City Am reporting that internal LD polling has the party 4% behind in Chesham and Amersham – politic

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City Am reporting that internal LD polling has the party 4% behind in Chesham and Amersham – politicalbetting.com

According to City AM it has seen internal LD polling from Chesham and Amersham suggesting that they are on 41% against the Tory 45% for Thursday’s by-election. We have seen this form of revelation before by the party in Richmond Park and the Brecon by-elections where the numbers they said their internal surveys had them on was in fact lower than that which they achieved in the elections.

Read the full story here

rottenborough

First. Like Liberals in C&A hopefully.

FrancisUrquhart

isam said:

Matthew Syed of The Times seems to have disappointed some if his followers by tweeting this

‘Catching up with @GBNEWS Andrew Neil Show. @afneil outstanding as usual. A strong programme. Technical and set issues for sure. Covid analysis impressive from @tomhfh and @DarrenGBNews. Definitely going to watch more...’

Syed the sensible arm of the Labour Party....

londonpubman

Lots of wishful thinking from LDs. It's not going to happen.

solarflare

Classic ITV random mid-football adbreak

MaxPB

I don't see it but one can hope that the Lib Dems will win.

TheScreamingEagles

I fear this will be another in the series of excellent value losers.

FrancisUrquhart

solarflare said:

Classic ITV random mid-football adbreak

Defund ITV....no 4k, crap commentary / analysts....

MattW

8th.

One fat lady.

I wonder how long it will take GBNews to get to 120k Twitter followers?

Oh - they are at 265k already.

maaarsh

'Currently the LDs are on 13.5/1 with Betfair to win – a bet that looks very attractive'

Talk it in a little more and you'll be able to cash out for an even money return without having to hold on to your losing ticket to the end - hurrah!

SandyRentool

So is Outraged of Amersham going to vote LibDem because they can't visit a nightclub next week?

I can't see it.

beentheredonethat

SandyRentool said:

So is Outraged of Amersham going to vote LibDem because they can't visit a nightclub next week?

I can't see it.

No but they might not come out to vote Tory. Very low turnout I reckon.

Richard_Tyndall

On topic... Oooooo. I do like the idea of Johnson getting a bloody nose. It will make no difference in Parliament of course but it might make him think for a moment before taking us all for granted so much.

Andy_JS

SandyRentool said:

So is Outraged of Amersham going to vote LibDem because they can't visit a nightclub next week?

I can't see it.

No but they may do in support of the LD campaign against housebuilding and HS2.

moonshine

Leon said:

moonshine said:

Floater said:

Paging Leon

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/ufo-investigations-us-considering-extraterrestrial-hypothesis

Do I not get a co credit as the sole proponent of this story for months!

By the way I meant to say to Topping yesterday, anyone that uses the phrase “little green men” in a pejorative way at this point of the game, marks themselves out as being at best intellectually incurious. If I’m polite about it. And in any case, if you’ve paid attention since as far back as Mulder and Scully, it should be “little grey men”.

You were first! You switched me on to this

As it happens my explanation has switched back to a mixture of hyperbole, pilot error - and elaborate
US psy-ops exploiting the same, but that is still a huge story - esp given the scale of the establishment reaction. Anyone who dismisses this as a ‘normal’ UFO flap really isn’t paying attention

And I do not rule out other conclusions

The cross party, multi administration psyops conspiracy theory is too far fetched for me. The only non-“exotic” explanation that makes even remote sense, is that mundane misinterpreted observations have captured the imagination of a hardcore of the US security state and it’s taken on a life of its own with each retelling. Secret US tech and foreign tech make no sense at all to me.

But to be honest this looks less likely than the simple conclusion that there is non human technology on earth / in its atmosphere (which has probably been here a long time, probably predating us). There really is no reason why this should be considered a fantastical explanation, it’s the most simple and logical explanation of the wealth of public evidence. And of course the multiple statements by various individuals with past or present top classification security status.

squareroot2

Andy_JS said:

SandyRentool said:

So is Outraged of Amersham going to vote LibDem because they can't visit a nightclub next week?

I can't see it.

No but they may do in support of the LD campaign against housebuilding and HS2.

Their candidate is against LD stated policy..

IshmaelZ

So the LDs are liars and the author of the threader is quite happy with that?

Black_Rook

rottenborough said:

First. Like Liberals in C&A hopefully.

It would be nice to see the Government take a good kicking for a change but I don't think it's going to happen. The yellows are going to need to completely fillet both the Labour and Green votes, and win over substantial numbers of Tory switchers. Insofar as I can see they've nothing to offer except Nimbyism about HS2 (which the Greens will do with more enthusiasm,) set against which the Tories have a solid core vote that's very far from tired of the Government and ready to protest and to splinter. Again, it's 2021 not 1993.

Besides, from a purely personal POV I find it hard to summon much interest in or sympathy for the Lib Dems. They stood for unpicking the result of the Brexit vote, and now they don't really stand for much at all. Insofar as one can make out, the members just want them to be a marginally less left-wing version of the Labour Party, aimed at Waitrose shoppers. And I think that, after the 2019 phenomenon of voting to put Boris Johnson back into bat because he wasn't Jeremy Corbyn, it would be nice to have some positive reasons to vote for a party at last. "Vote for us - we're not Tories" ought to help them a bit, but simply being the least offensive/most beige option on the ballot paper hardly inspires.

DecrepiterJohnL

maaarsh said:

'Currently the LDs are on 13.5/1 with Betfair to win – a bet that looks very attractive'

Talk it in a little more and you'll be able to cash out for an even money return without having to hold on to your losing ticket to the end - hurrah!

That's uncalled for. Your charge could be levelled at any betting post or tip made here, and without those we'd be left ranting about low quality news channels. It is only by looking at prices and implied probabilities that we calibrate our own beliefs.

LostPassword

solarflare said:

Classic ITV random mid-football adbreak

I wonder what lovingly crafted Tyldesley bon mot we missed as a result?

DecrepiterJohnL

beentheredonethat said:

SandyRentool said:

So is Outraged of Amersham going to vote LibDem because they can't visit a nightclub next week?

I can't see it.

No but they might not come out to vote Tory. Very low turnout I reckon.

