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  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 13,766

    Starmer to oppose vaxports.

    I am a bit surprised. A quick, clean decision.

    Or will he dither later?

    He was looking pretty confident in PMQs today. I still think people are underestimating him. His faltering start reminds me a bit of Cameron when everyone wrote him off.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,836
    TOPPING said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Labour would introduce mandatory testing now for entry to nightclubs, not delay until September

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1417872566790901774?s=20

    A negative test doesn't mean you don't have covid.
    I would be interested to know the accuracy of LFTs. As administered by the people.

    Anecdotally it is pretty poor. Or the administration of the test is poor. Whichever, plenty of LFTs said negative, PCR said positive stories.
    The chance of a false negative on a LFT is pretty huge. In addition you can fake a -ve result very easily. The NHS site asks you to input your own result !
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,603
    Mortimer said:

    MaxPB said:

    Keir Starmer will now be told off for "playing politics".

    But absolutely right to oppose this stupid idea

    His replacement idea is worse, though. He's suggested testing passports instead of vaccine passports. If I had to choose one or the other I'd absolutely prefer vaccine passports as I loathe sticking the swab up my nose and it would rely on trusting people to actually do the test. I can open up a LFT, register it as negative without doing it and it would show up on the NHS app as green for entry to events.

    The only way to police a testing based passport is to have testing on site which will mean 20 minute waiting times to enter a venue, now multiply that by 60,000 fans going to watch Spurs vs Arsenal.
    You don't even need to open a test up....
    You need the code to register it which is on the stick thing.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518

    Starmer to oppose vaxports.

    I am a bit surprised. A quick, clean decision.

    Or will he dither later?

    I don't think his alternative suggestion is going to last very long before it quietly gets dropped.
    He’s trying to triangulate. Johnson made the reasonable point (if approaching from a “fairness” perspective that you can’t introduce vaxports if people, particularly the clubbing age group haven’t had a chance to get them.

    By opposing vaxports SKS is even agreeing and taking the fairness argument to the extreme (unfair to ban people who opt against vaccines). So he’s produced an “equal opportunities policy”, which has the “advantage” that it can be introduced immediately. Trouble is it is either totally impractical (testing on entry) or easily evaded (self certification).
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,706
    Labour now confirm they are not ruling out backing passports for nightclubs and big venues after all, seems they would just add mandatory testing too

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1417871104387989507?s=20
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195

    Keir Starmer will now be told off for "playing politics".

    But absolutely right to oppose this stupid idea

    Oppose a stupid idea by proposing an even more stupid idea .......

    Classic Starmer tbf
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,921
    MaxPB said:

    Mortimer said:

    MaxPB said:

    Keir Starmer will now be told off for "playing politics".

    But absolutely right to oppose this stupid idea

    His replacement idea is worse, though. He's suggested testing passports instead of vaccine passports. If I had to choose one or the other I'd absolutely prefer vaccine passports as I loathe sticking the swab up my nose and it would rely on trusting people to actually do the test. I can open up a LFT, register it as negative without doing it and it would show up on the NHS app as green for entry to events.

    The only way to police a testing based passport is to have testing on site which will mean 20 minute waiting times to enter a venue, now multiply that by 60,000 fans going to watch Spurs vs Arsenal.
    You don't even need to open a test up....
    You need the code to register it which is on the stick thing.
    Didn't when I did my Wimbledon one....
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited July 2021

    Starmer to oppose vaxports.

    I am a bit surprised. A quick, clean decision.

    Or will he dither later?

    He was looking pretty confident in PMQs today. I still think people are underestimating him. His faltering start reminds me a bit of Cameron when everyone wrote him off.
    Well he continually manages to stick his foot in it....

    Opposing vax passports, I can see the political capital in that, smart move....business doesn't like the extra cost / hassle and individuals very iffy about their health status, the fact we live in a liberal democracy etc...

    No no, what we want is everybody has to test every time they go out....so what you have done there is taken an even more costly position for business and the country, and which is even more fundamentally illiberal.

    Man's a genius.

    I think a decent comparison it to look at Hunt, a very Cameron politician. He waits, thinks about the situation, then on a number of occasions make valid criticism of the government and make a sensible suggestion e.g. schools open for key workers, close care homes to general visits when cases were rising.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,603
    alex_ said:

    MaxPB said:

    Keir Starmer will now be told off for "playing politics".

    But absolutely right to oppose this stupid idea

    His replacement idea is worse, though. He's suggested testing passports instead of vaccine passports. If I had to choose one or the other I'd absolutely prefer vaccine passports as I loathe sticking the swab up my nose and it would rely on trusting people to actually do the test. I can open up a LFT, register it as negative without doing it and it would show up on the NHS app as green for entry to events.

    The only way to police a testing based passport is to have testing on site which will mean 20 minute waiting times to enter a venue, now multiply that by 60,000 fans going to watch Spurs vs Arsenal.
    And anyway, aren’t many of the concerns about large football matches related to travel to and from the ground? Actually in the stadium the risks are much reduced (outside, not much intermixing etc). So if the testing is at the ground then by the time the positive test comes in it’s too late anyway. You’ve already infected everyone in the train and in the queue!

    Whereas at least with the vaxports idea, people wouldn’t bother travelling in the first place.
    Yes indeed. One of the primary vectors of spreading due to schools pre delta was actually parents outside the schools gates. The 10pm curfew is another example of this where suddenly a lot of people who don't know whether they have it are put onto the same streets and tightly packed tube trains.

    I'm not a fan of vaccine passports and I'm also pretty sure the intention is to get 4-5m out of the 7m unvaccinated under 40s to go and get vaccinated ASAP. A testing passport would be useless, better to have nothing at all.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,688
    There's this floated lunatic idea that there might be LD voters. (It's clearly clerical error.)
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,544
    .

    Good thread on pros & cons of vaccinating children:

    https://twitter.com/PaulNuki/status/1417556793014816768?s=20

    TLDR - why should we put non vulnerable children at risk of side effects to protect adults too thick to get vaccinated themselves ?

    Doesn't discuss the significantly higher risk of myocarditis in boys as compared to girls. There's a strong argument, on grounds of relative risk of vaccination vs getting Covid, favouring vaccination of the latter.
  • MaffewMaffew Posts: 235

    DougSeal said:

    Gnud said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    2m
    Boris says it's "common sense" to let people cram into nightclubs for ten weeks before demanding a Covid passport. It's a view.

    Just close nightclubs forever FFS. "Changed world" and all that. It's not a huge price to pay. I'm fed up with hearing representatives of "the nightclub industry" say nightclubs should open without restrictions. They would say that, wouldn't they? I'm almost as fed up with them as I am with politicians who imply that nightclubs are what every youngster wants, or that most people's main form of socialisation is going down the pub.

    “Not a huge price to pay”. Nice.
    Perhaps Gnud wants to bring back illegal raves in fields.
    Anybody over thirty who is personally glad that nightclubs are opening needs to have a long hard look in the mirror.

    If you are under thirty, that’s fine: I’m happy for you.
    I haven't set foot in a club in at least five years and haven't done it regularly in ten. I'm still pleased for younger people that they can go.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    Floater said:
    There’s a difference between return to “normal” and “never recover” though. The London of 2019 was not the London of 2009. Or 1979. Or 1909...

    London adapts. It always has and it always will.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,001
    Floater said:

    Keir Starmer will now be told off for "playing politics".

    But absolutely right to oppose this stupid idea

    Oppose a stupid idea by proposing an even more stupid idea .......

