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Favoured Voters – politicalbetting.com

What’s the difference between bribing voters and fulfilling electoral promises to them?  Outright bribery is now illegal but politicians still promise the earth and try to deliver. How else will they win re-election, after all. The Americans have a down to earth name for it: pork barrel politics. The Italians have an even better description: “clientilismo” – the dispensing of favours, money, jobs, projects to a party’s supporters largely for being a supporter, the public purse seen primarily as a source of largesse for those with access to it. 

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TheScreamingEagles

Interesting.

TheScreamingEagles

FPT

Talking about food.

I tried to make Hyena soup.

Made myself a laughing stock.

IshmaelZ

TheScreamingEagles said:

Interesting.

Deadpan.

TheScreamingEagles

IshmaelZ said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Interesting.

Deadpan.

I just wanted to bagsy a first.

TheScreamingEagles

On topic, given today's ruling about some of the contracts the PM handed out you can understand why the PM wants to reduce judicial reviews.

He hates scrutiny.

darkage

FPT

NorthofStoke said:

darkage said:

Fishing said:

darkage said:

Casino_Royale said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Fuck taking the fucking knee


https://www.cmps.edu/on-having-whiteness

"On Having Whiteness


"Donald Moss will discuss whiteness as a condition one first acquires and then one has--a malignant, parasitic-like condition to which “white” people have a particular susceptibility. He describes the condition as being foundational, generating characteristic ways of being in one’s body, in one’s mind, and in one’s world: Parasitic whiteness renders its hosts’ appetites voracious, insatiable, and perverse; these deformed appetites particularly target non-white people; and, once established, these appetites are nearly impossible to eliminate"

Not sure what that has got to do with black lives matter mate

Black Lives Matter, or is it Black Lives mAttEr, I dunno, is a Marxist organisation which aims to defund the police, deconstruct the family and destroy any self-respect white people have by instilling an intrinsic guilt about racism, which can never be erased. If you deny your racism you are a racist, if you admit you are racist, get down on your knees

Fuck it. It is loathsome. White people conquered the world, and invented modernity. I will never be ashamed of this, as a white person, because I didn't do it; in the end I will take pride in it, as a race, if necessary

Because that is the end of this hideous divisiveness: White Pride. Maybe that is what they want

Well, I was with you until the end of the first paragraph.

I think some of the fanatics behind this want racial strife in the same way the old lot wanted class strife, because they thought it'd bring about The Revolution.

That (white pride) is the elephant trap that they want you to fall in to, thus proving them right all along.

What is quite interesting is that it hasn't happened. There is no outburst of white pride. People agree with black lives matter because for the most part, they want to move on from racism. However, they have no real understanding of the post marxist agenda of the actual organisation, which is exploiting peoples sympathy towards getting rid of racism. Thats the problem. How to break the link.

It is of course a common tactic of extremist organisations to attach themselves to, and try to parasite on, popular movements ("entryism"). The Socialist Workers Party did so in the Miner's Strike for instance, and Class War did with the poll tax riots. You got neo-Nazi groups trying to infilrate UKIP and the Conservative Party too.

That is their only tactic without significant popular support in this country, as we have an excellent voting system that ruthlessly punishes cranks and nutters, so they will never hold the balance of power in coalition governments, which is their other route to influence.

Yep. The problem is a bit deeper than that though. The 'Black Lives Matter' organisation are a small part of the problem. The bigger problem is the ideas connected to identity politics, which emphasise racial differences, and link these to outcomes and experiences. They have infiltrated all political parties, and have become deeply entrenched in our legal system. They have largely conquered universities. They are largely running unopposed through schools and businesses. This way of thinking inherently makes racial equality impossible. It purports to promote equality, but then turns everything in to a conflict about race, to which there seems to be no real answer or point other than to promote an endless power struggle between different racial groups.

It needs to be hammered intellectually (easy if opposition is not shouted down) especially in academia. Aggressive woke academics need their pathetic charlatan drivel exposed, dismantled and ridiculed.

This won't happen any time soon due to the fact that the woke have taken over most social science departments at universities, and because they have found ways to protect these theories from intellectual criticism.

Its hard to see what the answer is but unless some radical action is taken universties will become pointless because they are just being used as a way of legitimising propoganda and ideological drivel. I've already given up on going in to the academy because it will be starting from a bad place and carrying out a rear guard action from there.

If anyone is interested in this, the book Cynical Theories by James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose is a must read and explains the situation brilliantly (albeit incredibly depressing )

Gallowgate

darkage said:

FPT

NorthofStoke said:

darkage said:

Fishing said:

darkage said:

Casino_Royale said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Fuck taking the fucking knee


https://www.cmps.edu/on-having-whiteness

"On Having Whiteness


"Donald Moss will discuss whiteness as a condition one first acquires and then one has--a malignant, parasitic-like condition to which “white” people have a particular susceptibility. He describes the condition as being foundational, generating characteristic ways of being in one’s body, in one’s mind, and in one’s world: Parasitic whiteness renders its hosts’ appetites voracious, insatiable, and perverse; these deformed appetites particularly target non-white people; and, once established, these appetites are nearly impossible to eliminate"

Not sure what that has got to do with black lives matter mate

Black Lives Matter, or is it Black Lives mAttEr, I dunno, is a Marxist organisation which aims to defund the police, deconstruct the family and destroy any self-respect white people have by instilling an intrinsic guilt about racism, which can never be erased. If you deny your racism you are a racist, if you admit you are racist, get down on your knees

Fuck it. It is loathsome. White people conquered the world, and invented modernity. I will never be ashamed of this, as a white person, because I didn't do it; in the end I will take pride in it, as a race, if necessary

Because that is the end of this hideous divisiveness: White Pride. Maybe that is what they want

Well, I was with you until the end of the first paragraph.

I think some of the fanatics behind this want racial strife in the same way the old lot wanted class strife, because they thought it'd bring about The Revolution.

That (white pride) is the elephant trap that they want you to fall in to, thus proving them right all along.

What is quite interesting is that it hasn't happened. There is no outburst of white pride. People agree with black lives matter because for the most part, they want to move on from racism. However, they have no real understanding of the post marxist agenda of the actual organisation, which is exploiting peoples sympathy towards getting rid of racism. Thats the problem. How to break the link.

It is of course a common tactic of extremist organisations to attach themselves to, and try to parasite on, popular movements ("entryism"). The Socialist Workers Party did so in the Miner's Strike for instance, and Class War did with the poll tax riots. You got neo-Nazi groups trying to infilrate UKIP and the Conservative Party too.

That is their only tactic without significant popular support in this country, as we have an excellent voting system that ruthlessly punishes cranks and nutters, so they will never hold the balance of power in coalition governments, which is their other route to influence.

Yep. The problem is a bit deeper than that though. The 'Black Lives Matter' organisation are a small part of the problem. The bigger problem is the ideas connected to identity politics, which emphasise racial differences, and link these to outcomes and experiences. They have infiltrated all political parties, and have become deeply entrenched in our legal system. They have largely conquered universities. They are largely running unopposed through schools and businesses. This way of thinking inherently makes racial equality impossible. It purports to promote equality, but then turns everything in to a conflict about race, to which there seems to be no real answer or point other than to promote an endless power struggle between different racial groups.

It needs to be hammered intellectually (easy if opposition is not shouted down) especially in academia. Aggressive woke academics need their pathetic charlatan drivel exposed, dismantled and ridiculed.

This won't happen any time soon due to the fact that the woke have taken over most social science departments at universities, and because they have found ways to protect these theories from intellectual criticism.

Its hard to see what the answer is but unless some radical action is taken universties will become pointless because they are just being used as a way of legitimising propoganda and ideological drivel. I've already given up on going in to the academy because it will be starting from a bad place and carrying out a rear guard action from there.

If anyone is interested in this, the book Cynical Theories by James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose is a must read and explains the situation brilliantly (albeit incredibly depressing )

99% of people who go to universities are not remotely interested in any of this stuff

SeaShantyIrish2

darkage said:

FPT

NorthofStoke said:

darkage said:

Fishing said:

darkage said:

Casino_Royale said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Fuck taking the fucking knee


https://www.cmps.edu/on-having-whiteness

"On Having Whiteness


"Donald Moss will discuss whiteness as a condition one first acquires and then one has--a malignant, parasitic-like condition to which “white” people have a particular susceptibility. He describes the condition as being foundational, generating characteristic ways of being in one’s body, in one’s mind, and in one’s world: Parasitic whiteness renders its hosts’ appetites voracious, insatiable, and perverse; these deformed appetites particularly target non-white people; and, once established, these appetites are nearly impossible to eliminate"

Not sure what that has got to do with black lives matter mate

Black Lives Matter, or is it Black Lives mAttEr, I dunno, is a Marxist organisation which aims to defund the police, deconstruct the family and destroy any self-respect white people have by instilling an intrinsic guilt about racism, which can never be erased. If you deny your racism you are a racist, if you admit you are racist, get down on your knees

Fuck it. It is loathsome. White people conquered the world, and invented modernity. I will never be ashamed of this, as a white person, because I didn't do it; in the end I will take pride in it, as a race, if necessary

Because that is the end of this hideous divisiveness: White Pride. Maybe that is what they want

Well, I was with you until the end of the first paragraph.

I think some of the fanatics behind this want racial strife in the same way the old lot wanted class strife, because they thought it'd bring about The Revolution.

That (white pride) is the elephant trap that they want you to fall in to, thus proving them right all along.

What is quite interesting is that it hasn't happened. There is no outburst of white pride. People agree with black lives matter because for the most part, they want to move on from racism. However, they have no real understanding of the post marxist agenda of the actual organisation, which is exploiting peoples sympathy towards getting rid of racism. Thats the problem. How to break the link.

It is of course a common tactic of extremist organisations to attach themselves to, and try to parasite on, popular movements ("entryism"). The Socialist Workers Party did so in the Miner's Strike for instance, and Class War did with the poll tax riots. You got neo-Nazi groups trying to infilrate UKIP and the Conservative Party too.

That is their only tactic without significant popular support in this country, as we have an excellent voting system that ruthlessly punishes cranks and nutters, so they will never hold the balance of power in coalition governments, which is their other route to influence.

Yep. The problem is a bit deeper than that though. The 'Black Lives Matter' organisation are a small part of the problem. The bigger problem is the ideas connected to identity politics, which emphasise racial differences, and link these to outcomes and experiences. They have infiltrated all political parties, and have become deeply entrenched in our legal system. They have largely conquered universities. They are largely running unopposed through schools and businesses. This way of thinking inherently makes racial equality impossible. It purports to promote equality, but then turns everything in to a conflict about race, to which there seems to be no real answer or point other than to promote an endless power struggle between different racial groups.

It needs to be hammered intellectually (easy if opposition is not shouted down) especially in academia. Aggressive woke academics need their pathetic charlatan drivel exposed, dismantled and ridiculed.

This won't happen any time soon due to the fact that the woke have taken over most social science departments at universities, and because they have found ways to protect these theories from intellectual criticism.

Its hard to see what the answer is but unless some radical action is taken universties will become pointless because they are just being used as a way of legitimising propoganda and ideological drivel. I've already given up on going in to the academy because it will be starting from a bad place and carrying out a rear guard action from there.

If anyone is interested in this, the book Cynical Theories by James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose is a must read and explains the situation brilliantly (albeit incredibly depressing )

Anti-wokery as a cottage industry is nothing new. Indeed, it was how William J. Buckley first emerged as a right-wing guru;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_and_Man_at_Yale

'"God and Man at Yale: The Superstitions of "Academic Freedom" is a 1951 book by William F. Buckley Jr., based on his undergraduate experiences at Yale University. Buckley, then aged 25, criticized Yale for forcing collectivist, Keynesian, and secularist ideology on students, criticizing several professors by name, arguing that they tried to break down students' religious beliefs through their hostility to religion and that Yale was denying its students any sense of individualism by making them embrace the ideas of liberalism.'

CarlottaVance

TheScreamingEagles said:

On topic, given today's ruling about some of the contracts the PM handed out you can understand why the PM wants to reduce judicial reviews.

He hates scrutiny.

You could tell he wasn't exactly thrilled by Mrs May's question about making Public Enquiry evidence subject to perjury prosecutions either....

WhisperingOracle

There is no single 'woke' movement, just as there was no single "politically correctness" movement in the 1990s. There are people on the less flexible and more extreme reaches of the left, and there are people with more open minds on the left.

Leon

darkage said:

FPT

NorthofStoke said:

darkage said:

Fishing said:

darkage said:

Casino_Royale said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Fuck taking the fucking knee


https://www.cmps.edu/on-having-whiteness

"On Having Whiteness


"Donald Moss will discuss whiteness as a condition one first acquires and then one has--a malignant, parasitic-like condition to which “white” people have a particular susceptibility. He describes the condition as being foundational, generating characteristic ways of being in one’s body, in one’s mind, and in one’s world: Parasitic whiteness renders its hosts’ appetites voracious, insatiable, and perverse; these deformed appetites particularly target non-white people; and, once established, these appetites are nearly impossible to eliminate"

Not sure what that has got to do with black lives matter mate

Black Lives Matter, or is it Black Lives mAttEr, I dunno, is a Marxist organisation which aims to defund the police, deconstruct the family and destroy any self-respect white people have by instilling an intrinsic guilt about racism, which can never be erased. If you deny your racism you are a racist, if you admit you are racist, get down on your knees

Fuck it. It is loathsome. White people conquered the world, and invented modernity. I will never be ashamed of this, as a white person, because I didn't do it; in the end I will take pride in it, as a race, if necessary

Because that is the end of this hideous divisiveness: White Pride. Maybe that is what they want

Well, I was with you until the end of the first paragraph.

I think some of the fanatics behind this want racial strife in the same way the old lot wanted class strife, because they thought it'd bring about The Revolution.

That (white pride) is the elephant trap that they want you to fall in to, thus proving them right all along.

What is quite interesting is that it hasn't happened. There is no outburst of white pride. People agree with black lives matter because for the most part, they want to move on from racism. However, they have no real understanding of the post marxist agenda of the actual organisation, which is exploiting peoples sympathy towards getting rid of racism. Thats the problem. How to break the link.

It is of course a common tactic of extremist organisations to attach themselves to, and try to parasite on, popular movements ("entryism"). The Socialist Workers Party did so in the Miner's Strike for instance, and Class War did with the poll tax riots. You got neo-Nazi groups trying to infilrate UKIP and the Conservative Party too.

That is their only tactic without significant popular support in this country, as we have an excellent voting system that ruthlessly punishes cranks and nutters, so they will never hold the balance of power in coalition governments, which is their other route to influence.

Yep. The problem is a bit deeper than that though. The 'Black Lives Matter' organisation are a small part of the problem. The bigger problem is the ideas connected to identity politics, which emphasise racial differences, and link these to outcomes and experiences. They have infiltrated all political parties, and have become deeply entrenched in our legal system. They have largely conquered universities. They are largely running unopposed through schools and businesses. This way of thinking inherently makes racial equality impossible. It purports to promote equality, but then turns everything in to a conflict about race, to which there seems to be no real answer or point other than to promote an endless power struggle between different racial groups.

It needs to be hammered intellectually (easy if opposition is not shouted down) especially in academia. Aggressive woke academics need their pathetic charlatan drivel exposed, dismantled and ridiculed.

This won't happen any time soon due to the fact that the woke have taken over most social science departments at universities, and because they have found ways to protect these theories from intellectual criticism.

Its hard to see what the answer is but unless some radical action is taken universties will become pointless because they are just being used as a way of legitimising propoganda and ideological drivel. I've already given up on going in to the academy because it will be starting from a bad place and carrying out a rear guard action from there.

If anyone is interested in this, the book Cynical Theories by James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose is a must read and explains the situation brilliantly (albeit incredibly depressing )

Ultimately I am less pessimistic. I believe it will collapse from the inside, due to its ridiculous contradictions. ie how do you simultaneously obsess about race and skin colour, yet deny that race is a biological fact, just a social construct? If you can self identify as black then you are black, etc etc, soon everyone will self identify as black the same way kids are now genderqueer. The idiocy will implode, and once these ideologies unravel it happens quickly

My fear is the damage these sinister theories will do on the way to their doom. I can easily see white America electing a more effective demagogue than Trump. I can see White Pride becoming a very real thing, pretty damn soon, across the West. The stirrings are audible

CarlottaVance

NEW: President Biden described the US-UK alliance was the “strongest military and political alliance in the history of the world”, in a speech at RAF Mildenhall in Suffolk

Adds though it needed to be “modernised” to protect against past threats and new challenges

https://twitter.com/DarrenGBNews/status/1402720550347227139?s=20

SeaShantyIrish2

FPT - RAF, USAAF and French Resistance all played a key role in messing up German troop movements before and especially after D-Day. As in the case of the Das Reich panzer division (source Wiki)

"The allied invasion of Normandy took place on 6 June 1944. On 7 June Das Reich was ordered to move to Normandy to reinforce the German units contesting the allied invasion. It would be a journey of approximately 700 kilometres (430 mi) and an unopposed movement of men and equipment by railroad would have taken three or four days. However, the option to move by rail had been preempted by the French Resistance. The rail cars to be used for transporting the tanks and equipment were unguarded.

In the days before 6 June French operatives of the Special Operations Executive's Pimento network, headed by Anthony Brooks, sabotaged the rail cars by draining the axle oil and replacing it with an abrasive powder that caused the axles of the cars to seize up. The powder had been parachuted in by SOE. The perpetrators of the sabotage were a 16 year old girl named Tetty, her boyfriend, her 14-year old sister, and several of their friends.

As a consequence of the sabotage of the rail cars, Das Reich left Montauban on 8 June with 1,400 vehicles and proceeded northward by road. Travel by road caused the steel tracks of the tanks and assault guns to wear out; vehicles broke down frequently; and fuel was in short supply. Pinprick attacks by groups of resistors, called Maquis, killed 15 Germans on the first two days of the movement. More than 100 French were killed, many of them unarmed civilians. Das Reich had been given the additional task of suppressing the Maquis during its journey, ordered "to break the spirit of the population by making examples." This the Division attempted to do with massacres of hundreds of civilians on 9 and 10 June in Tulle and Oradour-sur-Glane. Attacks by resistance forces mostly ended on 12 June as Das Reich moved into less favorable territory for ambushes.

Air attacks hindered the progress of Das Reich in the last phases of its northward journey. On 11 June British bombers attacked and destroyed several railcars full of much-needed gasoline at Châtellerault. The air strike was directed by the Special Air Service (SAS) group called Operation Bulbasket. After the advance elements of Das Reich crossed the Loire River on 13 June, the division was under constant air attacks during the day. As a result, Das Reich arrived only piecemeal to the Normandy battlefield between 15 and 30 June, its arrival delayed at least several days by the resistance attacks and air strikes. Rather than going on the offensive to try to push the Allies back into the sea, Das Reich initially found itself mostly plugging gaps in the German defenses. The division was not reunited until 10 July."

MarqueeMark

TheScreamingEagles said:

IshmaelZ said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Interesting.

Deadpan.

I just wanted to bagsy a first.

We should heavily tax people who get firsts.

We could call it the primo levy.....

MaxPB

stodge said:

ydoethur said:

Refusing a vaccine is not ‘risk averse.’ Quite the contrary.

But stand your position on its head. Why should the rest of us suffer because some people refuse to take a vaccine for a highly infectious lethal disease?

You and I don't know why people have refused vaccinations. It's easy to make assumptions but I suspect there are myriad reasons and there will be those who want to be vaccinated but for all manner of reasons can't or won't yet recognise the health risk to themselves.

It's easy to call those who aren't vaccinated "stupid" (and some may well be) but it's a generalisation which I think is unhelpful and doesn't fit the facts.

The fact so many are vaccinated and the fact we see how effective the vaccines are makes your notion absurd and indeed I'm NOT arguing for an extension of restrictions in any way, shape or form and I'm not sure how you have inferred that from my previous.

We can and should end restrictions but @MaxPB 's initial suggestion was to regulate access to society based on vaccination status and it is with that I am uncomfortable.

Point of order, I suggested no society based on vaccine status just guidelines and recommendations for people who are awaiting their first/second doses. They are, of course, free to ignore those guidelines.

TheScreamingEagles

CarlottaVance said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

On topic, given today's ruling about some of the contracts the PM handed out you can understand why the PM wants to reduce judicial reviews.

He hates scrutiny.

You could tell he wasn't exactly thrilled by Mrs May's question about making Public Enquiry evidence subject to perjury prosecutions either....

Didn't watch PMQs but I saw that on a Liverpool fan site earlier on this evening.

You get the feeling that the PM is very disorganised and might end up accidentally perjuring himself in a public inquiries because he's not a girly swot who will do some pre evidence preparation.

Leon

Gallowgate said:

darkage said:

FPT

NorthofStoke said:

darkage said:

Fishing said:

darkage said:

Casino_Royale said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Fuck taking the fucking knee


https://www.cmps.edu/on-having-whiteness

"On Having Whiteness


"Donald Moss will discuss whiteness as a condition one first acquires and then one has--a malignant, parasitic-like condition to which “white” people have a particular susceptibility. He describes the condition as being foundational, generating characteristic ways of being in one’s body, in one’s mind, and in one’s world: Parasitic whiteness renders its hosts’ appetites voracious, insatiable, and perverse; these deformed appetites particularly target non-white people; and, once established, these appetites are nearly impossible to eliminate"

Not sure what that has got to do with black lives matter mate

Black Lives Matter, or is it Black Lives mAttEr, I dunno, is a Marxist organisation which aims to defund the police, deconstruct the family and destroy any self-respect white people have by instilling an intrinsic guilt about racism, which can never be erased. If you deny your racism you are a racist, if you admit you are racist, get down on your knees

Fuck it. It is loathsome. White people conquered the world, and invented modernity. I will never be ashamed of this, as a white person, because I didn't do it; in the end I will take pride in it, as a race, if necessary

Because that is the end of this hideous divisiveness: White Pride. Maybe that is what they want

Well, I was with you until the end of the first paragraph.

I think some of the fanatics behind this want racial strife in the same way the old lot wanted class strife, because they thought it'd bring about The Revolution.

That (white pride) is the elephant trap that they want you to fall in to, thus proving them right all along.

What is quite interesting is that it hasn't happened. There is no outburst of white pride. People agree with black lives matter because for the most part, they want to move on from racism. However, they have no real understanding of the post marxist agenda of the actual organisation, which is exploiting peoples sympathy towards getting rid of racism. Thats the problem. How to break the link.

It is of course a common tactic of extremist organisations to attach themselves to, and try to parasite on, popular movements ("entryism"). The Socialist Workers Party did so in the Miner's Strike for instance, and Class War did with the poll tax riots. You got neo-Nazi groups trying to infilrate UKIP and the Conservative Party too.

That is their only tactic without significant popular support in this country, as we have an excellent voting system that ruthlessly punishes cranks and nutters, so they will never hold the balance of power in coalition governments, which is their other route to influence.

Yep. The problem is a bit deeper than that though. The 'Black Lives Matter' organisation are a small part of the problem. The bigger problem is the ideas connected to identity politics, which emphasise racial differences, and link these to outcomes and experiences. They have infiltrated all political parties, and have become deeply entrenched in our legal system. They have largely conquered universities. They are largely running unopposed through schools and businesses. This way of thinking inherently makes racial equality impossible. It purports to promote equality, but then turns everything in to a conflict about race, to which there seems to be no real answer or point other than to promote an endless power struggle between different racial groups.

It needs to be hammered intellectually (easy if opposition is not shouted down) especially in academia. Aggressive woke academics need their pathetic charlatan drivel exposed, dismantled and ridiculed.

This won't happen any time soon due to the fact that the woke have taken over most social science departments at universities, and because they have found ways to protect these theories from intellectual criticism.

