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  • AnExileinD4AnExileinD4 Posts: 337
    TOPPING said:

    Very stupidly, Waitrose have decided to cease publishing “the Good Food Guide”, which has come out annually for 70 years.

    (Waitrose have owned the brand for 7 years).

    It is/was essentially the only decent guide to eating in this country, at least outside of London.

    Tripadvisor works fine for me when escaping the snooty, sneering cesspit of vice and wokery.
    Tripadvisor is not very useful. You want to go somewhere, it has 99 5-star reviews and you are put off by the one 1-star review (or at least I am).
    Tripadvisor is a strange mix of “everything is awesome” and “everything is awful”. Which reflects, I guess, only people with strong opinions bother to do anything (as politics where only the loud are heard). It’s effectively useless as a sensible review base.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,012

    TOPPING said:

    ping said:

    TOPPING said:

    Hola this is not an experimental vaccine it's been thoroughly tested over the past three months pop pickers, here's an interesting thing make of it what you will.

    Just been out today for an extremely agreeable lunch in town, place was packed not a facemask in sight. Then, as penance, I went to see my aged aunt who a) has been double jabbed; b) has tinnitus; and c) sits glued to the phone in radio shows all day.

    She was complaining that since the jabs her tinnitus was much worse. Further, she assured me that the radio phone-ins were full of people saying the same thing. Since the jab their tinnitus had worsened.

    A bit of google fu revealed that the NHS says it is a very low occurring side effect and phrased the enquiry "worsened tinnitus and developed tinnitus". But these of course are two different things. People who already have tinnitus are different in their physiology or whatever it is that causes it, to those who don't have it.

    So..what if the vaccine actually does exacerbate tinnitus.

    Was that on the tin?

    I mean in the round it's probably better for my aunt to have worse tinnitus and the jabs, if that's the reason, than be exposed to the virus.

    But it is a potential side effect from this super safe, thoroughly tested vaccine that no one foresaw.

    Fancy.

    Tinnitus is an odd phenomenon. It’s so subjective.
    From what I understand from my aunt it is a "ringing" in the ears of some kind. But yes it seems to have no definitive form.

    Unless you think it is psychosomatic?
    The Kim Wilde song 'Water On Glass' is about Tinnitus.
    Interesting.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,692

    TOPPING said:

    ping said:

    TOPPING said:

    Hola this is not an experimental vaccine it's been thoroughly tested over the past three months pop pickers, here's an interesting thing make of it what you will.

    Just been out today for an extremely agreeable lunch in town, place was packed not a facemask in sight. Then, as penance, I went to see my aged aunt who a) has been double jabbed; b) has tinnitus; and c) sits glued to the phone in radio shows all day.

    She was complaining that since the jabs her tinnitus was much worse. Further, she assured me that the radio phone-ins were full of people saying the same thing. Since the jab their tinnitus had worsened.

    A bit of google fu revealed that the NHS says it is a very low occurring side effect and phrased the enquiry "worsened tinnitus and developed tinnitus". But these of course are two different things. People who already have tinnitus are different in their physiology or whatever it is that causes it, to those who don't have it.

    So..what if the vaccine actually does exacerbate tinnitus.

    Was that on the tin?

    I mean in the round it's probably better for my aunt to have worse tinnitus and the jabs, if that's the reason, than be exposed to the virus.

    But it is a potential side effect from this super safe, thoroughly tested vaccine that no one foresaw.

    Fancy.

    Tinnitus is an odd phenomenon. It’s so subjective.
    From what I understand from my aunt it is a "ringing" in the ears of some kind. But yes it seems to have no definitive form.

    Unless you think it is psychosomatic?
    The Kim Wilde song 'Water On Glass' is about Tinnitus.
    Is it? I didn't know that. Been a fan of the song for ages.
  • AnExileinD4AnExileinD4 Posts: 337

    TOPPING said:

    ping said:

    TOPPING said:

    Hola this is not an experimental vaccine it's been thoroughly tested over the past three months pop pickers, here's an interesting thing make of it what you will.

    Just been out today for an extremely agreeable lunch in town, place was packed not a facemask in sight. Then, as penance, I went to see my aged aunt who a) has been double jabbed; b) has tinnitus; and c) sits glued to the phone in radio shows all day.

    She was complaining that since the jabs her tinnitus was much worse. Further, she assured me that the radio phone-ins were full of people saying the same thing. Since the jab their tinnitus had worsened.

    A bit of google fu revealed that the NHS says it is a very low occurring side effect and phrased the enquiry "worsened tinnitus and developed tinnitus". But these of course are two different things. People who already have tinnitus are different in their physiology or whatever it is that causes it, to those who don't have it.

    So..what if the vaccine actually does exacerbate tinnitus.

    Was that on the tin?

    I mean in the round it's probably better for my aunt to have worse tinnitus and the jabs, if that's the reason, than be exposed to the virus.

    But it is a potential side effect from this super safe, thoroughly tested vaccine that no one foresaw.

    Fancy.

    Tinnitus is an odd phenomenon. It’s so subjective.
    From what I understand from my aunt it is a "ringing" in the ears of some kind. But yes it seems to have no definitive form.

    Unless you think it is psychosomatic?
    The Kim Wilde song 'Water On Glass' is about Tinnitus.
    Kim Wilde has songs other than “Kids in America”. Who knew.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,012

    TOPPING said:

    ping said:

    TOPPING said:

    Hola this is not an experimental vaccine it's been thoroughly tested over the past three months pop pickers, here's an interesting thing make of it what you will.

    Just been out today for an extremely agreeable lunch in town, place was packed not a facemask in sight. Then, as penance, I went to see my aged aunt who a) has been double jabbed; b) has tinnitus; and c) sits glued to the phone in radio shows all day.

    She was complaining that since the jabs her tinnitus was much worse. Further, she assured me that the radio phone-ins were full of people saying the same thing. Since the jab their tinnitus had worsened.

    A bit of google fu revealed that the NHS says it is a very low occurring side effect and phrased the enquiry "worsened tinnitus and developed tinnitus". But these of course are two different things. People who already have tinnitus are different in their physiology or whatever it is that causes it, to those who don't have it.

    So..what if the vaccine actually does exacerbate tinnitus.

    Was that on the tin?

    I mean in the round it's probably better for my aunt to have worse tinnitus and the jabs, if that's the reason, than be exposed to the virus.

    But it is a potential side effect from this super safe, thoroughly tested vaccine that no one foresaw.

    Fancy.

    Tinnitus is an odd phenomenon. It’s so subjective.
    From what I understand from my aunt it is a "ringing" in the ears of some kind. But yes it seems to have no definitive form.

    Unless you think it is psychosomatic?
    The Kim Wilde song 'Water On Glass' is about Tinnitus.
    Kim Wilde has songs other than “Kids in America”. Who knew.
    LOL absolutely. I was about to ask what "Kids in America" was about but...
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,554
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    ping said:

    TOPPING said:

    Hola this is not an experimental vaccine it's been thoroughly tested over the past three months pop pickers, here's an interesting thing make of it what you will.

    Just been out today for an extremely agreeable lunch in town, place was packed not a facemask in sight. Then, as penance, I went to see my aged aunt who a) has been double jabbed; b) has tinnitus; and c) sits glued to the phone in radio shows all day.

    She was complaining that since the jabs her tinnitus was much worse. Further, she assured me that the radio phone-ins were full of people saying the same thing. Since the jab their tinnitus had worsened.

    A bit of google fu revealed that the NHS says it is a very low occurring side effect and phrased the enquiry "worsened tinnitus and developed tinnitus". But these of course are two different things. People who already have tinnitus are different in their physiology or whatever it is that causes it, to those who don't have it.

    So..what if the vaccine actually does exacerbate tinnitus.

    Was that on the tin?

    I mean in the round it's probably better for my aunt to have worse tinnitus and the jabs, if that's the reason, than be exposed to the virus.

    But it is a potential side effect from this super safe, thoroughly tested vaccine that no one foresaw.

    Fancy.

    Tinnitus is an odd phenomenon. It’s so subjective.
    From what I understand from my aunt it is a "ringing" in the ears of some kind. But yes it seems to have no definitive form.

    Unless you think it is psychosomatic?
    The Kim Wilde song 'Water On Glass' is about Tinnitus.
    Interesting.
    Good for a pub quiz. :lol:
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,012

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    ping said:

    TOPPING said:

    Hola this is not an experimental vaccine it's been thoroughly tested over the past three months pop pickers, here's an interesting thing make of it what you will.

    Just been out today for an extremely agreeable lunch in town, place was packed not a facemask in sight. Then, as penance, I went to see my aged aunt who a) has been double jabbed; b) has tinnitus; and c) sits glued to the phone in radio shows all day.

    She was complaining that since the jabs her tinnitus was much worse. Further, she assured me that the radio phone-ins were full of people saying the same thing. Since the jab their tinnitus had worsened.

    A bit of google fu revealed that the NHS says it is a very low occurring side effect and phrased the enquiry "worsened tinnitus and developed tinnitus". But these of course are two different things. People who already have tinnitus are different in their physiology or whatever it is that causes it, to those who don't have it.

    So..what if the vaccine actually does exacerbate tinnitus.

    Was that on the tin?

    I mean in the round it's probably better for my aunt to have worse tinnitus and the jabs, if that's the reason, than be exposed to the virus.

    But it is a potential side effect from this super safe, thoroughly tested vaccine that no one foresaw.

    Fancy.

    Tinnitus is an odd phenomenon. It’s so subjective.
    From what I understand from my aunt it is a "ringing" in the ears of some kind. But yes it seems to have no definitive form.

    Unless you think it is psychosomatic?
    The Kim Wilde song 'Water On Glass' is about Tinnitus.
    Interesting.
    Good for a pub quiz. :lol:
    I'll file it along with the capital of Chad.

    (N'Djamena).
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,554

    TOPPING said:

    ping said:

    TOPPING said:

    Hola this is not an experimental vaccine it's been thoroughly tested over the past three months pop pickers, here's an interesting thing make of it what you will.

    Just been out today for an extremely agreeable lunch in town, place was packed not a facemask in sight. Then, as penance, I went to see my aged aunt who a) has been double jabbed; b) has tinnitus; and c) sits glued to the phone in radio shows all day.

    She was complaining that since the jabs her tinnitus was much worse. Further, she assured me that the radio phone-ins were full of people saying the same thing. Since the jab their tinnitus had worsened.

    A bit of google fu revealed that the NHS says it is a very low occurring side effect and phrased the enquiry "worsened tinnitus and developed tinnitus". But these of course are two different things. People who already have tinnitus are different in their physiology or whatever it is that causes it, to those who don't have it.

    So..what if the vaccine actually does exacerbate tinnitus.

    Was that on the tin?

    I mean in the round it's probably better for my aunt to have worse tinnitus and the jabs, if that's the reason, than be exposed to the virus.

    But it is a potential side effect from this super safe, thoroughly tested vaccine that no one foresaw.

    Fancy.

    Tinnitus is an odd phenomenon. It’s so subjective.
    From what I understand from my aunt it is a "ringing" in the ears of some kind. But yes it seems to have no definitive form.

    Unless you think it is psychosomatic?
    The Kim Wilde song 'Water On Glass' is about Tinnitus.
    Kim Wilde has songs other than “Kids in America”. Who knew.
    Not her biggest hit surprisingly, biggest hit was a cover of The Supremes' You Keep Me Hanging On.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,950
    TOPPING said:

    Very stupidly, Waitrose have decided to cease publishing “the Good Food Guide”, which has come out annually for 70 years.