The BBC weather forecast gives a 33% chance of rain all day which, if it falls, might depress turnout. If not, 20 degrees C is surely a goldilocks voting temperature.

williamglenn

Joe Biden left before the press conference with Ursula von der Leyen and Charles Michel and their joint statement wasn't released for hours afterwards. It doesn't say anything about the Northern Ireland protocol.

dixiedean

IshmaelZ said:

So the LDs are liars and the author of the threader is quite happy with that?

Both those things are all the rage these days.

FF43

Now that IKEA have pulled their ads from GBNews do supposed wokers like me have to start frequenting that life extracting establishment? Or can we get a pass from the fact that IKEA is owned by an actual Nazi who finds GBNews too extreme?

BigRich

MattW said:

8th.

One fat lady.

I wonder how long it will take GBNews to get to 120k Twitter followers?

Oh - they are at 265k already.

I have no idea if that's good or bad, but they are on 43,000 likes on Facebook and 63,000 followers, and 74,000 subscribers on YouTube. for reference when I cheeked about a week ago they where on less than 10,000 on each, so they are growing,

RobD

FF43 said:

Now that IKEA have pulled their ads from GBNews do supposed wokers like me have to start frequenting that life extracting establishment? Or can we get a pass from the fact that IKEA is owned by an actual Nazi who finds GBNews too extreme?

Isn't he dead?

Xtrain

FF43 said:

Now that IKEA have pulled their ads from GBNews do supposed wokers like me have to start frequenting that life extracting establishment? Or can we get a pass from the fact that IKEA is owned by an actual Nazi who finds GBNews too extreme?

I don't know about that but this Dan Wooten interview with Lady C is pure gold!

turbotubbs

FF43 said:

Now that IKEA have pulled their ads from GBNews do supposed wokers like me have to start frequenting that life extracting establishment? Or can we get a pass from the fact that IKEA is owned by an actual Nazi who finds GBNews too extreme?

I do have to wonder quite what GB news have done that is so offensive. This is proving everything about woke behaviour, without even having to try.

Black_Rook

beentheredonethat said:

SandyRentool said:

So is Outraged of Amersham going to vote LibDem because they can't visit a nightclub next week?

I can't see it.

No but they might not come out to vote Tory. Very low turnout I reckon.

I don't know about that. I thought turnout would be about 30% in Hartlepool yet it ended up being over 40%; Chesham & Amersham could easily get to half.

Incidentally, I hadn't realised until I went looking for information that there is a "Rejoin EU" candidate available in this by-election for the fanatical ex-Remainers. Sadly the OMRLP aren't fielding a candidate so we can't speculate as to which one would receive the fewest votes, but if he does do unexpectedly well then this is unlikely to hurt the Conservatives.

FF43

RobD said:

FF43 said:

Now that IKEA have pulled their ads from GBNews do supposed wokers like me have to start frequenting that life extracting establishment? Or can we get a pass from the fact that IKEA is owned by an actual Nazi who finds GBNews too extreme?

Isn't he dead?

No idea. Funnily enough, some of the brands as well as GB News itself are probably quite happy with the boycotts and anti-boycotts. Marketing moves in mysterious ways.

rottenborough

Black_Rook said:

rottenborough said:

First. Like Liberals in C&A hopefully.

It would be nice to see the Government take a good kicking for a change but I don't think it's going to happen. The yellows are going to need to completely fillet both the Labour and Green votes, and win over substantial numbers of Tory switchers. Insofar as I can see they've nothing to offer except Nimbyism about HS2 (which the Greens will do with more enthusiasm,) set against which the Tories have a solid core vote that's very far from tired of the Government and ready to protest and to splinter. Again, it's 2021 not 1993.

Besides, from a purely personal POV I find it hard to summon much interest in or sympathy for the Lib Dems. They stood for unpicking the result of the Brexit vote, and now they don't really stand for much at all. Insofar as one can make out, the members just want them to be a marginally less left-wing version of the Labour Party, aimed at Waitrose shoppers. And I think that, after the 2019 phenomenon of voting to put Boris Johnson back into bat because he wasn't Jeremy Corbyn, it would be nice to have some positive reasons to vote for a party at last. "Vote for us - we're not Tories" ought to help them a bit, but simply being the least offensive/most beige option on the ballot paper hardly inspires.

I'm so old I remember the Greens being the only party calling for high speed rail in Britain.

RobD

FF43 said:

RobD said:

FF43 said:

Now that IKEA have pulled their ads from GBNews do supposed wokers like me have to start frequenting that life extracting establishment? Or can we get a pass from the fact that IKEA is owned by an actual Nazi who finds GBNews too extreme?

Isn't he dead?

No idea. Funnily enough, some of the brands as well as GB News itself are probably quite happy with the boycotts and anti-boycotts. Marketing moves in mysterious ways.

Well he is. So you might want to withdraw your comment unless you are arguing the current owner is an actual Nazi.

squareroot2

Lib Dem. Internal polling... has it ever been anything like accurate,?.. or is it hope and expectation over reality.

Leon

moonshine said:

Leon said:

moonshine said:

Floater said:

Paging Leon

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/ufo-investigations-us-considering-extraterrestrial-hypothesis

Do I not get a co credit as the sole proponent of this story for months!

By the way I meant to say to Topping yesterday, anyone that uses the phrase “little green men” in a pejorative way at this point of the game, marks themselves out as being at best intellectually incurious. If I’m polite about it. And in any case, if you’ve paid attention since as far back as Mulder and Scully, it should be “little grey men”.

You were first! You switched me on to this

As it happens my explanation has switched back to a mixture of hyperbole, pilot error - and elaborate
US psy-ops exploiting the same, but that is still a huge story - esp given the scale of the establishment reaction. Anyone who dismisses this as a ‘normal’ UFO flap really isn’t paying attention

And I do not rule out other conclusions

The cross party, multi administration psyops conspiracy theory is too far fetched for me. The only non-“exotic” explanation that makes even remote sense, is that mundane misinterpreted observations have captured the imagination of a hardcore of the US security state and it’s taken on a life of its own with each retelling. Secret US tech and foreign tech make no sense at all to me.