Its hard to see what the answer is but unless some radical action is taken universties will become pointless because they are just being used as a way of legitimising propoganda and ideological drivel. I've already given up on going in to the academy because it will be starting from a bad place and carrying out a rear guard action from there.

If anyone is interested in this, the book Cynical Theories by James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose is a must read and explains the situation brilliantly (albeit incredibly depressing )

99% of people who go to universities are not remotely interested in any of this stuff

99% of people who WORK at universities ARE, or they are forced to be. That is the problem

Leon

India recorded 6,138 deaths today. A melancholy global record, I think

darkage

Good thread header. What I would say is that pork barrel politics, which is what the tories are accused of, it is not a sensible road to go down. This is because the opposition could catch up and find ways to use it to its advantage, so the idea that the government works in the national interest would disappear. It seems like a very short sighted thing to do.

CarlottaVance

Murphy making a fool of himself again:

state_go_away

Leon said:

India recorded 6,138 deaths today. A melancholy global record, I think

Sounds a lot but wuldnt the UK equivalent be around 300 ? India has about 30000 deaths a day anyway

Gallowgate

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

darkage said:

FPT

NorthofStoke said:

darkage said:

Fishing said:

darkage said:

Casino_Royale said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Fuck taking the fucking knee


https://www.cmps.edu/on-having-whiteness

"On Having Whiteness


"Donald Moss will discuss whiteness as a condition one first acquires and then one has--a malignant, parasitic-like condition to which “white” people have a particular susceptibility. He describes the condition as being foundational, generating characteristic ways of being in one’s body, in one’s mind, and in one’s world: Parasitic whiteness renders its hosts’ appetites voracious, insatiable, and perverse; these deformed appetites particularly target non-white people; and, once established, these appetites are nearly impossible to eliminate"

Not sure what that has got to do with black lives matter mate

Black Lives Matter, or is it Black Lives mAttEr, I dunno, is a Marxist organisation which aims to defund the police, deconstruct the family and destroy any self-respect white people have by instilling an intrinsic guilt about racism, which can never be erased. If you deny your racism you are a racist, if you admit you are racist, get down on your knees

Fuck it. It is loathsome. White people conquered the world, and invented modernity. I will never be ashamed of this, as a white person, because I didn't do it; in the end I will take pride in it, as a race, if necessary

Because that is the end of this hideous divisiveness: White Pride. Maybe that is what they want

Well, I was with you until the end of the first paragraph.

I think some of the fanatics behind this want racial strife in the same way the old lot wanted class strife, because they thought it'd bring about The Revolution.

That (white pride) is the elephant trap that they want you to fall in to, thus proving them right all along.

What is quite interesting is that it hasn't happened. There is no outburst of white pride. People agree with black lives matter because for the most part, they want to move on from racism. However, they have no real understanding of the post marxist agenda of the actual organisation, which is exploiting peoples sympathy towards getting rid of racism. Thats the problem. How to break the link.

It is of course a common tactic of extremist organisations to attach themselves to, and try to parasite on, popular movements ("entryism"). The Socialist Workers Party did so in the Miner's Strike for instance, and Class War did with the poll tax riots. You got neo-Nazi groups trying to infilrate UKIP and the Conservative Party too.

That is their only tactic without significant popular support in this country, as we have an excellent voting system that ruthlessly punishes cranks and nutters, so they will never hold the balance of power in coalition governments, which is their other route to influence.

Yep. The problem is a bit deeper than that though. The 'Black Lives Matter' organisation are a small part of the problem. The bigger problem is the ideas connected to identity politics, which emphasise racial differences, and link these to outcomes and experiences. They have infiltrated all political parties, and have become deeply entrenched in our legal system. They have largely conquered universities. They are largely running unopposed through schools and businesses. This way of thinking inherently makes racial equality impossible. It purports to promote equality, but then turns everything in to a conflict about race, to which there seems to be no real answer or point other than to promote an endless power struggle between different racial groups.

It needs to be hammered intellectually (easy if opposition is not shouted down) especially in academia. Aggressive woke academics need their pathetic charlatan drivel exposed, dismantled and ridiculed.

This won't happen any time soon due to the fact that the woke have taken over most social science departments at universities, and because they have found ways to protect these theories from intellectual criticism.

Its hard to see what the answer is but unless some radical action is taken universties will become pointless because they are just being used as a way of legitimising propoganda and ideological drivel. I've already given up on going in to the academy because it will be starting from a bad place and carrying out a rear guard action from there.

If anyone is interested in this, the book Cynical Theories by James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose is a must read and explains the situation brilliantly (albeit incredibly depressing )

99% of people who go to universities are not remotely interested in any of this stuff

99% of people who WORK at universities ARE, or they are forced to be. That is the problem

While it isn't ideal, it's not exactly a massive deal in the grand scheme of things. I've been to university twice. Not once did any lecturer try to influence me politically. They're far too busy doing "research" to bother trying to influence undergraduates.

Leon

state_go_away said:

Leon said:

India recorded 6,138 deaths today. A melancholy global record, I think

Sounds a lot but wuldnt the UK equivalent be around 300 ? India has about 30000 deaths a day anyway

For sure, I was just noting a statistical freak. This is PB!

The other day someone smart told me that Indian covid deaths are underestimated by seventeen times. 6,000 times 17 = 100,000, roughly

That is quite something. 100,000 dead in a day?

But I have no idea if the "17" thing is true

Big_G_NorthWales

CarlottaVance said:

NEW: President Biden described the US-UK alliance was the “strongest military and political alliance in the history of the world”, in a speech at RAF Mildenhall in Suffolk

Adds though it needed to be “modernised” to protect against past threats and new challenges

https://twitter.com/DarrenGBNews/status/1402720550347227139?s=20

Notice that is a tweet from Darren at GBNews

8pm Sunday they start broadcasting on Sky 515

I shall watch with great interest, especially if independent sage members decide to be interviewed

Pulpstar

state_go_away said:

Leon said:

India recorded 6,138 deaths today. A melancholy global record, I think

Sounds a lot but wuldnt the UK equivalent be around 300 ? India has about 30000 deaths a day anyway

These are the deaths they're admitting too though. The true figure is going to be much higher in India.

Leon

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

darkage said:

FPT

NorthofStoke said:

darkage said:

Fishing said:

darkage said:

Casino_Royale said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Fuck taking the fucking knee


https://www.cmps.edu/on-having-whiteness

"On Having Whiteness


"Donald Moss will discuss whiteness as a condition one first acquires and then one has--a malignant, parasitic-like condition to which “white” people have a particular susceptibility. He describes the condition as being foundational, generating characteristic ways of being in one’s body, in one’s mind, and in one’s world: Parasitic whiteness renders its hosts’ appetites voracious, insatiable, and perverse; these deformed appetites particularly target non-white people; and, once established, these appetites are nearly impossible to eliminate"

Not sure what that has got to do with black lives matter mate

Black Lives Matter, or is it Black Lives mAttEr, I dunno, is a Marxist organisation which aims to defund the police, deconstruct the family and destroy any self-respect white people have by instilling an intrinsic guilt about racism, which can never be erased. If you deny your racism you are a racist, if you admit you are racist, get down on your knees

Fuck it. It is loathsome. White people conquered the world, and invented modernity. I will never be ashamed of this, as a white person, because I didn't do it; in the end I will take pride in it, as a race, if necessary

Because that is the end of this hideous divisiveness: White Pride. Maybe that is what they want

Well, I was with you until the end of the first paragraph.

I think some of the fanatics behind this want racial strife in the same way the old lot wanted class strife, because they thought it'd bring about The Revolution.

That (white pride) is the elephant trap that they want you to fall in to, thus proving them right all along.

What is quite interesting is that it hasn't happened. There is no outburst of white pride. People agree with black lives matter because for the most part, they want to move on from racism. However, they have no real understanding of the post marxist agenda of the actual organisation, which is exploiting peoples sympathy towards getting rid of racism. Thats the problem. How to break the link.

It is of course a common tactic of extremist organisations to attach themselves to, and try to parasite on, popular movements ("entryism"). The Socialist Workers Party did so in the Miner's Strike for instance, and Class War did with the poll tax riots. You got neo-Nazi groups trying to infilrate UKIP and the Conservative Party too.

That is their only tactic without significant popular support in this country, as we have an excellent voting system that ruthlessly punishes cranks and nutters, so they will never hold the balance of power in coalition governments, which is their other route to influence.

Yep. The problem is a bit deeper than that though. The 'Black Lives Matter' organisation are a small part of the problem. The bigger problem is the ideas connected to identity politics, which emphasise racial differences, and link these to outcomes and experiences. They have infiltrated all political parties, and have become deeply entrenched in our legal system. They have largely conquered universities. They are largely running unopposed through schools and businesses. This way of thinking inherently makes racial equality impossible. It purports to promote equality, but then turns everything in to a conflict about race, to which there seems to be no real answer or point other than to promote an endless power struggle between different racial groups.

It needs to be hammered intellectually (easy if opposition is not shouted down) especially in academia. Aggressive woke academics need their pathetic charlatan drivel exposed, dismantled and ridiculed.

This won't happen any time soon due to the fact that the woke have taken over most social science departments at universities, and because they have found ways to protect these theories from intellectual criticism.

Its hard to see what the answer is but unless some radical action is taken universties will become pointless because they are just being used as a way of legitimising propoganda and ideological drivel. I've already given up on going in to the academy because it will be starting from a bad place and carrying out a rear guard action from there.

If anyone is interested in this, the book Cynical Theories by James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose is a must read and explains the situation brilliantly (albeit incredibly depressing )

99% of people who go to universities are not remotely interested in any of this stuff

99% of people who WORK at universities ARE, or they are forced to be. That is the problem

While it isn't ideal, it's not exactly a massive deal in the grand scheme of things. I've been to university twice. Not once did any lecturer try to influence me politically. They're far too busy doing "research" to bother trying to influence undergraduates.

You are completely clueless on this subject. You have no idea how it is invading discourse all over the place. It is completely victorious in academia, and now it marches on business, the arts, the law, everywhere

darkage

Leon said:

darkage said:

FPT

NorthofStoke said:

darkage said:

Fishing said:

darkage said:

Casino_Royale said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Fuck taking the fucking knee


https://www.cmps.edu/on-having-whiteness

"On Having Whiteness


"Donald Moss will discuss whiteness as a condition one first acquires and then one has--a malignant, parasitic-like condition to which “white” people have a particular susceptibility. He describes the condition as being foundational, generating characteristic ways of being in one’s body, in one’s mind, and in one’s world: Parasitic whiteness renders its hosts’ appetites voracious, insatiable, and perverse; these deformed appetites particularly target non-white people; and, once established, these appetites are nearly impossible to eliminate"

Not sure what that has got to do with black lives matter mate

Black Lives Matter, or is it Black Lives mAttEr, I dunno, is a Marxist organisation which aims to defund the police, deconstruct the family and destroy any self-respect white people have by instilling an intrinsic guilt about racism, which can never be erased. If you deny your racism you are a racist, if you admit you are racist, get down on your knees

Fuck it. It is loathsome. White people conquered the world, and invented modernity. I will never be ashamed of this, as a white person, because I didn't do it; in the end I will take pride in it, as a race, if necessary

Because that is the end of this hideous divisiveness: White Pride. Maybe that is what they want

Well, I was with you until the end of the first paragraph.

I think some of the fanatics behind this want racial strife in the same way the old lot wanted class strife, because they thought it'd bring about The Revolution.

That (white pride) is the elephant trap that they want you to fall in to, thus proving them right all along.

What is quite interesting is that it hasn't happened. There is no outburst of white pride. People agree with black lives matter because for the most part, they want to move on from racism. However, they have no real understanding of the post marxist agenda of the actual organisation, which is exploiting peoples sympathy towards getting rid of racism. Thats the problem. How to break the link.

It is of course a common tactic of extremist organisations to attach themselves to, and try to parasite on, popular movements ("entryism"). The Socialist Workers Party did so in the Miner's Strike for instance, and Class War did with the poll tax riots. You got neo-Nazi groups trying to infilrate UKIP and the Conservative Party too.

That is their only tactic without significant popular support in this country, as we have an excellent voting system that ruthlessly punishes cranks and nutters, so they will never hold the balance of power in coalition governments, which is their other route to influence.

Yep. The problem is a bit deeper than that though. The 'Black Lives Matter' organisation are a small part of the problem. The bigger problem is the ideas connected to identity politics, which emphasise racial differences, and link these to outcomes and experiences. They have infiltrated all political parties, and have become deeply entrenched in our legal system. They have largely conquered universities. They are largely running unopposed through schools and businesses. This way of thinking inherently makes racial equality impossible. It purports to promote equality, but then turns everything in to a conflict about race, to which there seems to be no real answer or point other than to promote an endless power struggle between different racial groups.

It needs to be hammered intellectually (easy if opposition is not shouted down) especially in academia. Aggressive woke academics need their pathetic charlatan drivel exposed, dismantled and ridiculed.

This won't happen any time soon due to the fact that the woke have taken over most social science departments at universities, and because they have found ways to protect these theories from intellectual criticism.

Its hard to see what the answer is but unless some radical action is taken universties will become pointless because they are just being used as a way of legitimising propoganda and ideological drivel. I've already given up on going in to the academy because it will be starting from a bad place and carrying out a rear guard action from there.

If anyone is interested in this, the book Cynical Theories by James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose is a must read and explains the situation brilliantly (albeit incredibly depressing )

Ultimately I am less pessimistic. I believe it will collapse from the inside, due to its ridiculous contradictions. ie how do you simultaneously obsess about race and skin colour, yet deny that race is a biological fact, just a social construct? If you can self identify as black then you are black, etc etc, soon everyone will self identify as black the same way kids are now genderqueer. The idiocy will implode, and once these ideologies unravel it happens quickly

My fear is the damage these sinister theories will do on the way to their doom. I can easily see white America electing a more effective demagogue than Trump. I can see White Pride becoming a very real thing, pretty damn soon, across the West. The stirrings are audible

I too hope it will implode, but I think you are underestimating the tribal element and sense of belonging attached to it; the sea of hopelessness that it recruits from, and the use of technology in its propogation (and the control it exerts over technology in general). It isn't obviously imploding and its outrageous contradictions should be obvious, it should just be laughed out of existence as it would have been 20 years ago. But lots of otherwise smart people on here pronounce themselves as woke and believe it to be the reinvention of western civilisation. How do you explain that?

Stuartinromford

darkage said:

Good thread header. What I would say is that pork barrel politics, which is what the tories are accused of, it is not a sensible road to go down. This is because the opposition could catch up and find ways to use it to its advantage, so the idea that the government works in the national interest would disappear. It seems like a very short sighted thing to do.

But the PM does have a history of doing things that pay off brilliantly in the short term by piling up problems for the future. That's OK (for Boris) when the problems end up with Future Boris but even better when the future problems will land in someone else's lap. And even if the opposition get their act together, someone else will be the next Conservative Leader of the Opposition, so who cares?

But yes, Johnson has opened up many Pandora's boxes during his time in politics. (Insert your own joke here.) But, unfortunately, I think Ms Cyclefree has once again hit the nail on the head. Voters won't care about this until they do- but the until could well be a long time in the future.

isam

Matthew Syed write a great article about the cricket witchsmellers

“ “I once laughed at a joke in Fawlty Towers, a programme which, I am now given to understand, is considered xenophobic. Am I still eligible to play for the England over-50s at ping pong?””

https://twitter.com/timessport/status/1402622955092328448?s=21

BigRich

CarlottaVance said:

Murphy making a fool of himself again:

what are they arguing about? or do i need to read the article?

FrancisUrquhart

Sky News have this narrative today that if we only delay opening for another 2 weeks, we can get 1.5-2 million more first doses and 5m more second doses.

All while 5m doses sit in a warehouse doing nothing.

Gallowgate

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

darkage said:

FPT

NorthofStoke said:

darkage said:

Fishing said:

darkage said:

Casino_Royale said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Fuck taking the fucking knee


https://www.cmps.edu/on-having-whiteness

"On Having Whiteness


"Donald Moss will discuss whiteness as a condition one first acquires and then one has--a malignant, parasitic-like condition to which “white” people have a particular susceptibility. He describes the condition as being foundational, generating characteristic ways of being in one’s body, in one’s mind, and in one’s world: Parasitic whiteness renders its hosts’ appetites voracious, insatiable, and perverse; these deformed appetites particularly target non-white people; and, once established, these appetites are nearly impossible to eliminate"

Not sure what that has got to do with black lives matter mate

Black Lives Matter, or is it Black Lives mAttEr, I dunno, is a Marxist organisation which aims to defund the police, deconstruct the family and destroy any self-respect white people have by instilling an intrinsic guilt about racism, which can never be erased. If you deny your racism you are a racist, if you admit you are racist, get down on your knees

Fuck it. It is loathsome. White people conquered the world, and invented modernity. I will never be ashamed of this, as a white person, because I didn't do it; in the end I will take pride in it, as a race, if necessary

Because that is the end of this hideous divisiveness: White Pride. Maybe that is what they want

Well, I was with you until the end of the first paragraph.

I think some of the fanatics behind this want racial strife in the same way the old lot wanted class strife, because they thought it'd bring about The Revolution.

That (white pride) is the elephant trap that they want you to fall in to, thus proving them right all along.

What is quite interesting is that it hasn't happened. There is no outburst of white pride. People agree with black lives matter because for the most part, they want to move on from racism. However, they have no real understanding of the post marxist agenda of the actual organisation, which is exploiting peoples sympathy towards getting rid of racism. Thats the problem. How to break the link.

It is of course a common tactic of extremist organisations to attach themselves to, and try to parasite on, popular movements ("entryism"). The Socialist Workers Party did so in the Miner's Strike for instance, and Class War did with the poll tax riots. You got neo-Nazi groups trying to infilrate UKIP and the Conservative Party too.

That is their only tactic without significant popular support in this country, as we have an excellent voting system that ruthlessly punishes cranks and nutters, so they will never hold the balance of power in coalition governments, which is their other route to influence.

Yep. The problem is a bit deeper than that though. The 'Black Lives Matter' organisation are a small part of the problem. The bigger problem is the ideas connected to identity politics, which emphasise racial differences, and link these to outcomes and experiences. They have infiltrated all political parties, and have become deeply entrenched in our legal system. They have largely conquered universities. They are largely running unopposed through schools and businesses. This way of thinking inherently makes racial equality impossible. It purports to promote equality, but then turns everything in to a conflict about race, to which there seems to be no real answer or point other than to promote an endless power struggle between different racial groups.

It needs to be hammered intellectually (easy if opposition is not shouted down) especially in academia. Aggressive woke academics need their pathetic charlatan drivel exposed, dismantled and ridiculed.

This won't happen any time soon due to the fact that the woke have taken over most social science departments at universities, and because they have found ways to protect these theories from intellectual criticism.

Its hard to see what the answer is but unless some radical action is taken universties will become pointless because they are just being used as a way of legitimising propoganda and ideological drivel. I've already given up on going in to the academy because it will be starting from a bad place and carrying out a rear guard action from there.

If anyone is interested in this, the book Cynical Theories by James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose is a must read and explains the situation brilliantly (albeit incredibly depressing )

99% of people who go to universities are not remotely interested in any of this stuff

99% of people who WORK at universities ARE, or they are forced to be. That is the problem

While it isn't ideal, it's not exactly a massive deal in the grand scheme of things. I've been to university twice. Not once did any lecturer try to influence me politically. They're far too busy doing "research" to bother trying to influence undergraduates.

You are completely clueless on this subject. You have no idea how it is invading discourse all over the place. It is completely victorious in academia, and now it marches on business, the arts, the law, everywhere

When were you last at a university?

You’re entirely hysterical on the matter.

Get some damn perspective.

TheScreamingEagles

Leon's going to cream his knickers when he sees tomorrow's New Statesman.

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1402719988285329417

Leon

darkage said:

Leon said:

darkage said:

FPT

NorthofStoke said:

darkage said:

Fishing said:

darkage said:

Casino_Royale said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Fuck taking the fucking knee


https://www.cmps.edu/on-having-whiteness

"On Having Whiteness


"Donald Moss will discuss whiteness as a condition one first acquires and then one has--a malignant, parasitic-like condition to which “white” people have a particular susceptibility. He describes the condition as being foundational, generating characteristic ways of being in one’s body, in one’s mind, and in one’s world: Parasitic whiteness renders its hosts’ appetites voracious, insatiable, and perverse; these deformed appetites particularly target non-white people; and, once established, these appetites are nearly impossible to eliminate"

Not sure what that has got to do with black lives matter mate

Black Lives Matter, or is it Black Lives mAttEr, I dunno, is a Marxist organisation which aims to defund the police, deconstruct the family and destroy any self-respect white people have by instilling an intrinsic guilt about racism, which can never be erased. If you deny your racism you are a racist, if you admit you are racist, get down on your knees

Fuck it. It is loathsome. White people conquered the world, and invented modernity. I will never be ashamed of this, as a white person, because I didn't do it; in the end I will take pride in it, as a race, if necessary

Because that is the end of this hideous divisiveness: White Pride. Maybe that is what they want

Well, I was with you until the end of the first paragraph.

I think some of the fanatics behind this want racial strife in the same way the old lot wanted class strife, because they thought it'd bring about The Revolution.

That (white pride) is the elephant trap that they want you to fall in to, thus proving them right all along.

What is quite interesting is that it hasn't happened. There is no outburst of white pride. People agree with black lives matter because for the most part, they want to move on from racism. However, they have no real understanding of the post marxist agenda of the actual organisation, which is exploiting peoples sympathy towards getting rid of racism. Thats the problem. How to break the link.

It is of course a common tactic of extremist organisations to attach themselves to, and try to parasite on, popular movements ("entryism"). The Socialist Workers Party did so in the Miner's Strike for instance, and Class War did with the poll tax riots. You got neo-Nazi groups trying to infilrate UKIP and the Conservative Party too.

That is their only tactic without significant popular support in this country, as we have an excellent voting system that ruthlessly punishes cranks and nutters, so they will never hold the balance of power in coalition governments, which is their other route to influence.

Yep. The problem is a bit deeper than that though. The 'Black Lives Matter' organisation are a small part of the problem. The bigger problem is the ideas connected to identity politics, which emphasise racial differences, and link these to outcomes and experiences. They have infiltrated all political parties, and have become deeply entrenched in our legal system. They have largely conquered universities. They are largely running unopposed through schools and businesses. This way of thinking inherently makes racial equality impossible. It purports to promote equality, but then turns everything in to a conflict about race, to which there seems to be no real answer or point other than to promote an endless power struggle between different racial groups.

It needs to be hammered intellectually (easy if opposition is not shouted down) especially in academia. Aggressive woke academics need their pathetic charlatan drivel exposed, dismantled and ridiculed.

This won't happen any time soon due to the fact that the woke have taken over most social science departments at universities, and because they have found ways to protect these theories from intellectual criticism.

Its hard to see what the answer is but unless some radical action is taken universties will become pointless because they are just being used as a way of legitimising propoganda and ideological drivel. I've already given up on going in to the academy because it will be starting from a bad place and carrying out a rear guard action from there.

If anyone is interested in this, the book Cynical Theories by James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose is a must read and explains the situation brilliantly (albeit incredibly depressing )

Ultimately I am less pessimistic. I believe it will collapse from the inside, due to its ridiculous contradictions. ie how do you simultaneously obsess about race and skin colour, yet deny that race is a biological fact, just a social construct? If you can self identify as black then you are black, etc etc, soon everyone will self identify as black the same way kids are now genderqueer. The idiocy will implode, and once these ideologies unravel it happens quickly

My fear is the damage these sinister theories will do on the way to their doom. I can easily see white America electing a more effective demagogue than Trump. I can see White Pride becoming a very real thing, pretty damn soon, across the West. The stirrings are audible

I too hope it will implode, but I think you are underestimating the tribal element and sense of belonging attached to it; the sea of hopelessness that it recruits from, and the use of technology in its propogation (and the control it exerts over technology in general). It isn't obviously imploding and its outrageous contradictions should be obvious, it should just be laughed out of existence as it would have been 20 years ago. But lots of otherwise smart people on here pronounce themselves as woke and believe it to be the reinvention of western civilisation. How do you explain that?