    (Waitrose have owned the brand for 7 years).

    It is/was essentially the only decent guide to eating in this country, at least outside of London.

    Tripadvisor works fine for me when escaping the snooty, sneering cesspit of vice and wokery.
    Tripadvisor is not very useful. You want to go somewhere, it has 99 5-star reviews and you are put off by the one 1-star review (or at least I am).
    But reading the negative reviews is how you find out what the potential problems might be. There are too many fake positive reviews to take much account of the actual scoring.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,012
    IanB2 said:

    TOPPING said:

    Very stupidly, Waitrose have decided to cease publishing “the Good Food Guide”, which has come out annually for 70 years.

    (Waitrose have owned the brand for 7 years).

    It is/was essentially the only decent guide to eating in this country, at least outside of London.

    Tripadvisor works fine for me when escaping the snooty, sneering cesspit of vice and wokery.
    Tripadvisor is not very useful. You want to go somewhere, it has 99 5-star reviews and you are put off by the one 1-star review (or at least I am).
    But reading the negative reviews is how you find out what the potential problems might be. There are too many fake positive reviews to take much account of the actual scoring.
    Well as @AnExileinD4 has noted, the variables in intention are so great that it renders it not so useful.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,927
    rcs1000 said:


    In business, I'm always super sceptical of people who claim to have the answers. What I want are people who say "I don't know, but I know what we can do to find out". Because the biggest fault - whether in politics, investing or business - in an unwillingness to respond quickly to new information. We seek out that which confirms our beliefs (a trait that is extremely common on pb!), yet that attitude is one that leads almost inexorably to failure.

    I don't think technocratic is the word I would use: because technocrats tend to tend to existing bureaucracies, rather than to experiment and tinker.

    It is - however - an evidence led approach to policy making.

    I'm not wholly convinced politicians are as inflexible as you state. I'd argue the pandemic has redefined this Government in ways it simply could not have foreseen (and would have done the same to a Corbyn Government).

    It's more about the re-definition of belief than the confirmation. Technological advancement has redefined conservatism, socialism and liberalism (and others) - the reach of the State now, compared with pre 1914, is immeasurably greater yet the perception is people have never been more "free". That of course measures freedom in economic terms which works to a point in a capitalist economic model but other definitions of freedom which don't rely on the purely economic, might suggest we are less free.

    I've no argument with an evidence based approach to policy making but you need to start with what it is you are trying to achieve. If in education policy the aim is for all children to be able to read, write and spell to a particular level by age eleven, that's a measurable objective.

    Sometimes, however, the evidence based policy might not be achievable. What about drugs? Would there be public support for taxation and legalisation if the "evidence based policy" showed that to be the "best" approach or would the public continue to want certain addictive drugs to be illegal and if that were the case, how would that be achieved without either prohibitive costs in law and order or the possibility of increased violence?

    There come points in public policy making where you have to tell the public the policy "they" want doesn't work and the policy they oppose does. That's the job of the politician - to argue the case and persuade the public of the better course of action. Populists won't do that and that's why in some areas progress is very slow.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    IanB2 said:

    TOPPING said:

    Very stupidly, Waitrose have decided to cease publishing “the Good Food Guide”, which has come out annually for 70 years.

    (Waitrose have owned the brand for 7 years).

    It is/was essentially the only decent guide to eating in this country, at least outside of London.

    Tripadvisor works fine for me when escaping the snooty, sneering cesspit of vice and wokery.
    Tripadvisor is not very useful. You want to go somewhere, it has 99 5-star reviews and you are put off by the one 1-star review (or at least I am).
    But reading the negative reviews is how you find out what the potential problems might be. There are too many fake positive reviews to take much account of the actual scoring.
    TripAdvisor is trash.
    It is the “Daily Mail Comments” of travel review.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,554
    IanB2 said:

    TOPPING said:

    Very stupidly, Waitrose have decided to cease publishing “the Good Food Guide”, which has come out annually for 70 years.

    (Waitrose have owned the brand for 7 years).

    It is/was essentially the only decent guide to eating in this country, at least outside of London.

    Tripadvisor works fine for me when escaping the snooty, sneering cesspit of vice and wokery.
    Tripadvisor is not very useful. You want to go somewhere, it has 99 5-star reviews and you are put off by the one 1-star review (or at least I am).
    But reading the negative reviews is how you find out what the potential problems might be. There are too many fake positive reviews to take much account of the actual scoring.
    It's also pretty easy to tell when a negative reviewer was just being a cock. 1-dot reviews saying 'Disgraceful that we couldn't get a table - they were 'full' apparently!!' can be safely discounted.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,950
    gealbhan said:

    carnforth said:


    The leftists like me are wryly amused to see chunks of Corbynism being implemented with nary a squeak from the Tory media who said it'd mean the end of civilisation.

    Temporarily implemented because of the pandemic, or permanently like Corbyn wanted? Because those are opposite things, aren't they? And we expect opposite things in extraordinary circumstances, because extra-ordinary and ordinary are opposites.
    Are you expecting Great British Railways to be privatised soon?
    Boris is an enthusiastic franchising-hater - probably the best thing he ever did as mayor was effectively renationalising the woeful West Anglia line to TfL.

    Franchising is dead, thankfully. It was an embarrassment and a disgrace.
    British Rail was a disaster because it was constantly broke, the social market economy was gasping on its last breath for private investment. Why would any private investment come in anywhere with no control and no return?

    You are easily the most reactionary poster on PB.
    For a brief period in the 1980s I was in charge of the Post Office’s operations at Liverpool St station. I used to enjoy our quarterly meetings with BR’s management team - about such business as the on-platform punch ups that had taken place between postmen and platform staff and guards - because we came away feeling incredibly professional by comparison.

    The instant powdered tea they served us in plastic cups was always utterly disgusting.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,869
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    EU visitors complaining that the rules apply to them just like everyone else visiting Britain:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/27/eu-tourists-condemn-uk-border-officials-humiliating-treatment
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,950

    TOPPING said:

    Very stupidly, Waitrose have decided to cease publishing “the Good Food Guide”, which has come out annually for 70 years.

    (Waitrose have owned the brand for 7 years).

    It is/was essentially the only decent guide to eating in this country, at least outside of London.

    Tripadvisor works fine for me when escaping the snooty, sneering cesspit of vice and wokery.
    Tripadvisor is not very useful. You want to go somewhere, it has 99 5-star reviews and you are put off by the one 1-star review (or at least I am).
    Tripadvisor is a strange mix of “everything is awesome” and “everything is awful”. Which reflects, I guess, only people with strong opinions bother to do anything (as politics where only the loud are heard). It’s effectively useless as a sensible review base.
    Not at all.

    Ignore all the positive reviews.

    Ignore any negative reviews by Americans.

    The rest is real value.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,692
    "With the pace of modern life, we can hardly afford not to live to 150
    With our fast-paced lives, who can possibly hope to cram everything into a measly 80 or 90 years?
    JEMIMA LEWIS" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/05/27/might-soon-live-150-good-thing/
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    TOPPING said:

    Hola this is not an experimental vaccine it's been thoroughly tested over the past three months pop pickers, here's an interesting thing make of it what you will.

    Just been out today for an extremely agreeable lunch in town, place was packed not a facemask in sight. Then, as penance, I went to see my aged aunt who a) has been double jabbed; b) has tinnitus; and c) sits glued to the phone in radio shows all day.

    She was complaining that since the jabs her tinnitus was much worse. Further, she assured me that the radio phone-ins were full of people saying the same thing. Since the jab their tinnitus had worsened.

    A bit of google fu revealed that the NHS says it is a very low occurring side effect and phrased the enquiry "worsened tinnitus and developed tinnitus". But these of course are two different things. People who already have tinnitus are different in their physiology or whatever it is that causes it, to those who don't have it.

    So..what if the vaccine actually does exacerbate tinnitus.

    Was that on the tin?

    I mean in the round it's probably better for my aunt to have worse tinnitus and the jabs, if that's the reason, than be exposed to the virus.

    But it is a potential side effect from this super safe, thoroughly tested vaccine that no one foresaw.

    Fancy.

    IF I wrote this I would get dogs' abuse.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,554

    IanB2 said:

    TOPPING said:

    Very stupidly, Waitrose have decided to cease publishing “the Good Food Guide”, which has come out annually for 70 years.

    (Waitrose have owned the brand for 7 years).

    It is/was essentially the only decent guide to eating in this country, at least outside of London.

    Tripadvisor works fine for me when escaping the snooty, sneering cesspit of vice and wokery.
    Tripadvisor is not very useful. You want to go somewhere, it has 99 5-star reviews and you are put off by the one 1-star review (or at least I am).
    But reading the negative reviews is how you find out what the potential problems might be. There are too many fake positive reviews to take much account of the actual scoring.
    TripAdvisor is trash.
    It is the “Daily Mail Comments” of travel review.
    I don't think I could agree less! A balance of TA reviews gives a massively more accurate picture than a glowing review by Sean T or similar who was possibly not incognito and whose every whim was therefore catered to, and is from two years ago. I'm not saying that professional travel journalism isn't worthwhile, enjoyable, and an art form (I love Tanya Gold's restaurant reviews in the Spectator) but it's not a good indication of where to eat or stay in the way that TA, despite its faults, is.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,209
    TOPPING said:

    Very stupidly, Waitrose have decided to cease publishing “the Good Food Guide”, which has come out annually for 70 years.

    (Waitrose have owned the brand for 7 years).

    It is/was essentially the only decent guide to eating in this country, at least outside of London.

    Tripadvisor works fine for me when escaping the snooty, sneering cesspit of vice and wokery.
    Tripadvisor is not very useful. You want to go somewhere, it has 99 5-star reviews and you are put off by the one 1-star review (or at least I am).
    You need to read the reviews, not be guided by the start ratings and filter out judgements about things that aren't important to you. Fluffy pillows seem to feature big in the 5 star reviews - not something that I have sought out. Places that are a bit creaky, but interesting on the other hand get downrated. You would end up always staying in the Premier Inn, which is fine I suppose, but you don't need to consult TripAdvisor for that.

    Also the number of restaurant reviews that don't mention the food...
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    A question for PB Brains Trust please.

    Someone I know has come to me for advice following getting a letter inviting them in for a for a sickness/absence meeting. New manager who has just has sent one to pretty much everyone in the company it seems, for absences under the old manager before they were even hired. This is done on a "Bradford Factor" threshold.

    The letter includes an absence record for the past 12 months including: an isolation for Covid symptoms pending a negative test, an authorised absence for a death in the family, an authorised absence for a funeral following that death, and a 7 work day absence following a Covid positive test result. These details, including that its authorised absence for a funeral, are included in the absence record accompanying the letter. Had the Covid absences not been included, or the death and funeral absence, then there are next-to-no absences and the Bradford Factor score would be nowhere close to the threshold. By my maths they've counted the death and authorised absence for a funeral as two separate instances of absence too.

