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Getting into a culture war with the RNLI looks pretty dumb – politicalbetting.com
Getting into a culture war with the RNLI looks pretty dumb – politicalbetting.com
Of all the institutions in the UK to get into a fight with then the RNLI is surely the one ministers would be best advised to keep well away from.
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Meanwhile, there's a brilliant, blistering, attack on the Conservatives by Alister Heath in today's Daily Telegraph.
All pb tories should read this:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/07/28/rudderless-labour-lite-tories-face-autumn-political-carnage/
Yes, it's behind a paywall but they're offering 3 months for £1 at which point you can just cancel.
Pasting the article is a seriously bad idea.
I suggest you contact administrators and ask them to delete your breach of copyright.
Deep pockets may otherwise be required.
They allow half a dozen free articles anyway. The publicity for their subscription trial will probably make them more than happy.
It is not in your gift to make that assumption. And it is wrong.
Free articles require a sign up.
Breach of copyright is black and white. Your personal introduction of your interpretation is wrong and dangerous to the site owner.
You have no right to knowingly put him in jeopardy.
There's another piece in today's Telegraph suggesting we may now be at, or very close to, the holy grail of herd immunity. The suggestion is that the Euros may have helped speed up that process. The argument relies on a combination of vaccination and antibodies from infection. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/28/britain-may-finally-nearing-holy-grail-herd-immunity/
I remain cautious about this idea. Even when the current cohort of single jabbed have received their second doses, there will still be 1/3rd of the UK population un-vaccinated. I continue to have concerns (following the World Health Organisation) that we may be creating the perfect breeding grounds for the virus, including mutations. We need to press on with vaccinating younger groups, including under-18's.
Bacon, Lettuce and Tomato re-stacked?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/28/many-variables-neil-ferguson-making-covid-claims-confidently/
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1420341425452027905
Hypervigilance is a state of increased alertness. If you’re in a state of hypervigilance, you’re extremely sensitive to your surroundings. It can make you feel like you’re alert to any hidden dangers, whether from other people or the environment. Often, though, these dangers are not real.
It's one of the untold damages of this pandemic and something which can cause a raft of associated health issues.
It is "categorismus" to describe the process of making something seem real by putting a name to it.
Have you contacted site adim yet?
Patel needs to deal with this
The athletics programme starts tomorrow. Oh dear.
https://www.aphis.usda.gov/aphis/newsroom/stakeholder-info/stakeholder-messages/wildlife-damage-news/deer-sars
A member of my extended family is a lifeboat crew member in another country; his father describes the situation as 'his alarm goes and he's off out. Immediately!"
Yes, lifeboatmen do meet idiots who should never have gone to sea. That doesn't mean they should be left to drown.
So the traitor Patel comes up with a wheeze. Draft a bill that leaves RNLI crews on the hook. Refuse to engage with critics, "it won't do that" when the bill clearly will. Show just enough support for the "drown the forrin" Tory supporters and hope the row makes people think anyone backing the RNLI are soft on migration.
I hope it has backfired. Rescuing drowning migrants is not a play in their faux culture war. It is literal life and death, and highlights just how grotesque some of them are. A Tory Party that wanted to prosecute the RNLI for rescuing drowning children? "Not a good look"
Yes, there is little point being in government if your sole purpose is to be in government, but surely the hack who wrote this would prefer a change at the top and some competence at least as much as a change at the top and the reincarnation of Peter Lilley and his list of undesirables.
The legislation is poorly drafted if there is uncertainty. It has not been through the revision process yet. The government has been completely clear that it is not their intention to criminalise the RNLI
And yet you keep stating it’s because Priti Patel is an evil grotesque racist.
Evidence?
The only way the boat crossings stop, is if the demand goes away. It’s clear that the French government doesn’t care, and is turning a blind eye to people eager to leave France to live in a safe country. We need to take the Denmark route, of facilitating settlement in a safe third country, and let it be known that anyone arriving by boat from France will be resettled elsewhere.
There is reportedly evidence to suggest the deadly virus could spread through people farting in confined spaces such as a toilet.
My son has his call monitor with him 24/7
So, is planning good or bad? The author doesn’t know.
Latest line from the Covidiots:
More and more reports from the frontline in the US that delta affects children more severely, with more needing hospitalisation and ICU care. We need to be very careful about letting this virus spread among the young. And we must protect our adolescents with vaccines.
https://twitter.com/dgurdasani1/status/1420622608257662985?s=20
Is Denmark getting a reduction in asylum seekers? Or do they get processed more quickly than here? In any event, apparently treated more humanely than appears to be the case in UK?
I know that you are bit of a political Janus. Officially Not A Tory but considered a man of both influence and reputation within the highest ranks of the Tory Party. So you want to defend your friends. Fine. It is your opinion that your friends would never do such a horrible thing. It is my opinion that they have. You have no evidence either old love, so wind it in.
"Now we go to the finals of the 100m and an interview with the 7th place NZ runner..."
Not to be beaten by the Leicester Mercury who once led with the headline:
"Bali bombing death toll reaches 200, Leicester family's holiday ruined"
As that isn't very realistic then plan B - share the burden. Refugees can be distributed out amongst safe countries by agreement. But as its Britain Uber Alles these days we will enter no such agreement. Not that we need to considering we only get a small number of refugees anyway.
Then we have Plan C. Make it so awful for refugees that the word gets to them not to come. Hence the "Drown the Migrants" bill.
As has previously been mentioned over the last few weeks, this anomaly will be addressed as the bill progresses through the HOC
And yet No won...