But to be honest this looks less likely than the simple conclusion that there is non human technology on earth / in its atmosphere (which has probably been here a long time, probably predating us). There really is no reason why this should be considered a fantastical explanation, it’s the most simple and logical explanation of the wealth of public evidence. And of course the multiple statements by various individuals with past or present top classification security status.

Your first paragraph is a more articulate expression than mine: of what is my present explanation - tho I add extra psy-ops, to fuck with Chinese minds

But I don’t rule out anything else

One of the things that makes me wonder is the multiple descriptions of 2 metre diameter illuminated metal spheres moving with ease between water and air. These, it seems, have been observed by Russian, Iranian and US military in recent decades, always near water

And then I find this. A spherical object apparently flying over the Bristol Channel, filmed by police. Invisible to the eye, observable by IR. Are these ALL weather balloons, but misidentified?!

https://twitter.com/bristollive/status/780776519186743296?s=21

Xtrain

rottenborough said:

Black_Rook said:

rottenborough said:

First. Like Liberals in C&A hopefully.

It would be nice to see the Government take a good kicking for a change but I don't think it's going to happen. The yellows are going to need to completely fillet both the Labour and Green votes, and win over substantial numbers of Tory switchers. Insofar as I can see they've nothing to offer except Nimbyism about HS2 (which the Greens will do with more enthusiasm,) set against which the Tories have a solid core vote that's very far from tired of the Government and ready to protest and to splinter. Again, it's 2021 not 1993.

Besides, from a purely personal POV I find it hard to summon much interest in or sympathy for the Lib Dems. They stood for unpicking the result of the Brexit vote, and now they don't really stand for much at all. Insofar as one can make out, the members just want them to be a marginally less left-wing version of the Labour Party, aimed at Waitrose shoppers. And I think that, after the 2019 phenomenon of voting to put Boris Johnson back into bat because he wasn't Jeremy Corbyn, it would be nice to have some positive reasons to vote for a party at last. "Vote for us - we're not Tories" ought to help them a bit, but simply being the least offensive/most beige option on the ballot paper hardly inspires.

I'm so old I remember the Greens being the only party calling for high speed rail in Britain.

I remember them campaigning for us to leave the EEC!

Razedabode

The picture quality of GB news is shit and looks low budget

But with the campaign against it on Twitter, part of me hopes it pulls through

HYUFD

SandyRentool said:

So is Outraged of Amersham going to vote LibDem because they can't visit a nightclub next week?

I can't see it.

No but they might vote Reform UK on that while the LDs get the Nimby vote

Leon

I’d forgotten how marvelous it is, to be in a house in the English countryside, on a fine summer’s evening, as the long light departs

Black_Rook

HYUFD said:

SandyRentool said:

So is Outraged of Amersham going to vote LibDem because they can't visit a nightclub next week?

I can't see it.

No but they might vote Reform UK on that while the LDs get the Nimby vote

I stand to be corrected by events but RefUK looks dead in the water to me.

HYUFD

In 2019 the Tories got 55% in Chesham and Amersham, the LDs got 26%, Labour got 13% and the Greens got 5%. There was no Brexit Party candidate.

If the LDs are on 41% now that suggests they have squeezed most of the 18% who voted Labour and Green in 2019 to be up 15% on last time.

If the Tories are down to 55% from 45% that also suggests ReformUK could be on 5-10%

dixiedean

Black_Rook said:

beentheredonethat said:

SandyRentool said:

So is Outraged of Amersham going to vote LibDem because they can't visit a nightclub next week?

I can't see it.

No but they might not come out to vote Tory. Very low turnout I reckon.

I don't know about that. I thought turnout would be about 30% in Hartlepool yet it ended up being over 40%; Chesham & Amersham could easily get to half.

Incidentally, I hadn't realised until I went looking for information that there is a "Rejoin EU" candidate available in this by-election for the fanatical ex-Remainers. Sadly the OMRLP aren't fielding a candidate so we can't speculate as to which one would receive the fewest votes, but if he does do unexpectedly well then this is unlikely to hurt the Conservatives.

May do. At 55% Remain, and 55 per cent Tory there must be plenty Remain Tories.

HYUFD

Black_Rook said:

HYUFD said:

SandyRentool said:

So is Outraged of Amersham going to vote LibDem because they can't visit a nightclub next week?

I can't see it.

No but they might vote Reform UK on that while the LDs get the Nimby vote

I stand to be corrected by events but RefUK looks dead in the water to me.

If the polling numbers CityAm are reporting are correct it seems Boris' announcement on Monday may have revived Farage and Tice's Party faster than Lazarus if the Tory voteshare is down 10%

MattW

squareroot2 said:

Lib Dem. Internal polling... has it ever been anything like accurate,?.. or is it hope and expectation over reality.

It's Bistromathics.

Lib Dem claims follow Hitchhiker ... from Infinite Improbability to numbers dependant upon movements in restaurants:

A major step up from the Infinite Improbability Drive, Bistromathics is a way of understanding the behavior of numbers. Just as Einstein observed that time was not an absolute, but depended on the observer's movement through space, so it was realised that numbers are not absolute, but depend on the observer's movement in restaurants.

Lib Dem numbers are never absolute, but depend upon movement in, particularly, Bars.

HYUFD

squareroot2 said:

Lib Dem. Internal polling... has it ever been anything like accurate,?.. or is it hope and expectation over reality.

It was accurate in Richmond Park

Black_Rook

HYUFD said:

In 2019 the Tories got 55% in Chesham and Amersham, the LDs got 26%, Labour got 13% and the Greens got 5%. There was no Brexit Party candidate.

If the LDs are on 41% now that suggests they have squeezed most of the 18% who voted Labour and Green in 2019 to be up 15% on last time.

If the Tories are down to 55% from 45% that also suggests ReformUK could be on 5-10%

If.

Mexicanpete

Razedabode said:

The picture quality of GB news is shit and looks low budget

But with the campaign against it on Twitter, part of me hopes it pulls through

GBNews is there, only to make angry people angrier. On the left as well as the right it would appear

Leon

The cottage where I sleep dates back at least to Henry VIII: the 16th century. Possibly long before. The owners, when they restored it, found a mummified cat in the walls. Also two shoes, one 14th century - and one from the 1940s. Brilliant. That’s a ghost story right there

The estate was owned by Cardinal Wolseley who gave it to Sir Richard Rich

I love Britain.

squareroot2

HYUFD said:

squareroot2 said:

Lib Dem. Internal polling... has it ever been anything like accurate,?.. or is it hope and expectation over reality.