    I doubt the manager has even looked at their specific record and its just been computer automated, which is not good management in my eyes - but is it legal to discipline people for being off following a Covid positive test? Or an authorised absence for a funeral? Certainly doesn't seem reasonable to me.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,267
    edited May 2021
    Following yesterday's fascinating seven hour full on attack on Boris, Hancock and others by Cummings I would make the following observations

    While it is amusing to see all those who condemned Cummings last year now fully supportive of him, I do think there were quite a few things that he highlighted that will resonate, not least Boris resistance to lockdown and possibly Hancock's comments on nursing homes may gain some traction though I am not joining the chorus to see him sacked, as I think right now he is the right person in the job

    Listening to both today, Hancock was nervous but did ok at the despatch box, indeed impressing Adam Boulton no less, but I do think they are fighting to retain the momentum and there could be a negative poll effect in the coming days

    Of course that may be mitigated by the state of labour at present and the lack of respect in the public generally for Cummings

    I am very much a RIshi supporter and to be honest if it all became too much for Boris, I would be content to see a change in the leadership and PM

    I also agree with those who say the Margaret Thatcher would not have approved of Boris.

    She was in a different league altogether and would have handled this pandemic in a much more scientific and professional way that is just not in the gift of Boris
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,267

    EU visitors complaining that the rules apply to them just like everyone else visiting Britain:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/27/eu-tourists-condemn-uk-border-officials-humiliating-treatment

    It does seem that it is taking so time to realise we are an Independent Country
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,554
    All the major takeaway types now covered.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,950

    A question for PB Brains Trust please.

    Someone I know has come to me for advice following getting a letter inviting them in for a for a sickness/absence meeting. New manager who has just has sent one to pretty much everyone in the company it seems, for absences under the old manager before they were even hired. This is done on a "Bradford Factor" threshold.

    The letter includes an absence record for the past 12 months including: an isolation for Covid symptoms pending a negative test, an authorised absence for a death in the family, an authorised absence for a funeral following that death, and a 7 work day absence following a Covid positive test result. These details, including that its authorised absence for a funeral, are included in the absence record accompanying the letter. Had the Covid absences not been included, or the death and funeral absence, then there are next-to-no absences and the Bradford Factor score would be nowhere close to the threshold. By my maths they've counted the death and authorised absence for a funeral as two separate instances of absence too.

    I doubt the manager has even looked at their specific record and its just been computer automated, which is not good management in my eyes - but is it legal to discipline people for being off following a Covid positive test? Or an authorised absence for a funeral? Certainly doesn't seem reasonable to me.

    You probably don’t need to offer much more than reassurance. No employer is going to get that far trying to use Covid-specific absences against their employees.

    Worst case, the employer needs to downsize and will end up reducing its workforce through redundancy. Trying to lever people out for cheaper reasons in advance is unlikely to wash.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,267

    Hancock trying to blame the lack of testing capacity in March for the fact that he didnt put a protective ring round care homes as he had previously falsely claimed (lied)

    Let's see the Cabinet minutes.

    Seems to me that Cummings claims he came away from Cabinet in March sure that Hancock had said that care home incoming residents would be tested on their way in from hospital.

    And not what Hancock claims, that he said all incoming residents would be tested when the tests become available
    And he did not attend Cabinet apparently
    Really? I guess he read the minutes though.
    He did seem very uninterested and dismissive of cabinet, so I am not certain he would have bothered

    This is Cummings after all !!!!!!!!!
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298

    EU visitors complaining that the rules apply to them just like everyone else visiting Britain:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/27/eu-tourists-condemn-uk-border-officials-humiliating-treatment

    It does seem that it is taking so time to realise we are an Independent Country
    Those silly foreigners!
    They don’t like it up ‘em.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,950
    edited May 2021

    Following yesterday's fascinating seven hour full on attack on Boris, Hancock and others by Cummings I would make the following observations

    While it is amusing to see all those who condemned Cummings last year now fully supportive of him

    No less amusing to see those who condemned Boris for so long now fully supportive of him.....
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited May 2021
    @TOPPING

    On tinnitus - IANAE but I know from personal experience that hearing aids help. Very little else provides any proven benefit. There’s clearly a psychosomatic aspect to it - ENT docs prescribe CBT for the worst cases, which is indicative.

    I think it tends to be harder for people who start experiencing tinnitus in later life. I’ve lived with mine all my life and it doesn’t really bother me. If I let it drive me mad, it would. So I don’t dwell on it.

    I’m sure others on this board have experience, too.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    edited May 2021

    IanB2 said:

    TOPPING said:

    Very stupidly, Waitrose have decided to cease publishing “the Good Food Guide”, which has come out annually for 70 years.

    (Waitrose have owned the brand for 7 years).

    It is/was essentially the only decent guide to eating in this country, at least outside of London.

    Tripadvisor works fine for me when escaping the snooty, sneering cesspit of vice and wokery.
    Tripadvisor is not very useful. You want to go somewhere, it has 99 5-star reviews and you are put off by the one 1-star review (or at least I am).
    But reading the negative reviews is how you find out what the potential problems might be. There are too many fake positive reviews to take much account of the actual scoring.
    TripAdvisor is trash.
    It is the “Daily Mail Comments” of travel review.
    I don't think I could agree less! A balance of TA reviews gives a massively more accurate picture than a glowing review by Sean T or similar who was possibly not incognito and whose every whim was therefore catered to, and is from two years ago. I'm not saying that professional travel journalism isn't worthwhile, enjoyable, and an art form (I love Tanya Gold's restaurant reviews in the Spectator) but it's not a good indication of where to eat or stay in the way that TA, despite its faults, is.
    I am comparing it with the Good Food Guide which never let me down over many years of eating in places like Ludlow, Lanarkshire or Leicester.

    Agree that food journalism is something else altogether.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,885

    Following yesterday's fascinating seven hour full on attack on Boris, Hancock and others by Cummings I would make the following observations

    While it is amusing to see all those who condemned Cummings last year now fully supportive of him, I do think there were quite a few things that he highlighted that will resonate, not least Boris resistance to lockdown and possibly Hancock's comments on nursing homes may gain some traction though I am not joining the chorus to see him sacked, as I think right now he is the right person in the job

    Listening to both today, Hancock was nervous but did ok at the despatch box, indeed impressing Adam Boulton no less, but I do think they are fighting to retain the momentum and there could be a negative poll effect in the coming days

    Of course that may be mitigated by the state of labour at present and the lack of respect in the public generally for Cummings

    I am very much a RIshi supporter and to be honest if it all became too much for Boris, I would be content to see a change in the leadership and PM

    I also agree with those who say the Margaret Thatcher would not have approved of Boris.

    She was in a different league altogether and would have handled this pandemic in a much more scientific and professional way that is just not in the gift of Boris

    Definite yes to your last paragraph. Whatever her faults she would have put the hours in, done the detail, ran the committees properly and indeed even turn up to them.

    The contrast with Johnson is stark to say the least.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,950

    TOPPING said:

    Hola this is not an experimental vaccine it's been thoroughly tested over the past three months pop pickers, here's an interesting thing make of it what you will.

    Just been out today for an extremely agreeable lunch in town, place was packed not a facemask in sight. Then, as penance, I went to see my aged aunt who a) has been double jabbed; b) has tinnitus; and c) sits glued to the phone in radio shows all day.

    She was complaining that since the jabs her tinnitus was much worse. Further, she assured me that the radio phone-ins were full of people saying the same thing. Since the jab their tinnitus had worsened.

    A bit of google fu revealed that the NHS says it is a very low occurring side effect and phrased the enquiry "worsened tinnitus and developed tinnitus". But these of course are two different things. People who already have tinnitus are different in their physiology or whatever it is that causes it, to those who don't have it.

    So..what if the vaccine actually does exacerbate tinnitus.

    Was that on the tin?

    I mean in the round it's probably better for my aunt to have worse tinnitus and the jabs, if that's the reason, than be exposed to the virus.

    But it is a potential side effect from this super safe, thoroughly tested vaccine that no one foresaw.

    Fancy.

    IF I wrote this I would get dogs' abuse.
    You wouldn’t need to write as much as all that ;)
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Fishing said:

    carnforth said:


    The leftists like me are wryly amused to see chunks of Corbynism being implemented with nary a squeak from the Tory media who said it'd mean the end of civilisation.

    Temporarily implemented because of the pandemic, or permanently like Corbyn wanted? Because those are opposite things, aren't they? And we expect opposite things in extraordinary circumstances, because extra-ordinary and ordinary are opposites.
    The idea that the Tories have implemented Corbynism is really boring and total rubbish.
    Yes it needs disproving once and for all. From the BBC, these are the 12 key pledges in Corbyn's 2019 manifesto.

    1. Increase health budget by 4.3% - Yes
    2. Hold a second referendum on Brexit - No
    3. Raise minimum wage from £8.21 to £10 - No
    4. Stop state pension age rises - No
    5. Introduce a National Care Service - No
    6. Bring forward net-zero target - No
    7. Nationalise water, rail, mail - No
    8. Scrap Universal Credit - No
    9. Abolish private schools' charitable status - No
    10. Free bus travel for under-25s - No
    11. Give EU nationals the right to remain - No
    12. Build 100,000 council homes a year - No

    Is that a wholesale embrace of Corbynism? I make that one out of twelve. They also haven't stolen 10% of the equity of listed companies or put workers' representatives on boards, as Corbyn pledged to do.
    So far: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50524262

    1. Increase the number of nurses by 50,000 - On track to be met.
    2. Leave the EU in January - Yes
    3. No income tax, VAT or NI rises - Yes
    4. Pensions will rise at least 2.5% each year - Yes (so far, I hope this is scrapped)
    5. No one will sell their home to pay for care - No, not yet.
    6. Reach net zero by 2050 - On track to be met
    7. Spend £6.3bn on 2.2 million disadvantaged home - No idea.
    8. Introduce a points-based immigration system - Yes.
    9. Continue the roll out of universal credit - Yes.
    10. Create 250,000 extra childcare places - No idea.
    11. Freeze tuition fees - Yes
    12. A new Manchester to Leeds rail line - On track to be met (de dum tish)
    13. Launch a democracy commission - No, not yet, I think.

    I make that 6 Yes, 3 On Track, 2 not yet at least, and 2 I have no clue about.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,718

    All the major takeaway types now covered.
    We definitely have enough for a World Cup of Covid Variants semi-final line up now.

    UK (Kent) variant
    Indian variant
    South African variant
    Thai variant.

    Any more for any more?
  • gealbhangealbhan Posts: 2,362
    TOPPING said:

    gealbhan said:

    FF43 said:

    dixiedean said:

    There's a perception amongst its opponents that this Government is ideological and very right-wing.

    In fact, the reason it's polling so well is that it's positioned itself slap-bang in the centre of where public opinion is across the country at large.

    That's not the same as the chatterati, but it doesn't make it untrue.

    Excellent post. Very true.

    It’s the most leftwing Tory government since the 1970s, and possibly before.

    I keep repeating this to my chattering class friends!
    Tory is superfluous in that piece.
    The PM reminds me most of Wilson of all his predecessors.
    Master of public persona, political tactics and communication.
    Long term ideas to build a better future?
    Not so much.
    Wilson left almost no legacy except a few catchphrases, an iconic image (the pipe, though apparently he did not much smoke in real life), and an unreformed and latently bankrupt British state.
    Harold Wilson kept Britain out of the Vietnam war when I think most British PMs would have signed up with enthusiasm. Not leaving a legacy is absolutely fine, as he made the right call at the right time.
    Wilson was more than happy to see the whole world turn Communist, and not lift a finger to stop it.
    Yes because the Vietnam war, with its total victory for the US and its allies, kicked the communists out of south east asia decisively.
    You lose some you win some, but surely it can only be historically measured on were you trying to do the right thing?