Decadence and ease

But that is ending. And how

Wokeness will eat its own children, like all Revolutions. We just have to hunker down, and undermine it quietly

Stark_Dawning

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

darkage said:

FPT

NorthofStoke said:

darkage said:

Fishing said:

darkage said:

Casino_Royale said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Fuck taking the fucking knee


https://www.cmps.edu/on-having-whiteness

"On Having Whiteness


"Donald Moss will discuss whiteness as a condition one first acquires and then one has--a malignant, parasitic-like condition to which “white” people have a particular susceptibility. He describes the condition as being foundational, generating characteristic ways of being in one’s body, in one’s mind, and in one’s world: Parasitic whiteness renders its hosts’ appetites voracious, insatiable, and perverse; these deformed appetites particularly target non-white people; and, once established, these appetites are nearly impossible to eliminate"

Not sure what that has got to do with black lives matter mate

Black Lives Matter, or is it Black Lives mAttEr, I dunno, is a Marxist organisation which aims to defund the police, deconstruct the family and destroy any self-respect white people have by instilling an intrinsic guilt about racism, which can never be erased. If you deny your racism you are a racist, if you admit you are racist, get down on your knees

Fuck it. It is loathsome. White people conquered the world, and invented modernity. I will never be ashamed of this, as a white person, because I didn't do it; in the end I will take pride in it, as a race, if necessary

Because that is the end of this hideous divisiveness: White Pride. Maybe that is what they want

Well, I was with you until the end of the first paragraph.

I think some of the fanatics behind this want racial strife in the same way the old lot wanted class strife, because they thought it'd bring about The Revolution.

That (white pride) is the elephant trap that they want you to fall in to, thus proving them right all along.

What is quite interesting is that it hasn't happened. There is no outburst of white pride. People agree with black lives matter because for the most part, they want to move on from racism. However, they have no real understanding of the post marxist agenda of the actual organisation, which is exploiting peoples sympathy towards getting rid of racism. Thats the problem. How to break the link.

It is of course a common tactic of extremist organisations to attach themselves to, and try to parasite on, popular movements ("entryism"). The Socialist Workers Party did so in the Miner's Strike for instance, and Class War did with the poll tax riots. You got neo-Nazi groups trying to infilrate UKIP and the Conservative Party too.

That is their only tactic without significant popular support in this country, as we have an excellent voting system that ruthlessly punishes cranks and nutters, so they will never hold the balance of power in coalition governments, which is their other route to influence.

Yep. The problem is a bit deeper than that though. The 'Black Lives Matter' organisation are a small part of the problem. The bigger problem is the ideas connected to identity politics, which emphasise racial differences, and link these to outcomes and experiences. They have infiltrated all political parties, and have become deeply entrenched in our legal system. They have largely conquered universities. They are largely running unopposed through schools and businesses. This way of thinking inherently makes racial equality impossible. It purports to promote equality, but then turns everything in to a conflict about race, to which there seems to be no real answer or point other than to promote an endless power struggle between different racial groups.

It needs to be hammered intellectually (easy if opposition is not shouted down) especially in academia. Aggressive woke academics need their pathetic charlatan drivel exposed, dismantled and ridiculed.

This won't happen any time soon due to the fact that the woke have taken over most social science departments at universities, and because they have found ways to protect these theories from intellectual criticism.

Its hard to see what the answer is but unless some radical action is taken universties will become pointless because they are just being used as a way of legitimising propoganda and ideological drivel. I've already given up on going in to the academy because it will be starting from a bad place and carrying out a rear guard action from there.

If anyone is interested in this, the book Cynical Theories by James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose is a must read and explains the situation brilliantly (albeit incredibly depressing )

Anti-wokery as a cottage industry is nothing new. Indeed, it was how William J. Buckley first emerged as a right-wing guru;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_and_Man_at_Yale

'"God and Man at Yale: The Superstitions of "Academic Freedom" is a 1951 book by William F. Buckley Jr., based on his undergraduate experiences at Yale University. Buckley, then aged 25, criticized Yale for forcing collectivist, Keynesian, and secularist ideology on students, criticizing several professors by name, arguing that they tried to break down students' religious beliefs through their hostility to religion and that Yale was denying its students any sense of individualism by making them embrace the ideas of liberalism.'

Yes, the same tiresome harrumphs get a run out every generation. The difference is that these days it's all a bit wet. In the 1980s the LSE students made a man convicted of murdering a police offer honorary SU President. Today the worst that's done to shock and horrify is put a portrait in storage. All a bit of a yawn.

DecrepiterJohnL

TheScreamingEagles said:

CarlottaVance said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

On topic, given today's ruling about some of the contracts the PM handed out you can understand why the PM wants to reduce judicial reviews.

He hates scrutiny.

You could tell he wasn't exactly thrilled by Mrs May's question about making Public Enquiry evidence subject to perjury prosecutions either....

Didn't watch PMQs but I saw that on a Liverpool fan site earlier on this evening.

You get the feeling that the PM is very disorganised and might end up accidentally perjuring himself in a public inquiries because he's not a girly swot who will do some pre evidence preparation.

Boris lies often enough in the Commons. Tbh I'm not even sure lying is the right word, insofar as that implies a degree of planning with intent to deceive, rather than just saying the first thing that pops into the prime ministerial bonce.

rcs1000

darkage said:

FPT

NorthofStoke said:

darkage said:

Fishing said:

darkage said:

Casino_Royale said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Fuck taking the fucking knee


https://www.cmps.edu/on-having-whiteness

"On Having Whiteness


"Donald Moss will discuss whiteness as a condition one first acquires and then one has--a malignant, parasitic-like condition to which “white” people have a particular susceptibility. He describes the condition as being foundational, generating characteristic ways of being in one’s body, in one’s mind, and in one’s world: Parasitic whiteness renders its hosts’ appetites voracious, insatiable, and perverse; these deformed appetites particularly target non-white people; and, once established, these appetites are nearly impossible to eliminate"

Not sure what that has got to do with black lives matter mate

Black Lives Matter, or is it Black Lives mAttEr, I dunno, is a Marxist organisation which aims to defund the police, deconstruct the family and destroy any self-respect white people have by instilling an intrinsic guilt about racism, which can never be erased. If you deny your racism you are a racist, if you admit you are racist, get down on your knees

Fuck it. It is loathsome. White people conquered the world, and invented modernity. I will never be ashamed of this, as a white person, because I didn't do it; in the end I will take pride in it, as a race, if necessary

Because that is the end of this hideous divisiveness: White Pride. Maybe that is what they want

Well, I was with you until the end of the first paragraph.

I think some of the fanatics behind this want racial strife in the same way the old lot wanted class strife, because they thought it'd bring about The Revolution.

That (white pride) is the elephant trap that they want you to fall in to, thus proving them right all along.

What is quite interesting is that it hasn't happened. There is no outburst of white pride. People agree with black lives matter because for the most part, they want to move on from racism. However, they have no real understanding of the post marxist agenda of the actual organisation, which is exploiting peoples sympathy towards getting rid of racism. Thats the problem. How to break the link.

It is of course a common tactic of extremist organisations to attach themselves to, and try to parasite on, popular movements ("entryism"). The Socialist Workers Party did so in the Miner's Strike for instance, and Class War did with the poll tax riots. You got neo-Nazi groups trying to infilrate UKIP and the Conservative Party too.

That is their only tactic without significant popular support in this country, as we have an excellent voting system that ruthlessly punishes cranks and nutters, so they will never hold the balance of power in coalition governments, which is their other route to influence.

Yep. The problem is a bit deeper than that though. The 'Black Lives Matter' organisation are a small part of the problem. The bigger problem is the ideas connected to identity politics, which emphasise racial differences, and link these to outcomes and experiences. They have infiltrated all political parties, and have become deeply entrenched in our legal system. They have largely conquered universities. They are largely running unopposed through schools and businesses. This way of thinking inherently makes racial equality impossible. It purports to promote equality, but then turns everything in to a conflict about race, to which there seems to be no real answer or point other than to promote an endless power struggle between different racial groups.

It needs to be hammered intellectually (easy if opposition is not shouted down) especially in academia. Aggressive woke academics need their pathetic charlatan drivel exposed, dismantled and ridiculed.

This won't happen any time soon due to the fact that the woke have taken over most social science departments at universities, and because they have found ways to protect these theories from intellectual criticism.

Its hard to see what the answer is but unless some radical action is taken universties will become pointless because they are just being used as a way of legitimising propoganda and ideological drivel. I've already given up on going in to the academy because it will be starting from a bad place and carrying out a rear guard action from there.

If anyone is interested in this, the book Cynical Theories by James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose is a must read and explains the situation brilliantly (albeit incredibly depressing )

Read Malcolm Bradbury's The History Man.

TheScreamingEagles

Honestly, this should improve the teaching at the dump.

More than 150 Oxford dons are boycotting Oriel College and refusing to teach its students in protest at its decision to keep the Cecil Rhodes statue, The Telegraph can reveal.

It is the latest incident in the culture wars engulfing British universities and comes amid a growing fallout over a decision to remove the Queen's portrait at neighbouring Magdalen College.

On Wednesday night, the higher education watchdog chief and four former education ministers hit out at the boycott, with one accusing the academics of attempting to "blackmail" Oriel.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/06/09/exclusive-150-oxford-dons-refuse-teach-rhodes-statue-row/

Gallowgate

TheScreamingEagles said:

Honestly, this should improve the teaching at the dump.

More than 150 Oxford dons are boycotting Oriel College and refusing to teach its students in protest at its decision to keep the Cecil Rhodes statue, The Telegraph can reveal.

It is the latest incident in the culture wars engulfing British universities and comes amid a growing fallout over a decision to remove the Queen's portrait at neighbouring Magdalen College.

On Wednesday night, the higher education watchdog chief and four former education ministers hit out at the boycott, with one accusing the academics of attempting to "blackmail" Oriel.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/06/09/exclusive-150-oxford-dons-refuse-teach-rhodes-statue-row/

And even this nonsense represents a tiny tiny proportion of the UK higher education sector.

The vast majority of students and the vast majority of university teaching staff just do their jobs like normal people.

OnlyLivingBoy

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

darkage said:

FPT

NorthofStoke said:

darkage said:

Fishing said:

darkage said:

Casino_Royale said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Fuck taking the fucking knee


https://www.cmps.edu/on-having-whiteness

"On Having Whiteness


"Donald Moss will discuss whiteness as a condition one first acquires and then one has--a malignant, parasitic-like condition to which “white” people have a particular susceptibility. He describes the condition as being foundational, generating characteristic ways of being in one’s body, in one’s mind, and in one’s world: Parasitic whiteness renders its hosts’ appetites voracious, insatiable, and perverse; these deformed appetites particularly target non-white people; and, once established, these appetites are nearly impossible to eliminate"

Not sure what that has got to do with black lives matter mate

Black Lives Matter, or is it Black Lives mAttEr, I dunno, is a Marxist organisation which aims to defund the police, deconstruct the family and destroy any self-respect white people have by instilling an intrinsic guilt about racism, which can never be erased. If you deny your racism you are a racist, if you admit you are racist, get down on your knees

Fuck it. It is loathsome. White people conquered the world, and invented modernity. I will never be ashamed of this, as a white person, because I didn't do it; in the end I will take pride in it, as a race, if necessary

Because that is the end of this hideous divisiveness: White Pride. Maybe that is what they want

Well, I was with you until the end of the first paragraph.

I think some of the fanatics behind this want racial strife in the same way the old lot wanted class strife, because they thought it'd bring about The Revolution.

That (white pride) is the elephant trap that they want you to fall in to, thus proving them right all along.

What is quite interesting is that it hasn't happened. There is no outburst of white pride. People agree with black lives matter because for the most part, they want to move on from racism. However, they have no real understanding of the post marxist agenda of the actual organisation, which is exploiting peoples sympathy towards getting rid of racism. Thats the problem. How to break the link.

It is of course a common tactic of extremist organisations to attach themselves to, and try to parasite on, popular movements ("entryism"). The Socialist Workers Party did so in the Miner's Strike for instance, and Class War did with the poll tax riots. You got neo-Nazi groups trying to infilrate UKIP and the Conservative Party too.

That is their only tactic without significant popular support in this country, as we have an excellent voting system that ruthlessly punishes cranks and nutters, so they will never hold the balance of power in coalition governments, which is their other route to influence.

Yep. The problem is a bit deeper than that though. The 'Black Lives Matter' organisation are a small part of the problem. The bigger problem is the ideas connected to identity politics, which emphasise racial differences, and link these to outcomes and experiences. They have infiltrated all political parties, and have become deeply entrenched in our legal system. They have largely conquered universities. They are largely running unopposed through schools and businesses. This way of thinking inherently makes racial equality impossible. It purports to promote equality, but then turns everything in to a conflict about race, to which there seems to be no real answer or point other than to promote an endless power struggle between different racial groups.

It needs to be hammered intellectually (easy if opposition is not shouted down) especially in academia. Aggressive woke academics need their pathetic charlatan drivel exposed, dismantled and ridiculed.

This won't happen any time soon due to the fact that the woke have taken over most social science departments at universities, and because they have found ways to protect these theories from intellectual criticism.

Its hard to see what the answer is but unless some radical action is taken universties will become pointless because they are just being used as a way of legitimising propoganda and ideological drivel. I've already given up on going in to the academy because it will be starting from a bad place and carrying out a rear guard action from there.

If anyone is interested in this, the book Cynical Theories by James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose is a must read and explains the situation brilliantly (albeit incredibly depressing )

99% of people who go to universities are not remotely interested in any of this stuff

99% of people who WORK at universities ARE, or they are forced to be. That is the problem

While it isn't ideal, it's not exactly a massive deal in the grand scheme of things. I've been to university twice. Not once did any lecturer try to influence me politically. They're far too busy doing "research" to bother trying to influence undergraduates.

I get the impression that a lot of the people who think that Universities are all hotbeds of Marxist indoctrination haven't set foot in one for a long time. Or perhaps they read the History Man and didn't realise it was (a) fiction and (b) set about five decades ago. I agree with Gallowgate on this as on much else. I spent eight years at two different universities and my experience was that academics spend as little time engaging with undergraduates as they can get away with.

MarqueeMark

CarlottaVance said:

Murphy making a fool of himself again:

That is a cracking retort!

darkage

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

darkage said:

FPT

NorthofStoke said:

darkage said:

Fishing said:

darkage said:

Casino_Royale said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Fuck taking the fucking knee


https://www.cmps.edu/on-having-whiteness

"On Having Whiteness


"Donald Moss will discuss whiteness as a condition one first acquires and then one has--a malignant, parasitic-like condition to which “white” people have a particular susceptibility. He describes the condition as being foundational, generating characteristic ways of being in one’s body, in one’s mind, and in one’s world: Parasitic whiteness renders its hosts’ appetites voracious, insatiable, and perverse; these deformed appetites particularly target non-white people; and, once established, these appetites are nearly impossible to eliminate"

Not sure what that has got to do with black lives matter mate

Black Lives Matter, or is it Black Lives mAttEr, I dunno, is a Marxist organisation which aims to defund the police, deconstruct the family and destroy any self-respect white people have by instilling an intrinsic guilt about racism, which can never be erased. If you deny your racism you are a racist, if you admit you are racist, get down on your knees

Fuck it. It is loathsome. White people conquered the world, and invented modernity. I will never be ashamed of this, as a white person, because I didn't do it; in the end I will take pride in it, as a race, if necessary

Because that is the end of this hideous divisiveness: White Pride. Maybe that is what they want

Well, I was with you until the end of the first paragraph.

I think some of the fanatics behind this want racial strife in the same way the old lot wanted class strife, because they thought it'd bring about The Revolution.

That (white pride) is the elephant trap that they want you to fall in to, thus proving them right all along.

What is quite interesting is that it hasn't happened. There is no outburst of white pride. People agree with black lives matter because for the most part, they want to move on from racism. However, they have no real understanding of the post marxist agenda of the actual organisation, which is exploiting peoples sympathy towards getting rid of racism. Thats the problem. How to break the link.

It is of course a common tactic of extremist organisations to attach themselves to, and try to parasite on, popular movements ("entryism"). The Socialist Workers Party did so in the Miner's Strike for instance, and Class War did with the poll tax riots. You got neo-Nazi groups trying to infilrate UKIP and the Conservative Party too.

That is their only tactic without significant popular support in this country, as we have an excellent voting system that ruthlessly punishes cranks and nutters, so they will never hold the balance of power in coalition governments, which is their other route to influence.

Yep. The problem is a bit deeper than that though. The 'Black Lives Matter' organisation are a small part of the problem. The bigger problem is the ideas connected to identity politics, which emphasise racial differences, and link these to outcomes and experiences. They have infiltrated all political parties, and have become deeply entrenched in our legal system. They have largely conquered universities. They are largely running unopposed through schools and businesses. This way of thinking inherently makes racial equality impossible. It purports to promote equality, but then turns everything in to a conflict about race, to which there seems to be no real answer or point other than to promote an endless power struggle between different racial groups.

It needs to be hammered intellectually (easy if opposition is not shouted down) especially in academia. Aggressive woke academics need their pathetic charlatan drivel exposed, dismantled and ridiculed.

This won't happen any time soon due to the fact that the woke have taken over most social science departments at universities, and because they have found ways to protect these theories from intellectual criticism.

Its hard to see what the answer is but unless some radical action is taken universties will become pointless because they are just being used as a way of legitimising propoganda and ideological drivel. I've already given up on going in to the academy because it will be starting from a bad place and carrying out a rear guard action from there.

If anyone is interested in this, the book Cynical Theories by James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose is a must read and explains the situation brilliantly (albeit incredibly depressing )

99% of people who go to universities are not remotely interested in any of this stuff

99% of people who WORK at universities ARE, or they are forced to be. That is the problem

While it isn't ideal, it's not exactly a massive deal in the grand scheme of things. I've been to university twice. Not once did any lecturer try to influence me politically. They're far too busy doing "research" to bother trying to influence undergraduates.

I think that this is a common view and I appreciate it - when I was at university it was a case of most people just turning up and doing the work, I expect it is still the same now. The problems are to do with big questions that students are generally not interested in and don't really think about, IE what is a university for, are we there to find out the truth, or are we there to pursue social justice: increasingly the answer is the latter, which has an impact on the type of research that is undertaken, and the whole thing sort of snowballs from there.

Eric Kaufmann at Birkbeck explained this quite well on triggernometry recently

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hk0TPBP_sE

TheScreamingEagles

DecrepiterJohnL said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

CarlottaVance said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

On topic, given today's ruling about some of the contracts the PM handed out you can understand why the PM wants to reduce judicial reviews.

He hates scrutiny.

You could tell he wasn't exactly thrilled by Mrs May's question about making Public Enquiry evidence subject to perjury prosecutions either....

Didn't watch PMQs but I saw that on a Liverpool fan site earlier on this evening.

You get the feeling that the PM is very disorganised and might end up accidentally perjuring himself in a public inquiries because he's not a girly swot who will do some pre evidence preparation.

Boris lies often enough in the Commons. Tbh I'm not even sure lying is the right word, insofar as that implies a degree of planning with intent to deceive, rather than just saying the first thing that pops into the prime ministerial bonce.

Like Tony Blair, Boris Johnson means/believes it when he says it.

alex_

FrancisUrquhart said:

Sky News have this narrative today that if we only delay opening for another 2 weeks, we can get 1.5-2 million more first doses and 5m more second doses.

All while 5m doses sit in a warehouse doing nothing.

And another 2 weeks and some more. And another 2 weeks and x children. And then some more.

Perhaps we could open up to the U12s? That’s another few weeks or months.

rcs1000

Leon said:

darkage said:

Leon said:

darkage said:

FPT

NorthofStoke said:

darkage said:

Fishing said:

darkage said:

Casino_Royale said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Fuck taking the fucking knee


https://www.cmps.edu/on-having-whiteness

"On Having Whiteness


"Donald Moss will discuss whiteness as a condition one first acquires and then one has--a malignant, parasitic-like condition to which “white” people have a particular susceptibility. He describes the condition as being foundational, generating characteristic ways of being in one’s body, in one’s mind, and in one’s world: Parasitic whiteness renders its hosts’ appetites voracious, insatiable, and perverse; these deformed appetites particularly target non-white people; and, once established, these appetites are nearly impossible to eliminate"

Not sure what that has got to do with black lives matter mate

Black Lives Matter, or is it Black Lives mAttEr, I dunno, is a Marxist organisation which aims to defund the police, deconstruct the family and destroy any self-respect white people have by instilling an intrinsic guilt about racism, which can never be erased. If you deny your racism you are a racist, if you admit you are racist, get down on your knees

Fuck it. It is loathsome. White people conquered the world, and invented modernity. I will never be ashamed of this, as a white person, because I didn't do it; in the end I will take pride in it, as a race, if necessary

Because that is the end of this hideous divisiveness: White Pride. Maybe that is what they want

Well, I was with you until the end of the first paragraph.

I think some of the fanatics behind this want racial strife in the same way the old lot wanted class strife, because they thought it'd bring about The Revolution.

That (white pride) is the elephant trap that they want you to fall in to, thus proving them right all along.

What is quite interesting is that it hasn't happened. There is no outburst of white pride. People agree with black lives matter because for the most part, they want to move on from racism. However, they have no real understanding of the post marxist agenda of the actual organisation, which is exploiting peoples sympathy towards getting rid of racism. Thats the problem. How to break the link.

It is of course a common tactic of extremist organisations to attach themselves to, and try to parasite on, popular movements ("entryism"). The Socialist Workers Party did so in the Miner's Strike for instance, and Class War did with the poll tax riots. You got neo-Nazi groups trying to infilrate UKIP and the Conservative Party too.

That is their only tactic without significant popular support in this country, as we have an excellent voting system that ruthlessly punishes cranks and nutters, so they will never hold the balance of power in coalition governments, which is their other route to influence.

Yep. The problem is a bit deeper than that though. The 'Black Lives Matter' organisation are a small part of the problem. The bigger problem is the ideas connected to identity politics, which emphasise racial differences, and link these to outcomes and experiences. They have infiltrated all political parties, and have become deeply entrenched in our legal system. They have largely conquered universities. They are largely running unopposed through schools and businesses. This way of thinking inherently makes racial equality impossible. It purports to promote equality, but then turns everything in to a conflict about race, to which there seems to be no real answer or point other than to promote an endless power struggle between different racial groups.

It needs to be hammered intellectually (easy if opposition is not shouted down) especially in academia. Aggressive woke academics need their pathetic charlatan drivel exposed, dismantled and ridiculed.

This won't happen any time soon due to the fact that the woke have taken over most social science departments at universities, and because they have found ways to protect these theories from intellectual criticism.

Its hard to see what the answer is but unless some radical action is taken universties will become pointless because they are just being used as a way of legitimising propoganda and ideological drivel. I've already given up on going in to the academy because it will be starting from a bad place and carrying out a rear guard action from there.