It was accurate in Richmond Park

Once.. in how many elections.. ? I have o feeling as I am not in the constituency but I would trust this polling as much as I would a Llb Dem bar chart.

MattW

Leon said:

The cottage where I sleep dates back at least to Henry VIII: the 16th century. Possibly long before. The owners, when they restored it, found a mummified cat in the walls. Also two shoes, one 14th century - and one from the 1940s. Brilliant. That’s a ghost story right there

The estate was owned by Cardinal Wolseley who gave it to Sir Richard Rich

I love Britain.

Mummified cats are quite normal aiui. Have they found the witch, yet?

Just put a future mummified cat in my avatar.

SandyRentool

If Dick gets the chop, will it mark a transition for the Met?

HYUFD

Ministers considering giving Scottish MPs the right to vote down English legislation.

https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1404914403368214531?s=20

Without an English Parliament it would be an outrage

dixiedean

squareroot2 said:

HYUFD said:

squareroot2 said:

Lib Dem. Internal polling... has it ever been anything like accurate,?.. or is it hope and expectation over reality.

It was accurate in Richmond Park

Once.. in how many elections.. ? I have o feeling as I am not in the constituency but I would trust this polling as much as I would a Llb Dem bar chart.

On which point...
Are there any local PB ers? Or with a connection to the area? Or been canvassing?
We seem short of this kind of inside information.

Leon

Leo Varadkar has been apparently ‘ramping up tensions’ with this

‘United Ireland ‘can happen in my lifetime’ – Leo Varadkar tells Fine Gael ard fheis
belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-…’

Leo V is 42. He is therefore saying something ‘can’ happen in the next four decades, maybe

If you are stoked by this you are easily triggered

Within 40 years we will be ruled by computers based in space, or worse. I doubt we will be worrying about ‘Irish unification’

eek

SandyRentool said:

So is Outraged of Amersham going to vote LibDem because they can't visit a nightclub next week?

I can't see it.

In the 40 years I've known Amersham I don't ever remember there being a nightclub. Chesham had one but it was considered naff even in 1988

dixiedean

HYUFD said:

Ministers considering giving Scottish MPs the right to vote down English legislation.

https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1404914403368214531?s=20

Without an English Parliament it would be an outrage

Which reaction it is entirely designed to provoke...
Like GB News. I adopt an amused shrug.

TheScreamingEagles

Dirty Chelsea player bites the French player.

Lock him up and ban him for two years.

https://twitter.com/romankemp/status/1404888461069459463

state_go_away

Just had a small bet on Reform coming third in the Chesham by election at 33/1 (Ladbrokes). i would have thought some tories annoyed by the non lifting of social distancing and the tactical voting by Labour and Greens may give this a good chance

Anabobazina

Professor Tim Spector seems to be hinting that the PB early shout that the ‘cases’ inflation rate is slowing might be right.

“Update tomorrow” he promises…

FrancisUrquhart

TheScreamingEagles said:

Dirty Chelsea player bites the French player.

Lock him up and ban him for two years.

https://twitter.com/romankemp/status/1404888461069459463

Sexual assault as well...titty grab.

Foxy

SandyRentool said:

If Dick gets the chop, will it mark a transition for the Met?

Well Spotted, Dick may get her just desserts.

Pulpstar

8% of kids getting long covid, best to take the vaccination for them tbh.

Theuniondivvie

Leon said:

The cottage where I sleep dates back at least to Henry VIII: the 16th century. Possibly long before. The owners, when they restored it, found a mummified cat in the walls. Also two shoes, one 14th century - and one from the 1940s. Brilliant. That’s a ghost story right there

The estate was owned by Cardinal Wolseley who gave it to Sir Richard Rich

I love Britain.

Be a wrench when you scuttle off to whichever bastion of freedom you plump for.

Leon

Theuniondivvie said:

Leon said:

The cottage where I sleep dates back at least to Henry VIII: the 16th century. Possibly long before. The owners, when they restored it, found a mummified cat in the walls. Also two shoes, one 14th century - and one from the 1940s. Brilliant. That’s a ghost story right there

The estate was owned by Cardinal Wolseley who gave it to Sir Richard Rich

I love Britain.

Be a wrench when you scuttle off to whichever bastion of freedom you plump for.

I shall divide my time

HYUFD

Leon said:

Leo Varadkar has been apparently ‘ramping up tensions’ with this

‘United Ireland ‘can happen in my lifetime’ – Leo Varadkar tells Fine Gael ard fheis
belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-…’

Leo V is 42. He is therefore saying something ‘can’ happen in the next four decades, maybe

If you are stoked by this you are easily triggered

Within 40 years we will be ruled by computers based in space, or worse. I doubt we will be worrying about ‘Irish unification’

All Irish parties have always supported Irish unity, just FF and FG support a slower timetable for it than SF do so no news there.

In any case it is a matter for the people of Northern Ireland not the Irish government

(Anyway, who would control and programme the computers?)

LostPassword

Leon said:

Leo Varadkar has been apparently ‘ramping up tensions’ with this

‘United Ireland ‘can happen in my lifetime’ – Leo Varadkar tells Fine Gael ard fheis
belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-…’

Leo V is 42. He is therefore saying something ‘can’ happen in the next four decades, maybe

If you are stoked by this you are easily triggered

Within 40 years we will be ruled by computers based in space, or worse. I doubt we will be worrying about ‘Irish unification’

He's also saying some interesting things. Thinking about ways in which the Republic would have to change so that a United Ireland would be a success. Talking about a closer relationship with the UK.

Very different from the Sinn Fein approach of completing the war of independence.

Casino_Royale

They're probably 10-12% behind then.

Foxy

Looks like Castillo has it:

Peru, presidential election results:

100% counted

Castillo (PL, left): 50.12%
Fujimori (FP, right): 49.88%

The validity of some votes is still being challenged by Keiko Fujimori but it is not expected to be enough to reverse Castillo’s lead.