    Is there no one else on PB who would have supported a British Prime minister standing shoulder to shoulder with their Australian and US counterparts in confronting the insidious communist empire building?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,554

    IanB2 said:

    TOPPING said:

    Very stupidly, Waitrose have decided to cease publishing “the Good Food Guide”, which has come out annually for 70 years.

    (Waitrose have owned the brand for 7 years).

    It is/was essentially the only decent guide to eating in this country, at least outside of London.

    Tripadvisor works fine for me when escaping the snooty, sneering cesspit of vice and wokery.
    Tripadvisor is not very useful. You want to go somewhere, it has 99 5-star reviews and you are put off by the one 1-star review (or at least I am).
    But reading the negative reviews is how you find out what the potential problems might be. There are too many fake positive reviews to take much account of the actual scoring.
    TripAdvisor is trash.
    It is the “Daily Mail Comments” of travel review.
    I don't think I could agree less! A balance of TA reviews gives a massively more accurate picture than a glowing review by Sean T or similar who was possibly not incognito and whose every whim was therefore catered to, and is from two years ago. I'm not saying that professional travel journalism isn't worthwhile, enjoyable, and an art form (I love Tanya Gold's restaurant reviews in the Spectator) but it's not a good indication of where to eat or stay in the way that TA, despite its faults, is.
    I am comparing it with the Good Food Guide which never let me down over many years of eating in places like Ludlow, Lanarkshire or Leicester.

    Agree that food journalism is something else altogether.
    Ah, OK. I've not used it - I'll have to check it out. Let us know how you get on in Luton, Llandudno, and Lakenheath. :lol:
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    edited May 2021
    Three things which in hindsight I don’t believe about Cummings’s testimony.

    1. That he can’t remember if he attended SAGE
    2. That he had no opinion on “eat out to help out”
    3. That he had nothing to say on “VIP channels” and semi-corrupt PPE procurement.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,012
    edited May 2021

    TOPPING said:

    Hola this is not an experimental vaccine it's been thoroughly tested over the past three months pop pickers, here's an interesting thing make of it what you will.

    Just been out today for an extremely agreeable lunch in town, place was packed not a facemask in sight. Then, as penance, I went to see my aged aunt who a) has been double jabbed; b) has tinnitus; and c) sits glued to the phone in radio shows all day.

    She was complaining that since the jabs her tinnitus was much worse. Further, she assured me that the radio phone-ins were full of people saying the same thing. Since the jab their tinnitus had worsened.

    A bit of google fu revealed that the NHS says it is a very low occurring side effect and phrased the enquiry "worsened tinnitus and developed tinnitus". But these of course are two different things. People who already have tinnitus are different in their physiology or whatever it is that causes it, to those who don't have it.

    So..what if the vaccine actually does exacerbate tinnitus.

    Was that on the tin?

    I mean in the round it's probably better for my aunt to have worse tinnitus and the jabs, if that's the reason, than be exposed to the virus.

    But it is a potential side effect from this super safe, thoroughly tested vaccine that no one foresaw.

    Fancy.

    IF I wrote this I would get dogs' abuse.
    I appreciate that. People on here are strange sometimes.

    I think they or some of them are scared.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,209

    EU visitors complaining that the rules apply to them just like everyone else visiting Britain:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/27/eu-tourists-condemn-uk-border-officials-humiliating-treatment

    Indeed. Treating people like shit is a key aim of Brexit. But Brexit applies the shit more widely and therefore more equitably. Including, indirectly, UK citizens who get the treatment on the reciprocal rebound.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,267

    EU visitors complaining that the rules apply to them just like everyone else visiting Britain:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/27/eu-tourists-condemn-uk-border-officials-humiliating-treatment

    It does seem that it is taking so time to realise we are an Independent Country
    Those silly foreigners!
    They don’t like it up ‘em.
    I am sorry but I do not view them in that manner or tone

    They are very welcome to come to the UK but just as when I visit US, Canada, or Australia and I conform to their tourist entry requirements so should they when they come here

    It is hopefully time to put behind us any negative attitude to visitors to our country from abroad
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,885
    NEW: George Galloway confirms he's standing in the Batley and Spen by-election with the explicit purpose of ousting Keir Starmer: "If for whatever reason you think that the current leader of the Labour party needs to be replaced, I'm your man."

    Potentially problematic for Labour

    https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1397979113802153989
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298

    IanB2 said:

    TOPPING said:

    Very stupidly, Waitrose have decided to cease publishing “the Good Food Guide”, which has come out annually for 70 years.

    (Waitrose have owned the brand for 7 years).

    It is/was essentially the only decent guide to eating in this country, at least outside of London.

    Tripadvisor works fine for me when escaping the snooty, sneering cesspit of vice and wokery.
    Tripadvisor is not very useful. You want to go somewhere, it has 99 5-star reviews and you are put off by the one 1-star review (or at least I am).
    But reading the negative reviews is how you find out what the potential problems might be. There are too many fake positive reviews to take much account of the actual scoring.
    TripAdvisor is trash.
    It is the “Daily Mail Comments” of travel review.
    I don't think I could agree less! A balance of TA reviews gives a massively more accurate picture than a glowing review by Sean T or similar who was possibly not incognito and whose every whim was therefore catered to, and is from two years ago. I'm not saying that professional travel journalism isn't worthwhile, enjoyable, and an art form (I love Tanya Gold's restaurant reviews in the Spectator) but it's not a good indication of where to eat or stay in the way that TA, despite its faults, is.
    I am comparing it with the Good Food Guide which never let me down over many years of eating in places like Ludlow, Lanarkshire or Leicester.

    Agree that food journalism is something else altogether.
    Ah, OK. I've not used it - I'll have to check it out. Let us know how you get on in Luton, Llandudno, and Lakenheath. :lol:
    I can almost guarantee to you that Luton and Lakenheath have no entries. :(
  • gealbhangealbhan Posts: 2,362

    gealbhan said:

    carnforth said:


    The leftists like me are wryly amused to see chunks of Corbynism being implemented with nary a squeak from the Tory media who said it'd mean the end of civilisation.

    Temporarily implemented because of the pandemic, or permanently like Corbyn wanted? Because those are opposite things, aren't they? And we expect opposite things in extraordinary circumstances, because extra-ordinary and ordinary are opposites.
    Are you expecting Great British Railways to be privatised soon?
    Boris is an enthusiastic franchising-hater - probably the best thing he ever did as mayor was effectively renationalising the woeful West Anglia line to TfL.

    Franchising is dead, thankfully. It was an embarrassment and a disgrace.
    British Rail was a disaster because it was constantly broke, the social market economy was gasping on its last breath for private investment. Why would any private investment come in anywhere with no control and no return?

    You are easily the most reactionary poster on PB.
    Lol. Clearly you never sampled the Silverlink / West Anglia lines.

    Far better under TFL - an absolute disgrace before.
    Derisive laughter. Is that all I am going to get?

    So what’s next, kick private investment out of the water industry? Nationalise the energy companies? Just because of what? What’s actually wrong?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,012
    ping said:

    @TOPPING

    On tinnitus - IANAE but I know from personal experience that hearing aids help. Very little else provides any proven benefit. There’s clearly a psychosomatic aspect to it - ENT docs prescribe CBT for the worst cases, which is indicative.

    I think it tends to be harder for people who start experiencing tinnitus in later life. I’ve lived with mine all my life and it doesn’t really bother me. If I let it drive me mad, it would. So I don’t dwell on it.

    I’m sure others on this board have experience, too.

    Interesting. Have you been jabbed?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,885

    Three things which in hindsight I don’t believe about Cummings’s testimony.

    1. That he can’t remember if he attended SAGE
    2. That he had no opinion on “eat out to help out”
    3. That he had nothing to say on “VIP channels” and semi-corrupt PPE procurement.

    Is there anything in the known universe that he hasn't had an opinion on?
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818

    Following yesterday's fascinating seven hour full on attack on Boris, Hancock and others by Cummings I would make the following observations

    While it is amusing to see all those who condemned Cummings last year now fully supportive of him, I do think there were quite a few things that he highlighted that will resonate, not least Boris resistance to lockdown and possibly Hancock's comments on nursing homes may gain some traction though I am not joining the chorus to see him sacked, as I think right now he is the right person in the job

    Listening to both today, Hancock was nervous but did ok at the despatch box, indeed impressing Adam Boulton no less, but I do think they are fighting to retain the momentum and there could be a negative poll effect in the coming days

    Of course that may be mitigated by the state of labour at present and the lack of respect in the public generally for Cummings

    I am very much a RIshi supporter and to be honest if it all became too much for Boris, I would be content to see a change in the leadership and PM

    I also agree with those who say the Margaret Thatcher would not have approved of Boris.

    She was in a different league altogether and would have handled this pandemic in a much more scientific and professional way that is just not in the gift of Boris

    Definite yes to your last paragraph. Whatever her faults she would have put the hours in, done the detail, ran the committees properly and indeed even turn up to them.

    The contrast with Johnson is stark to say the least.
    The blessed Lady Margaret (PBUH) would have undoubtedly have out de Santissed Ron De Santis. She would have De Stantissed the sh*t out of it.

    As the screams of the control freaks grew louder, her will would only have got stronger.

    And when they are both in Prime Minister heaven, She will be having words with Boris Alexander De Pfeffel Johnson.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,554
    gealbhan said:

    TOPPING said:

    gealbhan said:

    FF43 said:

    dixiedean said:

    There's a perception amongst its opponents that this Government is ideological and very right-wing.

    In fact, the reason it's polling so well is that it's positioned itself slap-bang in the centre of where public opinion is across the country at large.

    That's not the same as the chatterati, but it doesn't make it untrue.

    Excellent post. Very true.

    It’s the most leftwing Tory government since the 1970s, and possibly before.

    I keep repeating this to my chattering class friends!
    Tory is superfluous in that piece.
    The PM reminds me most of Wilson of all his predecessors.
    Master of public persona, political tactics and communication.
    Long term ideas to build a better future?
    Not so much.
    Wilson left almost no legacy except a few catchphrases, an iconic image (the pipe, though apparently he did not much smoke in real life), and an unreformed and latently bankrupt British state.
    Harold Wilson kept Britain out of the Vietnam war when I think most British PMs would have signed up with enthusiasm. Not leaving a legacy is absolutely fine, as he made the right call at the right time.
    Wilson was more than happy to see the whole world turn Communist, and not lift a finger to stop it.
    Yes because the Vietnam war, with its total victory for the US and its allies, kicked the communists out of south east asia decisively.
    You lose some you win some, but surely it can only be historically measured on were you trying to do the right thing?

    Is there no one else on PB who would have supported a British Prime minister standing shoulder to shoulder with their Australian and US counterparts in confronting the insidious communist empire building?
    I most definitely wouldn't. Britain is best off avoiding land wars altogether and limiting our military interventions on land to occasional bombardment from the relative safety of a Dreadnought. This is proven by history time and time again.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    FF43 said:

    EU visitors complaining that the rules apply to them just like everyone else visiting Britain:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/27/eu-tourists-condemn-uk-border-officials-humiliating-treatment

    Indeed. Treating people like shit is a key aim of Brexit. But Brexit applies the shit more widely and therefore more equitably. Including, indirectly, UK citizens who get the treatment on the reciprocal rebound.
    If people are being treated like shit then that should be stopped for all, not just constrained to non-Europeans so we can feel self-righteous that only different races rather than white Europeans are treated like shit.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    NEW: George Galloway confirms he's standing in the Batley and Spen by-election with the explicit purpose of ousting Keir Starmer: "If for whatever reason you think that the current leader of the Labour party needs to be replaced, I'm your man."

