrous.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,352
    Biden recovery in the polls continuing - 8 points clear of Trump in Florida, where DeSantis is lagging for Governor (though Rudio is in good shape). Interesting poll of GOP preference in Florida if choosing Trump or de Santis - Trump wins, but not by a huge margin (9).

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,370

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    DougSeal said:

    BBC News - Boardmasters: 4,700 Covid cases 'may be linked' to Newquay festival
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-58309660

    Controversial and unpopular opinion - 4,700 teens and early 20 somethings catching Covid is not necessarily that bad of a thing.
    Exactly. @FrancisUrquhart is regressing to his curtain twitching days.
    I made no curtain twitching-esque comment on this story, just linked to it....as it has been suggested by others on here that they wondered if boardmasters caused the big spike in cases in the SW and now the authorities are saying they think so.
    And I repeat my question - so what?
    It is simply highlighting that authorities appear to confirm what posters on here have suggested as to why SW saw a big spike. As we do with lots of other covid related stuff.

    I am not really sure what your issue is with that.
    Yes but so what? Normal life resumes and as per the Cheltenham/Central Line March 2020 discussions if you have normal life then you can't point your finger and tut at any one event.
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    theProletheProle Posts: 948
    edited August 2021
    Foxy said:

    theProle said:

    MaxPB said:

    This is completely insane. It's been suggested that people can do regular antibody tests instead of getting a third dose. What a waste of everyone's time and money. Just start giving them out you idiots. We have them and people want them. Fucking get on with it.

    Surely there would be no reason to do tests on the whole population. Logically you do a sample and model it, if you see waning immunity in a section of the population you just give them boosters.

    Presumably the combination of vaccination and boosting by mild infection will make those infections milder and milder over time. I'd probably rate my current illness 3-4 out of ten where 1 is no symptoms, 10 is death, 8-9 ICU, 6-7 is hospitalisation.

    I'd hope with the combination of this infection and a second jab in about a months time my next infection if it ever happens will be in the 1-2 range.

    Out of interest, given I've not actually booked my second dose, any wisdom on how long to hold off to maximise its effects? I was going to go for 10-12 weeks from the first dose as that seems optimal, but I'm wondering if having just reved my immune system up with an infection I should attempt to hold out longer.
    I think that the vaccine should not be given within 4 weeks of infection.
    Is there a actual reason for this, or just no data because it was excluded in all the studies?

    I'm currently 5 weeks in from my first jab. I'd originally intended to go for my second in 5-7 weeks time to maximise immunity, since that appears to be what the data says.

    I'm wondering if I should be pushing the 2nd dose out to 8-10 weeks from now, if that acts like increasing the gap between doses to maximise immunity. I know prior infection followed by two doses of pfizer gives close to the strongest possible immunity - I'd imagine that getting the infection in the middle probably also works quite well.

    I've no desire to have this again, and I'm very lucky it struck when it did - I buying out a division of my employer in the middle of next month, and ten days isolation when the business is most vulnerable could take us down. I'm kind of surprised it's taken this long catch it to be honest - I'm been all over the place* working with loads of different people for the entirely of the Covid crisis (other than the first month).

    *I literally wore out a set of brand new tyres in the long lockdown; they went on just before Christmas and needed changing at Easter
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,897
    edited August 2021
    Must commend the ballsiness of the paralympic ad campaign 'It's ok, you can stare'.
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    squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,363
    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    It's confusing for outsiders because the tube station is "High Street Kensington" and the official name of the road is "Kensington High Street".

    In all the long history of PB, has there been a more pointless argument than this?

    Silly season rules OK!
    As someone who spent the first 27 yrs of my life as a Londoner. Its Kensington High Street and the tube is High Street Ken.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,080
    edited August 2021

    Biden recovery in the polls continuing - 8 points clear of Trump in Florida, where DeSantis is lagging for Governor (though Rudio is in good shape). Interesting poll of GOP preference in Florida if choosing Trump or de Santis - Trump wins, but not by a huge margin (9).

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/

    That poll was taken from August 8th-10th ie before the Afghanistan withdrawal led to the fall of Kabul to the Taliban.

    Biden's approval under 50% now in most polls
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,320
    edited August 2021

    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    DougSeal said:

    BBC News - Boardmasters: 4,700 Covid cases 'may be linked' to Newquay festival
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-58309660

    Controversial and unpopular opinion - 4,700 teens and early 20 somethings catching Covid is not necessarily that bad of a thing.
    Exactly. @FrancisUrquhart is regressing to his curtain twitching days.
    I made no curtain twitching-esque comment on this story, just linked to it....as it has been suggested by others on here that they wondered if boardmasters caused the big spike in cases in the SW and now the authorities are saying they think so.
    Pretty impressive result for Delta considering 4700 is nearly 10% of the attendees, and they all had to have a lateral flow test before and during.
    Although you wonder we’ll enforced the tests were. I did one to attend a chilli festival. Took a photo with me. No one checked.
    Julia HB claimed iirc on radio this morning that one could claim to have done a LFT test at home and it was negative and the email would come to you to wave at people to gain entry. Without ever doing the test at all.