If anyone is interested in this, the book Cynical Theories by James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose is a must read and explains the situation brilliantly (albeit incredibly depressing )

Ultimately I am less pessimistic. I believe it will collapse from the inside, due to its ridiculous contradictions. ie how do you simultaneously obsess about race and skin colour, yet deny that race is a biological fact, just a social construct? If you can self identify as black then you are black, etc etc, soon everyone will self identify as black the same way kids are now genderqueer. The idiocy will implode, and once these ideologies unravel it happens quickly

My fear is the damage these sinister theories will do on the way to their doom. I can easily see white America electing a more effective demagogue than Trump. I can see White Pride becoming a very real thing, pretty damn soon, across the West. The stirrings are audible

I too hope it will implode, but I think you are underestimating the tribal element and sense of belonging attached to it; the sea of hopelessness that it recruits from, and the use of technology in its propogation (and the control it exerts over technology in general). It isn't obviously imploding and its outrageous contradictions should be obvious, it should just be laughed out of existence as it would have been 20 years ago. But lots of otherwise smart people on here pronounce themselves as woke and believe it to be the reinvention of western civilisation. How do you explain that?

Decadence and ease

But that is ending. And how

Wokeness will eat its own children, like all Revolutions. We just have to hunker down, and undermine it quietly

The purity tests get ever more absurd until the whole thing collapses.

Laugh and undermine.

On which note, I have a very effective debating tactic (albeit with 14 year olds).

I say "Yes, I am absolutely privileged. And so are you. You live in one of the most desirable cities in the world, and go to one of the best schools. You have parents that love you and a roof over your head. In some parts of the US, the fact that you are white and drive a nice car will mean that people in authority, like the police, treat you differently to if you are poor and black. And that is all part of privilege.

But privilege is not just about the colour of your skin. Let me give you an example. Is it better to be a black pupil at Brentwood School in Los Angeles, or at a government school in Port Harcourt, Nigeria? Who would you say is privileged? You or them?"

darkage

rcs1000 said:

darkage said:

FPT

NorthofStoke said:

darkage said:

Fishing said:

darkage said:

Casino_Royale said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Fuck taking the fucking knee


https://www.cmps.edu/on-having-whiteness

"On Having Whiteness


"Donald Moss will discuss whiteness as a condition one first acquires and then one has--a malignant, parasitic-like condition to which “white” people have a particular susceptibility. He describes the condition as being foundational, generating characteristic ways of being in one’s body, in one’s mind, and in one’s world: Parasitic whiteness renders its hosts’ appetites voracious, insatiable, and perverse; these deformed appetites particularly target non-white people; and, once established, these appetites are nearly impossible to eliminate"

Not sure what that has got to do with black lives matter mate

Black Lives Matter, or is it Black Lives mAttEr, I dunno, is a Marxist organisation which aims to defund the police, deconstruct the family and destroy any self-respect white people have by instilling an intrinsic guilt about racism, which can never be erased. If you deny your racism you are a racist, if you admit you are racist, get down on your knees

Fuck it. It is loathsome. White people conquered the world, and invented modernity. I will never be ashamed of this, as a white person, because I didn't do it; in the end I will take pride in it, as a race, if necessary

Because that is the end of this hideous divisiveness: White Pride. Maybe that is what they want

Well, I was with you until the end of the first paragraph.

I think some of the fanatics behind this want racial strife in the same way the old lot wanted class strife, because they thought it'd bring about The Revolution.

That (white pride) is the elephant trap that they want you to fall in to, thus proving them right all along.

What is quite interesting is that it hasn't happened. There is no outburst of white pride. People agree with black lives matter because for the most part, they want to move on from racism. However, they have no real understanding of the post marxist agenda of the actual organisation, which is exploiting peoples sympathy towards getting rid of racism. Thats the problem. How to break the link.

It is of course a common tactic of extremist organisations to attach themselves to, and try to parasite on, popular movements ("entryism"). The Socialist Workers Party did so in the Miner's Strike for instance, and Class War did with the poll tax riots. You got neo-Nazi groups trying to infilrate UKIP and the Conservative Party too.

That is their only tactic without significant popular support in this country, as we have an excellent voting system that ruthlessly punishes cranks and nutters, so they will never hold the balance of power in coalition governments, which is their other route to influence.

Yep. The problem is a bit deeper than that though. The 'Black Lives Matter' organisation are a small part of the problem. The bigger problem is the ideas connected to identity politics, which emphasise racial differences, and link these to outcomes and experiences. They have infiltrated all political parties, and have become deeply entrenched in our legal system. They have largely conquered universities. They are largely running unopposed through schools and businesses. This way of thinking inherently makes racial equality impossible. It purports to promote equality, but then turns everything in to a conflict about race, to which there seems to be no real answer or point other than to promote an endless power struggle between different racial groups.

It needs to be hammered intellectually (easy if opposition is not shouted down) especially in academia. Aggressive woke academics need their pathetic charlatan drivel exposed, dismantled and ridiculed.

This won't happen any time soon due to the fact that the woke have taken over most social science departments at universities, and because they have found ways to protect these theories from intellectual criticism.

Its hard to see what the answer is but unless some radical action is taken universties will become pointless because they are just being used as a way of legitimising propoganda and ideological drivel. I've already given up on going in to the academy because it will be starting from a bad place and carrying out a rear guard action from there.

If anyone is interested in this, the book Cynical Theories by James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose is a must read and explains the situation brilliantly (albeit incredibly depressing )

Read Malcolm Bradbury's The History Man.

will do - second time this has been mentioned today.

Leon

Gallowgate said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Honestly, this should improve the teaching at the dump.

More than 150 Oxford dons are boycotting Oriel College and refusing to teach its students in protest at its decision to keep the Cecil Rhodes statue, The Telegraph can reveal.

It is the latest incident in the culture wars engulfing British universities and comes amid a growing fallout over a decision to remove the Queen's portrait at neighbouring Magdalen College.

On Wednesday night, the higher education watchdog chief and four former education ministers hit out at the boycott, with one accusing the academics of attempting to "blackmail" Oriel.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/06/09/exclusive-150-oxford-dons-refuse-teach-rhodes-statue-row/

And even this nonsense represents a tiny tiny proportion of the UK higher education sector.

The vast majority of students and the vast majority of university teaching staff just do their jobs like normal people.

lol

FrancisUrquhart

alex_ said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Sky News have this narrative today that if we only delay opening for another 2 weeks, we can get 1.5-2 million more first doses and 5m more second doses.

All while 5m doses sit in a warehouse doing nothing.

And another 2 weeks and some more. And another 2 weeks and x children. And then some more.

Perhaps we could open up to the U12s? That’s another few weeks or months.

Well...that was also part of Sky News narrative, we need to do the kids.

DecrepiterJohnL

As an aside, when Lord Geidt cleared Boris over wallpapergate and also Matt Hancock over the contract to his sister's firm in which he was himself a shareholder, Geidt did at least pause to wonder how the sister had forgotten her brother was Health Secretary.

Black_Rook

alex_ said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Sky News have this narrative today that if we only delay opening for another 2 weeks, we can get 1.5-2 million more first doses and 5m more second doses.

All while 5m doses sit in a warehouse doing nothing.

And another 2 weeks and some more. And another 2 weeks and x children. And then some more.

Perhaps we could open up to the U12s? That’s another few weeks or months.

Yep, as soon as one excuse is accepted the next one will be manufactured, and before we know it it'll be March 2022 and we'll still be being forced to go shopping in stupid bloody masks.

CarlottaVance

Jersey is going ahead with partial unlockdown (masks in public, gathering size) but keeping nightclubs closed as they’ve had community transmission linked to private parties.

OnlyLivingBoy

darkage said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

darkage said:

FPT

NorthofStoke said:

darkage said:

Fishing said:

darkage said:

Casino_Royale said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Fuck taking the fucking knee


https://www.cmps.edu/on-having-whiteness

"On Having Whiteness


"Donald Moss will discuss whiteness as a condition one first acquires and then one has--a malignant, parasitic-like condition to which “white” people have a particular susceptibility. He describes the condition as being foundational, generating characteristic ways of being in one’s body, in one’s mind, and in one’s world: Parasitic whiteness renders its hosts’ appetites voracious, insatiable, and perverse; these deformed appetites particularly target non-white people; and, once established, these appetites are nearly impossible to eliminate"

Not sure what that has got to do with black lives matter mate

Black Lives Matter, or is it Black Lives mAttEr, I dunno, is a Marxist organisation which aims to defund the police, deconstruct the family and destroy any self-respect white people have by instilling an intrinsic guilt about racism, which can never be erased. If you deny your racism you are a racist, if you admit you are racist, get down on your knees

Fuck it. It is loathsome. White people conquered the world, and invented modernity. I will never be ashamed of this, as a white person, because I didn't do it; in the end I will take pride in it, as a race, if necessary

Because that is the end of this hideous divisiveness: White Pride. Maybe that is what they want

Well, I was with you until the end of the first paragraph.

I think some of the fanatics behind this want racial strife in the same way the old lot wanted class strife, because they thought it'd bring about The Revolution.

That (white pride) is the elephant trap that they want you to fall in to, thus proving them right all along.

What is quite interesting is that it hasn't happened. There is no outburst of white pride. People agree with black lives matter because for the most part, they want to move on from racism. However, they have no real understanding of the post marxist agenda of the actual organisation, which is exploiting peoples sympathy towards getting rid of racism. Thats the problem. How to break the link.

It is of course a common tactic of extremist organisations to attach themselves to, and try to parasite on, popular movements ("entryism"). The Socialist Workers Party did so in the Miner's Strike for instance, and Class War did with the poll tax riots. You got neo-Nazi groups trying to infilrate UKIP and the Conservative Party too.

That is their only tactic without significant popular support in this country, as we have an excellent voting system that ruthlessly punishes cranks and nutters, so they will never hold the balance of power in coalition governments, which is their other route to influence.

Yep. The problem is a bit deeper than that though. The 'Black Lives Matter' organisation are a small part of the problem. The bigger problem is the ideas connected to identity politics, which emphasise racial differences, and link these to outcomes and experiences. They have infiltrated all political parties, and have become deeply entrenched in our legal system. They have largely conquered universities. They are largely running unopposed through schools and businesses. This way of thinking inherently makes racial equality impossible. It purports to promote equality, but then turns everything in to a conflict about race, to which there seems to be no real answer or point other than to promote an endless power struggle between different racial groups.

It needs to be hammered intellectually (easy if opposition is not shouted down) especially in academia. Aggressive woke academics need their pathetic charlatan drivel exposed, dismantled and ridiculed.

This won't happen any time soon due to the fact that the woke have taken over most social science departments at universities, and because they have found ways to protect these theories from intellectual criticism.

Its hard to see what the answer is but unless some radical action is taken universties will become pointless because they are just being used as a way of legitimising propoganda and ideological drivel. I've already given up on going in to the academy because it will be starting from a bad place and carrying out a rear guard action from there.

If anyone is interested in this, the book Cynical Theories by James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose is a must read and explains the situation brilliantly (albeit incredibly depressing )

99% of people who go to universities are not remotely interested in any of this stuff

99% of people who WORK at universities ARE, or they are forced to be. That is the problem

While it isn't ideal, it's not exactly a massive deal in the grand scheme of things. I've been to university twice. Not once did any lecturer try to influence me politically. They're far too busy doing "research" to bother trying to influence undergraduates.

I think that this is a common view and I appreciate it - when I was at university it was a case of most people just turning up and doing the work, I expect it is still the same now. The problems are to do with big questions that students are generally not interested in and don't really think about, IE what is a university for, are we there to find out the truth, or are we there to pursue social justice: increasingly the answer is the latter, which has an impact on the type of research that is undertaken, and the whole thing sort of snowballs from there.

Eric Kaufmann at Birkbeck explained this quite well on triggernometry recently

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hk0TPBP_sE

Most people are there to get drunk, get laid and eventually get a job. A bit of youthful idealism on the side isn't such a bad thing, I would have thought, and it's hardly a new development. When my parents were at university in the sixties they protested against the Vietnam War. When my grandfather was at university in the thirties he was a communist. I'm sure the fogeyist culture warriors of those times were frothing about them too.

Gallowgate

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

darkage said:

FPT

NorthofStoke said:

darkage said:

Fishing said:

darkage said:

Casino_Royale said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Fuck taking the fucking knee


https://www.cmps.edu/on-having-whiteness

"On Having Whiteness


"Donald Moss will discuss whiteness as a condition one first acquires and then one has--a malignant, parasitic-like condition to which “white” people have a particular susceptibility. He describes the condition as being foundational, generating characteristic ways of being in one’s body, in one’s mind, and in one’s world: Parasitic whiteness renders its hosts’ appetites voracious, insatiable, and perverse; these deformed appetites particularly target non-white people; and, once established, these appetites are nearly impossible to eliminate"

Not sure what that has got to do with black lives matter mate

Black Lives Matter, or is it Black Lives mAttEr, I dunno, is a Marxist organisation which aims to defund the police, deconstruct the family and destroy any self-respect white people have by instilling an intrinsic guilt about racism, which can never be erased. If you deny your racism you are a racist, if you admit you are racist, get down on your knees

Fuck it. It is loathsome. White people conquered the world, and invented modernity. I will never be ashamed of this, as a white person, because I didn't do it; in the end I will take pride in it, as a race, if necessary

Because that is the end of this hideous divisiveness: White Pride. Maybe that is what they want

Well, I was with you until the end of the first paragraph.

I think some of the fanatics behind this want racial strife in the same way the old lot wanted class strife, because they thought it'd bring about The Revolution.

That (white pride) is the elephant trap that they want you to fall in to, thus proving them right all along.

What is quite interesting is that it hasn't happened. There is no outburst of white pride. People agree with black lives matter because for the most part, they want to move on from racism. However, they have no real understanding of the post marxist agenda of the actual organisation, which is exploiting peoples sympathy towards getting rid of racism. Thats the problem. How to break the link.

It is of course a common tactic of extremist organisations to attach themselves to, and try to parasite on, popular movements ("entryism"). The Socialist Workers Party did so in the Miner's Strike for instance, and Class War did with the poll tax riots. You got neo-Nazi groups trying to infilrate UKIP and the Conservative Party too.

That is their only tactic without significant popular support in this country, as we have an excellent voting system that ruthlessly punishes cranks and nutters, so they will never hold the balance of power in coalition governments, which is their other route to influence.

Yep. The problem is a bit deeper than that though. The 'Black Lives Matter' organisation are a small part of the problem. The bigger problem is the ideas connected to identity politics, which emphasise racial differences, and link these to outcomes and experiences. They have infiltrated all political parties, and have become deeply entrenched in our legal system. They have largely conquered universities. They are largely running unopposed through schools and businesses. This way of thinking inherently makes racial equality impossible. It purports to promote equality, but then turns everything in to a conflict about race, to which there seems to be no real answer or point other than to promote an endless power struggle between different racial groups.

It needs to be hammered intellectually (easy if opposition is not shouted down) especially in academia. Aggressive woke academics need their pathetic charlatan drivel exposed, dismantled and ridiculed.

This won't happen any time soon due to the fact that the woke have taken over most social science departments at universities, and because they have found ways to protect these theories from intellectual criticism.

Its hard to see what the answer is but unless some radical action is taken universties will become pointless because they are just being used as a way of legitimising propoganda and ideological drivel. I've already given up on going in to the academy because it will be starting from a bad place and carrying out a rear guard action from there.

If anyone is interested in this, the book Cynical Theories by James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose is a must read and explains the situation brilliantly (albeit incredibly depressing )

99% of people who go to universities are not remotely interested in any of this stuff

99% of people who WORK at universities ARE, or they are forced to be. That is the problem

While it isn't ideal, it's not exactly a massive deal in the grand scheme of things. I've been to university twice. Not once did any lecturer try to influence me politically. They're far too busy doing "research" to bother trying to influence undergraduates.

I get the impression that a lot of the people who think that Universities are all hotbeds of Marxist indoctrination haven't set foot in one for a long time. Or perhaps they read the History Man and didn't realise it was (a) fiction and (b) set about five decades ago. I agree with Gallowgate on this as on much else. I spent eight years at two different universities and my experience was that academics spend as little time engaging with undergraduates as they can get away with.

Yep. While I don’t deny that there is a growing illiberal tendency amongst some academic types, some of the “takes” on the matter are laughably hysterical and completely detached from reality.

CarlottaVance

Interesting observation

Btw, I think the roadmap was pretty excellently calibrated for the lineage we were facing – as shown by B.1.1.7 R which has stayed <=1 </i>

https://twitter.com/theosanderson/status/1402731200729567233?s=20

MattW

beentheredonethat said:

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

Speaking of restaurants, here in Seattle there is a BIG problem for hospitality industry in hiring enough cooks, waiters, etc. to handle increasing demand. Not just higher-end places, but also for the taco place next to my humble abode.

And this is with a higher city minimum wage than the State of WA generally.

Part of the issue here, especially (but not just) for lower-cost options, is that there is also a huge demand for construction workers.

Pay more. If your specialty was in an in demand sector with limited available employees. You would demand more money wouldn’t you? Then why shouldn’t wait staff etc?

The way the elitist bastards despise working class people and do not believe they have the same rights, ambitions and needs makes me sick.

Eat the rich!

Seattle was the canary in the US $15 minimum wage experiment.

There were people predicting both a booming job market, and a crunch at the bottom.

Presumably waiting staff etc will have alternatives at similar wage rates, and small or lower priced establishments will not be able to stay viable and fund the higher wages.

The other place where there will be an experiment in McDonalds, where if the wage hike campaign works I would expect fewer jobs and more automation.

SeaShantyIrish2

Re: wokery, note that Metternich set his sights against it back in the early 19th century:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlsbad_Decrees

"The Carlsbad Decrees were a set of reactionary restrictions introduced in the states of the German Confederation by resolution of the Bundesversammlung on 20 September 1819 after a conference held in the spa town of Carlsbad, Bohemia. They banned nationalist fraternities ("Burschenschaften"), removed liberal university professors, and expanded the censorship of the press. They were aimed at quelling a growing sentiment for German unification and were passed during ongoing Hep-Hep riots which ended within a month after the resolution was passed.

The meeting of the state's representatives was called by the Austrian Minister of State Prince Klemens Wenzel von Metternich after the liberal Burschenschaft student Karl Ludwig Sand had murdered the conservative writer August von Kotzebue on 23 March 1819, and an attempt had been made by apothecary Karl Löning on the life of Nassau president Karl von Ibell on 1 July 1819.[1][2] In the course of the European Restoration Metternich feared liberal and national tendencies at German universities which might conduct revolutionary activities threatening the monarchistic order. At this time, the two outrages cited were a welcome pretext to take action.

The Carlsbad Decrees had consequences not only for the rights of the member states but also for the independent Academic Jurisdiction that had partially been in existence for centuries. An important instrument for the application of the Decrees for these and other purposes was the Mainzer Zentraluntersuchungskommission.

An essential attribute of the decrees was that the reactionary German Confederation understood liberal and nationalistic ideas as sedition and persecuted those spreading these ideas as demagogues. This persecution of demagogues, Demagogenverfolgung, was especially vigorous in Prussia.

After the Hambach Festival in 1832 the persecution was renewed for the last time. Only after the March Revolution of 1848 were the Carlsbad Decrees abrogated by the German Bundestag, on 2 April 1848."

Philip_Thompson

isam said:

Matthew Syed write a great article about the cricket witchsmellers

“ “I once laughed at a joke in Fawlty Towers, a programme which, I am now given to understand, is considered xenophobic. Am I still eligible to play for the England over-50s at ping pong?””

https://twitter.com/timessport/status/1402622955092328448?s=21

From what I've seen of the Tweets, unless there's any I've missed, they were juvenile jokes by teenage boys not racist or sexist rants to offend people.

After a joke someone made here, I relistened to the album Hooray for Boobies by the Bloodhound Gang that I had as a teenager. Not listened to it in forever, I'd forgotten how crude most of the songs were, most with lyrics far worse than anything I'd seen from Robinson.

There's a world of difference between being racist today to insult people and having made tasteless jokes years ago. Or even tasteless jokes today.

Black_Rook

FrancisUrquhart said:

alex_ said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Sky News have this narrative today that if we only delay opening for another 2 weeks, we can get 1.5-2 million more first doses and 5m more second doses.

All while 5m doses sit in a warehouse doing nothing.

And another 2 weeks and some more. And another 2 weeks and x children. And then some more.

Perhaps we could open up to the U12s? That’s another few weeks or months.

Well...that was also part of Sky News narrative, we need to do the kids.

Children are being lined up as one of the major excuses for enforcing masks forever. Covid measures have been in force for so long now that it's starting to fuck with young kids' immune systems, because they're being kept in an unnaturally clean environment and no longer being exposed to bugs. The result is a panic over a tidal wave of paediatric respiratory illnesses if we dare go back to normal.

That'll be another one to go into the same category as this Winter's predicted flu catastrophe. The attitude won't be "social distancing and mask wearing cause desperate health problems, and must be stopped before they make them any worse," it'll be "social distancing and mask wearing must now continue forever, and if you disagree you want the NHS to be crushed under a mountain of baby corpses." It's all so bloody predictable.

Andy_JS

Thanks to Cyclefree for another interesting header.

darkage

OnlyLivingBoy said:

darkage said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

darkage said:

FPT

NorthofStoke said:

darkage said:

Fishing said:

darkage said:

Casino_Royale said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Fuck taking the fucking knee


https://www.cmps.edu/on-having-whiteness

"On Having Whiteness


"Donald Moss will discuss whiteness as a condition one first acquires and then one has--a malignant, parasitic-like condition to which “white” people have a particular susceptibility. He describes the condition as being foundational, generating characteristic ways of being in one’s body, in one’s mind, and in one’s world: Parasitic whiteness renders its hosts’ appetites voracious, insatiable, and perverse; these deformed appetites particularly target non-white people; and, once established, these appetites are nearly impossible to eliminate"

Not sure what that has got to do with black lives matter mate

Black Lives Matter, or is it Black Lives mAttEr, I dunno, is a Marxist organisation which aims to defund the police, deconstruct the family and destroy any self-respect white people have by instilling an intrinsic guilt about racism, which can never be erased. If you deny your racism you are a racist, if you admit you are racist, get down on your knees

Fuck it. It is loathsome. White people conquered the world, and invented modernity. I will never be ashamed of this, as a white person, because I didn't do it; in the end I will take pride in it, as a race, if necessary

Because that is the end of this hideous divisiveness: White Pride. Maybe that is what they want

Well, I was with you until the end of the first paragraph.

I think some of the fanatics behind this want racial strife in the same way the old lot wanted class strife, because they thought it'd bring about The Revolution.

That (white pride) is the elephant trap that they want you to fall in to, thus proving them right all along.

What is quite interesting is that it hasn't happened. There is no outburst of white pride. People agree with black lives matter because for the most part, they want to move on from racism. However, they have no real understanding of the post marxist agenda of the actual organisation, which is exploiting peoples sympathy towards getting rid of racism. Thats the problem. How to break the link.

It is of course a common tactic of extremist organisations to attach themselves to, and try to parasite on, popular movements ("entryism"). The Socialist Workers Party did so in the Miner's Strike for instance, and Class War did with the poll tax riots. You got neo-Nazi groups trying to infilrate UKIP and the Conservative Party too.

That is their only tactic without significant popular support in this country, as we have an excellent voting system that ruthlessly punishes cranks and nutters, so they will never hold the balance of power in coalition governments, which is their other route to influence.

Yep. The problem is a bit deeper than that though. The 'Black Lives Matter' organisation are a small part of the problem. The bigger problem is the ideas connected to identity politics, which emphasise racial differences, and link these to outcomes and experiences. They have infiltrated all political parties, and have become deeply entrenched in our legal system. They have largely conquered universities. They are largely running unopposed through schools and businesses. This way of thinking inherently makes racial equality impossible. It purports to promote equality, but then turns everything in to a conflict about race, to which there seems to be no real answer or point other than to promote an endless power struggle between different racial groups.

It needs to be hammered intellectually (easy if opposition is not shouted down) especially in academia. Aggressive woke academics need their pathetic charlatan drivel exposed, dismantled and ridiculed.