    Potentially problematic for Labour

    https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1397979113802153989

    Bad news for the Tories surely. If you want rid of Starmer then vote Tory.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298

    EU visitors complaining that the rules apply to them just like everyone else visiting Britain:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/27/eu-tourists-condemn-uk-border-officials-humiliating-treatment

    It does seem that it is taking so time to realise we are an Independent Country
    Those silly foreigners!
    They don’t like it up ‘em.
    I am sorry but I do not view them in that manner or tone

    They are very welcome to come to the UK but just as when I visit US, Canada, or Australia and I conform to their tourist entry requirements so should they when they come here

    It is hopefully time to put behind us any negative attitude to visitors to our country from abroad
    Let’s start with you.

    The poor Danish girl who spent five hours crying in a detention centre was hardly guilty of “not believing the U.K. was an independent country”.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,692
    IanB2 said:

    gealbhan said:

    carnforth said:


    The leftists like me are wryly amused to see chunks of Corbynism being implemented with nary a squeak from the Tory media who said it'd mean the end of civilisation.

    Temporarily implemented because of the pandemic, or permanently like Corbyn wanted? Because those are opposite things, aren't they? And we expect opposite things in extraordinary circumstances, because extra-ordinary and ordinary are opposites.
    Are you expecting Great British Railways to be privatised soon?
    Boris is an enthusiastic franchising-hater - probably the best thing he ever did as mayor was effectively renationalising the woeful West Anglia line to TfL.

    Franchising is dead, thankfully. It was an embarrassment and a disgrace.
    British Rail was a disaster because it was constantly broke, the social market economy was gasping on its last breath for private investment. Why would any private investment come in anywhere with no control and no return?

    You are easily the most reactionary poster on PB.
    For a brief period in the 1980s I was in charge of the Post Office’s operations at Liverpool St station. I used to enjoy our quarterly meetings with BR’s management team - about such business as the on-platform punch ups that had taken place between postmen and platform staff and guards - because we came away feeling incredibly professional by comparison.

    The instant powdered tea they served us in plastic cups was always utterly disgusting.
    I watched this documentary the other day which might be similar to your experience at Liv St.

    "Just Another Day - Waterloo Station (1983)"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lxAJCL2XVw

  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,049
    I see the Firm is going to be a playa in Indyref II

    https://twitter.com/krishgm/status/1397972015097782278?s=21
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,819

    EU visitors complaining that the rules apply to them just like everyone else visiting Britain:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/27/eu-tourists-condemn-uk-border-officials-humiliating-treatment

    The howls of anguish on here when they start reciprocating will be a sight to behold.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298

    FF43 said:

    EU visitors complaining that the rules apply to them just like everyone else visiting Britain:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/27/eu-tourists-condemn-uk-border-officials-humiliating-treatment

    Indeed. Treating people like shit is a key aim of Brexit. But Brexit applies the shit more widely and therefore more equitably. Including, indirectly, UK citizens who get the treatment on the reciprocal rebound.
    If people are being treated like shit then that should be stopped for all, not just constrained to non-Europeans so we can feel self-righteous that only different races rather than white Europeans are treated like shit.
    Is there a latin tag that describes this kind of argument? Like Whataboutis batshittus?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,554

    I see the Firm is going to be a playa in Indyref II

    https://twitter.com/krishgm/status/1397972015097782278?s=21

    I have no idea what the above means, but can I guess you're bringing more of your favourite sectarian hors d'oeuvres here for our 'enjoyment'?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    IanB2 said:

    A question for PB Brains Trust please.

    Someone I know has come to me for advice following getting a letter inviting them in for a for a sickness/absence meeting. New manager who has just has sent one to pretty much everyone in the company it seems, for absences under the old manager before they were even hired. This is done on a "Bradford Factor" threshold.

    The letter includes an absence record for the past 12 months including: an isolation for Covid symptoms pending a negative test, an authorised absence for a death in the family, an authorised absence for a funeral following that death, and a 7 work day absence following a Covid positive test result. These details, including that its authorised absence for a funeral, are included in the absence record accompanying the letter. Had the Covid absences not been included, or the death and funeral absence, then there are next-to-no absences and the Bradford Factor score would be nowhere close to the threshold. By my maths they've counted the death and authorised absence for a funeral as two separate instances of absence too.

    I doubt the manager has even looked at their specific record and its just been computer automated, which is not good management in my eyes - but is it legal to discipline people for being off following a Covid positive test? Or an authorised absence for a funeral? Certainly doesn't seem reasonable to me.

    You probably don’t need to offer much more than reassurance. No employer is going to get that far trying to use Covid-specific absences against their employees.

    Worst case, the employer needs to downsize and will end up reducing its workforce through redundancy. Trying to lever people out for cheaper reasons in advance is unlikely to wash.
    That's what I thought.

    Disciplining people for Covid-specific absences kind of sends a message out to everyone that even if you're symptomatic simply do not get tested and just come to work. Not exactly smart. Let alone disciplining people for authorised funeral absences. 😕
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    Apparently Peter Kelner posted this. V interesting.


  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,017
    edited May 2021
    ping said:

    @TOPPING

    On tinnitus - IANAE but I know from personal experience that hearing aids help. Very little else provides any proven benefit. There’s clearly a psychosomatic aspect to it - ENT docs prescribe CBT for the worst cases, which is indicative.

    I think it tends to be harder for people who start experiencing tinnitus in later life. I’ve lived with mine all my life and it doesn’t really bother me. If I let it drive me mad, it would. So I don’t dwell on it.

    I’m sure others on this board have experience, too.

    Mine tends to come on when I am unwell/stressed/tired (so I take it as a warning to cool off and chill). Though it can be a sympton of things like high blood pressure.

    The Royal National Institute for the Deaf, by the way, cover not only hearing loss but also tinnitus, so their website may be useful.

    https://rnid.org.uk/

    [edit: that last nor specifically aimed at you, more for general info in the discussion]
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,049

    I see the Firm is going to be a playa in Indyref II

    https://twitter.com/krishgm/status/1397972015097782278?s=21

    I have no idea what the above means, but can I guess you're bringing more of your favourite sectarian hors d'oeuvres here for our 'enjoyment'?
    Entirely wrong.
    You seem a tad obsessed about matters sectarian.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,561

    Apparently Peter Kelner posted this. V interesting.


    How is he defining progressive parties ?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,017

    I see the Firm is going to be a playa in Indyref II

    https://twitter.com/krishgm/status/1397972015097782278?s=21

    I have no idea what the above means, but can I guess you're bringing more of your favourite sectarian hors d'oeuvres here for our 'enjoyment'?
    Entirely wrong.
    You seem a tad obsessed about matters sectarian.
    I'm also interested to see that C4 could be banned from showing film of Mr Brown on a public road (presumably).
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,209
    edited May 2021

    A question for PB Brains Trust please.

    Someone I know has come to me for advice following getting a letter inviting them in for a for a sickness/absence meeting. New manager who has just has sent one to pretty much everyone in the company it seems, for absences under the old manager before they were even hired. This is done on a "Bradford Factor" threshold.

    The letter includes an absence record for the past 12 months including: an isolation for Covid symptoms pending a negative test, an authorised absence for a death in the family, an authorised absence for a funeral following that death, and a 7 work day absence following a Covid positive test result. These details, including that its authorised absence for a funeral, are included in the absence record accompanying the letter. Had the Covid absences not been included, or the death and funeral absence, then there are next-to-no absences and the Bradford Factor score would be nowhere close to the threshold. By my maths they've counted the death and authorised absence for a funeral as two separate instances of absence too.

    I doubt the manager has even looked at their specific record and its just been computer automated, which is not good management in my eyes - but is it legal to discipline people for being off following a Covid positive test? Or an authorised absence for a funeral? Certainly doesn't seem reasonable to me.

    I would go into the meeting prepared with questions;

    1. What was the policy at the time for absences due to having Covid symptoms?
    2. How was the policy communicated to staff?
    3. Was it the policy that people should still come into work despite having Covid symptoms?
    4. How did the policy tie into government guidance and rules at the time for those with Covid symptoms.

    Be calm about it, but you're not going to get to the end of your questions before the manager gives up.

    The death in the family night be covered by emergency leave rules.
  • gealbhangealbhan Posts: 2,362

    gealbhan said:

    TOPPING said:

    gealbhan said:

    FF43 said:

    dixiedean said:

    There's a perception amongst its opponents that this Government is ideological and very right-wing.

    In fact, the reason it's polling so well is that it's positioned itself slap-bang in the centre of where public opinion is across the country at large.

    That's not the same as the chatterati, but it doesn't make it untrue.

    Excellent post. Very true.

    It’s the most leftwing Tory government since the 1970s, and possibly before.

    I keep repeating this to my chattering class friends!
    Tory is superfluous in that piece.
    The PM reminds me most of Wilson of all his predecessors.
    Master of public persona, political tactics and communication.
    Long term ideas to build a better future?
    Not so much.
    Wilson left almost no legacy except a few catchphrases, an iconic image (the pipe, though apparently he did not much smoke in real life), and an unreformed and latently bankrupt British state.
    Harold Wilson kept Britain out of the Vietnam war when I think most British PMs would have signed up with enthusiasm. Not leaving a legacy is absolutely fine, as he made the right call at the right time.
    Wilson was more than happy to see the whole world turn Communist, and not lift a finger to stop it.
    Yes because the Vietnam war, with its total victory for the US and its allies, kicked the communists out of south east asia decisively.
    You lose some you win some, but surely it can only be historically measured on were you trying to do the right thing?

    Is there no one else on PB who would have supported a British Prime minister standing shoulder to shoulder with their Australian and US counterparts in confronting the insidious communist empire building?
    I most definitely wouldn't. Britain is best off avoiding land wars altogether and limiting our military interventions on land to occasional bombardment from the relative safety of a Dreadnought. This is proven by history time and time again.
    You can understand Australia in fear of communist expansion in Asia, because it’s their backyard, but it’s too far away for us to worry about.
    That’s the death of a free world if you take that sort of lazy and ignorant approach isn’t it?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,554

    I see the Firm is going to be a playa in Indyref II

    https://twitter.com/krishgm/status/1397972015097782278?s=21

    I have no idea what the above means, but can I guess you're bringing more of your favourite sectarian hors d'oeuvres here for our 'enjoyment'?
    Entirely wrong.
    You seem a tad obsessed about matters sectarian.
    Suppose that gives you some company if nothing else.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298

    I see the Firm is going to be a playa in Indyref II

    https://twitter.com/krishgm/status/1397972015097782278?s=21

    I have no idea what the above means, but can I guess you're bringing more of your favourite sectarian hors d'oeuvres here for our 'enjoyment'?
    Entirely wrong.
    You seem a tad obsessed about matters sectarian.
    He is the very model of a zoomer young contrarian.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,819

    FF43 said:

    EU visitors complaining that the rules apply to them just like everyone else visiting Britain:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/27/eu-tourists-condemn-uk-border-officials-humiliating-treatment

    Indeed. Treating people like shit is a key aim of Brexit. But Brexit applies the shit more widely and therefore more equitably. Including, indirectly, UK citizens who get the treatment on the reciprocal rebound.
    If people are being treated like shit then that should be stopped for all, not just constrained to non-Europeans so we can feel self-righteous that only different races rather than white Europeans are treated like shit.
    It is certainly true that UK immigration has been treating non-Europeans like shit for decades. I'm not sure I would welcome this problem being extended to more people, just because the racial mix of its victims might be evening up. That's too woke for me!
    The problem now is that there are a lot more countries that are now able to treat our citizens like shit at the border, like the Americans do at times. I have a friend who was deported and denied access to the US for ten years because they thought she was trying to work there illegally (she wasn't). Now the whole of the EU can do that to us too.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,017

    I see the Firm is going to be a playa in Indyref II

    https://twitter.com/krishgm/status/1397972015097782278?s=21

    I have no idea what the above means, but can I guess you're bringing more of your favourite sectarian hors d'oeuvres here for our 'enjoyment'?
    Old Firm = 2 footie teams, historically sectarian in the bad old days.