#Peru #EleccionesBicentenario https://t.co/gckXQxLF4u

Casino_Royale

turbotubbs said:

FF43 said:

Now that IKEA have pulled their ads from GBNews do supposed wokers like me have to start frequenting that life extracting establishment? Or can we get a pass from the fact that IKEA is owned by an actual Nazi who finds GBNews too extreme?

I do have to wonder quite what GB news have done that is so offensive. This is proving everything about woke behaviour, without even having to try.

Nothing. The Spectator fought back on this by giving a lifetime ban to any organisation that played this game.

It got the Co-op to fold.

Xtrain

Leon said:

I’d forgotten how marvelous it is, to be in a house in the English countryside, on a fine summer’s evening, as the long light departs

Yes with a dog by your side and a beer in your hand.

sarissa

FPT

sarissa said:

Leon said:

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

Leon said:

I just had gin, tonic and fine quirky cheeses in the garden of a quite famous Tory judge (retired) who says he encountered Sir Kir ‘Royale’ Starmer many times as Kir Royale rose through the ranks

Says Kir is outstandingly intelligent. But… zero charisma… is true

Our best prime minister is probably a combo of Boris and Royale. Boris to win elections, Royale to rule

I think that you should write a London newspaper column, say twice a week, with at least one-third (better more) devoted to your wanders to & fro across the (mostly London & English) countryside. With the spice of your views on whatever topic has got you interested - obsessed - enthralled - enraged at any given moment.

Certainly your word pictures, culinary reviews AND high-brow chit-chat are some of the best of PB.

A splendid idea!

Did you ever get to the Danakil and Erte Ale? Being a volcano junkie, it has always been on my bucket list.

citycentre

This from a Whitehall leak in march as problems in vaccine supply are emerging tonight
The final milestone is due on June 21st where ALL restrictions were promised to be lifted. This will not be allowed to happen. Vaccine passports / Track and Trace will be mandatory, as will masks and social distancing. The entire week of the 21st will be taken up by a third wave, which will suddenly be ‘rampant’, and this will be attributed to a new variant which they will declare is more deadly than the previous strains of Covid allegedly doing the rounds. This will be accompanied with yet more issues with vaccine supplies. Authorities will declare that one of the vaccines is effective against the deadlier strain, but a ‘problem’ with its manufacture will emerge.

The Whitehall source went on to say –

“All the measures are aimed at two things, vaccine passports and lockdowns starting next winter, The ultimate goal is to have the public, back in their box."

citycentre

And this is tonight's telegraph article
Pfizer supply shortage forces Covid vaccine rollout to slow down

Rate at which jabs dispensed set to fall further as supplies cut in hotspots where infections have taken hold among younger groups

ByBill Gardner and Laura Donnelly, HEALTH EDITOR

RobD

citycentre said:

This from a Whitehall leak in march as problems in vaccine supply are emerging tonight
The final milestone is due on June 21st where ALL restrictions were promised to be lifted. This will not be allowed to happen. Vaccine passports / Track and Trace will be mandatory, as will masks and social distancing. The entire week of the 21st will be taken up by a third wave, which will suddenly be ‘rampant’, and this will be attributed to a new variant which they will declare is more deadly than the previous strains of Covid allegedly doing the rounds. This will be accompanied with yet more issues with vaccine supplies. Authorities will declare that one of the vaccines is effective against the deadlier strain, but a ‘problem’ with its manufacture will emerge.

The Whitehall source went on to say –

“All the measures are aimed at two things, vaccine passports and lockdowns starting next winter, The ultimate goal is to have the public, back in their box."

What's the source for this?

ping

RobD said:

citycentre said:

This from a Whitehall leak in march as problems in vaccine supply are emerging tonight
The final milestone is due on June 21st where ALL restrictions were promised to be lifted. This will not be allowed to happen. Vaccine passports / Track and Trace will be mandatory, as will masks and social distancing. The entire week of the 21st will be taken up by a third wave, which will suddenly be ‘rampant’, and this will be attributed to a new variant which they will declare is more deadly than the previous strains of Covid allegedly doing the rounds. This will be accompanied with yet more issues with vaccine supplies. Authorities will declare that one of the vaccines is effective against the deadlier strain, but a ‘problem’ with its manufacture will emerge.

The Whitehall source went on to say –

“All the measures are aimed at two things, vaccine passports and lockdowns starting next winter, The ultimate goal is to have the public, back in their box."

What's the source for this?

The internet. Init

Anabobazina

citycentre said:

This from a Whitehall leak in march as problems in vaccine supply are emerging tonight
The final milestone is due on June 21st where ALL restrictions were promised to be lifted. This will not be allowed to happen. Vaccine passports / Track and Trace will be mandatory, as will masks and social distancing. The entire week of the 21st will be taken up by a third wave, which will suddenly be ‘rampant’, and this will be attributed to a new variant which they will declare is more deadly than the previous strains of Covid allegedly doing the rounds. This will be accompanied with yet more issues with vaccine supplies. Authorities will declare that one of the vaccines is effective against the deadlier strain, but a ‘problem’ with its manufacture will emerge.

The Whitehall source went on to say –

“All the measures are aimed at two things, vaccine passports and lockdowns starting next winter, The ultimate goal is to have the public, back in their box."

There are specialist sites for this sort of stuff.

Pulpstar

squareroot2 said:

Lib Dem. Internal polling... has it ever been anything like accurate,?.. or is it hope and expectation over reality.

Lib Dem internal polling is very good generally.

Also they tend to be quite good at by-elections - see Brecon, Richmond. Remember it's normal for opposition parties to do better in by-elections than the governing party typically; it's just Starmer is so shit he is going backwards in Labour's old heartlands.

The gap is I think too great for the Lib Dems to overcome here but they'll be within 10%, a decent swing from the GE.

darkage

Razedabode said:

The picture quality of GB news is shit and looks low budget

But with the campaign against it on Twitter, part of me hopes it pulls through

I think the lo-fi nature of this channel works in its favour. They should just keep it like this. Maybe it is deliberate.

The suggestion from the woke is that it is funded by sinister Murdoch like trillionaires. Well that can't be true, they would surely have funded a decent studio. How hard can that be? The technology costs a fraction of what it used to.