This won't happen any time soon due to the fact that the woke have taken over most social science departments at universities, and because they have found ways to protect these theories from intellectual criticism.

Its hard to see what the answer is but unless some radical action is taken universties will become pointless because they are just being used as a way of legitimising propoganda and ideological drivel. I've already given up on going in to the academy because it will be starting from a bad place and carrying out a rear guard action from there.

If anyone is interested in this, the book Cynical Theories by James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose is a must read and explains the situation brilliantly (albeit incredibly depressing )

99% of people who go to universities are not remotely interested in any of this stuff

99% of people who WORK at universities ARE, or they are forced to be. That is the problem

While it isn't ideal, it's not exactly a massive deal in the grand scheme of things. I've been to university twice. Not once did any lecturer try to influence me politically. They're far too busy doing "research" to bother trying to influence undergraduates.

I think that this is a common view and I appreciate it - when I was at university it was a case of most people just turning up and doing the work, I expect it is still the same now. The problems are to do with big questions that students are generally not interested in and don't really think about, IE what is a university for, are we there to find out the truth, or are we there to pursue social justice: increasingly the answer is the latter, which has an impact on the type of research that is undertaken, and the whole thing sort of snowballs from there.

Eric Kaufmann at Birkbeck explained this quite well on triggernometry recently

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hk0TPBP_sE

Most people are there to get drunk, get laid and eventually get a job. A bit of youthful idealism on the side isn't such a bad thing, I would have thought, and it's hardly a new development. When my parents were at university in the sixties they protested against the Vietnam War. When my grandfather was at university in the thirties he was a communist. I'm sure the fogeyist culture warriors of those times were frothing about them too.

I'm sorry but I just don't agree with this. I'm not that far out of university myself and I was seriously looking at going back but decided against it. Read Lindsay and Pluckrose or watch the video with Eric Kaufmann I linked to. Look in to what happened to Bret Weinstein at Evergreen State University (if you can find a neutral source). It isn't just a repeat of 1968, the whole sector is literally destroying itself.

OnlyLivingBoy

Gallowgate said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

darkage said:

FPT

NorthofStoke said:

darkage said:

Fishing said:

darkage said:

Casino_Royale said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Fuck taking the fucking knee


https://www.cmps.edu/on-having-whiteness

"On Having Whiteness


"Donald Moss will discuss whiteness as a condition one first acquires and then one has--a malignant, parasitic-like condition to which “white” people have a particular susceptibility. He describes the condition as being foundational, generating characteristic ways of being in one’s body, in one’s mind, and in one’s world: Parasitic whiteness renders its hosts’ appetites voracious, insatiable, and perverse; these deformed appetites particularly target non-white people; and, once established, these appetites are nearly impossible to eliminate"

Not sure what that has got to do with black lives matter mate

Black Lives Matter, or is it Black Lives mAttEr, I dunno, is a Marxist organisation which aims to defund the police, deconstruct the family and destroy any self-respect white people have by instilling an intrinsic guilt about racism, which can never be erased. If you deny your racism you are a racist, if you admit you are racist, get down on your knees

Fuck it. It is loathsome. White people conquered the world, and invented modernity. I will never be ashamed of this, as a white person, because I didn't do it; in the end I will take pride in it, as a race, if necessary

Because that is the end of this hideous divisiveness: White Pride. Maybe that is what they want

Well, I was with you until the end of the first paragraph.

I think some of the fanatics behind this want racial strife in the same way the old lot wanted class strife, because they thought it'd bring about The Revolution.

That (white pride) is the elephant trap that they want you to fall in to, thus proving them right all along.

What is quite interesting is that it hasn't happened. There is no outburst of white pride. People agree with black lives matter because for the most part, they want to move on from racism. However, they have no real understanding of the post marxist agenda of the actual organisation, which is exploiting peoples sympathy towards getting rid of racism. Thats the problem. How to break the link.

It is of course a common tactic of extremist organisations to attach themselves to, and try to parasite on, popular movements ("entryism"). The Socialist Workers Party did so in the Miner's Strike for instance, and Class War did with the poll tax riots. You got neo-Nazi groups trying to infilrate UKIP and the Conservative Party too.

That is their only tactic without significant popular support in this country, as we have an excellent voting system that ruthlessly punishes cranks and nutters, so they will never hold the balance of power in coalition governments, which is their other route to influence.

Yep. The problem is a bit deeper than that though. The 'Black Lives Matter' organisation are a small part of the problem. The bigger problem is the ideas connected to identity politics, which emphasise racial differences, and link these to outcomes and experiences. They have infiltrated all political parties, and have become deeply entrenched in our legal system. They have largely conquered universities. They are largely running unopposed through schools and businesses. This way of thinking inherently makes racial equality impossible. It purports to promote equality, but then turns everything in to a conflict about race, to which there seems to be no real answer or point other than to promote an endless power struggle between different racial groups.

It needs to be hammered intellectually (easy if opposition is not shouted down) especially in academia. Aggressive woke academics need their pathetic charlatan drivel exposed, dismantled and ridiculed.

This won't happen any time soon due to the fact that the woke have taken over most social science departments at universities, and because they have found ways to protect these theories from intellectual criticism.

Its hard to see what the answer is but unless some radical action is taken universties will become pointless because they are just being used as a way of legitimising propoganda and ideological drivel. I've already given up on going in to the academy because it will be starting from a bad place and carrying out a rear guard action from there.

If anyone is interested in this, the book Cynical Theories by James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose is a must read and explains the situation brilliantly (albeit incredibly depressing )

99% of people who go to universities are not remotely interested in any of this stuff

99% of people who WORK at universities ARE, or they are forced to be. That is the problem

While it isn't ideal, it's not exactly a massive deal in the grand scheme of things. I've been to university twice. Not once did any lecturer try to influence me politically. They're far too busy doing "research" to bother trying to influence undergraduates.

I get the impression that a lot of the people who think that Universities are all hotbeds of Marxist indoctrination haven't set foot in one for a long time. Or perhaps they read the History Man and didn't realise it was (a) fiction and (b) set about five decades ago. I agree with Gallowgate on this as on much else. I spent eight years at two different universities and my experience was that academics spend as little time engaging with undergraduates as they can get away with.

Yep. While I don’t deny that there is a growing illiberal tendency amongst some academic types, some of the “takes” on the matter are laughably hysterical and completely detached from reality.

This kind of hysterical casting around for the "enemy within" is typical of the paranoid style that has taken over the Right in this country, especially now that the EU can't be blamed for everything. But bear in mind that being detached from reality is a feature, not a bug, in this kind of politics. Reality, after all, has a well-known liberal bias.

Gallowgate

darkage said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

darkage said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

darkage said:

FPT

NorthofStoke said:

darkage said:

Fishing said:

darkage said:

Casino_Royale said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Fuck taking the fucking knee


https://www.cmps.edu/on-having-whiteness

"On Having Whiteness


"Donald Moss will discuss whiteness as a condition one first acquires and then one has--a malignant, parasitic-like condition to which “white” people have a particular susceptibility. He describes the condition as being foundational, generating characteristic ways of being in one’s body, in one’s mind, and in one’s world: Parasitic whiteness renders its hosts’ appetites voracious, insatiable, and perverse; these deformed appetites particularly target non-white people; and, once established, these appetites are nearly impossible to eliminate"

Not sure what that has got to do with black lives matter mate

Black Lives Matter, or is it Black Lives mAttEr, I dunno, is a Marxist organisation which aims to defund the police, deconstruct the family and destroy any self-respect white people have by instilling an intrinsic guilt about racism, which can never be erased. If you deny your racism you are a racist, if you admit you are racist, get down on your knees

Fuck it. It is loathsome. White people conquered the world, and invented modernity. I will never be ashamed of this, as a white person, because I didn't do it; in the end I will take pride in it, as a race, if necessary

Because that is the end of this hideous divisiveness: White Pride. Maybe that is what they want

Well, I was with you until the end of the first paragraph.

I think some of the fanatics behind this want racial strife in the same way the old lot wanted class strife, because they thought it'd bring about The Revolution.

That (white pride) is the elephant trap that they want you to fall in to, thus proving them right all along.

What is quite interesting is that it hasn't happened. There is no outburst of white pride. People agree with black lives matter because for the most part, they want to move on from racism. However, they have no real understanding of the post marxist agenda of the actual organisation, which is exploiting peoples sympathy towards getting rid of racism. Thats the problem. How to break the link.

It is of course a common tactic of extremist organisations to attach themselves to, and try to parasite on, popular movements ("entryism"). The Socialist Workers Party did so in the Miner's Strike for instance, and Class War did with the poll tax riots. You got neo-Nazi groups trying to infilrate UKIP and the Conservative Party too.

That is their only tactic without significant popular support in this country, as we have an excellent voting system that ruthlessly punishes cranks and nutters, so they will never hold the balance of power in coalition governments, which is their other route to influence.

Yep. The problem is a bit deeper than that though. The 'Black Lives Matter' organisation are a small part of the problem. The bigger problem is the ideas connected to identity politics, which emphasise racial differences, and link these to outcomes and experiences. They have infiltrated all political parties, and have become deeply entrenched in our legal system. They have largely conquered universities. They are largely running unopposed through schools and businesses. This way of thinking inherently makes racial equality impossible. It purports to promote equality, but then turns everything in to a conflict about race, to which there seems to be no real answer or point other than to promote an endless power struggle between different racial groups.

It needs to be hammered intellectually (easy if opposition is not shouted down) especially in academia. Aggressive woke academics need their pathetic charlatan drivel exposed, dismantled and ridiculed.

This won't happen any time soon due to the fact that the woke have taken over most social science departments at universities, and because they have found ways to protect these theories from intellectual criticism.

Its hard to see what the answer is but unless some radical action is taken universties will become pointless because they are just being used as a way of legitimising propoganda and ideological drivel. I've already given up on going in to the academy because it will be starting from a bad place and carrying out a rear guard action from there.

If anyone is interested in this, the book Cynical Theories by James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose is a must read and explains the situation brilliantly (albeit incredibly depressing )

99% of people who go to universities are not remotely interested in any of this stuff

99% of people who WORK at universities ARE, or they are forced to be. That is the problem

While it isn't ideal, it's not exactly a massive deal in the grand scheme of things. I've been to university twice. Not once did any lecturer try to influence me politically. They're far too busy doing "research" to bother trying to influence undergraduates.

I think that this is a common view and I appreciate it - when I was at university it was a case of most people just turning up and doing the work, I expect it is still the same now. The problems are to do with big questions that students are generally not interested in and don't really think about, IE what is a university for, are we there to find out the truth, or are we there to pursue social justice: increasingly the answer is the latter, which has an impact on the type of research that is undertaken, and the whole thing sort of snowballs from there.

Eric Kaufmann at Birkbeck explained this quite well on triggernometry recently

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hk0TPBP_sE

Most people are there to get drunk, get laid and eventually get a job. A bit of youthful idealism on the side isn't such a bad thing, I would have thought, and it's hardly a new development. When my parents were at university in the sixties they protested against the Vietnam War. When my grandfather was at university in the thirties he was a communist. I'm sure the fogeyist culture warriors of those times were frothing about them too.

I'm sorry but I just don't agree with this. I'm not that far out of university myself and I was seriously looking at going back but decided against it. Read Lindsay and Pluckrose or watch the video with Eric Kaufmann I linked to. Look in to what happened to Bret Weinstein at Evergreen State University (if you can find a neutral source). It isn't just a repeat of 1968, the whole sector is literally destroying itself.

Hang on, I thought you guys were opposed to “importing cultural problems” from the USA?

SeaShantyIrish2

MattW said:

beentheredonethat said:

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

Speaking of restaurants, here in Seattle there is a BIG problem for hospitality industry in hiring enough cooks, waiters, etc. to handle increasing demand. Not just higher-end places, but also for the taco place next to my humble abode.

And this is with a higher city minimum wage than the State of WA generally.

Part of the issue here, especially (but not just) for lower-cost options, is that there is also a huge demand for construction workers.

Pay more. If your specialty was in an in demand sector with limited available employees. You would demand more money wouldn’t you? Then why shouldn’t wait staff etc?

The way the elitist bastards despise working class people and do not believe they have the same rights, ambitions and needs makes me sick.

Eat the rich!

Seattle was the canary in the US $15 minimum wage experiment.

There were people predicting both a booming job market, and a crunch at the bottom.

Presumably waiting staff etc will have alternatives at similar wage rates, and small or lower priced establishments will not be able to stay viable and fund the higher wages.

The other place where there will be an experiment in McDonalds, where if the wage hike campaign works I would expect fewer jobs and more automation.

The labor shortage in hospitality industry has more to to with COVID than with $15/hour minimum wage, methinks. Though the industry fought the later tooth and nail, they were booming along as per usual before the pandemic. And today the smaller, cheaper places (where yours truly sometimes dines, certainly more often than at the high-rent establishments) appear making out ok PROVIDED they survived the COVID.

solarflare

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-57406136

That picture will feature in my nightmares now probably.

OnlyLivingBoy

darkage said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

darkage said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

darkage said:

FPT

NorthofStoke said:

darkage said:

Fishing said:

darkage said:

Casino_Royale said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Fuck taking the fucking knee


https://www.cmps.edu/on-having-whiteness

"On Having Whiteness


"Donald Moss will discuss whiteness as a condition one first acquires and then one has--a malignant, parasitic-like condition to which “white” people have a particular susceptibility. He describes the condition as being foundational, generating characteristic ways of being in one’s body, in one’s mind, and in one’s world: Parasitic whiteness renders its hosts’ appetites voracious, insatiable, and perverse; these deformed appetites particularly target non-white people; and, once established, these appetites are nearly impossible to eliminate"

Not sure what that has got to do with black lives matter mate

Black Lives Matter, or is it Black Lives mAttEr, I dunno, is a Marxist organisation which aims to defund the police, deconstruct the family and destroy any self-respect white people have by instilling an intrinsic guilt about racism, which can never be erased. If you deny your racism you are a racist, if you admit you are racist, get down on your knees

Fuck it. It is loathsome. White people conquered the world, and invented modernity. I will never be ashamed of this, as a white person, because I didn't do it; in the end I will take pride in it, as a race, if necessary

Because that is the end of this hideous divisiveness: White Pride. Maybe that is what they want

Well, I was with you until the end of the first paragraph.

I think some of the fanatics behind this want racial strife in the same way the old lot wanted class strife, because they thought it'd bring about The Revolution.

That (white pride) is the elephant trap that they want you to fall in to, thus proving them right all along.

What is quite interesting is that it hasn't happened. There is no outburst of white pride. People agree with black lives matter because for the most part, they want to move on from racism. However, they have no real understanding of the post marxist agenda of the actual organisation, which is exploiting peoples sympathy towards getting rid of racism. Thats the problem. How to break the link.

It is of course a common tactic of extremist organisations to attach themselves to, and try to parasite on, popular movements ("entryism"). The Socialist Workers Party did so in the Miner's Strike for instance, and Class War did with the poll tax riots. You got neo-Nazi groups trying to infilrate UKIP and the Conservative Party too.

That is their only tactic without significant popular support in this country, as we have an excellent voting system that ruthlessly punishes cranks and nutters, so they will never hold the balance of power in coalition governments, which is their other route to influence.

Yep. The problem is a bit deeper than that though. The 'Black Lives Matter' organisation are a small part of the problem. The bigger problem is the ideas connected to identity politics, which emphasise racial differences, and link these to outcomes and experiences. They have infiltrated all political parties, and have become deeply entrenched in our legal system. They have largely conquered universities. They are largely running unopposed through schools and businesses. This way of thinking inherently makes racial equality impossible. It purports to promote equality, but then turns everything in to a conflict about race, to which there seems to be no real answer or point other than to promote an endless power struggle between different racial groups.

It needs to be hammered intellectually (easy if opposition is not shouted down) especially in academia. Aggressive woke academics need their pathetic charlatan drivel exposed, dismantled and ridiculed.

This won't happen any time soon due to the fact that the woke have taken over most social science departments at universities, and because they have found ways to protect these theories from intellectual criticism.

Its hard to see what the answer is but unless some radical action is taken universties will become pointless because they are just being used as a way of legitimising propoganda and ideological drivel. I've already given up on going in to the academy because it will be starting from a bad place and carrying out a rear guard action from there.

If anyone is interested in this, the book Cynical Theories by James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose is a must read and explains the situation brilliantly (albeit incredibly depressing )

99% of people who go to universities are not remotely interested in any of this stuff

99% of people who WORK at universities ARE, or they are forced to be. That is the problem

While it isn't ideal, it's not exactly a massive deal in the grand scheme of things. I've been to university twice. Not once did any lecturer try to influence me politically. They're far too busy doing "research" to bother trying to influence undergraduates.

I think that this is a common view and I appreciate it - when I was at university it was a case of most people just turning up and doing the work, I expect it is still the same now. The problems are to do with big questions that students are generally not interested in and don't really think about, IE what is a university for, are we there to find out the truth, or are we there to pursue social justice: increasingly the answer is the latter, which has an impact on the type of research that is undertaken, and the whole thing sort of snowballs from there.

Eric Kaufmann at Birkbeck explained this quite well on triggernometry recently

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hk0TPBP_sE

Most people are there to get drunk, get laid and eventually get a job. A bit of youthful idealism on the side isn't such a bad thing, I would have thought, and it's hardly a new development. When my parents were at university in the sixties they protested against the Vietnam War. When my grandfather was at university in the thirties he was a communist. I'm sure the fogeyist culture warriors of those times were frothing about them too.

I'm sorry but I just don't agree with this. I'm not that far out of university myself and I was seriously looking at going back but decided against it. Read Lindsay and Pluckrose or watch the video with Eric Kaufmann I linked to. Look in to what happened to Bret Weinstein at Evergreen State University (if you can find a neutral source). It isn't just a repeat of 1968, the whole sector is literally destroying itself.

I have never heard of Evergreen State University. Is it a former Poly?

Leon

darkage said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

darkage said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

darkage said:

FPT

NorthofStoke said:

darkage said:

Fishing said:

darkage said:

Casino_Royale said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Fuck taking the fucking knee


https://www.cmps.edu/on-having-whiteness

"On Having Whiteness


"Donald Moss will discuss whiteness as a condition one first acquires and then one has--a malignant, parasitic-like condition to which “white” people have a particular susceptibility. He describes the condition as being foundational, generating characteristic ways of being in one’s body, in one’s mind, and in one’s world: Parasitic whiteness renders its hosts’ appetites voracious, insatiable, and perverse; these deformed appetites particularly target non-white people; and, once established, these appetites are nearly impossible to eliminate"

Not sure what that has got to do with black lives matter mate

Black Lives Matter, or is it Black Lives mAttEr, I dunno, is a Marxist organisation which aims to defund the police, deconstruct the family and destroy any self-respect white people have by instilling an intrinsic guilt about racism, which can never be erased. If you deny your racism you are a racist, if you admit you are racist, get down on your knees

Fuck it. It is loathsome. White people conquered the world, and invented modernity. I will never be ashamed of this, as a white person, because I didn't do it; in the end I will take pride in it, as a race, if necessary

Because that is the end of this hideous divisiveness: White Pride. Maybe that is what they want

Well, I was with you until the end of the first paragraph.

I think some of the fanatics behind this want racial strife in the same way the old lot wanted class strife, because they thought it'd bring about The Revolution.

That (white pride) is the elephant trap that they want you to fall in to, thus proving them right all along.

What is quite interesting is that it hasn't happened. There is no outburst of white pride. People agree with black lives matter because for the most part, they want to move on from racism. However, they have no real understanding of the post marxist agenda of the actual organisation, which is exploiting peoples sympathy towards getting rid of racism. Thats the problem. How to break the link.

It is of course a common tactic of extremist organisations to attach themselves to, and try to parasite on, popular movements ("entryism"). The Socialist Workers Party did so in the Miner's Strike for instance, and Class War did with the poll tax riots. You got neo-Nazi groups trying to infilrate UKIP and the Conservative Party too.

That is their only tactic without significant popular support in this country, as we have an excellent voting system that ruthlessly punishes cranks and nutters, so they will never hold the balance of power in coalition governments, which is their other route to influence.

Yep. The problem is a bit deeper than that though. The 'Black Lives Matter' organisation are a small part of the problem. The bigger problem is the ideas connected to identity politics, which emphasise racial differences, and link these to outcomes and experiences. They have infiltrated all political parties, and have become deeply entrenched in our legal system. They have largely conquered universities. They are largely running unopposed through schools and businesses. This way of thinking inherently makes racial equality impossible. It purports to promote equality, but then turns everything in to a conflict about race, to which there seems to be no real answer or point other than to promote an endless power struggle between different racial groups.

It needs to be hammered intellectually (easy if opposition is not shouted down) especially in academia. Aggressive woke academics need their pathetic charlatan drivel exposed, dismantled and ridiculed.

This won't happen any time soon due to the fact that the woke have taken over most social science departments at universities, and because they have found ways to protect these theories from intellectual criticism.

Its hard to see what the answer is but unless some radical action is taken universties will become pointless because they are just being used as a way of legitimising propoganda and ideological drivel. I've already given up on going in to the academy because it will be starting from a bad place and carrying out a rear guard action from there.

If anyone is interested in this, the book Cynical Theories by James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose is a must read and explains the situation brilliantly (albeit incredibly depressing )

99% of people who go to universities are not remotely interested in any of this stuff

99% of people who WORK at universities ARE, or they are forced to be. That is the problem

While it isn't ideal, it's not exactly a massive deal in the grand scheme of things. I've been to university twice. Not once did any lecturer try to influence me politically. They're far too busy doing "research" to bother trying to influence undergraduates.

I think that this is a common view and I appreciate it - when I was at university it was a case of most people just turning up and doing the work, I expect it is still the same now. The problems are to do with big questions that students are generally not interested in and don't really think about, IE what is a university for, are we there to find out the truth, or are we there to pursue social justice: increasingly the answer is the latter, which has an impact on the type of research that is undertaken, and the whole thing sort of snowballs from there.

Eric Kaufmann at Birkbeck explained this quite well on triggernometry recently

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hk0TPBP_sE

Most people are there to get drunk, get laid and eventually get a job. A bit of youthful idealism on the side isn't such a bad thing, I would have thought, and it's hardly a new development. When my parents were at university in the sixties they protested against the Vietnam War. When my grandfather was at university in the thirties he was a communist. I'm sure the fogeyist culture warriors of those times were frothing about them too.

I'm sorry but I just don't agree with this. I'm not that far out of university myself and I was seriously looking at going back but decided against it. Read Lindsay and Pluckrose or watch the video with Eric Kaufmann I linked to. Look in to what happened to Bret Weinstein at Evergreen State University (if you can find a neutral source). It isn't just a repeat of 1968, the whole sector is literally destroying itself.

Yes, Wokeness is new - and unprecedented in its ferocity and virulence. You are talking to eejits who refuse to see what is front of their eyes

Evegreen was a mind-boggling glimpse of a future which is coming true

AnExileinD4

rcs1000 said:

Leon said:

darkage said:

Leon said:

darkage said:

FPT

NorthofStoke said:

darkage said:

Fishing said:

darkage said:

Casino_Royale said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Fuck taking the fucking knee


https://www.cmps.edu/on-having-whiteness

"On Having Whiteness


"Donald Moss will discuss whiteness as a condition one first acquires and then one has--a malignant, parasitic-like condition to which “white” people have a particular susceptibility. He describes the condition as being foundational, generating characteristic ways of being in one’s body, in one’s mind, and in one’s world: Parasitic whiteness renders its hosts’ appetites voracious, insatiable, and perverse; these deformed appetites particularly target non-white people; and, once established, these appetites are nearly impossible to eliminate"

Not sure what that has got to do with black lives matter mate

Black Lives Matter, or is it Black Lives mAttEr, I dunno, is a Marxist organisation which aims to defund the police, deconstruct the family and destroy any self-respect white people have by instilling an intrinsic guilt about racism, which can never be erased. If you deny your racism you are a racist, if you admit you are racist, get down on your knees

Fuck it. It is loathsome. White people conquered the world, and invented modernity. I will never be ashamed of this, as a white person, because I didn't do it; in the end I will take pride in it, as a race, if necessary

Because that is the end of this hideous divisiveness: White Pride. Maybe that is what they want

Well, I was with you until the end of the first paragraph.