    Classic Starmer tbf
    Seems Labour are not ruling passports out now

    Utter shambles
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,038

    TOPPING said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Labour would introduce mandatory testing now for entry to nightclubs, not delay until September

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1417872566790901774?s=20

    A negative test doesn't mean you don't have covid.
    I would be interested to know the accuracy of LFTs. As administered by the people.

    Anecdotally it is pretty poor. Or the administration of the test is poor. Whichever, plenty of LFTs said negative, PCR said positive stories.
    That applies to my lad. A string of negative LFTs, a positive PCR, and more negative LFTs.


    "...unlike PCR tests, lateral flow tests cannot detect very low levels of coronavirus in a sample. This means the test may not give a positive result if you have only recently been infected; are in the incubation period; or if you have mostly recovered.

    The accuracy of lateral flow tests is also dependent on the person who does the test. Training of supervisors at lateral flow test sites and regular use of the tests will help to mitigate this, as people become more proficient in using lateral flow tests."


    https://pharmaceutical-journal.com/article/feature/how-reliable-are-lateral-flow-covid-19-tests


    One of the issues with the PCR (as has been debated a lot!) is how many cycles used and whether actually they end up in some cases picking up inactive viral material.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 24,583

    Starmer to oppose vaxports.

    I am a bit surprised. A quick, clean decision.

    Or will he dither later?

    He was looking pretty confident in PMQs today. I still think people are underestimating him. His faltering start reminds me a bit of Cameron when everyone wrote him off.
    The difference? Cameron never had BJO on his back though did he?

    Compare and contrast the hapless Starmer with the ever gorgeous Richard Burgon today in Parliament.The past versus the future!
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,122
    HYUFD said:

    Labour now confirm they are not ruling out backing passports for nightclubs and big venues after all, seems they would just add mandatory testing too

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1417871104387989507?s=20

    ROFLMFAOWMLITA!!!!!
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818

    Starmer to oppose vaxports.

    I am a bit surprised. A quick, clean decision.

    Or will he dither later?

    Already is. No need to wait.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274

    Floater said:

    Keir Starmer will now be told off for "playing politics".

    But absolutely right to oppose this stupid idea

    Oppose a stupid idea by proposing an even more stupid idea .......

    Classic Starmer tbf
    Seems Labour are not ruling passports out now

    Utter shambles
    I think they just opened up twitter and seen the reaction....its was yeahhhhh they are opposing vax passports, what testing, every time....what an idiot.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    felix said:

    HYUFD said:

    Labour now confirm they are not ruling out backing passports for nightclubs and big venues after all, seems they would just add mandatory testing too

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1417871104387989507?s=20

    ROFLMFAOWMLITA!!!!!
    Crickey thats even faster than a Boris U-Turn....
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,001
    Maffew said:

    DougSeal said:

    Gnud said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    2m
    Boris says it's "common sense" to let people cram into nightclubs for ten weeks before demanding a Covid passport. It's a view.

    Just close nightclubs forever FFS. "Changed world" and all that. It's not a huge price to pay. I'm fed up with hearing representatives of "the nightclub industry" say nightclubs should open without restrictions. They would say that, wouldn't they? I'm almost as fed up with them as I am with politicians who imply that nightclubs are what every youngster wants, or that most people's main form of socialisation is going down the pub.

    “Not a huge price to pay”. Nice.
    Perhaps Gnud wants to bring back illegal raves in fields.
    Anybody over thirty who is personally glad that nightclubs are opening needs to have a long hard look in the mirror.

    If you are under thirty, that’s fine: I’m happy for you.
    I haven't set foot in a club in at least five years and haven't done it regularly in ten. I'm still pleased for younger people that they can go.
    Now here is an admission

    In my 77 years I have never been to a night club
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,392
    DougSeal said:

    Gnud said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    2m
    Boris says it's "common sense" to let people cram into nightclubs for ten weeks before demanding a Covid passport. It's a view.

    Just close nightclubs forever FFS. "Changed world" and all that. It's not a huge price to pay. I'm fed up with hearing representatives of "the nightclub industry" say nightclubs should open without restrictions. They would say that, wouldn't they? I'm almost as fed up with them as I am with politicians who imply that nightclubs are what every youngster wants, or that most people's main form of socialisation is going down the pub.

    “Not a huge price to pay”. Nice.
    We have shut down the pits, the shipyards and most of the steel works.

    A few nightclubs are neither here nor there.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    I wonder who SKS expects to do the testing (if not self certified, but done on entry). I wonder if clubs may accidentally employ a lot of “testers” on minimum wage who unfortunately aren’t particularly skilled at doing the testing procedure correctly, but are quite good at saying the words “it’s negative”.

    After all who’s going to volunteer for sticking a swab up a slightly inebriated individuals nose at 10pm?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,038

    Starmer to oppose vaxports.

    I am a bit surprised. A quick, clean decision.

    Or will he dither later?

    Already is. No need to wait.

    I am shocked.

    Hopeless. I am really losing patience with the guy.
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    Our government cannot properly govern.

    Our opposition cannot properly oppose.

  • felixfelix Posts: 15,122
    Looks like the core vote will be staying in bed after a night out on the lash!
  • What a shambles from Labour
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 24,583
    I get the impression TeamPBBoris are ready for a "Starmer is crap" header again.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited July 2021
    alex_ said:

    I wonder who SKS expects to do the testing (if not self certified, but done on entry). I wonder if clubs may accidentally employ a lot of “testers” on minimum wage who unfortunately aren’t particularly skilled at doing the testing procedure correctly, but are quite good at saying the words “it’s negative”.

    After all who’s going to volunteer for sticking a swab up a slightly inebriated individuals nose at 10pm?

    They clearly haven't thought it through in the slightest.

    I thought he was supposed to have a super new and improved top team. Did nobody work this idea through to the logical conclusions before blurting it out?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    Bolton Boycott has got his 100 against India.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 7,979
    edited July 2021

    Barnesian said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    It’s time to finish off the wine cellar

    One of the most depressing programmes I saw was the documentary on Dignitas. They interviewed some old bloke with MND who was there to kill himself and was, of course, compos mentis, as you have to be. And his wife, when they were sitting there waiting for the nurse to come in with the deadly cocktail, said something like, you have a lovely wine cellar at home for people to enjoy...

    And I thought why not go home that minute, spend another two months drinking the fucking wine cellar yourself then get back to Switzerland if you must.
    Perhaps because he was in pain, or because in a few months he might not be compos mentis enough, or physically able, to travel?

    We really need to have a strong debate over end-of-life in this country. Thousands of people are suffering when they don't want to suffer. But it is a moral and practical minefield.
    Oh definitely. In this case, he didn't seem in pain but he also seemed the type not to show it. It just seemed so agonising.
    End of life often is.

    As an aside, I'm currently reading Katie Mack's excellent "The end of everything". It's not about how life ends, or the Earth, or even the solar system. It's about how the universe ends. And according to at least one of the competing theories, it could happen at any moment.

    When I was a teenager, a book by a Russian physicist (whose name I've annoyingly forgotten) on this subject frightened me intensely. It's only got grimmer - even if most scenarios are billions of years away.

    Just think: the end of everything. It's heart-rending. Literally, as your heart gets ripped apart as molecules crack open, nuclei dissipate, and eventually space-time itself is destroyed. (the Big Rip).

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/End-Everything-Astrophysically-Speaking/dp/024137233X
    I have a theory that we are in a simulation run by a very advanced technology that looks to us very like God - omniscient, omnipotent, but crucially not benevolent.