    The Firm = Royal Family. prop. HMTQ.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/09/world/europe/royal-family-firm-meghan-harry.html
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,012
    gealbhan said:

    TOPPING said:

    gealbhan said:

    FF43 said:

    dixiedean said:

    There's a perception amongst its opponents that this Government is ideological and very right-wing.

    In fact, the reason it's polling so well is that it's positioned itself slap-bang in the centre of where public opinion is across the country at large.

    That's not the same as the chatterati, but it doesn't make it untrue.

    Excellent post. Very true.

    It’s the most leftwing Tory government since the 1970s, and possibly before.

    I keep repeating this to my chattering class friends!
    Tory is superfluous in that piece.
    The PM reminds me most of Wilson of all his predecessors.
    Master of public persona, political tactics and communication.
    Long term ideas to build a better future?
    Not so much.
    Wilson left almost no legacy except a few catchphrases, an iconic image (the pipe, though apparently he did not much smoke in real life), and an unreformed and latently bankrupt British state.
    Harold Wilson kept Britain out of the Vietnam war when I think most British PMs would have signed up with enthusiasm. Not leaving a legacy is absolutely fine, as he made the right call at the right time.
    Wilson was more than happy to see the whole world turn Communist, and not lift a finger to stop it.
    Yes because the Vietnam war, with its total victory for the US and its allies, kicked the communists out of south east asia decisively.
    You lose some you win some, but surely it can only be historically measured on were you trying to do the right thing?

    Is there no one else on PB who would have supported a British Prime minister standing shoulder to shoulder with their Australian and US counterparts in confronting the insidious communist empire building?
    What's your position on our Afghan and Iraqi adventures?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    Taz said:

    Apparently Peter Kelner posted this. V interesting.


    How is he defining progressive parties ?
    Presumably the major left wing party. Labour, in the UK’s case. It seems to scan.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,237

    NEW: George Galloway confirms he's standing in the Batley and Spen by-election with the explicit purpose of ousting Keir Starmer: "If for whatever reason you think that the current leader of the Labour party needs to be replaced, I'm your man."

    Potentially problematic for Labour

    https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1397979113802153989

    Does he realise he's become a joke perennial candidate?

    Leave it to Binface, George.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,049
    Carnyx said:

    I see the Firm is going to be a playa in Indyref II

    https://twitter.com/krishgm/status/1397972015097782278?s=21

    I have no idea what the above means, but can I guess you're bringing more of your favourite sectarian hors d'oeuvres here for our 'enjoyment'?
    Entirely wrong.
    You seem a tad obsessed about matters sectarian.
    I'm also interested to see that C4 could be banned from showing film of Mr Brown on a public road (presumably).
    I’ve just had a terrible thought. We’re going to get some awful tokenistic support from a royal for Scotland in the Eng v Sco match. Young bawheid himself?
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    edited May 2021
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Hola this is not an experimental vaccine it's been thoroughly tested over the past three months pop pickers, here's an interesting thing make of it what you will.

    Just been out today for an extremely agreeable lunch in town, place was packed not a facemask in sight. Then, as penance, I went to see my aged aunt who a) has been double jabbed; b) has tinnitus; and c) sits glued to the phone in radio shows all day.

    She was complaining that since the jabs her tinnitus was much worse. Further, she assured me that the radio phone-ins were full of people saying the same thing. Since the jab their tinnitus had worsened.

    A bit of google fu revealed that the NHS says it is a very low occurring side effect and phrased the enquiry "worsened tinnitus and developed tinnitus". But these of course are two different things. People who already have tinnitus are different in their physiology or whatever it is that causes it, to those who don't have it.

    So..what if the vaccine actually does exacerbate tinnitus.

    Was that on the tin?

    I mean in the round it's probably better for my aunt to have worse tinnitus and the jabs, if that's the reason, than be exposed to the virus.

    But it is a potential side effect from this super safe, thoroughly tested vaccine that no one foresaw.

    Fancy.

    IF I wrote this I would get dogs' abuse.
    I appreciate that. People on here are strange sometimes.

    I think they or some of them are scared.
    People are scared because our government IS authoritarian and they are at the mercy of it. And it can do what it wants, when it wants, with virtually no comeback, on a whim. Like cancel your freedom before breakfast.

    All the time posters on here have been pouring scorn or ridicule on people who only wanted to help them, and support for whom might actually put some pressure on the government.

    Laurence Fox, Richard Tice, Julia Hartley Brewer, Toby Young......Sneers of derision....... Racists!!!!........Fascists!!!!.....Anti vaxxers!!

    Well who the f8ck else is going to get you your freedom back? Who else is asking the questions you want asked?

    Johnson? Starmer? Cummings? Whitty? Rigby? Kuenssberg?? Grow up.


  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,017

    Carnyx said:

    I see the Firm is going to be a playa in Indyref II

    https://twitter.com/krishgm/status/1397972015097782278?s=21

    I have no idea what the above means, but can I guess you're bringing more of your favourite sectarian hors d'oeuvres here for our 'enjoyment'?
    Entirely wrong.
    You seem a tad obsessed about matters sectarian.
    I'm also interested to see that C4 could be banned from showing film of Mr Brown on a public road (presumably).
    I’ve just had a terrible thought. We’re going to get some awful tokenistic support from a royal for Scotland in the Eng v Sco match. Young bawheid himself?
    Strathearn? Doubt it. Too, er, much the heir. More like the Princess Royal. Isn't she mum in law to an authentic 100% Caledonian rugger bugger?
  • Cocky_cockneyCocky_cockney Posts: 760
    Brilliant article Cyclefree
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Hola this is not an experimental vaccine it's been thoroughly tested over the past three months pop pickers, here's an interesting thing make of it what you will.

    Just been out today for an extremely agreeable lunch in town, place was packed not a facemask in sight. Then, as penance, I went to see my aged aunt who a) has been double jabbed; b) has tinnitus; and c) sits glued to the phone in radio shows all day.

    She was complaining that since the jabs her tinnitus was much worse. Further, she assured me that the radio phone-ins were full of people saying the same thing. Since the jab their tinnitus had worsened.

    A bit of google fu revealed that the NHS says it is a very low occurring side effect and phrased the enquiry "worsened tinnitus and developed tinnitus". But these of course are two different things. People who already have tinnitus are different in their physiology or whatever it is that causes it, to those who don't have it.

    So..what if the vaccine actually does exacerbate tinnitus.

    Was that on the tin?

    I mean in the round it's probably better for my aunt to have worse tinnitus and the jabs, if that's the reason, than be exposed to the virus.

    But it is a potential side effect from this super safe, thoroughly tested vaccine that no one foresaw.

    Fancy.

    IF I wrote this I would get dogs' abuse.
    I appreciate that. People on here are strange sometimes.

    I think they or some of them are scared.
    People are scared because our government IS authoritarian and they are at the mercy of it. And it can do what it wants, when it wants, with virtually no comeback, on a whim.

    All the time they have been pouring scorn or ridicule on people who only wanted to help them, and support for whom might actually put some pressure on the government.

    Laurence Fox, Richard Tice, Julia Hartley Brewer, Toby Young......Sneers of derision.......Racists!!!!........Fascists!!!!

    Well who the f8ck else is going to get you your freedom back? Who else is asking the questions you want asked.

    Johnson? Starmer? Cummings? Whitty? Grow up.


    Steve Baker etc are going to put more real pressure on ensuring that we get our freedoms back than any of that insane clown posse.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,903

    TOPPING said:

    ping said:

    TOPPING said:

    Hola this is not an experimental vaccine it's been thoroughly tested over the past three months pop pickers, here's an interesting thing make of it what you will.

    Just been out today for an extremely agreeable lunch in town, place was packed not a facemask in sight. Then, as penance, I went to see my aged aunt who a) has been double jabbed; b) has tinnitus; and c) sits glued to the phone in radio shows all day.

    She was complaining that since the jabs her tinnitus was much worse. Further, she assured me that the radio phone-ins were full of people saying the same thing. Since the jab their tinnitus had worsened.

    A bit of google fu revealed that the NHS says it is a very low occurring side effect and phrased the enquiry "worsened tinnitus and developed tinnitus". But these of course are two different things. People who already have tinnitus are different in their physiology or whatever it is that causes it, to those who don't have it.

    So..what if the vaccine actually does exacerbate tinnitus.

    Was that on the tin?

    I mean in the round it's probably better for my aunt to have worse tinnitus and the jabs, if that's the reason, than be exposed to the virus.

    But it is a potential side effect from this super safe, thoroughly tested vaccine that no one foresaw.

    Fancy.

    Tinnitus is an odd phenomenon. It’s so subjective.
    From what I understand from my aunt it is a "ringing" in the ears of some kind. But yes it seems to have no definitive form.

    Unless you think it is psychosomatic?
    The Kim Wilde song 'Water On Glass' is about Tinnitus.
    Kim Wilde has songs other than “Kids in America”. Who knew.
    Not her biggest hit surprisingly, biggest hit was a cover of The Supremes' You Keep Me Hanging On.
    "Kids in America" has one of the most vexing lines in popular music: "New York to East California." The geographically awake will notice how irritatingly short that falls of being all-encompassing. Why East California? It's largely desert. West of South would have made so much more sense.
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Hola this is not an experimental vaccine it's been thoroughly tested over the past three months pop pickers, here's an interesting thing make of it what you will.

    Just been out today for an extremely agreeable lunch in town, place was packed not a facemask in sight. Then, as penance, I went to see my aged aunt who a) has been double jabbed; b) has tinnitus; and c) sits glued to the phone in radio shows all day.

    She was complaining that since the jabs her tinnitus was much worse. Further, she assured me that the radio phone-ins were full of people saying the same thing. Since the jab their tinnitus had worsened.

    A bit of google fu revealed that the NHS says it is a very low occurring side effect and phrased the enquiry "worsened tinnitus and developed tinnitus". But these of course are two different things. People who already have tinnitus are different in their physiology or whatever it is that causes it, to those who don't have it.

    So..what if the vaccine actually does exacerbate tinnitus.

    Was that on the tin?

    I mean in the round it's probably better for my aunt to have worse tinnitus and the jabs, if that's the reason, than be exposed to the virus.

    But it is a potential side effect from this super safe, thoroughly tested vaccine that no one foresaw.

    Fancy.

    IF I wrote this I would get dogs' abuse.
    I appreciate that. People on here are strange sometimes.

    I think they or some of them are scared.
    People are scared because our government IS authoritarian and they are at the mercy of it. And it can do what it wants, when it wants, with virtually no comeback, on a whim.

    All the time they have been pouring scorn or ridicule on people who only wanted to help them, and support for whom might actually put some pressure on the government.