I think some of the fanatics behind this want racial strife in the same way the old lot wanted class strife, because they thought it'd bring about The Revolution.

That (white pride) is the elephant trap that they want you to fall in to, thus proving them right all along.

What is quite interesting is that it hasn't happened. There is no outburst of white pride. People agree with black lives matter because for the most part, they want to move on from racism. However, they have no real understanding of the post marxist agenda of the actual organisation, which is exploiting peoples sympathy towards getting rid of racism. Thats the problem. How to break the link.

It is of course a common tactic of extremist organisations to attach themselves to, and try to parasite on, popular movements ("entryism"). The Socialist Workers Party did so in the Miner's Strike for instance, and Class War did with the poll tax riots. You got neo-Nazi groups trying to infilrate UKIP and the Conservative Party too.

That is their only tactic without significant popular support in this country, as we have an excellent voting system that ruthlessly punishes cranks and nutters, so they will never hold the balance of power in coalition governments, which is their other route to influence.

Yep. The problem is a bit deeper than that though. The 'Black Lives Matter' organisation are a small part of the problem. The bigger problem is the ideas connected to identity politics, which emphasise racial differences, and link these to outcomes and experiences. They have infiltrated all political parties, and have become deeply entrenched in our legal system. They have largely conquered universities. They are largely running unopposed through schools and businesses. This way of thinking inherently makes racial equality impossible. It purports to promote equality, but then turns everything in to a conflict about race, to which there seems to be no real answer or point other than to promote an endless power struggle between different racial groups.

It needs to be hammered intellectually (easy if opposition is not shouted down) especially in academia. Aggressive woke academics need their pathetic charlatan drivel exposed, dismantled and ridiculed.

This won't happen any time soon due to the fact that the woke have taken over most social science departments at universities, and because they have found ways to protect these theories from intellectual criticism.

Its hard to see what the answer is but unless some radical action is taken universties will become pointless because they are just being used as a way of legitimising propoganda and ideological drivel. I've already given up on going in to the academy because it will be starting from a bad place and carrying out a rear guard action from there.

If anyone is interested in this, the book Cynical Theories by James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose is a must read and explains the situation brilliantly (albeit incredibly depressing )

Ultimately I am less pessimistic. I believe it will collapse from the inside, due to its ridiculous contradictions. ie how do you simultaneously obsess about race and skin colour, yet deny that race is a biological fact, just a social construct? If you can self identify as black then you are black, etc etc, soon everyone will self identify as black the same way kids are now genderqueer. The idiocy will implode, and once these ideologies unravel it happens quickly

My fear is the damage these sinister theories will do on the way to their doom. I can easily see white America electing a more effective demagogue than Trump. I can see White Pride becoming a very real thing, pretty damn soon, across the West. The stirrings are audible

I too hope it will implode, but I think you are underestimating the tribal element and sense of belonging attached to it; the sea of hopelessness that it recruits from, and the use of technology in its propogation (and the control it exerts over technology in general). It isn't obviously imploding and its outrageous contradictions should be obvious, it should just be laughed out of existence as it would have been 20 years ago. But lots of otherwise smart people on here pronounce themselves as woke and believe it to be the reinvention of western civilisation. How do you explain that?

Decadence and ease

But that is ending. And how

Wokeness will eat its own children, like all Revolutions. We just have to hunker down, and undermine it quietly

The purity tests get ever more absurd until the whole thing collapses.

Laugh and undermine.

On which note, I have a very effective debating tactic (albeit with 14 year olds).

I say "Yes, I am absolutely privileged. And so are you. You live in one of the most desirable cities in the world, and go to one of the best schools. You have parents that love you and a roof over your head. In some parts of the US, the fact that you are white and drive a nice car will mean that people in authority, like the police, treat you differently to if you are poor and black. And that is all part of privilege.

But privilege is not just about the colour of your skin. Let me give you an example. Is it better to be a black pupil at Brentwood School in Los Angeles, or at a government school in Port Harcourt, Nigeria? Who would you say is privileged? You or them?"

I can't comment on Brentwood but Port Harcourt isn't somehere I'd willingly spend time again, albeit that applies to all of Nigeria other than Victoria Island, Lagos.

Do you think your audience really knows anything about Nigeria or the still great schools in Zimbabwe or frankly anywhere ourside their own bubble. Grandpa.

OnlyLivingBoy

Leon said:

darkage said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

darkage said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

darkage said:

FPT

NorthofStoke said:

darkage said:

Fishing said:

darkage said:

Casino_Royale said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Fuck taking the fucking knee


https://www.cmps.edu/on-having-whiteness

"On Having Whiteness


"Donald Moss will discuss whiteness as a condition one first acquires and then one has--a malignant, parasitic-like condition to which “white” people have a particular susceptibility. He describes the condition as being foundational, generating characteristic ways of being in one’s body, in one’s mind, and in one’s world: Parasitic whiteness renders its hosts’ appetites voracious, insatiable, and perverse; these deformed appetites particularly target non-white people; and, once established, these appetites are nearly impossible to eliminate"

Not sure what that has got to do with black lives matter mate

Black Lives Matter, or is it Black Lives mAttEr, I dunno, is a Marxist organisation which aims to defund the police, deconstruct the family and destroy any self-respect white people have by instilling an intrinsic guilt about racism, which can never be erased. If you deny your racism you are a racist, if you admit you are racist, get down on your knees

Fuck it. It is loathsome. White people conquered the world, and invented modernity. I will never be ashamed of this, as a white person, because I didn't do it; in the end I will take pride in it, as a race, if necessary

Because that is the end of this hideous divisiveness: White Pride. Maybe that is what they want

Well, I was with you until the end of the first paragraph.

I think some of the fanatics behind this want racial strife in the same way the old lot wanted class strife, because they thought it'd bring about The Revolution.

That (white pride) is the elephant trap that they want you to fall in to, thus proving them right all along.

What is quite interesting is that it hasn't happened. There is no outburst of white pride. People agree with black lives matter because for the most part, they want to move on from racism. However, they have no real understanding of the post marxist agenda of the actual organisation, which is exploiting peoples sympathy towards getting rid of racism. Thats the problem. How to break the link.

It is of course a common tactic of extremist organisations to attach themselves to, and try to parasite on, popular movements ("entryism"). The Socialist Workers Party did so in the Miner's Strike for instance, and Class War did with the poll tax riots. You got neo-Nazi groups trying to infilrate UKIP and the Conservative Party too.

That is their only tactic without significant popular support in this country, as we have an excellent voting system that ruthlessly punishes cranks and nutters, so they will never hold the balance of power in coalition governments, which is their other route to influence.

Yep. The problem is a bit deeper than that though. The 'Black Lives Matter' organisation are a small part of the problem. The bigger problem is the ideas connected to identity politics, which emphasise racial differences, and link these to outcomes and experiences. They have infiltrated all political parties, and have become deeply entrenched in our legal system. They have largely conquered universities. They are largely running unopposed through schools and businesses. This way of thinking inherently makes racial equality impossible. It purports to promote equality, but then turns everything in to a conflict about race, to which there seems to be no real answer or point other than to promote an endless power struggle between different racial groups.

It needs to be hammered intellectually (easy if opposition is not shouted down) especially in academia. Aggressive woke academics need their pathetic charlatan drivel exposed, dismantled and ridiculed.

This won't happen any time soon due to the fact that the woke have taken over most social science departments at universities, and because they have found ways to protect these theories from intellectual criticism.

Its hard to see what the answer is but unless some radical action is taken universties will become pointless because they are just being used as a way of legitimising propoganda and ideological drivel. I've already given up on going in to the academy because it will be starting from a bad place and carrying out a rear guard action from there.

If anyone is interested in this, the book Cynical Theories by James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose is a must read and explains the situation brilliantly (albeit incredibly depressing )

99% of people who go to universities are not remotely interested in any of this stuff

99% of people who WORK at universities ARE, or they are forced to be. That is the problem

While it isn't ideal, it's not exactly a massive deal in the grand scheme of things. I've been to university twice. Not once did any lecturer try to influence me politically. They're far too busy doing "research" to bother trying to influence undergraduates.

I think that this is a common view and I appreciate it - when I was at university it was a case of most people just turning up and doing the work, I expect it is still the same now. The problems are to do with big questions that students are generally not interested in and don't really think about, IE what is a university for, are we there to find out the truth, or are we there to pursue social justice: increasingly the answer is the latter, which has an impact on the type of research that is undertaken, and the whole thing sort of snowballs from there.

Eric Kaufmann at Birkbeck explained this quite well on triggernometry recently

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hk0TPBP_sE

Most people are there to get drunk, get laid and eventually get a job. A bit of youthful idealism on the side isn't such a bad thing, I would have thought, and it's hardly a new development. When my parents were at university in the sixties they protested against the Vietnam War. When my grandfather was at university in the thirties he was a communist. I'm sure the fogeyist culture warriors of those times were frothing about them too.

I'm sorry but I just don't agree with this. I'm not that far out of university myself and I was seriously looking at going back but decided against it. Read Lindsay and Pluckrose or watch the video with Eric Kaufmann I linked to. Look in to what happened to Bret Weinstein at Evergreen State University (if you can find a neutral source). It isn't just a repeat of 1968, the whole sector is literally destroying itself.

Yes, Wokeness is new - and unprecedented in its ferocity and virulence. You are talking to eejits who refuse to see what is front of their eyes

Evegreen was a mind-boggling glimpse of a future which is coming true

Are you still drunk from lunch?

Stark_Dawning

TheScreamingEagles said:

Honestly, this should improve the teaching at the dump.

More than 150 Oxford dons are boycotting Oriel College and refusing to teach its students in protest at its decision to keep the Cecil Rhodes statue, The Telegraph can reveal.

It is the latest incident in the culture wars engulfing British universities and comes amid a growing fallout over a decision to remove the Queen's portrait at neighbouring Magdalen College.

On Wednesday night, the higher education watchdog chief and four former education ministers hit out at the boycott, with one accusing the academics of attempting to "blackmail" Oriel.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/06/09/exclusive-150-oxford-dons-refuse-teach-rhodes-statue-row/

Breach of contract surely. But I'm guessing this is going to be one of those stories based on some dodgy circulated petition some of whose signatories are 'Michael Mouse', 'Dom Cummings' etc.

dixiedean

Leon said:

India recorded 6,138 deaths today. A melancholy global record, I think

We were assured on the previous thread that cases had fallen off a cliff there.

MattW

MarqueeMark said:

CarlottaVance said:

Murphy making a fool of himself again:

That is a cracking retort!

Jeffrey Barratt is the Lead for COVID-19 genomics at the Sanger Institute.

As we know, Murphy is a bear of little brain who loves regarding himself in the mirror.

His fallacy is the Appeal to His Own Authority.

Fishing

On topic - no need to worry, I'm sure Sir Keir is on the case and will be holding the Government to account, as is the Opposition's duty. Ministers will be quaking in their boots tonight.

SandyRentool

While most of the academics I know are in science and engineering faculties rather than the Department of Micky Mouse Studies, their main priority appears to be securing research grant funding rather than fomenting revolution.

Andy_JS

darkage said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

darkage said:

FPT

NorthofStoke said:

darkage said:

Fishing said:

darkage said:

Casino_Royale said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Fuck taking the fucking knee


https://www.cmps.edu/on-having-whiteness

"On Having Whiteness


"Donald Moss will discuss whiteness as a condition one first acquires and then one has--a malignant, parasitic-like condition to which “white” people have a particular susceptibility. He describes the condition as being foundational, generating characteristic ways of being in one’s body, in one’s mind, and in one’s world: Parasitic whiteness renders its hosts’ appetites voracious, insatiable, and perverse; these deformed appetites particularly target non-white people; and, once established, these appetites are nearly impossible to eliminate"

Not sure what that has got to do with black lives matter mate

Black Lives Matter, or is it Black Lives mAttEr, I dunno, is a Marxist organisation which aims to defund the police, deconstruct the family and destroy any self-respect white people have by instilling an intrinsic guilt about racism, which can never be erased. If you deny your racism you are a racist, if you admit you are racist, get down on your knees

Fuck it. It is loathsome. White people conquered the world, and invented modernity. I will never be ashamed of this, as a white person, because I didn't do it; in the end I will take pride in it, as a race, if necessary

Because that is the end of this hideous divisiveness: White Pride. Maybe that is what they want

Well, I was with you until the end of the first paragraph.

I think some of the fanatics behind this want racial strife in the same way the old lot wanted class strife, because they thought it'd bring about The Revolution.

That (white pride) is the elephant trap that they want you to fall in to, thus proving them right all along.

What is quite interesting is that it hasn't happened. There is no outburst of white pride. People agree with black lives matter because for the most part, they want to move on from racism. However, they have no real understanding of the post marxist agenda of the actual organisation, which is exploiting peoples sympathy towards getting rid of racism. Thats the problem. How to break the link.

It is of course a common tactic of extremist organisations to attach themselves to, and try to parasite on, popular movements ("entryism"). The Socialist Workers Party did so in the Miner's Strike for instance, and Class War did with the poll tax riots. You got neo-Nazi groups trying to infilrate UKIP and the Conservative Party too.

That is their only tactic without significant popular support in this country, as we have an excellent voting system that ruthlessly punishes cranks and nutters, so they will never hold the balance of power in coalition governments, which is their other route to influence.

Yep. The problem is a bit deeper than that though. The 'Black Lives Matter' organisation are a small part of the problem. The bigger problem is the ideas connected to identity politics, which emphasise racial differences, and link these to outcomes and experiences. They have infiltrated all political parties, and have become deeply entrenched in our legal system. They have largely conquered universities. They are largely running unopposed through schools and businesses. This way of thinking inherently makes racial equality impossible. It purports to promote equality, but then turns everything in to a conflict about race, to which there seems to be no real answer or point other than to promote an endless power struggle between different racial groups.

It needs to be hammered intellectually (easy if opposition is not shouted down) especially in academia. Aggressive woke academics need their pathetic charlatan drivel exposed, dismantled and ridiculed.

This won't happen any time soon due to the fact that the woke have taken over most social science departments at universities, and because they have found ways to protect these theories from intellectual criticism.

Its hard to see what the answer is but unless some radical action is taken universties will become pointless because they are just being used as a way of legitimising propoganda and ideological drivel. I've already given up on going in to the academy because it will be starting from a bad place and carrying out a rear guard action from there.

If anyone is interested in this, the book Cynical Theories by James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose is a must read and explains the situation brilliantly (albeit incredibly depressing )

99% of people who go to universities are not remotely interested in any of this stuff

99% of people who WORK at universities ARE, or they are forced to be. That is the problem

While it isn't ideal, it's not exactly a massive deal in the grand scheme of things. I've been to university twice. Not once did any lecturer try to influence me politically. They're far too busy doing "research" to bother trying to influence undergraduates.

I think that this is a common view and I appreciate it - when I was at university it was a case of most people just turning up and doing the work, I expect it is still the same now. The problems are to do with big questions that students are generally not interested in and don't really think about, IE what is a university for, are we there to find out the truth, or are we there to pursue social justice: increasingly the answer is the latter, which has an impact on the type of research that is undertaken, and the whole thing sort of snowballs from there.

Eric Kaufmann at Birkbeck explained this quite well on triggernometry recently

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hk0TPBP_sE

But aren't students now required to go to lectures on subjects like racism, men being intrinsically bad, etc?

Leon

OnlyLivingBoy said:

darkage said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

darkage said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

darkage said:

FPT

NorthofStoke said:

darkage said:

Fishing said:

darkage said:

Casino_Royale said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Fuck taking the fucking knee


https://www.cmps.edu/on-having-whiteness

"On Having Whiteness


"Donald Moss will discuss whiteness as a condition one first acquires and then one has--a malignant, parasitic-like condition to which “white” people have a particular susceptibility. He describes the condition as being foundational, generating characteristic ways of being in one’s body, in one’s mind, and in one’s world: Parasitic whiteness renders its hosts’ appetites voracious, insatiable, and perverse; these deformed appetites particularly target non-white people; and, once established, these appetites are nearly impossible to eliminate"

Not sure what that has got to do with black lives matter mate

Black Lives Matter, or is it Black Lives mAttEr, I dunno, is a Marxist organisation which aims to defund the police, deconstruct the family and destroy any self-respect white people have by instilling an intrinsic guilt about racism, which can never be erased. If you deny your racism you are a racist, if you admit you are racist, get down on your knees

Fuck it. It is loathsome. White people conquered the world, and invented modernity. I will never be ashamed of this, as a white person, because I didn't do it; in the end I will take pride in it, as a race, if necessary

Because that is the end of this hideous divisiveness: White Pride. Maybe that is what they want

Well, I was with you until the end of the first paragraph.

I think some of the fanatics behind this want racial strife in the same way the old lot wanted class strife, because they thought it'd bring about The Revolution.

That (white pride) is the elephant trap that they want you to fall in to, thus proving them right all along.

What is quite interesting is that it hasn't happened. There is no outburst of white pride. People agree with black lives matter because for the most part, they want to move on from racism. However, they have no real understanding of the post marxist agenda of the actual organisation, which is exploiting peoples sympathy towards getting rid of racism. Thats the problem. How to break the link.

It is of course a common tactic of extremist organisations to attach themselves to, and try to parasite on, popular movements ("entryism"). The Socialist Workers Party did so in the Miner's Strike for instance, and Class War did with the poll tax riots. You got neo-Nazi groups trying to infilrate UKIP and the Conservative Party too.

That is their only tactic without significant popular support in this country, as we have an excellent voting system that ruthlessly punishes cranks and nutters, so they will never hold the balance of power in coalition governments, which is their other route to influence.

Yep. The problem is a bit deeper than that though. The 'Black Lives Matter' organisation are a small part of the problem. The bigger problem is the ideas connected to identity politics, which emphasise racial differences, and link these to outcomes and experiences. They have infiltrated all political parties, and have become deeply entrenched in our legal system. They have largely conquered universities. They are largely running unopposed through schools and businesses. This way of thinking inherently makes racial equality impossible. It purports to promote equality, but then turns everything in to a conflict about race, to which there seems to be no real answer or point other than to promote an endless power struggle between different racial groups.

It needs to be hammered intellectually (easy if opposition is not shouted down) especially in academia. Aggressive woke academics need their pathetic charlatan drivel exposed, dismantled and ridiculed.

This won't happen any time soon due to the fact that the woke have taken over most social science departments at universities, and because they have found ways to protect these theories from intellectual criticism.

Its hard to see what the answer is but unless some radical action is taken universties will become pointless because they are just being used as a way of legitimising propoganda and ideological drivel. I've already given up on going in to the academy because it will be starting from a bad place and carrying out a rear guard action from there.

If anyone is interested in this, the book Cynical Theories by James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose is a must read and explains the situation brilliantly (albeit incredibly depressing )

99% of people who go to universities are not remotely interested in any of this stuff

99% of people who WORK at universities ARE, or they are forced to be. That is the problem

While it isn't ideal, it's not exactly a massive deal in the grand scheme of things. I've been to university twice. Not once did any lecturer try to influence me politically. They're far too busy doing "research" to bother trying to influence undergraduates.

I think that this is a common view and I appreciate it - when I was at university it was a case of most people just turning up and doing the work, I expect it is still the same now. The problems are to do with big questions that students are generally not interested in and don't really think about, IE what is a university for, are we there to find out the truth, or are we there to pursue social justice: increasingly the answer is the latter, which has an impact on the type of research that is undertaken, and the whole thing sort of snowballs from there.

Eric Kaufmann at Birkbeck explained this quite well on triggernometry recently

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hk0TPBP_sE

Most people are there to get drunk, get laid and eventually get a job. A bit of youthful idealism on the side isn't such a bad thing, I would have thought, and it's hardly a new development. When my parents were at university in the sixties they protested against the Vietnam War. When my grandfather was at university in the thirties he was a communist. I'm sure the fogeyist culture warriors of those times were frothing about them too.

I'm sorry but I just don't agree with this. I'm not that far out of university myself and I was seriously looking at going back but decided against it. Read Lindsay and Pluckrose or watch the video with Eric Kaufmann I linked to. Look in to what happened to Bret Weinstein at Evergreen State University (if you can find a neutral source). It isn't just a repeat of 1968, the whole sector is literally destroying itself.

I have never heard of Evergreen State University. Is it a former Poly?

Which is why there is no point in darkage engaging you. Because you are an ill-informed moron

SeaShantyIrish2

Leon said:

darkage said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

darkage said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

darkage said:

FPT

NorthofStoke said:

darkage said:

Fishing said:

darkage said:

Casino_Royale said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Fuck taking the fucking knee


https://www.cmps.edu/on-having-whiteness

"On Having Whiteness


"Donald Moss will discuss whiteness as a condition one first acquires and then one has--a malignant, parasitic-like condition to which “white” people have a particular susceptibility. He describes the condition as being foundational, generating characteristic ways of being in one’s body, in one’s mind, and in one’s world: Parasitic whiteness renders its hosts’ appetites voracious, insatiable, and perverse; these deformed appetites particularly target non-white people; and, once established, these appetites are nearly impossible to eliminate"

Not sure what that has got to do with black lives matter mate

Black Lives Matter, or is it Black Lives mAttEr, I dunno, is a Marxist organisation which aims to defund the police, deconstruct the family and destroy any self-respect white people have by instilling an intrinsic guilt about racism, which can never be erased. If you deny your racism you are a racist, if you admit you are racist, get down on your knees

Fuck it. It is loathsome. White people conquered the world, and invented modernity. I will never be ashamed of this, as a white person, because I didn't do it; in the end I will take pride in it, as a race, if necessary

Because that is the end of this hideous divisiveness: White Pride. Maybe that is what they want

Well, I was with you until the end of the first paragraph.

I think some of the fanatics behind this want racial strife in the same way the old lot wanted class strife, because they thought it'd bring about The Revolution.

That (white pride) is the elephant trap that they want you to fall in to, thus proving them right all along.

What is quite interesting is that it hasn't happened. There is no outburst of white pride. People agree with black lives matter because for the most part, they want to move on from racism. However, they have no real understanding of the post marxist agenda of the actual organisation, which is exploiting peoples sympathy towards getting rid of racism. Thats the problem. How to break the link.

It is of course a common tactic of extremist organisations to attach themselves to, and try to parasite on, popular movements ("entryism"). The Socialist Workers Party did so in the Miner's Strike for instance, and Class War did with the poll tax riots. You got neo-Nazi groups trying to infilrate UKIP and the Conservative Party too.

That is their only tactic without significant popular support in this country, as we have an excellent voting system that ruthlessly punishes cranks and nutters, so they will never hold the balance of power in coalition governments, which is their other route to influence.

Yep. The problem is a bit deeper than that though. The 'Black Lives Matter' organisation are a small part of the problem. The bigger problem is the ideas connected to identity politics, which emphasise racial differences, and link these to outcomes and experiences. They have infiltrated all political parties, and have become deeply entrenched in our legal system. They have largely conquered universities. They are largely running unopposed through schools and businesses. This way of thinking inherently makes racial equality impossible. It purports to promote equality, but then turns everything in to a conflict about race, to which there seems to be no real answer or point other than to promote an endless power struggle between different racial groups.

It needs to be hammered intellectually (easy if opposition is not shouted down) especially in academia. Aggressive woke academics need their pathetic charlatan drivel exposed, dismantled and ridiculed.