    No idea if this is true.
    Yes. All you need is an actual LFT, for the barcode, because while you scan the barcode you enter the result you don’t scan it.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited August 2021
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    DougSeal said:

    BBC News - Boardmasters: 4,700 Covid cases 'may be linked' to Newquay festival
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-58309660

    Controversial and unpopular opinion - 4,700 teens and early 20 somethings catching Covid is not necessarily that bad of a thing.
    Exactly. @FrancisUrquhart is regressing to his curtain twitching days.
    I made no curtain twitching-esque comment on this story, just linked to it....as it has been suggested by others on here that they wondered if boardmasters caused the big spike in cases in the SW and now the authorities are saying they think so.
    And I repeat my question - so what?
    It is simply highlighting that authorities appear to confirm what posters on here have suggested as to why SW saw a big spike. As we do with lots of other covid related stuff.

    I am not really sure what your issue is with that.
    Yes but so what? Normal life resumes and as per the Cheltenham/Central Line March 2020 discussions if you have normal life then you can't point your finger and tut at any one event.
    No one is pointing fingers and tutting.

    We saw a spike in the data, people went i reckon it was that festival, and the authorities say it looks like it was...case closed.

    One thing that is probably worth noting, being outside isn't the invincibility shield against delta as it was against the original version....even more reason to get vaccinated.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,728

    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    DougSeal said:

    BBC News - Boardmasters: 4,700 Covid cases 'may be linked' to Newquay festival
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-58309660

    Controversial and unpopular opinion - 4,700 teens and early 20 somethings catching Covid is not necessarily that bad of a thing.
    Exactly. @FrancisUrquhart is regressing to his curtain twitching days.
    I made no curtain twitching-esque comment on this story, just linked to it....as it has been suggested by others on here that they wondered if boardmasters caused the big spike in cases in the SW and now the authorities are saying they think so.
    Pretty impressive result for Delta considering 4700 is nearly 10% of the attendees, and they all had to have a lateral flow test before and during.
    Although you wonder we’ll enforced the tests were. I did one to attend a chilli festival. Took a photo with me. No one checked.
    Julia HB claimed iirc on radio this morning that one could claim to have done a LFT test at home and it was negative and the email would come to you to wave at people to gain entry. Without ever doing the test at all.

    No idea if this is true.
    You need to enter the number on the LFT to get the email, but yes as it is a self declaration anyone can lie if they want to do so.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,343
    kle4 said:

    TimT said:

    TOPPING said:

    BBC News - Boardmasters: 4,700 Covid cases 'may be linked' to Newquay festival
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-58309660

    So what?
    Moon may fall into earth.
    When, damn it?! Must I pay for future posts to find out?
    When my son was in L2 he asked him primary school teacher why the moon did not fall into the earth. Her answer was because it was heavy! At 6 my son was wanting to know if he could take anything she said seriously. I wasn't sure.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,897
    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    DougSeal said:

    BBC News - Boardmasters: 4,700 Covid cases 'may be linked' to Newquay festival
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-58309660

    Controversial and unpopular opinion - 4,700 teens and early 20 somethings catching Covid is not necessarily that bad of a thing.
    Exactly. @FrancisUrquhart is regressing to his curtain twitching days.
    I made no curtain twitching-esque comment on this story, just linked to it....as it has been suggested by others on here that they wondered if boardmasters caused the big spike in cases in the SW and now the authorities are saying they think so.
    Pretty impressive result for Delta considering 4700 is nearly 10% of the attendees, and they all had to have a lateral flow test before and during.
    Although you wonder we’ll enforced the tests were. I did one to attend a chilli festival. Took a photo with me. No one checked.
    Julia HB claimed iirc on radio this morning that one could claim to have done a LFT test at home and it was negative and the email would come to you to wave at people to gain entry. Without ever doing the test at all.

    No idea if this is true.
    Yes. All you need is an actual LFT, for the barcode, because while you scan the barcode you enter the result you don’t scan it.
    Well, no measures will ever be perfect for those who set out to break/ignore them. Like those unbendable phones which people then showed could be bend...so long as you applied intense pressure deliberately to bend them, rather than the assumption no one would intentionally do that.
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,796

    Botham's appointment as trade envoy to Australia smacks of celebrity government rather than a meritocracy. A great cricketer. Also happens to be a Tory, strongly in favour of Brexit, and an ardent monarchist. He's also not very bright - good to see the government not trusting experts. Who's next - Wayne Rooney as trade envoy to France?

    Apparently, the Australian government is considering appointing Shane Warne to the reciprocal position.

    He's as you say. I think it's quite a good appointment and I think the Aussies will like it too.

    These roles are just figureheads. There is some slight scope for them to do more though, and Botham may just do that.

    We're after all giving them our best man to talk to.

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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,277
    edited August 2021
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    DougSeal said:

    BBC News - Boardmasters: 4,700 Covid cases 'may be linked' to Newquay festival
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-58309660

    Controversial and unpopular opinion - 4,700 teens and early 20 somethings catching Covid is not necessarily that bad of a thing.
    Exactly. @FrancisUrquhart is regressing to his curtain twitching days.
    I made no curtain twitching-esque comment on this story, just linked to it....as it has been suggested by others on here that they wondered if boardmasters caused the big spike in cases in the SW and now the authorities are saying they think so.
    Pretty impressive result for Delta considering 4700 is nearly 10% of the attendees, and they all had to have a lateral flow test before and during.
    Although you wonder we’ll enforced the tests were. I did one to attend a chilli festival. Took a photo with me. No one checked.
    Julia HB claimed iirc on radio this morning that one could claim to have done a LFT test at home and it was negative and the email would come to you to wave at people to gain entry. Without ever doing the test at all.

    No idea if this is true.
    You need to enter the number on the LFT to get the email, but yes as it is a self declaration anyone can lie if they want to do so.
    I can see a tiny, weeny flaw in this. Especially if you are 18 and all your mates are going to the xxx concert.
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