    Recently I have come to the conclusion that this simulation is actually being run by a bored six year old in this very advanced civilisation, who has recently pressed the "disaster" option just for kicks. But when she gets bored, or it's bedtime, she'll simply switch it off.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/confirmed-we-live-in-a-simulation/

    Interesting article that suggest the evidence that we live in a simulation is provided by the limit on the speed of light.
    What about E = mc^2 though? If the speed of light were infinite, then you'd need an infinite amount of energy to create any mass, so stuff couldn't exist.
    Stuff doesn't really exist. It's simulated, including all the natural "laws".
  • GnudGnud Posts: 298
    Mortimer said:

    Gnud said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    2m
    Boris says it's "common sense" to let people cram into nightclubs for ten weeks before demanding a Covid passport. It's a view.

    Just close nightclubs forever FFS. "Changed world" and all that. It's not a huge price to pay. I'm fed up with hearing representatives of "the nightclub industry" say nightclubs should open without restrictions. They would say that, wouldn't they? I'm almost as fed up with them as I am with politicians who imply that nightclubs are what every youngster wants, or that most people's main form of socialisation is going down the pub.

    How about we stop the bedwetting authoritarianism and just accept the risk of infectious diseases for which we have both vaccines and treatments...
    5.3 million people are waiting for surgery on the NHS.
    But wait, some youngsters have been waiting ever so patiently to get back to their entertainment and hallucinations.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,688

    Maffew said:

    DougSeal said:

    Gnud said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    2m
    Boris says it's "common sense" to let people cram into nightclubs for ten weeks before demanding a Covid passport. It's a view.

    Just close nightclubs forever FFS. "Changed world" and all that. It's not a huge price to pay. I'm fed up with hearing representatives of "the nightclub industry" say nightclubs should open without restrictions. They would say that, wouldn't they? I'm almost as fed up with them as I am with politicians who imply that nightclubs are what every youngster wants, or that most people's main form of socialisation is going down the pub.

    “Not a huge price to pay”. Nice.
    Perhaps Gnud wants to bring back illegal raves in fields.
    Anybody over thirty who is personally glad that nightclubs are opening needs to have a long hard look in the mirror.

    If you are under thirty, that’s fine: I’m happy for you.
    I haven't set foot in a club in at least five years and haven't done it regularly in ten. I'm still pleased for younger people that they can go.
    Now here is an admission

    In my 77 years I have never been to a night club
    You haven't missed much...
    Mr Urquart is quite right. However I did rather blindly live for nightclubs at one point. Just where the girls are.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,603

    What a shambles from Labour

    It was a stupid one to oppose at least the way they went about it with just replacing the vaccine aspect with testing. I'd rather have proof of vaccine status than proof of a negative test result. I've already been through the arm deadness, no need to blight my nostrils with lateral flow swabs
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,038
    Once again it looks like LibDems will be the only opposition opposing vaxports outside of Tory rebels.

    What a dreadful official opposition we have at the moment. Just woeful.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,688

    What a shambles from Labour

    Did you send in your card?
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 7,979
    edited July 2021

    Barnesian said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    It’s time to finish off the wine cellar

    One of the most depressing programmes I saw was the documentary on Dignitas. They interviewed some old bloke with MND who was there to kill himself and was, of course, compos mentis, as you have to be. And his wife, when they were sitting there waiting for the nurse to come in with the deadly cocktail, said something like, you have a lovely wine cellar at home for people to enjoy...

    And I thought why not go home that minute, spend another two months drinking the fucking wine cellar yourself then get back to Switzerland if you must.
    Perhaps because he was in pain, or because in a few months he might not be compos mentis enough, or physically able, to travel?

    We really need to have a strong debate over end-of-life in this country. Thousands of people are suffering when they don't want to suffer. But it is a moral and practical minefield.
    Oh definitely. In this case, he didn't seem in pain but he also seemed the type not to show it. It just seemed so agonising.
    End of life often is.

    As an aside, I'm currently reading Katie Mack's excellent "The end of everything". It's not about how life ends, or the Earth, or even the solar system. It's about how the universe ends. And according to at least one of the competing theories, it could happen at any moment.

    When I was a teenager, a book by a Russian physicist (whose name I've annoyingly forgotten) on this subject frightened me intensely. It's only got grimmer - even if most scenarios are billions of years away.

    Just think: the end of everything. It's heart-rending. Literally, as your heart gets ripped apart as molecules crack open, nuclei dissipate, and eventually space-time itself is destroyed. (the Big Rip).

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/End-Everything-Astrophysically-Speaking/dp/024137233X
    I have a theory that we are in a simulation run by a very advanced technology that looks to us very like God - omniscient, omnipotent, but crucially not benevolent.

    Recently I have come to the conclusion that this simulation is actually being run by a bored six year old in this very advanced civilisation, who has recently pressed the "disaster" option just for kicks. But when she gets bored, or it's bedtime, she'll simply switch it off.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/confirmed-we-live-in-a-simulation/

    Interesting article that suggest the evidence that we live in a simulation is provided by the limit on the speed of light.
    Perhaps it is being run by the advanced being equivalent of Leon and they've just raided the wine cellar.


    I thought the correct answer was that Entropy Wins. (Statistically speaking). So everything must end up in a uniform state, forever unchanging.
    Heat death - except it's not hot.

    EDIT: I don't mean today. I mean in many trillion of years time.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,544
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    It’s time to finish off the wine cellar

    One of the most depressing programmes I saw was the documentary on Dignitas. They interviewed some old bloke with MND who was there to kill himself and was, of course, compos mentis, as you have to be. And his wife, when they were sitting there waiting for the nurse to come in with the deadly cocktail, said something like, you have a lovely wine cellar at home for people to enjoy...

    And I thought why not go home that minute, spend another two months drinking the fucking wine cellar yourself then get back to Switzerland if you must.
    Perhaps because he was in pain, or because in a few months he might not be compos mentis enough, or physically able, to travel?

    We really need to have a strong debate over end-of-life in this country. Thousands of people are suffering when they don't want to suffer. But it is a moral and practical minefield.
    Oh definitely. In this case, he didn't seem in pain but he also seemed the type not to show it. It just seemed so agonising.
    End of life often is.

    As an aside, I'm currently reading Katie Mack's excellent "The end of everything". It's not about how life ends, or the Earth, or even the solar system. It's about how the universe ends. And according to at least one of the competing theories, it could happen at any moment.

    When I was a teenager, a book by a Russian physicist (whose name I've annoyingly forgotten) on this subject frightened me intensely. It's only got grimmer - even if most scenarios are billions of years away.

    Just think: the end of everything. It's heart-rending. Literally, as your heart gets ripped apart as molecules crack open, nuclei dissipate, and eventually space-time itself is destroyed. (the Big Rip).

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/End-Everything-Astrophysically-Speaking/dp/024137233X
    TALK ABOUT COINCIDENCE!!

    OR NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Just had a cold call (!) asking about funeral plans. Before she got going I said I would like to be launched into space and my ashes scattered near Mars and, I kid you not, she said "hold on I'll just go and ask my manager" before coming back, saying "I'm afraid we don't offer that, it's just cremation or burial".

    Has right cheered me up.
    Probably part of Bezos' plans for Amazon Prime Plus, though.
    Before you get too cheery.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 24,583

    What a shambles from Labour

    I wouldn't worry too unduly. I would be surprised if anyone outside the Boris fanclub will even nolice.

