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  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,996
    Pagan2 said:

    EU unveils sweeping climate change plan

    The scale of this 12-pronged plan is breathtaking. It will likely have an impact on every citizen of Europe in almost every aspect of their lives.

    One of the most eye-catching proposals is a carbon border tax on goods like steel, cement and fertilizer to ensure that European industry, which has to pay for permits to use carbon, can compete. However, the proposal is contentious and could spark a trade war with China and the US.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57833807

    The french will be dusting off those yellow jackets in 3, 2, 1....
    Are they out the cupboard and in the washing machine at the moment, because of Macron decisions over compulsory vaccinations and covid passports?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,894
    edited July 2021
    From the Standard:-

    Exclusive: Boris Johnson poll rating falls to 9-month low (and women like him less)
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-poll-rating-falls-women-b945709.html

    (polling dates 2-8 July)

    The interesting part is that Boris's woman voter problem might be returning.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957

    TOPPING said:

    alex_ said:

    I’ve had an usual spike in anecdotal contacts being pinged by NHS app today. Suspect today’s case numbers could show a big jump.

    My holiday starts Friday, I'm now in that window where I cannot cancel without having to pay for the full stay, so I'm fully expecting to get pinged soon.
    Time to put phone on airplane mode.
    Tempted to delete the app.
    I am genuinely amazed you have it on your phone.
    I care about people.

    Keeping the NHS app because that is fab for so many non Covid-19 reasons.
    Leave it on, and if you're pinged do an LFT every day to check you're not actually infected. That way you've got a very good chance of not passing infection on to others, in the event that it was a potentially infectious contact. It's not 100% reliable as an approach, but it's pretty good.
    Is as good a response as any.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    Looking interesting in the Gloucester Hampshire show down...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,996
    edited July 2021

    From the Standard:-

    Exclusive: Boris Johnson poll rating falls to 9-month low (and women like him less)
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-poll-rating-falls-women-b945709.html

    (polling dates 2-8 July)

    Its the same poll that has been linked twice already. Tories down 4, Labour down 4, Lib Dem ups, lead still 9%. But taken at the same time as other polls have shown Tories extending their lead.

    I am not exactly going to be surprised if the Tories do go down in the polls, but Labour down the same...I genuinely have no idea what they have done to cause that...other than I guess more of the same on COVID response, government, shit, terrible, reckless, and what would you do different, errh exactly the same, but open the windows.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631
    Does anyone know what exactly gone wrong in The Netherlands?

    Is it simply a case of they reopened too quickly because they hadn't fully vaccinated a sufficient number of people?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,034
    We live under the international transatlantic flight path to Heathrow and Europe (30,000 feet plus) and my wife remarked today that there seems to be considerably more vapour trails then we have seen in a long time
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,894

    From the Standard:-

    Exclusive: Boris Johnson poll rating falls to 9-month low (and women like him less)
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-poll-rating-falls-women-b945709.html

    (polling dates 2-8 July)

    Its the same poll that has been linked twice already. Tories down 4, Labour down 4, Lib Dem ups, lead still 9%. But taken at the same time as other polls have shown Tories extending their lead.
    Yes but I'm saying the party levels are less interesting than the female factor.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,358
    edited July 2021
    MaxPB said:

    Sajid Javid

    75% of all adults second dosed

    Isn't it 66%?

    Ah I see what he's done, he's used the current number of first doses as the denominator, not all adults. More than a bit misleading.
    Well, once all the unvaccinated have caught Covid and died that would then be the correct denominator to use. He's just a bit ahead of himself.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821

    Pagan2 said:

    EU unveils sweeping climate change plan

    The scale of this 12-pronged plan is breathtaking. It will likely have an impact on every citizen of Europe in almost every aspect of their lives.

    One of the most eye-catching proposals is a carbon border tax on goods like steel, cement and fertilizer to ensure that European industry, which has to pay for permits to use carbon, can compete. However, the proposal is contentious and could spark a trade war with China and the US.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57833807

    The french will be dusting off those yellow jackets in 3, 2, 1....
    Are they out the cupboard and in the washing machine at the moment, because of Macron decisions over compulsory vaccinations and covid passports?
    The French are getting jabbed in droves now, thanks to Macron's sensible approach.

    https://twitter.com/NewStatesman/status/1415328995017641984

    I did post here months ago that the French always bitch and moan, and like to think of themselves as anarchists, but actually they fall in line with the bureaucratic rules which govern their lives to an extent unknown here.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,804

    Does anyone know what exactly gone wrong in The Netherlands?

    Is it simply a case of they reopened too quickly because they hadn't fully vaccinated a sufficient number of people?

    Yes.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,836
    This thread has failed to pass through Committee.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070

    EU unveils sweeping climate change plan

    The scale of this 12-pronged plan is breathtaking. It will likely have an impact on every citizen of Europe in almost every aspect of their lives.