Trying to find a link that isn’t screaming about the system one way or the other is difficult, this most impartial one I can quickly find.
https://metro.co.uk/2021/06/28/migrants-who-want-to-come-to-uk-may-be-sent-to-processing-centres-in-africa-14836904/
Personally, I think there's a very good solution - simply criminalise the act of bringing these assylum seekers into the UK. The RNLI has a moral duty to rescue anyone in peril, but they could just as easily deposit them in France.
Not fine to act without an evidence base.
Though one suspects that most of the farting here is from the Carry On Journalists.
However, conversely I've seen a letter from Ms Patel, on the Electoral ID Bill, in which she says, inter alia, that
"The list of approved photographic identification will not be limited to passports and driving licences. A broad range of documents will be accepted, including, for example, various concessionary travel passes, Proof of Age Standards Scheme (PASS) cards and photocard parking permits issued as part of the Blue Badge scheme......
In addition, expired photographic ID will be accepted as long as the photograph is of a good enough likeness to allow polling station staff to confirm the identity of the holder."
I think the last sentence in particular is less 'illiberal' than we were led to expect by some at least on here.
Still don't like the basic idea. Not when nothing is being done about postal voting.
Viz could get a few “Bottom Inspectors” scripts out of that.
If they are in our waters they are our responsibility. We used to believe in basic human decency - this bill would make the Kinder transport rescuing Jewish children from the Nazis illegal. How about we offer refugees a fair chance. Put the money into processing them quickly. Deport quickly the false ones, welcome quickly the genuine ones.
For years our treatment of Asylum Seekers has fuelled the problem - they can't work legally, they can't survive on the pittance handed out in vouchers so of course they go into the black economy. Change that, remove the black economy problem, process their claims quickly. If England doesn't want them we'll have them in Scotland.
A quick google check brings up similar stories from April 2020 see https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/23/fact-check-no-evidence-passing-gas-spreads-covid-19/5152813002/ which highlight that there is little knowledge regarding flatulence and it's impact on spreading diseases.
It's worth saying there won't be any as even in 2020 the general consensus was that large particles (such as Covid) could not be spread via air as the particles were too big to travel any distance beyond about 1m. Remember this science "fact" was based on a 1950/60s survey that was based on false assumptions but had been cited so often it was assumed to be accurate.
So it may be true, however there will be no evidence one way or the other and I really don't want to be part of any trial.
The question is what does this have to do with the RNLI? I think their concern is that if they pick people up in distress in the channel and bring them ashore they could now be caught by the legislation. The government is clear that this is rescue work, not "assisting illegal immigration". This is so obviously so that I am frankly a bit suspicious that the person or persons raising the alarm has another agenda.
On a separate point I agree with those criticising @Cocky_cockney for copying and pasting the latest Heath drivel in its entirety. Mike has had letters from lawyers about this before and has been clear that we should not do it. It really should be removed.
So I assume via the lack of apology and a lack of any promise to rewrite the law to provide a fix for the RNLI that the intention is to retain the law as is for dodgy reasons.
If she was a Tory she would understand the special place charities like the RNLI hold in society. Most other states fund these rescue services through taxation, but not the UK. The RNLI must be one of the most British institutions around.
What next for Patel? Legislating to hinder the monarch in her core duties?
As for the idea that the Danes pay Rwanda for settled migrants, for how long? Imagine the headlines here "Your Taxpayers fund foreigners living abroad" - whatever agreement we managed to make with Madagascar would be torn up at the next budget review. "We negotiated and signed this deal, but we had no idea that it meant we had to keep paying".
We know where "lets deport them somewhere else" came from. Its truly shameful that we have people advocating Nazi policies and yes that includes the idiots in the Danish government.
All the government needs to do is say "this is a drafting issue, we will revise it when the bill comes to parliament". Instead Patel smirks and says nothing. It is no error.
As we all know, he who smelled it dealt it...
Polybius: substantial amount at the end of book four/start of book five missing regarding war in Greece, particularly the early career of Philip V (of Macedon). Interested to see, however, what the Penguin has which Oxford (containing the aforementioned Greek stuff) does not.
Quite interesting to read the two books roughly at the same time (I'm using the Penguin version as my 'main' read but filling in blanks with the Oxford where applicable).
Maybe it is already happening - see C&A.
If it isn’t then perhaps he has a point
But anything which encourages better ventilation of public loos isn't a bad thing,
At least some of them like Scotland enough to live there...
The pot of charitable funding is not infinitely elastic, so why are we all cheering donations to an appallingly rich institution dedicated to smoothing the way of well heeled tossers who cannot read a tide table or work a diesel engine?
What is depressing is the state of the comments under it. Somebody’s obviously reposted it on an anti-vax forum and a load of utter shitheads - no other word will suffice - have turned up with a load of nasty and dishonest claims trying to refute the article.
As they are unable to do so it being founded on these things called ‘facts,’ they resort to nasty personal abuse. Thoroughly unedifying.
Contrarian is clearly the rule not the exception with such people.
1. Allow them to settle in the U.K.?
2. Deport them back to the safe country they came from (France or Belgium)?
3. Process them offshore and allow the genuine refugees somewhere to live in a safe country?
If we go with 1, should I buy a dingy and push my wife off the beach at Calais? Because that would save me shedloads of time and money, compared to trying to arrange legal migration through the proper channels.
As the NAO reported, the correct route was via the VIP lane with dedicated email access to ministers. The actual PPE companies missed out, with contracts awarded to Tory donors and friends some of whom had only just set up a PPE company. Hence it going to the High Court.
"nothing illegal" is always your refrain. Fine, its just fabulously coincidental that (as an example) the leading suppliers got tiny contracts and people like that Tory councillor got hundreds of millions in contracts and didn't even supply the goods with no questions asked.