    Nonetheless, not quite in the stalls for the government in waiting sweepstakes.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 7,979
    edited July 2021

    TOPPING said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Labour would introduce mandatory testing now for entry to nightclubs, not delay until September

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1417872566790901774?s=20

    A negative test doesn't mean you don't have covid.
    I would be interested to know the accuracy of LFTs. As administered by the people.

    Anecdotally it is pretty poor. Or the administration of the test is poor. Whichever, plenty of LFTs said negative, PCR said positive stories.
    That applies to my lad. A string of negative LFTs, a positive PCR, and more negative LFTs.
    I believe you shouldn't stick the cotton wool probe up your nose but through the hole at the back of your nose into your skull to collect the gunge. Not many people know that.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 24,967
    Re the 100.

    Weren't we told that cricket teams had to be named after cities to attract an audience ?

    In which case why are only 3/8 of the teams named after cities ?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 40,950

    TOPPING said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Labour would introduce mandatory testing now for entry to nightclubs, not delay until September

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1417872566790901774?s=20

    A negative test doesn't mean you don't have covid.
    I would be interested to know the accuracy of LFTs. As administered by the people.

    Anecdotally it is pretty poor. Or the administration of the test is poor. Whichever, plenty of LFTs said negative, PCR said positive stories.
    That applies to my lad. A string of negative LFTs, a positive PCR, and more negative LFTs.
    Are PCRs also self-administered? If so then it must be the LFT test itself? What is different? PCRs go "to the lab"...
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,603
    Gnud said:

    Mortimer said:

    Gnud said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    2m
    Boris says it's "common sense" to let people cram into nightclubs for ten weeks before demanding a Covid passport. It's a view.

    Just close nightclubs forever FFS. "Changed world" and all that. It's not a huge price to pay. I'm fed up with hearing representatives of "the nightclub industry" say nightclubs should open without restrictions. They would say that, wouldn't they? I'm almost as fed up with them as I am with politicians who imply that nightclubs are what every youngster wants, or that most people's main form of socialisation is going down the pub.

    How about we stop the bedwetting authoritarianism and just accept the risk of infectious diseases for which we have both vaccines and treatments...
    5.3 million people are waiting for surgery on the NHS.
    But wait, some youngsters have been waiting ever so patiently to get back to their entertainment and hallucinations.
    You know that before COVID the number was 4.5m, right? So it's not exactly an unknown quantity that will suddenly go down because saddos like you keep the nightclubs closed. They are completely unrelated and the former has been an issue since 2012.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,544
    TOPPING said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Labour would introduce mandatory testing now for entry to nightclubs, not delay until September

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1417872566790901774?s=20

    A negative test doesn't mean you don't have covid.
    I would be interested to know the accuracy of LFTs. As administered by the people.

    Anecdotally it is pretty poor. Or the administration of the test is poor. Whichever, plenty of LFTs said negative, PCR said positive stories.
    Depends what you mean by accuracy.
    There's considerable evidence that LFTs are pretty good at detecting infectious individuals while not so good at detecting those who are infected (as per PCR test) but not shedding sufficient virus to be infectious.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,164

    Re the 100.

    Weren't we told that cricket teams had to be named after cities to attract an audience ?

    In which case why are only 3/8 of the teams named after cities ?

    I guess London*, Birmingham and Manchester are considered big enough to the extent that any alienation is mitigated. The same isn't true for Nottingham, Leeds, Southampton and Cardiff.

    * I'm shocked that the team based north of the river got the London name...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,038
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Labour would introduce mandatory testing now for entry to nightclubs, not delay until September

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1417872566790901774?s=20

    A negative test doesn't mean you don't have covid.
    I would be interested to know the accuracy of LFTs. As administered by the people.

    Anecdotally it is pretty poor. Or the administration of the test is poor. Whichever, plenty of LFTs said negative, PCR said positive stories.
    That applies to my lad. A string of negative LFTs, a positive PCR, and more negative LFTs.
    Are PCRs also self-administered? If so then it must be the LFT test itself? What is different? PCRs go "to the lab"...
    It is the test itself, partly. PCR more accurate in and of itself, not just who took the sample.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,544
    .

    Maffew said:

    DougSeal said:

    Gnud said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    2m
    Boris says it's "common sense" to let people cram into nightclubs for ten weeks before demanding a Covid passport. It's a view.

    Just close nightclubs forever FFS. "Changed world" and all that. It's not a huge price to pay. I'm fed up with hearing representatives of "the nightclub industry" say nightclubs should open without restrictions. They would say that, wouldn't they? I'm almost as fed up with them as I am with politicians who imply that nightclubs are what every youngster wants, or that most people's main form of socialisation is going down the pub.

    “Not a huge price to pay”. Nice.
    Perhaps Gnud wants to bring back illegal raves in fields.
    Anybody over thirty who is personally glad that nightclubs are opening needs to have a long hard look in the mirror.

    If you are under thirty, that’s fine: I’m happy for you.
    I haven't set foot in a club in at least five years and haven't done it regularly in ten. I'm still pleased for younger people that they can go.
    Now here is an admission

    In my 77 years I have never been to a night club
    You haven't missed much...
    True.
    No reason to ban them, though.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,766

    Maffew said:

    DougSeal said:

    Gnud said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    2m
    Boris says it's "common sense" to let people cram into nightclubs for ten weeks before demanding a Covid passport. It's a view.

    Just close nightclubs forever FFS. "Changed world" and all that. It's not a huge price to pay. I'm fed up with hearing representatives of "the nightclub industry" say nightclubs should open without restrictions. They would say that, wouldn't they? I'm almost as fed up with them as I am with politicians who imply that nightclubs are what every youngster wants, or that most people's main form of socialisation is going down the pub.

    “Not a huge price to pay”. Nice.
    Perhaps Gnud wants to bring back illegal raves in fields.
    Anybody over thirty who is personally glad that nightclubs are opening needs to have a long hard look in the mirror.

    If you are under thirty, that’s fine: I’m happy for you.
    I haven't set foot in a club in at least five years and haven't done it regularly in ten. I'm still pleased for younger people that they can go.
    Now here is an admission

    In my 77 years I have never been to a night club
    You haven't missed much...
    Bah, there's nothing like a 15 year old vomiting all over the dancefloor at Aston's in Bedford at 2am.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,038
    Starmer has managed to undertake a quicker u-turn that Johnson's "secret no isolation trial" scheme.

    Quite an achievement.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    Nigelb said:

    Maffew said:

    DougSeal said:

    Gnud said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    2m
    Boris says it's "common sense" to let people cram into nightclubs for ten weeks before demanding a Covid passport. It's a view.

    Just close nightclubs forever FFS. "Changed world" and all that. It's not a huge price to pay. I'm fed up with hearing representatives of "the nightclub industry" say nightclubs should open without restrictions. They would say that, wouldn't they? I'm almost as fed up with them as I am with politicians who imply that nightclubs are what every youngster wants, or that most people's main form of socialisation is going down the pub.

    “Not a huge price to pay”. Nice.
    Perhaps Gnud wants to bring back illegal raves in fields.
    Anybody over thirty who is personally glad that nightclubs are opening needs to have a long hard look in the mirror.