It looks like it is under siege. It is under siege. It looks like a low budget youtube channel. Everyone is desperately trying to cancel it. Woke Scandinavian brands are desperately begging for forgiveness for being associated with it.

All this just increases its appeal. It puts the focus on the actual content, which in terms of commentary and analysis is far better than the obvious bias of the BBC and Sky.

williamglenn

ping said:

RobD said:

citycentre said:

This from a Whitehall leak in march as problems in vaccine supply are emerging tonight
The final milestone is due on June 21st where ALL restrictions were promised to be lifted. This will not be allowed to happen. Vaccine passports / Track and Trace will be mandatory, as will masks and social distancing. The entire week of the 21st will be taken up by a third wave, which will suddenly be ‘rampant’, and this will be attributed to a new variant which they will declare is more deadly than the previous strains of Covid allegedly doing the rounds. This will be accompanied with yet more issues with vaccine supplies. Authorities will declare that one of the vaccines is effective against the deadlier strain, but a ‘problem’ with its manufacture will emerge.

The Whitehall source went on to say –

“All the measures are aimed at two things, vaccine passports and lockdowns starting next winter, The ultimate goal is to have the public, back in their box."

What's the source for this?

The internet. Init

Conspiraloons dot com.

MrEd

Foxy said:

SandyRentool said:

If Dick gets the chop, will it mark a transition for the Met?

Well Spotted, Dick may get her just desserts.

With a photo entitled “Dick Pic”

Casino_Royale

LostPassword said:

Leon said:

Leo Varadkar has been apparently ‘ramping up tensions’ with this

‘United Ireland ‘can happen in my lifetime’ – Leo Varadkar tells Fine Gael ard fheis
belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-…’

Leo V is 42. He is therefore saying something ‘can’ happen in the next four decades, maybe

If you are stoked by this you are easily triggered

Within 40 years we will be ruled by computers based in space, or worse. I doubt we will be worrying about ‘Irish unification’

He's also saying some interesting things. Thinking about ways in which the Republic would have to change so that a United Ireland would be a success. Talking about a closer relationship with the UK.

Very different from the Sinn Fein approach of completing the war of independence.

I'd be interested in understanding what a "new and closer relationship" with the UK would look like.

Just a bit of cosmetics whilst keeping the Euro and plunging full deep into the machinations of EU political union wouldn't cut it.

Casino_Royale

RobD said:

citycentre said:

This from a Whitehall leak in march as problems in vaccine supply are emerging tonight
The final milestone is due on June 21st where ALL restrictions were promised to be lifted. This will not be allowed to happen. Vaccine passports / Track and Trace will be mandatory, as will masks and social distancing. The entire week of the 21st will be taken up by a third wave, which will suddenly be ‘rampant’, and this will be attributed to a new variant which they will declare is more deadly than the previous strains of Covid allegedly doing the rounds. This will be accompanied with yet more issues with vaccine supplies. Authorities will declare that one of the vaccines is effective against the deadlier strain, but a ‘problem’ with its manufacture will emerge.

The Whitehall source went on to say –

“All the measures are aimed at two things, vaccine passports and lockdowns starting next winter, The ultimate goal is to have the public, back in their box."

What's the source for this?

Good question. Sounds a bit like shit-stirring to me.

Pulpstar

citycentre said:

And this is tonight's telegraph article
Pfizer supply shortage forces Covid vaccine rollout to slow down

Rate at which jabs dispensed set to fall further as supplies cut in hotspots where infections have taken hold among younger groups

ByBill Gardner and Laura Donnelly, HEALTH EDITOR

Tbh we'll be hitting the long demand limitation tail with first doses soon anyway so reduced supply isn't a colossal issue.

MrEd

Casino_Royale said:

LostPassword said:

Leon said:

Leo Varadkar has been apparently ‘ramping up tensions’ with this

‘United Ireland ‘can happen in my lifetime’ – Leo Varadkar tells Fine Gael ard fheis
belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-…’

Leo V is 42. He is therefore saying something ‘can’ happen in the next four decades, maybe

If you are stoked by this you are easily triggered

Within 40 years we will be ruled by computers based in space, or worse. I doubt we will be worrying about ‘Irish unification’

He's also saying some interesting things. Thinking about ways in which the Republic would have to change so that a United Ireland would be a success. Talking about a closer relationship with the UK.

Very different from the Sinn Fein approach of completing the war of independence.

I'd be interested in understanding what a "new and closer relationship" with the UK would look like.

Just a bit of cosmetics whilst keeping the Euro and plunging full deep into the machinations of EU political union wouldn't cut it.

How about an United Ireland under the British Crown? That would sort out the border problem immediately

MaxPB

Casino_Royale said:

LostPassword said:

Leon said:

Leo Varadkar has been apparently ‘ramping up tensions’ with this

‘United Ireland ‘can happen in my lifetime’ – Leo Varadkar tells Fine Gael ard fheis
belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-…’

Leo V is 42. He is therefore saying something ‘can’ happen in the next four decades, maybe

If you are stoked by this you are easily triggered

Within 40 years we will be ruled by computers based in space, or worse. I doubt we will be worrying about ‘Irish unification’

He's also saying some interesting things. Thinking about ways in which the Republic would have to change so that a United Ireland would be a success. Talking about a closer relationship with the UK.

Very different from the Sinn Fein approach of completing the war of independence.

I'd be interested in understanding what a "new and closer relationship" with the UK would look like.

Just a bit of cosmetics whilst keeping the Euro and plunging full deep into the machinations of EU political union wouldn't cut it.

It's almost a certainty he means the other way around, that the UK will be crowbarred back into the EU's orbit.

Foxy

darkage said:

Razedabode said:

The picture quality of GB news is shit and looks low budget

But with the campaign against it on Twitter, part of me hopes it pulls through

I think the lo-fi nature of this channel works in its favour. They should just keep it like this. Maybe it is deliberate.

The suggestion from the woke is that it is funded by sinister Murdoch like trillionaires. Well that can't be true, they would surely have funded a decent studio. How hard can that be? The technology costs a fraction of what it used to.

It looks like it is under siege. It is under siege. It looks like a low budget youtube channel. Everyone is desperately trying to cancel it. Woke Scandinavian brands are desperately begging for forgiveness for being associated with it.