This won't happen any time soon due to the fact that the woke have taken over most social science departments at universities, and because they have found ways to protect these theories from intellectual criticism.

Its hard to see what the answer is but unless some radical action is taken universties will become pointless because they are just being used as a way of legitimising propoganda and ideological drivel. I've already given up on going in to the academy because it will be starting from a bad place and carrying out a rear guard action from there.

If anyone is interested in this, the book Cynical Theories by James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose is a must read and explains the situation brilliantly (albeit incredibly depressing )

99% of people who go to universities are not remotely interested in any of this stuff

99% of people who WORK at universities ARE, or they are forced to be. That is the problem

While it isn't ideal, it's not exactly a massive deal in the grand scheme of things. I've been to university twice. Not once did any lecturer try to influence me politically. They're far too busy doing "research" to bother trying to influence undergraduates.

I think that this is a common view and I appreciate it - when I was at university it was a case of most people just turning up and doing the work, I expect it is still the same now. The problems are to do with big questions that students are generally not interested in and don't really think about, IE what is a university for, are we there to find out the truth, or are we there to pursue social justice: increasingly the answer is the latter, which has an impact on the type of research that is undertaken, and the whole thing sort of snowballs from there.

Eric Kaufmann at Birkbeck explained this quite well on triggernometry recently

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hk0TPBP_sE

Most people are there to get drunk, get laid and eventually get a job. A bit of youthful idealism on the side isn't such a bad thing, I would have thought, and it's hardly a new development. When my parents were at university in the sixties they protested against the Vietnam War. When my grandfather was at university in the thirties he was a communist. I'm sure the fogeyist culture warriors of those times were frothing about them too.

I'm sorry but I just don't agree with this. I'm not that far out of university myself and I was seriously looking at going back but decided against it. Read Lindsay and Pluckrose or watch the video with Eric Kaufmann I linked to. Look in to what happened to Bret Weinstein at Evergreen State University (if you can find a neutral source). It isn't just a repeat of 1968, the whole sector is literally destroying itself.

Yes, Wokeness is new - and unprecedented in its ferocity and virulence. You are talking to eejits who refuse to see what is front of their eyes

Evegreen was a mind-boggling glimpse of a future which is coming true

Note that in the progressive, left-leaning Great State of Washington, The Evergreen State University is a standing joke. A slacker's paradise IF you are NOT seeking gainful employment after graduation.

Interestingly, have a friend who is both a Greener AND gainfully employed, at a local community college. An avid Bernie Sanders supporter, he is the one person I know who gets (almost) as upset by "wokeism" as the most rabid PBers. Why? Because as an instructor (without tenure) he is constantly having to deal with the wretched excesses of wokery on the job.

isam

Leon said:

darkage said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

darkage said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

darkage said:

FPT

NorthofStoke said:

darkage said:

Fishing said:

darkage said:

Casino_Royale said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Fuck taking the fucking knee


https://www.cmps.edu/on-having-whiteness

"On Having Whiteness


"Donald Moss will discuss whiteness as a condition one first acquires and then one has--a malignant, parasitic-like condition to which “white” people have a particular susceptibility. He describes the condition as being foundational, generating characteristic ways of being in one’s body, in one’s mind, and in one’s world: Parasitic whiteness renders its hosts’ appetites voracious, insatiable, and perverse; these deformed appetites particularly target non-white people; and, once established, these appetites are nearly impossible to eliminate"

Not sure what that has got to do with black lives matter mate

Black Lives Matter, or is it Black Lives mAttEr, I dunno, is a Marxist organisation which aims to defund the police, deconstruct the family and destroy any self-respect white people have by instilling an intrinsic guilt about racism, which can never be erased. If you deny your racism you are a racist, if you admit you are racist, get down on your knees

Fuck it. It is loathsome. White people conquered the world, and invented modernity. I will never be ashamed of this, as a white person, because I didn't do it; in the end I will take pride in it, as a race, if necessary

Because that is the end of this hideous divisiveness: White Pride. Maybe that is what they want

Well, I was with you until the end of the first paragraph.

I think some of the fanatics behind this want racial strife in the same way the old lot wanted class strife, because they thought it'd bring about The Revolution.

That (white pride) is the elephant trap that they want you to fall in to, thus proving them right all along.

What is quite interesting is that it hasn't happened. There is no outburst of white pride. People agree with black lives matter because for the most part, they want to move on from racism. However, they have no real understanding of the post marxist agenda of the actual organisation, which is exploiting peoples sympathy towards getting rid of racism. Thats the problem. How to break the link.

It is of course a common tactic of extremist organisations to attach themselves to, and try to parasite on, popular movements ("entryism"). The Socialist Workers Party did so in the Miner's Strike for instance, and Class War did with the poll tax riots. You got neo-Nazi groups trying to infilrate UKIP and the Conservative Party too.

That is their only tactic without significant popular support in this country, as we have an excellent voting system that ruthlessly punishes cranks and nutters, so they will never hold the balance of power in coalition governments, which is their other route to influence.

Yep. The problem is a bit deeper than that though. The 'Black Lives Matter' organisation are a small part of the problem. The bigger problem is the ideas connected to identity politics, which emphasise racial differences, and link these to outcomes and experiences. They have infiltrated all political parties, and have become deeply entrenched in our legal system. They have largely conquered universities. They are largely running unopposed through schools and businesses. This way of thinking inherently makes racial equality impossible. It purports to promote equality, but then turns everything in to a conflict about race, to which there seems to be no real answer or point other than to promote an endless power struggle between different racial groups.

It needs to be hammered intellectually (easy if opposition is not shouted down) especially in academia. Aggressive woke academics need their pathetic charlatan drivel exposed, dismantled and ridiculed.

This won't happen any time soon due to the fact that the woke have taken over most social science departments at universities, and because they have found ways to protect these theories from intellectual criticism.

Its hard to see what the answer is but unless some radical action is taken universties will become pointless because they are just being used as a way of legitimising propoganda and ideological drivel. I've already given up on going in to the academy because it will be starting from a bad place and carrying out a rear guard action from there.

If anyone is interested in this, the book Cynical Theories by James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose is a must read and explains the situation brilliantly (albeit incredibly depressing )

99% of people who go to universities are not remotely interested in any of this stuff

99% of people who WORK at universities ARE, or they are forced to be. That is the problem

While it isn't ideal, it's not exactly a massive deal in the grand scheme of things. I've been to university twice. Not once did any lecturer try to influence me politically. They're far too busy doing "research" to bother trying to influence undergraduates.

I think that this is a common view and I appreciate it - when I was at university it was a case of most people just turning up and doing the work, I expect it is still the same now. The problems are to do with big questions that students are generally not interested in and don't really think about, IE what is a university for, are we there to find out the truth, or are we there to pursue social justice: increasingly the answer is the latter, which has an impact on the type of research that is undertaken, and the whole thing sort of snowballs from there.

Eric Kaufmann at Birkbeck explained this quite well on triggernometry recently

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hk0TPBP_sE

Most people are there to get drunk, get laid and eventually get a job. A bit of youthful idealism on the side isn't such a bad thing, I would have thought, and it's hardly a new development. When my parents were at university in the sixties they protested against the Vietnam War. When my grandfather was at university in the thirties he was a communist. I'm sure the fogeyist culture warriors of those times were frothing about them too.

I'm sorry but I just don't agree with this. I'm not that far out of university myself and I was seriously looking at going back but decided against it. Read Lindsay and Pluckrose or watch the video with Eric Kaufmann I linked to. Look in to what happened to Bret Weinstein at Evergreen State University (if you can find a neutral source). It isn't just a repeat of 1968, the whole sector is literally destroying itself.

Yes, Wokeness is new - and unprecedented in its ferocity and virulence. You are talking to eejits who refuse to see what is front of their eyes

Evegreen was a mind-boggling glimpse of a future which is coming true

I did actually go to uni for a year when I was 35, in 2010. It was staggeringly woke, I said at the time I thought people like that only existed in Viz.

Andy_JS

OnlyLivingBoy said:

darkage said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

darkage said:

FPT

NorthofStoke said:

darkage said:

Fishing said:

darkage said:

Casino_Royale said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Fuck taking the fucking knee


https://www.cmps.edu/on-having-whiteness

"On Having Whiteness


"Donald Moss will discuss whiteness as a condition one first acquires and then one has--a malignant, parasitic-like condition to which “white” people have a particular susceptibility. He describes the condition as being foundational, generating characteristic ways of being in one’s body, in one’s mind, and in one’s world: Parasitic whiteness renders its hosts’ appetites voracious, insatiable, and perverse; these deformed appetites particularly target non-white people; and, once established, these appetites are nearly impossible to eliminate"

Not sure what that has got to do with black lives matter mate

Black Lives Matter, or is it Black Lives mAttEr, I dunno, is a Marxist organisation which aims to defund the police, deconstruct the family and destroy any self-respect white people have by instilling an intrinsic guilt about racism, which can never be erased. If you deny your racism you are a racist, if you admit you are racist, get down on your knees

Fuck it. It is loathsome. White people conquered the world, and invented modernity. I will never be ashamed of this, as a white person, because I didn't do it; in the end I will take pride in it, as a race, if necessary

Because that is the end of this hideous divisiveness: White Pride. Maybe that is what they want

Well, I was with you until the end of the first paragraph.

I think some of the fanatics behind this want racial strife in the same way the old lot wanted class strife, because they thought it'd bring about The Revolution.

That (white pride) is the elephant trap that they want you to fall in to, thus proving them right all along.

What is quite interesting is that it hasn't happened. There is no outburst of white pride. People agree with black lives matter because for the most part, they want to move on from racism. However, they have no real understanding of the post marxist agenda of the actual organisation, which is exploiting peoples sympathy towards getting rid of racism. Thats the problem. How to break the link.

It is of course a common tactic of extremist organisations to attach themselves to, and try to parasite on, popular movements ("entryism"). The Socialist Workers Party did so in the Miner's Strike for instance, and Class War did with the poll tax riots. You got neo-Nazi groups trying to infilrate UKIP and the Conservative Party too.

That is their only tactic without significant popular support in this country, as we have an excellent voting system that ruthlessly punishes cranks and nutters, so they will never hold the balance of power in coalition governments, which is their other route to influence.

Yep. The problem is a bit deeper than that though. The 'Black Lives Matter' organisation are a small part of the problem. The bigger problem is the ideas connected to identity politics, which emphasise racial differences, and link these to outcomes and experiences. They have infiltrated all political parties, and have become deeply entrenched in our legal system. They have largely conquered universities. They are largely running unopposed through schools and businesses. This way of thinking inherently makes racial equality impossible. It purports to promote equality, but then turns everything in to a conflict about race, to which there seems to be no real answer or point other than to promote an endless power struggle between different racial groups.

It needs to be hammered intellectually (easy if opposition is not shouted down) especially in academia. Aggressive woke academics need their pathetic charlatan drivel exposed, dismantled and ridiculed.

This won't happen any time soon due to the fact that the woke have taken over most social science departments at universities, and because they have found ways to protect these theories from intellectual criticism.

Its hard to see what the answer is but unless some radical action is taken universties will become pointless because they are just being used as a way of legitimising propoganda and ideological drivel. I've already given up on going in to the academy because it will be starting from a bad place and carrying out a rear guard action from there.

If anyone is interested in this, the book Cynical Theories by James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose is a must read and explains the situation brilliantly (albeit incredibly depressing )

99% of people who go to universities are not remotely interested in any of this stuff

99% of people who WORK at universities ARE, or they are forced to be. That is the problem

While it isn't ideal, it's not exactly a massive deal in the grand scheme of things. I've been to university twice. Not once did any lecturer try to influence me politically. They're far too busy doing "research" to bother trying to influence undergraduates.

I think that this is a common view and I appreciate it - when I was at university it was a case of most people just turning up and doing the work, I expect it is still the same now. The problems are to do with big questions that students are generally not interested in and don't really think about, IE what is a university for, are we there to find out the truth, or are we there to pursue social justice: increasingly the answer is the latter, which has an impact on the type of research that is undertaken, and the whole thing sort of snowballs from there.

Eric Kaufmann at Birkbeck explained this quite well on triggernometry recently

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hk0TPBP_sE

Most people are there to get drunk, get laid and eventually get a job. A bit of youthful idealism on the side isn't such a bad thing, I would have thought, and it's hardly a new development. When my parents were at university in the sixties they protested against the Vietnam War. When my grandfather was at university in the thirties he was a communist. I'm sure the fogeyist culture warriors of those times were frothing about them too.

Protesting against the Vietnam War was a sensible thing to do. Accusing white people of being intrinsically racist isn't.

squareroot2

I think this is a longwinded anti Tory whinge.. noone gave a shit when Labour were gerrymandering and pork barrelling post 97 because the Govt was popular and the Tories were not. Noone gave a shoit when Brown announced two ships that were strategically useless and we couldn't fly our own.planes off them.

Eventually Labour became unpopular after 13 yrs in.power and were booted out despite Labour doing what Cyclefree is highlighting now. Pork barrel politics only works to a certain extent.

TheScreamingEagles

Jesus wept.

Exclusive: Gareth Southgate could start four full-backs in Euro 2021 opener with Luke Shaw at centre-back

The England manager would likely deploy Shaw in that role if he switches to three at the back, though nothing has been decided yet.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/euro-2021/2021/06/09/exclusive-gareth-southgate-could-start-four-full-backs-euro/

Andy_JS

O/T

"New Zealand captain Kane Williamson will miss the second and final Test against England at Edgbaston to rest his troublesome left elbow.

The 30-year-old missed the Black Caps' one-day series against Bangladesh in March with the same issue.
Opening batsman Tom Latham will captain the tourists in Williamson's absence."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/57416287

TheScreamingEagles

Philip_Thompson said:

isam said:

Matthew Syed write a great article about the cricket witchsmellers

“ “I once laughed at a joke in Fawlty Towers, a programme which, I am now given to understand, is considered xenophobic. Am I still eligible to play for the England over-50s at ping pong?””

https://twitter.com/timessport/status/1402622955092328448?s=21

From what I've seen of the Tweets, unless there's any I've missed, they were juvenile jokes by teenage boys not racist or sexist rants to offend people.

After a joke someone made here, I relistened to the album Hooray for Boobies by the Bloodhound Gang that I had as a teenager. Not listened to it in forever, I'd forgotten how crude most of the songs were, most with lyrics far worse than anything I'd seen from Robinson.

There's a world of difference between being racist today to insult people and having made tasteless jokes years ago. Or even tasteless jokes today.

Tasteless jokes are awesome, I love telling them.

Gallowgate

SandyRentool said:

While most of the academics I know are in science and engineering faculties rather than the Department of Micky Mouse Studies, their main priority appears to be securing research grant funding rather than fomenting revolution.

Don’t worry @Leon knows best because he has read some tweets.

Alistair

Because is we we are having one of those evenings.

https://twitter.com/KevinReuning/status/1401166962575749123?s=19

https://twitter.com/EyesOnTheRight/status/1402716943468093442?s=19

Philip_Thompson

Leon said:

darkage said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

darkage said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

darkage said:

FPT

NorthofStoke said:

darkage said:

Fishing said:

darkage said:

Casino_Royale said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Fuck taking the fucking knee


https://www.cmps.edu/on-having-whiteness

"On Having Whiteness


"Donald Moss will discuss whiteness as a condition one first acquires and then one has--a malignant, parasitic-like condition to which “white” people have a particular susceptibility. He describes the condition as being foundational, generating characteristic ways of being in one’s body, in one’s mind, and in one’s world: Parasitic whiteness renders its hosts’ appetites voracious, insatiable, and perverse; these deformed appetites particularly target non-white people; and, once established, these appetites are nearly impossible to eliminate"

Not sure what that has got to do with black lives matter mate

Black Lives Matter, or is it Black Lives mAttEr, I dunno, is a Marxist organisation which aims to defund the police, deconstruct the family and destroy any self-respect white people have by instilling an intrinsic guilt about racism, which can never be erased. If you deny your racism you are a racist, if you admit you are racist, get down on your knees

Fuck it. It is loathsome. White people conquered the world, and invented modernity. I will never be ashamed of this, as a white person, because I didn't do it; in the end I will take pride in it, as a race, if necessary

Because that is the end of this hideous divisiveness: White Pride. Maybe that is what they want

Well, I was with you until the end of the first paragraph.

I think some of the fanatics behind this want racial strife in the same way the old lot wanted class strife, because they thought it'd bring about The Revolution.

That (white pride) is the elephant trap that they want you to fall in to, thus proving them right all along.

What is quite interesting is that it hasn't happened. There is no outburst of white pride. People agree with black lives matter because for the most part, they want to move on from racism. However, they have no real understanding of the post marxist agenda of the actual organisation, which is exploiting peoples sympathy towards getting rid of racism. Thats the problem. How to break the link.

It is of course a common tactic of extremist organisations to attach themselves to, and try to parasite on, popular movements ("entryism"). The Socialist Workers Party did so in the Miner's Strike for instance, and Class War did with the poll tax riots. You got neo-Nazi groups trying to infilrate UKIP and the Conservative Party too.

That is their only tactic without significant popular support in this country, as we have an excellent voting system that ruthlessly punishes cranks and nutters, so they will never hold the balance of power in coalition governments, which is their other route to influence.

Yep. The problem is a bit deeper than that though. The 'Black Lives Matter' organisation are a small part of the problem. The bigger problem is the ideas connected to identity politics, which emphasise racial differences, and link these to outcomes and experiences. They have infiltrated all political parties, and have become deeply entrenched in our legal system. They have largely conquered universities. They are largely running unopposed through schools and businesses. This way of thinking inherently makes racial equality impossible. It purports to promote equality, but then turns everything in to a conflict about race, to which there seems to be no real answer or point other than to promote an endless power struggle between different racial groups.

It needs to be hammered intellectually (easy if opposition is not shouted down) especially in academia. Aggressive woke academics need their pathetic charlatan drivel exposed, dismantled and ridiculed.

This won't happen any time soon due to the fact that the woke have taken over most social science departments at universities, and because they have found ways to protect these theories from intellectual criticism.

Its hard to see what the answer is but unless some radical action is taken universties will become pointless because they are just being used as a way of legitimising propoganda and ideological drivel. I've already given up on going in to the academy because it will be starting from a bad place and carrying out a rear guard action from there.

If anyone is interested in this, the book Cynical Theories by James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose is a must read and explains the situation brilliantly (albeit incredibly depressing )

99% of people who go to universities are not remotely interested in any of this stuff

99% of people who WORK at universities ARE, or they are forced to be. That is the problem

While it isn't ideal, it's not exactly a massive deal in the grand scheme of things. I've been to university twice. Not once did any lecturer try to influence me politically. They're far too busy doing "research" to bother trying to influence undergraduates.

I think that this is a common view and I appreciate it - when I was at university it was a case of most people just turning up and doing the work, I expect it is still the same now. The problems are to do with big questions that students are generally not interested in and don't really think about, IE what is a university for, are we there to find out the truth, or are we there to pursue social justice: increasingly the answer is the latter, which has an impact on the type of research that is undertaken, and the whole thing sort of snowballs from there.

Eric Kaufmann at Birkbeck explained this quite well on triggernometry recently

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hk0TPBP_sE

Most people are there to get drunk, get laid and eventually get a job. A bit of youthful idealism on the side isn't such a bad thing, I would have thought, and it's hardly a new development. When my parents were at university in the sixties they protested against the Vietnam War. When my grandfather was at university in the thirties he was a communist. I'm sure the fogeyist culture warriors of those times were frothing about them too.

I'm sorry but I just don't agree with this. I'm not that far out of university myself and I was seriously looking at going back but decided against it. Read Lindsay and Pluckrose or watch the video with Eric Kaufmann I linked to. Look in to what happened to Bret Weinstein at Evergreen State University (if you can find a neutral source). It isn't just a repeat of 1968, the whole sector is literally destroying itself.

Yes, Wokeness is new - and unprecedented in its ferocity and virulence. You are talking to eejits who refuse to see what is front of their eyes

Evegreen was a mind-boggling glimpse of a future which is coming true

Every generation says that grandpa.

Leon

Philip_Thompson said:

Leon said:

darkage said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

darkage said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

darkage said:

FPT

NorthofStoke said:

darkage said:

Fishing said:

darkage said:

Casino_Royale said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Fuck taking the fucking knee


https://www.cmps.edu/on-having-whiteness

"On Having Whiteness


"Donald Moss will discuss whiteness as a condition one first acquires and then one has--a malignant, parasitic-like condition to which “white” people have a particular susceptibility. He describes the condition as being foundational, generating characteristic ways of being in one’s body, in one’s mind, and in one’s world: Parasitic whiteness renders its hosts’ appetites voracious, insatiable, and perverse; these deformed appetites particularly target non-white people; and, once established, these appetites are nearly impossible to eliminate"

Not sure what that has got to do with black lives matter mate

Black Lives Matter, or is it Black Lives mAttEr, I dunno, is a Marxist organisation which aims to defund the police, deconstruct the family and destroy any self-respect white people have by instilling an intrinsic guilt about racism, which can never be erased. If you deny your racism you are a racist, if you admit you are racist, get down on your knees

Fuck it. It is loathsome. White people conquered the world, and invented modernity. I will never be ashamed of this, as a white person, because I didn't do it; in the end I will take pride in it, as a race, if necessary

Because that is the end of this hideous divisiveness: White Pride. Maybe that is what they want

Well, I was with you until the end of the first paragraph.

I think some of the fanatics behind this want racial strife in the same way the old lot wanted class strife, because they thought it'd bring about The Revolution.

That (white pride) is the elephant trap that they want you to fall in to, thus proving them right all along.

What is quite interesting is that it hasn't happened. There is no outburst of white pride. People agree with black lives matter because for the most part, they want to move on from racism. However, they have no real understanding of the post marxist agenda of the actual organisation, which is exploiting peoples sympathy towards getting rid of racism. Thats the problem. How to break the link.

It is of course a common tactic of extremist organisations to attach themselves to, and try to parasite on, popular movements ("entryism"). The Socialist Workers Party did so in the Miner's Strike for instance, and Class War did with the poll tax riots. You got neo-Nazi groups trying to infilrate UKIP and the Conservative Party too.

That is their only tactic without significant popular support in this country, as we have an excellent voting system that ruthlessly punishes cranks and nutters, so they will never hold the balance of power in coalition governments, which is their other route to influence.

Yep. The problem is a bit deeper than that though. The 'Black Lives Matter' organisation are a small part of the problem. The bigger problem is the ideas connected to identity politics, which emphasise racial differences, and link these to outcomes and experiences. They have infiltrated all political parties, and have become deeply entrenched in our legal system. They have largely conquered universities. They are largely running unopposed through schools and businesses. This way of thinking inherently makes racial equality impossible. It purports to promote equality, but then turns everything in to a conflict about race, to which there seems to be no real answer or point other than to promote an endless power struggle between different racial groups.

It needs to be hammered intellectually (easy if opposition is not shouted down) especially in academia. Aggressive woke academics need their pathetic charlatan drivel exposed, dismantled and ridiculed.

This won't happen any time soon due to the fact that the woke have taken over most social science departments at universities, and because they have found ways to protect these theories from intellectual criticism.

Its hard to see what the answer is but unless some radical action is taken universties will become pointless because they are just being used as a way of legitimising propoganda and ideological drivel. I've already given up on going in to the academy because it will be starting from a bad place and carrying out a rear guard action from there.

If anyone is interested in this, the book Cynical Theories by James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose is a must read and explains the situation brilliantly (albeit incredibly depressing )

99% of people who go to universities are not remotely interested in any of this stuff

99% of people who WORK at universities ARE, or they are forced to be. That is the problem

While it isn't ideal, it's not exactly a massive deal in the grand scheme of things. I've been to university twice. Not once did any lecturer try to influence me politically. They're far too busy doing "research" to bother trying to influence undergraduates.