    One of the most eye-catching proposals is a carbon border tax on goods like steel, cement and fertilizer to ensure that European industry, which has to pay for permits to use carbon, can compete. However, the proposal is contentious and could spark a trade war with China and the US.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57833807

    ...From 1990 to 2019 the EU cut carbon emissions by 24% - now it proposes to slash CO2 by another 31% in just 9 years. That's what's needed if the 2050 net-zero target is to be achieved....

    Is not the UK 2030 target a bit more than that ?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631

    NEW THREAD

  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,727

    Left on tories stopping asylum seekers fleeing the safety of France by sea...

    Unfeeling racists!

    Also left on Biden administration stopping Cubans fleeing horrible oppression in Cuba by sea...

    Silence.

    You forget that Cuba is a socialist paradise that only class traitors would seek to leave. 'The Left' would rightly be outraged if Cuba had stopped Americans feeling horrible opression in the States (particularly under Trump, obviously).
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,804
    Numbers right in the middle of expectations. It's actually not bad for case Wednesday, I think this week might actually have the peak as it will capture a lot of semi final and final related infections. I expect by Friday the weekly growth rate will be slightly up compared to now but the Friday after it will be negative and the Friday after that it will be very negative as schools and football are done.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,496
    Nigelb said:

    I agree with much (almost all) of what Cyclefree says but bad laws to "send signals" that make good headlines, rather than fix problems, massively predate this administration stretching all the way back to Blair.

    That doesn't excuse what's being done now but to heap opprobrium for all of it just on Boris isn't accurate. Politicians have found it's worked for them in managing problems and perceptions, so they've kept doing it.

    A fair comment, but we only have the one government right now.
    Governments of course have to win elections with the votes of people who don't follow the detail. If anyone knows what actually to do about migration/refugees (there are 87 million of them and about 2.5 billion more legitimately qualify) etc P Patel will be glad to receive a postcard, as would D Miliband. As to actually criminalising life saving, this is not going to happen.

  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,150
    eek said:

    JosephG said:

    eek said:

    Charles said:

    The RNLI thing seems a total nonsense. The government have already said repeatedly that is not what is being targetted, its hard to imagine the CPS finding a public interest in prosecuting the RNLI for lifesaving and its even harder to imagine a jury voting to convict. Plus of course its not been through the Committee or or the Commons or the Lords were the government's clear stated intent that this is not targetting the RNLI can be clarified through amendments if needed.

    The problem with crying wolf is that you end up casting doubt on other issues. The Online Harms Bill, as described, sounds absolutely awful. We should have free speech and having people's feelings hurt is not a reason for the law to get involved.

    But is the Online Harms Bill actually as described? Or is it, like the RNLI one, being rather misrepresented?

    Whatever a government may "say" in parliament is irrelevant if it doesn't find itself in the bill/act. The burden after the act comes into force then transfers to a test case in the supreme court surely. Do we really want it to have to go all the way to there?
    It is absolutely relevant

    If there is ambiguity in the drafting of the legislation the courts seek to determine the intention of parliament.

    That’s when what the government says matters
    Can you provide a court judgment that backs up that assertion. Courts usually play a straight bat here and will allow the arguments of the two sides to sway the end result.
    Pepper (H.M.I.T.) v. Hart [1992] UKHL 3
    From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepper_(Inspector_of_Taxes)_v_Hart

    Since Lord Steyn's lecture, several judicial decisions have limited the use of Pepper by the courts; the result of these changes, according to Stefan Vogenauer, is that "the scope of Pepper v Hart has been reduced to such an extent that the ruling has almost become meaningless".[2] https://www.jstor.org/stable/3600612 and https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=2Y6cAQAAQBAJ&pg=PA288&lpg=PA288&dq="the+scope+of+Pepper+v+Hart+has+been+reduced+to+such+an+extent+that+the+ruling+has+almost+become+meaningless"+Vogenauer&source=bl&ots=CPbzT1cFfv&sig=ACfU3U1HGXOAFwYsh3gOr2S-b67xkcZLxw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiy6-6fyuLxAhVhRUEAHXhgBRQQ6AEwBHoECAIQAw#v=onepage&q="the scope of Pepper v Hart has been reduced to such an extent that the ruling has almost become meaningless" Vogenauer&f=false
    Of course it's being misrepresented; but there's also a good deal of truth in the criticism.
  • timpletimple Posts: 123
    eek said:

    timple said:

    Rather than very woolly duty of care why not have a law that says any social network of any appreciable size must be able to verify the owner of the account. If there are some countries where that is difficult... don't show their "contribution" in our country. When it suits tech companies they can do it. Try opening an account on AirBnB. Or open an account for one of those electric scooters. Or a bank account. Would so many people be so keen to racially abuse our football team if they knew plod could be knocking the next day?

    Anonymous accounts do however have a purpose - a lot of posters on here only post because it's to some extent anonymous.
    Sorry late to reply - good point - but I am not advocating that your real name HAS to be used on FB, Chan, TikTok etc - only that those companies have to be able to provide a legally responsible "owner" of the account if the Police want to know why it was used for racial abuse, grooming, etc.
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