All this just increases its appeal. It puts the focus on the actual content, which in terms of commentary and analysis is far better than the obvious bias of the BBC and Sky.

Classic joke from Porkies on GBNews.

#gbnews #DewbsandCo can't believe they fell for Mike Hunt gag from Porkys ffs 😂 https://t.co/gFruI0iGJi

https://twitter.com/skywhistleblow1/status/1404867732106104833?s=19

MattW

ping said:

RobD said:

citycentre said:

This from a Whitehall leak in march as problems in vaccine supply are emerging tonight
The final milestone is due on June 21st where ALL restrictions were promised to be lifted. This will not be allowed to happen. Vaccine passports / Track and Trace will be mandatory, as will masks and social distancing. The entire week of the 21st will be taken up by a third wave, which will suddenly be ‘rampant’, and this will be attributed to a new variant which they will declare is more deadly than the previous strains of Covid allegedly doing the rounds. This will be accompanied with yet more issues with vaccine supplies. Authorities will declare that one of the vaccines is effective against the deadlier strain, but a ‘problem’ with its manufacture will emerge.

The Whitehall source went on to say –

“All the measures are aimed at two things, vaccine passports and lockdowns starting next winter, The ultimate goal is to have the public, back in their box."

What's the source for this?

The internet. Init

Various nutters.

Pulpstar

So far as I can work out the various betting markets and so on indicate Labour might lose their deposit
They're actually 6-4 to come third with Ladbrokes, might be worth a punt. I was allowed all of £1.67 anyhow.

Greens are 8-15.

williamglenn

MaxPB said:

Casino_Royale said:

LostPassword said:

Leon said:

Leo Varadkar has been apparently ‘ramping up tensions’ with this

‘United Ireland ‘can happen in my lifetime’ – Leo Varadkar tells Fine Gael ard fheis
belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-…’

Leo V is 42. He is therefore saying something ‘can’ happen in the next four decades, maybe

If you are stoked by this you are easily triggered

Within 40 years we will be ruled by computers based in space, or worse. I doubt we will be worrying about ‘Irish unification’

He's also saying some interesting things. Thinking about ways in which the Republic would have to change so that a United Ireland would be a success. Talking about a closer relationship with the UK.

Very different from the Sinn Fein approach of completing the war of independence.

I'd be interested in understanding what a "new and closer relationship" with the UK would look like.

Just a bit of cosmetics whilst keeping the Euro and plunging full deep into the machinations of EU political union wouldn't cut it.

It's almost a certainty he means the other way around, that the UK will be crowbarred back into the EU's orbit.

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/ireland-expects-uk-brexit-position-shift-following-g7-pressure-2021-06-15/

Coveney: Ireland expects UK Brexit position to shift following G7 pressure

HYUFD

Pulpstar said:

So far as I can work out the various betting markets and so on indicate Labour might lose their deposit

There is a real chance on tonight's poll Labour could come 5th on Thursday in Chesham and Amersham behind the Tories, LDs, ReformUK and the Greens

FrancisUrquhart

From GB News....if you want a giggle, 2 mins onward, the lady in the red in the background appears to have a temper tantrum....initially I thought she was perhaps celebrating a goal in the footie or something, but watch he come back to her desk..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNmsygTcbHU

Floater

You have got to be shitting me

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/06/15/primary-school-pupils-should-learn-white-privilege-says-re-teachers/

Casino_Royale

MaxPB said:

Casino_Royale said:

LostPassword said:

Leon said:

Leo Varadkar has been apparently ‘ramping up tensions’ with this

‘United Ireland ‘can happen in my lifetime’ – Leo Varadkar tells Fine Gael ard fheis
belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-…’

Leo V is 42. He is therefore saying something ‘can’ happen in the next four decades, maybe

If you are stoked by this you are easily triggered

Within 40 years we will be ruled by computers based in space, or worse. I doubt we will be worrying about ‘Irish unification’

He's also saying some interesting things. Thinking about ways in which the Republic would have to change so that a United Ireland would be a success. Talking about a closer relationship with the UK.

Very different from the Sinn Fein approach of completing the war of independence.

I'd be interested in understanding what a "new and closer relationship" with the UK would look like.

Just a bit of cosmetics whilst keeping the Euro and plunging full deep into the machinations of EU political union wouldn't cut it.

It's almost a certainty he means the other way around, that the UK will be crowbarred back into the EU's orbit.

That's his objective.

The logical implication of what he's saying though is a common market for the British Isles, and a more semi-detached relationship for Ireland within the EU.

Foxy

Pulpstar said:

squareroot2 said:

Lib Dem. Internal polling... has it ever been anything like accurate,?.. or is it hope and expectation over reality.

Lib Dem internal polling is very good generally.

Also they tend to be quite good at by-elections - see Brecon, Richmond. Remember it's normal for opposition parties to do better in by-elections than the governing party typically; it's just Starmer is so shit he is going backwards in Labour's old heartlands.

The gap is I think too great for the Lib Dems to overcome here but they'll be within 10%, a decent swing from the GE.

I am always suspicious of "internal polling says X".

Published polling is bad enough, but polling that we don't know sample size, sample method, weighting or breakdown is as reliable as Mystic Megs tea leaves.

Charles

Can someone remind me: how accurate was the LibDems constituency push polling back in (I think) 2017?

Weren’t they supposed to win 40 seats or something?

Andy_JS

Tory MP for Rutland & Melton defends GB News and takes on IKEA.


"Alicia Kearns MP for Rutland and Melton
@aliciakearns
IKEA with its “humanistic values” found guilty of spying on its staff illegally… today.

Turns out it used slave labour of political opponents of East Germany.

Thanks for making me do my research IKEA.