    If you are under thirty, that’s fine: I’m happy for you.
    I haven't set foot in a club in at least five years and haven't done it regularly in ten. I'm still pleased for younger people that they can go.
    Now here is an admission

    In my 77 years I have never been to a night club
    A treat for your 80th, perhaps ?
    I reckon the lady who went to space in the giant penis yesterday is probably up for it.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,540
    Thread on UK's new command paper on NI. As I've said before, I agree with the starting point that current implementation of Protocol isn't sustainable. That said, proposals are a mixed bag. Bits can form basis of a discussion IMO but others less so 1/...

    ....Overall, the positives are:
    - Doesn't seek to move border to N/S but keeps it E/W
    - I think a genuine desire to find ways to make this work
    - Recognition of need to protect integrity of EU single market (e.g. via labelling)
    - Channels style proposal could work 13/

    But the negatives:
    - Lots of work done on Art 16, not a big leap to triggering it
    - Changes on governance surprising & not really in line with complaints on the ground IMO
    - Lack of detail on enforcement such as labelling, market surveillance etc - gives little reassurance 14/


    https://twitter.com/RaoulRuparel/status/1417883217504477188?s=20
  • Omnium said:

    What a shambles from Labour

    Did you send in your card?
    No of course not.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    edited July 2021
    OMFG

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1417871104387989507

    BREAKING: Labour are now actually not ruling out vaccine passports for nightclubs and big venues:

    “Let's see what the government comes forward with"

    LMAO
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,279
    Floater said:

    OMFG

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1417871104387989507

    BREAKING: Labour are now actually not ruling out vaccine passports for nightclubs and big venues:

    “Let's see what the government comes forward with"

    LMAO

    They seem a bit confused at the moment.
  • NorthCadbollNorthCadboll Posts: 329
    I am not suggesting OGH is wrong but this thread reminds me of GE 2005. The LibDems mounted a "decapitation" programme targetting among others Michael Howard, Theresa May and Oliver Letwin. All 3 increased their majorities rather than lose their seats and substantially at that! Lots can happen between now and October 2023 including Ed Davey being removed or falling on Layla Moran's sword.
  • eekeek Posts: 24,797
    rcs1000 said:

    Maffew said:

    DougSeal said:

    Gnud said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    2m
    Boris says it's "common sense" to let people cram into nightclubs for ten weeks before demanding a Covid passport. It's a view.

    Just close nightclubs forever FFS. "Changed world" and all that. It's not a huge price to pay. I'm fed up with hearing representatives of "the nightclub industry" say nightclubs should open without restrictions. They would say that, wouldn't they? I'm almost as fed up with them as I am with politicians who imply that nightclubs are what every youngster wants, or that most people's main form of socialisation is going down the pub.

    “Not a huge price to pay”. Nice.
    Perhaps Gnud wants to bring back illegal raves in fields.
    Anybody over thirty who is personally glad that nightclubs are opening needs to have a long hard look in the mirror.

    If you are under thirty, that’s fine: I’m happy for you.
    I haven't set foot in a club in at least five years and haven't done it regularly in ten. I'm still pleased for younger people that they can go.
    Now here is an admission

    In my 77 years I have never been to a night club
    You haven't missed much...
    Bah, there's nothing like a 15 year old vomiting all over the dancefloor at Aston's in Bedford at 2am.
    Quick way to clear the venue at the end of the night.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,517
    edited July 2021
    rcs1000 said:

    Maffew said:

    DougSeal said:

    Gnud said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    2m
    Boris says it's "common sense" to let people cram into nightclubs for ten weeks before demanding a Covid passport. It's a view.

    Just close nightclubs forever FFS. "Changed world" and all that. It's not a huge price to pay. I'm fed up with hearing representatives of "the nightclub industry" say nightclubs should open without restrictions. They would say that, wouldn't they? I'm almost as fed up with them as I am with politicians who imply that nightclubs are what every youngster wants, or that most people's main form of socialisation is going down the pub.

    “Not a huge price to pay”. Nice.
    Perhaps Gnud wants to bring back illegal raves in fields.
    Anybody over thirty who is personally glad that nightclubs are opening needs to have a long hard look in the mirror.

    If you are under thirty, that’s fine: I’m happy for you.
    I haven't set foot in a club in at least five years and haven't done it regularly in ten. I'm still pleased for younger people that they can go.
    Now here is an admission

    In my 77 years I have never been to a night club
    You haven't missed much...
    Bah, there's nothing like a 15 year old vomiting all over the dancefloor at Aston's in Bedford at 2am.
    I once 'got friendly' with a lass in the Top of the Town nightclub in Northampton. Soon afterwards, it was closed.

    I always wondered if there was a connection .. ;)

    Edit: I hope this post has Justin clutching his pearls and talking about the hellfire awaiting the kids of the late 1980s ...
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,164
    rcs1000 said:

    Maffew said:

    DougSeal said:

    Gnud said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    2m
    Boris says it's "common sense" to let people cram into nightclubs for ten weeks before demanding a Covid passport. It's a view.

    Just close nightclubs forever FFS. "Changed world" and all that. It's not a huge price to pay. I'm fed up with hearing representatives of "the nightclub industry" say nightclubs should open without restrictions. They would say that, wouldn't they? I'm almost as fed up with them as I am with politicians who imply that nightclubs are what every youngster wants, or that most people's main form of socialisation is going down the pub.

    “Not a huge price to pay”. Nice.
    Perhaps Gnud wants to bring back illegal raves in fields.
    Anybody over thirty who is personally glad that nightclubs are opening needs to have a long hard look in the mirror.

    If you are under thirty, that’s fine: I’m happy for you.
    I haven't set foot in a club in at least five years and haven't done it regularly in ten. I'm still pleased for younger people that they can go.
    Now here is an admission

    In my 77 years I have never been to a night club
    You haven't missed much...
    Bah, there's nothing like a 15 year old vomiting all over the dancefloor at Aston's in Bedford at 2am.
    I reckon my greatest achievement in life was being refused entry to Chameleon in Woking on the grounds that I was too drunk. Normally you just needed to show you had a wallet full of cash and they'd let you in.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    Floater said:

    OMFG

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1417871104387989507

    BREAKING: Labour are now actually not ruling out vaccine passports for nightclubs and big venues:

    “Let's see what the government comes forward with"

    LMAO

    I am going for a 50km ride. By the time I am back, I won't be shocked to find the government have gone for a policy of testing and Labour are backing vaccine passports.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,279

    DougSeal said:

    Gnud said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    2m
    Boris says it's "common sense" to let people cram into nightclubs for ten weeks before demanding a Covid passport. It's a view.

    Just close nightclubs forever FFS. "Changed world" and all that. It's not a huge price to pay. I'm fed up with hearing representatives of "the nightclub industry" say nightclubs should open without restrictions. They would say that, wouldn't they? I'm almost as fed up with them as I am with politicians who imply that nightclubs are what every youngster wants, or that most people's main form of socialisation is going down the pub.

    “Not a huge price to pay”. Nice.
    Perhaps Gnud wants to bring back illegal raves in fields.
    Anybody over thirty who is personally glad that nightclubs are opening needs to have a long hard look in the mirror.

    If you are under thirty, that’s fine: I’m happy for you.
    I don't think age should matter at all. Pete Waterman presented his TV show "The Hitman and Her" from nightclubs when he was over 40.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    His mate Oprah will plug the hell out of it and it will sell a shed load.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 113,956
    Whichever party announces plans to make the UK a fully air conditioned country will get my vote.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,786
    tlg86 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Maffew said:

    DougSeal said:

    Gnud said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    2m
    Boris says it's "common sense" to let people cram into nightclubs for ten weeks before demanding a Covid passport. It's a view.