I think that this is a common view and I appreciate it - when I was at university it was a case of most people just turning up and doing the work, I expect it is still the same now. The problems are to do with big questions that students are generally not interested in and don't really think about, IE what is a university for, are we there to find out the truth, or are we there to pursue social justice: increasingly the answer is the latter, which has an impact on the type of research that is undertaken, and the whole thing sort of snowballs from there.

Eric Kaufmann at Birkbeck explained this quite well on triggernometry recently

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hk0TPBP_sE

Most people are there to get drunk, get laid and eventually get a job. A bit of youthful idealism on the side isn't such a bad thing, I would have thought, and it's hardly a new development. When my parents were at university in the sixties they protested against the Vietnam War. When my grandfather was at university in the thirties he was a communist. I'm sure the fogeyist culture warriors of those times were frothing about them too.

I'm sorry but I just don't agree with this. I'm not that far out of university myself and I was seriously looking at going back but decided against it. Read Lindsay and Pluckrose or watch the video with Eric Kaufmann I linked to. Look in to what happened to Bret Weinstein at Evergreen State University (if you can find a neutral source). It isn't just a repeat of 1968, the whole sector is literally destroying itself.

Yes, Wokeness is new - and unprecedented in its ferocity and virulence. You are talking to eejits who refuse to see what is front of their eyes

Evegreen was a mind-boggling glimpse of a future which is coming true

Every generation says that grandpa.

OK, Karen

SeaShantyIrish2

darkage said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

darkage said:

FPT

NorthofStoke said:

darkage said:

Fishing said:

darkage said:

Casino_Royale said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Fuck taking the fucking knee


https://www.cmps.edu/on-having-whiteness

"On Having Whiteness


"Donald Moss will discuss whiteness as a condition one first acquires and then one has--a malignant, parasitic-like condition to which “white” people have a particular susceptibility. He describes the condition as being foundational, generating characteristic ways of being in one’s body, in one’s mind, and in one’s world: Parasitic whiteness renders its hosts’ appetites voracious, insatiable, and perverse; these deformed appetites particularly target non-white people; and, once established, these appetites are nearly impossible to eliminate"

Not sure what that has got to do with black lives matter mate

Black Lives Matter, or is it Black Lives mAttEr, I dunno, is a Marxist organisation which aims to defund the police, deconstruct the family and destroy any self-respect white people have by instilling an intrinsic guilt about racism, which can never be erased. If you deny your racism you are a racist, if you admit you are racist, get down on your knees

Fuck it. It is loathsome. White people conquered the world, and invented modernity. I will never be ashamed of this, as a white person, because I didn't do it; in the end I will take pride in it, as a race, if necessary

Because that is the end of this hideous divisiveness: White Pride. Maybe that is what they want

Well, I was with you until the end of the first paragraph.

I think some of the fanatics behind this want racial strife in the same way the old lot wanted class strife, because they thought it'd bring about The Revolution.

That (white pride) is the elephant trap that they want you to fall in to, thus proving them right all along.

What is quite interesting is that it hasn't happened. There is no outburst of white pride. People agree with black lives matter because for the most part, they want to move on from racism. However, they have no real understanding of the post marxist agenda of the actual organisation, which is exploiting peoples sympathy towards getting rid of racism. Thats the problem. How to break the link.

It is of course a common tactic of extremist organisations to attach themselves to, and try to parasite on, popular movements ("entryism"). The Socialist Workers Party did so in the Miner's Strike for instance, and Class War did with the poll tax riots. You got neo-Nazi groups trying to infilrate UKIP and the Conservative Party too.

That is their only tactic without significant popular support in this country, as we have an excellent voting system that ruthlessly punishes cranks and nutters, so they will never hold the balance of power in coalition governments, which is their other route to influence.

Yep. The problem is a bit deeper than that though. The 'Black Lives Matter' organisation are a small part of the problem. The bigger problem is the ideas connected to identity politics, which emphasise racial differences, and link these to outcomes and experiences. They have infiltrated all political parties, and have become deeply entrenched in our legal system. They have largely conquered universities. They are largely running unopposed through schools and businesses. This way of thinking inherently makes racial equality impossible. It purports to promote equality, but then turns everything in to a conflict about race, to which there seems to be no real answer or point other than to promote an endless power struggle between different racial groups.

It needs to be hammered intellectually (easy if opposition is not shouted down) especially in academia. Aggressive woke academics need their pathetic charlatan drivel exposed, dismantled and ridiculed.

This won't happen any time soon due to the fact that the woke have taken over most social science departments at universities, and because they have found ways to protect these theories from intellectual criticism.

Its hard to see what the answer is but unless some radical action is taken universties will become pointless because they are just being used as a way of legitimising propoganda and ideological drivel. I've already given up on going in to the academy because it will be starting from a bad place and carrying out a rear guard action from there.

If anyone is interested in this, the book Cynical Theories by James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose is a must read and explains the situation brilliantly (albeit incredibly depressing )

99% of people who go to universities are not remotely interested in any of this stuff

99% of people who WORK at universities ARE, or they are forced to be. That is the problem

While it isn't ideal, it's not exactly a massive deal in the grand scheme of things. I've been to university twice. Not once did any lecturer try to influence me politically. They're far too busy doing "research" to bother trying to influence undergraduates.

I think that this is a common view and I appreciate it - when I was at university it was a case of most people just turning up and doing the work, I expect it is still the same now. The problems are to do with big questions that students are generally not interested in and don't really think about, IE what is a university for, are we there to find out the truth, or are we there to pursue social justice: increasingly the answer is the latter, which has an impact on the type of research that is undertaken, and the whole thing sort of snowballs from there.

Eric Kaufmann at Birkbeck explained this quite well on triggernometry recently

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hk0TPBP_sE

"Triggernometry" is the title of a classic book on Western US gunfighters. Sounds like some serious cultural appropriation and/or plagiarism going on?!?!

kle4

SandyRentool said:

While most of the academics I know are in science and engineering faculties rather than the Department of Micky Mouse Studies, their main priority appears to be securing research grant funding rather than fomenting revolution.

Revolutionaries are always the noisiest in anything. And usually a minority to boot, which is part of why they are so fiery.

isam

TheScreamingEagles said:

Jesus wept.

Exclusive: Gareth Southgate could start four full-backs in Euro 2021 opener with Luke Shaw at centre-back

The England manager would likely deploy Shaw in that role if he switches to three at the back, though nothing has been decided yet.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/euro-2021/2021/06/09/exclusive-gareth-southgate-could-start-four-full-backs-euro/

I like the idea of full backs as two of the centre backs in a 3-5-2, but it should mean at least one of the wing backs is a genuine winger, like Hudson-Odoi is for Chelsea

Saka for England could play that role

Alistair

Once again, The History Man was released 45 years ago.

Forty
Five
Years
Ago.

Leon

Alistair said:

Once again, The History Man was released 45 years ago.

Forty
Five
Years
Ago.

This is so utterly tedious. We are in a very different era. YAWN

SeaShantyIrish2

Demagogenverfolgung!

Philip_Thompson

dixiedean said:

Leon said:

India recorded 6,138 deaths today. A melancholy global record, I think

We were assured on the previous thread that cases had fallen off a cliff there.

They have, and 7-day average of deaths is down a third off the peak too.

Philip_Thompson

Leon said:

Alistair said:

Once again, The History Man was released 45 years ago.

Forty
Five
Years
Ago.

This is so utterly tedious. We are in a very different era. YAWN

You are.

Then you were young, now you're old.

OnlyLivingBoy

Leon said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

darkage said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

darkage said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

darkage said:

FPT

NorthofStoke said:

darkage said:

Fishing said:

darkage said:

Casino_Royale said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Fuck taking the fucking knee


https://www.cmps.edu/on-having-whiteness

"On Having Whiteness


"Donald Moss will discuss whiteness as a condition one first acquires and then one has--a malignant, parasitic-like condition to which “white” people have a particular susceptibility. He describes the condition as being foundational, generating characteristic ways of being in one’s body, in one’s mind, and in one’s world: Parasitic whiteness renders its hosts’ appetites voracious, insatiable, and perverse; these deformed appetites particularly target non-white people; and, once established, these appetites are nearly impossible to eliminate"

Not sure what that has got to do with black lives matter mate

Black Lives Matter, or is it Black Lives mAttEr, I dunno, is a Marxist organisation which aims to defund the police, deconstruct the family and destroy any self-respect white people have by instilling an intrinsic guilt about racism, which can never be erased. If you deny your racism you are a racist, if you admit you are racist, get down on your knees

Fuck it. It is loathsome. White people conquered the world, and invented modernity. I will never be ashamed of this, as a white person, because I didn't do it; in the end I will take pride in it, as a race, if necessary

Because that is the end of this hideous divisiveness: White Pride. Maybe that is what they want

Well, I was with you until the end of the first paragraph.

I think some of the fanatics behind this want racial strife in the same way the old lot wanted class strife, because they thought it'd bring about The Revolution.

That (white pride) is the elephant trap that they want you to fall in to, thus proving them right all along.

What is quite interesting is that it hasn't happened. There is no outburst of white pride. People agree with black lives matter because for the most part, they want to move on from racism. However, they have no real understanding of the post marxist agenda of the actual organisation, which is exploiting peoples sympathy towards getting rid of racism. Thats the problem. How to break the link.

It is of course a common tactic of extremist organisations to attach themselves to, and try to parasite on, popular movements ("entryism"). The Socialist Workers Party did so in the Miner's Strike for instance, and Class War did with the poll tax riots. You got neo-Nazi groups trying to infilrate UKIP and the Conservative Party too.

That is their only tactic without significant popular support in this country, as we have an excellent voting system that ruthlessly punishes cranks and nutters, so they will never hold the balance of power in coalition governments, which is their other route to influence.

Yep. The problem is a bit deeper than that though. The 'Black Lives Matter' organisation are a small part of the problem. The bigger problem is the ideas connected to identity politics, which emphasise racial differences, and link these to outcomes and experiences. They have infiltrated all political parties, and have become deeply entrenched in our legal system. They have largely conquered universities. They are largely running unopposed through schools and businesses. This way of thinking inherently makes racial equality impossible. It purports to promote equality, but then turns everything in to a conflict about race, to which there seems to be no real answer or point other than to promote an endless power struggle between different racial groups.

It needs to be hammered intellectually (easy if opposition is not shouted down) especially in academia. Aggressive woke academics need their pathetic charlatan drivel exposed, dismantled and ridiculed.

This won't happen any time soon due to the fact that the woke have taken over most social science departments at universities, and because they have found ways to protect these theories from intellectual criticism.

Its hard to see what the answer is but unless some radical action is taken universties will become pointless because they are just being used as a way of legitimising propoganda and ideological drivel. I've already given up on going in to the academy because it will be starting from a bad place and carrying out a rear guard action from there.

If anyone is interested in this, the book Cynical Theories by James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose is a must read and explains the situation brilliantly (albeit incredibly depressing )

99% of people who go to universities are not remotely interested in any of this stuff

99% of people who WORK at universities ARE, or they are forced to be. That is the problem

While it isn't ideal, it's not exactly a massive deal in the grand scheme of things. I've been to university twice. Not once did any lecturer try to influence me politically. They're far too busy doing "research" to bother trying to influence undergraduates.

I think that this is a common view and I appreciate it - when I was at university it was a case of most people just turning up and doing the work, I expect it is still the same now. The problems are to do with big questions that students are generally not interested in and don't really think about, IE what is a university for, are we there to find out the truth, or are we there to pursue social justice: increasingly the answer is the latter, which has an impact on the type of research that is undertaken, and the whole thing sort of snowballs from there.

Eric Kaufmann at Birkbeck explained this quite well on triggernometry recently

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hk0TPBP_sE

Most people are there to get drunk, get laid and eventually get a job. A bit of youthful idealism on the side isn't such a bad thing, I would have thought, and it's hardly a new development. When my parents were at university in the sixties they protested against the Vietnam War. When my grandfather was at university in the thirties he was a communist. I'm sure the fogeyist culture warriors of those times were frothing about them too.

I'm sorry but I just don't agree with this. I'm not that far out of university myself and I was seriously looking at going back but decided against it. Read Lindsay and Pluckrose or watch the video with Eric Kaufmann I linked to. Look in to what happened to Bret Weinstein at Evergreen State University (if you can find a neutral source). It isn't just a repeat of 1968, the whole sector is literally destroying itself.

I have never heard of Evergreen State University. Is it a former Poly?

Which is why there is no point in darkage engaging you. Because you are an ill-informed moron

Says the man who pretends to make dildos for a living.

TheScreamingEagles

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

darkage said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

darkage said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

darkage said:

FPT

NorthofStoke said:

darkage said:

Fishing said:

darkage said:

Casino_Royale said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Fuck taking the fucking knee


https://www.cmps.edu/on-having-whiteness

"On Having Whiteness


"Donald Moss will discuss whiteness as a condition one first acquires and then one has--a malignant, parasitic-like condition to which “white” people have a particular susceptibility. He describes the condition as being foundational, generating characteristic ways of being in one’s body, in one’s mind, and in one’s world: Parasitic whiteness renders its hosts’ appetites voracious, insatiable, and perverse; these deformed appetites particularly target non-white people; and, once established, these appetites are nearly impossible to eliminate"

Not sure what that has got to do with black lives matter mate

Black Lives Matter, or is it Black Lives mAttEr, I dunno, is a Marxist organisation which aims to defund the police, deconstruct the family and destroy any self-respect white people have by instilling an intrinsic guilt about racism, which can never be erased. If you deny your racism you are a racist, if you admit you are racist, get down on your knees

Fuck it. It is loathsome. White people conquered the world, and invented modernity. I will never be ashamed of this, as a white person, because I didn't do it; in the end I will take pride in it, as a race, if necessary

Because that is the end of this hideous divisiveness: White Pride. Maybe that is what they want

Well, I was with you until the end of the first paragraph.

I think some of the fanatics behind this want racial strife in the same way the old lot wanted class strife, because they thought it'd bring about The Revolution.

That (white pride) is the elephant trap that they want you to fall in to, thus proving them right all along.

What is quite interesting is that it hasn't happened. There is no outburst of white pride. People agree with black lives matter because for the most part, they want to move on from racism. However, they have no real understanding of the post marxist agenda of the actual organisation, which is exploiting peoples sympathy towards getting rid of racism. Thats the problem. How to break the link.

It is of course a common tactic of extremist organisations to attach themselves to, and try to parasite on, popular movements ("entryism"). The Socialist Workers Party did so in the Miner's Strike for instance, and Class War did with the poll tax riots. You got neo-Nazi groups trying to infilrate UKIP and the Conservative Party too.

That is their only tactic without significant popular support in this country, as we have an excellent voting system that ruthlessly punishes cranks and nutters, so they will never hold the balance of power in coalition governments, which is their other route to influence.

Yep. The problem is a bit deeper than that though. The 'Black Lives Matter' organisation are a small part of the problem. The bigger problem is the ideas connected to identity politics, which emphasise racial differences, and link these to outcomes and experiences. They have infiltrated all political parties, and have become deeply entrenched in our legal system. They have largely conquered universities. They are largely running unopposed through schools and businesses. This way of thinking inherently makes racial equality impossible. It purports to promote equality, but then turns everything in to a conflict about race, to which there seems to be no real answer or point other than to promote an endless power struggle between different racial groups.

It needs to be hammered intellectually (easy if opposition is not shouted down) especially in academia. Aggressive woke academics need their pathetic charlatan drivel exposed, dismantled and ridiculed.

This won't happen any time soon due to the fact that the woke have taken over most social science departments at universities, and because they have found ways to protect these theories from intellectual criticism.

Its hard to see what the answer is but unless some radical action is taken universties will become pointless because they are just being used as a way of legitimising propoganda and ideological drivel. I've already given up on going in to the academy because it will be starting from a bad place and carrying out a rear guard action from there.

If anyone is interested in this, the book Cynical Theories by James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose is a must read and explains the situation brilliantly (albeit incredibly depressing )

99% of people who go to universities are not remotely interested in any of this stuff

99% of people who WORK at universities ARE, or they are forced to be. That is the problem

While it isn't ideal, it's not exactly a massive deal in the grand scheme of things. I've been to university twice. Not once did any lecturer try to influence me politically. They're far too busy doing "research" to bother trying to influence undergraduates.

I think that this is a common view and I appreciate it - when I was at university it was a case of most people just turning up and doing the work, I expect it is still the same now. The problems are to do with big questions that students are generally not interested in and don't really think about, IE what is a university for, are we there to find out the truth, or are we there to pursue social justice: increasingly the answer is the latter, which has an impact on the type of research that is undertaken, and the whole thing sort of snowballs from there.

Eric Kaufmann at Birkbeck explained this quite well on triggernometry recently

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hk0TPBP_sE

Most people are there to get drunk, get laid and eventually get a job. A bit of youthful idealism on the side isn't such a bad thing, I would have thought, and it's hardly a new development. When my parents were at university in the sixties they protested against the Vietnam War. When my grandfather was at university in the thirties he was a communist. I'm sure the fogeyist culture warriors of those times were frothing about them too.

I'm sorry but I just don't agree with this. I'm not that far out of university myself and I was seriously looking at going back but decided against it. Read Lindsay and Pluckrose or watch the video with Eric Kaufmann I linked to. Look in to what happened to Bret Weinstein at Evergreen State University (if you can find a neutral source). It isn't just a repeat of 1968, the whole sector is literally destroying itself.

I have never heard of Evergreen State University. Is it a former Poly?

Which is why there is no point in darkage engaging you. Because you are an ill-informed moron

Says the man who pretends to make dildos for a living.

Why do people make dildos?

I mean anything can be a dildo if you're brave enough.

Leon

Good Grief.

Fauci Loses It


'“A lot of what you’re seeing as attacks on me, quite frankly, are attacks on science.”

“So if you are trying to get at me as a public health official and a scientist, you’re really attacking not only Dr. Anthony Fauci. You are attacking science.”

This is incredible.'

Mate, you funded Gain Of Function Research in Wuhan. Sorry if that is awkward. Look at his body language



https://twitter.com/bergerbell/status/1402700447715008512?s=20

Foxy

TheScreamingEagles said:

Jesus wept.

Exclusive: Gareth Southgate could start four full-backs in Euro 2021 opener with Luke Shaw at centre-back

The England manager would likely deploy Shaw in that role if he switches to three at the back, though nothing has been decided yet.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/euro-2021/2021/06/09/exclusive-gareth-southgate-could-start-four-full-backs-euro/

England can never resist taking crocked players to major tournaments, and always tries to shoehorn "stars" with incompatible playing styles in too.

That we made it as far as we did in 2018 was a surprise.

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Alistair said:

Because is we we are having one of those evenings.

https://twitter.com/KevinReuning/status/1401166962575749123?s=19

https://twitter.com/EyesOnTheRight/status/1402716943468093442?s=19

Interesting that the US and UK hard right are so in lockstep now. The institutional linkages and flows of money are well known of course. But they seem to be getting issued with the same talking points too.

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Fuck taking the fucking knee


https://www.cmps.edu/on-having-whiteness

"On Having Whiteness


"Donald Moss will discuss whiteness as a condition one first acquires and then one has--a malignant, parasitic-like condition to which “white” people have a particular susceptibility. He describes the condition as being foundational, generating characteristic ways of being in one’s body, in one’s mind, and in one’s world: Parasitic whiteness renders its hosts’ appetites voracious, insatiable, and perverse; these deformed appetites particularly target non-white people; and, once established, these appetites are nearly impossible to eliminate"

Not sure what that has got to do with black lives matter mate

Black Lives Matter, or is it Black Lives mAttEr, I dunno, is a Marxist organisation which aims to defund the police, deconstruct the family and destroy any self-respect white people have by instilling an intrinsic guilt about racism, which can never be erased. If you deny your racism you are a racist, if you admit you are racist, get down on your knees

Fuck it. It is loathsome. White people conquered the world, and invented modernity. I will never be ashamed of this, as a white person, because I didn't do it; in the end I will take pride in it, as a race, if necessary

Because that is the end of this hideous divisiveness: White Pride. Maybe that is what they want

Well, I was with you until the end of the first paragraph.

I think some of the fanatics behind this want racial strife in the same way the old lot wanted class strife, because they thought it'd bring about The Revolution.

That (white pride) is the elephant trap that they want you to fall in to, thus proving them right all along.

What is quite interesting is that it hasn't happened. There is no outburst of white pride. People agree with black lives matter because for the most part, they want to move on from racism. However, they have no real understanding of the post marxist agenda of the actual organisation, which is exploiting peoples sympathy towards getting rid of racism. Thats the problem. How to break the link.

It is of course a common tactic of extremist organisations to attach themselves to, and try to parasite on, popular movements ("entryism"). The Socialist Workers Party did so in the Miner's Strike for instance, and Class War did with the poll tax riots. You got neo-Nazi groups trying to infilrate UKIP and the Conservative Party too.

That is their only tactic without significant popular support in this country, as we have an excellent voting system that ruthlessly punishes cranks and nutters, so they will never hold the balance of power in coalition governments, which is their other route to influence.

Yep. The problem is a bit deeper than that though. The 'Black Lives Matter' organisation are a small part of the problem. The bigger problem is the ideas connected to identity politics, which emphasise racial differences, and link these to outcomes and experiences. They have infiltrated all political parties, and have become deeply entrenched in our legal system. They have largely conquered universities. They are largely running unopposed through schools and businesses. This way of thinking inherently makes racial equality impossible. It purports to promote equality, but then turns everything in to a conflict about race, to which there seems to be no real answer or point other than to promote an endless power struggle between different racial groups.

It needs to be hammered intellectually (easy if opposition is not shouted down) especially in academia. Aggressive woke academics need their pathetic charlatan drivel exposed, dismantled and ridiculed.

This won't happen any time soon due to the fact that the woke have taken over most social science departments at universities, and because they have found ways to protect these theories from intellectual criticism.

Its hard to see what the answer is but unless some radical action is taken universties will become pointless because they are just being used as a way of legitimising propoganda and ideological drivel. I've already given up on going in to the academy because it will be starting from a bad place and carrying out a rear guard action from there.

If anyone is interested in this, the book Cynical Theories by James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose is a must read and explains the situation brilliantly (albeit incredibly depressing )

Ultimately I am less pessimistic. I believe it will collapse from the inside, due to its ridiculous contradictions. ie how do you simultaneously obsess about race and skin colour, yet deny that race is a biological fact, just a social construct? If you can self identify as black then you are black, etc etc, soon everyone will self identify as black the same way kids are now genderqueer. The idiocy will implode, and once these ideologies unravel it happens quickly

My fear is the damage these sinister theories will do on the way to their doom. I can easily see white America electing a more effective demagogue than Trump. I can see White Pride becoming a very real thing, pretty damn soon, across the West. The stirrings are audible

I too hope it will implode, but I think you are underestimating the tribal element and sense of belonging attached to it; the sea of hopelessness that it recruits from, and the use of technology in its propogation (and the control it exerts over technology in general). It isn't obviously imploding and its outrageous contradictions should be obvious, it should just be laughed out of existence as it would have been 20 years ago. But lots of otherwise smart people on here pronounce themselves as woke and believe it to be the reinvention of western civilisation. How do you explain that?

Decadence and ease

But that is ending. And how

Wokeness will eat its own children, like all Revolutions. We just have to hunker down, and undermine it quietly

But privilege is not just about the colour of your skin. Let me give you an example. Is it better to be a black pupil at Brentwood School in Los Angeles, or at a government school in Port Harcourt, Nigeria? Who would you say is privileged? You or them?"

The South African government made a similar argument viz a viz the rest of the continent in the 80s, it wasn't very persuasive for obvious reasons even if it was probably true for most people in spite of apartheid.