    Laurence Fox, Richard Tice, Julia Hartley Brewer, Toby Young......Sneers of derision.......Racists!!!!........Fascists!!!!

    Well who the f8ck else is going to get you your freedom back? Who else is asking the questions you want asked.

    Johnson? Starmer? Cummings? Whitty? Grow up.


    Steve Baker etc are going to put more real pressure on ensuring that we get our freedoms back than any of that insane clown posse.
    A case in point

    Baker is powerless because he is part of the team. A word from the chief whip and he rolls over. And he's swamped by labour MPs anyway.

    IF Tice had taken 500 councillors off the tories in May, we would be exiting on June 21 no danger.

    As it is, too many people believe bullsh*t like this and stay on the reservation/
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,209

    FF43 said:

    EU visitors complaining that the rules apply to them just like everyone else visiting Britain:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/27/eu-tourists-condemn-uk-border-officials-humiliating-treatment

    Indeed. Treating people like shit is a key aim of Brexit. But Brexit applies the shit more widely and therefore more equitably. Including, indirectly, UK citizens who get the treatment on the reciprocal rebound.
    If people are being treated like shit then that should be stopped for all, not just constrained to non-Europeans so we can feel self-righteous that only different races rather than white Europeans are treated like shit.
    I think I would support equal but less shit. In the meantime we're getting more, thanks to Brexit. I don't support that.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    meanwhile anybody accusing me of being an anti-vaxxer really should look at the story about a BBC presenter's passing away that is being trumpeted by at least the Mail and the Sun.

    That's anti-Vaxxism, right there.

    Have you taken the vaccine yet? Or are you and @Dura_Ace still flying the flag for antivaxxery on this site?
    To be fair to @Dura_Ace i believe he doesn’t want to take the vaccine because it’s been tested on animals

    That’s a principled position (if wrong headed) and not really “antivaxxery”
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,596
    Charles said:

    meanwhile anybody accusing me of being an anti-vaxxer really should look at the story about a BBC presenter's passing away that is being trumpeted by at least the Mail and the Sun.

    That's anti-Vaxxism, right there.

    Have you taken the vaccine yet? Or are you and @Dura_Ace still flying the flag for antivaxxery on this site?
    To be fair to @Dura_Ace i believe he doesn’t want to take the vaccine because it’s been tested on animals

    That’s a principled position (if wrong headed) and not really “antivaxxery”
    That I didn’t know. Apologies to @Dura_Ace if so.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,411
    edited May 2021

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Hola this is not an experimental vaccine it's been thoroughly tested over the past three months pop pickers, here's an interesting thing make of it what you will.

    Just been out today for an extremely agreeable lunch in town, place was packed not a facemask in sight. Then, as penance, I went to see my aged aunt who a) has been double jabbed; b) has tinnitus; and c) sits glued to the phone in radio shows all day.

    She was complaining that since the jabs her tinnitus was much worse. Further, she assured me that the radio phone-ins were full of people saying the same thing. Since the jab their tinnitus had worsened.

    A bit of google fu revealed that the NHS says it is a very low occurring side effect and phrased the enquiry "worsened tinnitus and developed tinnitus". But these of course are two different things. People who already have tinnitus are different in their physiology or whatever it is that causes it, to those who don't have it.

    So..what if the vaccine actually does exacerbate tinnitus.

    Was that on the tin?

    I mean in the round it's probably better for my aunt to have worse tinnitus and the jabs, if that's the reason, than be exposed to the virus.

    But it is a potential side effect from this super safe, thoroughly tested vaccine that no one foresaw.

    Fancy.

    IF I wrote this I would get dogs' abuse.
    I appreciate that. People on here are strange sometimes.

    I think they or some of them are scared.
    People are scared because our government IS authoritarian and they are at the mercy of it. And it can do what it wants, when it wants, with virtually no comeback, on a whim. Like cancel your freedom before breakfast.

    All the time posters on here have been pouring scorn or ridicule on people who only wanted to help them, and support for whom might actually put some pressure on the government.

    Laurence Fox, Richard Tice, Julia Hartley Brewer, Toby Young......Sneers of derision....... Racists!!!!........Fascists!!!!.....Anti vaxxers!!

    Well who the f8ck else is going to get you your freedom back? Who else is asking the questions you want asked?

    Johnson? Starmer? Cummings? Whitty? Rigby? Kuenssberg?? Grow up.


    Have you ever considered moving to Florida, to enjoy the governance of Ron DeSantis?
    It would be a sad loss to this country of course, but you would get your freedoms back, and you could still post on here to let us know how it's going.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,869
    "The European Commission has threatened to delay the launch of the EU’s R&D scheme Horizon Europe unless member countries accept its plan to limit the participation of the UK, Israel and Switzerland in sensitive technology projects, according to diplomats."

    https://twitter.com/gallardo_ortega/status/1397976017067823112
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Taz said:

    Apparently Peter Kelner posted this. V interesting.


    How is he defining progressive parties ?
    He's not taking into account the fact that the progressive party has changed in some nations.

    There's no reason not to count D66 as a progressive Dutch party.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,684

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Hola this is not an experimental vaccine it's been thoroughly tested over the past three months pop pickers, here's an interesting thing make of it what you will.

    Just been out today for an extremely agreeable lunch in town, place was packed not a facemask in sight. Then, as penance, I went to see my aged aunt who a) has been double jabbed; b) has tinnitus; and c) sits glued to the phone in radio shows all day.

    She was complaining that since the jabs her tinnitus was much worse. Further, she assured me that the radio phone-ins were full of people saying the same thing. Since the jab their tinnitus had worsened.

    A bit of google fu revealed that the NHS says it is a very low occurring side effect and phrased the enquiry "worsened tinnitus and developed tinnitus". But these of course are two different things. People who already have tinnitus are different in their physiology or whatever it is that causes it, to those who don't have it.

    So..what if the vaccine actually does exacerbate tinnitus.

    Was that on the tin?

    I mean in the round it's probably better for my aunt to have worse tinnitus and the jabs, if that's the reason, than be exposed to the virus.

    But it is a potential side effect from this super safe, thoroughly tested vaccine that no one foresaw.

    Fancy.

    IF I wrote this I would get dogs' abuse.
    I appreciate that. People on here are strange sometimes.

    I think they or some of them are scared.
    People are scared because our government IS authoritarian and they are at the mercy of it. And it can do what it wants, when it wants, with virtually no comeback, on a whim. Like cancel your freedom before breakfast.

    All the time posters on here have been pouring scorn or ridicule on people who only wanted to help them, and support for whom might actually put some pressure on the government.

    Laurence Fox, Richard Tice, Julia Hartley Brewer, Toby Young......Sneers of derision....... Racists!!!!........Fascists!!!!.....Anti vaxxers!!

    Well who the f8ck else is going to get you your freedom back? Who else is asking the questions you want asked?

    Johnson? Starmer? Cummings? Whitty? Rigby? Kuenssberg?? Grow up.


    Overstated. Authoritarian governments don't really do one person one vote in multi party democracies with a free press. A few percent swing away from the Tories loses them a majority, and a centre left alliance of some sort takes over. What on earth do we need other than the rule of law in a multi party democracy to ensure that authoritarian government doesn't happen? In particular this government has been committed to bringing back within our authority all manner of powers that had been transferred to the EU.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,237

    "The European Commission has threatened to delay the launch of the EU’s R&D scheme Horizon Europe unless member countries accept its plan to limit the participation of the UK, Israel and Switzerland in sensitive technology projects, according to diplomats."

    https://twitter.com/gallardo_ortega/status/1397976017067823112

    Well, their scheme their rules I guess, though it seems a bit self defeating and an example of the kind of nationalistic approach I thought they did not like.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    "The European Commission has threatened to delay the launch of the EU’s R&D scheme Horizon Europe unless member countries accept its plan to limit the participation of the UK, Israel and Switzerland in sensitive technology projects, according to diplomats."

    https://twitter.com/gallardo_ortega/status/1397976017067823112

    Huh?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,950
    Taz said:

    Apparently Peter Kelner posted this. V interesting.


    How is he defining progressive parties ?
    Those not making any progress, by the look of it?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,012
    Charles said:

    meanwhile anybody accusing me of being an anti-vaxxer really should look at the story about a BBC presenter's passing away that is being trumpeted by at least the Mail and the Sun.

    That's anti-Vaxxism, right there.

    Have you taken the vaccine yet? Or are you and @Dura_Ace still flying the flag for antivaxxery on this site?
    To be fair to @Dura_Ace i believe he doesn’t want to take the vaccine because it’s been tested on animals

    That’s a principled position (if wrong headed) and not really “antivaxxery”
    Why is it wrong-headed?

    And what about my example of a 30-yr old with tinnitus when there seems to be strong anecdotal evidence (does such a thing exist?) of the vaccine making it worse?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Hola this is not an experimental vaccine it's been thoroughly tested over the past three months pop pickers, here's an interesting thing make of it what you will.

    Just been out today for an extremely agreeable lunch in town, place was packed not a facemask in sight. Then, as penance, I went to see my aged aunt who a) has been double jabbed; b) has tinnitus; and c) sits glued to the phone in radio shows all day.

    She was complaining that since the jabs her tinnitus was much worse. Further, she assured me that the radio phone-ins were full of people saying the same thing. Since the jab their tinnitus had worsened.

    A bit of google fu revealed that the NHS says it is a very low occurring side effect and phrased the enquiry "worsened tinnitus and developed tinnitus". But these of course are two different things. People who already have tinnitus are different in their physiology or whatever it is that causes it, to those who don't have it.

    So..what if the vaccine actually does exacerbate tinnitus.

    Was that on the tin?

    I mean in the round it's probably better for my aunt to have worse tinnitus and the jabs, if that's the reason, than be exposed to the virus.

    But it is a potential side effect from this super safe, thoroughly tested vaccine that no one foresaw.

    Fancy.

    IF I wrote this I would get dogs' abuse.
    I appreciate that. People on here are strange sometimes.

    I think they or some of them are scared.
    People are scared because our government IS authoritarian and they are at the mercy of it. And it can do what it wants, when it wants, with virtually no comeback, on a whim.

    All the time they have been pouring scorn or ridicule on people who only wanted to help them, and support for whom might actually put some pressure on the government.

    Laurence Fox, Richard Tice, Julia Hartley Brewer, Toby Young......Sneers of derision.......Racists!!!!........Fascists!!!!

    Well who the f8ck else is going to get you your freedom back? Who else is asking the questions you want asked.

    Johnson? Starmer? Cummings? Whitty? Grow up.


    Steve Baker etc are going to put more real pressure on ensuring that we get our freedoms back than any of that insane clown posse.
    A case in point

    Baker is powerless because he is part of the team. A word from the chief whip and he rolls over. And he's swamped by labour MPs anyway.

    IF Tice had taken 500 councillors off the tories in May, we would be exiting on June 21 no danger.

    As it is, too many people believe bullsh*t like this and stay on the reservation/
    Nah. Baker is powerful because he is part of the team. A word to the chief whip, or a threatened letter to the 1922 and Boris has no choice but to sit up and listen.

    Councillors don't mean shit. Especially 3 years before the next election.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,411
    ping said:

    @TOPPING

    On tinnitus - IANAE but I know from personal experience that hearing aids help. Very little else provides any proven benefit. There’s clearly a psychosomatic aspect to it - ENT docs prescribe CBT for the worst cases, which is indicative.