    Just close nightclubs forever FFS. "Changed world" and all that. It's not a huge price to pay. I'm fed up with hearing representatives of "the nightclub industry" say nightclubs should open without restrictions. They would say that, wouldn't they? I'm almost as fed up with them as I am with politicians who imply that nightclubs are what every youngster wants, or that most people's main form of socialisation is going down the pub.

    “Not a huge price to pay”. Nice.
    Perhaps Gnud wants to bring back illegal raves in fields.
    Anybody over thirty who is personally glad that nightclubs are opening needs to have a long hard look in the mirror.

    If you are under thirty, that’s fine: I’m happy for you.
    I haven't set foot in a club in at least five years and haven't done it regularly in ten. I'm still pleased for younger people that they can go.
    Now here is an admission

    In my 77 years I have never been to a night club
    You haven't missed much...
    Bah, there's nothing like a 15 year old vomiting all over the dancefloor at Aston's in Bedford at 2am.
    I reckon my greatest achievement in life was being refused entry to Chameleon in Woking on the grounds that I was too drunk. Normally you just needed to show you had a wallet full of cash and they'd let you in.
    That was karma.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274

    Whichever party announces plans to make the UK a fully air conditioned country will get my vote.

    Levelling Up...
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    alex_ said:

    Floater said:
    There’s a difference between return to “normal” and “never recover” though. The London of 2019 was not the London of 2009. Or 1979. Or 1909...

    London adapts. It always has and it always will.
    Yep - It can just do it without me (and a lot of my colleagues)
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,392

    I am not suggesting OGH is wrong but this thread reminds me of GE 2005. The LibDems mounted a "decapitation" programme targetting among others Michael Howard, Theresa May and Oliver Letwin. All 3 increased their majorities rather than lose their seats and substantially at that! Lots can happen between now and October 2023 including Ed Davey being removed or falling on Layla Moran's sword.

    That's a mental image I didn't really need at tea-time.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,517
    Andy_JS said:

    DougSeal said:

    Gnud said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    2m
    Boris says it's "common sense" to let people cram into nightclubs for ten weeks before demanding a Covid passport. It's a view.

    Just close nightclubs forever FFS. "Changed world" and all that. It's not a huge price to pay. I'm fed up with hearing representatives of "the nightclub industry" say nightclubs should open without restrictions. They would say that, wouldn't they? I'm almost as fed up with them as I am with politicians who imply that nightclubs are what every youngster wants, or that most people's main form of socialisation is going down the pub.

    “Not a huge price to pay”. Nice.
    Perhaps Gnud wants to bring back illegal raves in fields.
    Anybody over thirty who is personally glad that nightclubs are opening needs to have a long hard look in the mirror.

    If you are under thirty, that’s fine: I’m happy for you.
    I don't think age should matter at all. Pete Waterman presented his TV show "The Hitman and Her" from nightclubs when he was over 40.
    Talking of Pete Waterman, he has built a rather nice OO layout for Chester Cathedral:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EReDYV7avk
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392

    His mate Oprah will plug the hell out of it and it will sell a shed load.
    Quite - it doesn't matter if people are not very interested, with the trailing of its contents, reveals and then discussion it will take up weeks of coverage regardless.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,688
    What a tit.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,766

    I am not suggesting OGH is wrong but this thread reminds me of GE 2005. The LibDems mounted a "decapitation" programme targetting among others Michael Howard, Theresa May and Oliver Letwin. All 3 increased their majorities rather than lose their seats and substantially at that! Lots can happen between now and October 2023 including Ed Davey being removed or falling on Layla Moran's sword.

    I suspect the LDs will make modest progress in 2024 - largely because the Conservatives are following a "North First" strategy, and pretty much all the the LDs targets are in the South.

    My guess will be that they end up with 14-16% of the vote, and 16-18 seats.

    So, back to where they were in 1992 or 1979.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,766

    His mate Oprah will plug the hell out of it and it will sell a shed load.
    I can pretty much guarantee a number of PBers will buy it, just so they can get REALLY ANGRY.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 14,873
    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Labour would introduce mandatory testing now for entry to nightclubs, not delay until September

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1417872566790901774?s=20

    A negative test doesn't mean you don't have covid.
    It’s a bit of a clue though, and even if you do, it’s unlikely at that point that you are infectious, if the test isn’t picking it up.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 38,836
    Nigelb said:

    One of the mysteries of Trump's first six months was why the administration came out of the gate so hot for Saudi and UAE--with Trump traveling to Saudi Arabia and then going along with the Qatar blockade. The Tom Barrack indictment explains a lot.
    https://twitter.com/MarkMazzettiNYT/status/1417563320819888136

    Just completely putrid, soup to nuts.

    Please Mr and Mrs America (mainly the first) do NOT do it again. Don't even think about it.
  • sladeslade Posts: 1,920
    Given the chat about the end of the universe I watched a Netflix film this afternoon on Black Holes. It was a documentary centred on two themes; how to take a photo of a black hole, and how to prove that information can survive a black hole. The first was all about telescopes and computers, the second about 3 men and a woman writing formulae on blackboards with chalk One of the men was Stephen Hawking who died during the making of the film.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 24,583
    I suspect he is more interested in what potential US readers/buyers think. Besides which, if all 14% quoted buy his book he won't be too disappointed.

    I have no interest, and won't be buying or reading it, but I wish Harry and his wife no ill will.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 24,583
    Omnium said:

    What a tit.
    How dare you be so disrespectful to one of our most esteemed contributors!
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,164
    Sounds like a bonanza for B&B owners in the Dover area.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 14,873

    TOPPING said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Labour would introduce mandatory testing now for entry to nightclubs, not delay until September

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1417872566790901774?s=20

    A negative test doesn't mean you don't have covid.
    I would be interested to know the accuracy of LFTs. As administered by the people.

    Anecdotally it is pretty poor. Or the administration of the test is poor. Whichever, plenty of LFTs said negative, PCR said positive stories.
    That applies to my lad. A string of negative LFTs, a positive PCR, and more negative LFTs.
    I see no issue with that. PCR by its nature is much more sensitive than lateral flow tests. What is possible is that lateral flow tests pick up people who are more likely to be infectious. It’s possible also that delta is easier to spot with lateral flow as it seems to produce way more virus.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 38,836

    I get the impression TeamPBBoris are ready for a "Starmer is crap" header again.

    Guy is a joke. He just refuses to adopt the right wing libertarian positions they're gagging for.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,688
    edited July 2021

    Omnium said:

    What a tit.
    How dare you be so disrespectful to one of our most esteemed contributors!
    I'm pretty sure that noone with an ounce of sense mistook my comment.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    rcs1000 said:

    His mate Oprah will plug the hell out of it and it will sell a shed load.
    I can pretty much guarantee a number of PBers will buy it, just so they can get REALLY ANGRY.
    Nah, they'll just rely on their Twitter feed giving them out of context quote to make them angry.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 38,836
    Andy_JS said:

    DougSeal said:

    Gnud said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    2m
    Boris says it's "common sense" to let people cram into nightclubs for ten weeks before demanding a Covid passport. It's a view.

    Just close nightclubs forever FFS. "Changed world" and all that. It's not a huge price to pay. I'm fed up with hearing representatives of "the nightclub industry" say nightclubs should open without restrictions. They would say that, wouldn't they? I'm almost as fed up with them as I am with politicians who imply that nightclubs are what every youngster wants, or that most people's main form of socialisation is going down the pub.