#GBNews

https://dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2141054/The-Ikea-sofa-political-prisoners-Stasi-camps.html

https://google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/2021/jun/15/ikea-fined-1m-by-french-court-for-spying-on-staff
9:10 PM · Jun 15, 2021"

https://twitter.com/aliciakearns/status/1404894144540065797

LostPassword

Casino_Royale said:

LostPassword said:

Leon said:

Leo Varadkar has been apparently ‘ramping up tensions’ with this

‘United Ireland ‘can happen in my lifetime’ – Leo Varadkar tells Fine Gael ard fheis
belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-…’

Leo V is 42. He is therefore saying something ‘can’ happen in the next four decades, maybe

If you are stoked by this you are easily triggered

Within 40 years we will be ruled by computers based in space, or worse. I doubt we will be worrying about ‘Irish unification’

He's also saying some interesting things. Thinking about ways in which the Republic would have to change so that a United Ireland would be a success. Talking about a closer relationship with the UK.

Very different from the Sinn Fein approach of completing the war of independence.

I'd be interested in understanding what a "new and closer relationship" with the UK would look like.

Just a bit of cosmetics whilst keeping the Euro and plunging full deep into the machinations of EU political union wouldn't cut it.

I wouldn't expect him to have any answers at this stage, but it's interesting that he's putting the questions out there and saying that these things need to be considered.

Commonwealth membership probably comes into the cosmetic category - but I think symbols are unusually important in this case - but it would mark a significant change in approach from Ireland.

Floater

Charles said:

Can someone remind me: how accurate was the LibDems constituency push polling back in (I think) 2017?

Weren’t they supposed to win 40 seats or something?

I seem to remember something about preparing for government a little further back than that

Casino_Royale

williamglenn said:

MaxPB said:

Casino_Royale said:

LostPassword said:

Leon said:

Leo Varadkar has been apparently ‘ramping up tensions’ with this

‘United Ireland ‘can happen in my lifetime’ – Leo Varadkar tells Fine Gael ard fheis
belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-…’

Leo V is 42. He is therefore saying something ‘can’ happen in the next four decades, maybe

If you are stoked by this you are easily triggered

Within 40 years we will be ruled by computers based in space, or worse. I doubt we will be worrying about ‘Irish unification’

He's also saying some interesting things. Thinking about ways in which the Republic would have to change so that a United Ireland would be a success. Talking about a closer relationship with the UK.

Very different from the Sinn Fein approach of completing the war of independence.

I'd be interested in understanding what a "new and closer relationship" with the UK would look like.

Just a bit of cosmetics whilst keeping the Euro and plunging full deep into the machinations of EU political union wouldn't cut it.

It's almost a certainty he means the other way around, that the UK will be crowbarred back into the EU's orbit.

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/ireland-expects-uk-brexit-position-shift-following-g7-pressure-2021-06-15/

Coveney: Ireland expects UK Brexit position to shift following G7 pressure

What's fascinating about the EU's behaviour at the G7 is that they're so narrow-minded and insular that crowbarring the UK back into alignment via the NI protocol is more important to them than standing up to China, or global economic recovery or climate change.

Nothing must defy The Project.

I suspect Biden was fed up of them by the end.

Pulpstar

Charles said:

Can someone remind me: how accurate was the LibDems constituency push polling back in (I think) 2017?

Weren’t they supposed to win 40 seats or something?

Foxy said:

Pulpstar said:

squareroot2 said:

Lib Dem. Internal polling... has it ever been anything like accurate,?.. or is it hope and expectation over reality.

Lib Dem internal polling is very good generally.

Also they tend to be quite good at by-elections - see Brecon, Richmond. Remember it's normal for opposition parties to do better in by-elections than the governing party typically; it's just Starmer is so shit he is going backwards in Labour's old heartlands.

The gap is I think too great for the Lib Dems to overcome here but they'll be within 10%, a decent swing from the GE.

I am always suspicious of "internal polling says X".

Published polling is bad enough, but polling that we don't know sample size, sample method, weighting or breakdown is as reliable as Mystic Megs tea leaves.

Lib Dem internal data/polling has a decent record on by-elections !

Benpointer

turbotubbs said:

FF43 said:

Now that IKEA have pulled their ads from GBNews do supposed wokers like me have to start frequenting that life extracting establishment? Or can we get a pass from the fact that IKEA is owned by an actual Nazi who finds GBNews too extreme?

I do have to wonder quite what GB news have done that is so offensive. This is proving everything about woke behaviour, without even having to try.

Lol! That's what happens when you let the free market determine everything 😂

HYUFD

Casino_Royale said:

williamglenn said:

MaxPB said:

Casino_Royale said:

LostPassword said:

Leon said:

Leo Varadkar has been apparently ‘ramping up tensions’ with this

‘United Ireland ‘can happen in my lifetime’ – Leo Varadkar tells Fine Gael ard fheis
belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-…’

Leo V is 42. He is therefore saying something ‘can’ happen in the next four decades, maybe

If you are stoked by this you are easily triggered

Within 40 years we will be ruled by computers based in space, or worse. I doubt we will be worrying about ‘Irish unification’

He's also saying some interesting things. Thinking about ways in which the Republic would have to change so that a United Ireland would be a success. Talking about a closer relationship with the UK.

Very different from the Sinn Fein approach of completing the war of independence.

I'd be interested in understanding what a "new and closer relationship" with the UK would look like.

Just a bit of cosmetics whilst keeping the Euro and plunging full deep into the machinations of EU political union wouldn't cut it.

It's almost a certainty he means the other way around, that the UK will be crowbarred back into the EU's orbit.

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/ireland-expects-uk-brexit-position-shift-following-g7-pressure-2021-06-15/

Coveney: Ireland expects UK Brexit position to shift following G7 pressure

What's fascinating about the EU's behaviour at the G7 is that they're so narrow-minded and insular that crowbarring the UK back into alignment via the NI protocol is more important to them than standing up to China, or global economic recovery or climate change.

Nothing must defy The Project.

I suspect Biden was fed up of them by the end.

To be fair to Macron he did back Boris and Biden on more infrastructure spending by the G7 in the developing world to counter Chinese influence but it was Merkel who was pushing back on it.

For Macron though "France never took the liberty to question the sovereignty, the territorial integrity of the United Kingdom."

"I remember that when Boris Johnson came to power, he didn't want to keep the backstop, which was defended by Theresa May," he added. "Prime Minister Boris Johnson knew very well then that an issue of controls would be posed and he signed a protocol for northern Ireland that provided for these controls."

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/macron-says-we-love-sausage-lets-not-waste-time-this-2021-06-13/