    I think it tends to be harder for people who start experiencing tinnitus in later life. I’ve lived with mine all my life and it doesn’t really bother me. If I let it drive me mad, it would. So I don’t dwell on it.

    I’m sure others on this board have experience, too.

    Sometimes tinnitus has a specific cause and is clearly not psychosomatic. Mine was caused directly by a course of chemotherapy four years ago - a known side effect, leading the consultant to cut the chemo a bit short. It's still there, but like you I've learnt to live with it - when I think about it, it's irritating, but most of the time when busy I just forget it.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,049
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    I see the Firm is going to be a playa in Indyref II

    https://twitter.com/krishgm/status/1397972015097782278?s=21

    I have no idea what the above means, but can I guess you're bringing more of your favourite sectarian hors d'oeuvres here for our 'enjoyment'?
    Entirely wrong.
    You seem a tad obsessed about matters sectarian.
    I'm also interested to see that C4 could be banned from showing film of Mr Brown on a public road (presumably).
    I’ve just had a terrible thought. We’re going to get some awful tokenistic support from a royal for Scotland in the Eng v Sco match. Young bawheid himself?
    Strathearn? Doubt it. Too, er, much the heir. More like the Princess Royal. Isn't she mum in law to an authentic 100% Caledonian rugger bugger?
    ‘I say, just spitballing here but Andrew is these blighters’ patron saint...’
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,927
    Some better polling for the CDU/CSU this evening.

    First, a national poll from YouGov

    CDU/CSU-EPP: 26% (+2)
    GRÜNE-G/EFA: 22% (-3)
    SPD-S&D: 15% (+1)
    FDP-RE: 12% (+1)
    AfD-ID: 11%
    LINKE-LEFT: 7% (-1)

    Changes from last poll (23-26 April)

    Then, the latest regional poll from Saxony-Anhalt (Infratest)

    CDU/CSU-EPP: 28% (-2)
    AfD-ID: 24% (unc)
    SPD-S&D: 11% (unc)
    LINKE-LEFT: 10% (-6)
    GRÜNE-G/EFA: 9% (+4)
    FDP-RE: 8% (+3)
    Frei Wahler-RE: 3% (+1)

    Changes from 2016 regional poll. Another poll showing the FDP likely to return to the regional parliament to provide another option for the coalition. Union+SPD+Green+FDP = 56%

    Elsewhere, a new poll from Denmark (Megafon)

    Social Democrats 27% (+1)
    Conservative People's Party: 15% (+9)
    Venstre: 13% (-11)
    The New Right: 10% (+8)
    Red-Green Alliance: 9% (+2)
    Socialist People's Party: 8% (unc)
    Social Liberal Party: 6% (-3)
    Danish People's Party: 5% (-4)
    Liberal Alliance: 3% (+1)
    Christian Democrats: 2% (unc)
    The Alternative: 1% (-2)

    Changes from the last Folketing election in 2019. The centre-left governing bloc still has about 50% support despite the Social Democrats falling back from some of its low 30s ratings from earlier in the year. The centre-right group trails on 38% with the Conservatives benefitting from the internal turmoil within Venstre.

    The emergence of the New Right has shattered the Dansk Folkeparti which has fallen well back from its 2015 highpoint - essentially, New Right is the Progress Party re-incarnated - it wants Denmark out of the EU. It has enough votes to stop the centre-right bloc and I suspect it helps shore up the centre-left vote.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,012
    It has come to a pretty pass when we are pinning our hopes on Steve Baker.

    But I think the difficulty for some on this board is that after enthusiastically embracing the restrictions for so long and not minding, indeed ridiculing that they crossed some peoples' red lines they are now screaming blue murder when the restrictions cross their own red lines.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,012

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Hola this is not an experimental vaccine it's been thoroughly tested over the past three months pop pickers, here's an interesting thing make of it what you will.

    Just been out today for an extremely agreeable lunch in town, place was packed not a facemask in sight. Then, as penance, I went to see my aged aunt who a) has been double jabbed; b) has tinnitus; and c) sits glued to the phone in radio shows all day.

    She was complaining that since the jabs her tinnitus was much worse. Further, she assured me that the radio phone-ins were full of people saying the same thing. Since the jab their tinnitus had worsened.

    A bit of google fu revealed that the NHS says it is a very low occurring side effect and phrased the enquiry "worsened tinnitus and developed tinnitus". But these of course are two different things. People who already have tinnitus are different in their physiology or whatever it is that causes it, to those who don't have it.

    So..what if the vaccine actually does exacerbate tinnitus.

    Was that on the tin?

    I mean in the round it's probably better for my aunt to have worse tinnitus and the jabs, if that's the reason, than be exposed to the virus.

    But it is a potential side effect from this super safe, thoroughly tested vaccine that no one foresaw.

    Fancy.

    IF I wrote this I would get dogs' abuse.
    I appreciate that. People on here are strange sometimes.

    I think they or some of them are scared.
    People are scared because our government IS authoritarian and they are at the mercy of it. And it can do what it wants, when it wants, with virtually no comeback, on a whim.

    All the time they have been pouring scorn or ridicule on people who only wanted to help them, and support for whom might actually put some pressure on the government.

    Laurence Fox, Richard Tice, Julia Hartley Brewer, Toby Young......Sneers of derision.......Racists!!!!........Fascists!!!!

    Well who the f8ck else is going to get you your freedom back? Who else is asking the questions you want asked.

    Johnson? Starmer? Cummings? Whitty? Grow up.


    Steve Baker etc are going to put more real pressure on ensuring that we get our freedoms back than any of that insane clown posse.
    A case in point

    Baker is powerless because he is part of the team. A word from the chief whip and he rolls over. And he's swamped by labour MPs anyway.

    IF Tice had taken 500 councillors off the tories in May, we would be exiting on June 21 no danger.

    As it is, too many people believe bullsh*t like this and stay on the reservation/
    Nah. Baker is powerful because he is part of the team. A word to the chief whip, or a threatened letter to the 1922 and Boris has no choice but to sit up and listen.

    Councillors don't mean shit. Especially 3 years before the next election.
    But Philip he has been railing against the principle of the restrictions for some time. The principle, mind, not the reason for their establishment.

    Why now are you rowing in behind him?

    Can you see how the government has now got into the habit of imposing restrictions on us "just in case" or "to be cautious", etc?

    The principle of a government not doing this should have been inviolate from the start but many on here applauded it as though the principle was malleable.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,012
    edited May 2021

    ping said:

    @TOPPING

    On tinnitus - IANAE but I know from personal experience that hearing aids help. Very little else provides any proven benefit. There’s clearly a psychosomatic aspect to it - ENT docs prescribe CBT for the worst cases, which is indicative.

    I think it tends to be harder for people who start experiencing tinnitus in later life. I’ve lived with mine all my life and it doesn’t really bother me. If I let it drive me mad, it would. So I don’t dwell on it.

    I’m sure others on this board have experience, too.

    Sometimes tinnitus has a specific cause and is clearly not psychosomatic. Mine was caused directly by a course of chemotherapy four years ago - a known side effect, leading the consultant to cut the chemo a bit short. It's still there, but like you I've learnt to live with it - when I think about it, it's irritating, but most of the time when busy I just forget it.
    Interesting. Have you been jabbed and were there any changes?

    Edit: please don't tell me if you'd rather not. Trying to conduct a fag packet analysis here and hence probably not worth the effort.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,411
    edited May 2021
    TOPPING said:

    ping said:

    @TOPPING

    On tinnitus - IANAE but I know from personal experience that hearing aids help. Very little else provides any proven benefit. There’s clearly a psychosomatic aspect to it - ENT docs prescribe CBT for the worst cases, which is indicative.

    I think it tends to be harder for people who start experiencing tinnitus in later life. I’ve lived with mine all my life and it doesn’t really bother me. If I let it drive me mad, it would. So I don’t dwell on it.

    I’m sure others on this board have experience, too.

    Sometimes tinnitus has a specific cause and is clearly not psychosomatic. Mine was caused directly by a course of chemotherapy four years ago - a known side effect, leading the consultant to cut the chemo a bit short. It's still there, but like you I've learnt to live with it - when I think about it, it's irritating, but most of the time when busy I just forget it.
    Interesting. Have you been jabbed and were there any changes?

    Edit: please don't tell me if you'd rather not. Trying to conduct a fag packet analysis here and hence probably not worth the effort.
    Yes, twice, and no - tinnitus exactly the same.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,554
    gealbhan said:

    gealbhan said:

    TOPPING said:

    gealbhan said:

    FF43 said:

    dixiedean said:

    There's a perception amongst its opponents that this Government is ideological and very right-wing.

    In fact, the reason it's polling so well is that it's positioned itself slap-bang in the centre of where public opinion is across the country at large.

    That's not the same as the chatterati, but it doesn't make it untrue.

    Excellent post. Very true.

    It’s the most leftwing Tory government since the 1970s, and possibly before.

    I keep repeating this to my chattering class friends!
    Tory is superfluous in that piece.
    The PM reminds me most of Wilson of all his predecessors.
    Master of public persona, political tactics and communication.
    Long term ideas to build a better future?
    Not so much.
    Wilson left almost no legacy except a few catchphrases, an iconic image (the pipe, though apparently he did not much smoke in real life), and an unreformed and latently bankrupt British state.
    Harold Wilson kept Britain out of the Vietnam war when I think most British PMs would have signed up with enthusiasm. Not leaving a legacy is absolutely fine, as he made the right call at the right time.
    Wilson was more than happy to see the whole world turn Communist, and not lift a finger to stop it.
    Yes because the Vietnam war, with its total victory for the US and its allies, kicked the communists out of south east asia decisively.
    You lose some you win some, but surely it can only be historically measured on were you trying to do the right thing?

    Is there no one else on PB who would have supported a British Prime minister standing shoulder to shoulder with their Australian and US counterparts in confronting the insidious communist empire building?
    I most definitely wouldn't. Britain is best off avoiding land wars altogether and limiting our military interventions on land to occasional bombardment from the relative safety of a Dreadnought. This is proven by history time and time again.
    You can understand Australia in fear of communist expansion in Asia, because it’s their backyard, but it’s too far away for us to worry about.
    That’s the death of a free world if you take that sort of lazy and ignorant approach isn’t it?
    Our participation in the World Wars brought Communism into Europe. If we'd taken a lazier and more ignorant approach to the Kaiser in 1914, this might not have happened.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,012

    TOPPING said:

    ping said:

    @TOPPING

    On tinnitus - IANAE but I know from personal experience that hearing aids help. Very little else provides any proven benefit. There’s clearly a psychosomatic aspect to it - ENT docs prescribe CBT for the worst cases, which is indicative.

    I think it tends to be harder for people who start experiencing tinnitus in later life. I’ve lived with mine all my life and it doesn’t really bother me. If I let it drive me mad, it would. So I don’t dwell on it.

    I’m sure others on this board have experience, too.

    Sometimes tinnitus has a specific cause and is clearly not psychosomatic. Mine was caused directly by a course of chemotherapy four years ago - a known side effect, leading the consultant to cut the chemo a bit short. It's still there, but like you I've learnt to live with it - when I think about it, it's irritating, but most of the time when busy I just forget it.
    Interesting. Have you been jabbed and were there any changes?

    Edit: please don't tell me if you'd rather not. Trying to conduct a fag packet analysis here and hence probably not worth the effort.
    Yes, twice, and no - tinnitus exactly the same.
    Thx
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