    “Not a huge price to pay”. Nice.
    Perhaps Gnud wants to bring back illegal raves in fields.
    Anybody over thirty who is personally glad that nightclubs are opening needs to have a long hard look in the mirror.

    If you are under thirty, that’s fine: I’m happy for you.
    I don't think age should matter at all. Pete Waterman presented his TV show "The Hitman and Her" from nightclubs when he was over 40.
    "Liked" that, Andy, on the grounds it was deadpan satire. If it wasn't, don't tell me.
  • Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,060
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,623
    edited July 2021
    slade said:

    Given the chat about the end of the universe .

    Come on, neither the pandemic nor the Hundred is THAT bad.
  • ClippPClippP Posts: 1,665
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Labour would introduce mandatory testing now for entry to nightclubs, not delay until September

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1417872566790901774?s=20

    A negative test doesn't mean you don't have covid.
    I would be interested to know the accuracy of LFTs. As administered by the people.

    Anecdotally it is pretty poor. Or the administration of the test is poor. Whichever, plenty of LFTs said negative, PCR said positive stories.
    That applies to my lad. A string of negative LFTs, a positive PCR, and more negative LFTs.
    Are PCRs also self-administered? If so then it must be the LFT test itself? What is different? PCRs go "to the lab"...
    I thought that PCRs were not very efficient...... This experience seems to support that view.

    Or am I wrong?
  • Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,060
    Andy_JS said:

    DougSeal said:

    Gnud said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    2m
    Boris says it's "common sense" to let people cram into nightclubs for ten weeks before demanding a Covid passport. It's a view.

    Just close nightclubs forever FFS. "Changed world" and all that. It's not a huge price to pay. I'm fed up with hearing representatives of "the nightclub industry" say nightclubs should open without restrictions. They would say that, wouldn't they? I'm almost as fed up with them as I am with politicians who imply that nightclubs are what every youngster wants, or that most people's main form of socialisation is going down the pub.

    “Not a huge price to pay”. Nice.
    Perhaps Gnud wants to bring back illegal raves in fields.
    Anybody over thirty who is personally glad that nightclubs are opening needs to have a long hard look in the mirror.

    If you are under thirty, that’s fine: I’m happy for you.
    I don't think age should matter at all. Pete Waterman presented his TV show "The Hitman and Her" from nightclubs when he was over 40.
    There are those who will look in the mirror and think “I’ve still got it”.

    Which is correct, if “it” is massive amounts of self-confidence.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 2,720
    This thread has decided to set up a new cricket competition
  • Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,060

    slade said:

    Given the chat about the end of the universe .

    Come on, neither the pandemic nor the Hundred is THAT bad.
    Your choices are: Big Crunch, Big Rip or the ever popular Heat Death of the Universe.

  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,059
    Andy_JS said:

    DougSeal said:

    Gnud said:

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    Boris says it's "common sense" to let people cram into nightclubs for ten weeks before demanding a Covid passport. It's a view.

    Just close nightclubs forever FFS. "Changed world" and all that. It's not a huge price to pay. I'm fed up with hearing representatives of "the nightclub industry" say nightclubs should open without restrictions. They would say that, wouldn't they? I'm almost as fed up with them as I am with politicians who imply that nightclubs are what every youngster wants, or that most people's main form of socialisation is going down the pub.

    “Not a huge price to pay”. Nice.
    Perhaps Gnud wants to bring back illegal raves in fields.
    Anybody over thirty who is personally glad that nightclubs are opening needs to have a long hard look in the mirror.

    If you are under thirty, that’s fine: I’m happy for you.
    I don't think age should matter at all. Pete Waterman presented his TV show "The Hitman and Her" from nightclubs when he was over 40.
    I’ve read some “niche” viewpoints on this here PB over the years but this is probably the best.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,226
    malcolmg said:

    moonshine said:

    malcolmg said:

    FF43 said:

    FF43 said:

    UK says it wants to substantially rewrite Northern Ireland Brexit protocol

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jul/21/uk-substantially-rewrite-northern-ireland-brexit-protocol

    Rewriting the Northern Ireland Protocol is in the Never Happening bucket. Which leaves the the UK Government with the options of tearing it up, which it appears not to be willing to do, or stalling.

    To the extent I can detect any strategy at all, it is to be so awkward that the other side gives up. It may work up to a point, But at a huge cost. Firstly in the goodwill that is needed to make the rest of the relationship with the EU work and secondly in the damage the lack of a commitment to a solution will do to Northern Ireland, which is a fragile place at the best of times
    So what should the UK government do? Implement the Protocol and make the best of it. Once you eliminate the worse alternatives this is where you end up.
    They thought it up and signed up to it so they should get on with it. Will soon be next to no trade between UK and NI in any case, they will use easy option and by in Eire.
    Is support for Northern Ireland’s place in the union higher or lower in Scotland than in England? Presumably nationalists such as yourself don’t have a strong view either way?
    Well imagine the Orange Lodge adherents will want to keep it and Scotland in the union but they are a dwindling bunch of dinosaurs. I personally would think it better to have a united Ireland but it is up to the people of NI/Eire, just as it should be to the people of Scotland to decide what they want at any time of their choosing when there are 50% + 1 wanting the choice.
    Yeah I quite agree
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 38,836

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    algarkirk said:

    algarkirk said:



    It is not yet clear that the good people of, say, Wokingham, will certainly prefer the Burgon/Pidcock/Sturgeon/Davey/tree hugging alliance to John Redwood. That will be their choice.

    Its posh seats which people of working age want to live in. Guildford, St Albans etc yes, Arundel is for the retired posh.
    That's right, also within constituencies. In my patch (Hunt's constituency, SW Surrey) the Tories are down to 2 County Councillors out of 7, and both are in the villages where there are masses of wealthy retired people, while they have fallen miles behind the LibDems (and behind Labour at Borough level in some places like mine) in the small towns. Another factor is a college in the area even if not a full-blown university.

    On algarkirk's hypothesis, for all the doubts about Starmer's positive ideas, few people will feel he's going to be a puppet of Burgon and Pidcock (if they've even heard of them). Is a possible post-election understanding with Sturgeon going to seem very terrifying in Wokingham? Will voters there care much about that? As for tree-huggers, lots of wealthy folk are quite open to a bit of greenery.
    Interesting. In SW Surrey LD strength goes back decades so I shall wait and see, while agreeing that the Tories remain vulnerable in a number of seats. Your remaining argument is strong, that I fully accept. At the next election there is going to be strong contest between the Tories and all others. Personally I think the Tories as the only option for a majority government will hold attractions, that the LDs will do well but as usual spread too thin, and that the Tories will win SW Surrey and Wokingham.

    I agree that Nicola is not a threat in Surrey or Wokingham in the same way she is in my English northern borders patch (if I stand up I can see Scotland). But neither is the idea of a government relying on the SNP a positive attraction anywhere in England. They may not be loathed but they are far from loved.

    More loved than the others.

    ‘Nicola Sturgeon the most popular leader in the UK, poll finds’

    Polling asked voters last week how they thought each UK party leader was performing, with the First Minister receiving a net +24% approval rating in Scotland and +10% across the UK.

    By contrast, Boris Johnson scored -35% in Scotland and -8% across the UK, Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer was given a -17% by people in Scotland and +9% in the UK, and LibDem leader Ed Davey scored -15% and -12% respectively; making Sturgeon the most popular leader in both Scotland and the UK.


    https://www.thenational.scot/news/19054486.nicola-sturgeon-popular-leader-uk-poll-finds/
    Only because she has now gone soft on pushing indyref2, which is why the hardline Nats in Alba hate her
    https://twitter.com/KennyMacAskill/status/1415344843862298635?s=20
    The hardline Nats who hate Nicola Sturgeon are BritNats like you.
    HYUFD is a Conservative,
    Don't be silly. He is many things. A Conservative he is not.

    Nigel finds it much easier to associate with authoritarian "Conservatives" that believe in Jackboots, invading Scotland and Spain etc like HYUFD than he does the liberal wing of the Party like myself.
    You are a libertarian not a conservative
    As are many Conservatives. As is the PM, as were Thatcher and Cameron. As is Truss.

    The Party is not just a party for authoritarian Jackboot wearers like yourself and Nigel.
    So there’s room in the party for more than just authoritarian jackboot wearers? And you’re happy to be in a party with these people?
    Most of Philip's posts on here could easily be written by someone of the far right, with the exception of some incongruous support for BLM, which might be because he doesn't like being labelled as a Faragist, even though he voted for the Brexit Party and up until recently seemed pretty enthusiastic about them. Poor lad is a bit confused.
    You're a liar, or pig ignorant.

    I've never once been enthusiastic in voting for the Brexit Party. I have only ever been enthusiastic in voting for David Cameron and Boris Johnson's Conservatives.

    Voting in a protest vote against what has always been my own party was done in sorrow and regret at what May was turning our party into and that she needed to go. Mission accomplished.
    I don't approve of lying , Philip, which is why I do not approve of Johnson, an habitual liar whom you seem to be so in love with. I am sure it is not unrequited because he loves the gullible.

    As for you voting Brexit Party, if we accept your very weak excuse, and seeing as you now seem to accept they are a fascist party, would you have voted BNP if they were the best vehicle to get "mission accomplished"? The truth is you voted for a fascist party and you know it. Your pretence now that you are some kind of moderate really does not wash, and it doesn't help that you are getting angry about it. You are a frothing right winger, and at one stage you seemed pretty proud of that. If you were American you would be voting Trump and driving around in a pickup.
    Although objectionable to me the Brexit party was not a Fascist party. (I've no idea of its current state.) To label it as such is frankly ludicrous.
    Philip seems to accept now that it is a fascist party, but still voted for it. I am of teh centre right so I am not an hysterical lefty engaging in hyperbole. I think there are definite parallels between Faragists and certainly Francoism, though obviously Farage hasn't killed anyone. Alan Sked who was the founder of UKIP says Farage is a racist. I am not aware Farage has attempted to deny it. The Brexit Party used fake news/propaganda to promote it's ideas and drive division. It was very much a form of British Nationalism with an undercurrent of racism with a few fig leaves to cover up the accusation. I would call them crypto-fascists
    I do not accept that the Brexit Party is a Fascist Party and I would not have voted for it if I did.

    I think the Brexit Party, at the time of 2019, was an empty void protest party. Their claims, their party political broadcasts etc were entirely of a "send a message" sort and not racist or fascist. If there was anything racist there I wouldn't have voted for it.

    I voted for it despite Farage, but since the Tories were also led by an authoritarian xenophobe that was a miserable draw as far as that was concerned. So it purely came down to more of the same, or a protest, and I went for the protest.

    May is no better than Farage.
    Mate that's fine but as AA Gill said of people who watch TOWIE or any of those shows, there isn't a button to press to show that you're watching it ironically. It adds to audience numbers and lo, the series is renewed for another season.

    You gave Farage what he craves most, by voting for his party you gave him political legitimacy and influence. You can't do that and then say but I don't like the other stuff. The horse has bolted.
    I got him kicked out of the European Parliament and so humiliated then electorally that he didn't even bother standing in the 2019 General Election, and didn't bother standing candidates against Tories once the Tory Party was rehabiliated.

    Farage has been destroyed electorally. Job done.
    Once the Tory Party was rehabilitated?

    Once the Tory Party morphed into the Brexit Party, is what you mean. That's why Farage didn't stand against them at GE19. He knew they'd nicked all his Hard Leaver Xenophobe vote.
    Theresa May was the xenophobe, not Boris.

    Worth noting that Boris dropped Theresa May/David Cameron's pledge to bring immigration down to the tens of thousands.
    But you said Farage decided not to stand against the Tories because they'd "rehabilitated".

    If you meant rehabilitated away from xenophobia - which it seems you did - why on earth would that cause Farage (who you and I both consider to be a xenophobe) to give them a free pass?

    See the logic fail?

    You trip yourself up all the time on this one because you aren't telling the truth about it.
    No I don't see the logic fail.

    Theresa May and Nigel Farage are two sides of the same coin. Authoritarian xenophobes. Both saw the Brexit vote simply through the prism of xenophobia and immigration. Theresa May reacted to the Brexit vote by doubling down on her xenophobia.

    But the UK is not xenophobic. The country is not racist. Which is why neither Farage nor May have ended up being that popular in reality.

    The country didn't want doubling down in xenophobia which is all Nigel's May offered. The country wanted its vote in 2016 respecting, but in a friendly manner. May didn't offer that, Farage didn't offer that. Boris did. That's why Boris won in 2016, its why he won in 2019. Its why the voters of the country ran a mile from Farage once there was a rational alternative instead of May's xenophobia.

    Farage didn't give the Tories a free pass, he lost support because his hardcore xenophobes are not who voted for him in the Spring. It was sane, normal, mainstream people rejecting May and her closed-minded, bigoted, empty citizens of nowhere authoritarian xenophobia. Farage gave up as he knew the game was up.
    Look, it's utterly ludicrous to say that the May to Johnson transition represented the Tory Party shedding its xenophobia. It didn't. It represented the victory of the hard brexiters and the remake of the party in their image. And the image of hard brexiters is decidedly NOT zero tolerance of xenophobia. Kenneth Clarke out. Andrew Bridgen in. C'mon.

    Please stop posting illogical convoluted nonsense. It's totally clear what the game is. Your story about your voting record is horseshit. So you're dreaming up an alternative fantasy world that would somehow explain it.

    I'll get my list out again if you carry on. Publish the whole thing and nobody wants that.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,517

    Andy_JS said:

    DougSeal said:

    Gnud said:

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    Boris says it's "common sense" to let people cram into nightclubs for ten weeks before demanding a Covid passport. It's a view.

    Just close nightclubs forever FFS. "Changed world" and all that. It's not a huge price to pay. I'm fed up with hearing representatives of "the nightclub industry" say nightclubs should open without restrictions. They would say that, wouldn't they? I'm almost as fed up with them as I am with politicians who imply that nightclubs are what every youngster wants, or that most people's main form of socialisation is going down the pub.

    “Not a huge price to pay”. Nice.
    Perhaps Gnud wants to bring back illegal raves in fields.
    Anybody over thirty who is personally glad that nightclubs are opening needs to have a long hard look in the mirror.

    If you are under thirty, that’s fine: I’m happy for you.
    I don't think age should matter at all. Pete Waterman presented his TV show "The Hitman and Her" from nightclubs when he was over 40.
    There are those who will look in the mirror and think “I’ve still got it”.

    Which is correct, if “it” is massive amounts of self-confidence.
    I'm slightly odd (okay, very odd...) in that I'm probably in better shape in my thirties and forties than I was in my teens and twenties. And I was *hot* then. I ran 14.5 miles today, and did much of it shirtless. You should have seen the swooning ladies as I passed, the furball attracting lingering, longing glances ...
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